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>>2802841>iraqi leftcomsi really wish the communist party of iraq would just grow a fucking spine already all those uyghas do is sit and get cucked by the shit political system
>>2803118That's communists in every country everywhere, unless of course they're actually in charge like Vietnam or China, in which case they're actually red fash fake communist revisionists and betrayers of the revolution.
I'm assuming the communists in your country are based and actually doing something by your metrics?
>>2803137Then stop complaining and do something?
>>2803146thats what im mad about, them uyghas do nothing. they are a nothing burger
>>2803159Iraq has the most objective revolutionary conditions
>>2796910 (besides Iran) and possibly the worst subjective factor
My hope is a revolution in Iran will help Iraqi workers organize themselves
>>2803198The Iranian proletariat is x10 more organized than the 'western' proletariat and x100 as feisty
It's no wonder western imperialists and islamists are always united in crushing it. If bourgeois revolutions were possible in the third world so will proletariat ones. All what's missing is the formal class party.
>>2803118That's why the Hekmatists in Iraq are better (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker-communist_Party_of_Iraq)
Also start talking about Turkish politics retards.
>>2803228Hekmatist practice all things they criticize the ICP for
If you read their program it's literally just the gotha program
I concede that they're internationalists and might build the infrastructure for future Iraqi-Iranian-Kurdish joint class struggle
Sorry afandi but you've contributed to this
I am Greek but I really choose to ignore Greek Turkish relations. So I am clueless. If you asked me I would love Erdo to invade so that at least we get rid of the people in power now. What is something bad that Greece is doing or has done that you genuinely believe is bad.
The Islamic NATO thing is going to blow up if it ever gets off the ground
>>2826124Here is hoping for another Baghdad pact 🙏🙏 (that Baghdad was the first to leave after revolution lol)
>>2826149Definitely Turkey. It is by far the most proletarianized.
>>2826396What's going to happen next in Turkish politics? Casual observation makes me think that the nullification ruling has majorly backfired, but having said that it's notable it only backfired when it was the CHP, nobody seemingly cared about the years of trustee appointing.
Even though it's not lookin good for watermelons it seems to me it hasn't looked good for him before and you can seemingly never underestimate the Turkish deep-state, maybe another bombing, another coup, and everything is back to 'normal' for Erdo and The Watermelons.
>>2826530In my opinion, this will be Erdoğan’s last year in power. His own party has started to fracture due to the current state of the economy. Previously, the main motivation for party members was climbing to higher positions within the government; however, they have now started fighting among themselves because there are no resources left to distribute to loyalists, nor any state assets left to sell to Western and Arabic companies. Almost every government property has already been privatized and sold off to the bourgeoisie.
Historically, his greatest weapon for maintaining power has been religion, given that a significant percentage of Türkiye's population is religious. However, an empty stomach is proving to be more powerful than ideology right now.
>>2834262>they have now started fighting among themselves because there are no resources left to distribute to loyalists, nor any state assets left to sell to Western and Arabic companies. Almost every government property has already been privatized and sold off to the bourgeoisie.
Didn't their total victory in Syria bring in fresh loot for the patronage networks? This is the assumption i was working off of.
>>2834265The "victories" in Syria did not represent a true victory or gain for the government of the Republic of Turkey. Instead, they secured public approval through perception management and displays of triumph. There is a significant number of refugees in Turkey, and most of them have received citizenship; the majority of those who arrived were anti-Assad Islamists (sharia-supporters). Since most of those who fled were Islamists, every citizenship granted naturally translated into a vote for Erdoğan.
Another outcome was that the newly established Syrian regime's oppression and fascistic actions against the Rojava region and the Kurdish people enabled this move by Erdoğan to gain approval from the segment we in Turkey refer to as the "secular nationalist, Kemalist" bourgeoisie. Consequently, the establishment of a sharia state failed to draw their attention. Apart from that, the economic gains mostly flowed to America in the region. The anti-Assad Free Syrian Army received most of its weapons support from Turkey and America, and as a result, the remaining oil resources and strategic areas fell into American hands. However, as I mentioned at the beginning, economic tension overshadows most of these factors. The impoverished working class is now pushed to prioritize feeding themselves over any other ideological differences.
