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Why is it that the surviving members of the George W. Bush administration who acted as the architects of the Iraq War have never faced any legal penalties for what they did?

The 2003 US invasion of Iraq was arguably one of the worst human rights atrocities of the past 50 years. Over 1 million Iraqi CIVILIANS were killed. If that's not a low key genocide similar to Gaza I don't know what is. But it's even worse knowing this war was based entirely on a gigantic lie (a "noble lie" if you will) by some of the slimiest, most diabolical villains ever known to American politics. Yes, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell and Donald Rumsfeld are dead and rotting in hell. But George W Bush, Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith are still alive. Neocons Bill Kristol, Robert Kagan and John Bolton who were the top dogs in PNAC (Project for a New American Century), which called for massive military spending and preemptive attacks (also a "New Pearl Harbor" which conveniently happened on 9/11) are also still alive. WHY HAVEN'T ANY OF THEM EVER BEEN CHARGED AS WAR CRIMINALS?????

The Straussian cabal is very real and still holds loads of ideological power within American politics. Many Neocons from the Bush II era have now since become Democrats and publicly supported Kamala Harris over Trump on the basis Trump wasn't Neocon enough. These people have names and addresses and have to face some kind of legal penalties so the world can finally have closure and the Neocon war criminals can finally reap what they sowed.
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>>2909140
> Kristol was also never a member of any explicitly Trot group. He was briefly a member of the Workers Party of Max Schachtman in 1940. Actually these people were part of a small faction in it called the "Shermanites" which was anti-Bolshevik (so therefore anti-Trotskyist) which caused Schactman to kick them out, and very quickly they began publishing a journal (called "Enquiry") that was criticizing Marxism, Leninism, and Trotskyism.

So the Saul-to-Paul conversion story is blatantly fake?

>>2896181
>Being a member of PNAC doesn't automatically make you a war criminal.
It should.


>>2909140
Wasn’t Sidney Hook a trot?

>>2909204
It has been overstated. Kristol has the most claim to being one. But he was pretty young and in college, he wasn't like a prominent leader of the movement. He also wrote an essay in the 1970s called "Memoir of a Trotskyist." Looking at it, he talks about going to school at CUNY in the 1930s and the different left-wing groups there. He liked the debate culture of the time. People would go up and talk for two or three hours. Much of the debates were between the Trotskyists and democratic socialists because the Stalinists didn't debate anyone. He also wrote they had an interest in "highbrow" culture and the arts and they unquestionably accepted the authority of adults which was unlike the 60s left.

>>2909411
I think so and neocons like him but he wasn't part of the core group of proper neocons in the 70s, according to the author.

>>2908499
>”philosophers should puppeteer the masses from behind the curtain guize!”
Totally not a conspiracy.

>>2909138
Protip: moral relativism is what gave us the Gaza Genocide.

>>2909527
wrong, it was capital who gave us the genocide, you are idealist

>>2909138
>obsession with muh Truth
Based
>obsession with what happens when (allegedly) people lose an objective standard of muh Truth and muh Right
Nah it's not alleged, it's real. Capitalism does that to people.
>question of who or what determines what is real or what can be used to judge whether or not something is true or false
Nothing strange here. Officialism is endemic to modern society. If the government does not admit to X, then X did not happen. Also how stupid bullshit like Katyn became real because gorbachev "admitted" to it.
>fear that truth will be substituted for constructed ideology
You see those can be the same thing.
>civilizations have different moral codes must entail that morality and justice don't exist
Or some civilizations are better than others?
>convention bad/nature (what things are in reality) good
Lame appeal to nature fallacy, but go on.
>rejects the idea that human beings can describe reality without making judgements about it, everything must centre around "how should people live?", moral relativists destroy this by severing what a person believes vs. what is actually true
Based
>rejects the idea that human beings are simply malleable objects and there's an objective moral truth in their nature that social institutions do not create (this is the Natural Right stuff)
Humans aren't malleable objects, it's more complex than that. Markov chain of previous experience and so on.

5.5/8 so not bad.

