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8 dead in attacks on Russian warehouses belong to Wild Berries, the Russian equivalent of Amazon.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyxlm877p2oBoth this war and the Iran war are starting to escalate. I'm getting a bad feeling about this.
>>2869723Just a small and smokey fire. Here look at that random noone being angry on telegram about some Ukrainian leader or plan or something uji
China Declines to Supply Equipment for Russian Northern Sea Route Fleethttps://www.kyivpost.com/post/80572It's fucking over holy fuck. Just shut it down.
>>2869754>kievpostnever happened
>>2869723>This was what The Champagne tried to claim was small and not a big deallolllllllllllllllllllllllllll
>>2869709>Both this war and the Iran war are starting to escalateEscalate to what, forced conscription?
>>2869798Cucktin would never
>>2869754At least post reuters as your source, retard
>>2869723They're going after the treats! It's over!!! Retreat!!!
>>2869858So this is good for Russia then, it will only make them stronger
>>2869858You joke but this is literally what people like Dugin believe.
>>2869866>>2869869You people think this is some real damage but in reality we've seen Ukrainians suffer more than this every day, and still no rebellions. Ukrainians are delusional if they think this will actually achieve anything
>>2869869Dugin is retarded
>>2869870There has been draft riots in urkaine doe
>>2869870The Ukrainians aren't rebelling because they can see that Zelensky is a better wartime leader than Cucktin.
>>2869874Simple as. As pathetic as Zelensky is, he is still actually leading Ukrainians during a war. Cucktin is totally inept…I bet he is still sad the big boys aren't playing with him and tries his best to be frens with them again
>>2869870Of course, because they will be arrested or shot if they rebel. Ukraine is a bourgeois dictatorship just like Russia. But anyway the purpose of the Wildberries strike is to weaken a military goods provider rather than to terrorize and make Russians rebel.
>>2869878>purpose of the Wildberries strike is to weaken a military goods provider Are you for real?
>>2869878Well they did supply some military stuff and I wouldn't be surprised if their datacenters are part of the defense infrastructure but this is really about putting economic pressure on Russia and deny the proles their treats, bringing the war closer to the civilians in hopes of destabilization more than anything else
>>2869858Has this bitch never heard of the silk road? Western European states only turned to maritime trade when overland routes to Asia were cut off.
>>2869892It's not, it's the butthurt "let their civilians feel the war!" kind of warfare
>>2869894Well yeah that's what I said and Russia has been doing the same to ukraine instead of conquering the country for 4 years now
>>2869898Dude, Russia constantly does "energy ceasefires"
>>2869898You lie as naturally as you breathe.
>>2869903And ukraine didn't bomb v day cause they're so nice! Or maybe they didn't want to risk killing netanyahu who was just next to putin who knows
>>2869912???? Russia wasn't bombing whatever Nazi marches Ukraine is having either
>>2869754>kyivyivyiv.do better. soon, the 40 days are about to expire.
>>2869858comedians had their turn, now streamers get to be modern day philosophers
>>2869723I see the smoke wars are still going.
Imma be posting some smokseys too :D
>>2869941yeah, Dore got weird….
>>2869942You should probably save some of that copium for later I hear it's hard to order it on the internet marketplace these days
>>2869951is the front line going to stop moving westwards because Russians can't buy some labubus?
Russians endured the 90s. their snacks were a harden piece of bread with ketchup. there's little to nothing ukraine can do to make them feel they are losing this shit.
>>2869894>It's not, it's the butthurt "let their civilians feel the war!" kind of warfareThis + make Europe feel less weak compared to Russia. We eclipse the ground war and strikes in Ukraine with asymmetric warfare while surrounding ourselves in the slanted media bubble exploited by it. But the plate for anyone leading the US or Ukraine is just an endless headache with no clear solutions. The world situation for them just sucks ass.
>>2869983>is the front line going to stop moving westwards because Russians can't buy some labubus?A pizza commercial destroyed the Soviet Union
>>2870014>pizza hutpretty sure it never aired in Russia.
>>2870021>democracy doesn't wor-ACKNo, the problem is youthcattle simply wont show up to vote for their basic fucking interests
Bombing hyper-capitalist warehouses is actually a good thing. Such a monstrosities would never exist under real socialism. Shame about the pollution.
>>2870046>youthcattle simply wont show up to vote for their basic fucking interestskinda hard to outvote boomers when old people outnumber young people 4:1
>>2870046Can you blame their apathy tho
well. it's official and is getting ridiculous.
zelya appointed as the acting director of the SBU the First Deputy Head of the Security Service, and ex-convicted extortion guy, poklad.
pokla was sentenced in 1996 to 6 years of prison for extortion, but only servd 2.5 years.
zelya is literally entrenching, he's digging the deepest trench in hopes he's not getting killed or ousted, lmao.
>picrelhttps://antikor.ua/articles/502008-likvidator_zaharchenko_ili_spetsialist_po_gosperevorotam_kem_javljaetsja_novyj_glava_kontrrazvedki_sbu_aleksandr_pokladhttps://tema.in.ua/article/3574.html
>Oleksandr Valentinovich Poklad, graduated from Kharkiv Law University as a lawyer. In 1996, he was convicted of extortion and sentenced to six years' imprisonment with confiscation of property. An appeals court upheld the sentence. Two and a half years later, he was released under an amnesty. He served his sentence in a pretrial detention center and a correctional facility in Poltava. His release was facilitated by Pluzhnik.
>After his release, he fell under the total control of Pluzhnik. While free, he created an organized crime group, which, with Pluzhnik's assistance, quickly became the most influential in Kremenchuk, numbering up to 100 fighters. The group was involved in large-scale business, led by Ruslan Telyatnik, also known as "Telik." Specifically, members of the group controlled the Gvardeysky and Kerchensky markets, the Zebra nightclub, a silicon quarry, and the petroleum trade, as well as KRAZ automobiles. The group engaged in robberies, protection rackets, and debt collection (led by Vitaly Derevyanko, nicknamed "Derevyanchik"). Yemelyanchik, nicknamed "Yemelya," was "responsible" for robberies, burglaries, and drug trafficking. In 2004, the group acquired wiretapping equipment for $50,000. Over the course of eight years of fruitful activity, not a single member of the group has been imprisoned, although there are a fair number of criminal cases in which they figure.Side note: Pluzhnik is a nicknamed 'the richest law enforcement officer of the 2000s' by the UA media. lmao.
>Hromadske found out where his adult children and ex-wife got 11 luxury apartments in Kyiv and Odessa, a luxurious country estate, 4 prestigious cars, and about a thousand square meters of commercial real estate.with estimated assets: 6 million USD.
https://www.anticor.foundation/novyny/15046/<Hello from the 90s for $6 million: how Oleksandr Pluzhnyk hides a property empire>Date of article: 2025https://cripo.com.ua/main/najbagatshyj-pravoohoronets-nulovyh-a-nyni-deputat-kyyivrady-j-zaraz-ne-biduye/<The richest law enforcement officer of the 2000s, and now a deputy of the Kyiv City Council, is not poor even now>Date or article: 2025I believe in people reforming, but this is beyond absurd, giving two prominent security positions to the same person with such a past….
ukraine
IS a mafia state.
>>2870021The sad part is this isn't even a moral victory since the CPRF is fake opposition. Even if they had somehow overcome the ballot stuffing they'd support whatever Putin orders them to anyway. Russia's entire political system is really bad smoke and mirrors that seems to only exist for its own sake (ie to line pockets), since I don't think anyone actually believes they can vote Putin or his supporters out.
I get this weird feeling that this war will still be going a couple years from now but barely any Ukrainian soldiers will actually be fighting it. It will be the same mass of Russians conscripted/press ganged from poor communities fighting an almost entirely robotic Ukrainian Army that will give the whole thing an eerie, intensely inhumane vibe. Charging an enemy in front of you is one thing, to have that enemy just be a picket line of UGVs while kamikaze drones swarm overhead with no humans actually shooting directly at you is creepy.
>>2870119if putins top priority was enriching himself russia would be in SWIFT and he'd be chilling on the French Riviera somewhere
>>2870021>sees election in Russia>gets the event completely wrong>makes an assessment pulled out of his ass.wow, libs are surely some weird entities.
Breakdown of the events:
>there was blatant vote fraud on the second round, the CPFR candidate was winning with a 5% margin, then suddenly the remaining votes gave UR the victory. the >Primorsky Krai Election Commission voted 12 to 1 to annul the results, on the basis of electoral fraud>The CPFR candidate issued a lawsuit against the decision on the electoral commission (his appeal was for the reason for the annulment, not the annulment itself). He wanted to be declared the legitimate winner based on the original vote count.>the court upheld the decision: there was voter fraud, the annulment requires the election TO START OVER(the CPFR and the CPFR candidate for that region were not particularly united about the lawsuit)
>The original UR candidate withdrew>The new UR candidate Oleg Kozhemyako wins the election with over 61%. >No voter fraud detected.>Audited>CPFR content with the results. >>2870128yeah, Russia, know country that fights with shovels, no washing machines, and only wins because grub and weed.
also, it's 22 days.
see the clock? 22 days.
lmao, radlibs ITT are really salty with the 40 days countdown.
>>2870136At the rate you're going, you're not winning in two years.
>>2870119It makes sense when you learn that Russia copied the uniparty system of Japan and United Russia is inapired from the LDP. They copied an american occupied country because they have an humiliation fetish
>>2870146Where are you getting the idea I buy this 40 day meme?
>>2870148>memeglad we agree that the ua state is a meme.
>>2870162All states are memes, the only question is which is preferable.
>>2870129Cucktrin tried very hard and deperately wanted to become a NATO member
>>2870169all he had to do was let ukraine in nato and he'd be on a private jet drinking champaign with macron
>>2870165buddy, take a notch or two. go outside, talk to people, touch grass. you are seething, malding, coping.
you play coy, it doesn't suit you. you came to say that the country that won't last X numbers of years is Russia without mentioning that zelya once again declared an operation which will last 40 days since 26 of June, 22 days already have passed, to put Russia in a negotiation table without accomplishing the real SMO objectives (not/or the imaginary objectives set up in washington with their media). then your answer what was?
>40 days meme?
you called ukraine a meme. you, by accident, because you weren't thinking you called the other side a meme. where's the part where you retract everything you said before that?
that's how I know that you want to play coy, but you are
>picrelout of proportion.
well, there were protests after all
>>2867668>>2867666
>Rallies in support of Fedorov are ongoing in the area around the Franko Square, near Zelensky's office.>Protests continue for the third day in a row in Kyiv and other regions of Ukraine.https://nv.ua/amp/protesty-iz-za-otstavki-fedorova-mitingi-ohvatili-kiev-odessu-i-drugie-regiony-50625433.html>Thousands of people took to the streets in Kyiv to protest Fedorov's resignation.https://www.svoboda.org/a/v-kieve-tysyachi-chelovek-vyshli-na-aktsiyu-protiv-otstavki-fyodorova/33806032.html
>Participants are chanting "Servant of the People, come to the people" and are demanding the resignation of the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Syrsky.It makes sense then:
>>2870182ft article:
https://www.ft.com/content/1b34caa6-d909-4df8-a90f-b928f2199261>FT archived:https://archive.is/73YvW
>Volodymyr Zelenskyy is considering sacking Ukraine’s commander-in-chief, who is known as “the Butcher”, as he seeks to navigate a path out of the biggest military leadership crisis of his presidency.
>Oleksandr Syrsky’s leadership of the armed forces has become a lightning rod for protests that have grown since Zelenskyy fired the civilian defence minister after a deepening rift between the two leaders became untenable.>According to a senior administration official, Zelenskyy is gathering military commanders this weekend to hear their assessments of the battlefield situation and to interview candidates to take command of the army.>That person said Zelenskyy was open to removing Syrsky from his post if he could find a commander who would ensure a smooth transfer of power while maintaining a strong defence along the 1,200km front line.well, let's see.
I guess the lib media calling
>the biggest military leadership crisis (yet)
doesn't suit well for the development of an army of imaginary drones, robots, and mechanized whatnots that will fight for two years another army.
wow, I didn't know nafo was this salty about fedorov, too. lmao
hey nafo: the FT article, the ua media, don't mention there's a chance for fedorov to return.
so, what's that? Russia is the one that won't be able to fight for two years?
because
*check notes*
he was
>the guy who literally painted Russia into a corner
surely zelya will put someone more competent, will he?
:^)
>>2870219
This is perhaps the most insufferable thing anyone has posted here in a while.
>>2870229Almost makes you miss the azovsomething blogposts huh
>>2870245forgot to put, in
LVOV meh, these protests are a re-edition of the sapo and nabu protests of last year, mid-year. it's the same people that is still withholding faith onto whatever is depicted as more western than what there is.
dmytro koziatynskyi is around this protest, like he was 2025.
fun, but re-editions get old fast, unless it's a reboot ;) wink wink ;)
>>2870174You can't speak English properly so I'm not even gonna bother responding to this in detail except to say this kind of pathetic attempt to turn absolutely any statement into a gotcha to supposedly demonstrate the obvious correctness of Russia's position is classic SVR psyops, I have seen this exact kind of "argument" structure on /pol/ a million times. You're not fooling me, not that you could given how bad your English is.
>'not even bother to reply'
>still replies.
>grammar nazi police
>'youse /pol/' projection.
>'not fooling me'. implying I don't use a flag to precisely avoid confusion among people ITT. wut?
touch taller grass.
Events in Ukraine shared their thoughts about the fedorov-syrsky crisis:
>With the EU unwilling to support ex-defense minister Mikhailo Fedorov, there’s no need for Zelensky to reverse his July 15 decision to get rid of the minister, popular among Ukraine’s pro-western civil society. Despite Fedorov’s remarkable press conference two days ago, railing against head of the army Oleksandr Syrsky, he’s now a political corpse.
>Fedorov
>The liberal nationalist media, anti-corruption NGOs, and sundry other affiliates of the Open Society Foundation and USAID — the so-called ‘Sorosites’ — are aggressively displaying their support for Fedorov and opposition to Syrsky, but to no avail. They keep on putting out material about the murders and torture prevalent in units Syrsky created and curated, with deserters and retreaters executed. A body in a forest, decapitated and without internal organs. The army said it was suicide.
>Pro-Fedorov protestors, July 18
>Some soldiers and former officers aligned with the liberals have come out against Syrsky. But on Syrsky’s side are the commanders of the two Azov Corps, the most powerful, respected, and ideologically extreme sections of the Ukrainian army. The self-proclaimed ‘White Fuhrer, Andrii Biletsky, supports General Syrsky, and Zelensky gave him a prestigious award yesterday for his efforts. Lower-level troops expressing their support for Fedorov and opposition to Syrsky are being threatened by army command.
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>Syrsky
>Meanwhile, Syrsky held a secret meeting with Zelensky’s supposedly resigned chief of staff Andrii Yermak, showing the continued omnipotence of the Ukrainian deep state. With Fedorov gone and the EU relatively nonplussed, Zelensky is likely to restart the campaign he started in July 2025 — a final solution of the Sorosite problem, the liquidation of the anti-corruption structures. He’s tired of the anti-corruption organs constantly bringing charges against his ‘Family’, whether Yermak or anyone else.
>Yermak, alias ‘Ali Baba’ or ‘the Surgeon’
>And Zelensky has just the man for the job — Oleksandr Poklad, alias ‘the Strangler’, once an imprisoned mobster, then the main government assassin, and now, the new head of the Security Services of Ukraine (SBU). Zelensky, Yermak, and the rest of their ‘Family’ is not willing to depart the stage under the increasingly insistent blows of corruption probes.
does zelya have the balls to carry out the purge of nabu and sapo? he was dastardly coward the last time he tried.
>42 ballistic missiles and about ten hypersonic missiles, in combination with kamikaze drones, attacked Kiev and its environs that night. This was the largest blow to Kiev since the beginning of the SMO.
>>2870629the problem with forever wars is that at some point the bourgeoise starts asking for investment returns.
at what point is ukraine accountably profitable? spreadsheets need to tally. and the amusement of Russians killed don't forever offset red numbers.
>>2870629>WE WANT WAR WE WANT WAR WE WANT WAR HOW DO WE ESCALATE TO START WW3???????Ok and the counter to this European bourgeoisie going insane and being a death cult is to…not take the bait and to not start any wars so they have no justification and can continue spinning themselves into nothing.
