>free universal healthcare
>free college
>very high HDI
>GDP increased by SEVEN times since 1990
>trade surplus without engaging in mercantilism
>low crime, high social cohesion
>only economy in EU to not suffer from 2008 financial crisis
>didn't pretend to be socialist while achieving all this
Poland is underrated.
All this and they still need to work in Western Europe 9 months per year
>>2857053No the amount of emigration has massively decreased
>>2857060It proves capitalism works to develop productive forces and create harmonious socially-cohesive low-crime society with free healthcare and free college (two things even China cant achieve)
Wow you mean when succesfull high taxes places like France, Benelux, Sweden, Germany and Denmark gives you free money at the expense of their own citizen your economy does well?
>>2857069>leftoid doesn't understand investment, long-term planning, win-win economics or basic statisticsJust like the West poured in trillions into third world countries to take advantage of labor arbitrage and increased export markets, so did they do the same in Poland. Both benefited from this win-win arrangement. Poland judiciously used the money to supercharge growth and provided cheap, efficienct and productive labor for Western countries, while also expanding their domestic market to accomodate increased imports from Western countries.
>>2857071I am actually an esoteric nazi
>>2857046>Glazing a traitor liberal country.>Healthcare Insurance basedHow is anything you wrote relating to socialism?
If you you want to glaze a capitalist European country. Glaze Belarus. The last european social democracy.
>>2857071Dengist Poland will soon be real
>>2857082>below kazakhstanthis is the best zcucks have
Ultras hate Poland even though it's a historically progressive nation, develops productive forces and trades with Israel. Anarkiddies and leftcoms are as always btfo by the reality that China invests in Poland as a fellow socialist state and by 2100 there will be free housing.
>>2857102True, Europe faces only one alternative: Either Asian barbarism, under the leadership of the Muscovites, will come down on Europe like an avalanche, or Europe must restore Poland and thereby protect itself against Asia with a wall of 20 million heroes, to win time for the consummation of its social transformation.
>>2857102>historically progressive nationAh yes, the hotbed of reactionary politics and the country with the second-harshest abortion laws in Europe, and with “LGBT-free zones” is now “progressive”. Yikes, left-slop has really taken over this space.
>>2857046Aren’t you the pro-trans pro-hohol nazbol?
Surprised you’d like Poland considering how it’s a haven for transphobes.
Anyway, how confident are you about the current centrist-leftist government in the country, or do you think it will soon get displaced by PiS, the mainstream right-wing party?
>>2857109The rise in GDP per capita in Poland is impressive considering how it’s set to outpace the UK on that. But I wonder if it will be able to sustain that growth without heavily divesting away from the secondary sector towards heavy investments in the tertiary one, considering how its birth rates and TFR are falling which is less sustainable for an industrial economy predicated on infinite growth, as opposed to an economy dominated by the FIRE sector.
>>2857102>Ultras hate Poland even though it's a historically progressive nationEven going by the most non-moralfag non-chauvinistic interpretation i can't see how it's possible given the existence of the Polish nation was mainly helped by France and Britain with the specific goal of kneecaping German, Swedish and Russian expansion which would not be historically progressive in that context.
You could make a better argument for the third reich being historically progressive as it basicalle ended colonialism in Africa and Asia, both being extremely historically regressive events as they prevented the places from modernizing.
Belgium have a better argument being a historically progressive nation than fucking Poland.
>>2857046Only a complete ameribrained retard would think Poland is socialist because free healthcare and education.
>>2857108TRVKE
>>2857109The government in Poland currently isn't actually center left. They are a center right party that mostly coasts off discontent with PiS and tries to loot state coffers during controversies in lieu of any actual plan for governing the country, which is why they're probably going to lose to PiS or Konfederacja in next parliamentary elections. The only honest center left party in Polish politics is Razem, but they're not winning an election any time soon. As for legal status of LGBT people, it's not that bad by Eastern European standards. Occasionally there's a lot of noise about them, but it's mostly an election slogan for the cultural right.
