For a brief moment from 2016-2022 this was supposedly the pinnacle of online left-wing politics. Bernie was about to win, Democratic socialism was the future, China would inevitably democratize and the old boring MLism was dead. A few DSA-backed candidates winning city council seats in already progressive districts was treated as if the Bolsheviks had just stormed the Winter Palace.
The most ridiculous part was that the supposed divide between the Dirtbag Left and the DSA left barely existed. They agreed on healthcare, labor, foreign policy, housing, policing and virtually every other major issue. The defining ideological conflict of the era was essentially whether you were allowed to make edgy 90's raunch comedy jokes on podcasts. Entire feuds and endless Twitter meltdowns emerged from a disagreement that amounted to "can you say slurs ironically?"
The confidence was incredible, leftist genuinely talked as if DSA-aligned leadership of every major American city was inevitable, as if Bernie was one good news cycle away from the White House and as if a handful of podcasts by stand up comedians had somehow cracked the code of political history.
In retrospect, it all seems absurd. There was never a realistic path to any of it. The movement's grandest ambitions had essentially zero chance of materializing.
Then reality intervened. Bernie lost, The post-COVID world arrivedm Housing crises worsened, Migration became politically explosive, Major wars returnedm China didn't democratize and instead looked increasingly capable of navigating long-term crises without becoming a Western liberal democracy and the assumptions underlying the entire scene collapsed one by one.
A lot of the old supporters ended up as tankies. A smaller but noticeable number drifted toward the far right. Sometimes they somehow became both at once. The aesthetic transformation is almost as funny as the political one, the old Dirtbag Left revolved around schlubby podcasters making jokes about being ironically gay, the people who inherited its audience are often obsessed with MMA, military history, geopolitical realism and posting shirtless workout photos. The few remaining loyalists seem to have finally realized that their politics were never meaningfully different from the DSA's in the first place and appear perfectly content settling into the role of ordinary progressive liberals.
What a strange, stupid little farce that was.
50 posts and 6 image replies omitted.>>2849562>>2849589>>2849595No wonder Hasan ended up being the only guy from online leftist politics who actually got anywhere. Everyone else was either making BreadTube video essays about how children’s movies from the 2000s were secretly socialist or they were degens like this.
>>2849606The political right has had the opposite problem, too many meatheads, Instagram models and CTE-ridden martial artists and too few writers, original thinkers, or independent political organizers.
>>2849606Adam Friedland has a show where he interviewed a raging Zionist politician and pushed back on his narrative at every step. It's astounding that him of all the people on cumtown is the most successful. It almost makes me proud of the little bug.
Stav has a decent following and a boring podcast, but he collabs with hasan quite a bit.
Nick is my best friend.
>>2849610Stav is much bigger (lol) than Adam and Nickm purely in terms of numbers and followers he is vastly more popular.
>>2849613Let me know when Stav gets anyone with wikipedia page longer than 2 scrolls on his podcast, or gets material beyond crowd work for 40 minutes.
>>2849606>No wonder Hasan ended up being the only guy from online leftist politics who actually got anywhere.hasan had every single thing going for him: he's related to media people, went to a good school and interned at some CIA thing, he's consistent with his schedule, has monetized practically every waking hour of his day, isn't afraid of compromising his politics a little bit for insider access into the democratic party machine and is incredibly hot. from the chapos the only one who has sort of glowie connections is will menaker, every single chapo has strictly separated their podcast from their personal life, and the chapos pretty much wanted nothing to do with dems after canvassing for bernie, thus they were cast aside. people here don't believe me but they would have been insanely big IF bernie had won the primary, they would've been A LOT more cozy with power.
>>2849620>they would have been insanely big IF bernie had won the primaryThat's kind of my personal alt-history scenario, the one I've thought about the most. I don't even care that much about the geopolitical side of it. What I'm interested in how much it would have changed popular culture, the political battle would've shifted almost entirely to mainstream liberals versus a loose mix of Bernie supporters and trolls who mostly just wanted to annoy liberals. That dynamic already existed in real life, but in either of those scenarios I think it would've become the defining political conflict in the late 2010's.
>>2849606there's no incentive to be anything but a grifter. the deprogram guys are a bit to the left of hasan but they aren't as chadly and charismatic.
>>2849718hakim absolutely does not carry himself well, second thought is vague, overproduced and uncontroversial enough to carry his 2m (the majority of which, let's face it, are socdem/demsoc types) and yugopnik seems to be a fair bit more personable and (following that) takes himself a little less seriously
i haven't paid attention in about half a decade but last i remember he makes it no secret he's balls deep stalin/nk/gadaffi/tianamen/etc. truth which just isn't going to catch on
>>2849745>i haven't paid attention in about half a decade but last i remember he makes it no secret he's balls deep stalin/nk/gadaffi/tianamen/etc. truth which just isn't going to catch onOn his twitter he has frequent crossover with ACP types and he does seem sympathetic to nationalist causes
>>2849766strange route to go down considering how much hasan's taken a liking to him, it's not like they can offer him much
>>2849748weird how someone with such fringe opinions is so uncombative
>>2849610That interview was something else, it was like talking to a lizard.