>>2870758Russia's not using incendiary drones, though. If something smokes, it's because of secondary detonations. And Ukrainians did report those
>>2870245Are these really
FOR Fedorov and not
ANTI Zelensky and his government?
What did the retard even do? Fire more drones, capture less meat from the streets?
>>2871132The treatler wars have begun
>>2870975pro fedorov.
only anti syrsky.
they truly believe that syrsky is a Russian that is playing for Russia. or that he's a soviet, and because of that he's bad.
or that he has the 'butcher' alias, thus he's sending in waves to get killed, no regards for the soldiers (as if).
same people from the 2025 protests.
Out 160 ships claimed to be hit by the pro-ukrainian crowd, there's only confirmed footage of 8, or 5%.
this expressed by
https://nitter.net/failure1991/status/2078643928111206891>Well now there is an update. The Ukrainians claimed to have hit 160 ships. But in this post and the next you will see they hit : 8. Or 5% of what they claimed they hit /1>You'll recognize them from a number of video clips I posted and those who posted in reply to me to prove more were hit. Sorry, this is it. 5% of UKR claims /2>>2871137>The treatler wars have begunThe labubu was a warning sign. The creepy grin on that thing. That rabbi who warned about the goyim making idols might've been onto something.
>>2871239Not sure if either fits this binary
Luxemburg was ultra
Lenin did not have some blanket support for Ukrainian independence or bourgeois independence in general. As the revolution unfolded he fought the bourgeois state that declared independence and foreign support for it. He instead outsourced the question of the state to the communist party of Ukraine and its congress (in 1918 if i recall right), which resolved the contradiction.
>>2871296Also as an ultra I think Luxemburg was ahead of her time. Her ideas about nationalism in eastern Europe were premature. They bore our truth later, clearly overthrowing the 3 conservative empires that occupied the east would not fuel the left for long as we now know, but at the time a position on forming nation states was still necessary imo
>>2871169it doesn't matter, the western media will still print it anyway.
>>2871439>UA 'skala' spec ops were deployed to plant the flag in one of the main buildings in Konstantinovka, western district>Russian 4th Brigade expected them>????bad ukrainian habit of sending people to make PR.
>>2871169Haha only 8 ships from the brothers that collapsed and scraped the barell years ago
>>2871239Rosa ahead of her time tbh
>>2871169>be ukrop>get videos from the whole front showing roughly 50 kia "russians" in a week>multiply that by a 100congrats you have killed 5000 russians in a week
>>2871502>bombing a food ship and killing a dozen of indians and syriansRussia is truly showing those nazis
>>2871816what do you think the ukrops have been doing faggot?
>>2871818also what kind of hypocrisy is this? ukrops published their own footage showing their drones attacking tankers and such, openly admitted it and boasted about it. russians respond in kind and then you come here talking about some innocent workers the russians are killing on those tankers? fuck off
>>2871818>>2871823It would only be hypocrisy if I supported the hohols though. Just pointing out the reactive tit for tar terrorist war crime thing Russia is doing is fucking cringe
>>2871808nah she's still wrong about self determination
>>2871828She was completely 100% correct seethe harder nationalistoid.
>>2871826fuck off, paid shill
>>2871921Even Marx and Engels were for polish independence. Rosa was a reactionary through and through
https://english.news.cn/europe/20260720/f4a1211a64684e0d89be490c284f0035/c.html
<Russian company launches second batch of low-orbit satellites
>MOSCOW, July 20 (Xinhua) – Russian aerospace company Bureau 1440 has launched a second batch of low-Earth orbit satellites as part of its efforts to build a communications constellation, local media reported Monday.The satellites were successfully launched on Sunday and have been placed under the control of the company's mission control center after separating from the launch vehicle and reaching their designated parking orbit, according to the company.
>The satellites will begin transferring to their operational orbit following in-orbit checks and commissioning, the company added.
>The newly launched satellites are equipped with upgraded systems, including inter-satellite laser communication terminals and plasma propulsion systems, all built on the company's proprietary platform.
>Bureau 1440, part of Russia's ICS Holding, is developing a domestic low-Earth orbit satellite constellation to provide high-speed data transmission services with global coverage. The company launched its first 16 satellites in March and plans to deploy more than 250 in total.This replaces the need and use of elon's low orbit satellite networks across ukraine.
Original:
https://nitter.net/Thorkill65/status/2078604862741475545(Original language: In Polish. Machine translated)
Erasing Syrskyi.
>In connection with the quasi "civil war" currently underway in Ukraine, within the former power bloc, as part of the media campaign being conducted against Gen. Syrskyi, his previous achievements are being stripped away. An example of this is the post below, authored by @Tatarigami_UA
>I look at this with a certain amusement. In February 2024, during the dismissal of Gen. Zaluzhnyi, something similar was done, but against him. Back then, it was written that the defense of Kyiv in February-March 2022 was not the merit of Gen. Zaluzhnyi but of Syrskyi. Today, as seen below, it turns out that the Ukrainian capital was defended by lower-ranking officers after all.
>This is a return to the narrative about that battle from 2022-2023. At that time, Gen. Zaluzhnyi and his people were interested in glossing over the actual role of Syrskyi and his staff in that battle. This found expression, for example, in the RUSI publication titled "The Battle of Irpin River," where, due to deliberate omissions, the participation of one of Syrskyi's closest collaborators, Gen. A. Barhylevych—who was responsible for the defense of the Irpin River line in February-March 2022—was completely erased from it.
>Facts.
>On February 10, 2022, the Ukrainian General Staff creates the Kyiv Defense Grouping (KDG Kyiv). Gen. Syrskyi is appointed as its commander. This tactical group included just one line brigade—the 72nd Mechanized Brigade. For this purpose, its 1st Mechanized Battalion was decided to be pulled from the ATO. On February 12, the KDG Kyiv staff began operating, with Gen. A. Barhylevych as its chief.
>On February 21, as part of the "Blizzard 2022" exercises, units of the 72nd Mechanized Brigade (except for the 2nd Mechanized Battalion) left their permanent bases and were deployed to the alarm sectors around Kyiv that had been pre-planned by Syrskyi and his staff. >On February 24, 2022, Gen. Syrskyi appointed Gen. A. Barhylevych as commander of the military grouping defending the Irpin River line. On February 25, the Ukrainian military grouping defending the Irpin River line halted the vanguard of the Russian 35th Army from the "East" Grouping of Forces in Horenka.
>From February 25 to March 14, 2022, the KDG Kyiv successfully halted units of the 35th Army in the battles of Irpin and Moshchun and held the defense on the Irpin River line. In this way, Kyiv was saved.
>The "Hostomel operation"—whatever that means—is a complete fabrication, created to hide Zelenskiy's mistakes and incompetence from the period before the war broke out, as well as the mistakes of Gen. Zaluzhnyi, Shmyhal, and Litvinov (commander of the "Volyn" Operational Command) from the period of February 24-25, 2022. The truth is that Syrskyi saved all their asses back then, turning a highly unfavorable initial operational situation to his advantage.
>Based on the content of this post, one can see what political-personal games have been playing out since 2022 around the course of the battle for Kyiv. To this, one can also add Trump's recent "barroom" tales "about hundreds of Putin's tanks driving on a solid, very good highway to Kyiv, which got stuck in the mud because some commander—who is no longer with us—decided to drive off it." In summary, I hope that soon all this will at least in Poland be partially cut through by a publication describing the course of that battle in relative detail.I remember, too, the boasting, the triumphant announcement of the new flamming Syrsky. And I too, remember, the same cheering crowd doing the same for nazilushny.
>>2871816>>2871826let's cut to the chase in this 'tit-for-tat' nonsense.
the ones that started things were the cia-backed nazis. since the day Yanukovich announced that what the EU planned to do would jeopardize Ukraine's industrial economy, and the nazis simply wanted either to secede or take kiev, the things escalated was because of the us-regime-backed morons in ukriane, even against the warnings of Russia that was clear since day one. but this goes back to the 50s.
Every time I encounter russian liberals I think there's no hope for russia
How do you get anything done with those demons in your midst? Unless you do a mass exorcism that will make the great purge look like a joke
>>2869737>>2869779>Kiev getting rocked on the reg<But Champagne is wrong about the small smokey fires! He is! He is!Like I keep saying; tryhards.
>>2872029marx and engels were retarded eurocentrists and never set foot in that country, rosa has, cope, she is right and marx and engels were wrong.
>>2872138they got pretty quite after kiev's big smokes.
so much, it had to be the UA ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine that cried wolf after kiev got it's round of of beatings. largest one since the first day of the SMO.
>>2872302I think these ukrainians simply believe in what the western media says about their politicians, military, etc.
Zelya fires their beloved fedorov?
>I support the governmentthe support is in Brussels, Washington.
this is what happens when gusano-minded individuals take power.
https://www.twz.com/land/new-500m-artillery-shell-plant-failed-to-produce-any-155mm-partsNew $500M Artillery Shell Plant Failed To Produce Any 155mm Parts
<A scathing new Pentagon Inspector General report found problems at the plant delayed the Army's 100,000 round-per-month goal.
>The inability of a munitions plant in Mesquite, Texas, to build a key part set back the U.S. Army’s plans for ramping up production of 155mm shells to 100,000 rounds per month, according to a scathing new report by the War Department’s Office of Inspector General (DOWIG). Despite receiving close to $500 million from the U.S. Army funded through supplemental spending bills from Fiscal Years 2022 and 2023, General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems (GD-OTS), failed to make a single subcomponent needed to produce the badly needed shells as of last March.
>“Without the 30,000 additional projectile metal parts anticipated from the Mesquite facility, the Army will be unable to reach its monthly capability goal of 100,000 155-mm artillery rounds,” the report concluded. “As of March 2026, the CPE A&E [Capability Program Executive Ammunition & Energetics] officials have not developed a plan to produce the additional rounds that are supposed to be produced at the Mesquite facility.”[…]
<UPDATE: 1:20 PM EDT July 15 –
>GDOTS responded to our request for comment.
>“GDOTS and our U.S. Army customer have reached an agreement on a path forward for the Mesquite facility, which includes additional GDOTS investment to complete the project. We appreciate the collaborative efforts of the U.S. Army in working toward a positive resolution that enables this facility to deliver essential munitions to the U.S. military. For additional information, we refer inquiries to the U.S. Army.”Lmao
>>2872022Not surprised Ukrainians want negotiation
From all I've talked to over the years they want out of the war and Ukraine altogether
Volunteers told me the draftees desert and just walk. The politics of the war isn't there, nobody sees conquering the east as part of Ukrainian rebirth finally making it European. Zelensky is unpopular
A month ago I had a taxi driver tell me things were better under Yanukovych before the mess starts lmao
Ukrainians are more survival oriented than ideological in my experience. It's just decades of an increasingly fucked up country to them
>>2872757I can’t see the part where there’s bipartisan support for protecting billionaire paedophiles and everyone just kinds of ignores that and keeps presenting their society as a model for all other countries to follow and violently imposes it wherever that model is rejected.
>>2872765You have to read until the end to the israel part to see it
>>2872769Again I can’t see the part where they armed Israel knowing the targets would almost-exclusively be civilian, then getting bored of only supplying and wanted in on the action and sent a cruise missile at a girls school
Like there doesn’t need to be favouritism between bourgeois governments to think this conflict is a result of NATO expansionism and therefore wish to see said expansionism to fail, but if you want to make it about favouritism then obviously the US and EU is going to lose every time.
>>2872851So your motivation for picking sides was just favouritism?
>>2872862thats all there is to picking sides in inter-imperialist conflicts, all that nonsense people talk about which side is "objectively" more progressive is just astrology for news addicts
>b-but marx and lenin also did it!yes and they were retarded for doing it too
>>2872890Well not really, say you have two guys arrested for a bar fight, you can have the opinion that both are complete arseholes and we’re looking for trouble but ultimately responsibility falls on the one who threw the first punch.
Opinions concerning the character of the US government and Russian government are an irrelevancy and therefore so is personal favouritism. The conflict broke out because NATO expanded up to Russia’s borders, which they knew themselves was problematic enough for Moscow to have lied about not intending to expand. Anons have for years tried to sour me on Russia based on stuff I wholly don’t care about, because once again, I’m anti-NATO rather than pro-Russia.
>>2872890you type like a Liberal son
Like NATO expansionism has gotten us as close to nuclear war (if not closer) as the most escalatory events throughout the cold war, but that’s supposed to be equally weighted with the United Russia party copying how they distribute their party offices from Japan’s most popular chud party?
Who gives a fuck about the mechanics of bourgeois parties? Did you know that United Russia campaigns for people’s votes and then ignores them once elected, just like the American Republican Party does? What a revelation, everyone better become very neutral towards NATO expansionism.
NUKE UKRAINE
>>2872931Lol, lmao even. Proves that the only reason DPRK or Cuba had hard was because they were sanctioned
>>2872581>>2872580huh? the west is posting these?
things are ogre.
I remember when I posted various of those busification videos back in 2025, someone in this very thread replied 'huuuuh but do you know they are recorded in Moscow and are fake ukranian TCC'
>>2872851this conflict is older than ussr
>>2873086>muh first punchFuck around and find out
>>2873086No, the Cold War was ended on the promise (whether legally binding or not) that NATO wouldn’t exploit the situation to expand and surround Russia, they knew they needed to make this promise or the fall of the wall was going to be a lot messier for reasons all too obvious now.
They knew expansion was a hostile act and they performed it anyway, repeatedly, ignoring all complaints from Russia, refusing all diplomacy with Russia, until it gets to the point where people speaking the same language are shooting at each other.
Treats status?
>>2873159>They knew expansion was a hostile act and they performed it anyway, repeatedly, ignoring all complaints from Russia, refusing all diplomacy with Russia, until it gets to the point where people speaking the same language are shooting at each other.Yes, and not just complaints from Russia, but objections from policy experts on their own side, too.
>>2872851This. No war but class war. Ukrainians should turn their guns on their oligarchs and Russians should turn their guns on their oligarchs. Hundreds of thousands of people on both sides have died pointlessly. To point out how fake this all is: Zelensky used to tour around Russia to perform. All the elites on both sides know each other personally and hang out together. It's why they don't bother trying to kill each other but are happy to throw grunt soldiers at each other instead, because once this war ends they're all going to party in their regulsr Dubai or Swiss Alps vacation spots.
>>2873159Countries with nukes don't get to claim other countries are a threat to them, they are immune to attack. It literally doesn't matter if Ukraine were part of NATO, Russia is still safe from attack. This is merely an imperial excuse.
>>2872851It is nearly impossible for that to happen unfortunately. In Russia, only the older generations (ie those born in the USSR) are still nostalgic for the USSR, and they're also susceptible to being brainwashed into buying into Putinised Soviet nostalgiabait that is just his existing fascism waving the Soviet flag. Ukrainians view communism as a foreign imperial imposition and hate it thoroughly, the left there is basically a non-starter. I think all of Eastern Europe is a write off for the left for the foreseeable future, actually.
>>2872890<b-but marx and lenin also did it!>yes and they were retarded for doing it tooI think you can think of war as like a stress test for political and economic systems and what they reveal about them and the implications of the ongoing disaster (which we're already staring stupefied at) for the social order. It's interesting to read what Marx wrote about the Crimean War.
Early on in this war it became obvious Europe was run by a bunch of bunglers. Myrmidons of mediocrity! Like the European Commission, how scary. If you were in Moscow looking west, I'm sure you'd be quivering at Ursula von der Leyen. Really going to inspire the Germans to march to the gates of Valhalla there. Not.
But a couple of years later, it doesn't seem like Putin was the 4d chessmaster everybody thought he was either. Or that fat piece of shit Orban. There's a Darwinian process of political selection in which the boomers get taken out by younger and more vigorous people. This account crying about that the other day was funny, to me.
4 years of inter-imperialist war and the Ziggers have failed to provide any rational justification for continued support of the Russian government.
>Ukraine persecutes Communists!
So does Russia. In fact Russia has even recently launched criminal charges against KPRF deputies and arrested others. One Communist candidate, who happened to be born in Ukraine, and even supported the "SMO", was disqualified from running in an electoral contest.
>Ukraine destroys Communist monuments!
So does Russia. Russian Marxists have repeatedly pointed out that active demolition provokes too much oppositon from locals, so the preferred approach of the Russian government is to not perform any upkeep or maintenance so that the structures eventually rot and they can take them down permanently for "safety" reasons.
>Ukraine brainwashes their population with pro-capitalist and fascist ideology!
