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>die fascist dog
Heard that before. screech moar
>I don't care for your ebin debate
I'm not here to debate, I just want to hear other perspectives

Whenever I look at the Ideological line between myself and lefties, I often find more common ground with socialists than I do with fellow Right-wingers.

>I believe Capital is actively destroying countries all around the world in order to enrich itself. the first order of business for ANY sensible movement should be to crush and subjugate the capital class.

>I fucking hate rural areas and rural life. I was born in a city, raised in a city, And I'm living in a city until the day I die. cities are vibrant, Alive, and the engines of civilizational growth
>I don't care for some abstract concept of a past to Retvrn to. Yes, I love the culture of my country and I absolutely adore its traditions, I believe it's my responsibility to continue them. But There is no way in fucking hell I'd want to marry my sister like ancient Persians did.
>I love technology. I love Modernity. I love our current way of life. I'd rather have my job right now than to be some wheat farmer in the mountains. I love modern fashion and aesthetics. Yes, some elements from the past should probably be woven into modern design to enrich it and keep the aesthetics away from looking like americanslop aesthetics, But progress should be maintained.
>Idc about the gays and the transhumanists if anything they're a sign of social progress.
>I support abortion for the first three months/when the mother's life is in danger
>I believe women are an important part of the job market and they can contribute significantly more to their country when they're given equal opportunities.
>I support cultural and social progress.

The Two things that keep me from becoming a leftist:

>it is laughable to suggest the international jewery isn't proactively trying to destroy all other civilizations. it is childish to suggest they can be reformed or assimilated

>The destruction of cultures around the world by mass migration is bad actually sweaty. (also it's a plot of the jews)
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>>2865157
>it is laughable to suggest the international jewery isn't proactively trying to destroy all other civilizations. it is childish to suggest they can be reformed or assimilated
>The destruction of cultures around the world by mass migration is bad actually sweaty. (also it's a plot of the jews)
You don't need specific marxist redpills for that, you just need to learn history. Ruling classes of all periods loved migration because it was beneficial to them. Just pick a period and >civilization that interests you and go at it. Rome had huge migrations within it, so did Chinese emperors regularly resettle outside peoples inside their territory. The Spanish empire literally shipped over black people to work on the plantations on their new continent, but I guess that's jewish too even though they had just expelled the jews at that time.
It's so fucking weird to me that people keep clinging to jews so much even though they refer to large swathes of the population as 'spiritually jewish' like American boomers. Oh well, I guess Karl Marx also made that mistake before he started referring to them as bourgeoisie.

>>2865217
This. Immigration is good for a country with low birth rates.

Also to your antisemitism point, some of the best leftists have been Jewish. It’s not a matter of identity at birth it’s a matter of the identity you assume. To say jews as a group and not Zionists as a group are the problem is bigoted and exclusionary.

>>2865486
I create concepts and commission other furry artists to draw them for me.

>>2865486
and is the furry thread in /hobby/ or /siberia/ ?


>>2865386
>You argue the reverse too.
No you can't, really argue the reverse.
>Did the end of mass famines, illiteracy and growing prosperity in USSR end all misogyny, tribalism, and other reactionary impulses?
Most of them, yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_revolution_in_the_Soviet_Union

>>2865636
Migration destroyed Rome. Snow uyghurs were jumping over the border or something like that.

