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Lately leftists online (such as Logo Daedalus) have been speculating about a possible return to 2010s HR individualist managerial political correctness (a.k.a., woke) in light of Trump’s falling popularity polls over the Epstein files and his failure to rebound the US economy as well as his second administration being overall more fascist and extreme than the first one both rhetorically (see the DHS’s Twitter account which seems to be ran by a wignat) and in practice (e.g., expansion of ICE under the current regime).

Maybe this will age like milk, but personally I don’t think the woke will ever come back, primarily due to the fact that it arose during a period in American history that can’t be replicated in the foreseeable future as well as because it got heavily exhausted to its fullest potential by 2024, something else will form instead but I can’t put my fingers on it. Let me elaborate…

Yes, there may be backlash to Trump in the form of:

  • greater tolerance for immigration,

  • renewed talk about abolishing ICE (which isn’t actually necessary for border security and overlaps with existing agencies),

  • less willingness to tolerate soft white nationalism or openly white-nationalist speech now that the Trump project has made its racial character explicit.

But I don’t think that means a return to the specific ideological package of the 2010s.
The elite liberal factions that promoted “wokeness” as a substitute for social democracy feel politically exhausted. Their compromises — with Trumpism, with Zionism, with capital more broadly — are remembered, and they’ve already pivoted to new projects like “abundance,” technocratic managerialism, or vibes-based productivity politics.

We might see a kind of “safe-edgy” social democracy rhetorically, but I don’t think the elite will allow anything that seriously threatens capital or entrenched interests. So whatever comes next is unlikely to be fully institutional or top-down. If anything, it’ll be more grassroots — and may spill into a harder, older form of class politics once people realise triangulation won’t be permitted to go very far.

Historically, this actually reminds me of Reconstruction and the post-Reconstruction US. Open and legally encoded white supremacy wasn’t just a bottom-up backlash — it was an elite project. And I don’t think today’s elites are going back to the post-1960s model of tightly policing racist expression at their level, even if they still condemn it rhetorically.
I was telling a friend: basically everything liberals tried to suppress the rise of reaction — platform bans, censorship, cancellations — failed. So now what? You can’t really “solve” this without something like outright repression. Gulags to defend the liberal order? Not exactly practical or appealing. Yes, you can cite J.S. Mill or Popper about being “illiberal to protect liberalism,” but it’s unclear anyone will buy it, or that liberal elites are willing to spend the political capital and legitimacy required.

So instead, I think we get something closer to the Latin American model:
Official color-blindness, loud condemnation of racism in theory, combined with deeply racialised everyday life. Elites live in segregated neighbourhoods while preaching anti-racism to foreigners; normies are often quietly or openly racist; everyone pretends this isn’t contradictory.

Israel is (or was) a version of this too. Some limited tolerance for non-Jewish citizens or guest workers, while brutally repressing Palestinians who aren’t citizens (which is most of them). Now that Israel has more openly defined itself as an ethnic state where democracy is secondary, you can see what looks like social cannibalism: racism turning inward, targeting different kinds of Jews and non-Palestinian gentiles.
There are already extreme examples — like reports where Thai migrant farm workers described near-universal sexual abuse, or polling showing majorities supporting stripping non-Jewish citizens of citizenship and deporting them. There’s no real way to spin that into anything other than ethnic cleansing, or at least mass support for it.

Whether Israel could actually carry that project through is another question, given the manpower gap between its economic needs, military ambitions, and the idea of a “pure” ethnostate. But if things escalated internally, I wouldn’t bet on restraint. History suggests reactionary movements don’t stop at their first target.

Anyway — my point isn’t that “wokeness is coming back,” but that the old ideological containers are broken. What replaces them probably won’t be prettier, more coherent, or more stable. It’ll just be different.

Curious what others think — are we heading into something genuinely new, or just remixing old contradictions under new branding?