So does Russia. People like Dugin and Malofeev have been elevated in prominence. Shows or movies focused on the Soviet period universally portray it as negative in order to inculcate anti-Communism in the youth (the GDR series, the Trotsky movie, the recent series focusing on the Bolsheviks which accused Lenin of being a western agent, etc.).
>Ukraine entering NATO would enable them to have first strike capabilities!
Russia has a nuclear armed submarine fleet that, like Israel, can launch final retaliation strikes even if everything on land and air has been destroyed. Ukraine being a massive security threat is complete bullshit. Also, if Ukraine truly were such a humongous threat, then Putin should level the country to the ground like in WW2 against Nazi Germany, but the same people pushing this notion of a grave threat have also been caught multiple times playing off Ukranian attacks (Kursk, Refineries destroyed, current Crimea blockade) as not a big deal. They're caught between lies because they have to push two contradictory notions, that of Ukranian strikes not being a big deal while somehow Ukraine is also a dangerous fascist state that must be blotted out forever.
>Muh NATO expansion!
Armenia Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan are all expanding cooperaton with NATO. Sweden and Finland also joined NATO. Clearly this was not a real reason otherwise Russia would be at war with multiple more countries than they sre currently.
>Muh persecuted Russians in the Donbas!
Are Russians safer now than before the war started? Clearly the security of all Russians has gotten much worse.
Honestly it's astonishing how much one can learn just by popping into Russian Marxist telegram channels. Neither Russia nor Ukraine should be supported. If a peace can be brokered then workers everywhere should support it.
>>2873382 they do when their opposition tried to join the global imperial death gang
>>2873447They wanted to join it to spare them from exactly what is happening to them now. Their critical error was thinking the Americans would ever let them in, which they weren't. They only wanted to deprive Russia of another ally.
>>2873382>Countries with nukes don't get to claim other countries are a threat to them, they are immune to attack. Israel has nukes and has been attacked by Iran. Pakistan and India both have nukes and fought each other last year. The Us and Soviet Union both had nukes and nearly started a nuclear war. North Korea has nukes and the US, ROK, and Japan continue to threaten them.
>>2873444The better outcome would be anti-conscription protests growing in Ukraine into worker protests
>>2873471None of those were existential. Iran did not actually threaten to overrun Israel. India and Pakistan have the ability to escalate into all-out war that would necessitate using nukes but backed down. Literally immune to all attack? No, not unless you have an absolutist nuclear policy (ie we respond to all attacks with nuclear weapons, which I don't think any country actually practices).
The point is that Putin was not going to be toppled by invading Americans, he has 5500 nuclear warheads between him and them. It wasn't happening. It was never going to happen. It's just an excuse.
>>2873480Excuses. You literally can't argue against this, you're just grasping at straws because you're Russian Imperialists but refuse to admit it and need a justification for doing what you're doing.
>>2873477I'm sorry did India conquer Pakistan cuz it turned out their nukes were fake or something? I must have missed that, I swore that Pakistan still very much existed.
>>2873488How's Israel's nukes are working out for them, btw?
>Literally immune to all attack? No, not unless you have an absolutist nuclear policyOh, you're moving goalposts. Nice. Shut the fuck up next time, dumbfuck.
>>2873498It's not a goalpost move, my language was just too literal. But go ahead, Ivan. You think nukes aren't an immunity shield? Invade France. Do it. I dare you. I dare you to try to invade a country that has nuclear weapons and not get vaporized.
Israel's nukes make it immune to destruction. Its enemies can rage against them all they want, there is nothing that can be done. Israel will nuke any country that seriously attempts to destroy them.
>>2873498They're doing great, most of the bombing happens in the arab states, Israel is not going to collapse because of direct attacks, that's for sure.
Also doesn't count obviously since they're the attackers (actual attack on Iranian territory, which Ukraine did not do prior to the war) so the choice of using nukes or not is on them, and striking back or letting yourself get bombed has no impact on that choice
>>2872862no it was mostly hatred of the anti prole hohol government
>>2873531>>2873532>Israel's nukes make it immune to destruction.lol
lmao
Okay, Mossad. How did South Africa's nukes save them, btw?
Keep squealing, btw. I love walking into this thread every time.
>>2873537Was South Africa invaded? No, it wasn't. It collapsed internally. So you're still wrong, tankoid. The same is true of Israel - only internal collapse will get rid of it, it can nukes any external invader. It's true whether you want it to be or not, though I'd love to see you vaporised for trying if you're actually stupid enough to think you're right.
>>2873537>south africaYou can't nuke your own territory, how is that an own ?
>>2873539>anti-communist threatens me and wants to see me deadI know. Trust me. Yet people are always so shocked, when I return the attitude.
>only internal collapse will get rid of itNow tell me, are fucking dumb enough to believe that being under constant attack good for internal stability? Do we need to bring up news of Israelis just dipping?
American support is literally the only thing keeping Israel alive, and even that's barely enough, anymore.
>>2873476>None of those were existentialThey are actually. Iran doesn't need to physically invade Israel to make it uninhabitable and the expressed aims of US/Israel are nothing less than the destruction of Iran, similar to Nato's ideal result with the dissolution of the Russian federation. Pakistan and India are fighting over water resources neither of which can go without. It's absurd to say that denuking NK isn't conceived of along similar lines, and it's just stupid to say that nuclear war between the United States and Soviet Union wasn't "existential."
>The point is that Putin was not going to be toppled by invading AmericansThe entire point of using Ukraine as a proxy was to try and foment enough unrest inside Russia to induce regime change. Saying that Putin wasn't going to be toppled by the American military is a non sequitur.
>>2873531>I dare you to try to invade a country that has nuclear weapons and not get vaporized.The Ukraine invaded Russia and didn't get vaporized.
>>2873546They don't need to put Ukraine in NATO in order to do that, this is, again, just an excuse.
Your first point doesn't even make sense, I have no idea what you're talking about. Nothing you're talking about was an existential threat - Pakistan and India could always escalate their spats to existential threats that would require a nuclear response, but they've backed down every time. Nothing Iran has or can do to Israel is an existential threat, so it doesn't need to expend its nuclear arsenal against it.
>>2873550And they got nowhere, so what does that prove? It's like saying because Pakistan and India didn't nuke each other last year the nukes don't mean anything or something. The nukes prevent one state from destroying the other state. Ukraine can't destroy Russia, it's not even on the table.
>>2873532>They're doing greatIsrael's economy is in the shitter and if any one of its essential desalination plants were rendered inoperable or destroyed then the situation would quickly escalate anywhere from "untenable" to "total disaster."
>>2873563Literal "Russia is being sanctioned they're done for" tier argument. It doesn't matter if their economy is in the shitter, they're still dominating the fight and have a nuclear fallback plan if it ever goes wrong. All Israel's enemies can do is try to acquire nuclear weapons in order to force Israel to stop attacking them on pain of MAD, there is nothing else other than trying to turn Israelis against their own government that can actually make them stop.
>>2873553>but they've backed down every timeDamn. So entitled to the pattern holding.
Even though Pakistan is an agricultural country and started diverting water away, making the threat existential.
>>2873569You can portray anything as existential for propaganda purposes but that just shows you as even more of a joke for refusing to engage with whether a given issue is *actually* existential to the state or not.
>>2873553>They don't need to put Ukraine in NATO in order to do that, this is, again, just an excuse.Another non sequitur given the facts.
>Your first point doesn't even make sense, I have no idea what you're talking about.I'm sorry you don't really seem to know or understand much of anything, but maybe if that's the case you should pipe down?
>>2873560>And they got nowhere, so what does that prove? That nuclear weapons don't preclude armed invasion.
>>2873566>It doesn't matter if their economy is in the shitter,If their economy is in the shitter then it is proof positive of serious material problems within and surrounding the country, and that it is not in fact "doing great."
>they're still dominating the fight and have a nuclear fallback plan if it ever goes wrong. Then things must not be going very well considering they've deployed their nuclear attack subs.
https://weichert.substack.com/p/israels-dolphin-class-submarine-changesBut in any case, try not to hurt your back moving those goalposts.
>>2873573You might not know this but people and plants need water to live, and who controls that resource is in fact existential to those that don't.
>>2873575You WISH you could make me shut up.
>That nuclear weapons don't preclude armed invasion. - Only so long as the invasion isn't existential
- They actually could, if that state chooses to be absolutist about it. The Russians could, say preclude any attack on them whatsoever by threatening a nuclear response to absolutely any attack of any kind, they simply haven't chosen to do so.
>>2873573>denying water>to an agrarian economy>not existential>>2873566>Israel is a raw resource exporter, just like Russia!>that means the same argument is bad!Thank you, Tweedledumb and Tweedledumber, for cementing my views by barging in to argue like complete imbeciles. I hope you're getting paid for this, btw. Imagine being such dumbfucks for free.
>>2873578And yet, they backed down. Almost like it wasn't an existential threat worth bringing the nukes out for.
>>2873531Just take the L.
>>2873583I do not concede to Russians under any circumstances. Their psyops officers are notorious for engaging in exactly this kind of word cop shit (which is why I suspect that's who I'm talking to right now). I will defend my position to the literal death.
(USER ALREADY BANNED) >>2873582By that logic nothing short of an active nuclear strike is an existential threat, and so merely possessing nuclear weapons does not in fact preclude armed threats up to and including invasions from other countries.
I appreciate the help in proving my point. It was great working with you.
>>2873582>be presented with a "now or later" choice>choose "later"<That means they will choose "later"Pakistan is rapidly increasing its military spending, btw.
>>2873587Seethe, NAFO. The L is coming. Whether you want it, or not.
>>2873587People pointing out that you're wrong and how isn't a Russian psyop.
>>2873597Yes, it is. Reality has a Russian bias.
>>2873598Oh shit I forgot
>>2873531The west is bombing moscow and russia sends no nukes, they even support israel, nukes are paper tiger
>>2873600The US fears Russian nukes because yankee bombs are ancient and their infrastructure so decrepit they can't make more.
https://searchlightnm.org/in-a-looming-nuclear-arms-race-aging-los-alamos-lab-faces-a-major-test/ >>2873603In the late 60s america had 31,000+ warheads, now it only has 3700 serviceable
>their worldview is dogshit
>power of perception doesn't do shit
>reality is a rapist - it doesn't matter if you consent, it doesn't matter if you're enjoying yourself, it's coming, anyway
So they barge into a Mongolian basket weaving forum to spread their "perception" (because reality is a lie agreed upon o algo lmao), refusing to 'concede' anything, as if their consent fucking matters. And they walk away, bitter and broken.
I love idealists suffering. Disgusting animals. It's the intellectual equivalent of slow-bleeding hogs.
>>2873612My boss at the KGB just sent me an email congratulating me on another job well done.
>>2873615The countries that possess a credible nuclear second-strike capability against america, meaning they have the ability to absorb a nuclear attack and retaliate, are Russia, China, and the DPRK. nukes are literally a paper tiger
its so funny how ukrainian liberal protesters dismiss everything to do with the october revolution as cringe and horrible and yada yada only to reinforce specifically bolshevik party lines abt soldiers electing their own officers lololol
>>2873603The US is bombing moscow, destroying wild berries treats, sinking cruisers. Russia is sending no nukes, they don't even bomb the west, they support CIA parties like AfD, they might as well have no nukes
>>2873624>Russia support AfDAnd then there's
this asshole.
>>2873612I literally don't care if Ukraine loses, I will never support Russia, and you can't make me; might makes right is not persuasive in the slightest. Your only options are to accept that or kill me, I will not change my mind.
>>2873624America is about to destroy its own economy in the war with Iran. Nukes aren't nearly as powerful as yankee stupidity.
>>2873626The frog has boiled, there is no red line, america will nuke moscow and russia will issue a strong condemnation letter at the UN because israelis died in the blast
>>2873627>I literally don't care if Ukraine loses, I will never support RussiaOh, we know, you Western chauvinist fuck. God knows the kind of squealing we will be subjected to, when you
finally have to go to bat for your imperialism yourself.
I am perfectly capable of doing both.
The whole world will be over in less than an hour. It's never going to happen because it poses no advantage to anyone.
>>2873631Be silent, dumb lib. The only reason we didn't have a nuclear war already is one vote. One.
>>2873630Remember the zigger Trumpians
>>2873612Did people predict that socialist in the 21st century would worship the carcass of the sovit union?
>>2873635One vote? Vote? Whose? No I can say for sure about America, that there is no scenario where they are going to lose an existential war and not press the button. There will never be some existential war with Russia or China, they will press the fucking button if it comes down to it, they will strike first before a war happens.
>>2873633Survival is a species interest. Not a class one. And class interests override all other interests.
>>2873639Yeah, and they'll press the button if it comes down to it.
>>2873159>the Cold War was ended on the promise (whether legally binding or not) that NATO wouldn’t exploit the situation to expand and surround RussiaI hate geopolitiks lmao. Talking like an 1930s retard about state and capital "promises".
>>2873638https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov>There was no contact from Moscow for several days. Earlier the crew had intercepted U.S. civilian broadcasts, but at depth they could not receive radio traffic while evading pursuit. The men did not know whether war had already begun. Captain Valentin Grigoryevich Savitsky believed hostilities might have started and wanted to launch a nuclear T-5 torpedo.
>On most Soviet submarines armed with nuclear torpedoes, only the captain and political officer were required to authorize a launch. On B-59, a third signature was needed because Vasili Arkhipov was also chief of staff of the brigade (the actual brigade commander was Captain First Rank Vasili Naumovich Agafonov). The three men were Captain Savitsky, Political Officer Ivan Maslennikov, and Executive Officer Arkhipov. An argument followed, with only Arkhipov opposing the launch.One. Vote.
>>2873645I get teary eyes about the same stories but I don't know the relevance. I will tell you to another Cold War story that made me teary eyed:
>>2873622I think it was Ellsburg but there is another book that came out around the same time. Anyways, the guy said that even in their drills for this doomsday scenario that there were guys who would not press the button and launch their nukes and kill tens of thousands of innocent people. Restores your faith in humanity innit?
>>2873370lol, lmao.
ukraine corruption🤝 us regime corruption
>>2873622I think "absorb" in this context is being able to launch after you get nuked in a first strike. We would've still just nuked each other to death though.
>>2873621Eastern Euros are based in particular respects, they will go out and protest the sacking of their chief military guy, or demand a particular guy be their war chief. These are like the Ukraine libs who go to Starbucks. You'll never get Americans being like DEFEND CHAIRMAN MILLEY, that's just a leftypol meme.
>>2873630IMO I think this is probably downstream of a change in the White House. Opinions are only worth what governments pay for them, in any case.
>>2873641Than you for admitting only violence can solve this problem and talking is pointless.
>>2873657Honestly we need to kill every fucking faggot in the Beltway. This is the only way for us to live. They need to die.
>>2873658You're going to hurt your back trying to carry your goalposts and all these Ls.
>>2873662Infinitely preferable to switching sides. I am immovable. My mind is impervious.
>>2873666Nobody is asking you to switch sides. You're just going to be another corpse when retaliation against the West comes full swing.
>>2873668I look forward to shooting your babushka.
>>2873670Dude is a Canadian.
The day an American carrier gets sunk, lost with 50-80% of all aboard, is the day I will smile with genuine happiness and hope for a bright future will be possible.
>>2873670Several million Ukrainians are dead or injured trying, already. Feel free to join them. Crimea ain't going nowhere.
>>2873672>The day an American carrier gets sunk, lost with 50-80% of all aboard, is the day I will smile with genuine happiness and hope for a bright future will be possible.Hell yeah brother.
>>2873537>I love walking into this thread every time.>>2873612>It's the intellectual equivalent of slow-bleeding hogs.what's not to love, they come here and it's their ritual of fetishized humiliation.
it's like if you see a moron walking barefoot over a bed of hot embers or stones in public for free, one must graze and enjoy the spectacle. in their case, it's like watching people degrading themselves in love island. you don't watch it because you want
catharsis, you watch it because 'oh god, they make me feel intelligent'.
>>2873672No, you will come to me. Your rage and inability to stop killing people who won't bend the knee will drive you to attack other countries endlessly, and I am more than happy to let them kill some of you before you get to mine.
>>2873671>>2873670A Canadian-Ukrainian, this story gets deep.
>>2873677>No, you will come to me.lol
>Your rage and inability to stop killing people who won't bend the knee will drive you to attack other countries endlesslylmao
>The Rest will act like The West!The fucking projection, man. All The Rest needs to do is cut you off, and tell you to go fuck yourself. All your shitholes will promptly collapse without treats.
