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There sad and disturbing development according to DropSiteNews.

https://x.com/dropsitenews/status/2065526500640645566


🚨🇨🇺 BREAKING: Cuban President Miguel Díaz-Canel unveiled a sweeping set of economic reforms Friday, casting them as Cuba’s path through the crisis driven by a “criminal energy blockade” by the United States that has left the island nearly without fuel.

Only 1 oil tanker has reached Cuba in the past 5 months, Díaz-Canel said, a collapse that traces to January, when the U.S. captured Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and cut the flow of Venezuelan oil, then threatened tariffs on any country that supplied Cuba.

Havana now endures blackouts of up to 15 hours a day. Among the most devastating consequences of the U.S. policy is that the Cuban government has been forced to postpone tens of thousands of surgeries for its citizens.

The Cuban President today named national defense as the first priority, citing preparations under Cuba’s “Whole People’s War” doctrine. The full 2026 reform program includes:

🔹Enterprise & Markets
🔸 Overhaul the economic management system, easing the conflict between central planning and incentives for production
🔸 Grant state enterprises autonomy to set their own wages, dimensions, clients, and suppliers, use their profits freely, and enter the currency market directly [enterprise autonomy is a bad idea]
🔸 Loosen rules on non-state businesses, narrowing banned activities and widening shareholding
🔸 Fast-track approval of stalled private and state MSMEs (mipymes)

🔹 Decentralization & the State
🔸 Expand municipal autonomy, letting provinces import, export, attract foreign investment, and manage hard-currency income on their own
🔸 Restructure and shrink the state, cutting ministries and posts via a public draft law to reduce bureaucracy

🔹 Trade & Investment
🔸 Make foreign trade more dynamic, dropping mandatory intermediaries and favoring importers of raw materials over finished goods
🔸 Incentivize foreign direct investment, plus a new role for Cuban-diaspora and resident-Cuban investors as economic actors [Whyyyy?????]

🔹 Agriculture & Food
🔸 Reform land use, giving land to those who will farm it, cutting idle plots, and opening input and currency markets to producers across all sectors
🔸 Pursue food self-sufficiency by streamlining bureaucracy for agricultural production

🔹 Fiscal, Monetary & Social
🔸 Shift fiscal policy so the budget no longer finances state-enterprise inefficiency [So make things worse for the state sector]
🔸 Redesign monetary policy and the foreign-exchange market, and strengthen the banking system
🔸 Reform wages in the budget sector and move from subsidizing products to subsidizing people

🔹 Energy & Transport
🔸 Expand renewable energy and electric mobility, including local EV assembly, to cut dependence on imported fuel
🔸 Ease vehicle import limits, favoring solar-charged electric vehicles

🔹 Tourism, Commerce & Labor
🔸 Revive tourism through new operators beyond the big foreign chains that have pulled out
🔸 Modernize domestic commerce with electronic invoicing and digital platforms
🔸 Protect young skilled workers with better pay and incentives to curb emigration


Let's hope those loyal to the communist cause in Cuba resist liberalization.
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>usa demonstrates it no longer can unilaterally impose its will on the global stage
>cuba lifts siege communism
>western leftist go full doomer about it
Lol

>>2846798
When the first world did developmentalism they called them historically progressive, when we do it they call us social democrats

>>2846822
I think the doomerposting about "betrayal" is (yet again) the western leftists giving themselves emotional license to stop caring about the blockade

>>2846798
Yeah these guy are stupid. Cuban can't sustain itself being a tourist economy for EU progressives indefinitely unless they want to get #degrowthed then at the mercy of everyone.
It's already miraculous they managed to hold the island after 1991.

>>2846798
>USA stops bullying Cuba
>Cuba stops the socialist LARP

>>2846798
who do you think cuba is bending to by adopting these reforms? i'm not extremely upset about it or calling it a betrayal, but let's be realistic here. do you think stripping the welfare system and further privatizing the cuban economy to please a bunch of gusano faggots from miami is "lifting siege communism"

>>2846913
It means a shift in the calculus of power
The miami gusanos arare not a threat now that their pimp is shown to be a paper tiger
Just like the iranian gusanos were not a problem, and how china can afford to have powerless l8beral intelligentsia, subcapitalists and oppositioners around

>>2846940
>The miami gusanos arare not a threat now that their pimp is shown to be a paper tiger
The US may be unable to subdue Iran but they are still very capable of inflicting immense pain on Cuba. If anything the American humiliation in the Middle East will make them more aggressive towards Cuba to compensate.

