/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

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But yeah, has a concern for the release of carbon into the atmosphere been memoryholed for Slava Ukraini?

Iran FM blames Zelenskyy over Caspian sea attack, says incident ‘cannot go unanswered’
Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi has personally accused Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy over an attack on an Iranian merchant vessel in the Caspian Sea, which left a sailor dead, warning that the incident “cannot go unanswered”.

In a post on X, Araghchi described the strike as a “blatant UN Charter violation” carried out “at Israel’s behest to drag Europe into its war”. He noted he had raised the issue directly in phone calls with EU foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, where he “made clear that what the freeloader in Kyiv did CANNOT GO UNANSWERED”.

The warning follows remarks from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who confirmed long-range Ukrainian strikes in the Caspian Sea against vessels used to transport military cargo linked to Iran. Ukrainian intelligence services reported targeting sanctioned cargo ships transporting military equipment between Iran and Russia.

Iran’s Foreign Ministry reported an explosion aboard the commercial vessel on Saturday morning that also wounded another sailor, stating Tehran has remained neutral in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. State television confirmed the Ukrainian charge d’affaires in Tehran was summoned in protest over what Iran termed a “hostile and criminal act”.
https://aje.news/17jfvn?update=4806532

>>2877685
>stating Tehran has remained neutral in the Russia-Ukraine conflict.
And how many North Korean ships have been struck by the Ukrainians? How many times are Pyongyang going to have to teach the world how it works?

>>2877691
They're busy building socialism sorry.

Tbh Iran complaining about being hit by Ukraine is ridiculous. It was Iran that taught Russia how to mass produce drones and made the first drone factories for them. Ukrainians have been dying for years because of Iranian military and technical assistance to Russia. Playing the innocent just doesn't work here.

>>2877706
Probably the most pathetic post you've made, hopefully you'll soon enjoy the technical assistance Russia provided Iran.

>>2877708
How is stating a fact pathetic? By any reasonable standard Ukraine is justified in attacking Iranian ships when Iranian drones have been killing Ukrainians for years already. If anything the only surprising thing about this is that it took Zelensky so damn long to finally respond in the first place.

>>2877710
Technically correct but also stupid and escalatory. This is the logic that will send iskanders into brussels (disavow)

>>2877710
Because the implication is that Russia wouldn't be able to strike Ukraine without Iran's technical assistance.

>By any reasonable standard
I really wouldn't go down that line of reasoning, because Ukraine has gotten away with far more than anyone would reasonably expect them to. Ditto NATO with the technical (or more importantly, legal) assistance they've provided to achieve Ukraine's feats.

>>2877714
>This is the logic that will send iskanders into brussels

Please do 🙏

t. Brussels man

>>2877712
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/25751654.2022.2149077#abstract
>>2877714
Doubt it because Russia's military has been exposed as a paper tiger. Attacking the main European countries will just trigger NATO into the war and give them the excuse they were looking for to kick off WW3.

I implore you thread; Consider the absolute fucking stupidity that must prepend the rumination of how this conflict would go if Ukraine, with its backing from the most technologically advanced and economically developed countries in the world, didn't have to contend with Iran's doctrine of using cheap suicide drones.

>>2877722
>excuse they were looking for to kick off WW3.
Ukraine is the justification for why WW3 needn't happen, that all the death and destruction is mostly contained to Ukraine.

>>2877679
>All over Ukrainian TG
<Is this being memory holed???
>>2877691
Why would they strike ships? They're right nextdoor (Tumangang border crossing).
>>2877715
>Because the implication is that Russia wouldn't be able to strike Ukraine without Iran's technical assistance.
No Champ, he didn't claim that without Iranian assistance they would never have been able to produce drones. He claimed that the Iranian taught them, not that they would have been incapable of learning it themselves.

>>2877722
And what makes you think NATO armies would do better than the Ukie one getting chewed up by drones and longrange airstrikes? Nato, let alone european nato, cant even do sead over iran.

The only reason they likely havent yet is because china frowns on them attacking their esteemed colleagues and class comrades in europe's boug

Nevermind, I see what you meant now (the environmental impact of striking refineries); some have been raising CoNcErn about this. Surprisingly not greenpeace though lol.

>>2877725
>All over Ukrainian TG
Really? I guess I'm just not that invested enough.

>They're right nextdoor (Tumangang border crossing).
I haven't looked at the map to answer this, but, no I don't think Ukraine and North Korea are next door to each other.

>No Champ, he didn't claim that without Iranian assistance they would never have been able to produce drones.
Listen sexpest, the phrases he used was
>Ukrainians have been dying for years because of Iranian military and technical assistance to Russia.
>Iranian drones have been killing Ukrainians for years already.
Why would that be the suggestion if Russia can produce cheap suicide drones them selves?

It's Ukraine's rap:
>I got 99 NATO wunderwaffen, but Iran's cheap suicide drones are also one.
>It's just not fair.

>>2877699
socialism with choson features

>>2877726
>cant even do sead over iran.
They haven't? It seems to me the IRGC has been fighting this with the assumption they were going to get bombed anyway with very little in the way of stopping it. Which is why they've build all these launch bases and factories deep within mountains.
This isn't comparable to say Russia, where most of the infrastructure and military industries are above ground.

>>2877728
No Champ, I mean that North Korea and Russia are next to each other. So any gear can move overland. And anything that is or might have been moved to Vladivostok or Murmansk by ocean freight is too far away to be hit.
>Why would that be the suggestion if Russia can produce cheap suicide drones them selves?
Because someone else did it first, and Moscow learned from Iranians how to do it (better)? It's not that they would have not been able to figure it out on their own, but there was a solution that already existed and they adopted it. These designs were then later modified into the ones seen nowadays.
>>2877731
>Things no one said
Why do you argue like this Champ?

>>2877728
>Why would that be the suggestion if Russia can produce cheap suicide drones them selves?
because it doesn't it produces clones of iranian drones

>>2877723
You're not British and never have been. No real westoid would hang around this thread 24/7 (I literally just dropped in after being gone for a while and somehow you're already replying to me within mere seconds), and be so unceasingly blinkered towards "their side". I support a Russian victory, which looks increasingly unlikely, simply to push back against the EU and NATO but even I can freely confess that Ukraine is fully justified in hitting Iran, since Iran was providing weapons and assistance to Russia from the very start, without even a formal declaration of war, but your handlers are so retarded that they've ordered you to blindly attack anything that could even remotely be considered as "anti-Russian" hence your immediate hysterics. Pro-tip: if you want to convincingly fake being a Westerner stop treating every possible observation from everyone here as a personal attack against yourself or your war position.
>>2877726
I don't know if you've been paying enough attention but Ukraine has been growing more confident and steadily escalating over the past few months (threatening Belarus, now hitting Iranian vessels, and I even just now received confirmation that they've hit relay stations in Belarus), the Americans have decided to maximize pressure (MAGA people like Laura are already putting out the propaganda to ease the switch to a pro-Ukraine position), the EU has rapidly boosted military spending and can even single handedly supply Ukraine when Trump withholds deliveries, and the atmosphere suggests that most country's analysts are beginning to expect a Russian defeat. I even have a pretty reliable source that leaks internal Belarusian government decisions that states that even the Belarusian government thinks that Russia is going to lose and then fall into chaos, and that they'll have to lock down their eastern border to filter through all the incoming Russian refugees.

The real question I have is why the West is so confident that Russia won't just flip the table, tell everyone to fuck off, and nuke something, and unfortunately the only conclusion I think is reasonable is that they must have high ranking traitors or at least sympathizers who want to end the war, positioned in the Russian government (I'd bet anything Medvedev is one of them) who can secretly guarantee that kicking Russia out of Ukraine won't result in a nuclear attack.

>>2877736
>No Champ, I mean that North Korea and Russia are next to each other
So? Iranian ships are supposedly a legit military target for Ukraine because they apparently invented the concept of cheap, disposable weapons being superior to wunderwaffen that they then bestowed upon the Russians. North Korean troops have actually shot and killed Ukrainian troops and yet Ukraine hasn't struck any North Korean ships?

>>2877736
It is what is being said. Ukraine has the cream of NATO's military might and the doctrinal "support" from Iran in teaching them about cheap drones, yet Ukrainon is wondering what things would be like If Russia only had Iskanders, what if Russia never figured out that, fuck I dunno maybe the T-72 would be superior to the Abrams if they could build considerably more of them?

>>2877743
>You're not British and never have been.
Genuinely the best compliment I could receive on leftypol, right?

>>2877744
>North Korean troops have actually shot and killed Ukrainian troops and yet Ukraine hasn't struck any North Korean ships?
what strategic do norks even export to russsia? how much of it is freighted over sea? which sea would that be?
you are a malcontent, there's no argument behind your complaint

>>2877714
>Technically correct but also stupid and escalatory. This is the logic that will send iskanders into brussels (disavow)
If Russia blew up Brussels that might be an improvement (vid related, Brussels-in-winter vibes). But the Western perception right now is that Russia won't do this, because otherwise Europe wouldn't have begun equipping Ukraine with the components for a long-range precision targeting campaign in Russia. Dmitry Medvedev's job was to play a madman but he wasn't a very good actor. The Europeans revised Russia's military threat downward although they upped the threat level of a potential Russian incursion (into Narva, say) upward. Maybe that perception is wrong. Or, maybe if it's going to happen anyways, it's better for it to happen now when Russia is weakened by the war in Ukraine rather than later.

Oh alright lets read the rest of the chimp out
>No real westoid would hang around this thread 24/7
And yet so many do to know what I spend my time doing
>(I literally just dropped in after being gone for a while and somehow you're already replying to me within mere seconds),
I make it my business to keep this thread alive, if for no other reason than to fuck people like you off and I am rather successful at that.
>and be so unceasingly blinkered towards "their side".
Never justifying Russia, just trying to understand what they do or don't do, you know this because you know how much I post here. That's called "selective memory".
>I support a Russian victory, which looks increasingly unlikely
Concern trolling
>but even I can freely confess that Ukraine is fully justified in hitting Iran
Yes because you're always proving how emotionally stable and levelled headed you are about things ITT, that's obviously where this conclusion is coming from, not concern trolling
>since Iran was providing weapons and assistance to Russia from the very start, without even a formal declaration of war
Ironic
>but your handlers are so retarded that they've ordered you to blindly attack anything that could even remotely be considered as "anti-Russian"
Right, you're pro-Russian, but there's no such thing as a Geran since they're all Shaheds from Iran and of course because I won't doom about Russia I'm just a Russian propagandist. Gosh, why *am* I making it so hard for you ITT?
>hence your immediate hysterics.
Ironic, you only come here to throw a shit fit and then disappear for a month, probably cutting yourself while google searching pictures of champagne bottles being shattered. Watching champagne bottles shattering against now-sunk Russian ships before their maiden voyage, that's a conceptual orgasm I gift to you.
>Pro-tip:
Cringe.
>if you want to convincingly fake being a Westerner stop treating every possible observation from everyone here as a personal attack against yourself or your war position.
It's actually quite offensive that "passing as a Westerner" depends on whether someone is muffling out "slama ukbrani" with a mouth full of your cock. If they're not doing that, then they're not western, they can't be! Yeah, well, sorry to shatter the illusion sweetheart.

>>2877750
Well they exported lead into Ukrainian soldiers, if that answers your question?

>>2877744
How would they strike North Korean ships? Where? Where is this Ukrainian blue water navy capable of sailing to the Sea of Japan or East China Sea or the Yellow Sea and releasing drones to attack North Korean ships or freighters traveling to North Korea ports? Alternatively they'd have to launch them (smuggled drones) from Japan, the Philippines, Taiwan or any other state within North Korean missile range. And you know there's the issue of hitting Chinese vessels trading with the DPRK.

>>2877743
>The real question I have is why the West is so confident that Russia won't just flip the table, tell everyone to fuck off, and nuke something
China is the other factor here. Chairman Xi says no to nukes, and without imported Chinese prosthetics then Russia's technological and logistical weaknesses will look a lot more obvious.

>>2877758
>ow would they strike North Korean ships? Where?
Haven't you heard? Brovi's drones can strike anywhere, at least anywhere NATO has allies and I guess North Korea is only surrounded by allied ports.

I'm loving this though, North Korea actually gets involved in Ukraine but their navy is safe, unlike Iran who hasn't gotten involved, because umh the DPRK is far away in the way the fucking Omsk wasn't out of range of FP2 drones or how no one really knows how a Ukrainian Naval drone just showed up on the Grecian coast.

Give me a fucking break lmao

>on the racist message board the FSB regime governing Russia are based nazis defending the huwite race
>on the commie message board the FSB regime governing Russia are based anti-imperialists fighting the nazi unipolar world order
>on twitter the FSB regime governing Russia are ordinary law-abiding democrats fully integrated into the global capitalist framework defending their legitimate sphere of interest against illegal NATO encroachment
>on RT and Sputnik the FSB regime governing Russia are the global bastion against the American nu-left undermining traditional western values
I don't know guys, I'm starting to wonder if the whole hecking based marxist-leninist freedom fighter Putin we believe in here might be… propaganda?

>>2877743
>russia is going to lose

Interesting assertion could you provide evidence?

Theyve improved their medium range strike capabilities but given both sides rely on chinese supply chains att the end of the day I don't see how this means Ukraine wins. Russia's on track to a pyhrric victory that takes the donbas and transdnipro oblasts but thats not something thats going to wreck the russian state (as wonderful as the idea of the cprf performing a special state capture operation would be).

Ukraine's theory of victory seems to be to bleed Russia and make a pigs breakfast out of its logistics but it is far more vulnerable in that regard whilst Rusaia is a much deeper and more resilient target. Even its starlink advantage earlier this year that let it do successful counteroffensives largely evaporated.