>>2857115Marx said it was progressive because most of the Polish independence movement was made up of republican and socialist forces against Prussian and Russian despotism. I was (perhaps not obviously) joking in saying it's a historically progressive country.
>>2857109>second-harshest abortion laws in Europe, and with “LGBT-free zones”i hate poland but when did we start caring about idpol shit like that?
>>2857117Sweden is now more capitalist than ever, even in the libertarian sense:
https://xcancel.com/RichardHanania/status/2054336629721137352It’s OVER for Ameri-libtards.
In all seriousness though, this trend is becoming continent-wide. It won’t be long before America looks like the USSR in comparison to the EU, especially as there’s great internal pressure within the GOP and the Democrats to abandon neoliberalism.
>>2857061Sure if you get massive gibs from the EU while seething about it the whole time lmao.
>>2857140Those gibs were given in exchange for demolishing industry and becoming Germany's economic periphery.
>>2857139Awww is the Pshek upset?
>>2857144Not really just surprised at the extent of parochialism and mongol schadenfreude inherent to ruzzian nationalism. Given that my country is a place where people want to live rather than the dustbin of history and a designated shitting street for resource companies I think it's clear that you probably have more reasons to be upset at the consequences of ruzzian actions throughout history.
>>2857150katyn didn't happen but it should have and it's gonna happen again
>>2857046Poland has a grossly outsized impact in the media and especially "organic political discourse" because it's the only country in the whole world where glowies and bourgeois media actually did their job to the extent they can be proud of, especially in the face of increasingly evident failure back home. Vaguely gesturing at this success is smart on their part. Even if you disagree, it sets the tone of the conversation in a way that's favorable to the Epstein class and their interests. In reality, however, it's refreshing to think that for all the immense resources and total control of the media the Epstein class has, it only worked in a single country.
>>2857144As much as it's annoying to see the constant gloating and whining, framing what is a disparate but global struggle against imperialist capital as a national dick-measuring contest is retarded. Glowies want this to happen so that working class people of these ethnicities think they have nothing to do but to double down on their slavery to the Epstein class. This tendency is simply enabled by the degradation of institutions that all of Eastern Europe suffered: unlike the Bolsheviks, none of the current governments in the region are at all capable of seriously cultivating internationalism. In reality, Polish people have a long and successful history of both being involved in the revolutionary struggle and of socialist construction. That history is far more important than the current success of imperialist policy. At the end of the day, even this success of theirs will go away as contradictions deepen.
>>2857187>In reality, Polish people have a long and successful history of both being involved in the revolutionary struggle and of socialist construction. Careful Anon, crazy ideas like internationalism might get in the way of the /pol/-tier chauvinism that's a core part of the leftypol doctrine these days. If you like, I could send you a helpful PDF showing which ethnicities are real and which ones are fake.
>>2857187>Polish people have a long and successful history of both being involved in the revolutionary struggle and of socialist construction. so do jews and the zionist entity is still a cancer upon humanity
>>2857187For fucks sake, Polish success has nothing to do with imperialism. You are just mad that a normal capitalist country managed to improve itself economically without any special socialism secret sauce so you have to pretend its some vague "imperialism" that achieved it
>>2857199Literally no one is mad at you. At least until slobbering on imperialist boot comes into the picture.
>>2857195Look up what Israelis think of the Soviet Union sometime. The results might shock you.
>>2857187>In reality, Polish people have a long and successful history of both being involved in the revolutionary struggle and of socialist constructionThe very, VERY few examples of true Polish communists are a textbook example of the exception proving the rule. Notably all of them were against the idea of an independent Pshekistan, frankly one of Stalin’s very few mistakes was not just integrating that shithole into the USSR proper
>>2857210Why stop there? Why not absorb every country on it’s borders into the USSR? Why even have a PRC or GDR? Communism would mean a one world government anyway might as well expand your borders as fast and quickly as possible
>>2857210Poles were staging national liberation struggle and socialist revolution while ruzzians were rolling around in the mud, worshipping their feudal lord, freezing in the winter, and killing local jew for knowing how to read.
Kill all euroids russians included
>>2857217Cosmopolitan retardation
>>2857235Afraid of the cute crossdressers in east berlin ruining your vitality?
