/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

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But yeah, has a concern for the release of carbon into the atmosphere been memoryholed for Slava Ukraini?

Iran FM blames Zelenskyy over Caspian sea attack, says incident ‘cannot go unanswered’
Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi has personally accused Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy over an attack on an Iranian merchant vessel in the Caspian Sea, which left a sailor dead, warning that the incident “cannot go unanswered”.

In a post on X, Araghchi described the strike as a “blatant UN Charter violation” carried out “at Israel’s behest to drag Europe into its war”. He noted he had raised the issue directly in phone calls with EU foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, where he “made clear that what the freeloader in Kyiv did CANNOT GO UNANSWERED”.

The warning follows remarks from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who confirmed long-range Ukrainian strikes in the Caspian Sea against vessels used to transport military cargo linked to Iran. Ukrainian intelligence services reported targeting sanctioned cargo ships transporting military equipment between Iran and Russia.

Iran’s Foreign Ministry reported an explosion aboard the commercial vessel on Saturday morning that also wounded another sailor, stating Tehran has remained neutral in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. State television confirmed the Ukrainian charge d’affaires in Tehran was summoned in protest over what Iran termed a “hostile and criminal act”.
https://aje.news/17jfvn?update=4806532

>>2877685
>stating Tehran has remained neutral in the Russia-Ukraine conflict.
And how many North Korean ships have been struck by the Ukrainians? How many times are Pyongyang going to have to teach the world how it works?

>>2877691
They're busy building socialism sorry.

Tbh Iran complaining about being hit by Ukraine is ridiculous. It was Iran that taught Russia how to mass produce drones and made the first drone factories for them. Ukrainians have been dying for years because of Iranian military and technical assistance to Russia. Playing the innocent just doesn't work here.

>>2877706
Probably the most pathetic post you've made, hopefully you'll soon enjoy the technical assistance Russia provided Iran.

>>2877708
How is stating a fact pathetic? By any reasonable standard Ukraine is justified in attacking Iranian ships when Iranian drones have been killing Ukrainians for years already. If anything the only surprising thing about this is that it took Zelensky so damn long to finally respond in the first place.

>>2877710
Technically correct but also stupid and escalatory. This is the logic that will send iskanders into brussels (disavow)

>>2877710
Because the implication is that Russia wouldn't be able to strike Ukraine without Iran's technical assistance.

>By any reasonable standard
I really wouldn't go down that line of reasoning, because Ukraine has gotten away with far more than anyone would reasonably expect them to. Ditto NATO with the technical (or more importantly, legal) assistance they've provided to achieve Ukraine's feats.

>>2877714
>This is the logic that will send iskanders into brussels

Please do 🙏

t. Brussels man

>>2877712
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/25751654.2022.2149077#abstract
>>2877714
Doubt it because Russia's military has been exposed as a paper tiger. Attacking the main European countries will just trigger NATO into the war and give them the excuse they were looking for to kick off WW3.

I implore you thread; Consider the absolute fucking stupidity that must prepend the rumination of how this conflict would go if Ukraine, with its backing from the most technologically advanced and economically developed countries in the world, didn't have to contend with Iran's doctrine of using cheap suicide drones.

>>2877722
>excuse they were looking for to kick off WW3.
Ukraine is the justification for why WW3 needn't happen, that all the death and destruction is mostly contained to Ukraine.

>>2877679
>All over Ukrainian TG
<Is this being memory holed???
>>2877691
Why would they strike ships? They're right nextdoor (Tumangang border crossing).
>>2877715
>Because the implication is that Russia wouldn't be able to strike Ukraine without Iran's technical assistance.
No Champ, he didn't claim that without Iranian assistance they would never have been able to produce drones. He claimed that the Iranian taught them, not that they would have been incapable of learning it themselves.

>>2877722
And what makes you think NATO armies would do better than the Ukie one getting chewed up by drones and longrange airstrikes? Nato, let alone european nato, cant even do sead over iran.

