/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>How come literally nobody likes any of you guys irl
>lives under bourgeois democracy
C’mon now

>>2827697
Where did they win in recent memory ?

>>2827697
The split between socdems and communists is kind of interesting because it happened as a result of WWI and admission to the Comintern had certain requirements. But before that the communists called themselves revolutionary social democrats and so forth. Also the Comintern no longer exists. The meta now seems to be Marxists forming new parties called things like the Historic Pact that look fresh and then aim to expand the base, but we'll see if it sustains in the first round in Colombia on Sunday.

Communism became a hoe scaring ideology after 1991

Very good point, OP.

DSA gets real wins for working people. Meanwhile, ultra-leftists Maoists, Jucheists, anarchists get killed and imprisoned. Soon it'll be systemic. Even the DSA will get sick of these third worldists yelling you're the enemy for not doing enough. its already the case in nyc. anarchists, maoists, juche types, this rag tag of third worldists wont be happy until they have a mayor that announces millions to h*mas and that anyone with a billion will be publicly brutalized. unless its that they call him an enemy. That's the thing, anarchists, Maoists, and Jucheists don't even go by those names anymore. You've all united under "third worldism" in some decentralized bullshit. But that stops when your ideas get illegalized.

Maoist zine? Anarchist zine? That's terror charges now. Your son in law holds a bag with your literature? He's a terrorist. Congratulations.

We have people on deck waiting to take you out gangland style. You spent years calling cops a gang. It won't be fun when a fed pulls up on you as you get off a long day of work. Pop. Pop. Pop.

Or maybe a big truck runs into you on the road.

Things can happen.

The average person just wants to be left alone.

You couldn’t do that in Soviet Russia, which kinda made being communist their whole thing.

You don’t need to wanna burn cop cars to recognize the hammer and sickle as the big banner behind more 20th century war crimes

"democratic socialists" are liberals who advocate for benefits to keep the working class happy in the capitalist structure. communists advocate for its overthrow. unless the conditions the people find themselves in are bad enough there simply won't be any desire to destroy the systems they depend upon.

>>2827697
"no trouble winning election"
Name one socdem elected in the last 5 years.

>>2827887
Mamdani, Katie Wilson, Kelsea Bond

>>2827899

Way more than that all the progressive wings are dsa plants and they have major wins in multiple localties they do way more than communists, communists just get into civil wars and gang wars with other paramilitary groups and get their members jammed up or killed.

I cant tell anymore if these are ironic or unironic posts

>>2827903
As a literal member of the DSA, we literally do envision using a mechanism to reform the government. We just want to do it legally. That's the biggest distinction I have found between us and the CPUSA.

>>2827899
So two mayors and a city councillor ? Thats the best you can offer ?
When is the last time the USA had a socdem presidential candidate ? Obama sort of claimed to be one, but didn't follow throught.
The only socdem governed country in Europe is Spain and Norway, everyone else is governed by liberals, right wingers and fascists. And this doesn't appear to be changing.
So exacly, what has the socdems accomplished ? Dividing the left and started neoliberalism and then gave up winning elections.

>>2827908
NYC having a socialist muslim mayor isn't an head twister for you? what more do you want?

>>2827910
No, a large city having a center-left mayor isn't particularly shocking to me, it's in fact very common in the west. London has a muslim social democrat mayor since 2016.
I'll agree that it's a good sign for the left wing part of the Democrats, but it's nothing compared to what the socdems were not even 50 years ago.

>>2827913
Mamdani is not centre-left. He is left. Don't lie about this. Having a center left mayor in NYC is a typical thing. Having an actual leftist in office anywhere in the United States is a rare thing. In NYC, it is a first. London is far from the United States, in its politics, and its political composition. You cannot compare USA politic to EU or UK politic. They have absolutely nothing in common besides a shared history. But I'm glad we can both see the good in his victory, and and I know that we will continue succeeding towards a better world in spite of everything.

>but it's nothing compared to what the socdems were not even 50 years ago.

I'm right out here on these streets protesting with you gramps, I love you and I know you bitch at me to keep me on the right path.