The primary and current fear of myself and my fellow socialist comrades is an impending leftist purge. Before every election, Erdoğan has pointed to a target to declare himself a national hero. In 2016, it was FETÖ—a group he was previously associated with—whose former cult members attempted a coup after falling out with him. Later, it was the CHP; he set up a purge of members of the largest opposition party—either by fabricating allegations or leveraging actual offenses that he himself was also guilty of—thereby positioning himself as a hero and entering the elections with confidence.
We suspect he might use the same move to break the worker movements, which have happily been on the rise recently. A pre-existing hatred of socialism already exists within the opposition faction and the Kemalist bourgeoisie. There is a possibility that he could exploit this, scratch the "terrorist, traitor" stigma that has been stuck to us for years, bring it back to the agenda, and declare himself a hero once again through a leftist purge.
>>2834855Thanks for your thoughtful responses, comrade.
Hows the peace process with Qandil looking from your perspective? Is the Kurdish freedom movement effectively building and sustaining the necessary bridges within the youth, womens and workers movements? What is the view on the street from the normal person, and what is the view from your more politically active lefty person?
>We suspect he might use the same move to break the worker movements, which have happily been on the rise recently. A pre-existing hatred of socialism already exists within the opposition faction and the Kemalist bourgeoisie. There is a possibility that he could exploit this, scratch the "terrorist, traitor" stigma that has been stuck to us for years, bring it back to the agenda, and declare himself a hero once again through a leftist purge.That sadly sounds completely plausible to me. :(. How does the workers movement look at the moment? could you give us non turks a picture?
>The primary and current fear of myself and my fellow socialist comrades is an impending leftist purge.If it gets too bad you can always go to the mountains i suppose!
My metric to know if the Turk I'm talking to is a genuine Marxist or a leftard idealist is to see if they have collective guilt and support Kurdish mini hilters (ie PKK, Rojova) as a result
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>>2834886>My metric to know if the Turk I'm talking to is a genuine Marxist or a leftard idealist is to see if they have collective guilt and support Kurdish mini hilters (ie PKK, Rojova) as a result >OrgOkay, but why are you telling us this? This is not your blog. You must be confused. /leftypol/ is not a micro-blogging service.
>>2834887To help other Marxists identify hopeless libs
>>2834262>His own party has started to fracture due to the current state of the economy. what's wrong for the economy? seems turkey has really become an economic juggernaut in the eastern mediterranean/balkan region and is the only MENA country that can boast an actually complex economy
>>2834855>and most of them have received citizenshipthat's not true
>>2834886> Here another point deserves attention: The partitioning of Kurdistan in violation of its right to self-determination is certainly a historical injustice…< Those who applaud the barbarous suppression of the Kurdish rebellions by the Turkish state and the subsequent mass-scale massacres as a “progressive,” “revolutionary” movement directed against feudalism are incorrigible nationalists on behalf of the oppressor nation. Such people choose to overlook the fact that the new Turkish state not only attacked the feudal Kurdish beys but also savagely attacked all the Kurdish people, including women and children. Such people forget that, while carrying out these massacres, the new Turkish state was actually quite friendly with the feudal beys, who did not oppose it, and it implemented a policy of strengthening and supporting them. Such people choose to overlook the extremely important difference between the factors compelling the Kurdish peasants to rebel and those compelling the Kurdish feudal beys to rebel.