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Genel Türkiye siyaseti ile ilgili konuşun!

Li ser siyaseta giştî ya Tirkiyê biaxive!

Şıma qısey bıkı Poliya Turika!

Yurtişi siyaseti p'ara yoxaleps!

تحدثوا عن السياسة العامة في تركيا!

What's the best Turkish dish?

Turkish, Iranian, Iraqi and Kurdish leftcoms will lead the next international revolution
trust

Love our Turkish Comrades.


>>2802841
>iraqi leftcoms
i really wish the communist party of iraq would just grow a fucking spine already all those uyghas do is sit and get cucked by the shit political system

>>2803118
That's communists in every country everywhere, unless of course they're actually in charge like Vietnam or China, in which case they're actually red fash fake communist revisionists and betrayers of the revolution.
I'm assuming the communists in your country are based and actually doing something by your metrics?

>>2803124
uygha im iraqi

>>2803137
Then stop complaining and do something?

>>2803146
thats what im mad about, them uyghas do nothing. they are a nothing burger

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>>2803118
>the "communist" party of iraq
كيك وشربت

>>2803153
this is trve

>>2803159
Iraq has the most objective revolutionary conditions >>2796910 (besides Iran) and possibly the worst subjective factor

My hope is a revolution in Iran will help Iraqi workers organize themselves

>>2803184
idk maybe living in this shit country doomerpilled me but it just seems that the west would never allow a revolution in a third world country, the liberal west must fall for a revolution to happen

>>2803198
The Iranian proletariat is x10 more organized than the 'western' proletariat and x100 as feisty

It's no wonder western imperialists and islamists are always united in crushing it. If bourgeois revolutions were possible in the third world so will proletariat ones. All what's missing is the formal class party.

>>2803118
That's why the Hekmatists in Iraq are better (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker-communist_Party_of_Iraq)

Also start talking about Turkish politics retards.

>>2803228
Hekmatist practice all things they criticize the ICP for

If you read their program it's literally just the gotha program

I concede that they're internationalists and might build the infrastructure for future Iraqi-Iranian-Kurdish joint class struggle

Sorry afandi but you've contributed to this

Why is Turkey so nationalistic?

I am Greek but I really choose to ignore Greek Turkish relations. So I am clueless. If you asked me I would love Erdo to invade so that at least we get rid of the people in power now. What is something bad that Greece is doing or has done that you genuinely believe is bad.

>>2803264
Liberalism


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Organize in kaldıraç!!!!
To other comrades, there is a international page in kaldıraç magazines website. They doing a pretty good job making marxist perspective on current Media.

The Islamic NATO thing is going to blow up if it ever gets off the ground

>>2826124
Here is hoping for another Baghdad pact 🙏🙏 (that Baghdad was the first to leave after revolution lol)

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>>2826142
Feel like shit etc etc, between Saudi, Watermelon Man, and the Pakistanis which do you think is leaving first? I could see the ISI losing to the Taliban


>>2826149
Definitely Turkey. It is by far the most proletarianized.

>>2826396
What's going to happen next in Turkish politics? Casual observation makes me think that the nullification ruling has majorly backfired, but having said that it's notable it only backfired when it was the CHP, nobody seemingly cared about the years of trustee appointing.
Even though it's not lookin good for watermelons it seems to me it hasn't looked good for him before and you can seemingly never underestimate the Turkish deep-state, maybe another bombing, another coup, and everything is back to 'normal' for Erdo and The Watermelons.

>>2826530
In my opinion, this will be Erdoğan’s last year in power. His own party has started to fracture due to the current state of the economy. Previously, the main motivation for party members was climbing to higher positions within the government; however, they have now started fighting among themselves because there are no resources left to distribute to loyalists, nor any state assets left to sell to Western and Arabic companies. Almost every government property has already been privatized and sold off to the bourgeoisie.
Historically, his greatest weapon for maintaining power has been religion, given that a significant percentage of Türkiye's population is religious. However, an empty stomach is proving to be more powerful than ideology right now.

