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Lately leftists online (such as Logo Daedalus) have been speculating about a possible return to 2010s HR individualist managerial political correctness (a.k.a., woke) in light of Trump’s falling popularity polls over the Epstein files and his failure to rebound the US economy as well as his second administration being overall more fascist and extreme than the first one both rhetorically (see the DHS’s Twitter account which seems to be ran by a wignat) and in practice (e.g., expansion of ICE under the current regime).

Maybe this will age like milk, but personally I don’t think the woke will ever come back, primarily due to the fact that it arose during a period in American history that can’t be replicated in the foreseeable future as well as because it got heavily exhausted to its fullest potential by 2024, something else will form instead but I can’t put my fingers on it. Let me elaborate…

Yes, there may be backlash to Trump in the form of:

  • greater tolerance for immigration,

  • renewed talk about abolishing ICE (which isn’t actually necessary for border security and overlaps with existing agencies),

  • less willingness to tolerate soft white nationalism or openly white-nationalist speech now that the Trump project has made its racial character explicit.

But I don’t think that means a return to the specific ideological package of the 2010s.
The elite liberal factions that promoted “wokeness” as a substitute for social democracy feel politically exhausted. Their compromises — with Trumpism, with Zionism, with capital more broadly — are remembered, and they’ve already pivoted to new projects like “abundance,” technocratic managerialism, or vibes-based productivity politics.

We might see a kind of “safe-edgy” social democracy rhetorically, but I don’t think the elite will allow anything that seriously threatens capital or entrenched interests. So whatever comes next is unlikely to be fully institutional or top-down. If anything, it’ll be more grassroots — and may spill into a harder, older form of class politics once people realise triangulation won’t be permitted to go very far.

Historically, this actually reminds me of Reconstruction and the post-Reconstruction US. Open and legally encoded white supremacy wasn’t just a bottom-up backlash — it was an elite project. And I don’t think today’s elites are going back to the post-1960s model of tightly policing racist expression at their level, even if they still condemn it rhetorically.
I was telling a friend: basically everything liberals tried to suppress the rise of reaction — platform bans, censorship, cancellations — failed. So now what? You can’t really “solve” this without something like outright repression. Gulags to defend the liberal order? Not exactly practical or appealing. Yes, you can cite J.S. Mill or Popper about being “illiberal to protect liberalism,” but it’s unclear anyone will buy it, or that liberal elites are willing to spend the political capital and legitimacy required.

So instead, I think we get something closer to the Latin American model:
Official color-blindness, loud condemnation of racism in theory, combined with deeply racialised everyday life. Elites live in segregated neighbourhoods while preaching anti-racism to foreigners; normies are often quietly or openly racist; everyone pretends this isn’t contradictory.

Israel is (or was) a version of this too. Some limited tolerance for non-Jewish citizens or guest workers, while brutally repressing Palestinians who aren’t citizens (which is most of them). Now that Israel has more openly defined itself as an ethnic state where democracy is secondary, you can see what looks like social cannibalism: racism turning inward, targeting different kinds of Jews and non-Palestinian gentiles.
There are already extreme examples — like reports where Thai migrant farm workers described near-universal sexual abuse, or polling showing majorities supporting stripping non-Jewish citizens of citizenship and deporting them. There’s no real way to spin that into anything other than ethnic cleansing, or at least mass support for it.

Whether Israel could actually carry that project through is another question, given the manpower gap between its economic needs, military ambitions, and the idea of a “pure” ethnostate. But if things escalated internally, I wouldn’t bet on restraint. History suggests reactionary movements don’t stop at their first target.

Anyway — my point isn’t that “wokeness is coming back,” but that the old ideological containers are broken. What replaces them probably won’t be prettier, more coherent, or more stable. It’ll just be different.

Curious what others think — are we heading into something genuinely new, or just remixing old contradictions under new branding?