>>2873680I don't actually care so long as I personally don't change my mind. My country could collapse, it would not change my mind about Russia. Nothing ever will so long as Russians do not kill Putin.
>>2873679>>2873613So what's the story with Syrsky's replacement?
>>2873627>I will never support Russia, and you can't make meno one wants you to support Russia ITT. you are free to go to any other place, lmao.
but you can't resort to silly arguments to justify equating both on the same level in a place that requires critical thinking, studies history to find out about the roots of the issue, and ponders more seriously the reactionary ethos of neolib nazis running ukraine. you are free to go elsewhere. in fact some time ago guys like you had their own thread. but I guess that coming here and being called stupid was funnier for your ilk because (I guess, I never visited those threads) the circlejerk gets boring quickly.
>>2873692the eu is being neutral about syrsky, so I don't think he will be replaced.
when nabu and sapo were threatened by zelya last year it was the eu screeching that stopped zelya. not the people in the streets who for the looks are exempt of mobilization, holding cardboard signs claiming the two institutions are the beacons of hope in ukraine.
I get zero replies despite dropping fax.
>unironic russians are evol orcs rhetoric
what is this shit, reddit?
>>2873736nature is not evil it's perfectly amoral
>>2873736I'm from /uhg/ thank you very much
>>2873728
>honest question
>eugenic question
/pol/ is a better place for you.
>>2873748doesn't answer my question nor does it refute the thesis
>>2873747>>2873748Veneuzela flag anon are you a Russian? Are you the previous Ushanka flag poster? What is life there? There is very few posters here that are Russians despite the supporters like the Champaign Brit fag and the Tankie Ukrainian-Canadian fag.
>>2873753at this timezone he's more likely to simply be a third world apologist
>>2873720I thought he already had been?
https://kyivindependent.com/breaking-zelensky-dismisses-commander-in-chief-syrskyi-amid-widespread-protests/
<Breaking: Zelensky dismisses Commander-in-Chief Syrskyi after widespread protests, appoints Drapatyi >>2873758>not going to answerYou are an emigre?
>>2873749why should I refute right-wing barmpot talking points when I can laugh at you.
lol, lmao even.
>>2873762>barmpotOh you are another Anglo.
>>2873760>Zelensky thanked Syrskyi for his service, praising his role in some of Ukraine's most significant military operations during the full-scale war.No need to mention how those operations turned out I guess, heh.
>>2873762didn't do that either
>>2873743Oh God, an r/The_Donald refugee. Disgusting.
>>2873769Ah, thanks. Do you know anything about Drapatyi? Would replacing Syrskyi with him be a significant change, or is this a deck chairs maneuver?
>>2873774yeah, gay nazi posted a bit about him:
>>2873613he was inside that BMP or at least that's the claim.
>>2873774>>2873781more of his career.
of course, the ukrainian media paints this man as someone victorious, even in defeat.
beside the 2014 BMP video.
<he Izvaryne "Breakout" (Summer 2014)>And already in June 2014, Drapaty launched a raid with his fighters along the border with the Russian Federation, interrupting the terrorists' supplies. Under intense shelling from Russian territory, they found themselves in the "Izvaryn Cauldron", but under Drapaty's leadership they were able to organize a breakthrough.>"There were days when we were continuously shot at for 7 hours with all types of artillery and mortars. The forces were unequal, help did not arrive, ammunition was running out, almost all the equipment was out of order. And then the units went for a breakthrough, not everyone was able to get out, but those who broke through truly became heroes," said Mykhailo Drapatiy."tl;dr: he receives the order to put himself and his battalion in a cauldroun, and because he could get out with many men, hes deemed a hero.
<Command of the 58th Brigade (2016-2019)Neither wins, nor defeats.
<Defense of Kharkov and retake of Kherson (2022-2023)He's credited for Russia's decision to retreat from Kiev, Chernigov and Sumy as part of the Istanbul negotiations, that gave some breather to his (and generally all UAF) forces giving them a chance of offensive to retake whatever was on the left side of the Dnepr and forced Kharkov retreat.
<Defense of New York / Toretsk (2024)>Drapatyi was appointed as commander of the "Luhansk" Operational-Tactical Group (OTG) in September 2024, covering a front from Bilohorivka to Toretsk and New YorkA total fiasco. but ukrainian media doesn't blame him.
<The Defense of Pokrovsk (Late 2024, early 2025)>In late 2024 and early 2025, Drapatyi was placed in command of the Pokrovsk directionTotal fiasco, again.
<Resignation After the 239th Training Center Strike (June 1, 2025)He was assigned to oversee the training center. Russians k-liber'd the place, and he took the responsability, and resigning his position. 12 soldiers died, 60 injured.
Only place where he's painted as a loser in ukrainian media.
Some sources:
https://espreso.tv/poyasnuemo-zupiniti-rosiyan-na-donechchini-khto-takiy-mikhaylo-drapatiy-yakogo-priznachili-ochilnikom-osuv-khortitsyahttps://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/1076566.htmlI think ukrainians supporting him have a vague idea of the BMP ramming over the barricade, and inmediately that evokes the urge to support him no matter what.
>>2873772>>2873775>>2873778>>2873781>>2873805This whole thread is just a Canadian and an Englishman havin a laff.
>>2873807I am not an English man. I use words, I read. I continously try to improve my SL :D
but hey, I got called stupid for my non-idiomatic wording and Englishman in one single thread. That's a new wonderful achievement.
>>2873808I enjoy your posts.
>>2873805I guess they have to try and dress this pig up as best they can.
I bet Zaluzhny is licking his chops.
>>2873808
>but hey, I got called stupid for my non-idiomatic wording and Englishman in one single thread. That's a new wonderful achievement.Where did you learn this make-believe word?
>>2873762>barmpotI assure you nobody has ever heard it outside of bongland.
>>2873817reading To Play the King by Micahel Dobbs. I'm trying to learn about the mechanics of the UK government in a fun way. he uses a lot of unique English adjectives.
>>2873807And a little bit of chicken fried
Cold beer on a Friday night
A pair of jeans that fit just right
And the radio oooooon
>>2873852Kinda funny. Don't you know I want to exterminate redneck crackers more than you ever possibly could?
>>2870128>robotic Ukrainian ArmyNah, colombian and brazilian mercs, cheaper and easier to replace.
>>2873644You’re missing a ‘because’ there, what you’re saying is
>I hate geopolitk, because the West can’t be trusted or reasoned withIt’s the arena of politics where the West is completely irredeemable and very obviously it’s defeat would be to the benefit of the majority.
>>2873876>THEYRE NOT TINY FIRES!!!!No but they are now completely militarily irrelevant.
>>2874070Just waiting for some pro-Ukrainian to claim this will win the conflict because the children will be weeping when their birthday presents never arrive because the hand of Bandera has burned all the presents.
There’s gotta be an angle about how this targets children.
>>2874070>>2874071The hell are they keeping in those warehouses, anyway?
>>2874073Just the kind of stuff you’d find in an Amazon warehouse, presumably a lot of cardboard for example.
The reason why the Ukrainian have targeted it is because Russia cottoned on to Ukraine using civilian logistics to the fullest extent for moving war material (mainly drones) around the country and have started destroying everything related to logistics including Amazon-like fulfilment centres.
So Ukraine gets to do the “right back at ya” thing to placate their supporters (mainly Jay In Kyiv), but whether Russia actually uses Wildberries or whatever it’s called for military logistics remains to be seen.
>>2874071>Just waiting for some pro-Ukrainian to claim this will win the conflict because the children will be weeping when their birthday presents never arriveThis is what thirdworlists say about the US lmao
>>2874084No “thirdworldists” correctly identify that the entire economy of an imperialist power is dependent on imperialism, that if imperialism were to be curtailed then so too would most economic activity there.
You just get very hurt over the idea that means no more Starbucks and it’s very funny that your imagination of no economy simply means no iPhone.
>>2874084What kind of fucking knuckledragger thinks this is a good "gotcha"?
And you’re called treatlerites because of the insistence that you need a Starbucks coffee to tolerate the stress of working at Starbucks and paying rent to a company that probably owns Starbucks and therefore anyone who wishes to deprive you of Starbucks coffee is your enemy and you HAVE to support anyone who will keep the beans flowing cheaply into the West.
It’s ironic because you’d need think so much bigger than that to comprehend the effect eliminating imperialism would have.
I don't think it's about targeting military logistics in the main though. The pro-Ukraine side will say, hey, look at all these dual-use drones (and also components to configure them to drop munitions) and radios, land navigation equipment, etc. being sold to soldiers via these distribution centers. Sure. But that's just a pretext. The real impact of this is economic.
>>2874093>It’s ironic because you’d need think so much bigger than that to comprehend the effect eliminating imperialism would have.eh, it'd work out fine
>>2874101>The real impact of this is economic.Yeah that’s the only applicable classification but really it just means insurance companies are having a really bad week, it doesn’t really compare to the dream of cutting all Russian energy exports
Tbh I’ve only ever heard of Ozon and it’s suspiciously close name to Amazon, no trademark dispute pls
>>2874116they're fine, afaik warehouses have a liability waiver clause in tos and it is extremely usual to insure wares over there because of crazy rates
extremely unusual
>>2874128Correct
>Insurance coverage among sellers appears to be extremely limited. Insurance industry sources cited by Kommersant estimated that only 5-7% of Wildberries merchants had obtained their own policies, and that only 10-20% of those policies covered sabotage or military-related damage.
>The uncertainty has been intensified by a change to Wildberries’ standard seller agreement that took effect on July 7, just 11 days before the attacks. The new terms exempt the company from liability for losses caused by “force majeure”, explicitly including artillery fire, drone and missile attacks, military equipment, political protests, strikes and riots.https://www.intellinews.com/wildberries-warehouse-strikes-leave-sellers-facing-more-than-1bn-in-losses-455627/Problem for the company right now is that everyone will want to get their inventory out. But where are you gonna put it and can Ozon pick up and the slack and will Ozon also get targeted or not.
>>2874133>The uncertainty has been intensified by a change to Wildberries’ standard seller agreement that took effect on July 7, just 11 days before the attacks.Man these economic attacks have surprising similarities to 9/11 lmao. “Did you know cardboard boxes don’t burn hot enough to melt the corrugated steel roofing?”
>>2874162And similarly Russia is getting slowly bankrupt like the burgers went bankrupt
>>2874087>that if imperialism were to be curtailed then so too would most economic activity thereIf capitalism were curtailed then so would the activity of every country in the world. Obviously destroying the existing economic system disrupts activity currently being carried out on the basis of that system. That's not an observation in support of third-worldism unless you think that the replacement (socialism) would leave people in the West worse off, which has been proven false.
>>2874190>Obviously destroying the existing economic system disrupts activity currently being carried out on the basis of that system. Yes, obviously. But when people say "thirdworldist" on leftypol, they mean anti-imperialist and twist that into
>You want me to lose my job! So much for worker solidarity! I'm now neutral towards the Coca-Cola death squads. destroying the existing economic system is exactly what they do not want to happen.
>>2874206Lucky, all I get is hate mail lmao
>>2874205Ugh, can I make a prediction?
>Ukraine keeps attacking Russian energy, something many countries around the globe depends on<crickets>Russia keeps attacking Ukrainian ports and halts grain exports, something many countries around the globe likewise depends on<outrage and very busy Russian ambassadors >Zelensky signed decrees changing the command staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
>Syrsky was dismissed, and Drapatyy was appointed the new commander-in-chief. Skibiuk replaced Gnatov as head of the General Staff.
100% official now, no more photo op.
>>2874272Russia is pretty confident that Ukraine doesn't have the industrial capacity to keep up strategic bombing while Russia does, and Russia is right.
>>2874337Maybe one day when russia targets drone factories instead of corn and third worlders
>>2874378the refusal to believe that the stoopid arabs could ever strike a US base without help is wild to see, does anyone actually believe iran needs russia for strikes? or is this just more anti russia propaganda?
>>2874385Russia has 110 satellites in orbit, how many does iran have?
>>2874391110 military satellites excuse me
>>2874391>>2874393plus Russia is adding low orbit satellites. for dual-purpose.
>>2872065 No….Ukraine burned billions of labubus…it's over…Putin please resign i can't anymore
>>2874391You don't need satellites in orbit to spot cia hideouts and us bases
Imagine an RF that actually loses the trade war with NATO and collapses, because they are too invested in preserving capitalism to care about who wrangles the wage cattle.
>Ukraine Calls Emergency UN Meeting as Russian Strikes Halt Black Sea Shipping
lol, lmao even.
>>2874745Russia should bomb Ukrainian ports more. Nebenzya should call Putin during any UN session that discusses the matter and ask for more strikes.
>>2874748The only maritime ones remaining operational are in Odessa, so far as I know. and the three are all under heavy attacks constantly, so much, their operations are curtailed. shipping companies are demanding very high war-risk premiums to unload or load their ships for that reason.
what's lmaoing is that you get these cretins boasting their successes (no footage of their claims or:
>>2871169), their osints or nafo crowd re-posting unironically, oil experts talking about that and making assessments using the exact '160 ships' line, and the reality is different.
the reality is the ukrainian side goes to cry wolf in the UN.
>>2874437>return of the le 2% of world economy fights back against 50% nd is winning/at standstill with themYou are destroying your own credibility
Will Saint Putin the merciful finally harden his fuckin' heart once and for all I wonder
[GOOD NEWS] THE SPIRIT OF ANCHORAGE IS STILL ALIVELavrov Reassured Rubio of Russia's Commitment to the Anchorage AgreementsMOSCOW, July 23. /TASS/. In a conversation with U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov once again reaffirmed Russia’s readiness for a diplomatic resolution to the conflict in Ukraine and its commitment to the agreements reached in Anchorage. This was stated in a press release from the Russian Foreign Ministry.
The Russian Foreign Minister reaffirmed Russia’s readiness for a political and diplomatic resolution of the conflict, as well as its commitment to the proposals put forward by the U.S. at the meeting between Presidents Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump in Anchorage, to which the Russian leader had agreed, the ministry noted.
https://tass.ru/politika/27943427 >>2874694>Written in 1913>Finland and Poland are the most progressive This aged like milk and Lenin was wrong. Rosa was proven 100% right in hindsight and anyone who disagrees is not a Marxist (because they are treating Marxism like a religion and Marxists as Prophets who can do no wrong, rather than analyzing reality and conceding obvious points like any real Marxist would do).
>>2874808Yeah well nobody could've predicted Stalinist retardation at that time.
>>2874815Yes, Stalin was at fault for the revolution failing to happen in western europe in 1917, of course
>>2874694>the tsarist monarchy because of their fear of the revolutionary proletariat of Finland and Poland.aged like fucking milk, are you trying to prove my point?
>>2874805>This is what cucktin actually believesthe cucktinposters were right once more
>>2874808>if you think Lenin Marx and Engels are correct about a certain topic you're actually not a marxistmost sophisticated westoid argument
>>2874823Marx and Engels were in fact, not correct on this issue.
The reactionary German Rosa Luxembourg denying Polish and Ukrainian self determination to form their own states is the equivalent of Hasan, Haz or Jackson denying self determination to Puerto Rico or American Samoa. This brand of reactionary thought from the oppressor nations must be rooted out branch and stem
>>2874828>The reactionary German Rosa Luxembourg denying Polish and Ukrainian self determination to form their own states is the equivalent of Hasan, Haz or Jackson denying self determination to Puerto Rico or American Samoa. This brand of reactionary thought from the oppressor nations must be rooted out branch and stemCommunists dont support nation states, cope
>>2874735b-but Ruzzia is totally going to run out of fuel you guys!
>>2874830>ireland should remain forever UKsthis is just great power chauvinism pretending to be 'socialist'
If Putler win i will rename my sailboat "Spirit of Putler"
>>2874835>muh independenceWould only embolden nationalists on both sides.
