There sad and disturbing development according to DropSiteNews.
https://x.com/dropsitenews/status/2065526500640645566🚨🇨🇺 BREAKING: Cuban President Miguel Díaz-Canel unveiled a sweeping set of economic reforms Friday, casting them as Cuba’s path through the crisis driven by a “criminal energy blockade” by the United States that has left the island nearly without fuel.
Only 1 oil tanker has reached Cuba in the past 5 months, Díaz-Canel said, a collapse that traces to January, when the U.S. captured Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and cut the flow of Venezuelan oil, then threatened tariffs on any country that supplied Cuba.
Havana now endures blackouts of up to 15 hours a day. Among the most devastating consequences of the U.S. policy is that the Cuban government has been forced to postpone tens of thousands of surgeries for its citizens.
The Cuban President today named national defense as the first priority, citing preparations under Cuba’s “Whole People’s War” doctrine. The full 2026 reform program includes:
🔹Enterprise & Markets
🔸 Overhaul the economic management system, easing the conflict between central planning and incentives for production
🔸 Grant state enterprises autonomy to set their own wages, dimensions, clients, and suppliers, use their profits freely, and enter the currency market directly [enterprise autonomy is a bad idea]
🔸 Loosen rules on non-state businesses, narrowing banned activities and widening shareholding
🔸 Fast-track approval of stalled private and state MSMEs (mipymes)
🔹 Decentralization & the State
🔸 Expand municipal autonomy, letting provinces import, export, attract foreign investment, and manage hard-currency income on their own
🔸 Restructure and shrink the state, cutting ministries and posts via a public draft law to reduce bureaucracy
🔹 Trade & Investment
🔸 Make foreign trade more dynamic, dropping mandatory intermediaries and favoring importers of raw materials over finished goods
🔸 Incentivize foreign direct investment, plus a new role for
Cuban-diaspora and resident-Cuban investors as economic actors [Whyyyy?????]
🔹 Agriculture & Food
🔸 Reform land use, giving land to those who will farm it, cutting idle plots, and opening input and currency markets to producers across all sectors
🔸 Pursue food self-sufficiency by streamlining bureaucracy for agricultural production
🔹 Fiscal, Monetary & Social
🔸 Shift fiscal policy so the budget no longer finances state-enterprise inefficiency [So make things worse for the state sector]
🔸 Redesign monetary policy and the foreign-exchange market, and strengthen the banking system
🔸 Reform wages in the budget sector and move from subsidizing products to subsidizing people
🔹 Energy & Transport
🔸 Expand renewable energy and electric mobility, including local EV assembly, to cut dependence on imported fuel
🔸 Ease vehicle import limits, favoring solar-charged electric vehicles
🔹 Tourism, Commerce & Labor
🔸 Revive tourism through new operators beyond the big foreign chains that have pulled out
🔸 Modernize domestic commerce with electronic invoicing and digital platforms
🔸 Protect young skilled workers with better pay and incentives to curb emigration
Let's hope those loyal to the communist cause in Cuba resist liberalization.
now to hear from the wrong-schizo about how this is a win and you are epsein
They can sell this as doing a Dengism. NK is lowkey doing the same thing btw.
>>2839680Yeah. And their economic system while sturdy clearly did not work post-USSR collapse. Reforms would be needed regardless of the outcome.
>>2839674>🔸 Incentivize foreign direct investment, plus a new role for Cuban-diaspora and resident-Cuban investors as economic actors [Whyyyy?????]because they can bring wares and dollars that cuban economy desperately needs
>>2839683> while sturdy it's anything but sturdy and it didn't really work before the collapse of ussr either or rather was artificially pumped up
>>2839679well call me epstein because i genuinely believe socialism was supposed to alleviate people not sentence them to poverty just to roleplay north korea for ideological reasons
i hope cubans get a chance to live normally
I read people posting "I dont have much hope left for cuba". Im at the "no hope left for cuban communism" stage. It seems more like they are trying to do controlled domilition and trying to transition to state capitalism as cleanly as possible. I wish them the best, no point in suffering for the sake of it.
>>2839777>well call me epstein because i genuinely believe socialism was supposed to alleviate people not sentence them to povertyI only wish that some lunatic has the chance to mash your head into tomatoe pulp. No one wants to be embargoed for 60+ years for "ideological reasons".
