>"Wanted to have an adventure and kill some people. Joined up in ‘04, did Fallujah and Ramadi, and managed both. Hell of an excellent experience."
>"There are times in this world when, for the good of tolerance and humanity, you need to kill a motherfucker. Sadly most people who are true believers in tolerance and humanity find that activity repulsive. Which I suppose is morally good, but pragmatically a shortfall."
>"Out of curiosity, what would you say to the many Marines and Soldiers who took trophies and desecrated bodies while fighting the Japanese? I find the urinating on bodies as a poor choice, but only because of the current state of media affairs. It's amusing that today killing a man isn't worthy of comment, but god forbid you display dominance. Only 50 years ago, and for the rest of the history of warfare, this stuff was pretty standard."
>"We are going to kill thousands. By the end of it, it may be millions. Our way of life is better, and if that is what it takes to prevail, let's get this show on the road. I don't disagree with your point, I just disagree with the fact you seem to think we shouldn't do it."https://archive.org/download/graham_platner_reddit_comments/graham_platner_reddit_comments.txtthe tattoo and the racist and misogynistic stuff graham platner has said in the past were certainly red flags for me, but honestly when i actually started reading through the comments myself, i realized it's actually worse than people seem to realize. it goes beyond just teenage edgelord internet shenanigans, this is someone who seems to have a genuine fascination with killing and hurting people, he talks about it a lot and brags about it a lot, he claims that he joined the military because he wanted to kill people and that he enjoyed killing people and he constantly talks about how empowering it feels and how much he misses it.
i've known a lot of people who have served in the military and i've never known any of them to say things like this. but i have heard a few of them talk about meeting certain other members of the military who did. most people who join the military are decent normal people who join for the usual kinds of reasons - sense of duty and wanting to serve their country, having family members in the military whom they look up to and want to follow in their footsteps, seeing it as a career opportunity to build a better life for themselves, etc. and most people who have fought in combat and experienced the horrors of war don't feel very good about it and don't like to talk about it and certainly don't find it glamorous or invigorating or think of it as some kind of exciting adventure. but there is a small minority of very sick people who really do join the military just because they want to fight in a war and get to kill people and watch people die, they think that war and killing are very neat things and they talk about it and obsess over it a lot and they genuinely seem to enjoy it.
i would like to think that graham platner is not that kind of person, but reading the comments he's made over the years, he legitimately seems like a psychopath. he's expressed some remorse for the things he's said, but that's not worth very much when he's simultaneously trying to pursue a political career and running for one of the highest positions of power in american society, a position that would give him far more power and therefore far more opportunities to kill and hurt and dominate other human beings than his military career ever did. i don't think a person who has said these kinds of things should be allowed that level of power.
187 posts and 34 image replies omitted.>>2829573>stalin>the guy who went full antizionism as soon as he realized israel would always be an imperialist tool and made it the official policy of the USSR>so much that he immediately got accused of antisemitism by all the anticommunistskys
>>2829626How old are you? The whole "just need to push workers slightly left via electorialism and social democracy" has been repeated billions of times and it's failed every single time. There have been countries with social democratic politicians in power who were MUCH further to the left than Bernie, and they ruled for decades and it resulted in nothing.
>>2829690>just need to push workers slightly left via electorialism and social democracyI didn't say that. I said that trade union consciousness is a prerequisite for class consciousness.
>There have been countries with social democratic politicians in power who were MUCH further to the left than Bernie, and they ruled for decades and it resulted in nothingGood thing I never said that social democracy would lead to socialism then. What I'm arguing is that you need a worker's movement before you can have a socialist movement.
>>2829693A workers movement will be coopted by the state unless its guided by communists to remain hostile to the state from the start. And that includes being hostile to all forms of reformism. Which includes being opposed to social democrats like Graham Platner.
>>2828952>A literal /pol/tard would be an improvementhistorically speaking, when the equivalent of poltards take over, and oust the already-awful normie government, things tend to get worse, not better. basically they have the same policies with none of the restraint. i suppose it's an improvement if you're an accelerationist or not one of the groups they're targeting directly.