P.S.: Yes, Trump’s immigration policies are unpopular: https://www.politico.com/news/2026/04/18/immigration-poll-trump-deportation-campaign-00879549

>>2792073
>So instead, I think we get something closer to the Latin American model:
>Official color-blindness, loud condemnation of racism in theory, combined with deeply racialised everyday life.
This is just a repackaged 1990s and 2000s. It ended up imploding into the 2010s and 2020s. The "Latin American" model was tried and failed already. The next model is going to be some weird hybrid but it won't be the Latin model nor Woke completely

>>2792073
>This is just a repackaged 1990s and 2000s. It ended up imploding into the 2010s and 2020s.
That implosion was caused by Obama taking the wrong side of every racial conflict america had during his presidency more than anything else

But i guess if one guys actions can torpedo the idea then it probably wasn't going to live for too long anyway.

Woke is back baby

>We might see a kind of “safe-edgy” social democracy rhetorically, but I don’t think the elite will allow anything that seriously threatens capital or entrenched interests
Are you implying "woke" was doing this? Because in practice it was just radfem bullshit mixed with insane resentful narcissist brown rambling directed at Da Uhwhite Man, all of it got sublated into Fruit Loop Say BLM.
Woke litteraly collapsed upon itself because they couldnt decide if trans people counted as piece of shit privileged white men or be counted as oppressed minority.
Lolgo is an idiot however.

>>2792073
Trump is going to become a toxic brand at the end of his term and the next republican try to turn into a more serious ideological version of trumpism, less populist.
You're going to see a rise of nonwoke environmental class based populism because the USA will start to really see the consequences of climate change, and because oil prices will have exploded, without an actual leading ideological figure, right-wing democrats will align themselves with the rebranded republicans who will use the Trump precedent in order to put in place an actual dictatorship to crack down on the left opposition.
Woke is going to be associated with Trump's era, but he'll be remembered a lot more then woke ever will be.

>>2792097
you're a rube if you fall for the radfem posturing and superficial "LGB" aesthetic of TERFist astroturf orgs. some TERFs are radfems, sure (that's what gave us the nice acronym!), but the center of gravity of TERFism is middle aged conservative women, not feminists. there's a reason Mumsnet is one of the TERFiest websites around and TERF policies are legislated by socially conservative administrations - and it's not because they've all sat down and read Janice Raymond!

>>2792097
Woke failed because it concentrated on the smallest of minorities and taking the most maximalist of positions, you can't have a strong popular movement based on making people call non-binary people "they/them" when people struggle economically.

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recently i read a substack article called "the genealogy of woke" which covers the history of wokeness, 2010s wokeness is not a new phenomenon, in fact bursts of wokeness have happened before in the past. the late 80s and early 90s, the 60s, and the 20s.

2010s wokeness started because of the 2008 crash, which led to occupy wall street, which failed, and morphed into what we now call woke.

Woke even existed in the pre modern era. except it was by evangelical christians instead of a political thing, the temperance movement, abolition, all christian wokeness

wokeness is a mode of thinking that is as american as apple pie.

the real problem with wokeness is that it never accomplishes anything because it is symbolic, not action oriented, and always, always leads to a reaction. woke people do not improve material conditions or workers rights, they tear down statues and rename schools.


in the 60s the wokeness led to nixon winning by a landslide, 2010s wokeness of course led to trump. this is the real reason woke is stupid, but i think its part of american lefts DNA, it has to be beat out of them or something

its long but give it a read, its pretty good

https://1dimereview.substack.com/p/the-genealogy-of-wokeism-part-1


https://1dimereview.substack.com/p/the-evangelical-origins-of-wokeness-239

>>2792111
I admit that I didn’t read past the introduction, but given how reactionaries like the Irish uberboyo have commented on early Christianity being the Roman empire’s equivalent of wokeness, I think this is the key issues with such analyses:

They tend to forge an ideological construct of wokeness as a consistent phenomenon, forgetting both its transformation from a slogan in the American liberal progressive movement rooted in Ebonics to an American right-wing online pejorative, as well as its origins in the postmodernism movement.