>>2839777>well call me epstein because i genuinely believe socialism was supposed to alleviate people not sentence them to poverty It did, but it's not magic. It can't overcome a physical lack of inputs caused by a blockade.
Why dont latinx countries just cuck out to the us and give economic concessions so they can build socialism in peace antaganizing the usa has never worked.
Cuba’s economic reforms are completely justified. Don’t get me wrong it fucking sucks that they have to do this but death is literally at their doorstep and no other country is coming to Cuba’s aid.
>>2839769Are there any remittances coming in at all from the Cuban-American diaspora or is that completely closed off?
>>2839801there are but ironically they are not limited by american sanctions as much as cuban custom office
although thanks to current crisis this might change for the better
>>2839769>because they can bring wares and dollars that cuban economy desperately needs.Giving Cuban-diaspora any economic power is pure stupidity. They are the enemies of the Cuban socialist state.
>Cuba’s economic reforms are completely justified. Don’t get me wrong it fucking sucks that they have to do this but death is literally at their doorstep and no other country is coming to Cuba’s aid.Cuba can survive. They survived the special period, they can survive whatever onslaught.
>>2839813>Cuba can survivehow about letting them live a little, wouldn't that be nice?
I think its fake news
>>2839821its not, they have been reforming for a while; to the point where there exists a petite-bourg class of cubans that are starting to resent the government. the only silver lining is that they seem to hate america as much the Communist party so maybe they'll stay loyal
>>2839791Whether they are justified or not is less important than what the outcome of this will be. No doubt the hope in the US is that even if the pressure doesn't destroy the government, these reforms will introduce and entrench counter-revolutionary elements that will destroy it at a later date.
>>2839786>Why dont latinx countries just cuck out to the us they are all already giga cucked what are you talking about
These are not entirely new developments. Cuba has been offering Cuban diaspora such things for a long time, but the blockade has prevented the diaspora from exploiting it.
Surrendering. Cuba is surrendering, there is no two ways about it, regardless of how it's worded.
But that's not the dishonor, or betrayal you paint it with. The Palestinian resistance was forced into a similar choice not long ago. When they were forced to give up the hostages and sign up a "ceasefire" which, in practice, amounted to concessions to NATO.
Again, not a dishonorable thing to do. It is us, the rest of the fucking world facetiously "upholding morale". Touting whatever excuses are formally given for the surrender, who are at fault. Because we gave them no choice. We told them:
>"Hey we will do literally nothing while you get genocided until you are entirely, physically unable to resist, crippled down to every last man,woman and child."
>"But you do you eh, we are proud of you! Keep up the martyrdom we love it!"
And eventually their rope ran out. There are no more material means to carry out the fight. Hamas did not "masterfully" negotiate shit on worthless paper before giving up the hostages to the superpower holding a gun to every single Palestinian in Gaza (and many outside). The PCC is not liberalizing out of their own will with a gun to their head either (Cubans may survive but the PCC will not, if the blockade is kept until actual societal collapse a la Haiti).
Stop pretending. You validate the claim of the imperialists,the hand holding the gun.
The part that I find sickening, is all the sycophantic, crocodile tears and praise for their martyrdom from the western "left" who forced the most oppressed into these choices by doing literally nothing about the oppressors, at home. Not even a blip on electoralism, nothing. The we praise them for surrendering or condemn them for not fighting harder for out entertainment.
>>2839860Doing Weather Underground stuff wouldn’t have made a difference and you know it
Or maybe we can all just admit that trying to do socialism next to the US is inherently a bad idea. Move to China.
>>2839866Agree.
My diagnosis is that we are all liberals now. And "multipolarism" means navigating the crisis into further liberalism. There is little incentive to oppose most of the imperialist agenda, if the calculus remains that the USA and NATO will exhaust themselves without reasserting US hegemony as the most profitable model. Developing extractive neocolonies is fine, it contributes to the future profitability of the new order while weakening the current one. But socialism?(or hidrocarbon/financial insecurity by rocking the petrodollar) Nobody wants that!
And we are watching it in real time.