>>2829696you're right but good luck with that in the U$A
>>2829697No it depends on which kind of fascist were talking about. There have always been two distinct kinds of fascists. One is just an opportunist who uses fascism to carry out their personal ideological goals like killing minorities. This type is also economically illiterate and rapidly fucks up the economy.
The other is a more intelligent one who uses fascism to enforce class collaboration. Like Singapores Lee Kuan Yew or the various Gulf monarchies.
In the first case you end up with a shitty dictatorships that delivers none of its promises other than harming the outgroups while also harming ingroups. In the second case you end up with genuine improvements in standards of living for everyone.
Neither are good obviously, but accelerationisrs need to understand that the second one does the opposite of acceleration, it completely ossifies class struggle.
>>2829701sure but i didn't say fascist or fascism. i said the historical equivalent of poltards. there's way more historical examples of poltards to draw from than just fascism. roman soldiers raping gaulic women? historical poltards. crusaders killing christians on the way to loot jerusalem? historical poltards. charles 1st during the english civil war? historical poltard. it hurt itself in its confusion!
>>2829673You're confusing antisemitism with anti zionism
Many antisemities are zionist, stalin no exception.
>>2829646yeah it's kind of strange but I think the strategy here is to try and be as uniformly supportive of the blue candidates who espouse more progressive rhetoric in the same way that the right wing will unanimously galvanize around pretty much anyone on their side.
you hear people like destiny bitch about this a lot, the idea that the left is too atomized and fractured compared to the right which is this highly orchestrated think tank that moves in unison with whatever the agenda happens to be. is it the right course of action? beats me.
>>2829696>A workers movement will be coopted by the state unless its guided by communists to remain hostile to the state from the start. That's simply unrealistic and isn't going to happen. No worker's movement in history has ever sprung into existence fully formed and class conscious. It takes struggle and experience to forge such a thing. Like it or not social democrats are going to be part of this process, and some degree of cooperation is going to be necessary. I wouldn't say this includes Platner since he's Democrat and we shouldn't be touching them with a fifty foot pole, but it does include socdems outside of the Democratic Party apparatus.
Platnerites on xitter repeatedly suggest that leftists must have agents inside the regime's armed forces and that Platner is that. To justify this they invoke the Russian revolution which shows how ignorant they are of the history of the Russian revolution. The Bolsheviks and Mensheviks agitated among the conscripts not volunteers. High ranking military leaders only switched sides once the Bolsheviks had taken over. They were threatened and coerced into service of the revolution.
>>2829837>The Bolsheviks and Mensheviks agitated among the conscripts not volunteersThey agitated amongst both. Lenin wrote extensively about this topic and never drew a distinction between conscripts and volunteers. Such a distinction makes no sense unless you unironically believe that the grip of reactionary ideology can't be broken. It's still nonsense in relation to Platner though since he's not in the military anymore, and is an active member if an imperialist bourgeois party.
>>2829837>The Bolsheviks and Mensheviks agitated among the conscripts not volunteersthey obviously did both retard
Platner supposedly has PTSD; do you think it's possible to exploit this weakness and induce a psychotic episode, ideally cause him to commit suicide?
>>2828689>God dad bods are fucking disgusting man.you should probably make peace with it because statistically speaking you will almost certainly eventually have one
>>2830642Has this guy only got one arm?
>>2829945i'll kill myself
>>2833293I watched cuckinsky a while back and he seemed to almost be a comrade. guess I'll have to check back again in a few years
Ignoring volunteer soldiers is bleeding heart moralism, normal of "anti-imperialists". Having said that, Platner is a useless socdem lmao.
>>2833333You mean when he used to dickride fetterman right. Fetterman used to be your ally and his ally. You dick rider. You epstein you wrong
>>2833293Imma say it again really loud. Kkkyle kkklyinsky dick rided fetterman. If you say, oh gee kkkylisnky used to be based. You are fetterman. You are kkkyle kkkylinskkky. You are platner.