>>2874880>she thinks there is a contradiction between nationalism and socialismread Stalin
>>2874887>The class-conscious workers fight hard against every kind of nationalism, both the crude, violent, Black-Hundred nationalism, and that most refined nationalism which preaches the equality of nations together with … the splitting up of the workers’ cause, the workers’ organisations and the working-class movement according to nationality. Unlike all the varieties of the nationalist bourgeoisie, the class conscious workers, carrying out the decisions of the recent (summer 1913) conference of the Marxists, stand, not only for the most complete, consistent and fully applied equality of nations and languages, but also for the amalgamation of the workers of the different nationalities in united proletarian organisations of every kind. >>2874899first of all that was Lenin, not stalin
secondly, if you were a real marxist that takes the time to investigate issues, you would understand that when he says 'the most complete, consistent and fully applied equality of nations' he includes the rights to self secession. but you're not
Thirdly Lenin gives the example of Norway seceding from Sweden and praises it as a great example of rights to self secede
>The close alliance between the Norwegian and Swedish workers, their complete fraternal class solidarity, gained from the Swedish workers’ recognition of the right of the Norwegians to secede. This convinced the Norwegian workers that the Swedish workers were not infected with Swedish nationalism, and that they placed fraternity with the Norwegian proletarians above the privileges of the Swedish bourgeoisie and aristocracy. The dissolution of the ties imposed upon Norway by the monarchs of Europe and the Swedish aristocracy strengthened the ties between the Norwegian and Swedish workers. The Swedish workers have proved that in spite of all the vicissitudes of bourgeois policy—bourgeois relations may quite possibly bring about a repetition of the forcible subjection of the Norwegians to the Swedes!—they will be able to preserve and defend the complete equality and class solidarity of the workers of both nations in the struggle against both the Swedish and the Norwegian bourgeoisie.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/self-det/ch06.htmIn conclusion you are a National Socialist, no better than the german fascists that raped europe
>>2874904>the workers were not infected with nationalismsounds good
>>2874880>Would only embolden nationalists on both sides.It's A good thing to embolden Irish nationalists against their colonial occupiers.
But otherwise, yeah, stir trouble into NATO. Every single province of every NATO state is entitled to independence, not autonomy, full statehood with all the complications involved. Call it "self determination",use a few billions worth of NGO money to hire academics to comb the history and make up nationalist claims and grievances for every single group that be given a distinction, real or not. If you can make that into city states, even better.
Then forbid all the legal avenues of trade, flood with weapons to cover, season with drugs to taste, close the lid and let it stew for a few decades.
Anons….please tell me the treats are going to be okay…i can't deal with this anymore…
>>2874904it may be useful to know that the Swedish aristocracy demanded Swedish troops invade Norway to prevent its separation from Sweden. this was stopped by the unions. had they attempted invasion anyway, revolution may well have broken out
our issue is not with nationalism, but with chauvinism. nationalism per se is harmless. this is why Stalin calls the Hitlerites bad nationalists. no good nationalist brings war to their nation, as the Hitlerites did
>>2874884nationalist brainworms are holding vietnam back, so you are proving my point
>>2874975>this was stopped by the unions. had they attempted invasion anyway, revolution may well have broken outneat, didn't know that
>>2874805Russia should just be renamed to Vlasovssia. It's pretty much run by modern day Vlasovites anyways.
>Iran hitting refineries in the region with drones and missiles will destroy the Gulf states economically
<Ukraine hitting Russian refineries and causing local fuel shortages means nothing
>Iran hitting American bases and AD in the region means the Empire is being humiliated
<Ukraine hitting Russian AD and bases means nothing
>Iran threatening to blow up warehouses and data centers would devastate the region
<Ukraine blowing up the warehouses of Russia's largest retailer, responsible for 3% of GDP and 50% of small and medium business online retail orders means nothing
>Iran sinking American ships would end the war overnight
<Ukraine sinking Russian ships means nothing
>Ukraine outlawing communists parties means it should be destroyed
<Death penalty for communists in Iran means nothing
Do you "proletarian vs bourgeois nations" multipolaristas never experience any embarrassment arguing like this?
meanwhile, the global pedo Epstein/CIA/MI6 deep state organized crime cartel is trying to totally turn Pakistan into a pro-Ukraine controlled state after they overthrew the president for not being anti-Russia
>Two Pakistani dissidents living in the UK have spoken about their fear of Pakistan’s attempts to use them as bargaining chips in negotiations to deport a Rochdale grooming gang ringleader. >It is understood the two individuals are Mirza Shahzad Akbar, a former cabinet minister under Imran Khan’s premiership, and Adil Raja, a Pakistani journalist and ex-military officer, who are both accused of spreading “fake news” and anti-regime propaganda. https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/pakistan-dissidents-deportation-grooming-gang-9bv90tjx7>>2874207I like your posts too. I've been in this thread a while and I appreciate those that oppose the hitlerite nafoids constantly trying to shit the thread up.
>>2875133I think the embarrassing thing is that Iran is blowing up every american asset in the region while Russia is sinking the corn. NATO is literally bombing Moscow without any direct retaliation.
>>2874444From what I've read, the thing isn't knowing where the bases are exactly so much as the optimal time to strike them. There are some fixed installations like radar which Iran can hit at will, but a cia base is just an empty box if the staff isn't in it. It seems like at this point Iran is specifically going after essential, irreplaceable infrastructure, such as AWACS or refueling planes, as well as personnel.
>>2874820Tbf the proletariat of Poland and Finland were revolutionary, but revolutionary spirit alone isn't enough when western imperialists are giving your counterrevolutionaries unlimited funding.
>>2874904So would you support the confederacy's right to secede from the United States or what
>>2875139Ukraine has no more open ports left. Forget the corn, they can't even import the cheap plastic bags they use for their Colombian meat shields.
‘Significant problems’ in Russian banking system as public withdraws cash en masse
https://tvpworld.com/94490769/russians-hoard-cash-as-economic-pessimism-hits-20-year-high
<Cash in circulation rose by 513 billion rubles (€5.75 billion) in the first half of July, after increasing by 479 billion rubles (€5.37 billion) in June, according to data from the Central Bank of Russia. Since the start of February, the total has climbed by more than 2.4 trillion rubles (€26.9 billion).
<The spike comes amid a wave of Ukrainian drone attacks that have repeatedly prompted the Kremlin to shut down mobile internet across large parts of the country, leaving many people unable to pay by card. Moscow says the outages are intended to help counter the strikes.
<It also comes as economic pessimism reaches its highest level in two decades. A recent Gallup survey found that 60% of Russians believed local economic conditions were worsening, while 56% said living standards were declining. >>2875200>€26.9 billionThat's pretty manageable for a state as large as Russia. NAFO is dumb for thinking a small bump will stop Russia. The self determination of the Donbass is non-negotable.
<Ships have stopped calling at Ukrainian ports following Russian strikes, stated Agrarian Policy Minister Taras Vysotsky.
>Until recently, four or five ships were calling at ports. It's not much, but there was movement. As of today, ship calls have been suspended. This was the shipowners' decision; the state, for its part, imposed no restrictions, the minister was quoted as saying by the Latifundist newspaper.
>>2875370The latest military summary channel video (for what that's worth) made it seem like Ukraine et al are desperate for some kind of energy ceasefire, especially since we're now on the down slope towards winter. I guess we'll see how that goes.
>>2875378well, for something big to happen, ukraine would have to declare budget deficit, this is not an if, but a when, which concatenates with a request to their european and american masters for a bailout (plus a secured oil and gas delivery that cannot be outmatched by bids of countries in Europe, Asia and the US, which was the problem with Poland and Romania recently). that's where things are going on different speculative directions: will they (us, eu) carve out again? the eu surely yes, the us discretely yes, but what would be the conditions this time: mobilize everyone above 18 (us request), to finally send back all ukrainian inmigrants back to die in a trench (eu request)? this has been louder and louder, will zelya carve out? will the people in ukraine, that has show some serious backlash, finally explode?
>>2875388>>2875388here's the full interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8DZMpx--UAhe, also, casually called the Donbas people (Luhansk, Donetsk) 'criminals'
11:59
>Donetsk region, Luhansk region, unfortunately throughout their entire history of their existence there are mostly both 'displaced and criminal people'.oh, the crafty zelya government tried to claim that Russia wasn't liberating the people of Donbas, but here we have the military element of the flaming new CiC of the UAF, claiming these are the depraved society of ukraine.
what do you do with the depraved people, military man?
>>2875392>One Isle of Wright roughly every 100 daysYes this is a real issue considering the collapsing Ukrainian frontline. (Source: Pro-Z Suriyak maps btw - Worse if you use pro-Ukrainian sources)
>>2875389>DesperateUsed the (NAFO) buzzword award
>every 100 days
beats the hell out to ukraine's moving forward to the west
and we are forgetting that the frontlines are now in all areas close to big towns, onw.
>implying nafo owns words.
>>2875436no, actually this is what winning looks like :^)
>>2875444>>2875436>>2875429now, will the
exile nova plus propaganda smokes move the frontline
>westward []>eastward []>southward []>northward []>teleports to the mythical Atlantis city. >>2875387You cannot destroy a power plant, thermal or not, with an incendiary drone. Neither can you destroy a nuclear power plant with that shit. Incendiary drones cannot melt steel beams, even
Current situation appear as follows:
>Ukraine hits civilian targets with incendiary drones - the only targets those drones can actually deal damage to
<Russia responds by destroying entire infrastructure of Ukraine in the field that Ukraine had attacked previously, so, Ukraine's now experiences hours long wait lines for gas, has no postal offices in the East anymore, is threatened with straight up starvation, today Chernihov had 70.000 left without electricity etc
>Ukraine refuses to get the hint, putting it's own citizens' well-being well after the need to do terrorism against Russia
>>2875452add that to the equation the population crisis…
Andrew Kyribko posted an analysis, with some speculative data based on available data, of the current ukrainian demographic situation and it's, well, worse than I initially thought.
https://www.alcarajo.org/2026/07/17/budanov-aplasto-la-fantasia-de-los-nacionalistas-ucranianos-de-un-estado-etnicamente-puro/a) 'The Minister of Social Policy, Denis Ulyutin, revealed that only 22-25 million people still live in Ukraine.'
Data source:
https://spzh.eu/en/news/93036-its-a-catastrophe-social-policy-minister-reveals-ukraines-population-figuresb) 'Of these (22-25 million people), at least 10 million are pensioners, according to estimates from the Ukrainian Pension Fund in early April.'
Data source:
https://unn.ua/en/amp/how-many-pensioners-are-there-in-ukraine-and-what-are-the-payments-data-from-the-pfu-at-the-beginning-of-april-2026c)'To make matters even more worrying, UNICEF estimated last year that there are 6.6 million children under the age of 18.'
Not his data source, but close:
https://www.entwicklung.at/en/projects/detail-en/contribution-to-unicefs-humanitarian-action-for-children-hac-ukraine-and-refugee-response-2025-2026d) 'The latest World Bank data from 2024 estimates that men comprise 46% of the population, so that would roughly mean that Ukraine has only 2.76-4.14 million working-age men.'
Data source, speculative.
what is working-age men.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.TOTL.MA.ZS?locations=UAe) 'If one accepts the early figure of 500,000-600,000 Ukrainian victims from the Center for Strategic and International Studies (probably a lowball of 500,000 to 600,000 Ukrainian victims), this means that Ukraine only has between slightly more than 2 million and 3.5 million working-age males at most.'
gee, the white nationalists in ukraine will have to defend their genes with imports from India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, and other places, just as Budanov now wishes.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/79042videos from strana
https://t.me/stranaua/235053but hey, whatever smoksie copium they need to breath in to cope.
>>2875452>Russia respondsNova Poshta warehouses have been getting hit for years.
>TerrorismWhat happened in Ukraine on October 10th 2022?
>Nova Poshta warehouses have been getting hit for years
inventing things never said, lmao.
>Farmers are sounding the alarm over dumping-level prices for their produce, caused by the effective blockade of Ukrainian agricultural exports following strikes on Black Sea ports.
>One TikTok user reports that while wheat can still be sold for 4,000–4,300 per tonne in the Odesa region, prices in the Dnipropetrovsk region have dropped to 3,000.
>Meanwhile, a representative of the firm AgroRitm stated that their operations have been put on hold, as no one knows what to expect next.https://t.me/stranaua/242658well, the smokes can't beat this one.
>>2875467Anon implied the Kremlin is now responding, when its the reverse. Ukrainian civilian logistics have been getting hit for years.
Chernihiv also has regular (localized) power outages. So that's nothing new either.
No wonder zelya is very desperate with the ship situation:
>"All exports and imports have come to a halt." Why are ships not entering Ukrainian ports, and what will the consequences be?
>As *Strana* previously reported, shipping operations in Ukraine ground to a halt overnight; on July 22, not a single vessel entered Black Sea ports.
>Problems had been mounting prior to this: after the Armed Forces of Ukraine intensified strikes on Russian vessels in the Sea of Azov and the Black Sea, Russia responded by sharply increasing the intensity of attacks on port infrastructure and—crucially—on foreign vessels.
>"Insurance premiums have already quintupled, and crews have begun demanding hazard pay. Shipowners' earnings from freight have plummeted. And while the Ukrainian government effectively acts as a guarantor for buyers of our harvest, it offers no specific guarantees to the cargo carriers themselves," says Oleg Pendzin, head of the Economic Discussion Club.
>Nevertheless, up until July 22, three or four ships a day were still entering the ports of "Greater Odesa."
>"But after Maersk—the world's largest international container shipping company—announced a temporary suspension of operations at Black Sea ports, and an Indian dry-cargo ship was hit resulting in fatalities, shipowners decided it was time to stop," Pendzin added.
>Oleksandr Lazarev, head of the European Business Association (EBA) coordination council in Odesa and co-chair of the EBA Customs Committee, also confirmed to us that vessel traffic to and from Ukrainian ports has come to a complete standstill.
>It is not just ships arriving to load grain for export that are staying away; other vessels—including those carrying imports bound for the country—are also not entering.
>"That is the situation for now: everything has stopped—both exports and imports. It remains unclear what will happen next," Lazarev commented. Pendzin notes that imports might shift back to container shipping via Danube ports or road transport from Europe. However, costs would likely rise, as the sea route is the cheapest option; this implies that the price of goods could increase.
>Delivery times for imports from certain countries—particularly China—may also lengthen. In the near term, for instance, car owners who have ordered spare parts from abroad could face such issues.
>Yet, according to Pendzin, the most difficult situation concerns agricultural exports. "The challenge with agricultural products is that neighboring EU countries have banned their transit, and judging by their rhetoric, no one intends to reverse this decision. Consequently, the harvest will likely follow the same route used during the 'naval blockade' early in the war: first transported by road or rail to Reni, then transshipped onto barges for transport to Constanța, and finally loaded onto dry-cargo ships for the rest of the journey. This arrangement makes grain logistics far more expensive than using the maritime 'grain corridor,' as the produce requires multiple transshipments. This means that grain purchase prices in Ukraine—which have already dipped recently—could fall even further; traders simply deduct logistics costs from the global market price and offer farmers whatever is left. Authorities are urging farmers not to panic or rush to sell off their grain, but it remains unclear where and how to store it, given the threats of attacks, energy issues, and a simple lack of grain elevator capacity. There is a risk, therefore, that agricultural profitability will plummet—dealing a blow primarily to the farmers themselves," says Pendzin. According to Spike Brokers, new grain purchases at ports have virtually come to a halt for the time being, with trading activity focused on fulfilling existing contracts and finding alternative export routes via the western border or the Danube.
>It is worth noting that 80% of all Ukrainian exports pass through these ports. This includes not only grain and other agricultural products but also, for instance, iron ore.
>"Preliminary estimates suggest that the loss of one-third of the grain-handling capacity at Odesa's ports could reduce monthly foreign currency earnings from agricultural exports by approximately $900 million.
>If this situation drags on for several months, the entire national economy will feel the impact," says Andriy Zablovskyi, Head of the Secretariat of the Council of Entrepreneurs under the Cabinet of Ministers.
>It should also be noted that this will deal a blow to the state budget, which already has a massive deficit currently being covered by European partners.
>A prolonged port blockade would widen this gap further—at a time when securing additional European financial aid is becoming increasingly difficult.
>Furthermore, there is a risk that, having halted shipping to Black Sea ports, the Russian Federation might shift its attacks to Danube ports, leading to problems there as well.https://t.me/stranaua/242641tl;dr ukraine is fafo, instead of come to terms with reality.
>>2875473>Ukraine hits civilian targets with incendiary drones - the only targets those drones can actually deal damage to>Russia responds by destroying entire infrastructure of Ukraine Kremlin respond by doing the thing they've been doing for years?
<cope cope copeAbout what? I'm pointing out Ukrainian civilian infrastructure and logistics have been getting hit for years
>>2875472>FAFOSame deal. Odessa (and specifically the port) has been getting hit for years.
