/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

honestly though, how do you not die of shame

>>2852619
I don't feel pride for attending failed protests, I am sustained by spilt firstie blood.

""Leftcoms"" fear and covet my power to speak the truth and make people impotently salty, offering nothing but petty insults. That's why they brag about making "campists seethe". But they merely try to replicate my results, and they have to grossly misrepresent Marxism through a lens of Christcuckery, and argue in bad faith. I don't.

>>2852624
>tsk nothin personal kid
damn you're hardcore, i didnt know

>>2852628
After Holden Bloodfeast's, my turn.

getting painful to read. have a glass of water and a nap

>>2852633
Maybe a vodka too, fuck it, smoke some heroin off tin foil

>>2852651
drink some cough syrup, eat a stick of butter and go for a walk at midday. shit your pants and take the first bus home

have four tins of wintergreen altoids, drop an eckyy, neck a shot glass of prune juice and have five espressos and call an uber and tell him to drive down as many high ways as he can

>>2852681
to me it feels disrepectful to post Pimp C in this thread
i like everyone involved in that video too much to reference them when talking about either Sakai or trying to force myself to defecate on public transport

Log off

>>2852567
So we're counting electoralist social democrats as 'revolution' now? By that logic plenty of places in the first world have also had socialist revolution, like New York

>>2852693
You’re right I should have posted Future but even that is 10 years out of date

>>2852726
what about big moe

>>2852733
If you respect UGK too much to smile while thinking about hearing them as you sip a pint of codeine and shitting yourself on a public bus the same should apply to anyone Screwed Up Clique

>>2852735
you're right to correct me about this. thank you comrade

For some reason people think revolution = marxist leninist one party state. No, revolution is the shifting of the mode of production from capitalism to communism. In that sense the one party state is the most efficient at it when combined with a socialist market economy as evidenced by China accelerating exponentially towards full automation. Most one party states were constructed by hijacking the capitalist revolutionary wave of overthrowing old feudal structures, an alliance between the communists and revolutionary peasants for the most part. Now that feudalism has mostly been defeated throughout the world the room for huge political shifts into a one party state apparatus has been exhausted mostly. Third-Worldism is correct because it understands that the imperial core has no revolutionary potential due to imperialism. In the Third-World there is still some semblance of this revolutionary energy so an overthrow of bourgeois political control is still possible in different areas.

But truthfully that is quickly evaporating itself as evidenced by the defeat of the maoists in India and the Philippines. The good news is that communism is clearly starting to arrive in force with the rise of automation and ai, so as a result the most revolutionary action any communist can do in the first world right now is doing their best to help rip the use of AI and automation from the hands of the bourgeoisie and place it into the hands of the proletariat. But for some reason modern twitter communists would rather wax on about AI being satan rather than the liberatory force it actually is.

Thus, as a result of a lack of real revolutionary potential at this moment most people have turned towards alternative theories for the radical restructuring of the current order. In this the most promising horizon is China and the BRICS challenging the current imperial hegemony and attempting to accelerate the world towards communism faster by supporting less bourgeois controlled autocratic political structures (even if they aren't distincly Marxist-Leninist). It is a battle of incremental progress towards communism in the form of the BRICS and nomenklatura states or actively delaying communism as long as possible in the form of the NATO imperial domination and bourgeois liberal democracy. Which is why Third-Worldism is becoming more and more popular, it is the most logical conclusion for any modern Marxist who faces the overwhelming power of the labor aristocracy and imperialism in the first world.

>>2852892
> overwhelming power of the labor aristocracy
this is one of the silliest parts of the theory. if the labor aristocracy are a group with overwhelming power why do they need to be bribed off? since if they are powerful the proletariat of their nature would be no threat to them. remember that the bribery isn't supposed to create a labor aristocracy but rather to motivate the 'bourgeosified' workers to be more militant in defending their privileges. but at the same time as this if they are powerful why do the bribes work? since if they are such an overwhelmingly powerful block inside an imperial nation just buying them off with fleeting spoils wouldn't work

lenins theory is correct for its time because it describes the motives of bourgeoisified workers without denying that those workers are still proletariat. TW-ism misreads Lenin's analysis quite badly and emotionally and creates a class of people who are once so powerful they can stop a revolution of all united minorities in their nation but they are also so weak that they can be bought with cheeseburgers and cartoons.