>I believe Capital is actively destroying countries all around the world in order to enrich itself.
Yes, we can read Lenin on this topic (1913):
<And it is into this struggle that capitalism is drawing the masses of the working people of the whole world, breaking down the musty, fusty habits of local life, breaking down national barriers
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/oct/29.htm
Mass immigration is caused by empire. Marx (1870):
<But the English bourgeoisie has also much more important interests in the present economy of Ireland. Owing to the constantly increasing concentration of leaseholds, Ireland constantly sends her own surplus to the English labour market, and thus forces down wages and lowers the material and moral position of the English working class.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1870/letters/70_04_09.htm
Capitalism abolishes the family. Marx/Engels (1848):
<no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation […] The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm
Capitalism also abolishes private property itself (1848):
<in your existing society, private property is already done away with for nine-tenths of the population; its existence for the few is solely due to its non-existence in the hands of those nine-tenths.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm
So then, "All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned".
>I fucking hate rural areas and rural life.
Nick Fuentes pilled.
>I don't care for some abstract concept of a past to Retvrn to
>I love technology. I love Modernity. I love our current way of life.
Richard Spencer pilled.
>Idc about the gays and the transhumanists if anything they're a sign of social progress.
Well, "progress" must first be defined. I myself am sceptical of such a concept.
>it is laughable to suggest the international jewery isn't proactively trying to destroy all other civilizations.
>The destruction of cultures around the world by mass migration is bad actually sweaty. (also it's a plot of the jews)
Sure, but Christians are also inwardly-circumcised Jews. Muslims are also Ishmaelites. We are all Abraham's seed, which is why the radical right often poses Pagan spirituality against the Weltgeist of Christian religion. As Spengler says, Christianity is the parent of Bolshevism. Until people stop believing in a Jewish messiah, there are only ceaseless hypocrites. We can read Marx (1843):
<In its perfected practice, Christian egoism of heavenly bliss is necessarily transformed into the corporal egoism of the Jew, heavenly need is turned into world need, subjectivism into self-interest. We explain the tenacity of the Jew not by his religion, but, on the contrary, by the human basis of his religion – practical need, egoism. […] The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/
And on the Church itself (1867):
<The English Established Church, e.g., will more readily pardon an attack on 38 of its 39 articles than on 1/39 of its income. Now-a-days atheism is culpa levis [a relatively slight sin, c.f. mortal sin], as compared with criticism of existing property relations.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/p1.htm
But lets go further; who has killed more white people in history? Who has destroyed local culture? Who has tried to merge the world into a single hierarchy? Catholics or Jews? The Christian is the true Jew, as it is written!
<Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
https://biblehub.com/revelation/3-9.htm
We are the true Jews, who believe in the Messiah.

>>2865170
Lenin claims that Marx and Engels were bourgeois intellectuals (1901):
<By their social status the founders of modern scientific socialism, Marx and Engels, themselves belonged to the bourgeois intelligentsia.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/ii.htm
Engels himself says that socialism was conceivably "bourgeois" (1890):
<Socialism in 1847 signified a bourgeois movement
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/preface.htm
So the intellect can clearly exceed material conditions.
>>2865175
>A lot of lefties are down to reform anyone, I don't agree with that.
WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE! - Except you…
>>2865188
Europeans colonised themselves before other people. The central mythology of Greco-Roman legend is the Trojan War. On this topic, I would also suggest looking into "primitive accumulation".
>>2865215
Cosmopolitanism existed in ancient societies.
>>2865636
>Ruling classes of all periods loved migration because it was beneficial to them.
What? Mass expulsions exist throughout history. Especially of Jews.

1) Immigration happens because people in poor countries want better economic opportunities. This is not a conspiracy theory.

2) immigration is partly allowed by the capitalist class to suppress wages.

3) they don't allow too much immigration because they know a significant chunk of the working class is opposed to it for both chauvinist and economic reasons

4) Nevertheless, the long term result of even low immigration is a big change in ethnic makeup of countries. This is the natural result of economic decisions and not some kind of deliberate conspiracy theory to "genicide" white people

5) 80% of the land that white people currently live on used to be non-white majority 500 years ago. Not saying that whites should be killed or sent back, just adding some context so you can get over your victim mentality

6) there are conservative anti immigrant Jews as well. Jews are not a monolith. And in Israel, there are leftist Jews and Israel has quite a few immigrants as well. Your obsession with Jews serves no purpose other than to direct your hatred away from the capitalist ruling class towards only a particular ethnicity, while ignoring the 90% of Anglo-Saxon capitalists who are actually responsible for mass immigration.

In short, you have no valid theory and no valid programme. You are also not even interesting to talk to, this isnt 2015 anymore when the alt right was new. Find better talking points. Or actually DO something about the elites that you claim to hate. Don't bore us any further.

>>2865758
Imagine thinking porn is genocide but an actual non-online with physical non-digital bullets and bombs genocide isn't. I'm glad that guy's friend killed himself.

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>>2865767
>80% of the land that white people currently live on used to be non-white majority 500 years ago.
What?


>>2865758
>>2865771
And then
>REEEE HOW DARE YOU JOKE ABOUT 41%?

>>2865282
>>2865320
Why is that a bad thing?
Are you perhaps butthurt that our brothers in anime imageboard degeneracy get preferential treatment over twitter radlibs and reddit (neo)libshits?

>>2865973
>why is everyone bending over backwards to suck up to a poltard
<are you saying you prefer redditfags and twitterfags
no. next question

>>2865778
imagine being this dumb
>>2865780
he will ignore this, cope, or insult. rest assured there will be no humility involved

>>2865973
>our brothers in anime imageboard degeneracy
Not my brother. Also anime is even more popular on twitter and reddit than 4chan probably these days lol. It's not really a 4chan quirk chungus signifer anymore. Only thing really that seperates 4chan from the others is open virulent racism, antisemitic conspiracy, the 4chan frog, and soyjaks, all of which are banned now on /leftypol/.