Every attempt to map a genealogy of wokeness into history ends up being just an ideological and selective reading from the author’s point that is no different from either ideological Whig history or nationalistic readings.

So I’m sceptical about the Substack pieces that you linked.

>>2792105
This assumes that wokeness started with demands and worked towards becoming a "thing". Allow me to put the opposite case:
The internet makes politics increasingly a personality game. If you're agreeable, neurotic, and open-minded, you will become woke. Whatever real world privations face you aren't as important as the neuroticism: that tells you something is wrong. Even under actually-existing communism, it will tell you something is wrong. So you go looking for the wrong thing, and what fits? Well, some other trait of yours that society discriminates against, obviously. That's where you get into social justice one way or another. It's not wrong to say that society is badly constructed, but you've found a structural cause to a personal problem, which is relaxing.
The maximalist positions then flow from trying to solve the problem, but if the problem was really solved a new problem would show up. Nevertheless, we've got a name for this iterative process of finding and fixing problems: progress!

This phenomenon is also great for the left because ultimately, whether you're trying to explain why girlboss feminism didn't make you feel good, or trying to explain why society is actively getting worse for some groups, the answer conveniently leads back to a higher power. what higher power draws these things together? the economic base - capitalism! So you become a socialist or communist (Yahoo! What a hundred years of useless left organizers couldn't achieve, Tumblr and Twitter delivered from on-high. Material conditions, baby!)

There is a very, very, very strong correlation between wanting to help those struggling economically and wanting to respect pronouns. The stereotypical HR lib came and went because capitalist firms initially thought they could co-opt and accommodate the string of demands and differentiate their brands (if politics is an identity product, identity products must become political!) only for them to later realize that the demands are never-ending, so now they're trying the stick instead of the carrot. but you can't do that - Trump isn't going to beat society back to the 1990s, he's just selling a much uglier version of politics to people with asshole personalities: low agreeableness, low openness, notably lower neuroticism in aggregate (your confident karens etc) but with some very neurotic individuals of a different type.
The same process again! You're not open minded enough to realize why you, a straight white man with lots of prejudices, feel bad… You're not agreeable enough to smile and nod through the liberal rituals… but you feel terrible because you're neurotic… Why? Well, the Jews, the WEF, the democrats, feminists, transgender people… They did this to you! Kill everyone who isn't you and the pain will stop! (The pain will not stop.)

The beauty of this theory is it also explains the "woke right" (e.g. the current conservative backlash deploys exactly the same tactics as the "woke left"), because the beginning and the end of the phenomenon is a vibe instead of a policy platform.

>>2792111
I will admit to having not yet read, but I will put something of a case what you say: You end with Nixon winning in the 1960s, but most of the cultural demands of 1960s liberals and hippies were met. In the UK there's a similar phenomenon in the 1980s: the left lost every single economic battle, but won almost every cultural battle. In such a light, it would seem premature to write off wokeness or to view it as a total failure. Nixon's victory couldn't stop abortion or drug culture, let alone the march to gay acceptance and gay marriage, why should we think Trump's victory will be any more enduring?

The religious connection is a fun one, though: Politics has taken on many of the former functions of religion. It gives you a morality to live by, a community you can trust and distrust, taboos, rituals, a fantastical better life to dream of, and all without any of that old supernatural nonsense.

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Both “woke” and libertarian-safe edgy culture were downstream of campus environments at top universities, that’s where the pundits, writers and major media figures largely came from. It required an incredibly stable America and broader Western world to exist, without that stability it collapses almost immediately. The article >>2792111 touches on this, but it doesn’t go far enough. cause I’d argue that woke culture didn’t really ebb and flow or come in bursts, Instead it was a byproduct of the post–WW2 liberal world landscape. Even the neoconservative and libertarian elements of the right, despite their pretensions still followed fundamental liberal values and upheld them, either knowingly or unconsciously.

