The goal of Mahayana Buddhism is to become a Bodhisattva, an enlightened being who takes a vow to not enter Nirvana until they've achieved the liberation of a certain class, sometimes all classes, of sentient things.
There are many Mahayanists who are Marxists, Tenzin Gyatso included (although he's a filthy leftcom). There are also many Marxists who are Mahayanists. Engaged Buddhism is a thing, as well as humanistic and secular Buddhism.
Ceterum te certiorem facere debeo: qui procedet, in Terra Pura renascetur! Qui recedet, in inferno ardebit! Gloria Buddhae Amitābhae!
Furthermore, I must inform you, he who advances will be reborn in the Pure Land! He who retreats will burn in hell! Glory to the Amitabha Buddha!
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Spotted the wrecker here.
>>2794365
Karl Marx was funded by the exploitation of hundreds of workers, supported by his good industrialist friend, Friedrich Engels. What else is new?
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The only valid meditation is revolutionary praxis, and unfortunately that is correlated with a reduced life expectancy and a greater chance of incarceration.
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Theres a gazillion of different types and schools of buddhism and as another anon said buddhism itself is western orientalist terminology made in an attempt to make sense of something too different from our understanding of spiritual practice.
Buddhism served its purpose in the same way the Protestant work ethic filled its purpose - indoctrinate slaves for labor with the promise of rewards after death and the theory that they are currently in purgatory and need to work everyday to ascend.
It is a slave theology.
>>2794397Okay and there’s a billion christian denominations
>>2794400Most of them agree on the same shit, buddhist schools on the other hand are sometimes so massively different they might as well be entirely different religions with some of them even having original scripture.
>>2794399None of that is true about buddhism
>>2794404Ask the slaves in Tibet losing limbs for showing up to the slave farm 5 minutes late
>>2794405Tibetan buddhism is its own kind.
>>2794410Its also were the central figure of Buddhism originates from, you cant ignore that there pope ran away from Tibet because the Chinese came to take his slaves away.
>>2794413the dalai lama is just a head of tibetan buddhism, not all of buddhism tho ppl might generally treat him with respect from other traditions .. i mean the pope is not the central figure of christianity either there are plenty of sects that dont see him as their leader
>>2794413i might have thought that the central figure might have been Siddhartha Gautama
>>2794473>>2794455>>2794484I concede he isnt the central but he is the most famous.
>>2794413But which buddhism?
"Adam smith is the central figure in christianity"
Buddhism is so comically flexible we could just pick up some dharmas, a meditative practice or two then write our own scripture and make leftypol buddhism.
>>2794486>but he is the most famousIn Thailand, Japan, Myanmar, or even China?
I do not think so.
>>2794494Wouldn't that be fun though?
>>2794509It would and also im not kidding, it can be done.
>>2794510He who does praxis will be reborn in the pure land! He who posts on leftypol will burn in hell! Glory to Amitabha Buddha!
I'd rather be reborn as a deva tbh but I'm too much of a pothead to get anything better than hungry ghost
>>2794521Do shikantaza. Its very pothead-friendly methinks.
>>2794521I want to be reborn on a different planet this ones too tiring
>>2794489Tibetan, il agree with the criticisms pointed out here and go learn more about this, I appreciate most of my knowledge on this is either reading random shit about Jainism or about Tibet in relation to reading around the history of China.
>>2794539Don't Mormons believe trve believers get their own planet they can be God of after death?
That said I don't think a Mormon liberation theology would work.
>>2794544Yeah ive heard as much, they also believe in infinite expansion - its also the religion Mr Beast was raised in and he has said he believes in this before, the uberman who infinity replicates his celebtity across all of space and time with infinite wealth.
Its capitalist delirium.
oh hey i was actually thinking of this metaphysical principle which i feel has been very much lacking in spirituality and that is the fact that karma has a collective subsistence which we all participate in. this is due to interpenetrating not-self reality aka the "acausal". because of this, different modes of production incur varying degrees of karma which effects us all collectively
furthermore, as an aeonic materialist i view world ages as material affairs. my original motivation for developing aeonmat came from the very basic observation that intensive forms of spiritual praxis such as going on meditation retreats have very real material requirements that would be greatly benefitted from by the reduction of the working day and extended time leave at the very least. it follows that in a mature socialistic society, conditions would be much more ideal for the reaching of nibbana as well as various other spiritual attainments
https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/phil/terseaeonmat.html>>2792540i respect soka gakai a lot for this reason. ikeda had a vision of buddhism that also crossed into politics towards a socialistic direction. he had to back down though due to separation of church and state controversy but i think there was something commendable there even if sgi is a cult. also anime
>>2794494there should be a scripture about a buddha who lead a peasant revolution before being killed. all leftists should become as disciplined as the warrior monks of yesteryear if they want to bring change! agios o amitabha buddha!
So, let me tell you all about Qu Qiubai.
He was one of the leaders of the Communist Party of China back in the day, but he started out as a Yogacara Mahayanist, and died in a sense as a Yogacara Mahayanist.
Here's the story of Qu Qiubai's death.
When Mao and the 8th Route Army broke out of Jiangxi, Qu was among the people who were elected to be left behind, in part because Qu had lifelong tuberculosis and was dying anyways. He was almost immediately captured by the KMT, who, seeing him as a soft intellectual, tried to get him to recant and defect to the government forces.
He refused for months, and eventually the execution order came down. On his way to the burial ground, he sung Russian folk songs, the Internationale in both Russian and Chinese (he was its translator, when you sing "the Internationale must be realized", you are singing his words), and then sit down and refused to budge, in the lotus position, telling his executioners "This place's good" in Classical Chinese.
