have recently been absolutely swamped by articles such as this on many of my feeds
https://archive.ph/NUCFc#selection-647.0-647.67and really want to know how others here look at data like this and dont completely black pill over it. i feel like there is very little hope that things are getting this bad and we still seem to be determined to make them even worse.
Relativizing, dissociating and hopemaxxing.
Life always was shitty for most people in history and they still pushed on so loosing your privileges is not that bad. You can emotionally detach yourself from big abstract concepts like world war and climate catastrophe. And lastly we will solve everything with the revolution.
>>2896349>>2896363Unfortunately there is little time. If we cross a tipping point, it can't be stopped, revolution or not. And communism can't do miracles either, especially if resources are dwindling and chaors reigns
>>2896383The article ive linked supposes a warming of 5 degrees or higher. Thats truly apocalyptic
>>2896399I think im begining to belive we have crossed that tipping point
>>2896408Well there are several tipping points. The problem is the feedback loop. The loop can't be stopped and it will start triggering other tipping points which also have a feedback mechanism.
That shit is apocalyptic
>>2896411And is it not likely this is already happening?
basically we surpassed even the most pessimistic doomer estimates. honestly kind of impressive how dedicated we are to ending our species
>>2896420In theory not yet, but there is a possibility yes. If scientists missed something. It's hard to know with exactitude
What is China’s plan for this?
>>2896447Probably the only nation thats had some sucess undoing climate disaster
>>2896453But what is their plan though?
>>2896447>>2896457They don't really have plans past reducing carbon emissions which is more a happy accident of trying to reduce pollution and energy dependence through the deployment of renewables and electrification than a real policy. The first wet bulb uninhabitable zones will likely be in south east Asia in a decade or three, we will see if they leverage their industrial might to welcome dozens of millions of refugees
>>2896430King Allant species
>>2896485
All of this is possible with current technology but there’s zero political will to do so and won’t be until it’s already too late which it has been since the 1970s, the main conflict of the 21st century will be climate refugees clawing at the gates of the still livable global north
>>2896453Not really, just less awful then the rest
>>2896485
CO2 production or CO2 in the atmosphere ?
>>2896515
Living underground means you drown when there’s literally any rain, and climate change means mega hurricanes with megaflooding
>>2896349I would just look for something to hold onto. Even after the Green Sahara turned into a desert, lots of people stayed. There are ecologists in deserts, too. People commit their generosity to futile causes, but their generosity still outlives their politics. Sometimes people can't help but fall in love with someone who they know will die young, and it's not because they don't care.
>>2896349my ass has been absolutely swamped by this heat
hoo boy
>>2896559Who would be capable of doing that tho, can the US just start throwing aerosols in the air with zero international reaction ?
>>2896491This is a plan for mitigation, not adaptation
Maybe IRL isn't a Disney movie where everything always has a happy ending.
Maybe "doomerism" is a perfectly rational response to the state of the world.
>>2896559Due to the fact that it reflects solar rays the effects would be much stronger in the tropics then the poles, dur to this this technique can't really be used to lower temps more then ~0.5c. But i love retards like you just repeating silicon valley and oil talking points like a good little slave.
>>2896607I lost hope some time ago, between climate change and the use of non reneawable resources, on the long run humanity is going be extinct
>>2896349Keep fighting as if you can win. So what if it all ends? Why does this mean you should stop?
An hey, giving up benefits the elite. If you don't fight back you foreclose thepossiblity of not fucking dying.
>>2896607Doomer without being a defeatist. It's best right to focus on hurting the rich who made this happen as much as possible.
Giving up and rolling over is what they want.
>>2896349For one, doing what
>>2896363 does.
>Relativizing, dissociating and hopemaxxing.>Life always was shitty for most people in history and they still pushed on so loosing your privileges is not that bad. You can emotionally detach yourself from big abstract concepts like world war and climate catastrophe. And lastly we will solve everything with the revolution.That and realizing that Earth has already had like 5 Mass extinctions in the past. If we are going to die, at lease we can try to punish the rich by preventing them from leaving. Hopefully by creating a kessler syndrome in earth orbit so they can never leave the planet.
Couldn't we just get technology to bring back extinct animals and plants
>>2896349with climate it's basically so over and i don't usually even talk about it because I'll get sent to
>>>/dead/ for dooming
>>2896771How is reviving wooly mammoths going
>>2896771No, we don’t have the capabilities to grow them in artificial wombs/vats.