P.S.: Yes, Trump’s immigration policies are unpopular: https://www.politico.com/news/2026/04/18/immigration-poll-trump-deportation-campaign-00879549
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>Anti lolicon
Literally not even been on the radar for a decade now. Lolishit ruining anime was 2005-2015, then Isekai took over.
I'm totally for the scourge of lolishit being purged though. The rare good anime that gets put out, often is ruined by the pedoshit in it.
>Anti age gap
Already in full swing as is the result of this wave of self-victimization/infantlization of woke + Zoomers inability to get their head of Junior high.
This is a pretty disturbing trend honestly for the opposite reason, it's the inability of Zoomers to see themselves as adults capable of making their own decisions and being responsible for their own behaviours.
>Anti porn
Nope, even the mods and jannies on this site are Pro-"Sex work" types and swaths of young women do onlyfans as supplemental income and argue it's not exploitative because they make all the money. Neoliberalism self-commodification has already been completely internalized by Zoomers and swaths of millennials.

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>>2795402
Is 3rd world run by woketards?

I'll believe "woke is dead" when people stop getting banned for going against the sacred cows of social liberalism.

>>2795412
Look at any youtube instagram or twitter comment sections. people don't get banned for shit anymore

>>2795406
>on the radar
But it has. Literally every single day on ani Twitter, reddit, youtube, someone is arguing about it.

>>2793580
Less to do with it being "vibes" and more to do with the term being applicable in multiple contexts that are not necessarily compatible. Socialist space wrecking is not Anita Sarkeesian making videos about boobs in video games being bad is not Hollywood diversity casting is not… you get the idea. The Marxist critique however argues that all these different forms and contexts are driven by the same idpol impulse, which is not the same as a unified ideology, anymore than Spanish fascism and Nazism being the same ideology, even though they are driven by the same impulse (the historical function of smashing the working class as a political force).

>>2795353
You are brown and a radfem, you are woke. A very fetid itteration of wokeness.

>>2795401
>Shock horror, they show up in this thread with completely obtuse bad faith takes as to why literal HR Corpo wokeism is actually good
its crazy isnt it
you would expect some self-criticism after how obviously the radlib crap from the 2010's has been a complete disaster for the left, but they think they can do the same shit again and that simply by self-branding as "socialist" now will do the trick

>>2795353
>>2795401
Instead of seething why don't you engage in good faith with my position that wokeness is basically a dispositional phenomenon and that your distaste for woke-types, transgender people, and the average /leftybritpol/ poster is, at its material base, a conflict of personalities. I'm happy to say it is, at its root, why I don't care for you!
You ignored my novel point to focus on repeating things you've said before. Being a high-openness novelty-seeking type, I find that far more triggering than any anti-woke view you could hold, and far far more triggering than the fact you've misrepresented my conclusion.

You could deploy my basic theory to your own ends - go for horseshoe theory and argue that you've got a balanced personality, while both woke-types and rightoids have personality disorders. Argue that the tendency towards higher conscientiousness means that rightoids are more dispositionally suited to the rigors of socialist organizing than libertine woke-types, fudge the numbers on neuroticism to lump in generally-rightoid lumpen with the woke group so we can argue back and forth about the merits of the theory itself, god there's so many things you could do!
But I won't hold my breath. My own theory suggests that you'll just use this as a jumping off point to repeat more things you've already said before, in much the same way as you've already said them before.

>>2795486
The case that it's a complete disaster for the left has not been made. The western left has been failing for decades and patching over the cracks by valorising losers and stealing valor from foreign socialists. At worst you could say it has continued this trend, at best you could say it's at-least started achieving nothing in new ways. (Be that the "moderately" woke Bernie/Corbyn fads which leftypol would love to situate in opposition to wokeness rather than in opposition to rightism, aligned with wokeness, or in the generally rising popularity of socialism and communism and plunging popularity of capitalism… again, overwhelmingly with people who'd slot into the open-minded, agreeable, neurotic archetype.)

>>2792073
>Leftist accounts
>Logo Deadalus
Bro lmao that guy is not a leftist whatsoever (unless you count weird socially conservative guys who think gay people are a psyop but want single payer healthcare as leftist)
and also a MASSIVE faggot

Either way nice post, good question, decent discussion.