The only reason they likely havent yet is because china frowns on them attacking their esteemed colleagues and class comrades in europe's boug

Nevermind, I see what you meant now (the environmental impact of striking refineries); some have been raising CoNcErn about this. Surprisingly not greenpeace though lol.

>>2877725
>All over Ukrainian TG
Really? I guess I'm just not that invested enough.

>They're right nextdoor (Tumangang border crossing).
I haven't looked at the map to answer this, but, no I don't think Ukraine and North Korea are next door to each other.

>No Champ, he didn't claim that without Iranian assistance they would never have been able to produce drones.
Listen sexpest, the phrases he used was
>Ukrainians have been dying for years because of Iranian military and technical assistance to Russia.
>Iranian drones have been killing Ukrainians for years already.
Why would that be the suggestion if Russia can produce cheap suicide drones them selves?

It's Ukraine's rap:
>I got 99 NATO wunderwaffen, but Iran's cheap suicide drones are also one.
>It's just not fair.

>>2877699
socialism with choson features

>>2877726
>cant even do sead over iran.
They haven't? It seems to me the IRGC has been fighting this with the assumption they were going to get bombed anyway with very little in the way of stopping it. Which is why they've build all these launch bases and factories deep within mountains.
This isn't comparable to say Russia, where most of the infrastructure and military industries are above ground.

>>2877728
No Champ, I mean that North Korea and Russia are next to each other. So any gear can move overland. And anything that is or might have been moved to Vladivostok or Murmansk by ocean freight is too far away to be hit.
>Why would that be the suggestion if Russia can produce cheap suicide drones them selves?
Because someone else did it first, and Moscow learned from Iranians how to do it (better)? It's not that they would have not been able to figure it out on their own, but there was a solution that already existed and they adopted it. These designs were then later modified into the ones seen nowadays.
>>2877731
>Things no one said
Why do you argue like this Champ?

>>2877728
>Why would that be the suggestion if Russia can produce cheap suicide drones them selves?
because it doesn't it produces clones of iranian drones

>>2877723
You're not British and never have been. No real westoid would hang around this thread 24/7 (I literally just dropped in after being gone for a while and somehow you're already replying to me within mere seconds), and be so unceasingly blinkered towards "their side". I support a Russian victory, which looks increasingly unlikely, simply to push back against the EU and NATO but even I can freely confess that Ukraine is fully justified in hitting Iran, since Iran was providing weapons and assistance to Russia from the very start, without even a formal declaration of war, but your handlers are so retarded that they've ordered you to blindly attack anything that could even remotely be considered as "anti-Russian" hence your immediate hysterics. Pro-tip: if you want to convincingly fake being a Westerner stop treating every possible observation from everyone here as a personal attack against yourself or your war position.
>>2877726
I don't know if you've been paying enough attention but Ukraine has been growing more confident and steadily escalating over the past few months (threatening Belarus, now hitting Iranian vessels, and I even just now received confirmation that they've hit relay stations in Belarus), the Americans have decided to maximize pressure (MAGA people like Laura are already putting out the propaganda to ease the switch to a pro-Ukraine position), the EU has rapidly boosted military spending and can even single handedly supply Ukraine when Trump withholds deliveries, and the atmosphere suggests that most country's analysts are beginning to expect a Russian defeat. I even have a pretty reliable source that leaks internal Belarusian government decisions that states that even the Belarusian government thinks that Russia is going to lose and then fall into chaos, and that they'll have to lock down their eastern border to filter through all the incoming Russian refugees.

The real question I have is why the West is so confident that Russia won't just flip the table, tell everyone to fuck off, and nuke something, and unfortunately the only conclusion I think is reasonable is that they must have high ranking traitors or at least sympathizers who want to end the war, positioned in the Russian government (I'd bet anything Medvedev is one of them) who can secretly guarantee that kicking Russia out of Ukraine won't result in a nuclear attack.