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>>2866019
<Probably the Balkans or Spai-
<LONDON????

>>2865273
>office worker liberals who use communism as a consumer identity on a dying imageboard
hey! I work from home, not an office!

>>2865187
> It's crazy the level of disdain the users of this website have for liberals
are we even using the same website? libs are very coddled here

>>2866064
Very believable, no refugees are headed to the balkans en masse, and spains nationalist movement is much stronger than Britain where farage might actually lose to count binface.

>>2865169
Omfg, you are like a meme of what an annoying lefty is.

>UMMM EXCUSE ME, HAVE YOU DONE YOUR HOMEWORK AND READ ALL MY FAVORITE BOOKS YET????


Plz learn to express your thoughts through words instead of quotes and book recommendations.


>>2865157
Anti-Semitism just is Class Consciousness for retards. Think about the richest fucks who own everything. Are they operating out of self-interest to make themselves even richer, or out of a magical desire to please some dogshit minority religion no one would even give a fuck about if not for Israeli influence on politics? Israel is a state, they're more interested in amassing geopolitical power and doing racism than anything particularly religious. Most Jews I know are PMCs or working class. That's not to say that no influential Jews exist in media and banking, they do. They're just not the primary problem we're facing. Even the richer ones are usually just Zionist fucks or shitlibs.

It's all about the money, follow the money. Who has the money? The bourgeoisie. Who's interest do they work for? Their own, their only religion is the Almighty dollar. They've tricked you into believing in magic money people who are secretly the "REAL" ones running the world, while they do it out in the open. It is in their interest to pit the working class against each other, keep them fighting about retarded bullshit and idpol, thus keeping the working class from rising up and doing anything to stop them.

isn't the concept of international jewry an anachronism at this point? they've got a nation-state recognized by all the world powers who count in these things. jewish nationalists attempt to subvert the interests of other nations in the service of their own, because that is the political function of nationalism. the successful execution of that function produces the disproportionate prosperity migrants are seeking. we differ in that you seem to only apply this analysis to jewish nationalism, and you erroneously refer to it as international jewry.

if there's one thing the world needs more of, it's people who treat politics as a performance and switch their political alignment at the drop of a hat and have no genuine human conscience or convictions at all. thank you op for doing your part to eradicate every trace of authenticity and meaning from modern society, keep up the good work buddy.

>>2866617
>waah everything is so le inauthentic waah
get your romantic ass back to the 19th century, this is post-modernity bitch, we clown on this mf

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>>2866632
>19th century
Even this is dated. We read Thomas Carlyle's despair of the loss of meaning in the 19th century, along with the reply of Engels who sees it inherent in the alienation of religion itself. Marx also takes Carlyle's criticism and applies to it to the abolition of the family, and all its sacred bonds. The great novel of Don Quixote (1615) clearly displays the same sort of Arthurian romanticism of 13th century literature, which itself is harkening back to the 6th century. The original nostalgia is in Hesiod's Works and Days (700 BCE), where the visage of a "Golden Age" is long behind the current "Iron Age".

>>2866617
How is it a bad thing to ask people to convince you of their ideology? That's being intellectually honest, assuming you honestly engage in the discussion.

>>2866659
trvke
also hi smith anon :)

>>2866663
>convince me to stop being a smoll bean nazi uwu
Kill yourself for thinking this retard would be convinced by anyone in this thread

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My biggest issue with chuds is how many of them would be ok with the current status quo but under different aesthetics and how many of their talking points are riddled with is-ought fallacies, and can’t forget how they can’t decide as to whether ideology or race matters more, combined with how they often have many of the traits they complain leftists of having (e.g., indifference to the truth), and overall lack of revolutionary thought.

Let’s take race for example. Jared Taylor tells his audience that race being biological means that your should be a right-leaning Christian libertarian, but that doesn’t follow at all. In fact, even if we took the concept of races as being rooted in biology and shaping outcomes far more than socioeconomic factors for granted, it still wouldn’t invalidate shit like affirmative action and DEI. Far from it, it would actually justify those measures alongside welfare leeching since under that logic it can equally be argued that affirmative action and DEI are necessary for the socioeconomic welfare of African Americans and Latinos since according to racialists they’ll just revert to the mean no matter how much they study anyway.

Thus, the problem with pseudoscience HBD’s true believers are that they’re committing an is-ought fallacy by using their so-called “race science” to argue in favor of austerity and other rightoid policies.

