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>Bye, bye, Microsoft! – edition
https://www.zdnet.com/article/china-drops-windows-for-linux/

The Chinese question is: how does a comfy non-imperialist nation transform itself into a global socialist model that can be reproduced and adopted by the rest of the world, without either reproducing the aggressive and counter-productive policies of the USSR or appearing toothless, while resolving the contradictions of the so-called first world FOR THEM and liberating them from capitalist domination, therefore using the empire's collapse to accelerate material conditions to enable the global revolution?

<A thread for the harmonious discussion related to the saviour of socialism, the uplifter of nations, the king of cooperation, the soviet of SOVL, the enjoyer of empathy, the ally of Africa, the demigod of development, the bureaucracy for banter, the prince of ping pong, the lobotomizer of labour aristocracy, the protector against proxy wars, the sponsor of sophisticated sciences and culture, the guarantor of gommunism, the Proletarian Dictatorship of Chynah™.


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>>2923315
Base-Superstructure at work. China's success is undeniable, of course people are trying to attribute it to anything but Socialism. And the best way to square the circle of capitalist propaganda with China is to say that China is also some kind of right wing reactionary state. The most dangerous avenue in my opinion to divert attention is the confucian lawyer vs engineer bullshit some diaspra cuckasian are pendling right now.

>>2923315
The rats beg for a ship transfer
>>2925621
>Bourgeois governments strive towards minimal responsibility towards their people
The exact opposite. The bourgeois do not like an unmanaged proletariat.
>Communist government is
Government dedicated to the proletarian class and the development of communist society
>vanguard party of the proletariat is
A concept that attempts to supplant the concept of true class dictatorship.
>>2925709
>China's success is undeniabl
y capitalist Lassallian

>>2925730
If China were really capitalist it would be as poor and backwards as India is today.

>>2925730
>The exact opposite. The bourgeois do not like an unmanaged proletariat.
Wut. Bourgeois parliament strives towards being UNACCOUNTABLE. I have no idea where your comment came from. That's the essense of dictatorship of bourgeoisie - they always, forever and ever, create "deep state" so that people's votes never amount to anything. This makes people who do not vote the most class conscious - they just refuse to participate in a humiliation ritual, it's a type of protest voting

>>2925771
>This makes people who do not vote the most class conscious - they just refuse to participate in a humiliation ritual, it's a type of protest voting
the petty bourgeoisie actually do get red meat tossed to them as a class so they are fairly class conscious when they vote, especially on local commissioners, boards, propositions, etc.

>>2902602
>Maybe I'll live just long enough to see most of humanity mulched by the rich after we become worthless eaters.
so… like them? Also who will they sell commodities to? Why "mulch" everyone if the whole point of developing productive forces was to be more competitive at mass producing commodities for mass consumption? Why go through the work of "mulching" everyone? Even if they wanted to be rid of us, just going Gaza mode on the entire planet seems like a difficult commitment to make when they could just mass sterilize poor populations or subsidize non-reproduction… yet the US gov. seems to move in the opposite direction, trying to make abortion and birth control illegal or at least really hard to get.

>>2925768
>If China were really capitalist it would be as poor and backwards as India is today.

Also, the key thing to realize is that after the founding of the USSR world imperialism was firmly against the further development of productive forces. RP Dutt noted as far back as 1935:

> It has remained for our day that all the capitalist governments of the world should meet together in the world economic conference to proclaim […] the supreme aim to restrict production and to raise prices.


He then gives many examples of capitalists doing this on purpose, which they still do to this day.

We should also look to the way imperialism uses sanctions, embargoes, loans, structural adjustment programs to keep countries "underdeveloped and overexploited." 19th century imperialism made the mistake of forcing Japan out of isolation and into rapid development. once Japan became a near-peer rival of Europe after the 1905 Russo-Japanese war, the racial delusions of the Europeans were (at least partly) broken. They realized then and there that any country could become just as developed as the "civilized world". From that point onwards imperialism developed new strategies to ensure that rapidly developing nations didn't develop too rapidly, and remained junior partners and dependents of the countries developing them. A too rapid development of their productive capacity especially would make them into near peer rivals. Only in the late 20th century was the mistake of Japan repeated with China (Mao/Nixon normalizing trade) out of desperation during the 70s oil crisis.