>>2877736
>No Champ, I mean that North Korea and Russia are next to each other
So? Iranian ships are supposedly a legit military target for Ukraine because they apparently invented the concept of cheap, disposable weapons being superior to wunderwaffen that they then bestowed upon the Russians. North Korean troops have actually shot and killed Ukrainian troops and yet Ukraine hasn't struck any North Korean ships?

>>2877736
It is what is being said. Ukraine has the cream of NATO's military might and the doctrinal "support" from Iran in teaching them about cheap drones, yet Ukrainon is wondering what things would be like If Russia only had Iskanders, what if Russia never figured out that, fuck I dunno maybe the T-72 would be superior to the Abrams if they could build considerably more of them?

>>2877743
>You're not British and never have been.
Genuinely the best compliment I could receive on leftypol, right?

>>2877744
>North Korean troops have actually shot and killed Ukrainian troops and yet Ukraine hasn't struck any North Korean ships?
what strategic do norks even export to russsia? how much of it is freighted over sea? which sea would that be?
you are a malcontent, there's no argument behind your complaint

>>2877714
>Technically correct but also stupid and escalatory. This is the logic that will send iskanders into brussels (disavow)
If Russia blew up Brussels that might be an improvement (vid related, Brussels-in-winter vibes). But the Western perception right now is that Russia won't do this, because otherwise Europe wouldn't have begun equipping Ukraine with the components for a long-range precision targeting campaign in Russia. Dmitry Medvedev's job was to play a madman but he wasn't a very good actor. The Europeans revised Russia's military threat downward although they upped the threat level of a potential Russian incursion (into Narva, say) upward. Maybe that perception is wrong. Or, maybe if it's going to happen anyways, it's better for it to happen now when Russia is weakened by the war in Ukraine rather than later.

Oh alright lets read the rest of the chimp out
>No real westoid would hang around this thread 24/7
And yet so many do to know what I spend my time doing
>(I literally just dropped in after being gone for a while and somehow you're already replying to me within mere seconds),
I make it my business to keep this thread alive, if for no other reason than to fuck people like you off and I am rather successful at that.
>and be so unceasingly blinkered towards "their side".
Never justifying Russia, just trying to understand what they do or don't do, you know this because you know how much I post here. That's called "selective memory".
>I support a Russian victory, which looks increasingly unlikely
Concern trolling
>but even I can freely confess that Ukraine is fully justified in hitting Iran
Yes because you're always proving how emotionally stable and levelled headed you are about things ITT, that's obviously where this conclusion is coming from, not concern trolling
>since Iran was providing weapons and assistance to Russia from the very start, without even a formal declaration of war
Ironic
>but your handlers are so retarded that they've ordered you to blindly attack anything that could even remotely be considered as "anti-Russian"
Right, you're pro-Russian, but there's no such thing as a Geran since they're all Shaheds from Iran and of course because I won't doom about Russia I'm just a Russian propagandist. Gosh, why *am* I making it so hard for you ITT?
>hence your immediate hysterics.
Ironic, you only come here to throw a shit fit and then disappear for a month, probably cutting yourself while google searching pictures of champagne bottles being shattered. Watching champagne bottles shattering against now-sunk Russian ships before their maiden voyage, that's a conceptual orgasm I gift to you.
>Pro-tip:
Cringe.
>if you want to convincingly fake being a Westerner stop treating every possible observation from everyone here as a personal attack against yourself or your war position.
It's actually quite offensive that "passing as a Westerner" depends on whether someone is muffling out "slama ukbrani" with a mouth full of your cock. If they're not doing that, then they're not western, they can't be! Yeah, well, sorry to shatter the illusion sweetheart.

>>2877750
Well they exported lead into Ukrainian soldiers, if that answers your question?