>>2896951our age of bronze is collapsing…
i've always been kind of excited about huge disasters and catastrophes that disrupt and destroy society, the routine of what people see as "normal life" is what depresses me more than anything else. i was happy when 9/11 happened because i got to go home from school early that day, i was excited whenever huge hurricanes would come and wreck everything and the power would be out and the streets would be flooded and i would laugh at the people panicking and hoarding food and gasoline trying to feel like they could control the situation, i was excited about the pandemic and it was fun to watch the entire economy shut down and people losing their minds and thinking it was a hoax or a conspiracy and needlessly spreading disease and getting themselves and others sick, even the president getting sick, hundreds of thousands of people dying needlessly, all of that stuff is a lot more fun than just normal everyday life being stuck at work every day and being bored to tears with this soul-sucking ant-like existence that we call life. the only depressing thing about climate change is that it's too slow and i'll probably die of old age or something and not get to be around for the really terrible consequences.
So was marx wrong about historical progressiveness. Was capitalism just a dead end all along?
>>2896968
>i've always been kind of excited about huge disasters and catastrophes that disrupt and destroy society, the routine of what people see as "normal life"uygha the capitalist class is going to work your ass in 100 degree heat so they can pocket a few extra cents there will be no dispution to your regular life besides it getting constantly mesuerabely worse.
>>2896992>the capitalist class is going to work your ass in 100 degree heati've already been doing that since i was 16 and i'm from texas, it's nothing to me. i've had a lot of labor-intensive jobs, mowing lawns, washing and vacuuming cars, unloading trucks, stocking warehouses, scrubbing shit off the floors in non-air-conditioned dog kennels, doing oil changes and brake jobs, etc. i sweat outdoors in 100 degree heat in my free time just for my own enjoyment, doing yardwork and growing a garden in my backyard and riding a single-speed mountain bike and wadefishing in the ocean for hours dragging around a beer cooler wedged in an inner tube tied to my waist. grueling physical labor is in my redneck blood and i genuinely enjoy it, it's how i was brought up, you work yourself to exhaustion and then after work you hang out with your buddies and get drunk or high, it's a great way to live. it's not the actual work part of work that sucks, it's all the other bullshit you have to deal with.
>>2896349I comfort myself with the understanding that the climate is an inherently chaotic dynamical system that might behave in ways that are mathematically intractable to predict. Maybe somehow it balances it out and self-corrects. Of course, nobody and nothing is looking out for us; we could just as well deprive of oxygen and suffocate. The idea that the same indifference which did in the dinosaurs and all the other extinction events might make an exception for us is delusional thinking.
That said, if even a fragment of the capital wasted on frivolous things today was invested in environmental science, I do have confidence in the powers of the human intellect to intervene in these trends. Capitalism is of course completely unequipped to handle it.
accept the doom, let it mold you, cultivate you!
the world is ending but slowly, you need to accept this, How you react is up to you. You can spend your last days being a whiney depressed punk bitch. Or you can spend your final days in a haze of nihilistic hedonism, eat food, party, have sex. Its time to start stirner maxxing
Just don't think about it!
>>2896769>patriot front and the acpReally? Those two fed-wrangled LARP groups doing it for internet clout? Seriously they are pathetic losers who would actually be the first to die any any actual catastrophe.
>>2897020>>2896968look, i know the world is shitty and a capitalism fucks us all in the ass but you sound like a sociopath
>>2897072however, when the venezuelan and colombia earthquakes happened, i did feel a little bit of schadenfreude, especially when i saw, or at least what seemed to be, people from the middle class running around scared to shit, it felt… sorta like karma, you know. i think social media truly fucked us and made us devoid of most empathy.
>>2897074No they aren't it's all nothing but a show for social media. They will never be tribal warlords, they are a bunch of suburban LARPers.
Read this article:
https://cosmonautmag.com/2025/04/praxis-of-alienation-and-enmity-on-the-american-communist-party/ >>2897072>look, i know the world is shitty and a capitalism fucks us all in the ass but you sound like a sociopathi don't know, i think a lot of people probably feel the way i do but just don't want to admit to it. i don't think it's sociopathy, i think it's just a perverse reaction to a very dehumanizing and derealizing existence, being so starved for something real and life-affirming that an unstoppable force of destruction feels like a breath of fresh air. i know that i shouldn't feel this way and how insane it is to be excited about the world falling apart, but it is what is and it's probably society's fault and not mine. and at any rate does it even matter how i feel about these kinds of things? if you saw one person drowning at the beach it would matter how you felt about it, you might go in to save them. but if you saw a 200 foot tsunami about to wash an entire city into the ocean and kill hundreds of thousands of people, it doesn't really matter how anyone feels about that.