>>2839880
In minecraft sever im joking fbi
It's over. North Korea is the only communist country remaining.
>>2839680>NK is lowkey doing the same thing btw.No it isn't.
DPRK has taken steps to remove the private market. Western media was even seething that crackdowns are the 'most extreme' it's ever been this year.
Last vestige of soviet social imperialism is gone, Vietnam will be next! Glory to Mao, death to Khruschevite revisionism
>>2839896vietnam's been no less capitalist than china for decades now, get with the times
>>2839902Vietnam is a rogue nazi Chinese province, it’s Asia’s Ukraine
>>2839674>Grant state enterprises autonomy to set their own wages, dimensions, clients, and suppliers, use their profits freely, and enter the currency market directly>Shift fiscal policy so the budget no longer finances state-enterprise inefficiencyI don't think this is necessarily bad. State-enterprise should be the most efficient they can in regards to certain criterias : delivering X product according to Y constraints.
There is a tendency amongst ML circles to confuse allocation and production. Where if allocation is hindered, this must necessarily mean that production is less consciously managed by the proletariat. This isn't true. Allocation is only coordination of the different sectors of production in regards to an overarching objective. Stalin's plannification for instance consciously underpaid farmers to extract more wealth to reinvest into industrialization.
On the other hand, simply having allocation where enterprise could by themselves allocate the goods serves only to add an extra layer of abstraction devoid of meaning
IF there is no overarching goal. This seems to be the case for Cuba : allocation serves the purpose of ensuring relative stability by being a cushion for unemployment, but now faces the threat of hindering too much productivity to the point it could destroy the entire productive process.
>>2839674Where is socialist China bros?
>>2842136Furthermore I'd add that efficiency is not simply something that can be discarded, it's a fundamental point about production. In the early stages of communism, the production cannot yet be alleviated from the reigns of necessity and must retain some form of M-A-M process. This is a simple fact imposed by reality : scarcity implies some form of distribution, and personal preferences can only cover opportunity-costs if they can translate into preferences.
Efficiency here means that more ressources are offered up for alternative production, and where people are satisfied with this choice. This is also why efficiency is important
when it is constrained by other conscious constraints : emissions of CO2, work-hours etc. Production, the "how", is still determined by the workers, but the ressources that can be freed up are not monopolized and are treated as free allocation for other ressources.
internationalism is fucking dead
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/cuba-unveils-major-reforms-amid-escalating-us-economic-siege
>Cuba's Communist Party has approved a sweeping package of economic reforms aimed at expanding investment opportunities and strengthening the country's economy as Havana seeks to confront mounting hardships caused by decades of US sanctions and the latest escalation of economic pressure from Washington.
>The measures were approved on Wednesday during an extraordinary plenary session of the Communist Party's Central Committee, where around 20 proposals for economic and social transformation were reviewed. The package was presented as one of the most significant economic updates in years and comes as Cuba continues to endure shortages of fuel, food, medicine, drinking water, and prolonged nationwide power outages.
>President Miguel Díaz-Canel has argued that the reforms are intended to modernize the country's economic model while preserving its socialist foundations, as the island faces increasingly restrictive US measures targeting its economy and energy sector.
>Former president Raúl Castro also endorsed the proposals, describing them in a letter to party members as "the most beneficial to the revolution at this time."
>Rather than presenting the reforms as a departure from socialism, Cuban authorities have framed them as a necessary response to sustained US economic aggression. Havana has long argued that Washington's blockade and sanctions are the principal drivers of the country's economic difficulties, limiting access to fuel, investment, international financing, and essential imports.
<Revolution through reform
>The latest reforms seek to mobilize domestic resources by expanding opportunities for private investment, encouraging greater participation by Cubans living abroad, and granting Cuban investors the same conditions afforded to foreign investors. Officials have also announced plans to streamline parts of the state by reducing ministries and public sector positions while giving greater autonomy to state-owned enterprises, which continue to account for roughly 80 percent of the country's economic activity.
>Private businesses, legalized in 2021 and permitted to employ up to 100 workers, are expected to assume a broader role within the economy under the new framework.
>Prime Minister Manuel Marrero Cruz stressed that the measures should not be interpreted as a retreat from the state's social commitments.