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>>2792125
If you look up the "most racist films or comedies, you'll find that many of the creators were politically liberal who were pushing the boundaries of comedy. Western conservatives as a group, while having their own issues, more often than not did not intend to offend. I recall a comedian who once compared feminists to 'Church ladies we used to make fun of.' Interestingly many of the people who created crass and edgy series like The Man Show and Tosh.0 are now vocal supporters of 'woke' rhetoric, which many people seem to dislike. I don't see this as a contradiction at all, it’s the same type of humor, but now focused exclusively on what are deemed 'oppressor groups.'"
Fundamentally, the man's show brand of masculinity is no different from who we would call "soyboys" today, The difference is just a minor variation in rhetoric and how they frame themselve.

>>2792124
you ignore the part where i say that wokeness doesnt accomplish anything beyond the symbolic, thats why it is a cancer.

thats why it isnt communism.

>>2792134
the fact you can kiss a guy in public without being lamped or jailed would suggest it has accomplished more than a symbolic victory.
wokeness doesn't have to be communist to achieve the goals it sets itself. that woke has trended towards setting themselves the goal of communism is a good sign!
if you ask me whether i want the last 100 years of western communists (achievements: zilch) pushing communism, or the guys who made it so even republicans pose as pro-gay to be the ones pushing communism, there's no contest in who i'd pick. though both have an uphill job ahead of them.

>>2792138

im sure it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy and correct

but woke people are moral police concerned with symbolic and cultural victories, not class.

>>2792140
Woke is a post-modernist term at this point. It doesn't mean anything in 2026

>>2792138
There were plenty of communists involved in struggling for gay rights/civil rights/etc, check yourself

>>2792145
A wishy washy statement that means nothing. You don't even have the guts to imply their support was decisive. Instead of a real reckoning with their inability to organise effectively as communists, you scramble for something else to defend those who failed on their own terms.

>>2792138
Socialism in America and the rest of the western world really did get a facelift by progressives adopting it, to an extent. But at the same time, the limits of progressivism make it a hollow socialism, bereft of the critique of political economy that makes it make sense, filled in with cultural signifiers and geopolitical alignment. I'm not going to claim that this is its limit, or that I think being able to have a conversation about it is bad. But there's certainly a contradiction there and a choice to be made between it remaining a signifier or something more than that.

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>>2792103
Radfems that arent transphobic are contemptible people with a stupid ideology just like transphobic radfems, the controlling crones you described are the telos of radical feminism if anything.
>>2792105
"POCs" arent "the smallest of minorities" by definition and were the forefront of Woke so you are incorrect. Trans related topics were a later arrival into wokeness that was controvertial within wokeness itself because of their proximity to white malehood. Fundational Woke was mainly metoo and buzzfeed radical feminism with ascending brown middle class ethnonarcissism, skewing more Asian and Indian than African-American this time around.
Prior to that transgender topics were a Silicon Valley libertarian thing and a policy wonk liberal establishment thing examplified w/ the Virginia trans bathroom debate that had chad normie Roy Cooper stepping in, it only became part of Woke around 2018 or so, and always had a precarious position within the movement.
I remember some old blogpost by Yarvin where he proposed some e-famous trans woman programer at the time to be the techno-priest Brahman of the incoming Yarvinian Regime, Nick Land was pro-trans before he became a lobotomized MAGAboomer, different times.
>>2792124
Good posts.
>>2792138
I agree. Honestly the cementing of homosexuals as Humans was one of the great victory of woke, sadly it came at the coast of casting transsexuals into the thunder dome in order to sanewash gay rights, faustian bargain and all that. Though they will make it but i can get why some of them felt abandonned fencing for themselves by the progressives, since they pretty much were rugpulled.

the Stop Asian Hate movement collapsing when it was revealed the asian bashings in the USA were overwhelmingly being done by random black people kinda killed wokeism and i don't think it will ever recover from it.