Thinly veiled burgerpol thread. Anyway they win in other countries and are seemingly unable to do much. PSOE in Spain and Socialdemokratiet in Denmark are good examples of socdem governments that are functionally neoliberal.

>>2827915

This


>>2827920

juche cultist insulting a serious political movement democratic socialism, woweee

>>2827910
He's a mild social democrat, fuck off fed

The advantage of Americans never experiencing social democracy for the past 50 years is that they can still be bought off with things like universal healthcare and free childcare.

>>2827921
Don't include me in your larp please and thank you

>>2827697
Modern day communist orgs are incoherent rape cults which aren't attractive to normal people. The ones that aren't are indistinguishable from social democratic parties, and do occasionally win elections (see Kerala in India).

>>2827697
>How come socdems chads have no trouble winning elections but communists do?
communists are not electoralist
>How come literally nobody likes any of you guys irl?
elections are not a measure of popularity unless participation is high, which in bourgeois democracies it is not
>>2827878
>real wins
real wins require a workers dictatorship. socdem "wins" are temporary and rolled back as soon as convenient because socdems dont hold actual power they merely short term permission from liberals as a scam to funnel more people to those liberals

>>2828424
>communists are not electoralist
Yeah cause you always lose them lmao

>>2827697
The material interest of first world proletariat which benefits from higher wages from imperialism renders them a labour aristocracy is reformism.

>>2827883
>”I just want to be left alone.”
<Continues to rely completely on the social relations of production that allow them to eat, have clothing, shelter, and treats, all at the expensive of the lives of the proletariat that lives on subsistence wages
People working in sweatshops don’t get to be left alone. It’s either wage-slavery or death. The average person who just “wants to be left alone” really just wants the benefits of slave labor without having to think about how it’s made. Nothing but objects and pawns to be used by the ruling class in the best case where they are just ignorant, and pure evil when they know and just don’t care. The latter deserve to have everything taken away so they can know what it’s like.

American communist movements were infiltrated by the CIA and FBI.

>>2827698
Lives in a world where people are literate*

>>2827697
The last actual socdem who got elected was Olof Palme, and they got his ass.

>>2832478
yeah we know who

>>2827697
>believes bourgeois election results

Also the places where communism is most popular have banned communist parties

>>2827697
Modern socdems did have trouble winning elections starting in the 70s when the detente between US-USSR started to erode again, which is why almost all modern socdem parties are at at best Center (more often Center-right) neoliberal larpfests. They only "win" because they abandoned everything they used to stand for in exchange for capitalist support.
>>2827906
Wrong. You can't reform capitalism. You can slap reforms on top of it but that's not the same as "reforming" the system, which is fundamentally rotten and must be destroyed. A good chunk of DSA is smart enough to understand this distinction, so you're either lying or part of the cucked SMC/GW/NS.
>>2827910
NYC having a socialist
>>2827915
>Mamdani is not centre-left. He is left.
You can acknowledge the benefits of him without lying

When the "communists" openly glaze countries like NK or Cuba and Venezuela then it's not surprising that proles don't want any of that shit. "Socialists" only win when they promise shit that proles actually want, like Nordic or Chinese style state managed capitalism.

I just made a big post on taxes here >>2833315

Ill make another post later on what a "desirable" communist reformist platform would like.

If you're gonna do electroralism, then do it right. Don't give up ground to opportunist socdems.

We can create a highly desirable program that is easy to implement, actually works, and actually weakens capitalism instead of merely stabilizing it (which is the Socdem goal)

>be socdem party
>win election
>manage to pass some reforms somehow
>lost next election
>porkies reverse said reforms, and then some
rinse and repeat

>>2833327
Just don't lose bro, it's that simple

>>2833336
>Just don't lose bro, it's that simple
Luka gets it. That's why Belarus is the last social democracy in Europe.

>>2833431
Luka shows that mandate limits are retarded as well
>huh I think we should be forced to vote for Hitler or ᴉuᴉlossnW in between actually good candidates from time to time