> There are also so-called communists who attempt to defend the national oppression policy of the Turkish ruling classes, claiming that British imperialism was behind the Sheik Said rebellion. Here we shall not discuss whether British imperialism was behind it or not. We shall discuss whether the policy of national oppression could be supported on the basis of such a claim. Let us assume that British imperialism had a hand in the Sheik Said rebellion. Under such circumstances, what should have been the stand of the communist movement? First, it should have been to oppose the Turkish ruling classes’ suppression of the Kurdish national movement by force, to wage an active struggle against this, and to demand that the Kurdish nation itself decide whether to form its own state. In practice this would have meant that there should have been a general plebiscite in the Kurdish region, without interference from outside, and that in this or some similar fashion the Kurdish nation itself should have determined whether to secede. The communist movement would have struggled first for the withdrawal of all military units that were sent to suppress the Kurdish movement, for preventing any interference whatsoever, for the self-determination of the Kurdish nation; and it would have vigorously fought against the Turkish ruling class, going among the masses to expose its policy of suppression, oppression and intervention. Secondly, it would have also exposed to the masses the British imperialists’ policy of pitting nationalities against one another and the damage this inflicts on the labouring people of all nationalities and on their unity, and it would have vigorously fought against British imperialism’s policy of interference in internal affairs. Thirdly, it would have evaluated the secession of the Kurdish nation “on the basis of the interests of the proletariat’s class struggle for social development and for socialism as a whole,” and reached a conclusion on whether to actually support secession. Had it considered secession beneficial to the interests of the proletariat, it would have conducted propaganda for this end among the Kurdish workers and peasants; and the Kurdish communists especially would have carried out propaganda among their own people for unity, struggling against the attempts to subordinate the fight against national oppression to the strengthening of the mullahs, the beys, etc.https://www.marxists.org/archive/kaypakkaya/works/1972-kurdi.htm >>2834907Excuse my ignorance but hasn't it been in a bit of a tailspin since 2018?
>>2834912I don't think genociding Kurds is historically progressive. The Völkerabfälle shit is retarded or obsolete at best. However Kurdistan is already a de facto state and it's suppressing its workers so much that they rather abolish federalism and return under the central government in the case of Iraq.
Just one more ethnostate and class distinctions will be abolished bro
Members of ESP and SGDF were detained.As part of an investigation launched by the Diyarbakır Chief Public Prosecutor's Office, five members of the Socialist Party of the Oppressed (ESP) and the Federation of Socialist Youth Associations (SGDF) were taken into custody.
Those detained in different cities are: Fethiye Ok, Soner Çiçek, Bensu Özkan, Poyraz Aksu, and Rümeysa Batıran.
In a statement released via social media, ESP stated, “The political crackdown against revolutionary socialists continues. Revolutionary socialist struggle is not a crime. Long live our organized struggle! This blockade will be lifted, freedom will prevail!”
https://anfenglishmobile.com/guncel/amed-de-5-esp-ve-sgdf-li-gozaltina-alindi-229780 >>2838056This happens very often unfortunately. ESP and ESP members are constantly getting raided, arrested, followed around and harrassed by undercover pigs, etc.
>>2802838Doner. Perhaps the greatest invention of turks.
>>2802838Raki (I’m an alcoholic)
>>2802985kendi ulkeleri disinda her yerde protesto yapiyorlar hahahs
>>2802838fasulye is the working mans choice (i have nothing to my name please give me money the beans are coming out of my nose and ears already)
>>2844243Kendi ülkemizde de protestolar var kıçını kaldırıp bişeylere katıl çok sinirine dokunduysa
>>2844346From what I remember it collapsed or at least a portion of the PKK decided not to give up their guns.
Either way, individualist terror tactics and staying away from the working class to organize in the mountains is retarded. Foco theory and its consequences have been a disaster for the communist movement in Turkey.
>>2844388>From what I remember it collapsed or at least a portion of the PKK decided not to give up their guns.No, i'm asking about the current ongoing one, not the past ones.
>Either way, individualist terror tactics and staying away from the working class to organize in the mountains is retarded. Foco theory and its consequences have been a disaster for the communist movement in Turkey.Respectfully that's such a pants on head retarded take i don't even really understand how you got there.
>>2844334geziden sonra adam akilli protesto yapilamiyor niye katilayim
>>2845192Daha geçen ülke geneli eğitim sen yürüyüşleri yapıldı temmuzda Ankara için çağrılar var natoya karşı. Arayana bol kavga bitmez.
>>2802838ayran – the true aryan choice
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