>>2877744
How would they strike North Korean ships? Where? Where is this Ukrainian blue water navy capable of sailing to the Sea of Japan or East China Sea or the Yellow Sea and releasing drones to attack North Korean ships or freighters traveling to North Korea ports? Alternatively they'd have to launch them (smuggled drones) from Japan, the Philippines, Taiwan or any other state within North Korean missile range. And you know there's the issue of hitting Chinese vessels trading with the DPRK.

>>2877743
>The real question I have is why the West is so confident that Russia won't just flip the table, tell everyone to fuck off, and nuke something
China is the other factor here. Chairman Xi says no to nukes, and without imported Chinese prosthetics then Russia's technological and logistical weaknesses will look a lot more obvious.

>>2877758
>ow would they strike North Korean ships? Where?
Haven't you heard? Brovi's drones can strike anywhere, at least anywhere NATO has allies and I guess North Korea is only surrounded by allied ports.

I'm loving this though, North Korea actually gets involved in Ukraine but their navy is safe, unlike Iran who hasn't gotten involved, because umh the DPRK is far away in the way the fucking Omsk wasn't out of range of FP2 drones or how no one really knows how a Ukrainian Naval drone just showed up on the Grecian coast.

Give me a fucking break lmao

>on the racist message board the FSB regime governing Russia are based nazis defending the huwite race
>on the commie message board the FSB regime governing Russia are based anti-imperialists fighting the nazi unipolar world order
>on twitter the FSB regime governing Russia are ordinary law-abiding democrats fully integrated into the global capitalist framework defending their legitimate sphere of interest against illegal NATO encroachment
>on RT and Sputnik the FSB regime governing Russia are the global bastion against the American nu-left undermining traditional western values
I don't know guys, I'm starting to wonder if the whole hecking based marxist-leninist freedom fighter Putin we believe in here might be… propaganda?

>>2877743
>russia is going to lose

Interesting assertion could you provide evidence?

Theyve improved their medium range strike capabilities but given both sides rely on chinese supply chains att the end of the day I don't see how this means Ukraine wins. Russia's on track to a pyhrric victory that takes the donbas and transdnipro oblasts but thats not something thats going to wreck the russian state (as wonderful as the idea of the cprf performing a special state capture operation would be).

Ukraine's theory of victory seems to be to bleed Russia and make a pigs breakfast out of its logistics but it is far more vulnerable in that regard whilst Rusaia is a much deeper and more resilient target. Even its starlink advantage earlier this year that let it do successful counteroffensives largely evaporated.

>>2877736
If thats the case why is the US spamming desperately rare jassms into iran instead of using gravity and glide bombs? The missile cities are to help prevent a sneaky jassm or tomahawk but they also rely on the air being at least contested against the great satan.

>>2877759
Thus the real question is how china wants this war to end. All sides rely utterly on Chinese supply chains. Thats why UkrSSRanon's claim that Russia is simply going to implode ultimately makes no sense to me - China isnt going to let their northern border turn into a constellation of western-aligned battering rams the way the west turned ukraine into a battering ram against moscow.

Fuck me
>No such thing as Gerans, they're all imported Iranian Shaheds
>China is propping up the Russian war effort
Go three for three gang, where's the mention of Utkin and how that means Bandera being the national hero of Ukraine isn't a problem?

Like okay say tomorrow Ukraine declares they've developed a naval drone that can literally go around the world and they've sunk North Korean civilian ship or something, which of you noflagfags are going to be in here saying
>Oh I just don't know why they'd do that, clearly that's now how North Korean supplies would be getting to Russia!?
bollocks you would, you'd be celebrating another critical blow to NATO's enemies Russia.

>>2877763
The distance to the Mediterranean is a lot less than the distance to the Sea of Japan or the Yellow Sea.
>>2877780
>Like okay say tomorrow Ukraine declares they've developed a naval drone that can literally go around the world and they've sunk North Korean civilian ship or something, which of you noflagfags are going to be in here saying
<Oh I just don't know why they'd do that, clearly that's now how North Korean supplies would be getting to Russia!?
>bollocks you would, you'd be celebrating another critical blow to NATO's enemies Russia.
What the hell are you on about? Are you implying me and a bunch of others would be against this? That we somehow argued that if they were capable of it they wouldn't do it?
The discussion was about why they haven't done it. I offered some explanations. And now you're replying with this schizo diarrhea.