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>>2846944
Well yeah, economic entanglement is a fetter, but on whom is a question of skill issue

Isn't this basically the same concerns that were voiced at china's reform and opening up?

I think the whole problem is the implicit chauvinism of treating the US as omnipotent
The actual threat is always of internal contradictions exploding, and this has always been US's strategy: sow chaos, until internal collapse.

"Opening up" also means removing US's big lever, and starting the messy process of managing the resulting contradictions, the bet being that a communist party is going to be better at this game

(Btw I just made all of that up on the spot)

>>2846728
Guatemalan Civil War
Venezuelan FALN Insurgency
Colombian Insurgency (FARC and ELN)
Che Guevara's Bolivian Campaign
Nicaraguan Revolution (FSLN)
The Tupamaros (Uruguay)
The Montoneros (Argentina)

>>2845616
bzzzz wrong

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>M-L humiliation century

I wonder what do Cubans think of China.

>>2846964
cuba is not china, they're an island in the carribbean, not a subcontinent with 1.4 billion people, and their leverage in economic dealings is proportional. besides that, reform and opening up has massively tied china to the us consumer market to the point where both countries are mutually dependent on the other. secondly, the fact that it's governed by a communist party doesn't say much at all about the actual content of the system. if they had to demolish the welfare system and wage equality which was considered the cornerstone of the cuban socialism, make workers more desperate for international capital to come in, with no immediate expectations of a socialist revolution in other countries which could then rejuvenate the domestic revolution, then functionally you're not dealing with a dotp, you're dealing with a capitalist country with a rump red party-state, even going by the watered-down state definition of socialism. i'm not making a normative judgment on the integrity of the politicians involved, it may be a good decision in light of the conditions cuba has faced over the past 6 months. but the basic economic facts remain the same and it would be cope to pretend that this is actually a victory or insignificant to the socialist character of the cuban economy

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>complete capitalist rape of a country is actually good if think about it
The absolute state of multipoltards.

>>2839777
>i genuinely believe socialism was supposed to alleviate people not sentence them to poverty
cubans are sentenced to poverty because they're cubans and for daring to live their lives in close proximity to the US, reforms will simply formalize their subservience.

Anyone wanna get revenge for Cuba against the United States?

>>2846267
>>2845616
Market enthusiast versus state lover
Horrible

>>2846416
The working class suffers defeat everyday. This here? It’s nothing. The world is falling apart, the working class suffers and dies in droves, and you’re here crying about some state that already strayed a good while ago? Chin up.

>>2847152
I want revenge for the proletariat

>>2847163
Enjoy your poverty and economic incoherence I guess

5 years from now there will be a cuban guy with a degree in cardiology serving a mojito to your boomer aunt and making more money in a week as a waiter than he would do in a year as a doctor, and some of you uyghurs will celebrate as victory for "socialism"

>>2847175
Those are already common occurrences under this mode production, and I am not enjoying either of them.

>>2839778
what even is the "state" in "state capitalism" here? They're practically axing oversight of resource distribution and leaving it up to markets?

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>>2845367
>how are you not majorly black pilled at this point

if the jacobins had to deal with the second and third republic then we can deal with a period of bad shit happening, even if i do not live to see communism or socialism, a DOTP or even a revolution in my countrty i want to at the very least help push the world in that direction

>>2845367
I am. It is in human nature for people with power to destroy and make socialism impossible within and outside of nations in their direct control
Also every single gringo who sells out their country to foreign capital is further proof that socialism is incompatible with human nature

>>2847242
>muh human nature

>>2847231
The oceans will boil away before China hits the communism button.

>>2843926
They haven't. They've done a mix where the SOEs are propped up to be a cushion for unemployment, but as a result are unproductive. These new reforms are just optimizations and ripping the band-aid off as a desperate measure.

>>2844440
The anon you were talking to was referencing the "jangmandang" system that emerged post-2000.