>>2795486
>samefaging on leftypol.org in enormous christ is king 2026

>>2795499
He is a leftist just a retarded one

>>2795493
>The case that it's a complete disaster for the left has not been made.
>The western left
the radlib-DNC-approved brand of "leftism" of the 2010's that we are discussing exists outside the west too and it has failed miserably since it has always been neoliberalism with a leftoid face, it just got opportunists in power that make the masses blame "communism" for the anti-working class effects of their politics
I understand your point that radlibs (or a part of them) will be pushed towards actual working class politics out of necessity since the conditions for a compatible left start decaying, I just dont consider this an extension neoliberalism with a leftist face
(to clarify, I dont think the struggles of racial and sexual minorities in general are just neoliberalism, but I do think putting all of those struggles and their achievements of the 20th century on the same bag with the shitshow of the 2010's almost a form of stolen valor, I think what we saw last decade was the co-opting and wrecking of all that)

>>2795563
very well put, anon

>>2795563
The masses don't really blame communism for their woes, certainly not in the west. Rightoids do, sure, but rightoids have always loved that or an adjacent phenomenon. I cannot, off the top of my head, think of any politicians who came to power primarily off the back of "wokeness" and to whom such a backlash could therefore be attributed. This leads me to suspect we're working with different definitions. You should name some names.

(A separate point would be to always consult detailed breakdowns in voter behaviour. The right have won a lot this decade, sure, but it's mostly been against zombie socdems and liberals who were doomed woke or no woke, with the left utterly irrelevant and interesting voter polarisation by age and gender. That's my starting position. In Britain, for example, the left lost mostly thanks to retirees rather than "workers" abandoning Labour.)

>>2795660
There absolutely is a significant segment of boomers that are vehemently anti "woke" in Europe. Orban in Hungary, AfD in Germany, Putin in Russia, etc. owe significant support from these voters. The framing might be different ("they're putting kids on puberty blockers" vs "we must stop the degenerate LGBT from the West") but it is fundamentally the same reactionary fearmongering. Younger people on the other hand aren't as anti "woke" but they can be shockingly "socially conservative" in their own ways, many are altogether lumpenized/rentier class inclined and not interested in politics or otherwise into chauvinist idpol specifically focused on immigration/historical grievances (it actually mirrors Japan from what I know about young people in Japan?) and actually lack interest in American/British internet culture wars. The actual working class save for say France's yellow vests (France has the strongest labor laws in Europe IIRC) is dreadfully atomized and alienated from the going-ons of society.

And yes in Poland, former East Germany, Ukraine, etc. communism is blamed for stagnation and corruption but this predates the "woke" stuff.

I could see dems trying somesort of ᴉuᴉlossnW tier "racism gets in the way of national pride" version of what you describe at 2010s woke, especially considering the fact that they constantly double down on imperialism while being concerned by ethnic sectarianism on the homefront(which I wouldn't be surprised comes from knowledge of how they inflame those conflicts abroad to destabilize countries).

>>2795499
to his credit he is a communist.

>>2795705
do not read this as endorsement for anything he has ever xosted because its almost all retarded except for the occasional lucid cultural observation

>>2795688
Considering how popular conspiracy theories are becoming on the hazbin hotel and left side, I don't think a key feature of 2010's wokeness (That our institutions need to be updated instead of destroyed) will be around, which is why I said that a form of wokeness will be around but not with a lot of it's presumed assumptions. Wokeness back in the obama years was based on the premise of humanity being inherently good while nowadays woke is extremely cynical and nihilistic. I'm not sure how exactly it will manifest but it won't be nearly as nationalistic and CONSIDERABLY more mean than it was back in the day. I can even see libtards fat shaming chuds.

>>2795729
it's going to be anti-social yea.

>>2795733
Honestly I kind of see the "online libtard left" becoming kind of like Kyle Kylenski and as such alpha/zoomer cusper demographic will probably lean more and more away from the right now that they have a generally charismatic male figure that quite frankly is more handsome than the vast majority of online chuds are and kyle has been getting pretty chubby as of late.

>>2795750
Kyle's YouTube channel has been "suppressed" by the algorithm for a long time now, when I still watched him many years ago his subscriber count stayed static, so unless that has changed I don't see him blowing up, man is also just not good at the social media game at all which is a death sentence today.

>>2795757
I don't think that really matters that much actually, a voice can echo through a lot of things. His overall vibe and aesthetic will transcend his algorithmic pull.

>>2795729
almost like french revolution tier "fuck the vendee fuck the peasants fuck the church cult of reason now" liberalism making a comeback?

