Is maoism completely dead? The CCP doesnt follow it and has practically disavowed it.
Modern maoism only exists online and is entirely composed of just resentful thirdworlders and non-white ethnonationalists with teenage revenge fantasies.
China wasn't Moaist, that was Marxist Leninism Mao Ze Dong thought, Maoism comes from Peru and the Shining Path.
>>2796166Eh call it what you want its dead and irrelevant anyway
>>2796168CPP NPA and CPI (Maoist) are on the backfoot and have been for a long time but they still very much exist, they have a whole theory about it called Strategic defense.
>>2796175>a whole theory about it called Strategic defenseOh is that what they call losing lol
>>2796178Sorry but im not a maoist.
>>2796180Im not a maoist i dont need to
>>2796164Mao wasn't a theoretician, he was an organizer.
>Modern maoism only exists online
I'm not a maoist but this is blatantly false. Up until some years ago nearly all the parties involved in armed struggle were Maoist
W larps + some smart things but there's not much use
>>2796164The main maoist nepalese party became social-democrat. The philippine and india's maoist insurgency are on the brink of collapse. The Shining Path is dead. The social movements in the 70s are also dead.
There's just not that much left, which is too bad because the theory was interesting;
>more general interpretation of contradictions than purely focused on those found within the capitalist mode of production>efficient/proven form of revolutionnary struggle>Relevant analysis on bureaucracy in socialist attempts, and on third-world peripheriesThe main problem is that, like most other marxists revolution, Mao thought that the economic model in the USSR was efficient, when it was terrible for underdeveloped semi-feudal gigantic third-world countries. The party tried to adapt this by being more loose in their planning (quantities could be somewhat adjusted and the local branch of the party had more freedom in determining production) and by instating the commune's system, but it failed to produce to meaningful results after the failure of the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution (which ironically ended up pushing the bureaucracy into capitalism as a mean to safeguard their interest)
>>2796215The situation has changed quite a bit and there's not that many marxists armed insurgencies irl
>>2796389what the fuck are you talking about ? I'm not a dengist and the decline of maoist insurgencies has indeed declined, as recognized by those same parties themselves
>>2796390>How can the US empire both be in declineThis should be taken with a grain of salt. Yes, the USA is not as strong as it was in the 1990s/early 2000s, but it's still the overwhelming center of power in the West.
>a China be on the riseHurray ! More class collaboration to build and safeguard the national interest !
>yet the situation for revolutionary leadership and war around the world not be approaching? - No global movement
- The "proletariat" is now divided within multiple groups and subgroups each containing their own self-interest. The time of the industrial unionized proletariat is somewhat over.
- The USSR lost the cold war, which deligitimized all of the communist parties worldwide and spread the seed for new """radical""" social-democrat parties to grow (see Syriza, LFI, Podemos, Bernie etc)
>>2796390We are rapidly approaching the end times of the capitalist system. The more evidence I see, the more I am convinced it's over this century. But China has nothing to do with that, it's a bourgeois state like any other at the present moment. Now we just have to wait and see if the workers take a revolutionary course of action or society collapses completely
>>2796390The 'rise and fall of empires' does not determine the class struggle.
Deindustrialization and capital mobility make traditional organizing and party-building particularly difficult. Bourgeois civil society has had a century to accommodate and defuse revolutionary sentiment among workers, and is largely successful. That being said, there have been massive waves of working-class protests across the world over the past 10 years. The alienated synthetic left just hates and ignores this because the workers won't join their microsects and are opposing their favorite anti-imperialist bourgeois dictatorships.
>>2796164>The CCP doesnt follow it and has practically disavowed it.They didn't, it's just result of Mao's new democracy.
>Modern maoism only exists online and is entirely composed of just resentful thirdworlders andActually Maoism is pretty active I guess, it's just recent years where most of their insurgent groups has fallen
>non-white ethnonationalists with teenage revenge fantasies.Maoism was always third-world nationalistic ideology which didn't change.
not sure how maoism can even exist without peasants
ITT: Whitey whines about "resentful thirdworlders"
Can't make this shit up.