>>2834262>they have now started fighting among themselves because there are no resources left to distribute to loyalists, nor any state assets left to sell to Western and Arabic companies. Almost every government property has already been privatized and sold off to the bourgeoisie.
Didn't their total victory in Syria bring in fresh loot for the patronage networks? This is the assumption i was working off of.

>>2834265
The "victories" in Syria did not represent a true victory or gain for the government of the Republic of Turkey. Instead, they secured public approval through perception management and displays of triumph. There is a significant number of refugees in Turkey, and most of them have received citizenship; the majority of those who arrived were anti-Assad Islamists (sharia-supporters). Since most of those who fled were Islamists, every citizenship granted naturally translated into a vote for Erdoğan.
Another outcome was that the newly established Syrian regime's oppression and fascistic actions against the Rojava region and the Kurdish people enabled this move by Erdoğan to gain approval from the segment we in Turkey refer to as the "secular nationalist, Kemalist" bourgeoisie. Consequently, the establishment of a sharia state failed to draw their attention. Apart from that, the economic gains mostly flowed to America in the region. The anti-Assad Free Syrian Army received most of its weapons support from Turkey and America, and as a result, the remaining oil resources and strategic areas fell into American hands. However, as I mentioned at the beginning, economic tension overshadows most of these factors. The impoverished working class is now pushed to prioritize feeding themselves over any other ideological differences.
The primary and current fear of myself and my fellow socialist comrades is an impending leftist purge. Before every election, Erdoğan has pointed to a target to declare himself a national hero. In 2016, it was FETÖ—a group he was previously associated with—whose former cult members attempted a coup after falling out with him. Later, it was the CHP; he set up a purge of members of the largest opposition party—either by fabricating allegations or leveraging actual offenses that he himself was also guilty of—thereby positioning himself as a hero and entering the elections with confidence.
We suspect he might use the same move to break the worker movements, which have happily been on the rise recently. A pre-existing hatred of socialism already exists within the opposition faction and the Kemalist bourgeoisie. There is a possibility that he could exploit this, scratch the "terrorist, traitor" stigma that has been stuck to us for years, bring it back to the agenda, and declare himself a hero once again through a leftist purge.

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>>2834855
Thanks for your thoughtful responses, comrade.
Hows the peace process with Qandil looking from your perspective? Is the Kurdish freedom movement effectively building and sustaining the necessary bridges within the youth, womens and workers movements? What is the view on the street from the normal person, and what is the view from your more politically active lefty person?
>We suspect he might use the same move to break the worker movements, which have happily been on the rise recently. A pre-existing hatred of socialism already exists within the opposition faction and the Kemalist bourgeoisie. There is a possibility that he could exploit this, scratch the "terrorist, traitor" stigma that has been stuck to us for years, bring it back to the agenda, and declare himself a hero once again through a leftist purge.
That sadly sounds completely plausible to me. :(. How does the workers movement look at the moment? could you give us non turks a picture?

>The primary and current fear of myself and my fellow socialist comrades is an impending leftist purge.

If it gets too bad you can always go to the mountains i suppose!

My metric to know if the Turk I'm talking to is a genuine Marxist or a leftard idealist is to see if they have collective guilt and support Kurdish mini hilters (ie PKK, Rojova) as a result

Org

>>2834886
>My metric to know if the Turk I'm talking to is a genuine Marxist or a leftard idealist is to see if they have collective guilt and support Kurdish mini hilters (ie PKK, Rojova) as a result
>Org
Okay, but why are you telling us this? This is not your blog. You must be confused. /leftypol/ is not a micro-blogging service.