>>2877736
If thats the case why is the US spamming desperately rare jassms into iran instead of using gravity and glide bombs? The missile cities are to help prevent a sneaky jassm or tomahawk but they also rely on the air being at least contested against the great satan.

>>2877759
Thus the real question is how china wants this war to end. All sides rely utterly on Chinese supply chains. Thats why UkrSSRanon's claim that Russia is simply going to implode ultimately makes no sense to me - China isnt going to let their northern border turn into a constellation of western-aligned battering rams the way the west turned ukraine into a battering ram against moscow.

Fuck me
>No such thing as Gerans, they're all imported Iranian Shaheds
>China is propping up the Russian war effort
Go three for three gang, where's the mention of Utkin and how that means Bandera being the national hero of Ukraine isn't a problem?

Like okay say tomorrow Ukraine declares they've developed a naval drone that can literally go around the world and they've sunk North Korean civilian ship or something, which of you noflagfags are going to be in here saying
>Oh I just don't know why they'd do that, clearly that's now how North Korean supplies would be getting to Russia!?
bollocks you would, you'd be celebrating another critical blow to NATO's enemies Russia.

>>2877763
The distance to the Mediterranean is a lot less than the distance to the Sea of Japan or the Yellow Sea.
>>2877780
>Like okay say tomorrow Ukraine declares they've developed a naval drone that can literally go around the world and they've sunk North Korean civilian ship or something, which of you noflagfags are going to be in here saying
<Oh I just don't know why they'd do that, clearly that's now how North Korean supplies would be getting to Russia!?
>bollocks you would, you'd be celebrating another critical blow to NATO's enemies Russia.
What the hell are you on about? Are you implying me and a bunch of others would be against this? That we somehow argued that if they were capable of it they wouldn't do it?
The discussion was about why they haven't done it. I offered some explanations. And now you're replying with this schizo diarrhea.

If they were capable of it, I think they'd do it. As seen with the Caspian strike recently.

So who is winning today boys? Hope everyone's having fun, and remember to stay hydrated too.

>>2877775
>Thus the real question is how china wants this war to end. All sides rely utterly on Chinese supply chains.
Yeah idk the answer to that. Iirc China has openly stated the use of nuclear weapons in this conflict is unacceptable.

>Thats why UkrSSRanon's claim that Russia is simply going to implode ultimately makes no sense to me
It's also one of those things you can't really talk about until it happens in any event. You can't say Russia is undergoing a military collapse right now. I think there is a collapse of a bizarre and short-sighted vision of a war that is like some "Special Military Operation" adventure that was foisted on Russia by the Kremlin where the heroes can go fight but people don't really have to pay much attention to it except hearing something about how Ukrainians are confused brothers who were manipulated by Westerners and "Nazi" leaders (never mind that your "brothers" have killed hundreds of thousands of your guys). That is more psychological and ideological.

That might also tie into the dudes playing dudes disguised as other dudes (while greasing up reactionary losers who hate them anyway). That is done on message boards with people playing different characters, but the truth might be that these dudes don't actually know what kind of dudes they are, because they're following a boomer Udmurt with dementia who can't remember if he's Soviet or Russian. There's just something off about the social structure, "contradictory," as we say and there's no long-term plans for anything, it's always reactive, and that makes them bad at war.

AP did a sit down interview with Laura loomer in Ukraine lol

It's the front page article now on the website

https://apnews.com/article/laura-loomer-trump-ukraine-russia-interview-101852f6deab17e1d8d215fdde675ee5

>>2877784
>The distance to the Mediterranean is a lot less than the distance to the Sea of Japan or the Yellow Sea.
So it just sailed through Istanbul, did it?
>Are you implying me and a bunch of others would be against this?
The suggestion was that there wasn't a reason to do so. But thanks for letting us know your neutral ass would be in favour of it anyway lmao

>>2877811
As if ukraine could be any less sympathetic they get this ghoul out cheerleading them

>>2877787
i am i slept all day and went for a nice jog in the evening thanks for asking

>>2877669
Oh man, I had planned the theme for the #293 thread.
I mean, the countdown hasn't ended…
>vidrel oil tanker bound to arrive to Odessa, was struck by a Russian anti-ship missile. the ship is seen turning over, with passerby people exclaiming 'it's turning over'

My fellow anti-revisionist communists, why does the Russian logistics hub market so many transhumanist sex toys?

>>2877996
>>2877996
you look so weird kink-shaming.

>>2877996
It's to help soldier wives on lonely nights while the men are off fighting, duh.

>>2877706
>It was Iran that taught Russia how to mass produce drones
factually wrong. Russians are like in the 5th gen of doritos drones. they even have jet engines now, instead of basic combustion engines.
it's like saying that China is credited for al the winning wars because they invented the gunpowder.

>>2877748
lmao

>>2877766
I sincerely don't understand the obsession with some white ultranationalists around the globe with Russia. Russia has systematically dismantled, unlike ukraine, nazi parties (rnu, rim). ukraine let them participate in elections, their banderite 'public servants' are now advisors, held high rank positions in different ministerial and government offices.
Russia might have a 'rusich', but it's utilization, not integration, like azov or carpathian sich, fully integrated inside the army, under complete state framework: they will collect pensions, state insurance, if there's any state policy (housing, goods, healthcare, etc.) they will be benefitted from it, even before many others, etc.
most nazis, after all, go fight for ukraine and joined by the thousands in structures like nation europa, german volunteer corps or the russian volunteer corps, that ended absorbed into the ukrainian army.
now, it's stupid to say that Putin is ML, lmao. though his analysis are often materialists.
maybe those knobheads believe that Russia should not go back to communism, then push the agenda. or maybe, they are cia paid agents, like boneface once claimed in his (now deleted) youtube account to stir up division and conflict.

>>2878110
Reactionaries engage in feels>reals politics, so they see what they want to see.

>>2878110
>I sincerely don't understand the obsession with some white ultranationalists around the globe with Russia.
Think a lot of those guys are just radical weirdos. I am not so familiar with Europe though, my experience is with American conservatives who are deranged morons who were like billions must die because there was muggafuggin transhumanist Bud Light when Putin was doing his Putin thing and Biden was in office, but they're so empty-headed that any kind of alliance with Russia was always going to be a vibe-based thing in the immediate moment.

>>2878183
Euro chuds largely supported Russia out of spite for the EU and because they saw in Putin’s Russia a more conservative or less ideologically contingent alternative to the EU and the USA since they reasoned that Russia wouldn’t care if their countries were nationalistic or not. Ofc this isn’t uniform as shown by how divisive it was to exclude the Ukrainian Svoboda from the AENM c. 2013.

And obviously much of that russophilia in the European right dissipated by 2022, but it’s still there, just less as idealistic slavish devotion to Moscow and more as anti-Ukrainian pragmatism. Doesn’t help that anti-Ukrainian sentiment has been on the rise in parts of Poland and Czechia due to the Ukrainian refugee crisis, but that goes without saying.

But yh, prior to all that, in Europe it was really just chuds having a parasocial relationship with Russia based on internet memes and spite for shitlibs and woketards despite the fact that Russia is far less conservative than they would like to admit.

As for American chuds? More the latter insofar that parasocial relationship, idolisation of Russia, and anti-liberal spitefulness played big roles in how American chuds perceived Russia in the late 2010s. That has simmered as Trump inheriting Obama’a war and escalating shit there has led to many chuds come out in support of Ukraine as le white western ethno-state against the despotic multiracial Easter anti-west empire of Russia.

Read this slop to see what I mean: https://josrussia.org/white-nationalist-delusions-about-russia/

Yes, the article is written by a kraut, and he does use as a talking point as to why Russia didn’t turn into wignats in the Middle Ages of all things. Quiet a read, but still…

That sentiment existed for some time, it just seems to be amplified now that Trump is at proxy war with Russia and as the alt-right turns into edgier neoconservatism.

a friend of mine is babbling about Putler having supposedly been ousted in a coup. does anyone know anything about this? is it just the usual "Putin is finished!" NATO cope?

>>2878204
Cope, much like the “Russia will collapse” babbling from the DNC shills back in 2022.

Russia killed a Knights Hospitaller in 2026 lmao

https://xcancel.com/RWApodcast/status/2081752634311008698

Russian immigration laws have become stricter, whereas they used to be among some of the most liberal ones in the world.

Granted, I’ve always found news reporting on Russia to be unbalanced in the English language as a lot of it is either made by libs trying to portray it as a hypocritical nazi haven, and by chuds as either Agartha on Earth or some boorish version of the USA.

And RWA podcast has been caught lying more than once, although in this instance it seems his claims are credible. Nonetheless, still take it with a grain of salt as that podcast is English language mainly and caters primarily to a non-Russian chud audience, so there’s that.

But yh, I do wonder if these changes on the immigration laws will have any effect in terms of stopping any new deep strike attack by Ukraine as one of the bombings against a Russian fleet of strategic bombers seemed to be performed within Russian territory, as well as Azeri organized crime which acts as a safe line for weapons smuggling across Ukraine and the Middle East. And keep in mind that Azerbaijan is practically a MATO client state with ambiguous relationships to Russia, but a key partner to Israel.

We’ll see if these laws are actually enforceable considering how Russia has one of the world’s largest borders. Then again, after the economic downturn due to the war immigration to Russia has decreased significantly.

>>2878316
>death toll raised to 24.
expected. I expect to raise more.

>>2878340
like any other capitalist country, its enforceability will be conditioned by the capitalists need for exploiting others.

jesus man…
he's chugging all those English muffins, so it seems.

Checking in to see what copes the azov left has for MAGA becoming #slavaukraini and Ukraine attacking Iran
Give me some juicy copes

>>2878542
let me deep dive into the Pal-Ukr flag-sphere later on.

>>2878542
well, I reviewed 12 different x.com accounts using pal/ukr flags, that have talked about loomer. they are willingly, conveniently, ignoring the meeting.
count:
11 willingly ignoring the case.
1 whitewashing loomer because she visited ukraine (forget about Palestine, alright) with stuff like 'Loomer at least came to Ukraine and is actually helpful now.'

pic attached is the evidence of some of the accounts. you simply take a screenshot of their flags, and then reply whatever post of them defending Palestine with laura loomer and zelya, they will instan-block you. **just FYI: no, in any of the 5 accounts attached you won't find my X account, lmao.
second FYI, I grabbed a loomer-zelya meeting picture to encrypted for image reverse search using AI tools, you won't find me using the people I interacted with searching in google, and narrow down the search to X and date
third FYI: you then can accuse me that I am exaggerating. try it for yourselves LMAO
for the reddit-sphere….

>>2878542


….in reddit it's quite dead, except in r/ukraine, no mention in libleft. they have completely ignored the issue.
the latter-day saint, loomer. it's the best you'll get.
but very little, if any, discussion on libleft. totally ignored. naught. they don't have a script to follow, they aren't told what to say or how to cope.
I have a reddit account, but sincerely I think the outcome of posting the zelya/loomer meeting in places like libleft will get me insta-banned, at best, at worst some serious mental gymnastic on how loomer is just a useful political tool to get trump funding the war.

>>2878542
Why would they cope? (Ukronationalist) Ukrainian telegram seems happy about this. Not surprised at this >>2878777 however.
>>2878340
In a better world, Russia would really be the mythical virile civilizational state expanding its empire by conquering Ukraine thus dismantling post-soviet borders, led by World Spirit Putin.
In reality though they're a bunch of "idiocy of rural life" boomers afraid of central Asian mooselimbs and faggots ruining the Volk.
Like look. I get dunking on Azov, and if you think I don't chuckle at some sieg heiling pagan art aficionado getting droned on a killcam then you (Champs, Farcanons here) are mistaken.
But I don't get what some of (you) see in Russia. They're not more "progressive" than Ukraine. Zgang and Ukronationalists have the same insular small minded view of their respective "nations". The best result at the end of all this would be picrel.

>>2878340
Well duh. Since a reactionary capitalist party is leading Russia, the workers there would be just as gullible to anti-migration PR tactics about migrants who apparently all rape, steal, and take away your nation's wealth as the nations they supposedly hate.

>>2878789
>Labor migrants must prove they can support themselves and family members, or their work permit won't be renewed.
standard for all nato/western countries.
>Grounds for revoking residence permits are expanded, including failure to provide income/tax docs or having too low an official income.
standard for all nato/western countries.
>Children of labor immigrants can only stay while a parent's work permit is valid; at 18, they must apply for their own permit or leave within 30 days.
Present in countries like Sweden, Greece and the US.
>Authority to approve occupations for migrants is transferred from the Ministry of Labor to the Ministry of the Interior.
Present in France, Cyprus, all Gulf States.

>>2878784
Russia is spiritually African.

>>2878796
Yes, but wouldn't it be nice if Russia actually was the anti-west it pretends to be?
That's what I hoped for years, that the war would transform Russia into what the west and Ukraine could never be.

>>2878784
>it's a pity both sides can't lose
Ohhh so edgy, funny how they tried to ressurect his elderly spirit to try and negotiate with China after a disastrous trade war

this short documentary describes how ukrainian apartments are being used as military assets for the uaf.
of course, the nazi paraphernalia flies over the head of Simon Ostrovsky, who published the documentary.

>>2878800
where were you when Russia didn't have those restrictions? where is your past praise for it?
WHERE?
also, Russia does have a internal security issue. ukrainian terrorists have used different loopholes in the immigration system that allowed terrorist attacks.
the western neolib shitholes do it as a stigmatization.
stupid moron, as per usual.

>>2878800
>Yes, but wouldn't it be nice if Russia actually was the anti-west it pretends to be?
Yeah… Send in the Zigger army Putin, what are you fucking doing?