>>2849606Pretty easy to get big in "the business" when you dickride zionist democrats
only read first sentence, TRVE! tho
>>2849629>What I'm interested in how much it would have changed popular culture, the political battle would've shifted almost entirely to mainstream liberals versus a loose mix of Bernie supporters and trolls who mostly just wanted to annoy liberals.Nothing much would have changed. Anybody with any type of socialist/anti-imperialist convictions that refused to sell out would have been pushed out of the spotlight by the literal CIA plants that made up Breadtube.
>>2848751>Makes you wish they remained demsocsI just want to skip to where these people get over their commie phase altogether and end up like Van Jones. I'm tired of idiots wasting their time trying to recreate the New Communist Movement but even more deranged. At least do something DIFFERENT for once.
These Bernie radlibs are still with us, they just went in the following trajectory the last couple of years:
Bernie coping -> clinical depression / disregarding Bernie's call to vote for Hillary, then Biden -> Coping with spectacles, Japan soyfacing turns into China soyfacing -> Hasanabi clicking, donating -> Voting for the Democrats (Bernie/AOC/Mamadani/Platner/Stavros/Piker Industrial Compex)
>>2849796It seems so, yet somehow not of the stupid variety that punches towards MLM
Which frankly makes him even
more commendable
>>2847690Is it true that DSA is anti-gun or is it just rightoid propaganda?
>>2855251Some became third-worldists to cope
I don't know what China really has to do with it at all but we are clearly trapped in the cycle with Mamdami. People should have learned its a sham by now but we can't seem to get seem past the impulse to "takeover" the democrats when its is clearly the democrats sheepdogging you.
>>2855251> Japan soyfacing turns into China soyfacing ?????
i think you're getting your subcultures mixed up, there's no necessary link between weebs and bernie bros and china dickriders.
>>2855558All the "greatest minds" of "ML" (whatever that even means to retards anymore) in the anglosphere will let you know, beamed into your retinas.
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>>2848793
Thanks for the Grayzone-Patel collab! I had forgotten about that!
>>28556073*
u sure bout that?
>Hasan Piker: One Piece is the Most Political Anime Every Madehttps://youtu.be/WMXaOfTfQUE>Hasan sings Red Sun in the Sky (but in Japan this time)https://youtu.be/Q-nwU2a3JmM>[Hasan reacts to AI of him as Mao singing Red Sun in the Sky by saying "yoo" and "this is soo sick!"] https://youtu.be/kE9mfXj9x_M >>2855263The DSA itself doesn't really have a stance on it, but there's overlap of the DSA and Socialist Rifle Association.
>>2856098>>[Hasan reacts to AI of him as Mao singing Red Sun in the Sky by saying "yoo" and "this is soo sick!"] One of the most insufferable things about him is the pathalogical need to watch and react to anything that mentions or contains him. This guy will watch any piece of media he's referenced in. Any piece of media about him. He'll watch hour+ long interviews OF HIMSELF without a hint of irony.
It's honestly insane.
>>2856475I am sorry but what? At the time when this clip happened Hasan already was the most watched American streamer by total watch hours for several years.
>>2849745>overproducedSo that's why his channel is having financial issues.
>>2856475what put him on the map is his uncle is chunk yogurt of the young turks, also he dated porn stars
>>2856098>u sure bout that? cuz hasan said blah blah blahyour random example doesn't mean anything statistically significant
>>2856415part of getting a lot of attention is being a narcissist and this guy's job is to get attention and give attention to the things giving him attention
>>2856415>streamer is a narcissistI mean isn't it practically a requirement of the job? put yourself on camera and yap for hours, gotta have a significant ego or you probably wouldn't bother doing it except as a hobby
Looks the dirtbag left LEFT to get the BAG ($$$).
>>2856792Don't go into debt for your daddy who doesnt know you exist now. gl bud
>>2856475what put him on the map is saying america deserved 7/11
>>2849718>cruise ships cause more emissions then carsEither he is completely ignorant on this or wilfully misrepresenting shit.
The fact that wokeness just about disappeared after Trump's reelection kinda reinforces that we all never actually believed in it
>>2847690It needed to happen. It was part of the nascent left breaking from neoliberals.
>>2893069I think some paper years ago said cargo ships emit more so2 or nitrogen oxides than millions of cars and then through a game of telephone people said it releases more co2 than millions of cars, or all cars. I'm not sure, though.
FUCK.
Stavros used to be so much skinnier, even when he was still fat.
>For a brief moment from 2016-2022 this was supposedly the pinnacle of Reddit
fixed it for you.
the real "pinnacle of left-wing politics" is always right now, this present moment in time, because true social progress isn't measured by the random eccentricities of the cultural zeitgeist but by what humans actually learn about themselves and the world which cannot be unlearned. if ever we repeat the mistakes of the past then it means we didn't really learn anything, we just thought we did and we were being arrogant and overconfident in our own abilities and myopic about what was really going on in the world. there's a reason why white liberals were shocked and apalled and literally breaking down into tears and hanging themselves when trump got elected, whilst immigrants and poor black people were not the least bit surprised and it was just business as usual to them.
>>2903832Your right, but I always associated dirtbag left with twitter more then reddit.
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