As for indifference to the truth, see how they’ll use deconstructionist arguments to dismiss hate speech laws, only to turn into moralfags whenever some leftist gets indicted with bogus charges of “terrorism”, as if “terrorism” isn’t any more of a magic word than “hate speech”. That goes to show their lack of coherence and understanding of how lawmaking actually works and how selective they are in their reasoning. And there’s of course the issue of interracial rape that they overflow as some sort of epidemic by using the same feminist talking points that they would deride if applied to any other situation like MeToo and Jack Russell’s case. See: https://xcancel.com/RichardHanania/status/2068476652447777145
I dislike Hanania for being a Zionist capitalist mouthpiece, but he is right in that tweet and note how almost all of the replies are chuds doing muh feelz and unironically using MeToo-ist feminist rhetoric to justify the slopaganda they swallowed wholesale. I could show more examples, but you get the point: Neither side of capital, left or right, gives a rat’s ass about the truth.

The obsession with wanting to change only the aesthetics correlates with how they aren’t revolutionaries to begin with, since they merely want affirmative action and minority privileges but for the goyim. Indeed, a prime example are captive_dreamer (real name: Geoffrey Martin) and Nick Fuentes (a.k.a., captive_dreamer but lagging by two years), the former of whom has gone from quoting Hitler to being an edgier and more racist version of Sean Hannity, despite the fact that the same status quo establishment that the alt-right used to attack during the Obama years and first Trump term remain relatively unchanged sans the aesthetics. America is still ZOG, mass immigration is still continuing with the drop having more to do with the USA turning into a shithole than Trump doing some ethnic cleansing via ICE, and the problems that were caused by the 2008 financial crisis are unsolved to this day.

But all it took to shut up the /pol/tards and make them into compliant and subservient goyim was a bunch of viral marketing tricks and a solid mockingbird influencer network. Ofc inability to question their own priors combined with the online right’s inability to have genuine economic critique beyond falling back to Reaganism and Thatcherism are some of the reasons, but I think the biggest factor is that the modern western right has stopped being revolutionary since at least 2016 when the right-wingers that wanted to overthrow the American government as opposed to talking over it (like William Luther Pierce’s National Alliance) have largely died off by then with the remnants being feds or deranged psychos unappealing to even their fellow travellers. And this isn’t exclusive to America as many of the chuds in Europe and Australia that used to be opposed to the USA are now America’s top bitches who fully support the American empire like cucks. And I don’t think it’s a coincidence that much of this shift occurred in 2023 when the leftist response against Israel led to the establishment to abandon woke in favor of the anti-woke (much like how the continental elites that used to support the enlightenment turned to the anti-enlightenment forces when it became clear that Napoleon Bonaparte’s French empire would threaten capital) either out of anti-leftist reactionism or purely out of spite. And this Nazi-to-neocon pipeline will continue on as much of what used to be the identitarian right become philosemitic especially under the reactionary zoomers who have little memory of the intellectual anti-semitism of the 2010s and are more influenced by shallow algorithmic shifts as exemplified by Clavicular, Joe Rogan, Nick Fuentes and other bought and paid for mockingbird influencers.

The “race matters over ideology, but we can’t let them in because they don’t share our values” talking point is one of the biggest contradictions chuds on X’itter have, especially since they’ll mock civic nationalists for being “raceblind” only to use their same arguments for restricting immigration. But if they were right, they would have to admit that immigration from Europe at the turn of the last century did tangentially affect American society, but that would undermine the white nationalist narrative that immigration is ok if it’s only from so-called “white countries”.

And what does it say about modern immigration from Latin America if the changes to American society are far less radical than what happened with Ellis islanders?

One amusing aspect of modern chuds is how they dismiss citizenship as being just a “piece of paper” when this belief would be so alien to the very ancient Romans these chuds look up to, as citizenship was a cornerstone of ancient Romans identity (especially in the republican and imperial periods) such that citizenship defined who was and wasn’t Roman and with it determined many aspects of life like property ownership, rights, power, etc…

In fact, it wouldn’t be an exaggeration that citizenship was foundational to being a Roman back in antiquity far more than religion, race and ethnicity.

So no wonder that the average right-winger has more in common with a radfem over a communist since both rightists and radfems are middle class-centric and value abstractions and mysticisms and “lived experiences”-type stupidpol over economics and rationalism the way communists and ancaps at least do if the criss-cross theory is correct.