>>2878802
>investigative journalist
Not very investigative of him to ignore Nazi periphernalia, yeah?

>>2878796
>standard for all nato/western countries.
I didn't know zizters loved nato and western countries so much. Perhaps you should kiss with your imperialist brothers and zizters

I feel like Putin is still trying to be an "optics-cuck" isn't he? Like how they lied about the North Korean troops originally for I don't know what reason. Like does optics matter at this point? What kind of reputation there is to salvage in the Western mind still? Just fucking fight to win already. I think he thinks Americans are going to eventually get tired of a war that doesn't impact them in any shape or form. I don't know about that dude. Americans stayed in Afghanistan for 20 years with "boots on the ground."

>>2878804
>where were you when Russia didn't have those restrictions? where is your past praise for it?
It might surprise you, but I did back in the day.
>the western neolib shitholes do it as a stigmatization.
You think Russia doesn't? Haven't you followed channels like Rybar the past few years? Or other (including English) zbloggers channels? It's no different.
>Russia does have a internal security issue.
Where? You think a few Ukraine sympathizing central Asian migrants are gonna influence the outcome of the war? Why do you feel like defending this, would you defend this for Ukraine or NATO states? (who you know have also had their share of terrorism in recent decades)
Shit like this btw
>The Ministry of the Interior will now determine the circumstances in which migrants may work outside the region that issued their permit, no longer the Ministry of Labor
Is not standard among NATO states. So it somehow manages to be even worse.

>Asian mooselimbs and faggots ruining the Volk.

about gay people it's about the same for ukraine and Russia.
About 'Asian mooselimbs' that's pure projection.
it was the west that created the third picrel.
as per usual, the dumb is being dumb.

>It might surprise you, but I did back in the day.
no evidence, you are talking out of your ass. thank you.

>Migrant worker restrictions on par and in some cases worse than what MAGA republicans and reactionaries like the AFD/National Rally want to impose
Imagine defending this by comparing it to reactionary Gulf States and their quasi-slavery (Kafala) systems, instead of acknowledging its reactionary.

>>2878816
It's very interesting viewing migrant restrictions irregardless of factual migration and naturalization statistics

>>2878811
To add, I think Putin seems to think they're going to let Russia back in the club someday. He doesn't seem to realize IT'S OVER. There is no going back. That bridge is burnt at the very least until Putin himself is in the grave. Like I heard Colonel Macgregor say, there is a lot of American Jews who still hate Russia because of whatever pogroms in tsarist Russia or whatever perceived antisemitisms of Stalin. Americans as a whole have lingering animosity because of the Cold War. These people don't forgive and forget. It's time to move on. You will never get to hold hands with an American president while wearing a silly dress again.

I didn't get any (you)'s for this. Do what's right, will you?

All of our problems with the EU started after Putin refused to ratify the Energy Charter. That charter envisioned a system similar to the 2016 Naftogaz model, where production, transportation, storage, and distribution are four separate entities (in technical terms – unbundling), and access to the main gas transit system would be granted to Turkmen, Azerbaijani, Kazakh, and even Polish gas from Świnoujście. The idea was that these players, to curry favor with the European authorities, would lower prices, allowing Europeans to buy cheap gas and oil at $30–50 a barrel, just like in the glory days of the 1990s when the West reveled in its unipolar dominance.

Once ratification was rejected, and Gazprom began systematically expanding its presence by acquiring capacity and distribution networks in the EU, with oil consolidated under Rosneft, Khodorkovsky whisking away his assets, and Nevzlin hiding in Israel, the EU launched its first gas war. The narrative was that the Russians had become unreliable and were abusing their monopoly position. This laid the groundwork for: a) moving away from the old transit scheme that allowed unlimited transit through Ukrainian gas infrastructure to the EU; b) the foundation for the Third Energy Package; and c) the theoretical justification for the Gas Directive, which imposed a 50/50 ownership and pumping split on pipelines and tried to force suppliers into price competition through discriminatory access to Russian gas transit infrastructure.

Then came the second gas war, the arbitrary cancellation of South Stream, the difficult but ultimately successful launch of Nord Stream 1 (based on Soviet-era surveys), the OPAL regulation, Gazprom's acquisition of distribution networks, storage facilities, gas stations, and refineries in Bulgaria and Serbia – and a lot more. But the EU had already declared that it wanted gas cheaper, ideally for free.

After that came arbitrary lawsuits, Stockholm arbitrations, retroactive gas directives, antitrust actions in Poland, bans and obstacles to Nord Stream 2, and attempts to derail TurkStream. When it became clear that the transit system was pumping, TurkStream was pumping, Nord Stream 1 was pumping, and Nord Stream 2 was nearly finished, they dropped the first tactical nuclear bomb: the Stockholm arbitration ruling that invalidated the contract price.

Gazprom swallowed that and managed to substitute volumes, after which the EU introduced the Gas Directive, effectively burying the system of long-term oil-indexed contracts in favor of exchange-based pricing. The result was disastrous – record high gas prices during the peak of COVID, and the only time gas dropped to $37 per thousand cubic meters for two months, which made Ursula von der Leyen practically swoon with delight.

Then it turned out that all of that was in vain, and prices shot back up uncontrollably. It was exactly then, two years before the special military operation, on a stream featuring Russian and Ukrainian energy experts – Martsinkevich, Zemlyansky, and Marunich – that they discussed what Europe would do with its gas supply if the system were disrupted. A tipsy Martsinkevich (known as Netesak) said that in the past, such conflicts were resolved by war. The stream fell into dead silence…

You could hear the proverbial sphincters clenching, lighters flickering, the hum of gas flowing through 700–1153 mm pipelines, and palpable fear. But the fear subsided, and everyone let it slide to avoid escalating tensions, until the EU rolled out billions in antitrust claims against Gazprom and filed $300 billion in WTO claims against Russia over government procurement market protections. Then came the special military operation, into which the EU eagerly plunged, dreaming of free oil at $17 a barrel and gas at $23 per thousand cubic meters – all while Khodorkovsky would be great again, decolonization would happen, Russia would collapse, Ursula would rejoice, Kaja Kallas would tear Bismarck a new one, Josep Borrell would be on Epstein's island and nobody could catch him, Trump would be sitting around, everyone would be sitting around, global domination by the Global South would be established, and China would withdraw from the market.

So what's the point of all this? The Ukrainians simply turned out to be the only fools ready to die for the realization of the Euro-American ambitions outlined above. The details don't matter. For a smile from their Western benefactors, Ukrainians die – and they're okay with that.

In a nutshell – there were many corrupt schemes that enriched elites on both sides at the expense of the Russian budget. Until 2005, Ukrainians received gas at 50% of the European price (3–4 times cheaper). They lived lavishly on that; their entire metallurgical industry and energy sector ran on cheap gas, which in turn made their steel and electricity exports to Europe cheaper. But Ukrainians also wanted permission to RE-EXPORT Russian gas bought at $50 to Europe (where it sold for $200+). Gazprom was appalled and clashed with Ukraine for the first time in the winter of 2004–2005.

Ukrainians were offered a new contract at 230% of the old price, they refused to sign, and gas was cut off on New Year's Eve. But after a couple of weeks, they managed to negotiate a very murky and corrupt deal at $95.

The next time, in 2008, after more corrupt maneuvering involving Tymoshenko, they pushed through a market-based price. This was a win for Gazprom, but Ukrainian industry immediately struggled and began to decline. Ukrainian gas consumption fell by 5,000 billion cubic meters.

Finally, under Yanukovych, they secured a 50% discount off the market price in exchange for extending the lease on Sevastopol. After that, metallurgy began to revive slightly. Then came 2014, Crimea, and the Ukrainians officially refused Russian gas (though in reality they still took it from the pipeline, they just bought it from Europe – but Europe was buying it from Russia, so the physical gas never actually entered Ukraine from Europe). And in 2024, physical transit ceased when fighting started near Sudzha.

To add to what's been written, I'll elaborate on some things. All of our problems with the EU really started on a global scale when Putin began to rein in the so-called "seven bankers" who had been supplying almost free oil and gas while the Western beneficiaries profited from production-sharing agreements. And when Russia refused to ratify the Energy Charter.

The Energy Charter required the separation of production and delivery of oil/gas, required the supplier to deliver regardless of payment or contract terms, with prices set abroad. It also built in a mechanism for forced price reductions by requiring the owner of the gas transmission system to allow competitive access to other suppliers' oil and gas. On paper, this meant admitting Central Asian and Kazakh hydrocarbons; in reality, it meant control over the pipeline by BP, Exxon, Total, Chevron, etc. The Russians are still trying to squeeze Western oil and gas interests out, with limited success.

At that time, they tried to strangle Russia through Ukraine, whose gas transit system could potentially increase deliveries up to 400 billion cubic meters per year, provoking two gas wars and creating a narrative in the EU that Russia was an unreliable producer. This began the dismantling of the globalized system of long-term oil-indexed contracts and a shift to exchange-based (i.e., manipulable) pricing.

To that end, Yushchenko started ordering pipe dreams about TAP, TANAP, and Nabucco pipelines to supply non-Russian gas; renegotiating contracts with Russia; seizing Ukrainian refineries (like those owned by Tatneft); and constantly threatening to increase domestic production – Ukrainians could theoretically ramp up their own gas output to 60 billion cubic meters per year.

Around the same time, South Stream (an analogue of TurkStream and Nord Stream) was buried. Russia tried to use a legal loophole to build Nord Stream, since surveys had been done back in the late Soviet period. They also completed Blue Stream (at a time when Erdogan was in power in Turkey and Turkey was almost openly sponsoring Wahhabis – so that wasn't ideal). Gazprom bought up a ton of onshore infrastructure in Europe, created joint ventures, etc. And when the completion of these pipelines became inevitable, the EU adopted the discriminatory Third Energy Package and Regulation No. 715/2009 on conditions for access to natural gas transmission networks, to legally implement roughly the same scheme that the Energy Charter envisioned.

Gazprom tried to bypass further risks by building the OPAL onshore distribution pipeline, but it was capped at 50% capacity. Then came the need to break up Naftogaz's vertically integrated structure: separating production, transportation, and underground storage in western Ukraine – done under the pretext of supposed massive shale gas deposits in Donbas, so that Ukrainians would be emboldened to cut ties with Russia.

And then the snowball rolled: retroactive contract renegotiations, biased Stockholm arbitration rulings, illegal restrictions on the Druzhba pipeline, GTS and OPAL restrictions, delays in Nord Stream 2 construction, and obstacles to TurkStream. Gazprom tried to sue, and through Erdogan's vanity, attempted to make Turkey a gas hub so that Russian gas would magically become Turkish and avoid the Third Energy Package restrictions. But European companies flatly refused and announced a program to abandon long-term contracts, retroactively renegotiated terms, applied the Gas Directive retroactively to already-built Nord Stream 1 and 2, etc. Meanwhile, they drained every possible spare dollar from Ukrainians – about $70–90 billion – through ever-rising tariffs, and legislatively enshrined a rejection of Russian gas, an energy transition to hydrogen, and exchange-based pricing.

The exchange-based pricing system worked for exactly one quarter: oil at $38 at the bottom, gas at $82. Europe was overjoyed. Then came the month of panic from the Southern Butovo gas field, when oil futures briefly stabilized prices in Europe, but Europe was terrified by the prospect of gas prices again reaching $2,000–3,000 per thousand cubic meters. Then COVID, sanctions, the sabotage of Nord Stream, and the eventual halt of transit in meaningful volumes.

Europe is fighting us mainly to turn the clock back to the 1990s: free oil and gas deliveries, total control, all foreign currency revenues ending up in EU sovereign debt, nouveau riche in tasteless outfits buying useless villas for millions, parading their mistresses around Milan in Bentleys and Hermès bags, while the oligarchs' children spend millions on London apartments where Harry Potter was filmed.

In fact, the first to declare that war with Ukraine and the EU was inevitable were energy experts – our Martsinkevich and Ukrainian Zemlyansky – in late November 2019. For an hour and a half, they speculated on how to continue living and exporting to the EU, and concluded that the system was broken – and historically, that meant either upheaval or war. Martsinkevich was completely drunk and smoked through the entire hour and a half. Interestingly, in the US over the last year and a half, a view has been gaining traction that the "GDP" indicator should be replaced by an energy consumption index. JUST THINK ABOUT IT!

>>2878814
>about gay people it's about the same for ukraine and Russia.
That's kinda my point. Ukrotelegram (at least the nationalist side) is also racist, xenophobic and homophobic. (Though I've encountered much less of it offline).
<About 'Asian mooselimbs' that's pure projection.
You're obviously not aware then what's been going on in Russian nationalists circles, especially on platforms like telegram the last few years. (including well known channels like Rybar) It's gotten especially bad post-Crocus.
>>2878815
I posted under a different flag back then, different IPs too so not much point trying to "prove it".

>I swear to god, I praised Russia when it was this WHOLESOME CHINGUS PROGRESSIVE way, THAT'S WHY TRAVELED TO LVOV AND NOT MOSCOW :D . trust me(TM) bro.
what a dumb bitch.
anyway, here's a ukrainian choo-choo train going on the rails while burning after got hit by

>>2878817
Having a thousand or a million migrants doesn't make any of this stuff less reactionary.

>>2878819
>I didn't get any (you)'s for this. Do what's right, will you?
Is this supposed to be your writing or are you reposting an article?

>All of our problems with the EU started after Putin refused to ratify the Energy Charter.
Who is our?

>>2878821
Narc response. You'd be surprised where I was living a few years ago.
>Not Moscow
Moscow is quite a bit further away from where I used to live before I visited Ukraine. It wasn't something I could afford either at the time You also ignore the part where traveling to Moscow for EU citizens requires a visa. Which isn't the case for Ukraine.