If they were capable of it, I think they'd do it. As seen with the Caspian strike recently.

So who is winning today boys? Hope everyone's having fun, and remember to stay hydrated too.

>>2877775
>Thus the real question is how china wants this war to end. All sides rely utterly on Chinese supply chains.
Yeah idk the answer to that. Iirc China has openly stated the use of nuclear weapons in this conflict is unacceptable.

>Thats why UkrSSRanon's claim that Russia is simply going to implode ultimately makes no sense to me
It's also one of those things you can't really talk about until it happens in any event. You can't say Russia is undergoing a military collapse right now. I think there is a collapse of a bizarre and short-sighted vision of a war that is like some "Special Military Operation" adventure that was foisted on Russia by the Kremlin where the heroes can go fight but people don't really have to pay much attention to it except hearing something about how Ukrainians are confused brothers who were manipulated by Westerners and "Nazi" leaders (never mind that your "brothers" have killed hundreds of thousands of your guys). That is more psychological and ideological.

That might also tie into the dudes playing dudes disguised as other dudes (while greasing up reactionary losers who hate them anyway). That is done on message boards with people playing different characters, but the truth might be that these dudes don't actually know what kind of dudes they are, because they're following a boomer Udmurt with dementia who can't remember if he's Soviet or Russian. There's just something off about the social structure, "contradictory," as we say and there's no long-term plans for anything, it's always reactive, and that makes them bad at war.

AP did a sit down interview with Laura loomer in Ukraine lol

It's the front page article now on the website

https://apnews.com/article/laura-loomer-trump-ukraine-russia-interview-101852f6deab17e1d8d215fdde675ee5

>>2877784
>The distance to the Mediterranean is a lot less than the distance to the Sea of Japan or the Yellow Sea.
So it just sailed through Istanbul, did it?
>Are you implying me and a bunch of others would be against this?
The suggestion was that there wasn't a reason to do so. But thanks for letting us know your neutral ass would be in favour of it anyway lmao

>>2877811
As if ukraine could be any less sympathetic they get this ghoul out cheerleading them

>>2877787
i am i slept all day and went for a nice jog in the evening thanks for asking

>>2877669
Oh man, I had planned the theme for the #293 thread.
I mean, the countdown hasn't ended…
>vidrel oil tanker bound to arrive to Odessa, was struck by a Russian anti-ship missile. the ship is seen turning over, with passerby people exclaiming 'it's turning over'

My fellow anti-revisionist communists, why does the Russian logistics hub market so many transhumanist sex toys?

>>2877996
>>2877996
you look so weird kink-shaming.

>>2877996
It's to help soldier wives on lonely nights while the men are off fighting, duh.

>>2877706
>It was Iran that taught Russia how to mass produce drones
factually wrong. Russians are like in the 5th gen of doritos drones. they even have jet engines now, instead of basic combustion engines.
it's like saying that China is credited for al the winning wars because they invented the gunpowder.

>>2877748
lmao

>>2877766
I sincerely don't understand the obsession with some white ultranationalists around the globe with Russia. Russia has systematically dismantled, unlike ukraine, nazi parties (rnu, rim). ukraine let them participate in elections, their banderite 'public servants' are now advisors, held high rank positions in different ministerial and government offices.
Russia might have a 'rusich', but it's utilization, not integration, like azov or carpathian sich, fully integrated inside the army, under complete state framework: they will collect pensions, state insurance, if there's any state policy (housing, goods, healthcare, etc.) they will be benefitted from it, even before many others, etc.
most nazis, after all, go fight for ukraine and joined by the thousands in structures like nation europa, german volunteer corps or the russian volunteer corps, that ended absorbed into the ukrainian army.
now, it's stupid to say that Putin is ML, lmao. though his analysis are often materialists.
maybe those knobheads believe that Russia should not go back to communism, then push the agenda. or maybe, they are cia paid agents, like boneface once claimed in his (now deleted) youtube account to stir up division and conflict.