>"The reforms in no way imply relinquishing the social responsibility of the state," Marrero wrote on X.
>From Havana's perspective, the reforms are intended to reinforce the Revolution rather than weaken it by generating new sources of investment capable of sustaining Cuba's public healthcare, education, and social welfare systems despite continued external pressure.
<Defying US pressure
>The announcement follows months of intensified US measures targeting Cuba's economy, including restrictions affecting the island's energy supplies, which Cuban officials say have compounded fuel shortages and contributed to prolonged electricity outages across the country.
>A private supermarket owner in Havana, speaking anonymously to AFP, welcomed the changes.
>"I welcome any change that helps revive the dying patient," the shop owner said, referring to Cuba's struggling economy.
>While Washington has repeatedly called for changes to Cuba's economic model, Cuban leaders maintain that the objective of the latest reforms is not to dismantle socialism but to preserve national sovereignty and strengthen the country's resilience in the face of decades of US-led economic warfare. >>2843823So this is the power of multipolarity
>>2843835
The idea of building socialism in one country is doomed. Trotksy was right. Permanent revolution is the only way.
>>2843823that supermarket owner should be shot. also i dont unterstand it: they have been trying "the market" for years now and it never worked, why should it now? sanctions are not disappearing, their infrastructure has gone to shit, private businesses are the epitome of corruption and are just siphoning money away from other needed investment etc…
>>2843926>they have been trying "the market" for years nowHave they? I thought that was just recognizing the already existing informal economy, which is much tamer than this.
Good thing Cuba doesn't have a capitalist liberal democracy, and the proletariat is armed and ready to defend the revolution!
>>2844440My vague understanding is that the previous grey private ventures are being rolled up into state control. Not really sure what that looks like though on the ground.
>>2844459
Venezuela status?
>>2844364
Why does that have anything to do with if it is a compador state or not?
>>2844463
trvke
>>2844624What's the difference between you and a Trotskyite?
>>2844634Trotskyites would say they did so in the October Revolution. The point though is that Trotskyites suck because they constantly shit on AES. Maoists are Trots in denial tbh.
>>2844630The defense of the USSR under Stalin & The PRC under Mao would be big ones.
At the level of theory, a rejection of quick world revolution would be another. Probably a rejection of at least the stagist aspects of permanent revolution as well.
They're going to turn the island into a giant casino don't they?
>>2844748It will be batista's cuba but with pseudo democracy
>>2844730And how does that make any practical difference when neither the USSR or China exist?
Cuba has really taken steps backwards since Fidel, especially with the new constitution solidifying the tolerance of private property under a nominally socialist system, the biggest retreat yet. However, beyond critique of the party and state strategy of the PCC, it's still obvious that both people and party are willing to fight for socialism and its survival in Cuba. I would refrain from trotskyist "pick-and-choose" tactics of dogmatically and rigidly denouncing a socialist country on a whim because its policies are clearly going backwards, if only because it remains socialist (the working class is the primary force and mover in Cuban society, a socialist democratic system of council representation is in place, many of the Cuban revolution's achievements remain intact, the PCC holds a sober and orthodox view of Marxism-Leninism, hell, the party has remained committed to Marxism-Leninism even beyond the overthrow of the USSR etc.). Until an overthrow or invasion, Cuba will remain socialist.
Until then, criticize sure. I despise these mixed market tactics for one, it does not take a learned Marxist to see that capitulation to capitalist relations of production and the world system is a retreat from the process of constructing socialism, not a step forward. But America is currently strangling Cuba, and continue to do so. At least critical solidarity is necessary despite the criticism to not allow defeatism or bourgeois ideology to take hold deeper in society.
That's my two cents.
So, how will market reforms even help if the blockade remains in place?
>>2845156It will help the guys that had insider info and will buy state infrastructure for pennies to make a company
>>2845156They're probably hoping the Americans will take it as a sign of their willingness to play ball and ease the blockade. At this point though they should know that US imperialism is a rabid dog that can't be reasoned with.
>>2845225>US imperialism is a rabid dog that can't be reasoned with.There's also the fact, there's an incentive electorally, for Republicans to take the most hardline position possible, as the Cuban diaspora are out for blood, and revenge. And will make noise, if the US goes soft.