>Engage with the actual news
<Post some occasional light critique/anecdotes
<Devolves in personal attacks (again)
<retard, sexpest, liar, moron, NAFO, pedophile, fed!
Do you ever get tired of picking dumb fights like these over nothing? Embarrassing levels of tribalism (reminds me of actual NAFO libs and zionists)

2026, le maymay two people in one picture
damn bruh, guess I will never end to see people descending into the dumbhole meymey.

>>2878819
good to have in mind, but the reasons are not lying around the gas issue.

>>2878829
>2026, le maymay two people in one picture
You know there is much more too it than that. Lol, I include pictures because I know that's all you're capable of recognizing and I won't get a response any other way but you are still to cowardly to even tag my post.

>>2878819
>a view has been gaining traction that the "GDP" indicator should be replaced by an energy consumption index. JUST THINK ABOUT IT!
I think this is a much closer approximation of wealth, living standards and spending per capita than GDP. But it has it's flaws too.

>>2878826
You are alright Thrillpill except you won't reply to my posts either.

>Do you ever get tired
you are the one coming here, conveniently making shit up to make two states the same thing.
stfu, and go to another gay parade raided by banderonazis.

>there is much more too it than tha
and times goes by, things change, things are not monolithic. post that one again about Putin talking about pinochet so I can report you for sapming the thread with your non-argumenta trolling posts.
also, I don't give (You)s to people engaged in trolling.

>>2878832
Hmmm….

>Substitution method The “substitution method” is one method used to adjust primary energy consumption for efficiency losses experienced by fossil fuels. It tries to adjust non-fossil energy sources to the inputs that would be needed if it was generated from fossil fuels. It assumes that wind and solar electricity is as inefficient as coal or gas.To do this, energy generation from non-fossil sources are divided by a standard ‘thermal efficiency factor’ – typically around 0.4Nuclear power is also adjusted despite it also experiencing thermal losses in a power plant. Since it’s reported in terms of electricity output, we need to do this adjustment to calculate its equivalent input value.You can read more about this adjustment in our article.

America has lost treatler status.

>>2878836
You know they're really seething when they do this game of not tagging the posts. Lol.

>so I can report you for sapming
Oh Jesus. This is just sad.

sad is coming in here knowing you are doing dumb shit and willingly getting called dumb for the amusement of getting called dumb. as I always say, you are in for the ritual of fetishized humiliation.

Ayway, news from Lvov:
>In Lvov, a man with a knife attempted to attack participants in a rally in support of former Defense Minister Fedorov, NV reports.
**YES PROTESTS TO RESTITUTE FEDOROV HAVEN'T STOPPED"

>He was detained.

>>2878833
I'd love to engage more with (long) effort posts instead of tribalists having melties over milquetoast critiques.
Anyway I dunno if you wrote the long effort post above, but the whole gas revenues thing is also why I'm convinced Nordstream 2 was blown up by Ukrainians. Transit fees and (especially) controlling one of the few pipelines going west was a good motive for "staying in the loop" for Bankova back in 2022. Makes much more sense to me than trying to deprive Russia or revenues per se.
Ultimately, war aside, I feel like Lukashenko played this much better. But no surprise considering the lack of oligarchs in Belarus trying to get greedy with transit revenues and cheap deliveries.
I also think >>2878818 is wrong. Without the war the Manicheans can scream all they want about orcs and Mordor. But things will get back to "normal" considering the profits involved. Why would the Kremlin or Brussels want to put all their eggs in one basket (China and USA respectively)?
The cold war didn't stop the Europeans from buying Soviet energy either.

>>2878840
>is wrong. Without the war the Manicheans can scream all they want about orcs and Mordor. But things will get back to "normal" considering the profits involved. Why would the Kremlin or Brussels want to put all their eggs in one basket (China and USA respectively)?
>The cold war didn't stop the Europeans from buying Soviet energy either.
I'd say you're crazy. So do you agree with me that this is Putin's plan? Reopen Nord Stream. Oh god. You all really believe everything is going to go back to pre 2022 in the near termish future? If this is what you're all counting on…

>>2878834
>make two states the same thing
You literal brought that up yourself in >>2878796
I wasn't the one who started with the "NATO and Gulf States do this too" lol
>>2878839
>sad is coming in here knowing you are doing dumb shit and willingly getting called dumb for the amusement of getting called dumb. as I always say, you are in for the ritual of fetishized humiliation.
Embarrassing man. Reminds me of watching Haz lose it on stream or his meltdowns back on revleft.

>>2878839
>sad is coming in here knowing you are doing dumb shit and willingly getting called dumb for the amusement of getting called dumb. as I always say, you are in for the ritual of fetishized humiliation.

>>2878844
>Embarrassing man. Reminds me of watching Haz lose it on stream or his meltdowns back on revleft.
I'm glad I could bring you two together. But I have a more accurate appraisal of the situation than you him or Putin. They're not going let this go easy guys. Wow. I'd like to hear more about what your appraisal of the situation and how this all goes back to pre-2022

There is one thing Putin and Russia could do to get back in the Western club, and that's join America's war on China, and he'd have to be crazy to do that.

>people think I have a breakdown.
people, I love to call you dumb. lmao.
it's dumb to base an analysis of what Putin wants or doesn't want based on 2006 photo of him with dubya. so there you go: you are dumb, lmao. there's no much more of it.
and for the 'I defended Russia trust me bro' without evidence it's so ridiculous on its own, it seems to me that you always have a 'card under the sleeve' as if you were honing for years some pathetic set of skills to try to smugnorantly win a debate, and derive the conversation on your own claim: REEEE BOTH STATES ARE DUMB HOW DARE YOU TO SUPPORT EITHER OF ONE
while, interestingly, backing up ukraine.
very stupid person. so LOL at (You)
that's the only (You) you'll, both of you, get.

>>2878848
Once again you can only recognize pictures and not text. Are you gonna report meee????

>>2878842
I do think they'll try, once this is over. Europe has its own porky interests and they'll want access to cheap energy. And without Europe the Kremlin is very dependent on one major export market (China and East Asia generally, and India has a long way to catch up). No permanent friends or enemies and all that.
My cynicism extends to all parties involved, which is why I'm never surprised and "offended" when any of them do something reactionary, or it devolves into some typical realpolitik. The people who 'identify' with either side and pretend they're fighting a Good vs Evil war out there are gonna get real burned out and disillusioned once this all ends.

It's a bit like whats happening in the middle east with Israel.
>Why won't the Turks and Arab states join in the final battle against the Zionist menace don't they realize what's at stake!1!?!?!
As if the people in charge actually care about this manichean nonsense once the dust settles. I'd go as far and question if it would ever have gotten to this point if Netanyahu's political future wasn't so precarious.
Of course arguing like this makes a lot of people (on both sides) upset. Not saying you're one of them, but there's some people who have tied their identities to this. And they get really upset when you point out things might not be as eschatological as its made out to be online and refuse to validate their worldview.

I'm not trolling, I'm asking a serious straight forward question:
Do you honestly believe that things will go back to pre-2022 in the next decade or two?

>>2878851
Russia is the casus belli for "ReArming" Europe which they've been wanting to do for years since before 2022. They're not going to let this go. European countries are talking about getting their own nuclear weapons even. It's not so simple as "we want cheap gas." They're already making due and the longer this goes on the stronger their alternatives will be.

>>2878852
>Do you honestly believe that things will go back to pre-2022 in the next decade or two?
unless any of the two parties involved backdown, no in a concrete state-policy way.

>>2878852
Nah, Euroids have lost the plot due to China stealing Russia from under them

>>2878852
It depends on what you mean. EU/Russian energy trade? Yes, I can see that happening. Everyone pretending like literally nothing happened? No.
During the Cold War "anti-communist" Western Europe was buying energy from… the Soviets. Or you know Nixon going to China and all that (After fighting each other in a war 20 years before).
I'm too cynical to pretend it's gonna be any different this time around because… why would it? It's happened before, and as I see it, it'll (prob) happen again.

>>2878857
They've stolen a lot of Russian money already. You think they are giving it back? Think sanctions are going to get lifted? You think Russia is getting back in SWIFT? I don't. Not anytime soon.

>>2878859
Furthermore, they got sanctioned by China, lol.

>>2878859
From what I understand, a portion of the frozen assets has already been returned through various lawsuits. I think the figure was upwards of 330+ billion back in 2022, and it's now declined to… 200 billion or even less? Don't quote me on this though, I will have to dig into it again.
Ultimately I can see it happening as part of a deal. A lot of people will be disgusted etc. But it doesn't matter (it almost never has). Another advantage of lifting sanctions is that you can threaten to… do it again (see Iran).

>>2878863
Ok I guess I'll take your "don't quote me on this word" I remember the Euros were weary of transferring the stolen assets to Ukraine, and then America was going to underwrite them for it so they could sneakily pass another aid package to Ukraine. But what Ukraine and Europe seem to think is reasonable is reparations. I don't believe Russia will ever pay such a thing but I doubt Europe and Russia will ever stop demanding it.

>But it doesn't matter (it almost never has). Another advantage of lifting sanctions is that you can threaten to… do it again (see Iran).
Kind of an interesting point. But you see that sanctions are only ever lifted once they believe that they have the targeted country under their yoke otherwise. How will Russia convince the West of this?

But I see you won't touch how this whole Ukraine-Russia war is the justification to "ReArm Europe" which is a longstanding project that precedes the current war. This is fucking gold for them. If there is no Russian boogeyman than who will the Euros be building the weapons to use against?

>>2878802
you could probably geolocate this

Julian? more like Zulian.

I mean from the get go, as long as America has sway in Europe, they don't want Europe tied to Russia in anyway, they don't want Europe buying Russian gas as they have said so explicitly. But from my reading, somehow this American manufactured crisis has taken ahold of Europe to the point that they are far more invested in this war than America. Trump can just openly say:
>I don't care about this Ukraine thing, that's a you guys problem!

I wish the Euros were smarter than they are but they're not.

You know, talking about the Soviets, the Soviets were never ever engaged with America in a conflict like this.

I've heard some people say about the Russian strategy was "wait for Trump to be in office." and now he's shifting to getting gung-ho behind Ukraine. I don't think the next guy or gal will be any better at all. The best you could say is Trump is a small reprieve. I'm pretty sure the next president and congress will probably invest even more into this war. I don't know if the Ukrainians will have the manpower but they will try and find the last Ukrainian no doubt.

>>2878866
I feel like this makes life… shittier. But I don't see this affecting military logistics much. But I haven't visited around there, or know people living in the area so I don't know. A much bigger issue to me seems to be FPV drones targeting fuel and supply trucks directly, forcing everything to move in convoys. Aside from targeting trucks themselves.
I think people underestimate how far a truck can travel on one tank of gas. And Dnipro-Kharkiv is only ~217 km or so.
>>2878864
>If there is no Russian boogeyman than who will the Euros be building the weapons to use against?
You can have both at the same time. I don't think the Kremlin has to capitulate for this, only for any 'deal' to be mutually profitable once the dust has settled.

>>2878872
>You can have both at the same time. I don't think the Kremlin has to capitulate for this, only for any 'deal' to be mutually profitable once the dust has settled.
Dust ain't going to settle dood. Both Russia and Ukraine/Their Western-Backers can't reach agreeable terms and they won't. Russia can't capitulate and neither can day. I predict this war will continue for another few decades.

>>2878871
>last Ukrainian no doubt
no doubt:
https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/zelenskyy-sets-air-defense-and-mobilization-priorities-for-ukraines-new-defense-leadership-21021
zelya:
>Both Drapatyi and Khmara will have to fulfill the main task after this long, exhausting war for everyone. The issues of closing the skies, the TCCs, and giving mobilization a normal face—if I can put it that way—all of this will have to be done together, in alliance, until the war ends. Unfortunately, such an alliance did not exist before.
he's talking out of his ass, but the mobilisation (of ukrainians) part is pretty dark, given that the 'normal face' so far has been: >>2878843 things like that, a normal face.

>>2878875
I don't know dawg, I think if you guys take Kyiv or whatever, I guess you can force capitulation, but I don't know what these Euros and Americans might do. I don't see any other scenario other than taking the whole country and forcing capitulation. These Euros will probably jump in the fight at a certain point.

>>2878871
November is gonna be interesting. From what I understand it is technically feasible for congress to allocate aid to Ukraine, even if Trump disagrees?
>I don't know if the Ukrainians will have the manpower but they will try and find the last Ukrainian no doubt.
I'm skeptical at this point that there's really 1000 dying on both sides every day or so. I think there is attrition due to contracts running out and people quitting (and I've met people on the Ukrainian side who quit for those reasons). But it's different from actually losing a 1000 a day due to casualties or fatalities. Assault units aside.
But there's still plenty of money for mercenaries on both sides. For a couple of billion $ per annum you can hire hundreds of thousands of mercenaries to keep the show running for years.
>But Thrillpilled, why then are they (stealth) mobilizing/busifying people?
I think there's still issues finding enough foreigners, even if there is money to hire them. Add to the fact mercenary recruitment is illegal in many places. But there's not much in the way of reliable data other than Bankova admitting there's like ~2 million(!) draft dodgers and tens of thousands (I think I read up to ~200,000, again don't quote me on that) of deserters in Ukraine.
Not that it seems to make any difference in how the front line is moving however.

I think nuclear arms are a joke because America is serious and will actually press the Armageddon button. If they didn't anyone who uses them automatically has the mark of shame forever such as America has even after they killed so many more civilians through firebombing. Russia seems incapable of handling Ukraine, can they handle Ukraine+Poland, + the entire NATO alliance? The situation is really kind of dire.