>>2878110
Reactionaries engage in feels>reals politics, so they see what they want to see.

>>2878110
>I sincerely don't understand the obsession with some white ultranationalists around the globe with Russia.
Think a lot of those guys are just radical weirdos. I am not so familiar with Europe though, my experience is with American conservatives who are deranged morons who were like billions must die because there was muggafuggin transhumanist Bud Light when Putin was doing his Putin thing and Biden was in office, but they're so empty-headed that any kind of alliance with Russia was always going to be a vibe-based thing in the immediate moment.

>>2878183
Euro chuds largely supported Russia out of spite for the EU and because they saw in Putin’s Russia a more conservative or less ideologically contingent alternative to the EU and the USA since they reasoned that Russia wouldn’t care if their countries were nationalistic or not. Ofc this isn’t uniform as shown by how divisive it was to exclude the Ukrainian Svoboda from the AENM c. 2013.

And obviously much of that russophilia in the European right dissipated by 2022, but it’s still there, just less as idealistic slavish devotion to Moscow and more as anti-Ukrainian pragmatism. Doesn’t help that anti-Ukrainian sentiment has been on the rise in parts of Poland and Czechia due to the Ukrainian refugee crisis, but that goes without saying.

But yh, prior to all that, in Europe it was really just chuds having a parasocial relationship with Russia based on internet memes and spite for shitlibs and woketards despite the fact that Russia is far less conservative than they would like to admit.

As for American chuds? More the latter insofar that parasocial relationship, idolisation of Russia, and anti-liberal spitefulness played big roles in how American chuds perceived Russia in the late 2010s. That has simmered as Trump inheriting Obama’a war and escalating shit there has led to many chuds come out in support of Ukraine as le white western ethno-state against the despotic multiracial Easter anti-west empire of Russia.

Read this slop to see what I mean: https://josrussia.org/white-nationalist-delusions-about-russia/

Yes, the article is written by a kraut, and he does use as a talking point as to why Russia didn’t turn into wignats in the Middle Ages of all things. Quiet a read, but still…

That sentiment existed for some time, it just seems to be amplified now that Trump is at proxy war with Russia and as the alt-right turns into edgier neoconservatism.

a friend of mine is babbling about Putler having supposedly been ousted in a coup. does anyone know anything about this? is it just the usual "Putin is finished!" NATO cope?

>>2878204
Cope, much like the “Russia will collapse” babbling from the DNC shills back in 2022.

Russia killed a Knights Hospitaller in 2026 lmao

https://xcancel.com/RWApodcast/status/2081752634311008698

Russian immigration laws have become stricter, whereas they used to be among some of the most liberal ones in the world.

Granted, I’ve always found news reporting on Russia to be unbalanced in the English language as a lot of it is either made by libs trying to portray it as a hypocritical nazi haven, and by chuds as either Agartha on Earth or some boorish version of the USA.

And RWA podcast has been caught lying more than once, although in this instance it seems his claims are credible. Nonetheless, still take it with a grain of salt as that podcast is English language mainly and caters primarily to a non-Russian chud audience, so there’s that.

But yh, I do wonder if these changes on the immigration laws will have any effect in terms of stopping any new deep strike attack by Ukraine as one of the bombings against a Russian fleet of strategic bombers seemed to be performed within Russian territory, as well as Azeri organized crime which acts as a safe line for weapons smuggling across Ukraine and the Middle East. And keep in mind that Azerbaijan is practically a MATO client state with ambiguous relationships to Russia, but a key partner to Israel.

We’ll see if these laws are actually enforceable considering how Russia has one of the world’s largest borders. Then again, after the economic downturn due to the war immigration to Russia has decreased significantly.