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When we talk about wars in which one side was clearly more "correct" than the other, we generally think of modern wars. WWII, The American Civil War, the Russian Civil War, French Revolution, Wars of Decolonization, the Vietnam War, etc. But what about BEFORE that? In the pre-enlightenment days these seem to have been much less common. That isn't to say they didn't exist, of course. There were plenty of Peasant's Revolts and Slave Uprisings and whatnot.

So what are some wars pre-1492 that you feel had a very clear-cut good and bad side? Bonus points for wars between states rather than uprisings.

Note: a side of a conflict being "Historically Progressive" will not automatically make it "good". British Colonialism in India was historically progressive, that doesn't mean it was good.

The mongols because they were anti-imperialist easterners liberating eurassia

>>2832700
Athens was so much better then the Spartans, it's unbelievable that they lose the fucking greeks should have known their place.

>>2832711
Wasn't Athens actually more of a slave society than Sparta?

>>2832705
Why do you think they were called the AbaSSids?

>>2832712
All greek societies were parasitic

>>2832712
It was less of a slave society then Sparta, most of the athenian mens were citizen, most of the Spartans were slaves.

>>2832725
I'm just tired of the constant Sparta lovers and I'm just sad that Thebes didn't burn them to the ground more.

>>2832725
>>2832712
spartan military society was militant because the helots were worked to death so frequently that they revolted constantly. the economic strain of constantly needing to replace slaves along with such a massive policing budget resulted necessarily in relative aesceticism relative to other greeks at the time.

people think the spartans were tough but they were actually just retarded.

>>2832736
oh, sorry, i got that slightly wrong: the ancient spartans were too busy beating the shit out of the ethinically-differentiated helots whose land they had invaded and occupied.

so Sparta was literally just ancient Israel, all the way down to the universal conscription.

>>2832700
Extremely disappointing results from this thread. Ashamed of all of you. How about the Polish-Teubeautiful lady😍🥰ic Wars? The Teubeautiful lady😍🥰ic Order was insanely evil and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was quite progressive for the time.

>>2833038
What the fuck? "beautiful lady😍🥰" isn't allowed here? WTF does it even mean?


Admiral Yi defending Korea from Japan

The early agricultural civilizations that slaughtered and enslaved hunter-gatherers to make a giant population of malnourished peasants paying taxes to God-Kings. Historically progressive!


Teubeautiful lady😍🥰

Whats a T-O-N?

>>2832700
>interfeudalist conflicts
No war but peasant revolution.

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Every national liberation war and every peasant and slave uprising

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>>2832700
The Ottoman Empire was the sword and shield of the Ummah and all of Asia, Ottoman jihad saved Islamic ans Asian peoples from sharing the same fate as the ameridians

The day they showed weakness and failed to defend their Muslim brothers it was the day judeochristian whites began with a series of oppressions and atrocities such as the genocide of circassians, the bosnian genocide, the genocide of balkan muslims, zionism (arab genocide), the war on """"terror"""" by judeochristians responsible for the holocaust of 10 million Muslims and the displacement of 38 millions, etc and etc…

All this horror will end when the Ummah unites once again, destroy Israel, build nukes and point them at every single judeochristian european and american capital(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>2833371
In fact when the Spanish tried to invade and genocide innocent Algerians and Tunisians Hernan Cortez was captured by the Ottomans and the Padishah spoke of the depravity and atrocities he commited in Mexico and aaid he thought the Ottomans were another Mexico

>>2833371
Thank god they allied with the anti-colonial Hohenzollern and Habsburg then.

  1. Barbarian conquest of Rome
  2. Arab conquest of West Asia
  3. Mongol conquest of West Asia
  4. Slave revolts

>>2832713
>>2832705
Mongols continued the slave trade and enslaved even more people doebeit

>>2833375
Stalin allied with the US and two worst colonial empires in history

>>2834675
Stalin was attacked, the Ottomans joined a pointless war and destroyed their empire.