>>2878880
They don't have to do "mercenaries" if they find an ally to send them troops like North Korea.

and this whole "mercenary" question. Maybe if Russia wasn't such an optics cuck and trying to play the high ground about "muh international law" like the Euro and American based institutions give a fuck about such a thing could've fielded way more mercenaries than Ukraine.

Ok, enough about me positing my ideas let us roundtable this:

How does everyone here see this war ending and by what date?

>>2878885
Year and a half from now when the internal unrest gets too bad to handle for either Ukraine or Russia

>>2878886
>either
No, not an answer.

>>2878887
Then why the fuck are you asking if you know the answer?

>>2878888
I didn't say I have the answer. Any answer I have is an opinion. I'm asking for yours. You said one or the other capitulates. "Whoah really? One side or the other will be defeated? Who could have seen this coming?!?" I'm saying you need to pick one or the other to be a meaningful answer.

>>2878889
>>2878885
I'll put my own answer out there first which is that I believe this conflict will go on for decades probably.

>>2878879
>I guess you can force capitulation
they can squeak and screech, if Russia says until this place we go, and ukraine decides to be belligerent afterwards, then it doesn't matter. they may want to send drones. they will never have the same capabilities of glide bombs, etc. as Russia does. that alone it's the whack on the head they could need. the one they'll ever need.
>but I don't know what these Euros and Americans might do.
with what men?
zelya himself in this interview, I watched completely (but you can skip to 'politics in ukraine')
https://youtu.be/-HypRv9GHuI?t=1171
it's precisely what zelya lays down in the interview about needing people. the wunderwaffen robot chivalry marching toward Crimea is a fantasy he's acknowledging here, and why fedorov is not coming back (weaselly enough, he doesn't lay a rotund no, because of course, that's how zelya is). in any case, that he really wanted to play dumb with fedorov as a possible solution for the mobilization problem ukraine has, is beyond me the reason why. and of course, comes the blame for the gradual losses in different areas: the two men (agent S, agent F) weren't communicating or deciding what's best uh-huh.

and as Pointed out in the last thread when the new rarted papiez said that an army of mercenaries could work here, Machiavelli wrote about that in The Prince. and it's a terrible, TERRIBLE, VERY TERRIBLE idea. specially with how corrupt ukraine is, lmao.

>>2878885
it'll end under the terms of Russia. when? when they decide what those terms for ending the war are, but very likely, achieving most of their goals. or very close in achieving most of their goals.

>>2878894
I thought such things maybe, then Russia held referendums about admitting territories they have now lost like Kherson. They fucked up so bad. So bad. So what is Russia going to admit? The Kherson referendum was all a joke?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_annexation_referendums_in_Russian-occupied_Ukraine#Kherson_Oblast
Is Ukraine going to let any of these territories go in writing? I don't see this war coming to any terms at all. Korea has never come to any terms either.

>>2878895
Two or three threads ago you can find a press release of Putin talking about the need of taking Novorossiya. And more recently he came out with an anecdote of a soldier getting a medal of hero, for his service, who whispered to Putin 'we will win, but we want to be bolder' and makes the rhetorical question to the public 'do you want to be bolder' and all the public present there cheered and answered yes.
If Novorossiya is the next phase, then Kherson will return. But won't be as relevant as before tbh.

On the DPRK/South Korea similarity well, that's an end.

>>2878908
>Two or three threads ago you can find a press release of Putin talking about the need of taking Novorssiya.
I tuned out of t his thread tbh.
>And more recently he came out with an anecdote of a soldier getting a medal of hero, for his service, who whispered to Putin 'we will win, but we want to be bolder' and makes the rhetorical question to the public 'do you want to be bolder' and all the public present there cheered and answered yes
ok
>If Novorossiya is the next phase, then Kherson will return. But won't be as relevant as before tbh.
ok.

>On the DPRK/South Korea similarity well, that's an end.
Seems that way.

You know, speaking of the Koreas, the West(read: America) never let the other guys back in the club now did they?

>>2878885
it will never end, there will always be a russia

>>2877743
>The real question I have is why the West is so confident that Russia won't just flip the table, tell everyone to fuck off, and nuke something
Because nukes don't exist. That was long considered a fringe conspiracy, but isn't it just so fascinating how you never hear about them outside of Hollywood movies or videogames? The West openly talks about fighting Russia and China. But in the Cold War kayfabe that'd be considered insane because they have nukes! You CAN'T attack nuclear powers! That's what everyone used to say. Seems like no one wants to keep up the pretense anymore.

>>2878867
>it's americans fault now
the biggest obstacle to reconciliation is russians inability to take responsibility for going ooga booga thb

>>2879040
>there will always be a russia
It takes a lot to destroy a nation, but nations are historically constituted things, not eternal supra-historical things that have always existed or will always exist.

>>2879075
before russians there were mongols before mongols there were huns and so on and so on

>>2878908
>And more recently he came out with an anecdote of a soldier getting a medal of hero, for his service, who whispered to Putin 'we will win, but we want to be bolder' and makes the rhetorical question to the public 'do you want to be bolder' and all the public present there cheered and answered yes.

Video:

>>2879136
Conscript all of them then, the chauvinists should be first in line to the trenches I say

Man, civilians in Ukraine can't catch a break.

>>2879165
don't worry, I've been told that's not a game-changing operation civilians can cope as long, ctrl+f,:
>But I don't see this affecting military logistics much

>>2879056
Who is going to make them? Actually I bet Cucktin would accept a deal where he only keeps Crimea even, but that is too far for the Ukies and their western patrons.

LISTEN UP WESTERNERS A REAL ZIGGA IS SPEAKING

CUCKRAINE STATUS?

>>2879243
cuckkkraine when it faces a real gigachad country

>>2879056
Ukraine can surrender any time

>>2879257
>>2879243
they are seriously concerned that it's not only Russia sending them cruise and ballistic missiles.
ukranian TG channel.

>>2879136
>Wollt ihr den totalen Krieg!?
Lel
>>2879243
>Our goal is to counter Russian aggression
>Russia bears full responsibility for all provocations and casualties
>I emphasized the necessity to refrain from any escalatory steps, as well as to end any support for Russia's war against Ukraine
>>2879257
>the attack on an Iranian ship was unintentional
>there must be restitution for losses
Doesn't sound like an apology or both sides fully backing down, but doesn't sound like fullblown escalation either. Makes me wonder what was actually said, and what was discussed at the White House.

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/2081343198836707468

[🇨🇳🇪🇺 EU imposed sanctions on 14 Chinese & Hong Kong firms over the trade with 🇷🇺Russia 👉 in response, China blacklisted 14 EU companies & institutions

I‼️ the answer came within 24 hours — TOTAL BAN on exporting Chinese-origin dual-use goods, tech & rare earth materials

>The ban creates major supply chain problems that directly slow down production and delivery of weapons, vehicles & tech for Ukraine🇺🇦
Targeted firms:
🇩🇪 Rheinmetall AG (Major defense conglomerate);
🇩🇪 Sindlhauser Materials GmbH (High-tech manufacturing supplier);
🇩🇪 Antraco Chemie-Handelsgesellschaft mbH (Chemical trade company);
🇫🇷 Cavok UAS (Aviation tech company focused on UAVs);
🇫🇷 InPACT S.A. (Manufacturer of high-purity indium phosphide semiconductor wafers);
🇫🇷 III-V Lab (Industrial research organization);
🇮🇹 Lafert S.p.A. / Lafert Group (Manufacturer of industrial electric motors);
🇮🇹 Garnet S.r.l. (Automation components distributor);
🇵🇱 Vigo Photonics S.A. (High-tech manufacturer of advanced infrared detectors);
🇵🇱 Wrocław University of Science & Technology (its academic research infrastructure feeds dual-use technologies directly into EU military & aerospace defense production lines);
🇨🇿 Tatra Trucks (Automotive heavy manufacturer specialized in military-grade trucks);
🇳🇱 Royal IHC (Maritime engineering & shipbuilding company);
🇧🇬 Opticoelectron Group AD (High-tech manufacturer for defense industry);
🇱🇹 Ekspla UAB (High-tech manufacturer specialized in laser systems & industrial optical components)

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/establishment-gloats-over-ukraines

>The current geopolitical cue revolves around Ukraine’s putative pivot from strikes on Russia’s refineries to an all-out war against “Russia’s Amazon”:

<After months of escalating attacks on oil depots and refineries, it has abruptly shifted targets, turning its sights to something more unexpected: warehouses and depots belonging to Wildberries, a Russian retail giant often described as the country’s equivalent of Amazon.

>But the biggest bombshell is what they now openly admit to.

>The above Telegraph piece veritably gloats over the fact that these strikes are having a major effect on Russia’s civilian population and its perception of the conflict.

<But the strikes have another effect.

<Robert Brovdi, Ukraine’s drone chief, said the strikes were aimed at destroying the “illusion of a comfortable, well-fed peacetime life enjoyed by the obedient biomass of an aggressor country”.

<The damage is impossible to hide.

<They show that Russia is vulnerable.

>After only briefly and passingly mentioning that some “radios and military gear” are available on the Wildberries site, the authors quickly abandon that line of justification in favor of obsessively cataloguing the civilian toll the strikes are exacting:

<Encompassing almost 80 million active customers and some one million sellers, Wildberries accounts for 52 per cent of Russia’s e-commerce market – a market which is booming, having grown 28 per cent last year.

<The destruction of its warehouses has sent a shock wave through the small businesses selling goods through the site. Hundreds of people have posted videos online complaining that they had lost large inventories of goods and would not receive compensation from the company.

>So, it’s not the “military radios” they really care about, it’s the “shock waves” sent through small businesses the article authors are salivating over in the hopes that it will result in mass unrest against Putin.

"The obedient biomass of an aggressor country" holy shit

>>2879243
but ziggas told me ww3 started

>>2879263
so can russia

>>2879433
you are polish

>>2879425
>but ziggas told me ww3 started
Started a long time ago anon.
>>2879412
>the obedient biomass
Christ. Love Ukies complete inability to hide their fascist nonsense.

>>2879443
yeah

>>2879466
🤢

Is this the stock market? Because it seems thrillpill has become invested.

>>2879243
Cuckran and Cuckraine battling with eachother who is the bigger cuck in the free market place of ideas (It's Zizterland)

>>2879601
Why Switzerland?

I'm dead

Laura loomer ordered Jared kushner to visit Ukraine and spoke to Trump

>>2879602
It's the great motherland of the Zizters of course! The place where anti-imperialist dreams come true. Where you can be best friends with Zionism and still be called communist-aligning.

>>2879604
wow, a zionists whitewashing nazism? who would thought.
after all, it's a fucking zionist, israeli-ukrainian, billionaire Ihor Kolomoiskyi who financed azov.

>>2879597
strangely invested for a non-invested individual, mind you.

>At a meeting with naval sailors, Putin effectively gave the green light to Ukraine's western neighbors:

>What in Ukraine previously belonged to Poland, Hungary, and Romania will sooner or later return to its historical places.

Poland already replied:
<REEEE WHO SAYS WE WANT UKRAINE REEEEE
<REEE WHO SAYS THAT WE NO OTHER POLES IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT OTHER, WE WON'T MAKE SURE OF THAT WINK WINK
stupid thing to say, tbh. specially that it wasn't that what Putin said.

Noteworthy: Yeah, Stalin was too soft. the 'monster' liberals try to paint, was, in fact, and besides for not erasing the Aart. 17 of the USSR constitution a stubborn softie.

>>2879618
*
<REEE WHO SAYS THAT WE NO OTHER POLES IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT OTHER, WE WON'T MAKE SURE OF THAT WINK WINK WON'T EVER WANT UKRAINIAN LAND WE, we don't know about other poles WINK WINK

>Rinat Akhmetov's Yuzhny Mining and Processing Plant, one of Ukraine's largest iron ore producers, is partially suspending operations due to Russian attacks on ships and ports, according to a statement.

>The company reported that at least 12 vessels were hit by Russian missile strikes in July, complicating maritime logistics.

last time the Yuzhny Mining and Processing Plant was partially shutdown was between July 1 2022 to November 7, though it never produced over 13.4% of the volume in 2021.

>>2879621
picrels.

>>2879604
>>2879606
>>2879610
by the way a ukrainian journo (Diana Panchenko https://t.me/panchenkodi) is accusing that the visit was financed by DTEK billionaire oligarch, Muslim Rinat Akhmetov.

>The freaky journalist who called ( Vladimir ) Zelensky a drug addict and now gives him complimentary interviews was brought to Ukraine and paid for by Ukrainian oligarch Akhmetov. She received $3 million. Besides Zelensky, Loomer promotes Akhmetov's company DTEK and (Arseniy) Yatsenyuk.
https://t.me/panchenkodi/5276

sanctions-free moneeeey babeeee

>>2879617
Called it, lmao.

>>2879628
at some point the discussion will be about
>please, leave us some land

Prozorov made a whole long post about ukrainian public grammar. how their are being alienated about how they communicate, the use of their own language, trying to not using Russian, but in attempting to use ukrainian, they mix-up the languages:
As someone interested in linguistics, studying Russian, it's also interesting:
<A picture from the so-called "cardboard Maidan" caught my eye.

>Well, the fact that young people are there is not surprising. In all color revolutions, they are the easiest to stir up, since youthful maximalism and lack of critical thinking provide very fertile ground for protest sentiments.

>The fact that cardboard and simple markers are used to write posters is also not particularly surprising. There was little time, they prepared hastily.