So, Qu Qiubai was executed on a place known before and since as Arhat Ridge. I am not kidding.
https://peopleshistoryofideas.com/episode-58-the-tender-hearted-communist-qu-qiubai/https://www.marxists.org/chinese/quqiubai/mia-chinese-qqb-193505.htm ←- translate this out, you can read it as his final self-criticism before his death
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/regional/2013-05/07/content_16483208.htmhttps://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202111/28/WS61a2be90a310cdd39bc77ecb.htmlApparently jannies got pissed off at the prospect of us founding our own religion / liberation theology.
based, fuck theravadins
Considering that the CPC does have Mahayana memes (Qu Qiubai, the constant idealist contamination in CPC leadership), the Chicoms are way more competent at running syncretism toward Mahayana.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_ShambhalaBump?
I took a look at the Lotus Sutra recently, and holy fucking shit. The entire holy book is absolutely fucking ridiculous. I mean, dealing with Buddhist theologians, the stuff can make some sense, but the holy texts? Ahahahaha.
All the cosmologies and all the scriptures are pointing towards the void. All that exists is, matter is, thought is, life is, all is void, all is form. The living instant is where buddha is, life detached and flowing is buddhahood.
All things thus are capable of buddhahood, to enter, detached, into life with the void-form.
The capitalist world we live in is constructed around a vast array of attachments and snares that reproduce themselves, the heart-mind is derailed, the void-form obscured or supplanted.
Communism is the clearing of the way, the basis for the unshackling of the heart-mind, the Gattungswesen. It is under communism where the void-form can be freely discovered by the masses.
Class society breeds delusion, desire, ignorance, hatred.
Thus revolutionary action is upaya, skillfull means. The revolutionary must be as the Mahakala, free of resentment and attachment, attacking the stubborn delusions with as much force as is nessecary.
>>2802233Communism is just the deepening of illusion; the demand for "real happiness". No society can be enlightened, which is why the enlightened depart from society.
>>2802246 >Communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality will have to adjust itself. We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things. The conditions of this movement result from the premises now in existence.The unhaunted revolutionary movement propelled by its historical-material conditions is an expression of the bodhisattva path. Communism is not the conjuring of
real. happiness, it is the conduit through which Dharma may flow, not Dharma itself. Society cannot be enlightened, no, but society may enlighten.
>>2802256Dharma is just a term which describes class society and class duty
Communism is about abolishing the dharma
>>2802278I think you'll find that Dharma has many meanings depending on who you ask. Here it is understood as the teachings of elightenment and and their application towards enlightenment. Dharma, as understood by the Bolshisattva, is the sign and the path along which enlightenment is found.
>>2803402it says that but they did show a willingness to cooperate with the japanese socialist party and japanese communist party at times as talked about in this article:
<https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000567916.pdfwith that said they are pretty liberal all things considered. i can respect them emphasizing some of socialist elements of buddhism but they do not go far enough. i am guessing this is because their socialistic emphasis comes excessively from right-conduct. i agree with this anon
>>2802233 that class society itself produces delusiveness. in commodity fetishism there is the reification of value, obscuring its emptiness. we must have a society that lives according to the realization that the division of labour is not-self. it is the only way! thank you for pointing this out to me though anon i will bring up into critique
it seems as though daisaku ikeda also did an interview with gorbachev. a big topic even in discussion with marx is the issue of humanism. he does not agree with the militant atheist tendency amongst many marxists and he seems to be averse to violent revolution. i can agree with the former, but the latter demonstrates a failure of insight into the workings of revolution. indeed, such happenings do not come about by human choice. they come when the wheel of ages has reached its apex. hic rosa hic salta!
Props to all anons who've devised Parivartanayāna Buddhism. Great job on our new libtheo!
i don't want perfection or enlightnment.
i dont want eternal stagnation and the slow death of eternal peaceful bliss.
fuck it. i'm a human. and that means i want push back against the hopeless, meaninglessness nature of reality even though i know i won't win, just because i can try to.
that means i want to suffer and die. because i am a human being and that's what we do.
i want to live in the shit because the alternative is effectively living like some kind of plant life. nirvana is like becoming a tree. unthinking. uncaring. and you will NOT turn me into a damn tree.
persue your own enlightenment if you want but to me it is another hell, one somehow miraculosly even worse than this one.
if you've ever seen the anime texhnolyze i think it has a good metaphor for buddhism.
the surface dwellers are effectively those who have achieved enlightenment. waiting for the slow death and extinction without any real thoughts or feelings about it.
it's better to go out in a bang.
that in essense is my core issue with buddhism.
>>2804498>i don't want perfection or enlightnment. You are closer to it than those who do.
You seem to think that enlightenment is only sitting in an infinite room of blackness, maybe harkening back to the practice of meditation with your eyes closed. That is not the doctrine of our Parivartanayāna teaching. The revolution-vehicle is a vehicle, not an idle prop. It is defined by its capacity for or state of motion.
We are not talking about no-mind, your "unthinking" as stupidity or lacking intelligence, it is not catching the mind on any particular thing, letting it flow freely. That is non-attachment. It is not non-interaction or not-caring, it is boundless compassion that is not hindered by any obstacle.
What you are describing is infinitely closer, only that where you do not want infinite life, you
want suffering and death. Perhaps you are attached to suffering and death, perhaps
want is not the right term. Regardless, it is in living, in wading through the shit, that enlightenment is found, discovered, realized. Not the shit, not the
you, but the wading. Realize the mutual emptiness in both you and the shit, that the supposedly meaningless reality you push back against is embodied equally in you as you are in it, mutual expressions of void-form.
You are already walk the path, unmarked and unrecognized, but under your feet regardless. You talk about going out with a bang but you must realize that in living so fully, you already are so bright and luminous. Perhaps you cannot yet see it, but you were and are Buddha.
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