After the "arduous march", the state couldn't really prevent the markets from existing so it essentially gave up on them and allowed them to exist. However, this created a new problem because some of these private merchants started making so much money that they would lend money to SOEs to buy black-market items to fulfill quotas.
With covid, Kim rolled back on these markets and de facto legalized a certain form of state-enterprise autonomy. In essence, he allowed them to retain some parts of their revenue to reinvest and to produce more to sell on the market. In short a car-manufacture SOE might have to produce X amount of cars for the state to distribute in Y sector, but can also produce some extra cars and sell them to one of their clients if needed, albeit at a heavy tax. In the end, the state controls investment and distribution, but leaves relative autonomy for enterprise to fulfill unaccounted shortsights in the plan.

What you're describing on the other hand are SEZ. These were modeled after China in the early 2010s iirc and were meant as joint-ventures. They're "capitalist" islands within NK where private businessmen can operate with nominal legal guarantee of ownership.

>>2845156
  1. It projects submission to the US which eases up tensions
  2. The "innefeciencies" in planning were mostly a deliberate policy of the State to ensure a cushion for unemployment. Removing them in times of crisis can help the economy grow at the expense of poverty (albeit atp they're already so poor it won't matter much)
  3. A large part of the cuban population is pro-markets. This helps Diaz with PR.

>>2845367
Heh it's mostly because this has been the case since the 1980s. Since the mid 70s you've had occasional glimmers of hope soon-to-be killed, whether by the "AES" states or by capitalist nations. The USSR stopped being popular well before its failure in the 1990s. China and Vietnam have reverted to capitalism since the mid 1980s.
In the 1970s you had maoism, the 1990s were truly a dark period, the early 2000s saw the 08' bubble, the 2010s had a bunch of alt-left experiments at their peak (Rojava, Zapatistas, Maoist guerillas in India etc), we'll see what we have this decade but it doesn't look very good for liberals either.

>>2845616
This. Planning should only be used supply-side to : add a normative measure to wealth, correct externalities, democratize investments, and launch long-term projects. It's stupid to go beyond that and only results in adding an extra layer of abstraction that performs nothing.
History mostly aligns with this too, the greatest planning experiments have ironically been in capitalist countries like China, Japan, France, or in co-op capitalist entities like Mondragon and (partly) Yugoslavia.

>>2839833
The outcomes will be positive. The US and all capitalists tend to focus too much on short-term gains. If the Cuban government manages its economy effectively, it could adopt certain capitalist practices without relying on sanctions relief. Then, when the US declines economically in the future, Cuba could transition back to an even stronger socialist economy much more easily

>>2847362
Your explanation of the DPRK economy is flawed, regardless of one’s views on market socialism. That view of the “Jang” in the DPRK is the ROK interpretation and a NIS construct. Read the 20th volume of Kim Il Sung’s works, page 113. First, the “Jang” is not a capitalistic market, but a primitive holdover from feudal times. Second, it existed since the formation of the DPRK and is assisted by the state. It did temporarily become more extensive after the Arduous March due to weakness in the state distribution system, but the claim that it first emerged post-2000 is completely false. At the time the ROK manufactured a narrative about a turn to “liberalization” and “marketization” of the DPRK economy in order to give credence to the “Sunshine Policy”. Third, the DPRK never “gave up” on controlling excesses in the “Jang”, the currency reform of 2009 and increased centralization today prove the opposite. The rest of what you wrote is repeating an overblown NIS fantasy, the “Jang” exists due to issues of distribution, it has negligible influence over raw materials and production, (except for extremely small scale cases) that area is owned by the state. What you said about the SEZ is basically correct, but over time they have ended up more like trade centers with Russia and China than investment areas.

>>2847267
i don't give a fuck about china tbh i'm doing party work in a small shitty city

>cuba thread
>americucks demanding starving cubans hold out for…
>gavin newsome
>as china, vanguard of the international proletariat, stops at nothing to aid the oppressed peoples of the world
>except his permission
the fifth international

>>2848183
>as china, vanguard of the international proletariat, stops at nothing to aid the oppressed peoples of the world

despite that china won't do shit to help the cubans except send them more rice lol while they deal with constant blackouts and a potential invasion breathing down their necks.

>>2848192
read the sentence immediately after that, i don't think china has an interest in helping cuba

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>>2845616
>>2847362
>History mostly aligns with this too, the greatest planning experiments have ironically been in capitalist countries like China, Japan, France, or in co-op capitalist entities like Mondragon and (partly) Yugoslavia.
lol either collapsed or became irrelevant stagnating societies (only exception china but its going there) buckle up
>>2847362
why tf should you get your own house because you hate your dad? thats fucking retarded

>>2846299
>This site should be called libbypol at this point.
truke

"Tactically retreating" into surrender.