>>2896951we should train an army of leftychads to become the sea peoples of the oil age collapse
we will bring divine punishment to f*rstoid cities
cannot be fixed while capitalism survives, no point thinking so much about it.
also I expect co2 emissions to accelerate from all the AI slop generators. this will overwhelm anything you do by eating vegan soyslop, so you should just eat the burger so your life is less suffering
barbarism won
>>2897094>LARPers…compared to who? there is no one else that is even preparing
>maupin>laruchewhat about what they are actually doing on the ground? it doesnt matter how stupid they are ideologically.
patriot front rallied hundreds of people in a single city! how many leftist orgs can do that? how many leftist orgs even have hundreds of members?
>These acts are very irregular and the main intention is not to develop a strong presence in the community but rather to garner likes and retweets on social mediathe acp chapters are not even ran in a centralized manner and much of the funding comes out of the members pockets. attributing a cynical reason to it rather than what they say they are doing explicitly therefore makes 0 sense. and their explicit reason
is building strongholds in local areas
<These acts are very irregular and the main intention is not to develop a strong presence in the community but rather to garner likes and retweets on social mediathis displays a lack of understanding of the fact that part of the information war also involves developing support from the locals of an area in a way that is divergent from bourgeois politics
note again that the reason why they have pursued this strategy is all under the premise that the us
is headed for a civil war. the critique that they dont bother engaging with the fight to raise minimum wage or whatever makes no sense when the entire system is fundamentally broken and
will go kaput! that is ultimately the problem here. you are still proceeding from the perspective of "class politics as usual" when climate change and the collapse of the american empire WILL destabilize everything. why go after people that are still living within the illusory reality that there is hope and not the people that are ready to burn everything down? also who owns the guns? the baristas or the truck drivers? yeah i thought so
>>2896968>the only depressing thing about climate change is that it's too slow and i'll probably die of old age or something and not get to be around for the really terrible consequences.Anon, that shit is happening right now at an accelerated rate. Wtf are you talking about?
>>2896992>uygha the capitalist class is going to work your ass in 100 degree heat so they can pocket a few extra centsThey already do this, and they have no plan for when it gets worse later on or even now.
>>2897175>patriot front rallied hundreds of people in a single city! damn HUNDREDS? thats almost enough to form a dis.cord server
When climate change comes and we see live videos of U.S soldier killing and raping refuges from latin america countries destroyed by climate change, we gonna see a million Asmongolds in social media making react videos saying "yea who cares, kill then. I have my porn, games and pissjar i'm cool. Did you guys saw the new ballsdeep67 situation, i'ts crazy".
>>2897186this is sadly going to be true
>>2897186>>2897187Have you seen military recently? I don’t know where this capitalist realism is coming from.
>>2897183yeah when social order breaks down the growing active club network totally isnt going to a problem :)
>>2896349>on many of my feeds touch grass
>>2897229bold of you to say that in this place
>>2897191The military is failing because its fighting Iran which is a near peer power in terms of organization, the entire global south rendered stateless climate refugees aren’t going to be organized like the IRGC, it’d be cool if they were, great sci fi premise.
>>2896958if I take that bronze off, will you die?
>>2897244>The military is failing because itsStupid, incompetent, wasteful, and careless, except now even more so under the Trump administration. Iran is winning because of it’s own strengths as well (it has much going for it), but no one can deny that the US military isn’t especially off it’s rocker these days. Kegseethe simply is not capable of holding things together, and I cannot be convinced otherwise.
>>2897244the us military is finished. it cant kill that many people. if climate refugees get killed it will be us citizens doing the killing with their own guns and they probably could start doing this because the us is too close to the equator to be considered safe from social destabilization, and mass influx of refugees have always historically lead to the rise of the right wing reaction under bourgeois governments
>>2897285oh yeah thats another thing, racism has already gotten normalized and patriot front as well as the wider active club network is only growing so …
>>2897249when shit hits the fan and we have to fight with spears and shields these lazy fat ass westoids will get BTFOd by our hordes of physical labourers
>>2897317I will fire my water gun at the sun dw
>>2897285>mass influx of refugees have always historically lead to the rise of the right wing reaction under bourgeois governmentsThat's normal, maas migration ends up with a massive unemployed, homeless population that can only end up building a ghetto and make money through crime, it's a self fulfilling prophecy of the "dangerous foreigners", (also it did happen in some places in the world with no border controls, even tho I will be called a reactionary for pointing out that material conditions create crime)
>>2897151Barbaric communism
>>2897175ACP and Patriot front are a bunch of fascist losers and idiots that the majority of people hate. Those groups aren't actually doing shit, stop falling for online psyops and social media filter bubbles, you retard.