At this point the PCC might be forced to step away from power to come back in liberal elections later like FSLN
>>2844763>both people and party are willing to fight for socialism and its survival in Cubawhen's the last time you've been to cuba?
cuban socialism works about as well as venezuelan did, there's no reason to believe cubans are going to fight any harder than venezuelans did
>>2845241Cuba is not Venezuela. Cuba has Marxism-Leninism as a weapon, and has the Committees for the Defense of the Revolution.
>>2845244It’s a fucking small island with no natural resources of its own less than 100 miles from the capitalist hegemon, its union with America is natural and inevitable as China with Taiwan
>>2845251>It’s a fucking small island with no natural resources of its own less than 100 miles from the capitalist hegemon, its union with America is naturalThis is just defeatism.
>>2845260It’s the reality of multipolarism and Great Power Competition, you think any of that right of nations or non aligned nonsense was real?
>>2845265>It’s the reality of multipolarism>non aligned nonsenseI hate retards
So is it over or not?
>>2845269Cuba will be the new Puerto Rico and Taiwan will reunite with China, socialism is not going to happen in the western hemisphere, deal with it
>>2845265I think Cuba has the capacity to defend socialism, in a ruthless life and death struggle.
>"The dictatorship of the proletariat means a most determined and most ruthless war waged by the new class against a more powerful enemy, the bourgeoisie, whose resistance is increased tenfold by their overthrow (even if only in a single country), and whose power lies, not only in the strength of international capital, the strength and durability of their international connections, but also in the force of habit, in the strength of small-scale production. Unfortunately, small-scale production is still widespread in the world, and small-scale production engenders capitalism and the bourgeoisie continuously, daily, hourly, spontaneously, and on a mass scale. All these reasons make the dictatorship of the proletariat necessary, and victory over the bourgeoisie is impossible without a long, stubborn and desperate life-and-death struggle which calls for tenacity, discipline, and a single and inflexible will." – Vladimir LeninSo take your "multipolarism" elsewhere, while real socialists and communists, support the interests of socialism.
>>2845287did you know if you quote lenin that makes it true
>>2845279Badempanda is an anti communist moralist.
>>2845292You hide from moral criticism because you are western mafioso in denial, you subsist off the tears of children who mined the minerals in the device you post from
>>2845240i dont even think political reform will save Cuba tbh, the americans want TOTAL capitulation, and will settle for nothing less than a new government filled with florida cuban diaspora
>>2845292So the average contemporary ML?
>>2845367Because capitalism always creates new crises that new socialist movements can be born from
>>2844187yes, thats exactly what i mean. lack of central control and discipline leads to black markets ala corn man, it does not if you put it on paper or not if the state supports it anyway
>>2839674This is fine, planned economies are retarded. There are people in Cuba who are literally homeless because the family planning policies of the government means if you hate your dad and leave a shitty household you can't get a house because you aren't officially your own household. Shit like that is common accross Cuba because a fully planned economy can't respond to things organically like a market economy can. Aslong as they control the commanding heights they should normally be fine. I say normally because unlike China or Vietnam the USA is right next door and is going to try find any chink in the armor to inflitrate and do a color revolution. So while im fine with these reforms en principle doing it while Amerikkka is breathing down your neck is going to need perfect execution which im skeptical the Cuban government is able to execute. Also about the bit with the Cuban diaspora, yes alot of them are shitty Gusano fascists the reality is that it is through them alot of the money flows to Cuban households. The connections Cuban people have to them means alot of people in Cuba a financially reliant on them to keep themselves alfloat, its a complicated situation with no easy answer.
>>2845367The black pill is anti-imperialist hooligans
>>2845616If you're economy isn't planned then you're only planning a failed economy.
Start a communist revolution in a new country already
>>2846299Motherfucker allow me to be sad whenever the working class suffers a defeat
>>2846386It's for the best
>>2846386It sucks but it was easy to predict that they would eventually do this with their economic isolation. Making workers desperate and privatizing every profitable industry is an unfortunate necessity for most countries and Cuba wasn't doing enough of that.
>>2845298Damn, can't belive the isolated island nation didn't spread the revolution to it's neighbors
>>2846441Such a right wing cuck statement. No ruthlessness and teeth.