A whole anti-racism movement being stopped in its tracks because the perpetrators were on a higher oppression ladder than the victims made a lot of people stop and think "wtf are we doing here???"

Actually that was North Carolina, not Virginia.

>>2792159
Stop Asian Hate was retarded ethnonarcissism stuff to begin with like most of what came from Woke. I am thankful of based antisocial black lumpen for ending it if true.
But in reality it was just the trans debate that imploded woke not black on asian crime. Reactionary think-tanks and billionaires were pretty open about going all in on trans culture war to kill woke because they noticed the radfem and browns hated trans, even Trump, someone who was pro-trans in a normie cosmopolite way alluded to it in his speeches.
The most good willed and late arrival into woke got hit the hardest while it's most fetid subhuman elements got off scot-free and even rebranded as conservagolem influencers for their BRAVE opposition to TRANS.

>>2792140
They have put themselves in a position where the next sphere of symbolic, cultural victory is class. Woke young people have a more accurate model of the western working class (themselves! Blue haired baristas!) than the average leftypol poster (invariably pining for a guy who looks and sounds like a prole from 50 years ago, but is actually petit bourgeois, because such a figure is much less alienating than the actually existing proletariat)

The moral police deciding that capitalism is immoral and socialism is moral is a good thing. It does not guarantee the final victory of communism, but it's progress! It's something a competent left could work with!

>>2792073
It's insane how no one called you out as a bot. Clanker. Rule of 3gger.

Wokeness was the fat funny caterpillar. What's already here to an extent is the butterfly. Vocal opposition to the ruling class among a majority of the youth on almost every policy. Class-based politics. The destruction of the idea of the middle class. That's the stuff. Doesn't mean anything will actually happen though.

>>2792165
I don't think the average leftycel thinks workers are only bearded dudes with wrenches. That's more of a Hazite mental illness

I can't wait for the new compatible-left psyop that will allow leftoids to guilt trip and scold people for not wanting to vote for neolibs that are against their economic interests

>>2792124
I think your first point about politics becoming more about personality then ideas is true, especially in the context of the culture war.
I however, disagree with the idea that this has been beneficial for socialist or communist causes.
While there is a correlation between the woke type and a vague idea of supporting the working class, it's purely lip service.
And I disagree that the conclusion wokism leads to the idea of capitalism being bad, this again is often lip service, but as woke types have no coherent ideology, they cannot explain what the post-capitalism world will look like. And in terms of actions this doesn't corresponds either, the cancelling of random working class men for odd behavior is a good exemple of it, you cannot call yourself in favor of the working class while supporting the weakening of labor laws to fire people you dislike.
They're also inherently exclusive toward white men, see the usage of the term privileged, stripped of its actual class based definition, for them a homeless white man is privileged and a rich black woman is oppressed.
>>2792158
It wasn't the best exemple, but wokeness tended to shrink in favor of smaller and smaller groups by an intersectional view. Goes from Black people, to black women to black trans women and so on and on. I think the clearest exemple of that is the new versions of the Pride flag they keep making. You often see rethoric about how black men are the white people of black people. Or the whole 'latinx' drama.

>But I don’t think that means a return to the specific ideological package of the 2010s.
That's because it never existed back then. Reactionary content farms made up a imaginary version of the left to be mad at.

The closest approximation to the retvrn to woke is the death of search engines and centralized social media, which will make access to content farms difficult and unlikely to happen incidentally.

>>2792181
>You often see rethoric about how black men are the white people of black people. Or the whole 'latinx' drama.
That's twitter. Your sole evidence that woke ever existed is twitter, and your interpretations of vexilology.

>>2792181
Your view of woke types seems very dated. The non-demand of today is to organise, mutual aid, all that stuff. Cancellation is almost exclusively used to refer, negatively, to circular firing squads within a group, and "privilege" is all but gone. If anyone ever thought white homeless men were privileged, those days are long gone. Again: it's not a fixed set of ideas, it's a disposition grasping for ideas to explain underlying feelings.