The USA will not have a civil war, many of it's people are too fat, old, mentally ill and lazy to do it.
>>2897533>The USA will not have a civil war, many of it's people are too fat, old, mentally ill and lazy to do itThe option to say no has left the board a long while ago
>>2897229Going outside will certianly make you forget about climate colapse
>>2897794>climate collapsetwo more weeks
>>2897533>The USA will not have a civil war, many of it's people are too fat, old, mentally ill and lazy to do it.the collapse of the economy will remove all of those obstacles quicker than you think.
>>2897175>patriot front rallied hundreds of people in a single city!…and that was also pretty much the entirety of their membership. Patriot Front essentially functions like an MLM scheme
Good I want to see the world burn
>really want to know how others here look at data like this and dont completely black pill over it.Depends on where you live (if you don't have too much empathy for the rest of the world). The area of the USA is absolutely massive relative to the population. The book "How to Prepare for Climate Change" by David Pogue was published in 2021, but I believe the basic advice on where to move still holds: to the north and away from the coasts.
Pogue's recs were: Madison, Wisconsin; Ann Arbor, Michigan; Minneapolis, Minnesota; Burlington, Vermont; Bangor, Maine; Denver, Colorado; Boulder, Colorado; Chicago, Illinois; Cleveland, Ohio; Boise, Idaho; Portland, Oregon; Spokane, Washington; Duluth, Minnesota; Buffalo, New York.
>>2896478>The first wet bulb uninhabitable zones will likely be in south east Asia in a decade or threeYes.
>>2897533>the majority of people hateNOW hate. think about this diachronically while taking
>>2897285 into account and the fact that social instability is INEVITABLE due to climate change and the end of us financial hegemony. americans are lazy NOW but when wet bulbs become normal as well as food shortages their contentment will rapidly vanish
>>2898273patriot front actually has businesses and further financial backing to further proliferate. leftist orgs have had several decades head start and have achieved nothing
>>2898686>patriot front actually has businesses and further financial backing to further proliferate. leftist orgs have had several decades head start and have achieved nothingBecause Patriot Front is literally funded by the bourgeoisie and controlled by the feds you retard.
>>2898686And Fascists have always been the rabid attack dogs of the bourgeoisie. Most people won't actually like the fascists because they would see them hurting their own families. Fascists eat their own and actually harm their own people just as much as any "foreigner".
>>2898690And the reason "leftist" have failed is because of a mixture of fed infltration, stupidity and the incompetence of the western left. Not to mention we are literally starting over since the collapse of the USSR in 1991. Communism won't happen overnight.
If Climate changes makes us go extinct, at least we tried. And it's not like Earth hasn't had mass extinctions before.
>>2898690>>2898696>Because Patriot Front is literally funded by the bourgeoisie and controlled by the feds you retard.why does that matter when i am talking about what groups are going to have a head start when the country collapses??? you are SO fucking lost. you are genuinely going to have your head caved in by some cannibalistic warlord because you spent your whole time coping
>>2898714>why does that matter when i am talking about what groups are going to have a head start when the country collapses???But they aren't going to have a head start, if the country collapses, so does their support and finances and their fed agent wranglers. They literally are a bunch of idiots who are stupidly confident that they think they would win but in reality they have no idea how to actually survive in a collapse. I'm under no illusions that I would survive.
>cannibalistic warlordYou literally are getting your BS from post-apocalyptic movies, you are such a retard.
>>2898714The ACP is a joke of a organization, literally a bunch of fascists pretending to be communists online for internet clout. And Patriot Front is a paper tiger that folds at the first sign of resistance.
>>2898743again compared to who
>>2898743you cant seem to understand that EVERYONE is so unprepared that YES even "internet larpers" have a head start. just like how the trump administration is full of permanently only freaks and they are doing just fine at accelerating the collapse of the country
>>2898752*permanently online
>>2898739>You literally are getting your BS from post-apocalyptic moviesim getting my shit from fucking liberia where that literally happened in real life. you just think that is not going to happen in the us because it is a white country!
