have recently been absolutely swamped by articles such as this on many of my feeds
https://archive.ph/NUCFc#selection-647.0-647.67and really want to know how others here look at data like this and dont completely black pill over it. i feel like there is very little hope that things are getting this bad and we still seem to be determined to make them even worse.
>>2897249when shit hits the fan and we have to fight with spears and shields these lazy fat ass westoids will get BTFOd by our hordes of physical labourers
>>2897317I will fire my water gun at the sun dw
>>2897285>mass influx of refugees have always historically lead to the rise of the right wing reaction under bourgeois governmentsThat's normal, maas migration ends up with a massive unemployed, homeless population that can only end up building a ghetto and make money through crime, it's a self fulfilling prophecy of the "dangerous foreigners", (also it did happen in some places in the world with no border controls, even tho I will be called a reactionary for pointing out that material conditions create crime)
>>2897151Barbaric communism
>>2897175ACP and Patriot front are a bunch of fascist losers and idiots that the majority of people hate. Those groups aren't actually doing shit, stop falling for online psyops and social media filter bubbles, you retard.
The USA will not have a civil war, many of it's people are too fat, old, mentally ill and lazy to do it.
>>2897533>The USA will not have a civil war, many of it's people are too fat, old, mentally ill and lazy to do itThe option to say no has left the board a long while ago
>>2897229Going outside will certianly make you forget about climate colapse
>>2897794>climate collapsetwo more weeks
>>2897533>The USA will not have a civil war, many of it's people are too fat, old, mentally ill and lazy to do it.the collapse of the economy will remove all of those obstacles quicker than you think.
>>2897175>patriot front rallied hundreds of people in a single city!…and that was also pretty much the entirety of their membership. Patriot Front essentially functions like an MLM scheme
Good I want to see the world burn
>really want to know how others here look at data like this and dont completely black pill over it.Depends on where you live (if you don't have too much empathy for the rest of the world). The area of the USA is absolutely massive relative to the population. The book "How to Prepare for Climate Change" by David Pogue was published in 2021, but I believe the basic advice on where to move still holds: to the north and away from the coasts.
Pogue's recs were: Madison, Wisconsin; Ann Arbor, Michigan; Minneapolis, Minnesota; Burlington, Vermont; Bangor, Maine; Denver, Colorado; Boulder, Colorado; Chicago, Illinois; Cleveland, Ohio; Boise, Idaho; Portland, Oregon; Spokane, Washington; Duluth, Minnesota; Buffalo, New York.
>>2896478>The first wet bulb uninhabitable zones will likely be in south east Asia in a decade or threeYes.
>>2897533>the majority of people hateNOW hate. think about this diachronically while taking
>>2897285 into account and the fact that social instability is INEVITABLE due to climate change and the end of us financial hegemony. americans are lazy NOW but when wet bulbs become normal as well as food shortages their contentment will rapidly vanish
>>2898273patriot front actually has businesses and further financial backing to further proliferate. leftist orgs have had several decades head start and have achieved nothing
>>2898686>patriot front actually has businesses and further financial backing to further proliferate. leftist orgs have had several decades head start and have achieved nothingBecause Patriot Front is literally funded by the bourgeoisie and controlled by the feds you retard.
>>2898686And Fascists have always been the rabid attack dogs of the bourgeoisie. Most people won't actually like the fascists because they would see them hurting their own families. Fascists eat their own and actually harm their own people just as much as any "foreigner".
>>2898690And the reason "leftist" have failed is because of a mixture of fed infltration, stupidity and the incompetence of the western left. Not to mention we are literally starting over since the collapse of the USSR in 1991. Communism won't happen overnight.
If Climate changes makes us go extinct, at least we tried. And it's not like Earth hasn't had mass extinctions before.
>>2898690>>2898696>Because Patriot Front is literally funded by the bourgeoisie and controlled by the feds you retard.why does that matter when i am talking about what groups are going to have a head start when the country collapses??? you are SO fucking lost. you are genuinely going to have your head caved in by some cannibalistic warlord because you spent your whole time coping
>>2898714>why does that matter when i am talking about what groups are going to have a head start when the country collapses???But they aren't going to have a head start, if the country collapses, so does their support and finances and their fed agent wranglers. They literally are a bunch of idiots who are stupidly confident that they think they would win but in reality they have no idea how to actually survive in a collapse. I'm under no illusions that I would survive.
>cannibalistic warlordYou literally are getting your BS from post-apocalyptic movies, you are such a retard.
>>2898714The ACP is a joke of a organization, literally a bunch of fascists pretending to be communists online for internet clout. And Patriot Front is a paper tiger that folds at the first sign of resistance.