<Inb4 nonono you don't get it, they're 'responding' by doing the thing they've been doing since 2022 >>2875466>Nova Poshta warehouses have been getting hit for years.Yeah, because Ukrainians kept using it to supply their frontlines. Altough it was here and there, not "for years". Right now it's total annihilation
>>2875475>>2875479Also, curious how Russian attacks on postal services doesn't cause as much casualties as Ukrainian attacks
>>2875481Honestly, it's hilarious how Ukrainians use plausible deniability to commit terrorism against civilian targets, and Westoids lap it up to justify Ukrainians continuing to target civilians. Yet, when Russia causes civilian casualties - AA defences in Ukraine killed more civilians than Russian attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure - it's a war crime and terrorism, lol
>>2875481No not really. One of the latest attacks in Kharkiv on Nova Poshta killed several people.
>>2875486>recentProofs that it wasn't Ukrainian anti-air killing them, btw?
>>2875485So if Wildberries warehouse are used to supply the Russian military in Ukraine, does that make them legitimate targets? Because it's the same argument used against Nova Poshta.
>their terrorism<our legitimate targets>their war crimes<our collateral damageSpiritually zionist
>>2875486Oh, and also, I've heard that Euroids by this point are blocking VPNs. Seems like banning Russian and Chinese sources on Wikipedia wasn't enough! How do you feel about this?
>>2875489Wildberries is not used to supply any troops anywhere, neither is it supplying drones or drone parts. This is the kind of retarded plausible deniability I was exactly talking about
Like, you know that Wildberries sells bandaids, and those bandaids have volunteers and troops commenting on them, how it's helping them a lot on the frontlines etc? This is the shit you pretend to be making wildberries a legitimate military target, lmao
>>2875489>spiritually zionistYou are defending a country that's literally modelled itself after Israel, with plans to balkanize Russia and rule it the same way Israel bombs it's Arab neighbours
>>2875489Also, despite all your anti-zionism, I haven't ever seen you comment in Iran thread. How come?
>>2875488https://novaposhta.ua/en/news/kharkiv-obstril-terminalu/Press release stating they were employees, but can't find the specifics of the attack. Might as well reverse it and ask what the proofs are for it being an AA missile malfunction. Might it have been? It's no implausible. Do I think it's implausible workers died during an air strike targeting their workplace? No.
>>2875495It's a conflict that doesn't concern me much aside from oil prices. I don't have a home in Israel or Iran, don't have friends living in the region (excepting one guy I talk to ~once a year). I did post under a different flag early on I think. What happens in Ukraine concerns me personally, as well as people I know.
>>2875493>How do you feel about this?Not happy with how difficult it's becoming to use VPNs nowadays. But there are ways around it. I'm not concerned about FB/Insta and the like however because I don't use them.
NAFOid neonazis in shambles
>>2875501Between this, oil prices and the (coming? ongoing?) super el nino. Things are looking grim.
>>2875503>Coping is when you point out something that is implied to be a retaliation has been happening since 2022 >Russia has begun using guided aerial bombs (GABs) for the first time in Pavlohrad, Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, according to local media reports.
>This is the second day in a row that such airstrikes have been carried out.
>Military observer Mikhail Zhikhorov believes this was made possible by the Russian military's advance in the region.
coping is when you paint the situation as 'normal' for ukraine, and it's not an upcoming catastrophe.
for you, when ukraine finally surrenders, will come as a total surprise.
>>2875507I mean what do you want me to say? I wouldn't say 'normal' (not like something like that happens regularly in Poland or anywhere in Europe you know), but I wasn't dragged into a van. The closest to something like that happening was months ago when I was walking home one evening (alone), a van stopped nearby and a guy in uniform ran towards me, and asked me something in Ukrainian. Showed I wasn't Ukrainian, and then he left.
>>2875512>coping is when you paint the situation as 'normal' for ukraine, and it's not an upcoming catastrophe.I've been reading predictions about the upcoming imminent catastrophe since 2022. Wake me up when it actually happens.
>will come as a total surpriseIf it were to happen tomorrow it would. But I don't see it happening anytime soon, because nothing so far has radically altered the AFU's ability to continue waging the conflict. The trajectory of the conflict remains roughly the same (a stalemate with a village being occasionally lost on the Ukrainian side, and sometimes recaptured).
>>2875512As soon as the ordeal became a war of attrition it was in Russia’s hands, it’s really that simple
>>2875516Figure of speech. Do you have autism?
>>2875493Forgot this btw.
https://www.wildberries.ru/catalog/0/search.aspx?search=БронежилетыI wonder who buys this stuff and where it's stored until bought…
>>2875520It is far fetched, but so is blowing up the port of Odessa or Nova Poshta offices or trying to brick the entire electrical grid.
>>2875521Bankova isn't 'paying' for the war, and an AFU consisting of bots and mercs can continue to fight even if the population drops to 5 million.
You can argue this is 'destroying Ukraine'. But that doesn't matter at the present.
it's good to see how the goalpost moved from
>Russia is destroying mail services in ukraine
<REEEE
>obviously this requires that ukraine attacks in kind
>SEE MY EVIDENCE OF DRONE MATERIALS DELIVERED THROUGH MAIL SERVICES IN RUSSIA
<Andriy Novak, head of the Committee of Economists of Ukraine says that it doesn't matter, he's grateful that everything is being destroyed, so they can get european, western technologies.
Moving the goalpost:
>AFU consisting of bots and mercs can continue to fight even if the population drops to 5 million.
why didn't that copig rarted start with that stupid line instead of crying for nova posta?
lmao
btw: fedorov is not coming back. who's gonna built that army of bots that will fight a country that wins with 'shovels', only gets the upper hand with 'shrubs and weed' and has no washing machines?
and still, this same month liberated a town of 80k people (prior 2022)?
oh, but he's so neutral. so measured. oh so neither with one, neither with the other.
how dare you to pick one side.
LMAO
>>2875527>moving goalpost>REEEE>SEE MY EVIDENCE OF DRONE MATERIALS DELIVERED THROUGH MAIL SERVICES IN RUSSIAWhat are you on about?
<why didn't that copig rarted start with that stupid line instead of crying for nova posta?I'm not referring to what he said specifically, I'm talking about what I think the general attitude to all of this is; the cost of total war doesn't matter because Bankova isn't paying. Are they right? Will it work out? I don't know. So far it appears to be 'working' (as in Ukraine hasn't collapsed).
>>2875528I just wanna
grillthrill man. This manichean shit is way too autistic and schizopilled to me.
>>2875387United Russia will have to cheat double time in September at this rate of treat loss
I know why this type comes here.
If he were to go elsewhere, with that smugness ukraine hasn't collapsed, where the ever-growing reluctant european and us public seeing how their economies are getting trashed with forever-wars, could see him acting so smug, so self-grandiose with what it seems a granted position for the europeans and the us public, he would be shunned. that is why he needs to come here, to act stupid, while pretending to be a neutral, sober, individual.
near 20% >>2867303 of ukraine economy is in form of direct cash from foreign aid, not loans, no, cha-ching cash. they can't afford to have their ports halted.
>but banknova doesn't pay!
the interest rates of the military aid are paid with all the burning cope that exudes out of him.
and if their shitty country is '5 millions', with what are the ukranians going to pay, with fulfilling wishes of I hate Russia?
and not to mention the ridiculous idea of replacing the totality of an army with mercs.
is he also, that historically illiterate? didn't Machiavelli teach that in 'The Prince' it's only stupid?
now:
big news, you are neither smart, nor neutral. not that you actually didn't know that already, since day 0.
now, will you be here like many others loving to get called stupid? in the eternal ritual of fetishized humiliation?
reply this post to confirm.
well, the meeting between little narco and Lavrov lasted 35 minutes. so there was nothing to talk, apparently.
expensive meeting. shoulda been teamviewed, or microsoft teams'ed, telegram videocalled, instead.
>>2875555I kinda feel sad for him. Putin forces him to continue as foreign minister even tho hes old and tired.
>>2875555bald jealousy, maybe sending another 1 million tons of fuel to israel will make him able to afford turkey implants
another german company going bankrupt.
>The Varta creditors now apparently want to let parts of the company go bankrupt and hive off certain areas. According to a statement from the so-called ad hoc creditors' group with Deutsche Bank, RBC BlueBay, Blantyre, and Whitebox, which is available to the dpa news agency, household batteries, for example, are to be spun off into a separate company. For ongoing operations, funds in the mid-double-digit million euro range are missing. The financial requirement for continued business operations is said to be significantly higher. The financiers, like Varta, have so far been unable to find new investors.https://www.heise.de/en/news/Varta-facing-insolvency-Problems-due-to-Apple-and-general-business-situation-11375919.htmlthe video urgently needs an update adding varta and some others.
>>2875566dont worry, with the attack of steiner everything will solve itself
>>2875555in diplomatic speak that means "maybe"
>>2875625also kinda a bummer, their batteries werent bad
>>2875610That's Ruzzian disinfo. They were only storing corn and sickly orphans there. My source is the kyiv post and sextouristpilled.
>>2875555Always funny to see leftypolers sucking the balls of the people that dissolved the USSR lol
>>2875610>Donetsk Region Yeah sure.
>>2875672it was a long time ago okay? putin doesn't like pinochet anymore he is a new man
>>2875672You sound upset.
>>2875729old beliefs die hard kek
>>2875465The reason why Zelensky is refusing the end the war with a reasonable negotiation is because as soon as the war with Russia ends, Ukraine will likely devolve into a civil war.
>>2875878<Владимир Владимирович, Жать на газ!!!I'm trying to learn some Russian phrases.
>>2875547Calling someone out is not acting smug.
>self-grandioseJust making shit up now eh?
>while pretending to be a neutral, sober, individual.I never claimed I was neutral. Quiet the opposite in fact.
>they can't afford to have their ports halted.OKay, but this happened in 2022 too?
>now, will you be here like many others loving to get called stupid? in the eternal ritual of fetishized humiliation?Narc behavior.
>>2875873>both sides use terror as a method of achieving their goals.I'm a terror bombing denialist. With the exception of what's happening in Crimea lately.
post replied. confirmation given.
new grilpill, you are stupid.
more stupid now, since you played the neutral card in the beginning.
4~5 threads ago you asked me not to pick sides because it was stupid.
Masno in TG:
>A very good family friend, a medical specialist who's devoted about 20 hours a day, 7 days a week to treating patients of whom many are soldiers with life changing injuries, has been almost killed by the TCC and police in Sumy.
The TCC and police claim that they were attacked. This man cannot even hurt a mouse, I've known him for years.
They broke his nose, cracked open his head and broke his ribs.
Get better Tolik.
>"Military recruitment officers in Sumy assaulted a well-known doctor – the "hunters" claim he attacked them first.
>▪️The published footage shows the doctor leaving a building in the morning and heading to work while talking on the phone.
>▪️In the courtyard, a military recruitment officer and a police officer approach him, reportedly checking men of conscription age.
>▪️In the video, the "hunter" grabs the doctor by the shirt. The man asks them not to hold him and to let him finish his phone call. At the same time, there are no signs of him trying to escape or actively resisting in the published footage.
>▪️After this, the police officer states his intention to draw up a report for "deliberate disobedience to a lawful demand," but the recording does not show what specific demand was made up to that point."
>>2875610Kyyyv post told me it was a kindergarten for orphans
>>2875996Look, you know what the issue is? You take all of this too personal. You tie your identity to this whole manichean struggle which is why you go ballistic at critique imo.
Note how other than genuinely asking if some people ITT are autistic, I don't make it personal.
I don't go ahead and call anyone who disagrees with me pedophile sexpats, I don't accuse them of being GRU glowies, and so on. I'm not slighted when someone argues Ukraine is full of Nazis or Kyiv should be nuked.
It's entirely possible to discuss all of this without that.
>4~5 threads ago you asked me not to pick sides because it was stupid.I still think it's strange to pick sides in a conflict that mostly doesn't concern you. You won't see me behaving this way with Israel-Iran for example. I don't live in the region, I (personally) know almost no one there. I can laugh at the latest batch of copium coming out of the whitehouse, but it's not like I'm personally invested in any of this. Even when it comes to Ukraine the day to day action at the frontline doesn't affect me much for the most part.
I do call out bullshit when I see it. But it's not limited Ukraine. If this thread were full of NAFO arguing every attack is "terror bombing", Ukraine is being genocided and Russians are fascist orcs I'd call them out too. Take a chillpill. Why are you getting so worked up? (Reminds me of Haz tbqfh)
>>2876043I do wonder what goes on in the heads of people who planned this. It's better to do this stuff in Lviv outside of the range of ballistics (Oreshniks aside).
>>2875610clear war crime. those were CIVILIAN munitions.
>>2876043>>2875610there is one polish 'military defense company' person among the reported killed.
pole authorities want to play the 'we are against bandera' and such, and they send their people there. lmao.
>>2876005Loomer met Zelenskyy?
>>2876156yuuuup
>>2873630tim pool, too is bandera team now.
it's basically doj-risk-free money for maga.
>>2876176I can't believe the smoke wars reached the UK before Germany. it became transatlantic.
>>2876175>clip 2>I used to hate Ukraine, I wrote 5 articles for RT>now Tucker is anti ukraine I am pro Ukraine>maybe if you were a little nicer to Trump it would be easier to support you<well, if I was involved in American elections the Democrats would win>well we don't want that….Jewish to Jewish communication lol.
>>2873630Ok hear me out.
>Russia supports Iran>Iran slaps Israel>Israel is pissed>Loomer has Trump's ear>Israel tells mossad agent Larry to tell Trump to support Ukraine to spite Putin<Also, negotiations between Rubio and Lavrov failed. It appears this will only accelerate.
>I don't go ahead and call anyone who disagrees with me pedophile sexpats,
That's not because of a disagreement, that's because of you boasting about easily getting laid in a warzone that pre-war had a rather nasty reputation for a particular kind of sex industry.
More over it's just weird that you're keen to divulge some personal information like where you reside in Ukraine currently, your supposed sexual habits there, your travel plans, etc, but not where you're from, what you're doing for work there, or really what it is specifically that drove you to go to Ukraine other than "boredom" and liking where "history is made" despite your insistence that nothing notable is happening there according to the locals who have to still go to work and aren't fazed by the endless drone attacks and resulting power outages.
Also you're clearly British, making references to the size of the Isle of Wight being the latest tell, but you deny it with a claim you're just mimicking one of apparently thousands of friends you have. It's just stupid and weird, stupid and weird people tend to also be freaks.
>>2876198>>2876223the Palestinian Flag-Ukrainian Flag X crowd are having a massive meltdown for the meeting and interview.
>>2876197Our industry is quickly surpassing Germany's with our very legally acquired Russian energy
>>2876235Indeed, it's not like any accident I've seen before.
I dunno who this Laura Loomer is, but does she appeal to the coomer? What is notable about her other than the hilarious rhyming potential of her last name?
>>2876244she is trump's mossad handler
>>2876244>but does she appeal to the coomer? oh, gawd, no. she's just one of the many podcaster shitheads and knobheads going around the US internet media. she used to be meh type, now, after all of that facial cosmetic dermotherapy, she became ugly. she's like ben shappiro, but possibly more tied to the US feds, and a maga fanatic, because when she asks for someone to get arrested, that person usually gets arrested.
I dunno maybe the closest thing in British media isabel oakeshott? louise mensch (because of the ties with intelligence agencies)?
>>2876244You really don't follow anything but this Ukraine thread. She is Trump's Rasputin. She says she talks with him once a week and tells him which people in the MAGA movement aren't showing enough fealty. Hell, she might be more powerful than Zelensky.
She always hears who's getting booted from the admin first and is probably often the cause of it, like Tulsi and etc.
>>2876198Fucking lmao, I thought the humiliation of pro-Ukrainians was bad in this thread. I mean who does Zelensky think he is? Me?
>>2876270>You really don't follow anything but this Ukraine thread. American domestic politics aren't of interest to me tbh.
>>2876269>Just fuck my shit upI assume the surgery to get this fixed is expensive enough for
>Oh those five years where I was claiming Ukraine was full of Nazis, I just realised suddenly that's all Russian propaganda! Haha oopsie!to become a possiblity.