>>2898750compared to anyone or even China. China is actually doing shit, unlike the paper tigers of Patriot Front who can't even fight back against anyone who beats them up. And the ACP Larpers that is entirely just a pyramid scheme for Haz and his ilk.
>>2898768china are responsible for like a third of global co2 emissions they're like the worst offender in the world by far when it comes to industrial pollution, conservation, basically any kind of environmental issue
>>2898768>China is actually doing shitChina is mitigating further damage to some extent, not actually adapting to a new climate
Geoengineering will temporarily stop global warming and carbon removal over decades will reverse it. This is all just a techno-economic engineering task for capitalism.
Stop using short-term world events as anchors for your praxis. What is to be done is the same as it ever was for the past 200 years. Organize the working class and create a programme that shows how you will abolish the wage system, money, commodity production to establish an international communist economy.
>>2898768>compared to anyonewho?
>or even Chinais china a state in america?
>China is actually doing shitchina has the collective sovereignty to actually do something substantially large scale about climate collapse. at the same time all the feedback loops are already triggering. the true expression of china's collective will shall be seen in the collapse of the global economy
>anyone who beats them upwhen there is no rule of law then why do you think they wouldnt fight back especially when they are all being trained in active clubs?
>entirely just a pyramid scheme for Haz and his ilkhaz does not even accept a salary from his party (which is sort of stupid)
>>2898820also again the chapters are decentalized. how on earth could they maintain any cynical posture with such a structure?
they couldnt even if they wanted to. that is the thing, you can say that they are stupid ideologically but if we look at how their party is actually structured concretely we see that is reaaally besides the point
>>2898815Techno optimism is not a sensible solution for climate change. This has been stated by scientists several times. Such technology is still out of reach
>>2898831Its not the silver bullet but it certainly will help
>>2898876It’s not helpful period. The last thing the planet needs is an even more rapid change in climate, and another excuse to try and turn it into a co2 dumping ground for capitalists.
>>2898878That i completely agree with. Capitalism is innately extractive so its not something our current system could stop
>>2898815>Geoengineering will temporarily stop global warming and carbon removal over decades will reverse it. This is all just a techno-economic engineering task for capitalism.carbon dioxide is the extremely stable lowest energy state final product of carbon combustion, to turn the co2 back into carbon you have to put in at least as much energy as you released from burning the carbon. we started accumulating co2 debt around 1950 when the rate of co2 emissions exceeded the rate of natural absorption and since that time we have released about 22 zettajoules of energy from burning carbon. to get back to where we were before the tipping point we have to pay back all of that energy, we have to expend at least 22 zettajoules of energy not derived from fossil fuels to break all those co2 molecules apart and satisfy the debt. there is no way around this, there is no technological trickery that can outwit the laws of thermodynamics.
the real issue underlying all of this is the double standard that humanity has when it comes to nature. in one moment we have a philosophy of absolute mastery over nature when we are extracting and drilling and farming and burning fossil fuels and enriching ourselves, but the moment the bill becomes due and we are faced with the consequences of our so-called dominion over nature we abruptly switch philosophies and become passive naturalists and we say "oh, the earth is resilient, nature will heal itself, it's much stronger than we are, we're just tiny little humans what harm could we do?" we want to have our cake and eat it too, we want the agency to make huge irrevocable changes to the world but we also want a cosmic "undo" button to revert our changes when they don't go well for us, and reality doesn't work that way. reality is a permanent ledger, everything that happens is indelible.
>>2899095The energy the sun sends out is free and abundant thoughever
>>2899136We’re talking about gigastructure levels of energy development here.
>>2899095just slash and char, my dude
>>2898815> Look at me mom! I'm swallowing stale old fossil fuel cum of my own free will!who needs science when you have magical thinking?
>>2899160Biochar has been the only promising method of carbon extraction , but you are a fool if you think it will offset all that we already put in the air within 2 decades or so and it's large scale application still has to be tested as well.
so is human extinction guaranteed at this point
>>2899165it's one tool in the toolbox. many tools must be used
>>2899170give me the hopium then
>>2899171Unfortunately you don't get to know, you just have to live.
>>2899219>>2899184GIVE ME THE HOPIUM, PLS
>>2899272Hope isn’t something you know, you just have to feel it
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