>>2857238Russkies are afraid of internationalism because it might rid them of the opportunity to invade and loot their neighbors and gloat about the war crimes committed after the fact.
>>2857249The PRC should have absorbed the USSR, imagine what Mao could have done with Moscow’s factories
>>2857286There was a possibility of the USSR and PRC federating, unfortunately the USSR loved to enforce its leadership and national interests over every communist movement in the world, quite often to the detriment of those movements. It's not surprising that Tito and Mao told them to go fuck themselves.
>>2857290The only way to make that work is the Singaporean model where each ethnicity in your multicultural state gets to be head of state for a while
>>2857286>imagine what Mao could have done with Moscow’s factoriesmao was a certified retard except as a military leader
>>2857115>You could make a better argument for the third reich being historically progressive as it basicalle ended colonialism in Africa and Asia, both being extremely historically regressive events as they prevented the places from modernizing.profoundly fucking stupid takeaway
>>2857060you're going to be very upset if i start posting quotes about soviets, russia and russians
>>2857333He wrote better poetry on the toilet than your highest effort
>>2857337yes, because this is a communist board
take your poland stronk autism to kohlchan
>>2857210there haven't been any polish communists. communism is mutually exclusive with polish racial nature.
go ahead prove me wrong and name one
>>2857346jew, not a drop of polish blood
>>2857347Polish jews aren’t polish?
other than maybe what she have might devoured in her matza
>>2857348there's no such thing as a polish jew, they're all immigrants from somewhere else
>>2857340marx loved polish republicanism and called your dogshit country a reactionary mongol horde threatening to end societal development in europe. we can see this holding true even today, when russian ooga booga militarism singlehandedly provided the political legitimacy nato militarists needed to rearm and rebarbarize europe.
>>2857350primarily immigrants from germany and russia, because poland was a beacon of religious tolerance and freedom compared to the barefoot bloodthirsty hordes of teutons and finno ugric mutts who wanted to murder every jew they could get their hands upon
>>2857338I'll be sure to consult a book of poems next time I'm trying to figure out how to run a factory.
>>2857351i'm not russian
national chauvinism has no place on this board
>>2857359heavily mixed race, basically a russian
>>2857364Both his parents were ethnic Poles.
>>2857366have you seen his face? that is not a polish phenotype.
>>2857334Calm down leftist, it's basic Bordigism…
>>2857449Basic tenets of bordigism:
>Sit on your ass>Do nothing besides reading theory>Wait for the “right conditions” for revolution without ever explaining how that will come to be besides vague-posting>TRVST DA PLAN!!!I think I got leftcoms right. Although the most frustrating thing about them is how whenever you ask them how they would have acted if they were the general secretary of the CPSU during 1918, a lot of them would refuse to give a straight answer besides giving it up to faith.
Funniest thing is that Bordiga didn’t believe in democracy, so if the USSR was left to him he would probably be more authoritarian and dictatorial than Stalin.
>>2857464Please engage with leftcom /lit/ instead of talking out of your ass, it's not that hard to digest. I'm not a Stalinist but I've read Stalin.
>>2857488physiology is a science based around measuring physical traits of groups of people (shapes of angles, depths of joints and so on)
physiognomy is a pseudoscience that attributes physical traits with supposed character traits (e.g. wide nose = bad with money, big ears = quick to anger)
knowing the difference could save you an embarrassment
>>2857060they arguably did better than other former soviet countries in the 90s due to post-communists winning elections and not having a religious devotion to le free market. For example they maintained the Gdansk shipyards as government owned instead of just selling them off to random oligarchs.