>>2909531
Nah, it was religious and ethnic supremacism. Zionism is an idealistic ideology. Treats don't work on it.

>>2909537
Feel free to take a crack at the original source.

>>2905788
there's no such thing as a zionist or an israeli or jew or a palestinian or a muslim, there are only people and they are empirically undeniably human and they do the things they do for the same reason dogs lick their balls; because they can. if donald trump announced tomorrow that american citizens have the legal right to cross the border into mexico with the full support of the us military and kill the indigenous people and rape their women and steal everything they own and keep the lands they raze as spoils of war, millions of people would load up their guns and put on their maga hats and do exactly that, and it wouldn't be the first time it happened either.

>>2909731
Fanciful way to verbally dance around what he said. Americans aren't genociding Mexico, but Israelis are genociding Palestinians.

>>2909731
“Israelis” aren’t people but subhuman colonizer filth. There are no “innocent” among them.

>>2909751
>>2909774
How evil does someone have to be that killing them is unquestionably justified? And how is that degree of evil determined?

>>2909805
I mean in the example given, what should Mexico do to stop that shit other than brutally slaughter Americans until they stop trying to kill them ? Is it preferable to wait for your turn in the oven ? The IDF is a conscript army, if you were to kill the military en masse they would grab civilians to enlist them.

>>2909538
>capital has nothing to do with the creation of Israel, it was just le bad ideas floating in the air that did it, trust me bro
nice try porky, not falling for your psyop

>>2909875
How does that justify killing *any* Israeli? Unless someone is currently in the military and/or has a weapon in their hands they’re a civilian.

>>2909537
>defending neocon moralism
That ideology is the reason we have so many former Evangelical kids who have loads of religious trauma.

>>2909875
>The IDF is a conscript army, if you were to kill the military en masse they would grab civilians to enlist them.
the "punishment" for not serving is a couple months in a jail cell they don't even have to spend the entire time in.

>>2909805
>How evil does someone have to be that killing them is unquestionably justified? And how is that degree of evil determined?

imo the only rational view on this is that we as individual highly-emotional human beings are not equipped to answer these kinds of tremendous and important questions. that's kind of the whole reason we invented justice systems and courts and judges and juries and lawyers and all the rest of it, because of years and years and years of experience passed down to us about what results when people take the law into their own hands.

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>>2909140
>>2909537
>tfw we got leftists defending Leo Strauss before GTA6

>>2897065
He literally had a groyper cult of his students.

>why didnt hitler arrest mengele

>>2910772
If AOC wins in 2028 she could theoretically hand over GWB, Wolfowitz, Perle, Bolton, and the rest of them to the international courts.

>>2911061
>AOC will totally do the right thing and not sell out immediately
Riiiiiight

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>>2911505
Day 1 of the AOC presidency.

>>2907076
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>>2911505
As someone that remembers the 2000s, let me tell you what's going to happen: None of these people are ever going to be held to account for what they've done. The state can not indict itself. AOC herself is almost certainly a CIA plant just like the rest of the Breadtube "Democratic socialists" that were in vogue back in 2018.
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>>2905154
NGL, I'd rather have the meathead jocks crash USrael with no survivors instead of the second coming of Henry Kissenger.

>>2912092
>None of these people are ever going to be held to account for what they've done. The state can not indict itself.
Explain.

>>2910426
And what did he say that was particularly nefarious?

>>2911635
She’ll probably approve more aid to Israel the day after she assumes office.

>>2912132
NTA but nobody was ever held accountable for the War in Iraq. What makes you think the current generation of crooks will face justice?

Interesting how you can get 50+ years in fed prison for advocating blowing up an ICE detention centre, but those who promoted a full-scale invasion and war of aggression against a sovereign nation get zero prison time.

>>2909140
Are you familiar with Myles Burnyeat's polemic from the mid 80s, Sphinx Without a Secret? His complaint was seeing some Straussians in the Reagan administration (Carnes Lord and Leon Kass, I think? Maybe he had Robert Goldwin in mind too). Before that, the usual take on Straussians from the early 60s to the late 70s was that they were merely perverse scholars who were blinded by their teacher.