>>2898743again compared to who
>>2898743you cant seem to understand that EVERYONE is so unprepared that YES even "internet larpers" have a head start. just like how the trump administration is full of permanently only freaks and they are doing just fine at accelerating the collapse of the country
>>2898752*permanently online
>>2898739>You literally are getting your BS from post-apocalyptic moviesim getting my shit from fucking liberia where that literally happened in real life. you just think that is not going to happen in the us because it is a white country!
>>2898750compared to anyone or even China. China is actually doing shit, unlike the paper tigers of Patriot Front who can't even fight back against anyone who beats them up. And the ACP Larpers that is entirely just a pyramid scheme for Haz and his ilk.
>>2898768china are responsible for like a third of global co2 emissions they're like the worst offender in the world by far when it comes to industrial pollution, conservation, basically any kind of environmental issue
>>2898768>China is actually doing shitChina is mitigating further damage to some extent, not actually adapting to a new climate
Geoengineering will temporarily stop global warming and carbon removal over decades will reverse it. This is all just a techno-economic engineering task for capitalism.
Stop using short-term world events as anchors for your praxis. What is to be done is the same as it ever was for the past 200 years. Organize the working class and create a programme that shows how you will abolish the wage system, money, commodity production to establish an international communist economy.
>>2898768>compared to anyonewho?
>or even Chinais china a state in america?
>China is actually doing shitchina has the collective sovereignty to actually do something substantially large scale about climate collapse. at the same time all the feedback loops are already triggering. the true expression of china's collective will shall be seen in the collapse of the global economy
>anyone who beats them upwhen there is no rule of law then why do you think they wouldnt fight back especially when they are all being trained in active clubs?
>entirely just a pyramid scheme for Haz and his ilkhaz does not even accept a salary from his party (which is sort of stupid)
>>2898820also again the chapters are decentalized. how on earth could they maintain any cynical posture with such a structure?
they couldnt even if they wanted to. that is the thing, you can say that they are stupid ideologically but if we look at how their party is actually structured concretely we see that is reaaally besides the point
>>2898815Techno optimism is not a sensible solution for climate change. This has been stated by scientists several times. Such technology is still out of reach
>>2898831Its not the silver bullet but it certainly will help
>>2898876It’s not helpful period. The last thing the planet needs is an even more rapid change in climate, and another excuse to try and turn it into a co2 dumping ground for capitalists.
>>2898878That i completely agree with. Capitalism is innately extractive so its not something our current system could stop
>>2898815>Geoengineering will temporarily stop global warming and carbon removal over decades will reverse it. This is all just a techno-economic engineering task for capitalism.carbon dioxide is the extremely stable lowest energy state final product of carbon combustion, to turn the co2 back into carbon you have to put in at least as much energy as you released from burning the carbon. we started accumulating co2 debt around 1950 when the rate of co2 emissions exceeded the rate of natural absorption and since that time we have released about 22 zettajoules of energy from burning carbon. to get back to where we were before the tipping point we have to pay back all of that energy, we have to expend at least 22 zettajoules of energy not derived from fossil fuels to break all those co2 molecules apart and satisfy the debt. there is no way around this, there is no technological trickery that can outwit the laws of thermodynamics.
the real issue underlying all of this is the double standard that humanity has when it comes to nature. in one moment we have a philosophy of absolute mastery over nature when we are extracting and drilling and farming and burning fossil fuels and enriching ourselves, but the moment the bill becomes due and we are faced with the consequences of our so-called dominion over nature we abruptly switch philosophies and become passive naturalists and we say "oh, the earth is resilient, nature will heal itself, it's much stronger than we are, we're just tiny little humans what harm could we do?" we want to have our cake and eat it too, we want the agency to make huge irrevocable changes to the world but we also want a cosmic "undo" button to revert our changes when they don't go well for us, and reality doesn't work that way. reality is a permanent ledger, everything that happens is indelible.
>>2899095The energy the sun sends out is free and abundant thoughever
>>2899136We’re talking about gigastructure levels of energy development here.
>>2899095just slash and char, my dude
>>2898815> Look at me mom! I'm swallowing stale old fossil fuel cum of my own free will!who needs science when you have magical thinking?
>>2899160Biochar has been the only promising method of carbon extraction , but you are a fool if you think it will offset all that we already put in the air within 2 decades or so and it's large scale application still has to be tested as well.
so is human extinction guaranteed at this point
>>2899165it's one tool in the toolbox. many tools must be used
>>2899170give me the hopium then
>>2899171Unfortunately you don't get to know, you just have to live.
>>2899219>>2899184GIVE ME THE HOPIUM, PLS
>>2899272Hope isn’t something you know, you just have to feel it
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