>>2866687
performative post

>>2865516
the right graph just becomes the left graph if you zoom out more

>>2866687
If you don't wanna reply to him then don't, you're straight up retarded though to not even consider the fact that our ideas might actually be able to win over some people

>>2866997
>spend 80 years trying to debatebro a petty bourgeois terminally online nazi just for him to say you're a judeobolshevik trying to kill all whites
<miss hundreds of opportunities to actually talk to normal workers or god forbid organzie a union or something

>>2866019
>build a globe spanning empire
>get mad when your colonies come home
classic

>>2867004
I've spent like 10-20 minutes replying in this topic, which was a form of entertainment for me, please tell me how I could have converted 100s of workers in that time?

>>2867006
it's not you. it's everyone on this board. threads like these get made every month or so and it's always bait

>uwu i'm so cwose to communism, convince me it's not just jewish black magic made to make me hate myself for being white


<tons of people quote marx


>wow so you just listen to everything some old jew told you? sounds pretty jewish


ad nauseum

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>>2867004
Look bro, the only people who are into this shit are a subsection of a subsection of the internet. The only people that come around here are regulars who used to use 4chan and tourists who use 4chan.
If you don't like the medium and it's consequences, maybe try hexbear or lemmygrad

>>2867016
>look fellow person who also comes here every day, maybe we just like pandering to nazis, if you don't like it fuck off

>>2866663
>How is it a bad thing to ask people to convince you of their ideology?
it's wasted effort if they're not really interested and just want to waste your time

>>2867031
Debating right wingers is your idea of pandering?

>>2867064
yes debating is pandering. and this applies to real life to.

when you put a retard on stage who believes noah's ark is literally true, and you put him across from an evolutionary biologist, you are implicitly telling the public "these ideas should be taken equally seriously, and you should be the judge of which idea is more correct by which person has the better charisma and one-liners."

>>2867068
What public are we exposing to Nazi ideology on an imageboard, anon?
It's just a bit of fun to let off steam by dunking on retards, and if anything, debating the stray Nazi is pandering to the leftypol user base, not the Nazi.
Nobody on leftypol is or is going to be a revolutionary, this is just a place to shit post and seethe about capitalist dystopia we were born in.
If you want it to be better than that, I'm sorry but imageboards don't facilitate organizing very well.

>>2865486
>>2865665
>>2865663
wanting to fuck animals is fascist behavior btw

>>2867031
If there are 100 users on a dying imageboard, and one of them is spreading nazi propaganda unchallenged. There's 100 nazis on a dying imageboard.

>it is laughable to suggest the international jewery isn't proactively trying to destroy all other civilizations. it is childish to suggest they can be reformed or assimilated
What would be the point of that? Don't you think you're giving too much emphasis to this entirely nebulous group of undefined individuals? Isn't it much more likely that wealthy jewish people, international or not, are just part of a larger class of ruling elites? Who do not wish to "destroy civilization" like some cartoon villain (are you 12?) but are rather just perusing their economic interests, which are aligned to destroy the planet's habitability in the next century or so? People tend to be incentivized to do what makes them the most money, pretty simple

>>The destruction of cultures around the world by mass migration is bad actually sweaty.

Are you weeping for the loss of these cultures in pic rel as well or what? Such a dumb thing to care about, ngl it's giving dimwit

>>2867011
>wow so you just listen to everything some old jew told you? sounds pretty jewish

I didn't say that now, Did I you insufferable cunt? retarded snobs like you are the reason people vote for Zion don and javier milei.

in your larping of a vanguard party that doesn't care for the average person's inclination towards your beliefs, you have alienated people from your movement. that's why capital is raping the planet.

you Retarded larpers need to be purged

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>>2867064
Don't listen to vanguard larpers. you and a few other anons' responses actually cleared a lot of the obstacles that were in the way of me moving to the left.

my 2 biggest problems were da joos and the great replacement:

>Da joos will be disempowered alongside capital

>once the exploitation of the global south ends (and disempowered jewery can't push it anymore), people living there will have no reason to move to other countries and ethnically replace the natives.

all in all, Thanks to everyone who explained all of this to me.
Vanguard larpers, Kys

>>2867213
Yeah Marx isn't about ethnic replacement or anything like that. Communism understands that ethnic/cultural systems are byproducts of material conditions, and that obsessing over their preservation is an obsession over second order effects, missing the forest for the trees.

Cultures change drastically over time, naturally. Especially "developed" ones. Immigration is fine in abstract, but having a ton of second class non-citizens, treated as subhumans, influx into your community as slaves to Capital has obvious destabilizing effects, especially when there is a purposeful lack of efforts from the ruling class to integrate those people into the rest of the specific society.

It's not "ethnic replacement", it's survival for everyone, brown or not, being pitted against each other for the sake of the ruling class (finance capital especially).

We're humans. Culture is a fluid adaptation, not a primary phenomenon to hold above the well-being of other humans.


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