>But I was shocked by the total illiteracy of what was written:

>In the first poster you can see "Вирніть Федорова" (Bring back Fedorov). What is “Вирніть”? How is that? They're trying to say “return, bring back.” If it's written in Ukrainian, then you need to use the word “поверніть”. Well, or “верніть” (with an "e" as the second letter, not "и"), as a last resort. But in no way it is “вирніть”.

>Next. Fedor (in Russian) – in Ukrainian will be “Fedir”, or if you use a sound close to Russian with Ukrainian grammar - “Fyodor”. Accordingly, “Fedorov” (Russian version) is “Fyodorov” or “Fediriv” in Ukrainian. Not Fedorov at all.

>The other poster also has mistakes, which come from mixing up Russian and Ukrainian grammar.

>All in all, illiterately written slogans. And illiterate youth.

>Once again, the local residents should think about it: is your native language really Ukrainian? Maybe you still communicate and think in Russian in everyday life? And you just pretend in public, imposing someone else’s language on yourself and your children?

yes, 'maidan cardboard' protests for fedorov are still happening.

>>2879629
Indeed. Despite this conflict being entirely about Ukraine rejecting diplomacy, I’ve no doubt the narrative becomes any amount of territory lost is fine because they’ll regain it post-war via diplomatic means.

Whereas the reality is that Ukraine will shrink to whatever size necessary for the remaining population to speak Ukrainian and wear the shirt with that particular traditional collar of their own volition rather than at gunpoint. Not necessarily because Russia/Poland/Romania/Hungary takes it all militarily, but just what’s the motivation to keep struggling with Ukrainian nationalism when actual Ukrainians have lost the power to enforce it on non-Ukrainians and it’s not a ticket to EU membership either?

>Ukrainians are starting to stock up on diesel fuel en masse, fearing a possible shortage and price increase, as experts warn.
Strana.

soon: Russian government is going to size Telegram.
Durov is under the FSB most wanted list, for failing to act against ukrainian intelligence recruiting tools.

It seems that the post-Soviet Ukrainian project only lasted as long as it did because there was a false pretence that you can join the EU without joining NATO. Understandably for millions of Russian speakers and other non-Ukrainian speakers, that means access to a better economy and a solution to their corruption issues while not having to cut themselves off from whatever family or economic interests they have with Russia.
The Civil War broke out because that pretence was proven false, people rose up to push their EU membership agenda but instead they received guns and a promise of NATO membership if they rid themselves of problematic Russian speakers.

Now maybe people are sticking with it because they presume NATO membership also means EU membership, or maybe they just don’t have a choice, but once the fighting is over and NATO membership still isn’t granted and neither is EU membership fast tracked for their trouble, literally what purpose would one have to keep half-heartedly learning a language they’ve no reason to speak and keep accepting the Ukrainian flag with all the corruption, self-harm and exploitation it represented pre-war but now many times more so?

Strana:

>Following former Defense Minister Fedorov's protest against Zelenskyy's dismissal and calls from his support group for the resignation of Ukrainian Armed Forces Commander-in-Chief Syrsky, a counter-campaign against Fedorov himself has begun on social media.

>Blogger Ekaterina Zolotareva claims that Fedorov
was linked to the interests of drone manufacturer Skyfall and its director, Oleksandr Konotopsky, and lobbied for its products while serving as Defense Minister.

>According to Zolotareva, it was under Fedorov that the company received major multi-billion dollar government contracts, and new criteria for evaluating manufacturers were developed to benefit them. She also linked Fedorov to several well-known Ukrainian volunteers and bloggers who, she claims, promoted Skyfall products (in particular, Fedorov's advisor, Sternenko) and supported the candidacy of Mykhailo Drapatiy for the post of Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

>According to Zolotareva, the current "cardboard Maidan" is sponsored by Konotopsky and Kolomoisky.

>She also accused Fedorov of orchestrating a campaign against a major drone and missile manufacturer, FirePoint.

>Furthermore, Zolotareva claims that Fedorov has failed to fulfill key promises related to military reform. According to her, these include new contracts, terms of service, pay for service members, and resolving mobilization issues. "The fact that Mikhail is doing the wrong thing and will soon be removed because of this became known two or three months ago. He knew, but did nothing," she wrote.

>Bankova (also) strikes back at Fedorov: public groups close to the company are publishing articles claiming that products from Ajax, a security systems company owned by Kyiv businessman Konotopsky, who is linked to the former Defense Minister, are still being sold in Russia.

>The articles claim that Ajax Systems announced its withdrawal from the Russian market as early as March 2, 2022, but not for long. Today, Ajax Systems equipment (professional security and building automation systems) is sold from Moscow to Novosibirsk, and is shipped from Kazakhstan.

>Meanwhile, Russians still receive a wide range of services from Ajax Systems: server sessions, status synchronization, alarm transmission to the control panel, and push notifications.

>Ajax Systems was founded by Alexander Konotopsky. He initially served as CEO and later became Chairman of the Supervisory Board. Konotopsky, who also owns drone manufacturing companies, repeatedly participated in Ministry of Digital Development projects when Fedorov headed it. Opponents of the former defense minister claim that he lobbied for Konotopsky's companies during defense budget allocations.

>Earlier today, media outlets supporting Fedorov reported that he was fired for preventing FirePoint, a company close to Zelenskyy, from using 80% of the defense budget for the production of long-range drones.


aget Z is, indirectly, accusing agent F of being an agent R.

>>2879637
>he was corrupt you know!
Hmm, surely the Ukrainian populace by now knows that could be said about anyone in the Ukrainian government. There’s this dance around claiming corruption in Ukraine is overblown and it’s Russian propaganda to complain about it, along with also knowing that accusing someone of corruption is the best chance at turning public opinion against them.

I mean Kiev has had so much fucking cake at this point, and they’ve eaten every goddamn slice too.

>As a result of Russian advances in the Slovyansk direction over the last week, and the fall of the last remaining Ukrainian positions in Chasiv Yar, Russia has officially established full control over the Bakhmut District of Donetsk Oblast.

>As of now, Russia fully controls 5 out of 8 administrative Districts of Donetsk Oblast, including the Mariupol, Kalmiuske, Horlivka, Donetsk, and now Bakhmut Districts.

>The remaining 3 districts of Donetsk Oblast are contested. Ukraine controls approximately 70% of the Kramatorsk District, 25% of the Pokrovsk District, and 4% of the Volnovakha District.
AMK maps.

>>2879638
>Hmm, surely the Ukrainian populace by now knows that could be said about anyone in the Ukrainian government … along with also knowing that accusing someone of corruption is the best chance at turning public opinion against them.
Normal Eastern European thing, they think everyone in power is a useless corrupt idiot, and also everyone knows that everyone in power is a useless corrupt idiot. They also voted for Zelensky because "funnyman shot members of parliament." This co-exists with believing their favorite meathead general will magically skin all the moskals alive.

>>2879636
>keep half-heartedly learning a language they’ve no reason to speak and keep accepting the Ukrainian flag with all the corruption
I don't know if they are going to experience an accelerated glottocide, faster even, than in the baltics, for example. but it's interesting to see what's going to happen, and the lengths the nationalists of today and tomorrow, and the liberals of tomorrow, will go to defend the processes that the language will suffer.
the latter will probably ignore the issue, as they are doing now with loomer posing so candidly with zelya.

>After over 840 days of intense fighting, one of the longest and most important battles of the war in Ukraine has come to an end.

>Chasov Yar has officially fallen to Russian forces, with the last Ukrainian holdouts withdrawing from the southwestern part of the city sometime in the last week. Battles for Chasov Yar began on April 4, 2024, with a Russian mechanised assault with BMPs into the easternmost houses of the Kanal Microdistrict.

>The city has been erased from the face of the earth, suffering destruction at a higher rate than even Bakhmut (where fighting lasted for just 8 months, in comparison).

>This withdrawal took place due to the collapse of Ukrainian defences in Kostyantynivka, which made defending this salient untenable. The fall of Kostyantynivka would have allowed Russia to cut the Ukrainians off. Withdrawals from neighbouring Mykolaivka, Chervone, and Podilske will likely take place in the near future.

AMK maps.

>>2879618
>Cucktin again blaming the ebil Bolsheviks for his own failures
<REEE WHY DID THE SOVIETS GIVE MORE LAND TO UKRAINE AHHHHH
Yeah well maybe if you stayed communist Ukraine would still be an ally. Cry harder about it loser. Both Lenin and Stalin recaptured Ukraine within a year of fighting while you're stuck in middle-of-nowhere Donbas for the 4th year in a row. Maybe Tsars and Liberals and Nationalists are retarded? Ever thnk about that? Well congratulations here's your Holy pure right-wing anti-communist Russia choking to death. Khrushchev is constantly called a traitor by Russian MLs but can you imagine how he would have reacted if the West was bombing retail outlets like Wildberries right after WW2? The world would have already been turned to ash because he wouldn't have tolerated that shit. It's all Cucktin's fault.

>>2879659
note: the city proper was captured months ago.
as it is, the complete place, and its outskirts are now under Russian control.
>>2879662
he's not blaming Stalin. he's capturing what it's an historical appreciation of what Stalin thought was a good-intended idea, that wasn't fool-proof.
and yeah, one of the biggest mistakes of the USSR was that they genuinely believed that the world would follow a global workers revolution after then, if you read the USSR constitution in its article 17, for example.

Reminder that this novorossia bullshit is litterally great russian chauvinism, something stalin and lenin fought extremely hard against

>>2879662
Rambling off a lot of bollocks there. Putin is just covering for Yeltsin because it’s ultimately his fault and his counter-revolutionary peers in other former Soviet states for choosing to divide up the USSR by its own internal borders for reasons of expediency.

The tussle over Crimea (among many other territorial disputes) is neither the fault of Lenin nor Khrushchev, but the opportunism of Yeltsin and whomever the fuck was the leader of Ukraine at the time when they realised that a more “correct” division of the USSR according to their nationalist desires would have involved negotiations that will have lasted far longer than the crisis they were exploiting, if they ever got resolved at all.

They went for the internal Soviet Borders that were arbitrary from the perspective of ethno-nationalists to do the division, then pikachu faced at all the territorial disputes that cropped up when turning their new countries into ethno-states.

But of course Putin isn’t going to go there.

>great russian chauvinism
>Novorossiya
>Stalin and Lenin said that!
>trust me bro!
watch out, new script deployed in communists forums, imageboards, and online places.

>>2879669
It’s a shame for Lindsay’s family that his limbs weren’t as committed to his torso, because his funeral was closed casket it seems

>>2879669
juicy target

>>2879673
I wonder if the rescue team recognized his body for the ladybugs or how else.

>>2879677
That’s probably all that’s in the coffin, the few ladybugs that were found on the walls

>>2879672
kremlinbot projection

>>2879691
you are free to bring in where Stalin and Lenin explicitly called specifically Novorossiya a great Russian chauvinism.
I am going to give you a tip:
don't waste your time, such a thing doesn't exist.

>>2879609
congratulations your joke is the most pointless nonsense in a thread full of sour grapes and dying on every hill possible

>>2879793
Poles being experts on sour grapes of course

>>2879692
Lenin literally supported Ukrainian independence wtf are you smoking trying to gaslight others into thinking otherwise? And like Putin just pointed out in the video you so kindly posted earlier, Stalin even added on to Ukrainian territory and supposedly carved it out of the Russian SFSR.

"Novorossiya" is the project of the annexation of eastern Ukraine back to Russia. That's why Donbas residents were given Russian passports and not "New Ukraine" passports.
https://carnegie.ru/commentary/85210

It's because the current Russian government doesn't intend to reconstitute them as an independent Ukrainian nation again like how the Bolsheviks handled things. And ultimately that's why they're going to lose the war just like how the Soviets lost Afghanistan or how the Americans are going to lose against Iran. People in Ukraine were sympathetic to the Soviets because they were building a new society. Modern Russia offers nothing other than subjugation and fealty to the new Tsar, who is currently Putin. It's repulsive to them just like how a true Iranian would never consider bowing to Trump.

>>2879863
(me)
Like I want you to all seriously consider this, Ziggers: all your squealing and complaining is about how Ukraine won't just give up, throw their weapons away, and kneel to the Russian government. Imagine it was you instead and instead of kneeling to the Russian government it was the American government and the Americans demanding you bow to Trump. Would you agree? You are an absolute cuck if you say yes, but that is the same "logic" you want to apply to the Ukrainians. You don't have to be some dipshit ukrop nationalist waving around SS flags to be able to understand the futility of this.

>>2879873
The flaw in that “thought experiment” is that busification is a thing as is EU nations trying to deport draft-eligible people back to Ukraine specifically to fight the conflict they’re refugees of.

The Braveheart larp depends on Ukraine being professional, volunteer military and it just isn’t.

Like you know you’re being a cheeky cunt in conflating “Ukraine” with “Ukrainians”. Yes the people currently buying Bentleys with their givas will never surrender! But they’re having to kidnap people wholesale and break human rights conventions to make “never surrender!” a possibility.

>>2879669
Larry Looney is so fucking ugly it’s quite remarkable

>>2879863
>no quote of Lenin and Stalin talking about Novorossiya
I concede your defeat. thank you for playing, kthxbye.

Lenin wanted the "independence" inside the framework of the USSR, same with Stalin, fyi

>>2879873
>all your squealing and complaining
three or two threads ago I was accused of lmaoing about ukrainian suffering too much, btw.
>hurr durr press ctrl+f search lmao and you'll see farcoid having a blast.

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>>2880093
I lmao'd at the request we ctrl+f ourselves, to make the point that in the haystack of NAFOids pretending to kek on behalf of Ukraine, you can find a few needles of us enjoying ourselves at Ukraine's expense.

Missing the forest for the trees, that's the issue with these tryhards.