>>2876061>I still think it's strange to pick sides in a conflict that mostly doesn't concern you. You won't see me behaving this way with Israel-Iran for example. I don't live in the region, I (personally) know almost no one there. I can laugh at the latest batch of copium coming out of the whitehouse, but it's not like I'm personally invested in any of this. Even when it comes to Ukraine the day to day action at the frontline doesn't affect me much for the most part. That's retarded. Even if you're not personally being bombed right this very moment the effects of this current stage of the US's global war of terror are hitting just about everyone on the planet either directly or indirectly. There is no way that if you were born on or after 1991 the entire trajectory of your life hasn't been affected by yankee terrorism. And you have to be one ignorant dipshit to think that just because you aren't "from the region" that the war against Iran isn't going to have significant impacts on your life if it hasn't already.
Acting like you're oh so above it and detached isn't any defense. It's an indictment of how ignorant and out of touch you are.
>>2876292>American domestic politics aren't of interest to me tbh.at least, are you familiar with the ben shapiro-andrew neil exchange that happened some years ago?
where ben calls andrew fucking neil, out of all of british people a 'leftist'?
well, imagine that laura loomer is the one doing the bit. it wouldn't be any different.
>>2876269she used to be cute in a small town sort of way. very sad.
>>2876244>>2876269>>2876327there is probable reason to believe she raped men multiple times
>>2876324lol yeah I do remember that, I understand Tim Poo has also recently done a 180 on Ukraine and I'm a bit more familiar with him also being a Ben Shapiro-like.
I wonder whether it's the money, or Israel, or simply they just don't like being scrutinised in public as that was absolutely Shaprio's problem with Andrew Neil. He wasn't on the American conservative media network and immediately lost his shit the first time he was held accountable for statements he'd made.
I suspect that now the gloves
may be off for Russia, the "balance" Trump sought by which Russia would lose after a couple of decades has been lost, therefore the image of Ukraine changes from ungrateful worthless dependant to now being the Alamo of Europe I guess. If Ukraine has all of a sudden earned Trump's "respect", a whole history of calling Ukraine a nazi-ridden shithole that isn't worth the expenditure seems likely to be scrutinised, unless you do a big "i'm sowwy for my prior fucky wuckies" interview with Agent Z himself.
>>2876331I remember when it was just nose jobs, I dunno when or why it exclusively became about aping the Neanderthals.
>>2876307As mentioned, aside from oil prices, what happens in the middle east doesn't affect me much. It's not like me taking sides is gonna influence the outcome either.
It's like the weather; sometime it sucks, but "critically supporting" a weather pattern and doing a rain dance is not gonna change anything. We just gotta live on and cope (without seething).
>Acting like you're oh so above itI'm in it. It's a part of my life, but it's not a world ending conflict. I'm not a happening brained chud waiting for particular geopolitical events to herald the end times.
>>2876118So it's just sadism then. Aka nothing to do with communism.
>least self-aware nafo clown.When I'm referring to picking sides for a conflict that doesn't concern you I'm referring to you btw. Are you a diasporoid? Is RuZZia supporting the FARC in some way I don't know of? What's the specific reason why you live vicariously through people you don't know participating in a far away conflict?
>>2876230>easily getting laid in a warzone Obviously not familiar with how with easy it is for gay/bi guys to find hookups. Or any place that has some decent night life (in case of women). You think this is any different in a warzone?
Anyway I treat this as break room or bar banter. I'm not pretending I'm taking a principled stance in a grand world defining conflict like something straight outta a fantasy novel.
>liking where "history is made" despite your insistence that nothing notable is happening thereThink of it like moving to a place where a ton of events are happening year round and there's an interesting bar or club on every street corner, and people you run into are working interesting jobs or studying; life's interesting, some make a good buck, plenty of things of note happen, but nothing's changing in the grand (historical) scheme of things. Life goes on.
And ultimately I think this is the attitude some find so grating here. A genuine ukronazi or NAFOid is still invested in this conflict as being a defining battle in a grand global struggle between Good and Evil which will change everything and defines their lives and everyone else. I'm not. I'm 'closer' to this conflict than basically anyone ITT, yet I'm not invested in it the same way.
It's a bit like /pol/tards hating "normies" because they just wanna grill and dgaf about the rahowa helter skelter and interracial cuck pornography. Their imagined archenemies (globohomo leftist trnny sorosites) are still
invested in their mutual struggle. They're still playing the same 'game' and sharing the same board. The 'sheeple' grass touching normalfag isn't. They won't even validate their worldview by actively opposing them. And they despise them for it.
>so it's just sadism
bandero nazi apologizers get sadism, yes.
>he believes I didn't know that 'concern' was about what concerns me.
>I'm 'closer' to this conflict than basically anyone ITT
right wing gusano argument. one doesn't need to be from a place to understand things better than many people living in that place. as LatinAmerican, I've met many people that have said:
>I am from Cuba, ergo please daddy usa bomb Cuba
>I am from Nicaragua, ergo please daddy usa bomb Nicaragua
>I am from Mexico, ergo please daddy usa bomb Mexico
>I am from Colombia, ergo please daddy usa bomb Colombia.
>I am from Venezuela, ergo please daddy usa bomb Venezuela.
>I am from Ecuador, ergo please daddy usa bomb Ecuador.
countless of times. they weaponize their nationality as an excuse to shush people outside their country and promote the bombing of their people.
You don't get to lecture me about communism, you know shit about it.
>yet I'm not invested in it the same way.
>posts a long reply.
oh yeah, least invested 'non-invested' person. lmao.
>>2876444>oh yeah, least invested 'non-invested' person<I'm not invested in it the same way.What I mean is that whilst this affects my life, I'm not invested in it as a world defining existential struggle.
The attitude here reminds me of ukronationlists ranting about people listening to Russian music and not understanding the sinful nature of their ways. They're butthurt not everyone is as invested in their Manichean worldview (from which they derive their self esteem and purpose) as they are. You see this attitude on places like /pol/ too. Leftists might be 'evil' because they oppose them. But they still acknowledge the significance of
what they're opposing.
And that's imo why you (and Champ) get so worked up. I'm not gore spamming, calling for orc genocide, arguing there are no nazis in Ukraine, busification never happened and pretending the OUN were nothing but patriotic independent fighters. But I am denying the significance of the conflict in the existential-historical sense. And for true believers™ that might as well be a personal attack. (Note how there are plenty of Ukrocritics ITT and past threads who don't do this)
>>2876269>because when she asks for someone to get arrested, that person usually gets arrested.Speaking of that
>>2876270>She is Trump's Rasputin. She says she talks with him once a week and tells him which people in the MAGA movement aren't showing enough fealty. Hell, she might be more powerful than Zelensky.Yeah she's actually important… somewhat. The way I think the Republican Party works is that it's organized like a multi-level marketing scheme with different "downline" channels with these influencers harvesting different audiences. I'm not exactly sure who comprises Loomer's audience but it's probably very hard middle-aged MAGA women from Oklahoma and Cape Coral, FL who terrorize their local school boards. Loomer is a highly weird, brain-damaged person but her audience is also comprised of highly weird, older conservatives in America (who also think they're normal). Tim Pool is a different downline channel whose audience differs in the mix somewhat, mostly men, wanting to be like Rogan.
>>2876357>I wonder whether it's the money, or Israel, or simply they just don't like being scrutinised in public as that was absolutely Shaprio's problem with Andrew Neil.I think it's always money with these people, but they're also shifting to be openly pro-Ukraine because the White House is doing it, possibly because Trump has fallen out with Russia, and so these influencers who follow Trump are saying Slava Ukrainey now.
End the war alredy
>>2876428>As mentioned, aside from oil prices, what happens in the middle east doesn't affect me muchAs mentioned, you're retarded.
>It's like the weather;A war many years in the making that is destroying the lives of millions of people isn't something neutral that just happens and doesn't require taking a stance on, you useless shithead.
>>2876472Ukraine can surrender any time.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/ukraine-population/
>As the war in Ukraine trudges through its fifth year, deaths there now outnumber births at a nearly four-to-one ratio.
>According to figures published by the Ukrainian Ministry of Justice this week, Ukraine recorded 73,292 births and 259,853 deaths in the first half of 2026.
>Ukraine thus records about 12,000 births per month, a sharp drop from the approximately 23,000 births per month it recorded before the war began.
>Birth rates were notably low in Ukraine’s Donetsk region, which is located at the war’s front line and is now mostly occupied by Russia. Only 134 births were recorded there during the first half of 2026.
>“Few people are willing to bring children into the world while the country remains at war,” Marta Havryshko, a scholar who focuses on the Russo-Ukraine war, wrote on X. “Every additional year of fighting deepens the demographic crisis and pushes Ukraine closer to becoming an empty land.”
>In addition, the war has sent millions of Ukrainians abroad.
>“I don't think it's likely that Europe or other supporters of Ukraine can muster the kind of massive financial investment in a post-war reconstruction […] that would allow millions of Ukrainians to go back home,” Quincy Institute non-resident fellow Almut Rochowanski told RS.
>“Ukrainian refugees abroad would need to know that they're going home to functioning housing, schools, hospitals and sufficient incomes,” Rochowanski said. “That is a tall order.”
>The new population figures come as fewer Ukrainians are demonstrating a desire to fight. Earlier this month, anti-conscription protests rocked the western city of Lviv. Ukraine also has about two million draft-dodgers and about 200,000 military deserters, according to the country’s former defense minister.
>In line with polling it conducted last year, Gallup found last month that Ukrainians’ support for continued fighting remains low. Only 24% of respondents told Gallup that Ukraine should keep fighting until it wins the war. In contrast, 66% wanted a negotiated solution to end it as soon as possible.
>About 52 million people lived in Ukraine in 1991. Back in May, Denys Uliutin, Ukraine’s Minister of Social Policy, said the country now only has about 22 to 25 million residents. >>2876551Ukrainian nationhood > Ukrainians. As simple as
Ukrainian collapse status?
>>2876656what once was ukraine, ukraine won't ever be that ukraine. whatever state you think that existed, is no more, and what's more, the notion of what ukraine will be, it'll be bent to the whims of those who swear they defend, and defended, the idea of (a past) ukraine.
don't you believe? budanov talks about the threats of
'barbarian invasions'.
>>2875465then he genuflects to the idea of getting 'barbaric invasions', with a 'no other option'.
hey, at least german nazis weren't stupid enough to destroy their ethnicity. their
idea of a nation didn't disappear with hitler.
call it the copekraine.
>>2876668>at least german nazis weren't stupid enough to destroy their ethnicityThey tried, though. German people refused to die, they were resisting silently and stupidly. Kind of like Ukrainians today
>>2876658Bumfucknowherosk as been liberated and you're laughing
>>2875472this strana post came with a couple of tiktoks, that I didn't upload.
the tiktoks have been translated. agricultor tiktokers sound the alarms of Odessa, and the state of the port.
now, allseeds, the third-largest exporter of unrefined sunflower oil in ukraine (processed up to 2,400 tons of sunflower seeds per day at its high-tech plant in the Pivdennyi port), has halted operations, too.
FIRST TIME THEY HALT ALL OF ITS OPERATIONAL ACTIVITIES IN ODESSA >>2876043>>2875610>>2876144oh wow…
>valentina savitska, head of the center for international cooperation and strategic communications at the state security service, was killed.https://komersant.ua/en/pid-chas-rosijskogo-udaru-po-ki-d1-97vshhini-zaginula-komunikaczijniczya-udo-valentina-saviczka/the confirmation came from the husband.
apparently, she was killed in that drone expo.
>>2876687new holodomor cooking, btw.
>>2876690It's kinda strange that there hasn't been more cynical "muh holodomor" narrative pushed in this war. Maybe even they know it's so bullshit that it can't take any deeper inspection and that they would just get laughed at. Or maybe Ukraine really doesn't want to look like an loser rn, because bloodthirtiness sells better than victimhood. Or maybe it's some Israel et al. fuckery and they don't want their special brand of victim card diluted by Ukraine taking part.
>>2876687Wow it took only five years for Russian "intelligence" to get the coordinates of such plants? Good progress.
>>2876702They probably had it for a long time, but i guess the initial objective was to seize Ukraine with as less damage as possible, but with each passing
year day that stops being a priority little by little. Sunk cost thinking in action.
whatever happened to this peripheral conflict?
Gas station country to import gasolineMOSCOW, July 25. /TASS/. Surplus petroleum products from Kazakhstan can be supplied to Russia if necessary. Russian Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak told *Vesti* about this.
“In the current situation, we have agreed with our colleagues that, conversely, the surplus—which exists in Kazakhstan, albeit in small volumes—can be supplied to the Russian Federation if necessary. And this is, so to speak, in our mutual interest to ensure the stable functioning of the domestic markets of Russia and Kazakhstan,” Novak said.
https://tass.ru/ekonomika/27952101 >>2876807Oh noes, Russia essentially moved gasoline refining out of the country, so that Ukraine couldn't hit refining anymore, just like Russia can't hit Europe
>>2876471>The way I think the Republican Party works is that it's organized like a multi-level marketing scheme with different "downline" channels with these influencers harvesting different audiences.IDK anything about this stuff, but continuity of MAGA past Trump has to be a very big deal. It has to be done smoothly, all at once, whatever the path. Like with the Epstein files and the Tea Party leftovers.
My completely uneducated guess is that, there was some level of strategy to ACP's "MAGA communism" beyond clout farming. They may have been trying to co-opt this process. Probably for Larouchite glowie capital reasons or just the bribes to behave once inside.
Speaking of Tim Pool, how ironic that he's is now shilling Ukraine. Having been caught *actually* taking money fro the RF to do propaganda before.
>>2876773>whatever happened to this peripheral conflict?Not a lot E. Euroids still killing each other.
>>2874884Posting his face ITT is a disgrace
>>2876781According to some random post on telegram
>>2876823>Russia essentially moved gasoline refining out of the country, so that Ukraine couldn't hit refining anymoreTake that NATO, take that europe!
>>2876807BOOORINGThis sort of exchange always ends the same way. The NAFO retard is cornered with the consequences of the war for Ukraine and, eventually, having run of out of arguments to present the war as good for Ukrainians… After throwing every vaguely left-coded word they know at Ukrainians, the NAFOid concede that they are sacrificial pawns for the greater glory of NATO. And that's a good thing, for some Nazoid sounding reason.
It's a pointless argument to make. A few of them are, like I suspect you, RF shills trying to get some negative polarization going. And the rest are a mismatch of LLMs, paid shills, hustlers and actual retards who exist exclusively because of the giant moderation leeway granted to their kind of discourse.
>>2876176>>2876235Essex is a hub for military and arms industry, btw. not unreasonable to be related.
BBC has gone with nearby fertilizer storage.
>>2876837 (me)
If there was ever something set in stone in this conflict, some constant from 2014, it is that:
UKRAINE IS NOT WINNING >>2876835It's a known russian disinfo channel. Official, authorative sources within the Ukranian MoD are saying it was an empty shed used for storing corn, in the middle of a parking lot in a city that's strategically irrelevant. Also the missile was non functional because it used parts from a washing machine and got taken out by AA and there was actually no damage to the shed and the only thing that got damaged was the orphanage right next it. Unfortunately over 9000 orphans died that day, Heroyam slava.
>>2876837Sorry but the NAFO socks stay on during sex
>>2876835>doesn't know who yulia kirienko.bold of you to make the stupidest statement of the day ITT.
also, it's true that the SBU high rank was there:
>>2876689but, hey, Russia is losing.
LMAO
>>2876854One thing that made me laugh x5 times was
>who the traitor isI guess the 'traitor' was the one who made public the online poster lmao
>>2876854btw, syrenko is former head of the "top elite", western praised, sbu unit 'Alpha'.
for the Iraqis killed by the US war of aggression, rest in piss.
>>2876699
seethe lol, invading what?
>>2876869You Lakhta centre ass
>>2876890They arrested the main organizer, lol.
I'm wondering if they're withholding some deaths or injuries due to embarassment.
>>2876965oh, 100%. 10 deaths? and already 4 of them are super important people? hard to belive that.
>They arrested the main organizer, lol.lmao.
>>2877142Bitch doesn't know bout Chechnya wars either
>>2877142>quote pic 1But we are obligated by law to love and worship these Jews. Keep that in mind.
>>2877391It's not about defeating Russia, it's about showing how not defeated they themselves are and how they will never allow Russia to dictate any terms to them. EU leadership will smack it's own people as many times as necessary to prove these points, if not anybody else then to at least to themselves.
>>2877393I still don't really understand the logic behind this, because Kiev absolutely expects to get away with literal murder amongst their own population because "there's a war on, you know!?", but Russians being made all the more aware that there's a war going on is supposed to result in the
exact opposite reaction and Putin is going to be beheaded instantly by a pro-Western coup for allowing the inconvenience of NATO-backed Ukrainian terrorism?