Lol @ the freaks having parasocial emotional investment in a country
>usa demonstrates it no longer can unilaterally impose its will on the global stage
>cuba lifts siege communism
>western leftist go full doomer about it
Lol
>>2846798When the first world did developmentalism they called them historically progressive, when we do it they call us social democrats
>>2846822I think the doomerposting about "betrayal" is (yet again) the western leftists giving themselves emotional license to stop caring about the blockade
>>2846798Yeah these guy are stupid. Cuban can't sustain itself being a tourist economy for EU progressives indefinitely unless they want to get #degrowthed then at the mercy of everyone.
It's already miraculous they managed to hold the island after 1991.
>>2846798who do you think cuba is bending to by adopting these reforms? i'm not extremely upset about it or calling it a betrayal, but let's be realistic here. do you think stripping the welfare system and further privatizing the cuban economy to please a bunch of gusano faggots from miami is "lifting siege communism"
>>2846913It means a shift in the calculus of power
The miami gusanos arare not a threat now that their pimp is shown to be a paper tiger
Just like the iranian gusanos were not a problem, and how china can afford to have powerless l8beral intelligentsia, subcapitalists and oppositioners around
>>2846940>The miami gusanos arare not a threat now that their pimp is shown to be a paper tigerThe US may be unable to subdue Iran but they are still very capable of inflicting immense pain on Cuba. If anything the American humiliation in the Middle East will make them more aggressive towards Cuba to compensate.
>>2846944Well yeah, economic entanglement is a fetter, but on whom is a question of skill issue
Isn't this basically the same concerns that were voiced at china's reform and opening up?
I think the whole problem is the implicit chauvinism of treating the US as omnipotent
The actual threat is always of internal contradictions exploding, and this has always been US's strategy: sow chaos, until internal collapse.
"Opening up" also means removing US's big lever, and starting the messy process of managing the resulting contradictions, the bet being that a communist party is going to be better at this game
(Btw I just made all of that up on the spot)
>>2846728Guatemalan Civil War
Venezuelan FALN Insurgency
Colombian Insurgency (FARC and ELN)
Che Guevara's Bolivian Campaign
Nicaraguan Revolution (FSLN)
The Tupamaros (Uruguay)
The Montoneros (Argentina)
I wonder what do Cubans think of China.
>>2846964cuba is not china, they're an island in the carribbean, not a subcontinent with 1.4 billion people, and their leverage in economic dealings is proportional. besides that, reform and opening up has massively tied china to the us consumer market to the point where both countries are mutually dependent on the other. secondly, the fact that it's governed by a communist party doesn't say much at all about the actual content of the system. if they had to demolish the welfare system and wage equality which was considered the cornerstone of the cuban socialism, make workers more desperate for international capital to come in, with no immediate expectations of a socialist revolution in other countries which could then rejuvenate the domestic revolution, then functionally you're not dealing with a dotp, you're dealing with a capitalist country with a rump red party-state, even going by the watered-down state definition of socialism. i'm not making a normative judgment on the integrity of the politicians involved, it may be a good decision in light of the conditions cuba has faced over the past 6 months. but the basic economic facts remain the same and it would be cope to pretend that this is actually a victory or insignificant to the socialist character of the cuban economy
>>2839777>i genuinely believe socialism was supposed to alleviate people not sentence them to povertycubans are sentenced to poverty because they're cubans and for daring to live their lives in close proximity to the US, reforms will simply formalize their subservience.
Anyone wanna get revenge for Cuba against the United States?
>>2846267>>2845616Market enthusiast versus state lover
Horrible
>>2846416The working class suffers defeat everyday. This here? It’s nothing. The world is falling apart, the working class suffers and dies in droves, and you’re here crying about some state that already strayed a good while ago? Chin up.
>>2847152I want revenge for the proletariat
>>2847163Enjoy your poverty and economic incoherence I guess
5 years from now there will be a cuban guy with a degree in cardiology serving a mojito to your boomer aunt and making more money in a week as a waiter than he would do in a year as a doctor, and some of you uyghurs will celebrate as victory for "socialism"
>>2847175Those are already common occurrences under this mode production, and I am not enjoying either of them.