>>2925771
>Bourgeois parliament strives towards being UNACCOUNTABLE
The BOURGEOIS strives towards being unaccountable. Their parliament is a different story.

>>2922194

Here in china the Bride Price has become mostly a joke. It does still have some pressure on a man to have savings before getting married, but this money is almost always returned as a gesture (also given as a gesture) or is invested into a house or a car for the couple. Its a cultural holdover without the economic purpose.

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China's 'artificial sun' hits new milestone with research campus delivered for use, targets 2030 for first electricity output

China’s efforts in accelerating the transition of its nuclear fusion program from fundamental research to large scale engineering have achieved a major milestone, as the project campus of the Burning Plasma Experimental Superconducting Tokamak (BEST), which is dubbed China's "artificial sun," was officially delivered and put into use in Hefei, East China’s Anhui Province, China Central Television (CCTV) reported on Thursday.

Currently, the construction of the BEST's main machine has entered a critical "four-layer nested assembly" phase. BEST is a new-generation fusion burning experimental device independently developed by China, aiming to simulate the nuclear fusion reactions inside the sun to obtain nearly inexhaustible clean energy.

Since July this year, multiple key core components of the BEST have been delivered to the site, and assembly has progressed steadily, with tasks now more than halfway complete.

Recently, the most critical task in the construction of BEST’s main machine started – the "four-layer nested assembly." Like a giant "thermos-like barrel" nested layer by layer, the device has, starting from the innermost layer, a vacuum vessel, then a thermal shield and toroidal field magnets are wrapped around it. The final step involves installing internal precision components, according to CCTV News.

The vacuum vessel is the "furnace chamber" where nuclear fusion reactions occur, and the thermal shield acts as a super insulation layer to block heat. The toroidal field magnets are responsible for generating an ultra-strong magnetic field, firmly confining the high-temperature plasma so it does not touch the vessel walls.

According to the plan, overall construction on BEST is estimated to complete by the end of 2027, after which deuterium-tritium fusion power generation demonstrations will be conducted around 2030. The experiment will replicate the sun's principle of "shining and generating heat" on Earth, and verifying the feasibility of commercial power generation through controlled nuclear fusion.

China has steadily accelerated progress toward commercial nuclear fusion in recent years. In January 2025, the "artificial sun" project sustained a plasma temperature of 100 million C for 1,066 seconds, setting a new world record, according to CCTV News.

Also, its Experimental Advanced Superconducting Tokamak (EAST) has repeatedly set world records. On June 28, the research team confirmed with the Global Times that development acceptance and full parameter testing on the two key superconducting magnets for EAST’s fusion reactors have been successfully completed.

Upon completion, the BEST facility is expected to demonstrate fusion electricity generation for the first time in history, according to the Xinhua News Agency.

>>2926048
the european union had a joint project with china and the us to build one of these. I guess all of that went nowhere and was just an excuse to leech research from the EAST project?

anyway, the one thing that makes me skeptic towards these machines is that for some reason they only turn them on for like 15 minutes per year. do they get so fucked up that they have to basically be rebuilt every time? that doesn't sound very practical

>>2926132
that's something you have to prove, not assert
but a priori I can tell you that you're wrong; there are no such vulgar and simple determinisms in marxism

>>2926141
>analogies and platitudes
L

>>2926147
Convenient

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>>2926147
>The Tao cannot be expressed in language retard
>>2926141
>Marxism has been proven wrong by reality over and over and over and over because hegel is also wrong, the universe is a fixed object the way a rock is, there is no process or movement or change
>>2926132
>It’s not possible for any superstructural element to remain without being something real within the structure itself
I disagree.

>>2926147
>The Tao cannot be expressed in language retard

can anything be truly expressed in language? if someone were born blind, how do you explain to them what the word "green" means?

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south korea moves to seize japanese assets

>>2926147
If you understood that, you'd realize that the rock is neither unmmoving nor a fixed object.