I think the self-delusion at play here is Ukrainians on the one hand claiming that Russia is so backwards that they have to steal toilets and washing machines from the vastly more modern Ukrainians to suggest they can defeat Russia militarily, but on the other hand recognising that Russia is in fact vastly more modern and prosperous than Ukraine and suggesting they can win economically because Russians have a lot more to lose from war than the Ukrainians do, who already lived in an extraordinarily (by European standards) dysfunctional and impoverished society.
Or perhaps that's not a matter of cognitive dissonance within Ukraine itself, perhaps it's just the former take is that of NATO spoken through its Ukrainian puppets and the latter take is that of the actual Ukrainian populace.
>>2877432>I still don't really understand the logic behind thisLogic? When western leaders and Kiev fall into despair this is what they always do. They default to the idea that Russia is either politically or economically a house of cards and that they can shake up and collapse by hitting the home front by some new novel way.
These western political circles and bureaucracies are basically circle-jerks. When reality gets too close and they start to feel down they wait for somebody to have a cunning plan, then they all latch onto that and silence and scare all opposition to it and just dive head first into that swamp, then they repeat it three months later. Everybody who goes along with it or comes up with it gets pats on the back, kudos, money, promotions, etc. Anybody who opposes it gets isolated as putinist or appeaser and driven out. Because what else are they collectively gonna do? Stop wasting taxpayers money? Stop doing it and open themselves up to all sorts of uncomfortable questions? Admit that they all are school of fuckwits, who are now 100-levels deep into cumulating bad decisions and all put their lucrative careers and bloated bureaucracies on the line? Btw, that are the only places where many of these people are even employable. The stunt itself doesn't need to make any kind of sense, even on paper. The people who come up with this shit will (or think they won't) face any kind of consequences from any of this. They can only win, they can't ever lose. The only way they think they lose is when they stop trying.
Wildberries is just one such thing. One huff of hopium. Something for them to drink and masturbate to. Totally senseless. Moderately annoying to the Russians. Slap to the face for Kremlin. Ultimately irrelevant. and there will still be more to come.
>>2877432>I still don't really understand the logic behind thishe expects russians to grow some backbone and stop being subservient (or at least he claims to do so)
>>2877059>Not a single reply ITTLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Tokayev:
>What's happening, in my firm opinion, plays into the hands of and the delights of the opponents of Russia and the Ukranian state.Inconvenient for the Z(OG)bots to have a Russian pawn begin speaking like this?
j-just ignore it!
2 more weeks!! 2 more weeks!!!1
>>2877386Oh its over for Ukraine this time. The 20th time this gets posted it means Ukraine collapses. Thats it!
>>2877533>the opponents of Russia and the Ukranian stateis he talking about the international proletariat?
>>2877533>Istanbul 2.0 Over a million Ukrainians have died because Kiev didn’t like Istanbul 1.0
>>2877444Tbh it just goes to show they do in fact think terrorism works, which is probably why they make such a song and a dance of not negotiating with terrorists, lest the proletariat realises the problem with shooting CEOs is only when it’s not all CEOs being shot by multiple people
Oh yeah that’s the other thing I keep seeing out of Ukraine’s shithole is that Russia is planning a mass mobilisation. Again, if Ukraine is doing everything it can to openly try and make peacetime circumstances in Russia impossible, wouldn’t that make mass mobilisation more palatable within Russia? Ukrainians repeatedly let on to the fact they’re breaking all the laws to fight this conflict, but some piece of paper will stop them trucking drones all over Eurasia to launch drones at Russian civilians whenever Russia’s continued existence upsets them I.e all the time?
>>2877561How many Russians dead?
>>2877644Less, by most accounts. Nevertheless their lives haven't been lost in vain if it's Kiev that thought they'd get a better deal by refusing diplomacy.
>>2876829>IDK anything about this stuff, but continuity of MAGA past Trump has to be a very big deal. It has to be done smoothly, all at once, whatever the path. Like with the Epstein files and the Tea Party leftovers. The structure is something I've heard people on the right talk about. It has been written about regarding the Republican Party going back to the 1970s with Nixon and Ford, and in the 2000s around the campaign to elect George W. Bush. (One of the leading multi-level marketing companies in America that started all of this is Amway, led by the De Vos family.) This emerged out of "tupperware parties" where a suburban housewife would sell plastic crap to her friends. The idea is that you're far more likely to buy something from a friend or relative than a stranger. (This is also interrelated with Evangelical culture in America.) The other important thing is that selling the plastic crap is not the main purpose, it's recruiting other people buying the plastic crap to then become sellers of it to other people with the promise that the seller can become independently wealthy. Also there's a commission structure that rewards early adopters, hence it looks like a pyramid.
If you really look at the American right, this is just everywhere. A bunch of these influencers are either involved in schemes like this, like selling some supplement, or they directly come out of the multi-level marketing business:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Bet-DavidApplied to politics, you also salami-slice the electorate. Like (a) Evangelical women (b) dudes who like hunting/guns (c) Catholics. You have a bunch of different buckets, and you have "team leaders" recruited from different groups then try to sell the "tupperware" (the candidate) while recruiting more people to sell the candidate and so on. Party organizations turn into a kind of living room of "upline" and "downline" recruits. Also this is now online with so-called "dark money" that flows to various pro-Trump social media influencers, podcasters, etc.
>My completely uneducated guess is that, there was some level of strategy to ACP's "MAGA communism" beyond clout farming. They may have been trying to co-opt this process. Probably for Larouchite glowie capital reasons or just the bribes to behave once inside.Idk but I think a good example from the 2024 election was RFK Jr. (very scammy guy), Tulsi Gabbard, and the "Rage Against the War Machine" stuff. Like there were various actors in this pyramid who were recruiting people from different demos, like health quacks (RFK Jr.) to anti-war people on the left (Tulsi Gabbard). And the persuasion was effective insofar as it didn't appear to be selling Trump to them directly until they got closer to the election. It just starts out as a "movement" or whatever, so by the time they make the hard sell, you think you're making your own decision. I don't know if the ACP's "MAGA communism" was a conscious attempt to exploit this process, or whether they were themselves victims of this exploitation. Or it could be some mix because people who get involved in these schemes in an attempt to exploit other people are often themselves great marks for exploitation, since that's how the pyramid works.
All of our problems with the EU started after Putin refused to ratify the Energy Charter. That charter envisioned a system similar to the 2016 Naftogaz model, where production, transportation, storage, and distribution are four separate entities (in technical terms – unbundling), and access to the main gas transit system would be granted to Turkmen, Azerbaijani, Kazakh, and even Polish gas from Świnoujście. The idea was that these players, to curry favor with the European authorities, would lower prices, allowing Europeans to buy cheap gas and oil at $30–50 a barrel, just like in the glory days of the 1990s when the West reveled in its unipolar dominance.
Once ratification was rejected, and Gazprom began systematically expanding its presence by acquiring capacity and distribution networks in the EU, with oil consolidated under Rosneft, Khodorkovsky whisking away his assets, and Nevzlin hiding in Israel, the EU launched its first gas war. The narrative was that the Russians had become unreliable and were abusing their monopoly position. This laid the groundwork for: a) moving away from the old transit scheme that allowed unlimited transit through Ukrainian gas infrastructure to the EU; b) the foundation for the Third Energy Package; and c) the theoretical justification for the Gas Directive, which imposed a 50/50 ownership and pumping split on pipelines and tried to force suppliers into price competition through discriminatory access to Russian gas transit infrastructure.
Then came the second gas war, the arbitrary cancellation of South Stream, the difficult but ultimately successful launch of Nord Stream 1 (based on Soviet-era surveys), the OPAL regulation, Gazprom's acquisition of distribution networks, storage facilities, gas stations, and refineries in Bulgaria and Serbia – and a lot more. But the EU had already declared that it wanted gas cheaper, ideally for free.
After that came arbitrary lawsuits, Stockholm arbitrations, retroactive gas directives, antitrust actions in Poland, bans and obstacles to Nord Stream 2, and attempts to derail TurkStream. When it became clear that the transit system was pumping, TurkStream was pumping, Nord Stream 1 was pumping, and Nord Stream 2 was nearly finished, they dropped the first tactical nuclear bomb: the Stockholm arbitration ruling that invalidated the contract price.
Gazprom swallowed that and managed to substitute volumes, after which the EU introduced the Gas Directive, effectively burying the system of long-term oil-indexed contracts in favor of exchange-based pricing. The result was disastrous – record high gas prices during the peak of COVID, and the only time gas dropped to $37 per thousand cubic meters for two months, which made Ursula von der Leyen practically swoon with delight.
Then it turned out that all of that was in vain, and prices shot back up uncontrollably. It was exactly then, two years before the special military operation, on a stream featuring Russian and Ukrainian energy experts – Martsinkevich, Zemlyansky, and Marunich – that they discussed what Europe would do with its gas supply if the system were disrupted. A tipsy Martsinkevich (known as Netesak) said that in the past, such conflicts were resolved by war. The stream fell into dead silence…
You could hear the proverbial sphincters clenching, lighters flickering, the hum of gas flowing through 700–1153 mm pipelines, and palpable fear. But the fear subsided, and everyone let it slide to avoid escalating tensions, until the EU rolled out billions in antitrust claims against Gazprom and filed $300 billion in WTO claims against Russia over government procurement market protections. Then came the special military operation, into which the EU eagerly plunged, dreaming of free oil at $17 a barrel and gas at $23 per thousand cubic meters – all while Khodorkovsky would be great again, decolonization would happen, Russia would collapse, Ursula would rejoice, Kaja Kallas would tear Bismarck a new one, Josep Borrell would be on Epstein's island and nobody could catch him, Trump would be sitting around, everyone would be sitting around, global domination by the Global South would be established, and China would withdraw from the market.
So what's the point of all this? The Ukrainians simply turned out to be the only fools ready to die for the realization of the Euro-American ambitions outlined above. The details don't matter. For a smile from their Western benefactors, Ukrainians die – and they're okay with that.
In a nutshell – there were many corrupt schemes that enriched elites on both sides at the expense of the Russian budget. Until 2005, Ukrainians received gas at 50% of the European price (3–4 times cheaper). They lived lavishly on that; their entire metallurgical industry and energy sector ran on cheap gas, which in turn made their steel and electricity exports to Europe cheaper. But Ukrainians also wanted permission to RE-EXPORT Russian gas bought at $50 to Europe (where it sold for $200+). Gazprom was appalled and clashed with Ukraine for the first time in the winter of 2004–2005.
Ukrainians were offered a new contract at 230% of the old price, they refused to sign, and gas was cut off on New Year's Eve. But after a couple of weeks, they managed to negotiate a very murky and corrupt deal at $95.
The next time, in 2008, after more corrupt maneuvering involving Tymoshenko, they pushed through a market-based price. This was a win for Gazprom, but Ukrainian industry immediately struggled and began to decline. Ukrainian gas consumption fell by 5,000 billion cubic meters.
Finally, under Yanukovych, they secured a 50% discount off the market price in exchange for extending the lease on Sevastopol. After that, metallurgy began to revive slightly. Then came 2014, Crimea, and the Ukrainians officially refused Russian gas (though in reality they still took it from the pipeline, they just bought it from Europe – but Europe was buying it from Russia, so the physical gas never actually entered Ukraine from Europe). And in 2024, physical transit ceased when fighting started near Sudzha.
To add to what's been written, I'll elaborate on some things. All of our problems with the EU really started on a global scale when Putin began to rein in the so-called "seven bankers" who had been supplying almost free oil and gas while the Western beneficiaries profited from production-sharing agreements. And when Russia refused to ratify the Energy Charter.
The Energy Charter required the separation of production and delivery of oil/gas, required the supplier to deliver regardless of payment or contract terms, with prices set abroad. It also built in a mechanism for forced price reductions by requiring the owner of the gas transmission system to allow competitive access to other suppliers' oil and gas. On paper, this meant admitting Central Asian and Kazakh hydrocarbons; in reality, it meant control over the pipeline by BP, Exxon, Total, Chevron, etc. The Russians are still trying to squeeze Western oil and gas interests out, with limited success.
At that time, they tried to strangle Russia through Ukraine, whose gas transit system could potentially increase deliveries up to 400 billion cubic meters per year, provoking two gas wars and creating a narrative in the EU that Russia was an unreliable producer. This began the dismantling of the globalized system of long-term oil-indexed contracts and a shift to exchange-based (i.e., manipulable) pricing.
To that end, Yushchenko started ordering pipe dreams about TAP, TANAP, and Nabucco pipelines to supply non-Russian gas; renegotiating contracts with Russia; seizing Ukrainian refineries (like those owned by Tatneft); and constantly threatening to increase domestic production – Ukrainians could theoretically ramp up their own gas output to 60 billion cubic meters per year.
Around the same time, South Stream (an analogue of TurkStream and Nord Stream) was buried. Russia tried to use a legal loophole to build Nord Stream, since surveys had been done back in the late Soviet period. They also completed Blue Stream (at a time when Erdogan was in power in Turkey and Turkey was almost openly sponsoring Wahhabis – so that wasn't ideal). Gazprom bought up a ton of onshore infrastructure in Europe, created joint ventures, etc. And when the completion of these pipelines became inevitable, the EU adopted the discriminatory Third Energy Package and Regulation No. 715/2009 on conditions for access to natural gas transmission networks, to legally implement roughly the same scheme that the Energy Charter envisioned.
Gazprom tried to bypass further risks by building the OPAL onshore distribution pipeline, but it was capped at 50% capacity. Then came the need to break up Naftogaz's vertically integrated structure: separating production, transportation, and underground storage in western Ukraine – done under the pretext of supposed massive shale gas deposits in Donbas, so that Ukrainians would be emboldened to cut ties with Russia.
And then the snowball rolled: retroactive contract renegotiations, biased Stockholm arbitration rulings, illegal restrictions on the Druzhba pipeline, GTS and OPAL restrictions, delays in Nord Stream 2 construction, and obstacles to TurkStream. Gazprom tried to sue, and through Erdogan's vanity, attempted to make Turkey a gas hub so that Russian gas would magically become Turkish and avoid the Third Energy Package restrictions. But European companies flatly refused and announced a program to abandon long-term contracts, retroactively renegotiated terms, applied the Gas Directive retroactively to already-built Nord Stream 1 and 2, etc. Meanwhile, they drained every possible spare dollar from Ukrainians – about $70–90 billion – through ever-rising tariffs, and legislatively enshrined a rejection of Russian gas, an energy transition to hydrogen, and exchange-based pricing.
The exchange-based pricing system worked for exactly one quarter: oil at $38 at the bottom, gas at $82. Europe was overjoyed. Then came the month of panic from the Southern Butovo gas field, when oil futures briefly stabilized prices in Europe, but Europe was terrified by the prospect of gas prices again reaching $2,000–3,000 per thousand cubic meters. Then COVID, sanctions, the sabotage of Nord Stream, and the eventual halt of transit in meaningful volumes.
Europe is fighting us mainly to turn the clock back to the 1990s: free oil and gas deliveries, total control, all foreign currency revenues ending up in EU sovereign debt, nouveau riche in tasteless outfits buying useless villas for millions, parading their mistresses around Milan in Bentleys and Hermès bags, while the oligarchs' children spend millions on London apartments where Harry Potter was filmed.
In fact, the first to declare that war with Ukraine and the EU was inevitable were energy experts – our Martsinkevich and Ukrainian Zemlyansky – in late November 2019. For an hour and a half, they speculated on how to continue living and exporting to the EU, and concluded that the system was broken – and historically, that meant either upheaval or war. Martsinkevich was completely drunk and smoked through the entire hour and a half. Interestingly, in the US over the last year and a half, a view has been gaining traction that the "GDP" indicator should be replaced by an energy consumption index. JUST THINK ABOUT IT!
I know im risking a ban by saying this so ill preface with the fact that I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT SUPPORT UKRAINE OR NATO but the sheer amount of mental gymnastics and cope in this thread toconvince yourself that Russia is winning this shit is honestly pathetic. I though a place filled with leftists would be a bit more self critical and grounded but this is genuinely indistinguishable from when /pol/ picks a side in some random social or military conflict and goes into complete psychosis to make themselves believe their side is "winning" and "BTFO-ing" the other side. Not to mention class struggle that has been completely pushed aside in favour of petty nationalism and hype-moment addiction. This thread is sad. If you are over 22 and behave like this then i don't know what to tell you.
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