And lastly. Imagine if bad empanada was chairman of aipac. Imagine if bad empanada had infinte power and wealth of aipac and he focused all of it on platner and like 2 other like he has. I say this nonsense because that is what democrats actually believe. Now imagine how easily and how few money it take to destroy platner if they didnt pull punches. How bad empanada could make a single video instead of a hundred to destroy platner. He incel nazi rapist redditor. Anyone can destroy him, so why is aipac spending nothing against him?
>>2833356To be fair to Kyle, Fetterman was a totally different person back then, before the brain damage. Though Fetterman has always been pro Israel.
>>2829716The inverse was true prior to Biden 2020, where the GOP was still divided between centre-right neocons and populist Tea party-style MAGApedes, compared to the Democrat Party which was less divided and more uniform in their push towards neoliberalism. The democrats were and still are the party of the bourgeoisie, it’s just that Palestine and the virulent agitation of the Jewish lobby has led to a split between the gerantocratic DNC and the younger and more populist voter base, with the DSA being just a tool to deradicalise the latter into liberal electoralism that leads nowhere (as is the case with AOC and The Squad, Zohran, Kat, etc…).
But fast forward to Trump 2024, and the GOP is more unified than ever behind Trump to the point of being little more than a quasi-personality cult full of opportunistic “preachers” of MAGA-ism.
As for the Democrats’ split, comparing it to the MAGA-2010s RNC split is too generous since the DNC never really had to deal with a serious populist blowback within their ranks. I would say it’s more like the Democrat version of the Tea Party more than anything else, although I’m not optimistic about it since the Democratic Party as a whole acts more like a privileged club than as an actual political party.
>>2833372Wrong. Fetterman had stroke before he was elected. Kyle sucked him off for years.
>>2833419Fetterman only showed his true colors [or damaged ones] after he got elected.
>>2829025Came here to post this.
I don't think P-Hustle is a rapist because he assaulted some GOP trigger-woman, and if I did, maybe I'd have a modicum of respect for him.
I KNOW Graham Platner is a rapist because he guarded a prison known exclusively for being a place where ameriKKKan troopSS raped Iraqi civillians for FUCKING YEARS!
100% chance picrel and P-hustle crossed paths at the very minimum.
You're all doing great man theory of history. A single candidate isn't going to bring about the end of or carry out imperialism on behalf of the American juggernaut. Congress subsumes and accommodates fascists, extremists, and psychopaths alike and that won't change based on who's holding a Senate seat from Maine.
>>2834009>>2829025I could've fixed her with my BBC
>>2833348>Ignoring volunteer soldiersCorrect. Volunteer, also known as the freikorps
>>2833293>>2833333>>2833354you guys gotta go easier on kyle, he's not your enemy just because he's a "classic left of center liberal" he is doing much to further rhetoric that would have been considered highly radical in the mid 90s - mid 2000s.
populism is good, it paves the way to radical change, if only incrementally. you want to be mad at someone? be mad at moderates like shoeonhead and provocateurs like destiny or contrapoints. they're the real liberals who don't want revolution; kyle is only slightly left of them, and perhaps can be persuaded.
kyle is a better ally that hasan will ever be, lemme just say that.
No one pointed out he has gyno from steroid use
Hail Graham Platner hail our people hail victory
Anti-Platnerites are the tools of capitalists and Zionists. They want to re-elect an evil Zionist fascist (Susan Collins).
https://www.pressherald.com/2026/06/12/see-the-97-billionaires-and-their-spouses-backing-susan-collins/The smear campaign against Platner is transparently a hasbara campaign designed to trick idiotic liberals into thinking it's evil Nazi man vs wholesome old woman. In reality Susan Collins has done far more evil through policy than any one soldier through actions ever could.
>>2833419Fetterman had the stroke DURING his campaign, he was in the hospital for it on the night he won the primary if i recall correctly. Then he won the general based off his progressive (except for palestine obviously) record. There likely wasn't an anti-israel candidate running at all in the 2022 Pennsylvania primary, as compared to Maine where the anti-israel candidate, Platner, is the nominee.