>>2834887
To help other Marxists identify hopeless libs

>>2834262
>His own party has started to fracture due to the current state of the economy.
what's wrong for the economy? seems turkey has really become an economic juggernaut in the eastern mediterranean/balkan region and is the only MENA country that can boast an actually complex economy

>>2834855
>and most of them have received citizenship
that's not true

>>2834886
> Here another point deserves attention: The partitioning of Kurdistan in violation of its right to self-determination is certainly a historical injustice…
< Those who applaud the barbarous suppression of the Kurdish rebellions by the Turkish state and the subsequent mass-scale massacres as a “progressive,” “revolutionary” movement directed against feudalism are incorrigible nationalists on behalf of the oppressor nation. Such people choose to overlook the fact that the new Turkish state not only attacked the feudal Kurdish beys but also savagely attacked all the Kurdish people, including women and children. Such people forget that, while carrying out these massacres, the new Turkish state was actually quite friendly with the feudal beys, who did not oppose it, and it implemented a policy of strengthening and supporting them. Such people choose to overlook the extremely important difference between the factors compelling the Kurdish peasants to rebel and those compelling the Kurdish feudal beys to rebel.
> There are also so-called communists who attempt to defend the national oppression policy of the Turkish ruling classes, claiming that British imperialism was behind the Sheik Said rebellion. Here we shall not discuss whether British imperialism was behind it or not. We shall discuss whether the policy of national oppression could be supported on the basis of such a claim. Let us assume that British imperialism had a hand in the Sheik Said rebellion. Under such circumstances, what should have been the stand of the communist movement? First, it should have been to oppose the Turkish ruling classes’ suppression of the Kurdish national movement by force, to wage an active struggle against this, and to demand that the Kurdish nation itself decide whether to form its own state. In practice this would have meant that there should have been a general plebiscite in the Kurdish region, without interference from outside, and that in this or some similar fashion the Kurdish nation itself should have determined whether to secede. The communist movement would have struggled first for the withdrawal of all military units that were sent to suppress the Kurdish movement, for preventing any interference whatsoever, for the self-determination of the Kurdish nation; and it would have vigorously fought against the Turkish ruling class, going among the masses to expose its policy of suppression, oppression and intervention. Secondly, it would have also exposed to the masses the British imperialists’ policy of pitting nationalities against one another and the damage this inflicts on the labouring people of all nationalities and on their unity, and it would have vigorously fought against British imperialism’s policy of interference in internal affairs. Thirdly, it would have evaluated the secession of the Kurdish nation “on the basis of the interests of the proletariat’s class struggle for social development and for socialism as a whole,” and reached a conclusion on whether to actually support secession. Had it considered secession beneficial to the interests of the proletariat, it would have conducted propaganda for this end among the Kurdish workers and peasants; and the Kurdish communists especially would have carried out propaganda among their own people for unity, struggling against the attempts to subordinate the fight against national oppression to the strengthening of the mullahs, the beys, etc.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/kaypakkaya/works/1972-kurdi.htm

>>2834907
Excuse my ignorance but hasn't it been in a bit of a tailspin since 2018?

>>2834912
I don't think genociding Kurds is historically progressive. The Völkerabfälle shit is retarded or obsolete at best. However Kurdistan is already a de facto state and it's suppressing its workers so much that they rather abolish federalism and return under the central government in the case of Iraq.

Just one more ethnostate and class distinctions will be abolished bro

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Members of ESP and SGDF were detained.
As part of an investigation launched by the Diyarbakır Chief Public Prosecutor's Office, five members of the Socialist Party of the Oppressed (ESP) and the Federation of Socialist Youth Associations (SGDF) were taken into custody.

Those detained in different cities are: Fethiye Ok, Soner Çiçek, Bensu Özkan, Poyraz Aksu, and Rümeysa Batıran.

In a statement released via social media, ESP stated, “The political crackdown against revolutionary socialists continues. Revolutionary socialist struggle is not a crime. Long live our organized struggle! This blockade will be lifted, freedom will prevail!”
https://anfenglishmobile.com/guncel/amed-de-5-esp-ve-sgdf-li-gozaltina-alindi-229780

>>2838056
This happens very often unfortunately. ESP and ESP members are constantly getting raided, arrested, followed around and harrassed by undercover pigs, etc.