>>2839778what even is the "state" in "state capitalism" here? They're practically axing oversight of resource distribution and leaving it up to markets?
>>2845367I am. It is in human nature for people with power to destroy and make socialism impossible within and outside of nations in their direct control
Also every single gringo who sells out their country to foreign capital is further proof that socialism is incompatible with human nature
>>2847231The oceans will boil away before China hits the communism button.
>>2843926They haven't. They've done a mix where the SOEs are propped up to be a cushion for unemployment, but as a result are unproductive. These new reforms are just optimizations and ripping the band-aid off as a desperate measure.
>>2844440The anon you were talking to was referencing the "jangmandang" system that emerged post-2000.
After the "arduous march", the state couldn't really prevent the markets from existing so it essentially gave up on them and allowed them to exist. However, this created a new problem because some of these private merchants started making so much money that they would lend money to SOEs to buy black-market items to fulfill quotas.
With covid, Kim rolled back on these markets and de facto legalized a certain form of state-enterprise autonomy. In essence, he allowed them to retain some parts of their revenue to reinvest and to produce more to sell on the market. In short a car-manufacture SOE might have to produce X amount of cars for the state to distribute in Y sector, but can also produce some extra cars and sell them to one of their clients if needed, albeit at a heavy tax. In the end, the state controls investment and distribution, but leaves relative autonomy for enterprise to fulfill unaccounted shortsights in the plan.
What you're describing on the other hand are SEZ. These were modeled after China in the early 2010s iirc and were meant as joint-ventures. They're "capitalist" islands within NK where private businessmen can operate with nominal legal guarantee of ownership.
>>2845156- It projects submission to the US which eases up tensions
- The "innefeciencies" in planning were mostly a deliberate policy of the State to ensure a cushion for unemployment. Removing them in times of crisis can help the economy grow at the expense of poverty (albeit atp they're already so poor it won't matter much)
- A large part of the cuban population is pro-markets. This helps Diaz with PR.
>>2845367
Heh it's mostly because this has been the case since the 1980s. Since the mid 70s you've had occasional glimmers of hope soon-to-be killed, whether by the "AES" states or by capitalist nations. The USSR stopped being popular well before its failure in the 1990s. China and Vietnam have reverted to capitalism since the mid 1980s.
In the 1970s you had maoism, the 1990s were truly a dark period, the early 2000s saw the 08' bubble, the 2010s had a bunch of alt-left experiments at their peak (Rojava, Zapatistas, Maoist guerillas in India etc), we'll see what we have this decade but it doesn't look very good for liberals either.
>>2845616This. Planning should only be used supply-side to : add a normative measure to wealth, correct externalities, democratize investments, and launch long-term projects. It's stupid to go beyond that and only results in adding an extra layer of abstraction that performs nothing.
History mostly aligns with this too, the greatest planning experiments have ironically been in capitalist countries like China, Japan, France, or in co-op capitalist entities like Mondragon and (partly) Yugoslavia.
>>2839833The outcomes will be positive. The US and all capitalists tend to focus too much on short-term gains. If the Cuban government manages its economy effectively, it could adopt certain capitalist practices without relying on sanctions relief. Then, when the US declines economically in the future, Cuba could transition back to an even stronger socialist economy much more easily
>>2847362Your explanation of the DPRK economy is flawed, regardless of one’s views on market socialism. That view of the “Jang” in the DPRK is the ROK interpretation and a NIS construct. Read the 20th volume of Kim Il Sung’s works, page 113. First, the “Jang” is not a capitalistic market, but a primitive holdover from feudal times. Second, it existed since the formation of the DPRK and is assisted by the state. It did temporarily become more extensive after the Arduous March due to weakness in the state distribution system, but the claim that it first emerged post-2000 is completely false. At the time the ROK manufactured a narrative about a turn to “liberalization” and “marketization” of the DPRK economy in order to give credence to the “Sunshine Policy”. Third, the DPRK never “gave up” on controlling excesses in the “Jang”, the currency reform of 2009 and increased centralization today prove the opposite. The rest of what you wrote is repeating an overblown NIS fantasy, the “Jang” exists due to issues of distribution, it has negligible influence over raw materials and production, (except for extremely small scale cases) that area is owned by the state. What you said about the SEZ is basically correct, but over time they have ended up more like trade centers with Russia and China than investment areas.