Yes, I’m Jewish. I’m proud. I love Trump.
I love MAGA. I love neocons. I love Strauss. I love the Claremont Institute. I hate white people unless they’re good goyim who advance Jewish supremacy. I hate redneck cattle.

>>2913571
Have an easy fast on Monday.

>>2913571
>I hate white people unless they’re good goyim who advance Jewish supremacy. I hate redneck cattle.
If you drew a venn diagram for rednecks and zionists it'd become a circle. Hell they don't even have to be christian they're always on board for killing muslims due to the rampant racism.

Damn, didn’t know Arendt was the psycho ex.

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imo choosing to be a "leftist", i.e. aligning yourself with social justice, doesn't count for very much until you are able to understand and accept the fact that there is no social justice. you have to know exactly what it is you are up against and just how outmatched and outclassed and outnumbered you really are and how much the odds are really against you and, most importantly, know that the universe itself is not on your side or on anyone's side and there is no cosmic order that plays favorites in human affairs, it's entirely in your hands.

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>>2890033
bleak truth nuke

>>2914953
Edgy BS. Evil doesn't rule, good doesn't rule, the world is what we make of it yes but we shouldn't go in with a bias of assuming 'there is no justice'.

BIGGEST REDPILL on PNAC and the neocons:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/mbaAPILY8XmM/

>>2914421
>Accuses ex of being a nazi
>dates an actual nazi heidegger
What did she mean by this

>>2883679
Doc is bullshit.

"Strauss believed that the liberal idea of individual freedom led people to question everything-all values, all moral truths. Instead, people were led by their own selfish desires. And this threatened to tear apart the shared values which held society together. But there was a way to stop this, Strauss believed. It was for politicians to assert powerful and inspiring myths that everyone could believe in. They might not be true, but they were necessary illusions. One of these was religion; the other was the myth of the nation. And in America, that was the idea that the country had a unique destiny to battle the forces of evil throughout the world. This myth was epitomized, Strauss told his students, in his favorite television program: Gunsmoke."

First, Gunsmoke; this is clearly Rosen's recollection from being around Strauss just as often outside of courses and getting to know him personally, and a silly thing to assert. The most Gunsmoke or Perry Mason will ever appear is as a funny example related to whatever text he's going over, certainly never as an example of a "myth of the nation."

Second, "Strauss believed that the liberal idea of individual freedom led people to question everything-all values, all moral truths" is wrong, though the following is partly right ("people were led by their own selfish desires"); Strauss isn't worried about people questioning anything, that's his own m.o.; to the extent he's worried about politics, he's concerned more about license in behavior that leads to both viciousness given a pass and a sensualist hedonism resulting in an unstable political regime or handing over power to tyrants so the orgies can continue.

Third, "But there was a way to stop this, Strauss believed. It was for politicians to assert powerful and inspiring myths that everyone could believe in. They might not be true, but they were necessary illusions. One of these was religion; the other was the myth of the nation." This is actual bullshit, and what's worse is that Curtis can make this look plausible because of Strauss's theses on exoteric writing, which can sound conspiratorial. But he never promotes the Noble Lie, and what's more, he doesn't discuss it anywhere near as much as one would expect based on reputation (if you look at the Plato’s Republic chapter of City and Man, it's more surprising how little is made of it). Additionally, the line on religion is simply wrong, Strauss, who I do think was an atheist, didn't buy that the Moderns had legitimately disproved revelation, he thought they handwaved it, and he was reticent to express anything like a dogmatic position for or against it at all.

In the past 15 years, claims by people like Curtis (and Shadia Drury, who a lot of anti-Strauss people rely on) look even more ridiculous because both levture recordings and transcripts for two dozen full courses have been released, and we're getting his notebooks published, and they don't bear out any of these claims.

>>2920792
>doesn’t name the Jew once

>>2920802
>expecting women to be consistent

>>2883310
Can we convince Caleb to re-upload the “WHERE DID THE NEOCONS COME FROM?” slideshow video on his archive channel?

Holy shit it's back.


Jesus Christ bro, I miss the 2000s.


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