>>2792111
>Woke even existed in the pre modern era. except it was by evangelical christians instead of a political thing, the temperance movement, abolition, all christian wokeness … wokeness is a mode of thinking that is as american as apple pie.
Haven't read the article (but might check it out) and I agree with this. It's a secularized version of something which goes back to before the country was founded. Harvard was once a religious school founded by people who wanted a government of the godly and they could also define what that was.

>the real problem with wokeness is that it never accomplishes anything because it is symbolic, not action oriented, and always, always leads to a reaction.
Or value driven. It does accomplish some things though, it's quite longstanding and many of their goals have been implemented, it's just that what they want to accomplish and what radicals are after are often different things, and it's very rare that the progressives accomplish things on their own initiative without the support of others of different goals involved.

>>2792124
>The religious connection is a fun one, though: Politics has taken on many of the former functions of religion. It gives you a morality to live by, a community you can trust and distrust, taboos, rituals, a fantastical better life to dream of, and all without any of that old supernatural nonsense.
Will recommend the article "Progressively Losing" by Richard Kline. Written in 2011. He traces Anglo-American progressivism back to English reform communities and contrasts that with radicalism.

<Anglo-American ‘progressivism’ has its origins in Non-Conformist religious reform communities. These date to Lollard times in England c. 1400, before the US was settled, and always had a significant social reformist element beyond within a professed Christian carapace, as it were. Literacy, education, personal liberty, and economic liberalism are all embedded in this worldview, formed as it was between the contesting pressures of a rapacious, French-speaking aristocracy and a crypto-absolutist monarchy with scant regard for the rule of law, while a venal and irreligious church hierarchy provided no relief. England from c. 1350-1500 was a place of intense factions and irruptions of civil war, leaving a distaste for power-seekers and military rebellion. Few of them were rich; it was a proto-bourgeois and petite bourgeois community, but with religious congregants in the lesser nobility giving them communication with power. The suffered erratic but at times severe religious persecution prior to c. 1600, and political disenfranchisement even after that, which much shaped their negative view of state power. There is much more to this subject, which demands a text no one has yet written. This is a social tradition are both fairly well-defined and quite longstanding.

<The first key point is that the tradition of progressive dissent is integrally a religious one. The goal isn’t usually power but ‘truth;’ that those in the right stand up for what is right, and those in the wrong repent. The City on the Hill and all that, but that is the intrinsic value. This is a tradition of ideas, many of them good, many of them implemented—by others, a point to which I’ll return.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/09/richard-kline-progressively-losing.html

What is this utter fucking garbage, some of you are incapable of thinking

>>2792194
>The first key point is that the tradition of progressive dissent is integrally a religious one. The goal isn’t usually power but ‘truth;’ that those in the right stand up for what is right, and those in the wrong repent. The City on the Hill and all that, but that is the intrinsic value. This is a tradition of ideas, many of them good, many of them implemented—by others, a point to which I’ll return.

This is such horseshit that you've linked it's beyond belief.

>>2792191
Go look at any DSA conferance and you'll see exacky what I'm talking about.
>>2792193
I've interacted with woke people in my life, they're like that (well with French equivalence) some even tried to cancel me irl, didn't work out tho. But good enough if things are changing in America, but thats most likely because their previous tactics failed.

>>2792196
Well that's just like your opinion, man

What do the middle class yuppie academic types push in semi-failed states where everyone is poor and gang violence is common? Crass materialism? That's our future when people can't read or regulate their emotions or solve problems without teacher's help.

>>2792258
idk, reopen the schools?

what you're talking about isn't "woke culture" it's just rainbow capitalism, for a brief period between trump 1.0 and trump 2.0 the corporate world thought trumpism was over for good and tried to rebrand themselves as leftist allies, then came trump 2.0 and they slammed on the brakes and backpedaled, but this was all just optics, the actual ideology of the ruling class technocracy was never "woke" it was always far-right dark enlightenment nihilism.