>>2857503Bordiga would've eaten the grain for real
>>2857673poland was never a part of soviet union
also post-communists' short stint at the helm was so peppered with corruption that they never even managed to claw back to double digit support
>>2857733my b I must be conflating the Warsaw Pact bloc with the USSR
>>2857199> Polish success has nothing to do with imperialism. if you live next to a bunch of colonists, and get rich by trading with their blood soaked commodities made by African child slaves, doesn't that make you one of them? even if you don't have real colonialist real estate holdings
>normal capitalist country managed to improve itself economically without any special socialism secret sauce bragging about being in between the imperial core and the periphery doesn't really matter if you are ultimately a goose stepping nazi who became aligned with NATO as Yugoslavia was bombed
>>2857351>russian militarism singlehandedly provided the political legitimacy nato militarists neededNATO was always NAZI, you're just forced to reckon with what you were paid to ignore for so long
>rebarbarize europe"Its not fair how finance imperialism has come home to roost" You could have stopped the Epstein cabal before they got to you lol:
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+Harvard+boys+do+Russia.-a020769077 Only Polacks have this urge to brag unironically about the supposed greatness of their shithole in every international forum and every comment section on the whole internet. E.g. they really hate Germany with all their heart yet shitloads of Polacks post on German language imageboards and all Polacks do there is spam threads about POLAND STRONK, I HATE RUSSIA, I HATE GERMANY or I HATE COMMUNISM/I LOVE CAPITALISM and I LOVE ANGLO COCK, absolutely nothing else. Poland posting about Poland became a meme while Ukrainians spamming anti-Russia threads 24/7 didn't become a meme because Polacks are actually worse than Ukrainians. Case in point: OP.
Why does the entire nation of Poland consist of ultra reactionary attention whores? I don't really care, but i wouldn't mind if a couple nukes accidentally dropped onto Poland and cut them off the internet for good.
What's more, they just won't stay in their supposedly oh so great shithole and instead keep migrating and commuting here, undercutting wages. They keep flooding us with cheap agricultural shit, keep being the biggest net leech of EU funds while DE keeps being the biggest net contrib to the EU budget and all they contribute to the EU in terms of politics are demands and BUTTHURT. Butthurt about Russia, insane butthurt about socialism/communism, butthurt about others not being religious trad catholic zealots, butthurt about not sucking anglo cock hard enough, butthurt about this and butthurt about that. The EU was always a bourgeois construct, however until the mid 2000s it was hardly noticable for the average EUropoor citizen. I remember consumer quality laws and work condition/human rights standards (the latter was one of if not the actual main reason why Britain pulled out of the EU btw) being somewhat positive things even. Then "Visegrad" joined which shifted the EU massively to the right, helping unhinged neoliberalism to really take off during the mid 2000s EU-wide.
>>2857833>if you live next to a bunch of colonists, and get rich bynope. historically polish wealth was built on long lasting peace and wheat trade
>aligned with NATOperfect political decision
>Yugoslavia was bombedskill issue, shouldn't have chimped out
i wish nato was even more pro-active and intervened in palestine, ukraine and tibet
>>2858106poles this poles that in my beautiful
russia germany meanwhile in reality there's less than one milion poles in the country compared to unironic six milion of you so eat shit you ossi mongrel
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2857128Public social spending in the U.S. is only 18.7 percent so I don’t see what point you’re making.
>>2858106Calm down Hitler the thread wasn't even about Germany. Also if you want to talk about EU going to the right, which country do you think is the most influential in the EU and has shown an IMF-tier finance imperialist pattern of behavior reminiscent when dealing with Croatia and Greece? Hint: It's not Poland.
>>2857833I don’t think people understand that America set out to destroy Russia as a competitor, which is why they pushed all of these capitalist policies, unlike Poland where the American advisors didn’t push back as much on Poland’s own economic liberalisation which was slower and initially retained great state control.
>>2858128our shock therapy was penned by jeffery fucking sacks
>>2858128Then again, you wonder if Poland will ever intervene in the Ukraine. I’ve long hypothesised that, given the animosity between the two countries as well as how hohol hero Bandera was basically a Pole-hater so crazy he did South Africa-style farm killings against Poles en masse and was so obsessed with it he got arrested by Nazis and then released for the anti-Soviet war effort only to be re-arrested for re-starting the farm killings, I think Poland’s endgame is to annex much of western Ukraine that used to be parts of the second Polish republic.
That is the only way to make sense of Poland’s sudden warmth to hoholistan.