>>2833369
the vast majority of peasant revolts ended unsuccessfully and nobody learned anything. even the most famous ones like wat tyler were incredibly stupid because they were based on the idea that the king had a good soul and merely bad advisers, and that if he would just listen to the peasants he would joint them. it's kind of wild because it's the opposite problem we have today. today we have people who read every revolutionary text but then do nothing. back then we have people who will kill or die for change, but have very naive ideas.

The theory of Just War is a concept of defensive warfare rather than offensive warfare. The idea has been abused today to justify pre-eminent aggression for the sake of quelling later distress. The theory of natural right of course plays a part, where the cause of rebellion is in preserving the rights inherent in oneself, and since antiquity, slavery has been justified by the cowardice of prisoners of war, who willingly forfeit their natural rights in return of life. This common sense is still present in Locke and Rousseau into the modern period. So then, all men assert their rights in defense, and are justified on that basis, while surrender is the admission of one's lack of natural rights, and therefore have no rule over themselves. Slave rebellions then (such as the Third Servile War, 73-71 BCE) in which Spartacus becomes a legendary figure, display the affirmative humanity of the bound (e.g. your rights cannot be granted, but only fought for). A foundational class war central to the Roman Republic was the Struggle of the Orders, beginning in 500 BCE, between patricians and plebs, and creating such codefied laws as the Twelve Tables (450 BCE) which formalised existing common law. Here, law becomes a constitutional instrument of respecting rights. Aristotle in his account of Athens writes on the reign of Solon (590 BCE) who mediated between the pre-established laws of Draco (which gave supremacy to the strong and wealthy) and the masses, who were largely made debt slaves. Solon repealed the laws and also cancelled all public and private debts (Seisachtheia), codefying a new constitution of class harmony, borne from rebellion. Nonetheless, neither the rich or poor were satisfied, and so Solon exiled himself. Here, class war brings legal re-constitution, such as we see in later revolutionary periods, such as England (1653-88), France (1789) and the USA (1776-1865). We see from myth, the Trojan War, which has its complications, since Paris stole Helen from Menelaus, urging the conflict from an original infringement, yet the Greeks hired many mercenaries to loot Troy of its treasures. In the end, a pact of peace is met between Achilles and Priam, and so perhaps the resolution of conflict by a truce or compromise also serves as a justice of its own, like Solon, though people may grow weary of peace and desire more for themselves, respectively. We see then that justice in conflict must be based in a protection of one's rights, and so the aggressor against rights is always wrong, whilst defensive measures can also be excessive, by not simply restoring what is lost, but by claims of compensation. We see this in ancient law as well, as written here: >>>/edu/26054
The overplus of an original damage is also economically intrinsic to such mercantile devices as "risk" and usury, subjective factors of valuation, which in my citation of Anglo-Saxon law, chiefly relates to class position. So then, if (x) steals from (y) how do we quantify the additional rate on return which is owed, and does this criminal compensation also operate in war (e.g. international law)? For example, does Paris simply owe Helen back alone, or does he owe something more than her basic return? We see attempts to bribe the Greeks from the Trojans, as a means for their acquiesence, and so this understanding is inherent. Is the capture of Troy then a just compensation, and if so, is Troy wrong for defending itself? We see in Aristotle's account, that debt-slavery met the means of submitting to what is owed, and so the capture of Troy, along with the enslavement of men may reflect a debt being paid - the curse of a bloodline then may begin by the debts of the father, but is there equal justice in this? We read in the Old Testament, the period of service being 7 years for Jacob, after which his contract expires. We read something similar in Robinson Crusoe (1719), that after a period of tutelage, the Christianised African slave will be made free by the Portuguese, and so this act of redemption is justified by its temporary nature, while say, the slaying of Trojan men is permanent. So then, is the enslavement of Troy justified, but not the murder? Where there is no compromise, there can be no peace, at least. Finally, the Greeks defeated the Trojans by violating the peace set between Achilles and Priam via the wooden horse, and so this violation is unlawful and thus unjustified. To cheat is to win, but at the cost of honour and fair play. War has its own laws, we must imagine.


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