>>2792073
Woke never left. The 2010s sucked balls. We are not liberals.

A return of “safe-edgy”? “Color blindness”? No, you are simply outdated. While you’re here thinking regression, dark woke is already sharpening their pikes.

>>2792269
>sharpening their pikes
to defend the honor of madame president AOC on xitter?

>>2792270
No actually. They are all in process of rejecting the entire system. The current rules of the world are preventing them from receiving what they need, so now they will seek to make new ones instead. Some are already fully aware, some are not, but most of them will arrive at the same destination.

>>2792273
Dead by the hands of the inevitable military coup

>>2792274
There will not be a military coup. It’s already tearing itself apart. And even if it did, the military does not have the best track record either.

>>2792273
sounds like a lib/socdem to freikorp pipeline

>>2792276
The military tearing itself apart is part of what will cause the coup, especially with deranged schizophrenic civilians being unqualified and unable to make any decisions because of the 200 year old constitution. It will be a civil war between the branches of the military depending on what side of the coup they find themselves on.

>>2792278
No point in a freikorp when the communist threat doesn’t exist

>>2792278
It shouldn’t, because that’s something else. Something that’s already getting fucked over.
>>2792279
>The military tearing itself apart is part of what will cause the coup
Them tearing themselves apart is what makes the coup impossible. They would not have the strength to be anything more than a local menace at best.
>especially with deranged schizophrenic civilians being unqualified and unable to make any decisions because of the 200 year old constitution
I am noticing a higher than expected estimation of the military’s capabilities. I would suggest more realistic.
>It will be a civil war between the branches of the military
Again with the expectations. Be more realistic.

>>2792099
We all know the next GOP ticket:Tucker/Owens.

>>2792288
>Something that’s already getting fucked over
what is it?

>>2792288
Rivalries between military branches can be much easier contained and cause less gridlock than the two parties trying to outretard each other, the coup is inevitable, a reactionary Carnation revolution.

>>2792298
They'll probably try JD vance first, but lose to the dems, and afterwards they'll put in Tucker in my opinion, Anti-Trump Maga will be the next big thing. More likely to actually succed in making a dictatorship and more likely to have an actual coherent vision of things.

>>2792299
ICE. The Police. Petite bourgeoisie hate groups.
>>2792303
>Rivalries between military branches can be much easier contained
Very debatable, and regardless it won’t be contained.
>cause less gridlock than the two parties trying to outretard each other
Much of the military is still loyal to the two parties, and will continue to follow their orders. Even when they become too unbearable, many simply become lost rather than rebellious.
>the coup is inevitable
The coup never had a chance to begin with. A chance that has only decreased even more due to the current administration’s actions. As I said earlier, they will splinter into groups, and that will be that for the military.

>>2792073
Idk what you're on about OP. Wokness had total victory, even the right are all gay and multicultural now. Someone else said it in the thread but sometimes after nixion the left stopped being able to effect the economic structure and increasingly devoted more to cultural victories. This is for a variety of reason, the democrats going along with McCarthysim, the failures of the new left to capture or create a party outside the democrats. Outsourcing killing unions, the collapse of the soviet union ect ect. But the ruling class is increasingly running out of distractions and scapegoat. As another anon said the HR wokness of the 2010s was not only a backlash to the George Bush era. Where you had to pray to the flag 5 times a day and bless the troops. There was also the 2008 crisis and capital was trying to co-opt and divide the left. I hope you're right that we won't see that again but dont be surprised if they try the ol' cultural switcho with another Obama type figure leading the charge.

logo is an idiot.

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>>2792125
>>2792073
Almost everyone in this picture has since become a liberal, with one big exception. That’s what I’m getting at, ‘woke’ is dead but so is safe edgy.