in reality the labor aristocracy would be a very fragile class who could easily get rugged by their masters. this is what makes them easily motivated against immigrants and minorities and culture war Villain of the Week. you have to think about what makes them vicious and easily directed. don't think pampered treatlers - think junkyard dogs who get thrown meat and kicked alternately to make them aggrieved but loyal

when you mention AI it is an example of this. a lot of liberals with low paid jobs that they think deserve high social status are increasingly turning to delusional anti-science and anti-computer opinions derived from pop culture like Warhammer and Dune out of fear and grievance of their status being taken by the machine. Only I am Supposed To Be Able To Draw Realistic Superheroes - if poors and third world people can use a computer to make art too, it is fake art because I am not respected. What if someone on their phone can make a hit indie game About Identity and Trauma too? the fragile nature of labor aristocracy is exposed in those attitudes more than what the big maroon upthread called "limitless consumption" - its not limitless if it can be taken away, and its the taking away that counts for mobilizing trade unions and socdems against minorities and internationalism

TW-ism correctly identifies the nodes and the general direction and has something of the right direction but it takes all these insights and turns it into an apocalyptic revenge fantasy thats more Nietzsche than Marx (its one true connection to postcolonialism)

"revolutionary energy" is a straight mystification and a bit racist tbh.

>>2852915
labor aristocracy is also not skilled or well-paid workers. when marxists referred to labor aristocracy before ww1, they usually meant the high rungs of the trade unions which possessed significant sway over the labor movement and dragged it towards conservative economistic struggles and managerialism. the consequences of this were playing out from the 50s to the 70s, today we are long past the decline of unions, with union membership as a percentage of total workforce oscilating around 10-20% and mostly remaining in the public sector in most places which had a large union movement in the xix and xx centuries. i wish more marxists investigated the terms they use beyond the surface level

>>2852956
>>2852915
Why would anyone making 40,000 and above with a 401k and health insurance risk revolution? Losing their job, going to prison

>>2852567
>Here comes the part where you raise your standards so that nobody, not even Lenin or Mao, were real socialists
It's not raising any standards to say that communists being elected to run a bourgeois state isn't a revolution. Lenin and Mao would have said the same thing. Best of luck to those comrades in Sri Lanka but they will need to carry out a comprehensive transformation of the state apparatus in order to transform it into a DotP. I'm sure they're well aware of this and don't consider their election to have accomplished it.

The “communists” you guys are praising in Sri Lanka were coalition partners in the government that did the genocide at Elephant’s Pass, everything the Israelis did and are doing in Gaza was also done in Tamil Eelam.

>>2853005
thats also because israel had deep links to sri lanka

>>2852992
i don't know. ask lenin why he traded his comfy job prospects as a lawyer to pursue socialist revolution. ask british socialists why they advocated for the abolition of capitalism in a country where workers were much better off compared to indian workers. why do people do anything other than eat and sleep?

>>2853019
That’s one guy who got lucky

>>2852956
exactly.
if the term has relevance today it is noticing who is joining and running unions and governing "labor politics" in the present world and the positions they hold within public service, academia and media.

TW-ism holds explicitly that the western working class are not proletarian and not exploited. these are both anti-marxist positions that reduce exploitation and proletariat to just emotive words without a technical meaning. Lenin is explicit that the labor aristocracy are proletarian and not bourgeois. only bourgeois inside the proletariat. they are still in an uncertain and risky position. therefore bribing them with privileges (and not just consumption or treats) is effective because it gives them something that they lack. to the extent that that will now fight to define it. TW-ism just plays word games around this and selects things based on how emotive they are

the one trap is going from a principled critique of TW-ism to saying labor aristocracy is just another name for PMC. it isnt and cant be. >>2852992

this same argument can be made about any class who went to revolution. why would they since they have X perk or lack X drawback compared to another group? every group of people can be made too look privileged compared to another group if you want to make bad faith comparisons. the grass is always greener or less greener. this is just word games.

bringing up 401k or freedom from prison or war is just "but capitalism made your iPhone" from a different direction of social conservativism/individualism. please consider the historical links between European Maoism and the emergence of "Horseshoe Theory" bullshit and think about how online TW-ism and ReadSettlers garbage is just the same thing cleaned up for a smugger, less well read generation

>>2853019
"i am a third worldist who believes no one will give up their comfortable privileged lives and cultured existence for the good of revolution"

"who are your heros?"

"Lenin and Mao"

beyond parody

>>2853037
>why would they since they have X perk or lack X drawback compared to another group?
Mfs forget that the bourgeois revolutions were literally led by an emerging class that occupied an upper-middle rung of income and wealth in the 18th and early 19th centuries. The guys who chopped King Louis' head off were not poor.

>>2853038
Those are exceptions that prove the rule

>>2853041
>mfs forgot
mf havent read marx they just like how his terminology makes they feel

>>2853042
is this the scientific materialism ive heard so much about

also "prove the rule" means test the rule

it just be like that some times

>>2853043
The bast majority of lawyers and librarians are neither Stalin nor Mao nor do they have any interest in being such

>>2853041
And now that same landowning class comprises 50% of us population
What, are they gonna chop off their own heads?