I don't like liberal idpol, but I am a disabled, working class trans person. I know that most of the issues in my life stem from my social class, but my family cut me off due to me being trans, and it's more difficult to get hired as a disabled trans person than it was in the 2010s.

There's a noticeable difference in the way people treat me. My ex boyfriend started to domestically abuse me. I ended up homeless again cause I had to leave him. Homelessness services refused to help me. I have no friends anymore, offline or online.

I don't know what the solution is, all I can say is that things are worse for me than they've ever been. Barely holding on this year.

>>2795493
>overwhelmingly with people who'd slot into the open-minded, agreeable, neurotic archetype.
So pic related?

The reason the right-wing makes such a big deal over "Wokeness" is because it's literally a imaginary opponent they made up in their heads. They care more about their mythologized version of Trump then realizing the real Trump is a con-man and a fail-son who basically failed upwards.

It's also has to do with why the right-wing loves AI slop so much.

t.vid related.

>>2796388
And why do Iran and China love "AI slop", o enlightened disciple of Saint Max?

>>2796386
I don't know how you associate reddit mods with agreeable and open-minded

>Woke won’t come back
fuck that we need more black and brown trans ceos of color if you disagree youre a nazi chudcel

>>2796597
we need black and brown trans ceos to slide their girlcocks in and out of your mouth

>>2796586
Because they are just as susceptible to being spooked by anti-intellectualism as anyone. Just because they are in a different country doesn't mean they can't be just as gullible or stupid.

And I can tell you didn't watch the video.

>>2796667
Fascism is when anti-intellectualism, AI is anti-intellectual, ergo AI is fascism. Truly profound analysis. Just connect something to fascism and you too can have a Breadtube career.

>>2795729
We already have edgy and cynical woke people, just check snark subreddits, left-leaning parts of 4cuck and ResetEra. Or look up what East Euro libs are up to.

>>2792124
>So you become a socialist or communist
Not really, woke libs turned into Third Worldists and their platform boils down to "KILL WHITEY KKKOLONIZER OOGA BOOGA".

>>2798674
These guys started as socialists not as woke lib. I don't like woke libs but we can't pretend all the intellectual ills of the left comes from them.
2015 Woke Libs became engineers at Raytheon or coders at Palantir and are now posting about how LGBT is EHC in Richard Hananias replies.

>>2798684
The white ones yes, the "ethno nationalist but Poc so it's good" were always libs, for the simple reason they can't fit in with the other reactionaries

>>2796601
>least porn damaged libshit

>>2798684
I don't think you're right about the first part (most of them are un/underemployed losers, just like everyone else) but be honest: are the small subset you refer to wrong about the second part?
(Well: not so much that LGBT people are EHC, more that anti-LGBT people are the opposite of EHC…)

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Woke isn't coming back because it doesn't serve jewish interests any more.

>>2795414
Youtube still censors the word "retard"

>>2798801
Thats pretty funny because it's so easy to fall on actual nazi content.

>>2798829
By actual Nazi you mean 1990s conservative?

>>2798860
low human capital post.

>>2798860
No, the comments in every social media blaming "🧃" for everything including Columbine, Christopher Columbus, Slavery in the US
It's wild some of these people look for jews under their bed before going asleep

>>2798986
So you're telling me the censorship is so bad they need to use emojis to bypass it?

>>2798702
stop resisting my bbç

In the opposite of this I think that anti-woke will be around for quite a while. There is certainly a sort of hyper repetitive content from the right that I simply call the "Chud hole" or ant-lion politics where a deluge of petty grudges such as ugly people in media, general "cringe" from the left and poor translations are constantly dredged up to keep people who buy into that shit in line. I think the increasingly petty nature of the online left might actually be a good way to counter this because simply "going for the nuts" of the online right by just going no u when it comes to calling them ugly retards might actually wake up some people who are kind of chud curious but aren't fully buying into it yet for whatever reason.
Zoomer men in particular are vain as fuck and juts noticing how ugly Asmongold, Heelvsbabyface is even if they point out Agent Kochinski or some online transsexuals is enough to keep them out of the hole I feel.

>Lately leftists online (such as
who cares. grass yourself.


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