>>2836673>great man theory of historyMLs in general surrendered to that nonsense once they started emphasizing personality cults as a means of national stability
>>2838323>Old Imperialist Hag vs Fascist FootsoldierGod bless Democracy.
>>2829278>glowm chomskyHe's just a liberal smol bean who knowingly schmoozed with a convicted sex trafficker of underaged girls.
Forget Platner or Massie. There’s an Anti-AIPAC candidate running for Congress in NJ:
Terrisa Bukovinac is 100% anti-Zionist and refuses to take a penny from AIPAC. She will not kiss the wall. She is also very attractive and conservative (which most working-class people are) AND a socialist. Ziorats will most likely run a smear campaign against her do she needs all the love she can get.
Reminder stopping Zionists starts with voting against their puppets in Congress. The left needs to do as much as it can for Palestine, and one of the best things it can do is campaign for politicians who are openly anti-Zionist.
Terrisa needs all the support she can get since Zionist and Malthusian elites will try to silence her like they did Platner
And can we PLEASE get Jimmy Dore or Caleb Maupin to interview her?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DZaJ6OTxog1/https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZLOav8Im-5E>>2826855you can't have a revolution without people willing to kill, but you want comrades who see killing as a means to an end, not psychopaths who see killing as the end and our ideology as merely the means by which they can get away with it. that's the difference between a Zhukov and a Beria.
>>2834009assuming this person sodomized people w that thing, funny to think she was my countryman and is probably well-off w some consulting gig or gainfully retired.
>>2833372>To be fair to Kyle, Fetterman was a totally different person back then, before the brain damageno he really wasn't, he was just better at faking it. the jogger incident is the best known example of him always being a hotheaded asshole, but I have also been in the same room as pre-stroke fetty IRL and witnessed him raging out the exact same way at some mild left pushback from a fucking DSA meeting. the stroke didn't make him an asshole, it just took away his ability to pretend he wasn't
>>2826855People are desperate to reduce criticism of Graham Platner to the rejection of ex USA military people in a wider movement when it's never been that. There are plenty of clearly repentant veterans with with histories of activism and political experience. That background is important in that it makes it more likely that this is a person you can trust to cooperate with your political agenda. Platner does not have that. On the contrary he has an extremely sketchy background
which he has lied about. Furthermore many supposedly radical independent journalists and media figures (Ryan Grim, Majority Report, Hasan Piker) have repeatedly lied about him. They said he regrets his participation in the military, he doesn't. They said he is anti-war, he isn't. They said he is anti Israel, he's a liberal zionist. They said he has a working class background, he owns an oyster business and comes from a business owning family.
Regarding his class background, it is not a moral failing that he is from a bourgeoisie family, but it's the fact that he and the previously mentioned media people have lied about it. And when that lie and all the others are pointed out, all those legitimate demonstrable criticisms and their conclusion (that there is no good reason to trust this guy and they should have gotten a better candidate), are waved away by Grim, ME, Piker etc. as incoherent crying by tankies or ultras or third worldists. If you are not from the USA, they'll jump to "stfu this isn't your country", as if USA senators weren't people with powers that can affect whole planet. If you are from the USA they'll throw the contrapoints/basil criticism at you (not verbatim because that would be too embarrassing for them): "you don't want power you just want to endlessly critique power". Which has been endlessly ripped apart but once again: any ideologically driven person does not want power just for it's own sake, they want the things that that power can obtain, in the case of leftists a better socioeconomic system.
>>2839037truthfully I don't remember any of what he said in that meeting that wasn't angry hollering. because I was in the back of the room and he absolutely refused to use a microphone, no matter how many times we tried to tell him it was an accessibility issue. every single other candidate just got up at the podium and spoke, but he insisted on doing his fakeass "man of the people" act in the middle of the aisle and refused to touch the wireless mic they kept trying to hand him
(yeah I know, lol DSA electoral shit, I was a dumbass and had to learn the hard way how retarded it was)
>>2838380Total pro-lifer death
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