Ctrl+F Me? No no, Ctrl+F you pal.

We sent criminals to Australia to suffer the fate of skin cancer, now we're doing it to ourselves while screaming Slava Urini!

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20260729-russia-issues-international-wanted-notice-against-telegram-founder-pavel-durov-for-aiding-terrorism

Russia issues international wanted notice against Telegram founder Pavel Durov for aiding terrorism

<Moscow on Wednesday said it had issued an international wanted notice for Russian-born Telegram CEO Pavel Durov for "complicity in terrorism". Russian security services accused Durov of failing to remove "channels, chats and bots" on the popular messaging platform allegedly used by Ukraine to recruit people for deadly sabotage operations across Russia. 

>>2879873
Ukraine should have surrendered years ago

>>2879873
>I want you to all seriously consider this, Ziggers: all your squealing and complaining is about how Ukraine won't just give up, throw their weapons away, and kneel to the Russian government.
they only got those weapons by kneeling to the American government, and they didn't even kneel to the American government willingly, that took a coup by the CIA and CIA-backed right wing death squads in 2014. Do you have amnesia or are you willfully ignorant?

>>2880207
He lives in Dubai anyway.
If Russia was serious about "ending terrorism" they'd take the gloves off this half-assed war.
Cucktin remains an optics cuck and wants him and his buddies to continue owning properties in the elite parts of Europe after the war's end is negotiated with Zion Don.

>>2880207
There used to be a lot more sympathy towards Russia among hackers, crypto, open-source people in reaction to NSA revelations. Edward Snowden went into exile in Russia. Julian Assange hosted a show on RT. That was a long time ago.

>>2880208
they tried

>>2880251
>Edward Snowden went into exile in Russia.
Not really, he ended up there due to circumstance and that they would keep him.

>>2879793
it made you reply, tho.

>>2880098
I also laughed at. I guess that anon doesn't read the posts, only to the end of the final line. lmao.

>The Ukrainian Armed Forces have lost an F-16 fighter jet, the Air Force reports.

>"The pilot was on a combat mission to intercept enemy air targets in one of the areas of the front. According to preliminary reports, an emergency occurred on board the aircraft, and the pilot was forced to eject," the statement reads.

>Experts and law enforcement are also working at the crash site, and no civilian casualties or damage have been reported.

I do wonder, how many of these are left in ukraine.

>>2880278
I can only guess that there's more ghosts than planes at this point

>>2880251
Didn't the telegram guy get picked up by French authorities a few years ago?

Putin only cares about the maintenance of his own power rather than winning the war. If the kleptocrats in Russia had an actual belief in something they would take risks to achieve it rather than sitting on their laurels and pretending that a depopulated shithole is a worthy prize for 5+ years of war. It's why this entire war is one incompetent blunder after another, both sides are corrupt and useless. It's like those 15th-18th century 20 year long forever wars that would end in minor border adjustments. Both sides were led by incompetent nobles who only gave a shit about being powerful and playing with toy soldiers than winning an actual conflict. We really are in the long decay period of capitalism, similiar to how those centuries were the long decay of feudalism. This shit fucking sucks man.

>>2880321
If Putin just cared about his own power then why go to all this trouble when he could have just cucked out to nato 20 years ago and delivered Russia to them on a platter

>>2880322
Because he would have been disposed of and Russia balkanized. He tried to cuck out early in his presidency but the Germans made it clear that Russia was never going to be allowed into the EU or NATO as a whole country. From then on it was just a cavalcade of Putin's attempts to find a solution for him to preserve his power and be friendly with the west. But the west doesn't want friends it wants slaves. Thats what the morons who dissolved the USSR didn't understand when they only saw grocery stores rather than bombs. Now Putin has accepted the reality as it is, that Russia will never be allowed "in" so he is merely concerned with remaining in power. It's why he doesn't want to mobilize because he knows that the last time Russia had a revolution is when they mobilized for a massive war that turned to shit, he is too risk-averse for that sort of thing so the current slog is what he choses instead.

>>2880328
If Putin is that pragmatic and fat sighted then how does it serve his purposes of remaining in power by committing to some kind of nonending forever war where he's actively targeted to be killed and the exact kind of instability you say he's trying to avoid becomes a real possibility as nato attacks Russia and its people

>>2880331
This is what I'm thinking, if anything Putin is building conditions for a socialist revolution with the actions he is taking

>>2880331
I didn't claim Putin was "far-sighted" or "pragmatic", I did however claim he was incompetent. He isn't so stupid as to not realize that mobilizing against Ukraine would be a huge risk factor that might upset his political position, it doesn't take a genius to see that. He is stupid enough however to go off half-cocked in a botched coup attempt that ends up starting a massive war, all because he didn't want to go all-in and preferred to negotiate while his troops were outside the gates of Kiev. If he was actually competent he would have intervened in 2008 during Euromaiden or earlier during the Orange Revolution in 2004. But no he was a fool whose indecision led to a large neighbor sliping into enemy hands.

Day 35 of 40 day long forcing Russia to peace special military operation

How close is Russia to surrendering?

>>2880338
>Putin is building conditions for a socialist revolution with the actions he is taking
The zizter cope is real lmao

>>2880295
You don't understand! Durov bending over backwards for France was to fight terrorism, while Russian demands for Durov to also ban anti-Russian terrorist tg channels was merely a ploy to make telegram not free!

>>2880437
Ukraine is reaching levels of WINNING we can't even imagine

>>2880437
pootler will be overthrown next week by Russian citizens. they are ready for western democracy.

>>2880437
the best achievement of that 40 days long forcing Russia to peace special military operation it's that zelya managed to put a nazi and a zionist together in one picture.

>>2880513
Wrong! They are a very special, kosher kind of a Nazi, a Nazi that only hates his own race!

>>2879873
>>2879863
kek, nafoid cope is quite tasty

>>2879863
>Lenin literally supported Ukrainian independence
First thing right after supporting Ukrainian independence, and Ukrainians getting it, was signing an economic treaty with Ukraine unifying their economies, and second thing was a treaty unifying militaries. Lenin's independence for Ukraine was for Ukraine to be a part of a new union of republics as a full rightful inpedendent member and not a territory or a colony.

>>2880338
>If anything Putin is building conditions for a socialist revolution with the actions he is taking
Was that before or after he recently banned the re-nationalization of property privatized during the 90s and perestroika?

>>2880449
>>2880541
Think you are misreading, I'm saying Putin's incompetence is building the conditions that will lead to a socialist revolution

>>2880460
thats it! This video totally means Russia isnt bogged down having its oil production blasted and Ukraine is collapsing any moment now!

>Boeing refuses to license Ukraine to produce Patriot missile seekers, making production of these missiles impossible for now, Die Welt journalist Christoph Wanner stated.
Patriot status?
unpatriotic.

>Zelensky in an interview with Fox News:

>I could never understand why Ukraine isn't involved, not invited to NATO. We really want to be in NATO. For us, it's also a security guarantee.

LMAO

https://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2026/07/28/mafia-trying-to-buy-drones-like-those-used-in-ukraine-war-palermo_b877dcff-a11a-4f59-a33d-b93b77a6182d.html
>The Italian mafia is trying to buy drone ammunition used by Ukraine.
<(Palermo Prosecutor.):

>"For example, those that have emerged on the black market during the Russia-Ukraine war.
>"We have indications of purchases of drone-launched munitions—weapons against which we are unprepared to defend ourselves.
>"So there is an attempt to rebuild a high-quality arsenal.
>"This is true both in the Palermo district and in other areas".
can you imagine, the 'drona nostra'? well, mexican cartels are already using drones, ukrainian style.

>The Berliner Zeitung newspaper previously reported that weapons supplied to Ukraine, if not properly controlled, could flood the European black market
>>2880550
Article:
>Ukrainian officials said intelligence provided by the US and France had helped map Russian air-defence deployments and identify routes that allowed drones to evade them and reach targets deep inside Russia.
https://archive.is/hSAES#selection-1935.0-1935.206
original ft:
https://www.ft.com/content/5ca782bd-5c4a-45f8-9a7a-5793d800321d?syn-25a6b1a6=1

>Ukraine's Sanctions Policy Commissioner, Vladislav Vlasyuk (picrel), stated that Kiev is entirely dependent on foreign supplies of missiles for anti-aircraft systems capable of shooting down high-speed aerial targets.

>According to him, interceptor drones are effective against Shahed drones, but their capabilities are no longer sufficient for targets traveling at speeds exceeding 500 km/h. For example, the Russian Banderol missile flies at approximately 550 km/h, so its destruction requires anti-aircraft missile systems, for which Ukraine does not produce ammunition.

HO-HO-HO-HO
lol
LMAO

>In the Nikolaev region, farmers who cultivate less than 1,000 hectares of land have been stripped of their special status.

>Now they, along with their workers, may be mobilized, which will lead to the closure of agricultural enterprises.
Peasants, your sacrifice is a risk zelya is willing to take.
this was, by the way, as reported by strana, promoted by picrel cunt, south-korean descendant 'Asiatic horde', ukrainian-born, vitaly kim.

>A large number of people have gathered in the Kyev metro for the night following Zelenskyy's statement regarding a possible strike tonight.

>Some stations are already out of available space.

Strana also reported:
>Reports circulating online indicate that, during the night in Kyev, people were denied entry to a metro station because an air raid alert had not yet been issued—even though information regarding an imminent attack was already available.

>A security guard stated he had orders not to let people in until an alert was announced. Consequently, people waited outside for an hour and a half, and explosions rang out immediately after the alert was finally declared.

>It is worth noting that, currently, people are admitted to the metro either before it closes (around 10:30 PM) or once an air raid alert is in effect. This occurred despite the fact that authorities—including the president—had announced earlier that evening that a massive attack was expected overnight.

>The flight time for ballistic missiles targeting Kyev is just a few minutes. There have been instances where ballistic missiles struck without an air raid alert being issued.

One of the videos showcases how people were about to just mob-lynching the personnel obstructing the entrance of the metro.

>>2880557
>>2880557
ah, time… how time flies.

>Ukrnafta has raised the price of diesel by one hryvnia per liter and autogas by two hryvnia.

>At OKKO, the price of autogas has gone up by one hryvnia per liter.
hopefully, strana won't stop reporting these.

arestovych chimed in. arestovych doing arestovych thins. it seems he wants to cohort the ukiranian political class, still.

one kh-101 crahed into poland.
AMK maps points out that the official pole government readout of the event is a bit incongruent.

>>2880569
>Ok, so something isn't adding up with the reports by the Polish Defence Ministry about the Russian Kh-101 cruise missile incursion into Polish airspace.

>The Polish Defence Minister states that at 3:29am, one missile came within 5 km of the Polish border, and speculates that because the missile "turned east" away from Poland prior to entering their airspace before suddenly being detected in Polish airspace 11 minutes later (flying west), there there could be a potential "radar shadow" in their defence systems.

>This is not true.

>I've colour-coded the approximate missile flight map with the Polish Defence Minister's statement to make this easier to visualise.

>At 3:29am, the closest missile to the Polish border was detected by Ukrainian radars southeast of the city of Dubno, Riven Oblast, around 150 km from the Polish border. It was not "5 km away" like the defence minister claims.

>For the next 10 minutes, the missile flew another 150 km at a speed of approximately 900 km/h, over the city of Volodymyr in Volyn Oblast. I reported on the missile entering Polish airspace at 3:38:41 am, approximately via the Ukrainian border village of Ustyluh.

>According to the Polish Defence Minister, this missile was detected flying west through Polish airspace a little over one minute after my report, at 3:40am. The missile went out of range of the main Ukrainian radars at around 3:43am. The Polish defence ministry reports that the missile disappeared from Polish radars (after impacting) at 3:46am.

>Flying at 900 km/h, the missile would have flown around 90 km in 6 minutes. The impact site in the Polish village of Targowisko is about 92.5 km from the Ukrainian border, which matches his claim almost perfectly.

>So, what does this mean? There is most likely not a Polish "radar shadow", like the defence minister speculates in his post. Instead, they either detected a false aerial target, or, alternatively, misidentified a Ukrainian fighter jet as a cruise missile. There is currently no way to know what actually happened here.

>But what is known for certain is that there were no missiles near Polish airspace at 3:29am*, and the missile which impacted Poland entered their airspace at around 3:39:00 am.

>Notably, the defence minister indicates he thinks the most likely scenario was that the programmed Kh-101 missile malfunctioned at one of its waypoints. I have no information to confirm or deny this. All I know is what I have said here.
AMK Maps.
Author note: the timestamps on the Telegram screenshot are of my local time zone (New Zealand).
Corrected in a reply: original:
>But what is known for certain is that there were no missiles near Polish airspace at 3:39am

>>2880569
>>2880570
forgot flag.

Also, of course…
various ukranians saddened because it didn't kill any pole.

>>2880571
for whoever wants to see, check:
https://www.facebook.com/lviv1256/posts/pfbid0XrTJQLo7bTq2HkqHqthxTcx8g9wpiMponr6UCYc53NDWAZQVN3KWceg6AUJdgZuBl?locale=uk_UA
source of the facebook group
>Так люблю той Львів, що бракує ми слів (in ukrainian: I love that lviv so much that words fail me)
(though, it's not the only place, as I've check multiple telegram channels)

>>2880578
>>2880571
I find so weird that ukrainians use the 'pshek' slur to talk about poles online, because that's 100% a Russian word to mock the poles' hissed and shushed derived from the extensive use of prze- or przy- sounds.