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>>2802838
iskender kebap

>>2802838
Doner. Perhaps the greatest invention of turks.

>>2802838
Raki (I’m an alcoholic)

>>2802985
kendi ulkeleri disinda her yerde protesto yapiyorlar hahahs

>>2802838
fasulye is the working mans choice (i have nothing to my name please give me money the beans are coming out of my nose and ears already)

>>2844243
Kendi ülkemizde de protestolar var kıçını kaldırıp bişeylere katıl çok sinirine dokunduysa

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So what's the deal with the peace process? Will it resolve or will it collapse? What does either outcome look like?

>>2844346
From what I remember it collapsed or at least a portion of the PKK decided not to give up their guns.

Either way, individualist terror tactics and staying away from the working class to organize in the mountains is retarded. Foco theory and its consequences have been a disaster for the communist movement in Turkey.

>>2844388
>From what I remember it collapsed or at least a portion of the PKK decided not to give up their guns.
No, i'm asking about the current ongoing one, not the past ones.
>Either way, individualist terror tactics and staying away from the working class to organize in the mountains is retarded. Foco theory and its consequences have been a disaster for the communist movement in Turkey.
Respectfully that's such a pants on head retarded take i don't even really understand how you got there.

>>2844334
geziden sonra adam akilli protesto yapilamiyor niye katilayim

>>2845192
Daha geçen ülke geneli eğitim sen yürüyüşleri yapıldı temmuzda Ankara için çağrılar var natoya karşı. Arayana bol kavga bitmez.

>>2802838
ayran – the true aryan choice

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>>2844395
>i'm asking about the current ongoing one, not the past ones.
I am talking about the current one. I looked back and couldn't find any evidence for my previous claims, so the PKK got dissolved and is no longer operating in Turkey.

>Respectfully that's such a pants on head retarded take i don't even really understand how you got there

How? Other than in the Cuban Revolution, which originally wasn't even a communist revolution, and the Chinese Revolution, which also wasn't communist mind you (https://solarcollective.comrades.sbs/assets/pdfs/Theses_on_the_Chinese_Question.pdf), fucking off from the populace and starving in the jungle has never worked. Look at Peru, the Philippines, India and even in Turkey, militant tactics have never worked in contemporary attempts of a social revolutions. The working class must be organized in their workplaces and communists should take action with them, not without them. Individualist militant tactics only create the justification for suppression that the bourgeois state needs.

>>2845741
>>2844388
Stop using words you don't understand.

>>2845755
Than give a proper counter-argument instead of saying one liners which have no theoretical value.

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KCK: Neither Rêber Apo nor our Freedom Movement will accept faits accomplis.
The KCK Executive Council Co-Chairmanship stated, “For some time now, there has been a debate in the Turkish press and public opinion regarding the framework law. Interpretations that do not conform to, and even contradict, the peace and democratic society project pursued by Rêber Apo are being voiced in the press. Most recently, the proposals Rêber Apo presented in İmralı on May 24th and the meetings held by the DEM Party delegation with AKP officials have been presented as if they were new. However, no meetings have been held with Rêber Apo since May 24th. The proposals Rêber Apo presented after the May 24th meeting were to be evaluated by the government. These evaluations were to be conveyed to Rêber Apo, and the results were to be communicated to our Movement. However, this procedure has not been followed to date. Therefore, there has been no contact or development to be evaluated from that day to this. While Rêber Apo remains in isolation on such a historical and important issue, our Freedom Movement has had no information about this during this time.”

The KCK statement, which said, "Our Freedom Movement has stood by the process led by Rêber Apo and has made every effort necessary," further stated: "While we have made multifaceted efforts towards the democratic political solution of the problems, we have also taken important steps. We supported the efforts to enact freedom laws that would allow for free democratic politics. In this regard, although we see it as incomplete and insufficient, we found the report prepared by the brotherhood, peace and democracy commission to be positive."

<PASSING A LAW WITHOUT CONSULTING THE LEADERSHIP IS CONSIDERED A GAME, AN IMPOSITION, AND A CONSPIRACY.