But given Poland’s really low TFR below replacement levels and declining birth rates, one wonder how they’ll set out to do that short of having Polish men knock up ukro-whores whilst hohol males die in dictator Zelensky’s meat grinder.
Oh, and fun fact: PiS could have remained in power if they didn’t let in millions of Ukrainians into eastern Poland such that many Poles complain about the “ukrainization” of many eastern Polish towns.
>>2858130Yh, the same Sachs who along with other advisors fucked up Russia’s economy whilst making Poland great, although Yeltsin wanting to avoid a communist victory by privatising everything with rapid-fire succession contributed more to Russia’s 1990s suffering more than Poland who never really had to fear a post-1989 communist let alone leftist takeover.
Same Sachs now shills for an anti-Chinese Russo-American axis.
>>2858136you do not understand polish mentality at all
we can go to lwow at our leisure, moving lines in sand is not worth the life of a single pole talking about how we want to landgrab is some crazy projection
no one wants mongrelizaing either, poland is to remain polish forever.
you're wrong on the political aspect too: pis lost because it had controversies just before election and instead of addressing them it pushed the narration that opposition is worse. if anything morawiecki's opinion amongst poles peaked in 2022 because he was the first one to take a proactive stance on the invasion of ukraine
>>2858140it worked in poland but not in russia because of the civilizational divide between the countries/societies
>>2858142>no one wants mongrelizaing either, poland is to remain polish forever.Poland is the mutt of eastern europe though. Half the population is descended from Belarussians, Lithuanians, and Ukrainians
>>2858143nope. ruthenians (bojkos and lemkos) stick to their own, poles stick to their own, jews mostly stick to their own.
is that an another crazy projection mayhaps?
>>2858144Historically speaking this is just not true. Piłsudski literally considered himself a Polish-Lithuanian and modern Polish national identity as mono-ethnic was only realized by WW2. There's still regional dialects that include ruthenianisms.
>>2858157pilsudskis was a lithuanian, who he considered himself as has no bearing on his ethnicity
polish national identity is older than plc
>>2858111What was "historic Polish wealth" other than the historic wealth of a few Polish aristocrats who held their subjects in misery all the time and Poland at large so poor, backward and underdeveloped that Poles were forced to immigrate westward since centuries? Poland was never a source of peace either, quite the opposite. Even in peace time Poland kept bullying the German minority inside Poland and kept plotting imperialist aggression, including against Germany. Iirc some conservatard Italian EU politician once called Poland "loose cannon of Europe" poised to incite WWIII and he was right.
>there's less than one milion poles in the countryUtter bullshit and you know it. Your numbers are Polish nationals, that is Polish citizens in Germany. It doesn't say anything about actual recent, 1st and 2nd gen Polish immigrants, which is extremely misleading as Poles migrate here since literal centuries, in fact the Ruhr area had at least 50% Polish ancestry already over half a century ago and NRW is the most populous state with close to 20 million inhabitants. Russians make up only the sixth largest group of immigrants in my state right now, Poland is 3rd.
Good job with the racism though, you piece of shit. That's how you spot Zionists, Polacks and other butthurt belters on imageboards. When called out you always resort to "slurs" such as "mongrel", "shitskin", "n-word", "musel", "ruzzian/zigger", "pajeet" etc. Fails IRL with me though, if anything, i'm an all-Germanic "mongrel".
>>2858119>who do you think is the most influential in the EUThe City of London, the Wall Street, ELNET (Israel), NATO and butthurt belters.
The latter act sort of a like mob, basically like in that stupid Eurovision contest.
The EU needs to die asap. Polacks can then make their own STRONK reactionary bloc together with the other Visegrad/butthurt belters and call it STRONK Greater Rzeszelpolskipold or whatever.
Now STFU, bourgeois armchair.
I live in a polish village and there is still no sewer system here in 2026
>>2858160>What was "historic Polish wealthup to XVIII century poland was one of the wealthiest states in europe
and while magnates operated in lithuania poland had very little stratification compared to contemporaries
> if anything, i'm an all-Germanic "mongrel".sure thing buddy post your racial traits anytime to substantiate the claims
protip: using terms like >butthurt belt or soviet revanchisms tips everyone off to your actual race and loyalties
>>2858160>it was da brits/americans/jews/poles germany dindu nuffinI was about calling you Hitler but it does really seem like you're a national socialist. As expected of an East German.