RUZZIA HAVE WEAPONIZED FLANKING TACTICS HOW IT IS POSSIBLE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BAKHMOOT AND TORETSK CALL OF DUTY TACTICS UNTIL 2099

>>2880591
If this were ww2 with Stalin having any say this shit would have been over since 2024

>>2880554
>Meanwhile, around half of Russian captives who spoke to the U.N. said Ukrainian forces had mistreated them in some way, of whom less than 5% said they had experienced sexual abuse
yeah how could they sexually abuse if they use them for drone strike vids

>>2880571
mentally retarded

>>2880591
>It's quite frustrating to see that Ukraine did not find a solution to that problem
They always had a solution. Shovel more men in the cauldron and hope that Russia caves under the pressure of more ruthless military leadership and superior (more numerous) meatwave tactics.

Ukraine now officially has blocking detachments, proven by Ukrainian journalists

https://texty.org.ua/articles/117979/nykakyx-svoyx-ne-sushchestvuet-zahorodzhuvalni-zahony-yamy-i-derevo-pravdy-vijskovi-svidchat-pro-225-polk/

"All those who run from their positions — deserters — are also enemies!" says Major Oleg Shiryaev, commander of the 225th special assault regiment, instructing his soldiers that they are allowed to shoot. And they're shooting. Journalist Anna Kalyuzhna has published evidence claiming that this so-called "Syrsky regiment" has blocking detachments, as well as stories of torture and severe beatings in its ranks.

>>2880646
This is where 225th regiment keeps soldiers who try to run away

"Tree of Truth"

Results of 225th regiment's BDSM sessions

"We were met by our own forces from the 225th Assault Regiment. We entered their trench. I got in touch with the commander via their radio and asked for passage. He replied: 'Do not let anyone through, open fire with lethal force.' We were ordered to put our weapons on the ground and lie face down in the dirt. Then a fucking FPV drone flew in, and a fucking Iranian Mavik spotted us, and they started hitting us with mortars. We were ordered to disperse into the tree line," the officer recounts.

After the shelling, they were allowed to pass. However, the next group of six people, which was withdrawing from positions, came under fire. This is evidenced by serviceman Taras (name changed), one of those who were in this second group:

"They placed this blocking detachment right in front of us. About 10 guys met us. They fired near our legs and near our ears."

The commander of the 225th Regiment, Oleh Shyriaiev, explained the situation near Huliaipole as follows:

"At the end of 2025, when we entered this direction, the enemy had already crossed the Yanchur River near the settlements of Poltavka and Maliivka, and the 102nd Territorial Defense Brigade was retreating.

Overall, the 102nd Territorial Defense Brigade lost 190 square kilometers of territory. Nine battalions withdrew from their defense areas, and 20 command observation posts (KSPs) were lost. We also remember the disgraceful story about the loss of a KSP in Huliaipole along with classified communication equipment, maps, call signs, and documents. That was one of those 20 KSPs. In addition, 9 company strong points (ROPs), 18 platoon strong points (VOPs), and the rest of the positions were lost.

Personnel losses: 79 servicemen went missing, 30 were wounded, and 781 servicemen voluntarily abandoned their positions, i.e., committed unauthorized abandonment of positions (СЗП). In effect, the entire brigade withdrew from its positions."

>>2880646
lmao

Germany remilitarization and industrialization status?

https://www.reuters.com/business/world-at-work/porsche-cut-another-5000-jobs-2026-07-27/

>trade union agrees to cut 5000 jobs

This is the more civilized, more worker-friendly country compared to Russia?

>>2880757
I don't get what this has to do with trade unions. I mean they could set up a coalition for a general strike and demand action from the government to the issue at hand. However it's pretty much the past few governments that made this inevitable. German industry is in the shitter and can't compete. partly because they failed to modernize and partly because their own retarded and investment capital aligned political class kneecapped them on several occasions. They can't do much now beside demanding some kind of givas, or go for broke for some kind of revolution. removing Mertz and his ilk is the obvious treatment here, everything else is just treating the symptoms.

>>2880757
>This is the more civilized, more worker-friendly country compared to Russia?
isn't it? care to compare the social net those 5000 workers can count on in germany to counterpart in russia?

>>2880799
imagine defending that anglo-infested shithole, merz is literally destroying your oh so beloved "safety net" retard

>>2880569
Feel like you'd see more remnants of the missile and a scorch mark. That looks like a moon crater photoshopped onto a field..

>>2880814
>russia is just as good as developed countries because memewords
what a hill to die on

>>2880646
I am ESL what does that mean

>>2880884
I need to buy some polish remover when I’m next at the shops.

>>2880894 I am too its not an excuse

>>2880649
>>2880646
fun fact. the same things were happening under zalushny.
new cic of ukraine won't be able to change things, because they have a serious problem of man power.

>>2880649
>>2880646
also, it seems to me that this report may as well come out thanks to and because of federov.
after all, the ukrainian government is declaring war in the news cycles as seen above: >>2879637

>>2880894
>>2880922
blocking detachment = that myth about scary NKVD gunning down demoralized soldiers who were running away from German troops

>>2880940 that's a good thing doe

>>2880922
>>2880894
it means the ukrainian army has specific units, etc. specifically tasked to kill whoever retreats. they are trying to use the excuse of 'Russians are disguising as ukrainains' shit. which doesn't make sense if you are a fully functional that invests in real training and encrypted comms.

>>2880942
oh, absolutely GREAT! lmao

>>2880339
>I didn't claim Putin was "far-sighted" or "pragmatic"

If he's not capable of long term planning then how has he stayed in power for almost thirty years. If he's incapable of pragmatism then why would he break from the west regardless of their intentions since it would inevitably mean his rule is threatened

> I did however claim he was incompetent.

If he's incompetent then why is he in power and why does Russia remain undefeated and unbalkanized.

>If he was actually competent he would have intervened in 2008 during Euromaiden or earlier during the Orange Revolution in 2004. But no he was a fool whose indecision led to a large neighbor sliping into enemy hands.

The sort of foresight and ability you're describing here goes beyond realistic competence into the territory of prescience, particularly since you're saying he should have intervened when Russia was at its weakest point, he'd been in power for less than a decade. It sounds like you want Putin to be an isekai hack character that just magically does things and doesn't have to worry about material reality.

>>2880553
Ukraine has no use for them now that the grain corridor is shut

>>2880646
>>2880649
a polish osint posted the same.
https://nitter.net/Thorkill65/status/2082839788713894332
here a compilation of imbecile takes, in the reply section of that x post.

the
>I am in favor.
>This is war, not a scout camp.
should be definitively in the front line.

>>2880996
Some of the stuff I've seen said by people I once used to respect/like about this war has been insane. Like I knew they were liberals but hearing them laugh and mock people for saying "they're kidnapping people off the streets and forcing them to the front line", and respond with talking points like that tweet, they "Ukrainians want to fight for their freedom", etc, like what the hell, do these people really have so little conception of the fact that the Ukrainian politicians and generals are the ones deciding to keep fighting the war and not the ones doing the dying? They really think that people should be dragged off the street and forced to fight? That's worse than slavery.

>>2880996
Poland was a mistake

>>2880339
>>2880987
So, in essence, this convo boils down to:

>You know I support Russia in this war but Putin is being an incompetent retard because [insert reasons]
<WTF HOW COULD YOU NOT LOVE OUR GLORIOUS TSAR? PUTIN IS THE SMARTEST MOST RATIONAL AND CAPABLE PERSON TO HAVE EVER EXISTED

Pro tip for my FSB friends: when someone is already inclined towards supporting Russia against Ukraine, stop antagonizing them by trying to force them to agree with 100% of everything. It's clumsy and stupid. Notice how Americans have multiple arguments for supporting their country that don't revolve around the current president. If a CIA agent on a forum notices that people hate Trump he can still effectively mitigate dissenting views by cosplaying as a Democrat/DSA member instead. Somehow none of you paid shills for Moscow can demonstrate even a tenth of the same subtlety. Notice on mainstream sites like Reddit that the European subs love to hate on Trump but are still resolutely pro-Western and anti-Russian. It's because the western propagandists don't feel the need to fight on every single point and can concede to minor things like Trump/Republican hate if it fulfills their strategic goals (keeping Europe in a state of outrage against Russia and continuing to support Ukraine). Meanwhile here on leftypol our Russian friends will try to bite off your dick if you post mild criticism of Putin, because they are incompetent hacks who aren't even good at their job. Surely supporting Russia in 2026 (lol) is enough of a win as is, but no these retards also have the fervent desire to make everyone glaze Putin as well.

>>2881002
>like what the hell, do these people really have so little conception of the fact that the Ukrainian politicians and generals are the ones deciding to keep fighting the war and not the ones doing the dying?

Pretty much, yeah. It's not their ass in the pan, so they get to ignore the real consequences because Russian man bad. Just say Russian man bad and all their friends clap them on the back for their bravery. Slava Ukraini!

Now I'm wondering though what the liberal psychic backlash will be once the war is over, Putin is still in power, and Ukraine no longer exists. They're already unhinged fascist sympathizers. How much worse is it going to get?

>>2881006
Arguing against someone you made up in your head.

The funny part is that a Soviet blocking detachment rarely shot soldiers for retreating. That's mostly Western propaganda.

Well well well.

Full interview with her: https://youtu.be/Pkz2-cWHPbg

>>2881106
mfw…
well, don't get too excited, she might as well do an arestovych >>2880564. or many arestovychs. cheers for the arestovychs to come.

woke: 3 days to Kyiv
broke: Residents of the Moscow region are being notified of the location of bomb shelters following reports of impending missile strikes on Moscow

how do nazis cope with this

>>2881006
Tbh the correct line is very hard because you can always push an ideological position to extremes. Unconditional support for Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is the only real pro-Russian position. Either you're too far off in the ultranat nutjob land or you're spouting Western propaganda.

>>2880996
>If you flee, you'll die, and so will your family and the nation.
Nationalists are the worst enemies of their own people

>>2881244
Video from 2014, where Ukrainians threatened to capture Moscow in half a year

Ozon also now under attack. This one in Tatarstan missed. The guy vaping while watching the drone come in is very 21st century. Remember the war between Thailand and Cambodia where Thailand was targeting casinos? Targets of warfare in this century are casinos and Chinese toy distribution centers.

British media:
>On July 26, the Russian military launched its first direct missile strike on a US company, The Guardian reports.

>It was a drone manufacturing plant owned by the American company Terminal Autonomy.

The facility was located in the southeastern part of Kiev.

>According to the Ministry of Defense, it produced up to 1,000 UAVs of various types monthly, including the AQ-400 Scethe, AQ-100 Bayonet attack UAVs, and RQ-100 Scout reconnaissance UAVs.

>In Ukraine's Volyn region, a military commissar pulled a truck driver out of the cab while he was moving. The driver, attempting to avoid being drafted, rammed several cars.
no, but you don't understand, the interactions with the tcc are completely normal.

>A Ukrainian Armed Forces major forced a company of soldiers to build himself a country house.

>The accused also used military trucks from his unit. He now faces 12 years in prison.

LMAAAAOOOO

>Four TCC employees in Ternopil pulled a man out of a car in the middle of the road, then grabbed him by the arms and legs and carried him to their van.

>A nearby police officer did not react to the military commissariats' unlawful use of force.
the streetSSnatchers haven't heard that syrsky is gone, they shouldn't be grabbing people like cattle they send to the slaughterhouse now, by the 4 extremities.

>>2881307
>>2881320
I think such "humanizing" sad anecdote are a way for liberals to gloat about their victory

>>2881333
Chuyev was ass broke in 90s, so he started writing memoirs of Molotov to make some money. Before this, fake memoirs - like that of Khruschev, called "Khruschev Remembers" - were a commonplace occurence, written by emigres who couldn't find themselves a job in the West, so they claimed to have snuck out of USSR secret documents and real opinions of Soviet leaders. Suffice it to say, none of such memoir sources ever surfaced anywhere, even though it's an item that collectors would buy without much thinking for a big price

>>2881352
Do you think anyone ever questions themselves on why they wouldn’t accept estimations from Putin/Russia due to obvious bias, but they don’t apply that to Zelensky/Ukraine? Are the conscious of their bias and just enjoy being biased? Or do they have some wild mental gymnastics to convince themselves that Russia is obviously biased but Ukraine literally can’t be?

>>2881355
They believe in wartime necessity to lie through their teeth. They are being disingenious with you when they argue about Ukrainian losses

>>2881355
>>2881365
But yeah, there are crazy people who would quote history (i.e. older propaganda) about Russia always resorting to meat wave tactics, therefore, they would claim, Russian losses are entirely believable.

Lol, lmao even

>>2880757
Yeah, Germany is going into economic disaster. They are paying out of their pocket to provide Ukraine with weaponry while removing productive jobs in favor of military jobs. China is going mog them up into economic irrelevance

Can the SMO be saved?

>>2881386
They have to reduce their industry anyway since both oil and natural gas exploded in price, which is very important for their electricity, so it also grew up in cost
China mogging them was a matter of time anyway, you can't beat a growing manufacturing economy that heavily subzidize their industry until it start making a profit with the will of the market and the typical german fear of inflation, there is a point where the bourgeoisie is gonna have to give some money back to the state or plan an escape route to the USA

>>2881390
>you can't beat a growing manufacturing economy that heavily subzidize their industry until it start making a profit
??? Chinese economy is profitable. Ask a random Chinese person, they'll tell you that being unprofitable is a sin. They learn this in their schools the same way Americans learn in theirs about manspreading and mansplaining

>>2881006
>ignores everything in this thread and argues with literally nobody
kill yourself you imitation of human life

>>2881396
> Americans learn in theirs about manspreading and mansplaining
No we don’t lmao what

>>2881355
It's a money scheme. European nations can make high profits selling weaponry and giving predatory loans and Ukkkranian porky can enjoy being corrupt and getting free money that should be going to the people