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>Cuban lawmakers unanimously approved sweeping reforms backed by the Communist Party and former leader Raul Castro that would privatize a vast swath of the country's socialist economy in a bid to survive punishing US sanctions https://reut.rs/4fVrYe2

<🇨🇺 Cuba’s National Assembly unanimously approved more than 175 economic reforms that would mark the largest shift away from the island’s state-dominated socialist model since the 1959 revolution.

>The measures would allow private banks, private real estate development, businesses with more than 100 employees, ownership of multiple companies, and the sale of state-owned property to both Cubans and foreign investors.

>President Miguel Díaz-Canel said Cuba was “not renouncing socialism” and the moves were not related to negotiations with the U.S. He said the reforms would be “beneficial” to the country amid decades of U.S. sanctions and a recent U.S. oil blockade that has pushed Cuba’s economy deeper into crisis.

<"Socialism is not egalitarian poverty. It is the intelligent management of wealth to eliminate poverty.

<Socialism is not the absence of a market. It is a market subordinated to socialist planning and the collective interest."

Is it officially over.

>>2849517
>
>>The measures would allow private banks, private real estate development, businesses
to be honest you can stop right here and say no more. It's over.

And again: seeds of this were already planted by:
  1. Khruschevite political economy turning it into a sattelite and not a self-sufficient economy (because that would be Stalinist. By contrast that is what DPRK did, after purging their Khrushchevites. They've also had comparatively more resilience).
  2. Cuban bureaucrat monopoly capitalist class telegraphed these 2026 reforms first with their reaction to the 90s crisis and then again with the 2019 reforms.

But some on here hate material analysis, Marxism, and love rose tinted glasses and copium.

>>2839674
>The measures would allow private banks, private real estate development

Literally the only two things that should not have been done have been done

>>2849572 (me)

I meant >>2849517

Is Cuba no longer based?

>I am convinced that more and more people will come to believe in Marxism, because it is a science. Using historical materialism, it has uncovered the laws governing the development of human society. Feudal society replaced slave society, capitalism supplanted feudalism, and, after a long time, socialism will necessarily supersede capitalism. This is an irreversible general trend of historical development, but the road has many twists and turns. Over the several centuries that it took for capitalism to replace feudalism, how many times were monarchies restored! So, in a sense, temporary restorations are usual and can hardly be avoided. Some countries have suffered major setbacks, and socialism appears to have been weakened. But the people have been tempered by the setbacks and have drawn lessons from them, and that will make socialism develop in a healthier direction. So don’t panic, don’t think that Marxism has disappeared, that it’s not useful any more and that it has been defeated. Nothing of the sort!

This isn’t a good thing as most nations Dont comeback from this though Cuba was forced into this position by the us and I really hope this is only temporary

It seems it is indeed truly over. In complete honest, its surprising how long it lasted, given extreme external pressure, limited possibilities for autarky & deep revisionist influences.

https://www.idcommunism.com/2026/06/cuba-approves-economic-changes-carrying-serious-risks-amid-the-us-imperialist-blockade.html

https://www.rizospastis.gr/story.do?id=13331910

>>2849550

I generally agree with you here MaoAnon, though with some minors caveats:

It's unlikely given Cuba's population & resource endowment that it could have easily achieved even an inefficient version of self-sufficiency.

That said, revisionism as far economic structure & functioning is concerned made everything worse & more unsustainable.

Its not even specialization or foreign investment that are the main capitulation or what Che himself argued so heavily against (both of those things can be mitigated with proper state control; The latter the USSR utilized during the 30s to acquire foreign tech & skills, generally taking over the ventures after a couple years).

Instead, it's enterprise/factory independence in terms of investment financing, supply chain decisions & product range.

The spectre of the Kosygin reform strikes again in all its decadence & degeneracy.

https://www.redstarpublishers.org/BlandRestoration.pdf

https://www.ushandsoffcubacommittee.com/uploads/3/7/7/8/37781147/che_guevara_the_economics_of_revolution_by_helen_yaffez-lib.org1_.pdf

>>2850410

*investment decisions & financing

Very Cool. There are no, at least to my knowledge decently sized interviews by him that are subbed in english.


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