>>2796166This is incorrect. The Communist Party of China was the first to recognize the experience of the Cultural Revolution and Mao Zedong Thought as having produced a new and higher stage of Marxism:
>Chairman Mao has integrated the universal truth of Marxism-Leninism with the concrete practice of revolution, has inherited, defended and developed Marxism-Leninism in the political, military, economic, cultural, philosophical and other spheres, and has brought Marxism-Leninism to a higher and completely new stage. Mao Tsetung Thought is Marxism-Leninism of the era in which imperialism is heading for total collapse and socialism is advancing to world-wide victory.https://www.marxists.org/subject/china/documents/cpc/9th_congress_report.htmThis would be reversed in
Resolution on Certain Questions in the History of Our Party since the Founding of the People's Republic of China published in 1981 after the rise of Deng Xiaoping, which condemns Mao's initiation of the cultural revolution, his support for the "Gang of Four", and redefines Mao Zedong Thought as:
>The Chinese Communists, with Comrade Mao Zedong as their chief- representative, made a theoretical synthesis of China’s unique experience in its protracted revolution in accordance with the basic principles of Marxism-Leninism. This synthesis constituted a scientific system of guidelines befitting China’s conditions, and it is this synthesis which is Mao Zedong Thought, the product of the integration of the universal principles of Marxism-Leninism with the concrete practice of the Chinese revolution…. Mao Zedong Thought is Marxism-Leninism applied and developed in China; it constitutes a correct theory, a body of correct principles and a summary of the experiences that have been confirmed in the practice of the Chinese revolution, a crystallization of the collective wisdom of the Chinese Communist Party.https://www.marxists.org/subject/china/documents/cpc/history/01.htmThis reframing of Mao Zedong Thought, alongside the re-phrasing from "Marxism-Leninism-Mao Zedong Thought" to "Marxism-Leninism
and Mao Zedong Thought", rejected the understanding of it as a new and higher stage of Marxism, and delinked what was left from Mao himself. Suddenly, it was possible for Mao himself to deviate from Mao Zedong Thought, which no longer denoted universal principles and methods synthesized by Mao but a localized expression of Marxism-Leninism defined and redefined by the Party itself.
This was recognized by the communists of Peru and Gonzalo himself, a recognition that sadly hasn't continued since Comrade Gonzalo's capture and death.
Basically, 99% of "Maoists" haven't read "On Practice" and "On Contradiction", and just want to cargo cult adventurism instead of fucking looking for the unity of theory and practice.
Deng Xiaoping was a fucking Maoist or more properly an adherent of Mao Zedong Thought.
The CR was Praxis. Deng and the bureaucracy just saw it didn't work, and reverted what didn't and kept what did.
>>2796630Oh look heres the first resentful thirdie/non-white ethnonationalist.
>>2796685Socialism-communism isn't a religion, stop acting like it's a religion or something, Deng was right and a pragmatic.
>>2796794The proposition is ahistorical, idealist, and reeks of the liberal bourgeoisie's inability to comprehend the dialectic of national liberation. To reduce the history of Maoism to a "personality cult" is to mistake the surface appearance (the veneration of a revolutionary leader by the masses who liberated themselves) for the essence (the concrete application of Marxism–Leninism to the semi‑feudal, semi‑colonial conditions of China). The Maoist era was not a cult of personality of nationalism. It was an era of expelled imperialism and laid the material foundation for anti-colonialism / anti settler colonialism becoming the leftist standard of today. The "third world nationalism" epithet is a slur deployed by the imperial core to dismiss any anti‑imperialist struggle that refuses to bow to the will of western forces who attack sovereignty
The claim that Maoism "is probably never coming back" confuses the contingency of historical conjunctures with the permanence of contradictions. The conditions that produced Maoism semi‑colonial exploitation, feudal remnants, the necessity of agrarian revolution have not vanished from the globe; they have merely shifted. The oppressed nations of the Global South, including the Black and Indigenous internal colonies of the settler state, continue to face the same essential contradiction, imperialism and its comprador allies. As long as that contradiction exists, the strategic lessons of Maoism will be found in the voices and praxis of today's left.
The dialectical unity of revolutionary currents Maoist, nihilist, anarcho communist insurrectionist, is not an eclectic pastiche but a materialist synthesis. Each contains partial truths to be found. Maoism teaches protracted struggle and mass line; nihilism strips away bourgeois spooks, and passivity, and encourages negation of anti-materialism; anarchism hones the art of autonomous action. People like us do not discard these lessons; we absorb, refine, and apply them according to the concrete conditions of the moments in places and time we find ourselves in. A true revolutionary does not fetishize labels but seizes what is useful, discards what is weak, and forges a living weapon in their mind.That the mainstream western left has abandoned all revolutionary thought for electoral tailism and NGO careerism is not evidence of Maoism's irrelevance. It is evidence of the Western left's own petite‑bourgeois degeneration, their outdated organizational flaws, and the shifting material conditions of the global working class, and bourgeois.
>Is maoism completely dead?
Yes, and it should be. Outside of Africa there are no longer are any countries where it would be applicable.
>>2796164maoism is from latin america
>>2796166correct
>>2796168read this thread since you didn't know the diff:
>>>/leftypol/2767836 >>2796938>The "third world nationalism" epithet is a slur deployed by the imperial core to dismiss any anti‑imperialist struggle that refuses to bow to the will of western forces who attack sovereigntyExcept when it's an accurate critique of the limitations of inherently succdem left-nationalist opportunism which more often than not serves the interests of the national bourgeoisie and petty bourgeois clans while throwing the proles and lumpens under the bus.
>>2797122It was popular mostly among Western leftists and the diaspora who criticized the USSR for not engaging in a suicidal war against the US and accused them of being imperialist.
I lived in China for a few years and I can confirm it’s completely dead. Even in Chinese left-wing circles, the most popular thinkers are Bukharin and Engels. No one hates Mao in China he’s considered essential to win the civil war, but that’s about it. More respected as a military leader then a thinker.
>>2796166thats MLM retard thats different from maoism wich was the result of the sino-soviet split
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