Or you can just admit you were wrong the whole time and the age of “revolution” is over entirely

I wonder what the average age of a leftypol user is nowadays considering its always just the most low-quality threads that keep bumping while any and all threads requiring just a little bit of Marxist theoretical literacy gets slid like a puck on ice down the catalog

>>2853070
the vast majority of homes never burn down
throw away your fire alarm

>>2853076
1871 Paris Commune
1915 Jangal Movement (Persian Socialist Soviet Republic)
1916 Easter Rising (Ireland)
1917 October Revolution (Russia)
1918 Finnish Civil War
1918 Canadian Labour Revolt
1918 Aster Revolution (Hungary)
1918 German Revolution of 1918–1919
1919 Hungarian Soviet Republic
1921 Mongolian Revolution
1923 September Uprising (Bulgaria)
1923 Hamburg Uprising (Germany)
1924 Tatarbunary Uprising (Romania)
1924 Estonian coup d'état attempt
1927 Chinese Communist Revolution (Chinese Civil War, 1927–1949)
1932 Salvadoran peasant uprising
1935 Brazilian communist uprising
1936 Spanish Revolution of 1936
1941 Yugoslav People's Liberation War (1941–1945)
1942 National Liberation Movement in Albania (1942–1945)
1942 Hukbalahap Rebellion (Philippines, 1942–1954)
1944 Bulgarian coup d'état
1945 August Revolution (Vietnam)
1945 Saigon Commune
1946 First Indochina War (1946–1954)
1946 Greek Civil War (1946–1949)
1946 Telangana Rebellion (India, 1946–1951)
1948 Czechoslovak coup d'état
1948 Jeju uprising (South Korea, 1948–1949)
1948 Communist insurgency in Burma (1948–1989)
1948 Malayan Emergency (1948–1960)
1948 Madiun Affair (Indonesia)
1953 Cuban Revolution (1953–1959)
1955 Vietnam War (1955–1975)
1959 Laotian Civil War (1959–1975)
1960 Guatemalan Civil War (1960–1996)
1961 Angolan War of Independence (1961–1974)
1961 Nicaraguan Revolution (1961–1979)
1962 Communist insurgency in Sarawak (1962–1990)
1963 Les Trois Glorieuses (Congo-Brazzaville)
1965 Communist insurgency in Thailand (1965–1983)
1968 Cambodian Civil War (1968–1975)
1968 Communist insurgency in Malaysia (1968–1989)
1969 Corrective Move (South Yemen)
1969 Somali coup d'état
1970 Teoponte Guerrilla (Bolivia)
1971 JVP insurrection (Sri Lanka)
1971 Sudanese coup d'état
1972 Benin coup (People's Republic of Benin)
1974 Carnation Revolution (Portugal)
1974 Ethiopian coup d'état
1978 Saur Revolution (Afghanistan)
1979 New JEWEL Movement (Grenada)
1983 Upper Voltan coup d'état (Burkina Faso)
1996 Nepalese Civil War (1996–2006)

>>2853138
2020 CHAZ Seattle Washington

>>2853138
counterargument:

>>2853141
kek

do any anons know if their are there any third-worldist orgs operating in the global south? we should just shoot them an email real quick.

>>2853138
>That drop off by the '70s
Kill every capitalist roader

>>2853131
Ir you can just admit the proletariat is nothing but another bourgeois in the making no matter where they are

>>2853075
>And now that same landowning class comprises 50% of us population
I know you're not stupid enough to try and claim that owning a house you personally live in is the same as owning a feudal estate worked by peasants that pay you rent. You can't possibly be that retarded right?

>>2853184
To the innocent Afghanis you tortured and butchered it’s a distinction without a difference

>>2853189
Moralism

>>2853138
Everything after 1924 are capitalist revolutions.

>>2853167
except that is not true. due to the relationship between labor, struggle and production the opposite is true
the proletariat remain proletariat no matter how many wollipops and sweeties you give them
both the guevara and lenin quoted in this thread show this
even the extreme state of an imperial 'labor aristocracy' when that formation was at the height its influential they still stress that they are bourgeoisified proletariat not proletariat that got made into bourgeois by the magic of ressentiment
this is fundamental to understanding solidarity and the lack of it. also fundamental to understand why the previous successful revolutions were bourgeois revolutions
we have the choice of thinking critically and looking at how communists concepts were assembled and used
or we can use the words that feel good to use, in the way that feels like it matches up to the world around us

otherwise its the hypocrisy of saying "one divided into two" except the homogeny that i perceive around myself. that is a natural whole and cannot be changed. very convenient and accounts for why TW-ism is a phenomenon of US universities and not global south agriculture or mining