>>2847267i don't give a fuck about china tbh i'm doing party work in a small shitty city
>cuba thread
>americucks demanding starving cubans hold out for…
>gavin newsome
>as china, vanguard of the international proletariat, stops at nothing to aid the oppressed peoples of the world
>except his permission
the fifth international
>>2848183>as china, vanguard of the international proletariat, stops at nothing to aid the oppressed peoples of the worlddespite that china won't do shit to help the cubans except send them more rice lol while they deal with constant blackouts and a potential invasion breathing down their necks.
>>2848192read the sentence immediately after that, i don't think china has an interest in helping cuba
>>2845616>>2847362>History mostly aligns with this too, the greatest planning experiments have ironically been in capitalist countries like China, Japan, France, or in co-op capitalist entities like Mondragon and (partly) Yugoslavia.lol either collapsed or became irrelevant stagnating societies (only exception china but its going there) buckle up
>>2847362why tf should you get your own house because you hate your dad? thats fucking retarded
>>2846299>This site should be called libbypol at this point.truke
"Tactically retreating" into surrender.
>>2849517>>>The measures would allow private banks, private real estate development, businessesto be honest you can stop right here and say no more. It's over.
And again: seeds of this were already planted by:
- Khruschevite political economy turning it into a sattelite and not a self-sufficient economy (because that would be Stalinist. By contrast that is what DPRK did, after purging their Khrushchevites. They've also had comparatively more resilience).
- Cuban bureaucrat monopoly capitalist class telegraphed these 2026 reforms first with their reaction to the 90s crisis and then again with the 2019 reforms.
But some on here hate material analysis, Marxism, and love rose tinted glasses and copium.
>>2839674>The measures would allow private banks, private real estate developmentLiterally the only two things that should not have been done have been done
Is Cuba no longer based?
>I am convinced that more and more people will come to believe in Marxism, because it is a science. Using historical materialism, it has uncovered the laws governing the development of human society. Feudal society replaced slave society, capitalism supplanted feudalism, and, after a long time, socialism will necessarily supersede capitalism. This is an irreversible general trend of historical development, but the road has many twists and turns. Over the several centuries that it took for capitalism to replace feudalism, how many times were monarchies restored! So, in a sense, temporary restorations are usual and can hardly be avoided. Some countries have suffered major setbacks, and socialism appears to have been weakened. But the people have been tempered by the setbacks and have drawn lessons from them, and that will make socialism develop in a healthier direction. So don’t panic, don’t think that Marxism has disappeared, that it’s not useful any more and that it has been defeated. Nothing of the sort!
This isn’t a good thing as most nations Dont comeback from this though Cuba was forced into this position by the us and I really hope this is only temporary
It seems it is indeed truly over. In complete honest, its surprising how long it lasted, given extreme external pressure, limited possibilities for autarky & deep revisionist influences.
https://www.idcommunism.com/2026/06/cuba-approves-economic-changes-carrying-serious-risks-amid-the-us-imperialist-blockade.htmlhttps://www.rizospastis.gr/story.do?id=13331910>>2849550I generally agree with you here MaoAnon, though with some minors caveats:
It's unlikely given Cuba's population & resource endowment that it could have easily achieved even an inefficient version of self-sufficiency.
That said, revisionism as far economic structure & functioning is concerned made everything worse & more unsustainable.
Its not even specialization or foreign investment that are the main capitulation or what Che himself argued so heavily against (both of those things can be mitigated with proper state control; The latter the USSR utilized during the 30s to acquire foreign tech & skills, generally taking over the ventures after a couple years).
Instead, it's enterprise/factory independence in terms of investment financing, supply chain decisions & product range.
The spectre of the Kosygin reform strikes again in all its decadence & degeneracy.
https://www.redstarpublishers.org/BlandRestoration.pdfhttps://www.ushandsoffcubacommittee.com/uploads/3/7/7/8/37781147/che_guevara_the_economics_of_revolution_by_helen_yaffez-lib.org1_.pdf
>>2850410*investment decisions & financing
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