The Peace and Democratic Society Process directly concerns us. We have frequently avoided making statements on behalf of the Movement to avoid negatively impacting the Process and the dialogues with Rêber Apo. However, recent policies, statements, and assessments have made it necessary to issue a statement and present our views to the public.

To say that a law will be passed, without consulting and discussing it with the leadership, without taking the Movement's opinion into account, and that it will contain such and such, is considered a game, an imposition, even a conspiracy. Indeed, Numan Kurtulmuş made a statement to the effect that a law will be passed, those who come will come, and if anyone doesn't, the necessary action will be taken against them. Decisions regarding this organization are made and implemented holistically. Our Freedom Movement only takes holistic laws and steps into account. Otherwise, it will not be a situation where some come and some don't. The issue is not just about the fighters laying down their arms. Of course, the attitude towards the fighters and leadership of this movement will be unified. Adopting a different approach would sabotage this process.

<IF A POSITIVE APPROACH IS NOT SHOWN TOWARDS RÊBER APO'S POSITION, NO ONE CAN ENSURE THAT THE DECISIONS MADE ARE IMPLEMENTED IN PRACTICE.

At the congress where we dissolved the PKK as the Freedom Movement, we decided that the dissolution and disarmament process could only be led by Rêber Apo. Rêber Apo can only lead this process under conditions of freedom. Our people and our Movement have made it clear from the beginning that they will not accept any policy and practice that does not include Rêber Apo's freedom and the conditions under which he can live and work freely. Without a positive approach towards Rêber Apo's position and without taking steps in that direction, no one can ensure the practical implementation of the decisions taken at the PKK congress.

The purpose of dialogue with the leadership and our relationship with them is to develop a holistic policy and approach. Otherwise, simply passing a law, with those who want to come and those who don't, won't work. Is a solution being sought through this process, or is the public being confused, or is a special war being waged against the Freedom Movement? If a law like the "Return Home Law" is not passed, and a comprehensive democratic solution approach is not presented, neither our people nor our organizational structure will accept it. From this perspective, if a century-old problem, a fifty-year-old conflict and issue of rupture is to be resolved, a correct understanding and approach must be put forward.

<WHAT IS THE HEAD OF THE NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY DOING IN BAGHDAD, SULEIMANIYAH, AND HEWLÊR?

Now, policies are being implemented that are almost like preparing for a new war. The head of the National Intelligence Organization (MİT), İbrahim Kalın, is touring Iraq not just as the head of the intelligence agency, but almost like the prime minister of the government. Similar meetings were held during the attack on Rojava. What is the MİT head doing in Baghdad, Sulaymaniyah, and Hewlêr? Are these forces being assigned roles in a plan to attack and eliminate our Freedom Movement? Undoubtedly, all Kurdish people and political forces should be vigilant against such policies. Türkiye's statements should be seen as unilateral and not in the best interests of the Kurds. Instead of solving its own internal problems, is Turkey planning an attack against our Freedom Movement with Iraq following the Iraqi government's decision regarding armed forces outside the army? It is known that similar discussions are taking place with Iran. If the Turkish state has such plans, we believe that Iraq should not accept them.

We want to emphasize this clearly: neither Rêber Apo nor our Freedom Movement will accept any fait accompli. To consider a policy of special warfare, such as "we passed a law, but they don't accept it," would be an irrational approach. It would be a continuation of policies that have yielded no results for a century and have led to a rupture between the Kurdish people and Türkiye. In this respect, it is necessary to act seriously and responsibly in our approach to both Rêber Apo and our Freedom Movement.

As the Freedom Movement, we possess the will and determination to implement a political approach that will ensure democratic integration with Turkey on the basis of a democratic political solution that will eliminate the century-long climate of conflict and rupture. It is also the historical responsibility of the Turkish state to do its part in ensuring democratic integration through policies and steps that will enable the practical implementation of this will and determination.