The only reason they are successful in any way is because of PZPR. Without PZPR they wouldn't even have Silesia and be packed with germans revolting.
>>2858168LOL, but honestly though we already have an idealist Polish reactionary obsessed with racial purity, so the thread couldn’t get any better.
Also, ignore’em since they’re dorks. Most Poles DGAF about racial purity anymore than west Germans do, and I maintain that every major European group is ethnically mixed, even the scandifreaks as there’s heavy Saami and Finnish admixture among Norwegians (e.g., Erling Haaland) and Swedes, plus Danes are more German than Nordic if anything. And let’s not forget Icelanders, all of whom are a result of Celtic and Viking admixture.
And Germans have heavy Celtic ancestry, while western Slavs have that + Germanic admixture as a consequence of Slavic settling of Germanic lands. And let’s not speak of Iberians who have heavy Moorish ancestry (especially in the northern parts) and Italians (who have upper Mesopotamian ancestry due to the legacy of the Roman Empire, as well as Germanic ancestry among northern Italians due to the Ostrogothic and Longobard slave trades).
>>2857503>it's basic Bor-so that's why it's profoundly fucking stupid
>historically oppressed catholic nation resisting *ngl* re(iKKK)forma$$hun
uncritical support
>>2858168Since you didn't bother with arguments i won't bother either. So i just call you an illiterate liberal retard and bourgeois nationalist whore. You can leave this board now and continue your usual job, which is giving glowing blow jobs to the bankers of the City of London, to the Wall street bankers, to ELNET & AIPAC, to the Polish/Visegrad national bourgeoisie and, of course, to your national bourgeoisie. Make sure to samefag and tell everyone on Reddit over 9000 times they dindu nuffin.
>embodiment of NAFOtards
Irrelevant reddit “nation”
>>2858178>Since you didn't bother with arguments i won't bother either. Greece, Croatia, Germany.
>So i just call you an illiterate liberal retard and bourgeois nationalist whore. You can leave this board now and continue your usual job, which is giving glowing blow jobs to the bankers of the City of London, to the Wall street bankers, to ELNET & AIPAC, to the Polish/Visegrad national bourgeoisie and, of course, to your national bourgeoisie. Make sure to samefag and tell everyone on Reddit over 9000 times they dindu nuffin.Holy fanfic
>>2858171Hungarians are also a good example of a country that's a genetic melting pot
>>2858163>up to XVIII century poland was one of the wealthiest states in europeDefine "wealth", who was "whealty" and compared to what contemporaries?
>poland had very little stratification compared to contemporariesWat? In what sense was Poland supposedly less stratified than the HRE, France, Britain or Russia? Definitely not politically as the Sejm only represented aristocrats and their seats were inherited. Do you consider the Brititsh House of Lords an indicator of "little stratification" also?
>post your racial traitsYou should always get banned on /leftypol/ on sight. You are clearly a racist piece of shit, an anti-communist spammer of the worst worder and you are rather easy to identify. Why the mods don't delete your shit is beyond me, that kind of tolerance towards your kind proved fatal already, only Deng, Kim and Fidel survived the counter-revolution.
>>2858193>Define "wealth", who was "whealty" and compared to what contemporaries? accumulated assets across strata of society. compared to other european nation which we managed to cumulate during 500 years of perpetual peace
there is a reason why especially germans and dutch just couldn't stop migrating to poland between XIII and XVIII century.
> Sejm only represented aristocrats gentry represented 11% of the country's total population compared to single digit procent in other european countries
>You should always get banned on /leftypol/ on sight. You are clearly a racist piece of shit<oh nyo someone told me i wear my heart on my sleeve and now my feefees are hurt (((( oh great communists of yore i summon thee to avenge my (family's) shame!hey next time you ask someone some questions how about not reporting them like a fucking coward?
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