>>2792352
There is no pendulum swing, that’s not how political progress works. When people say ‘woke is dead,’ what they really mean is objective diffrent, no one is talking about things like CRT or masks anymore. People just don’t seem to care about it now. Even many young feminists, who once tried to create made up terms they thought wouldn’t offend anyone to callout are now openly using slurs against people they dislike without worrying about who it offends.

>>2792610
God I haven't thought about a good number of these since I was a teenage chud. Is metokur in the ground yet?

>>2792613
still doing streams and like I said he's a liberal now, most of them are

>>2792073
— why is everyone responding to a fucking chatgpt post?

>>2792616
Dunno

>>2792073
>Lately leftists online
No real life workers care about what happens online

>>2792073
>Logo Daedalus
This clown thought MAGA Communism was gonna be the biggest thing. He's just an adjacent ACP mouthpiece.

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>>2792073
The trouble is that woke isn't actually a cultural victory approach. Woke is far more puritan than "After the Ball" which is a real Madison Avenue attempt at social engineering and seizing power.

The future is wokeness + Richard Hanania's elite human capital theory.

Anti-wokes are by and large low autism score, with a handful of smarter people who - because they have to play to a dumb audience - become dumber themselves. (Look at Elon Musk - always a dickhead, but now retarded to boot!)
Wokeness cuts against openly recognising this fact as of yet, but it has much to commend. There is no stronger argument against white nationalism than 15 minutes looking at the bottom dwellers (of all races, amusingly enough) who put their self worth in it.

woke 2.0 is going to be anti-porn, anti-lolicon, and anti-age gap. It's going to suck. Ironically Logo is a part of this with his often contradictory melding of Hudson, Marxism (but really Veblen), and Christianity.

>>2793052
>The future is wokeness + Richard Hanania's elite human capital theory.
Probably the most likely outcome. Palantir is basically this and so are all the weapon contractors like Raytheon/lockheed. LGBT will probably soften the angles with much less public display of anal fisting parades and drag queen story hour type stunt this time around (not a bad thing) in order to look less degen and more profesional and managerial. Pretty much all non-provincial queers today have ditched lefty-queer sensibilities to adopt cosmopolitan striver mentality and instagram FYP Top Gun looksmaxxing aesthetic.
Reminder that Alex Karp was huge Kamala bidder in 2024, they will reward him and his people in the next dem admin for this.
>>2793469
lolgo is a gigantic aging normalfag millenial whose wet dreams are about putting the uppity progressive youth in their place but with based orthobro CCP majik instead of fashwave christpilled majik. All he want his old alt-right friend to think he's cool and cultured by picking on leftists. Just an awful guy all around.
He became completely unsufferable ever since he had a child. I know fatherhood can change a man but i did not become like this when i had kids.

>>2793488
hes still so mad that kantbot told him off lmao

>>2792611
I never said there was a pendulum swing. Not the point of my post. My point is that absent any ability to organize on economics. The American left became solely about maintaining whatever was left of the new deal and advancing social justice. They won on the culture front while the right has consolidated state power. The right has tried reversing the social gains and freedoms and have seen limited success. But they still have solidified in creating a reactionary culture that has lasting cultural or social impact.

>>2792073
I thought woke was gays in movies and blacks on tv

>>2793535
Like what? Stop vagueposting

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Almost every single piece of discourse involving "wokeness" is completely detached from material reality. There's almost never substantive examples in these discussions, or even policies. Of all the political hot topics it's easily the most vibes-based and the most beholden to propaganda. So many words dedicated to nothing really. I have to wonder if it's because identity itself is vibes-based so when people are engaged in these discussions it's inherently about their internal identity rather than what's going on in the real world. It's an entire field of projection basically.
It doesn't help that this site's userbase in particular was raised on 2010s/20s 4chan astroturfing, and many to this day refuse to acknowledge that they were brainwashed.

>>2793580
Thoughts on >>2792124 ?

>>2793590
your melties over jewGODs will never amount to anything


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