"The democratic public and our people must be vigilant against approaches that would sabotage the Peace and Democratic Society Process, and must fulfill their responsibility to ensure the success of the peace and democratic society process by more effectively combating the isolation maintained in İmralı."
https://anfenglishmobile.com/guncel/kck-230521

there is over 240 police arrest on students in istanbul, ankara and other cities before natos ankara visit.

Intelligence chief has also been doing the rounds, visiting Iraq, visiting Syria. Is Turkey preparing to renew the war against the Kurdish freedom movement?

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Interesting interview with Murat Karayılan in movement press.
A passage i thought was notable because it's the strongest language used so far and it indicates that the PKK is advancing its arsenals and deftly responding to the changing battlefield:

>They adopted a ceasefire position on July 1st, 2025. However, the activity of reconnaissance aircraft continued. Only after two Akıncı UAVs, flying at an altitude of around 11,000 meters, were shot down over Qandil, was UAV activity over Qandil halted. Could a weakened organization shoot down UAVs flying at 11,000 meters? As far as we know, the only powers capable of doing this in the Middle East are Turkey, Iran, and Israel. No one else. The fourth power is our Movement. No one should distort the truth. We have a serious level of technical capability. If Rêber Apo hadn't made the call, we could have spread the war even further. We could have struck not only nearby but also distant targets. We could have reached economic resources, oil fields, and anywhere up to 800 kilometers deep. Our Movement possessed these technological capabilities. But despite all this, our Movement stopped this war because it believed in Rêber Apo's strategy of a democratic society and democratic politics.

>IF THEY TRY TO DESTROY US THROUGH WAR, WE CAN RESPOND 3-4 TIMES MORE STRONGLY THAN BEFORE.

<You said we had this opportunity. Do we still have that opportunity now?

>Of course! Without a doubt, we still have those capabilities. If I were to mention them now, they would say, "He's threatening us." But we do have these capabilities. Our people and society should know this; we possess these capabilities. However, we have made a decision for democratic politics, we are basing our policies on democratic societal politics. We want to pursue this strategy. But if, despite this, a military attack aimed at annihilation is launched against us, if they try to destroy us with old methods of warfare, we can respond with 3-4 times more force than before. We have the ability to respond not only in the near future but also in distant locations. Our movement has this potential. Perhaps our people and those following from afar may not know this, but I believe that state officials are aware of it. Our movement has this potential. Our movement has dedicated and intelligent cadres; it has created this. Its tactical experience has strengthened, and its technical mastery has been established. There is no solution against both the tunnel tactics employed in recent years and the newly used FPV fiber optic drones. Of course, the Turkish army also has a certain level; I don't want to belittle it, but there is no solution against these. Indeed, they have been rendered helpless. This is a fact.

>Also, these techniques have only recently become available to us; that's another point. They are new techniques, of course. We've been working on them, following them for a long time, but they were only created this way. Therefore, if someone says "let's go back to the past," this Movement can defend itself.

https://anfenglishmobile.com/guncel/murat-karayilan-devlet-guven-veren-adimlar-atmali-230686

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Aziz Yardımlı ve çevirileri hakkında ne düşünüyoruz?

There's no possibility for any kind of post-capitalist social transformation in Turkey and much of the Middle East because Kemalism and the PKK helped destroyed the social institutions that might have made an exit from capitalism possible.

>>2862999
The PKK isn’t that big or important and never has been lmao

What is TiP's stance on the Kurdish question? Because a local branch has been supporting work we are doing around Rojava and I honestly found that surprising.

>>2863002
True, but the Turkish state's war on the Kurds and the PKK's campaign to transform Kurdish society has had a devastating effect. There's no opportunity for postcapitalism revolution there.

>>2863009
and? There’s a whole world outside the ottoman rumplet, go where things are possible and don’t repeat first worldism in thr second world

What's this new set of raids and arrests against CHP run municipality? How bad is it for the whatever can be called opposition? What is in your future politically?
Plz TLD for us foreigners?


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