>>2926215
>A rock with nothing forming it nor nothing dissolving it is a fixed object.
And where in the universe would you find such a rock? You cannot. Your image of a still universe is itself a work of the universe in motion, of fiction of its own produced by a mind in motion. Go drink water

>>2926210
>the government made by collaborators for collaborators
>claims that it is going to go against pro-japanese capitals
nationalism is so pathetic holy shit

>>2918844
As s Chinese, I feel I should clarify a few things. The earliest dynasty officially recognized in China is the Xia dynasty, which is dated to around 2070 BCE. Archaeologists have discovered relatively advanced urban settlements with clear social hierarchies dating to this period, which supports this account. Most archaeological sites from earlier periods, by contrast, were scattered villages.

The earliest identifiable Chinese writing system is the oracle bone script of the Shang dynasty, China's second dynasty, which began around 1600 BCE. Of course, I'd bet that China already had some rudimentary form of writing before that, the discoveries at Jiahu provide evidence of this. However, the dozens of periods of social upheaval and dynastic change in the heartland of Chinese civilization have made it extremely difficult for archaeologists to find such evidence.

As for seafaring, the Chinese probably developed their own coastal transport networks quite early, but truly largescale maritime expeditions did not come until the Qin dynasty, established in 221 BCE. Qin Shi Huang, the first emperor to unify China, sent a court practitioner named Xu Fu eastward, toward the rising sun, to search for legendary islands of immortals. Xu Fu never returned, and historians at the time believed he had died during the voyage. Some modern historians, however, have argued that he actually reached the Japanese islands and settled there, introducing various technologies from Qin China to the local population. Some early Japanese historical sources appear to support this account.

The attachment is a Chinese history textbook for the first semester of seventh grade. It covers the period from the Stone Age to around 589 CE and can help you understand how most Chinese people are taught about the origins of their civilization. You can use Google Translate to read it.

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>>2926132

The bride price was based in a fuedal reality of women not contributing in harvest or income. With the proletarianization of women this has become vestigial, yet there are still more prole men, so it serves a purpose saving up. That the economics of it. Somethings do persist for cultural reasons, they remain longer, a losing fight against economic trends

>>2926223
>There is nothing outside the universe, making it a fixed object and there is no such thing as an internal process
So says the result of an internal process.

>>2922194
You could argue that present-day China is some kind of “state-capitalist” regime (although I don't personally agree, there are certainly signs of it), but claiming that China still has some sort of “feudal” character is stupid. The vast majority of harmful feudal customs were eliminated through successive reform campaigns under Mao.
Today's “bride price” is more of a new phenomenon dressed up as a feudal tradition, rooted in the skewed sex ratio and declining birth rate caused by Deng's stupid family-planning policies.

>>2926252

I wouldnt call the one child policy stupid. The more I have been here the more ive thought about the positive benefits of it, largely the fact that families would invest all their efforts and resources into a single child, who would be much more capable of studying and working as a more advanced technical worker

>>2926295

we might say the one child policy was a way to refine the "quantitiy" of chinese labor into "quality" labor

>>2926209
>>2926197
I understand what you're both talking about. You're using language to say that language can't say anything. If that's the case how come I understand what you're both saying?

>>2926215
Eventually the protons in the rock will decay, just gotta wait 10^34 years.

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>>2925621
>>2925709
I have a few dissident right mutuals. Most of them are supportive of communism, even though they believe communism will never actually be achieved. They see it as a tool to end liberal capitalism and believe that the communist system will eventually give way to a Caesar. That’s really it.

>>2926295
It was stupid but when you realize the IMF where pushing it on China due to overpopulation fears in exchange for access to global finance capital the tradeoff makes sense given its modern day prosperity.

>>2927211
>Fascists trying to claim China for themselves again
Kek who's going to tell him about all the woke shit like Affirmative Action, extra exam points for minorities, mandatory classes on socialism, reserved government posts for ethnic minorities, taxing richer regions to redistribute funds to poorer ones, active censorship of racial hatred, etc?

>>2927228
I did mention that and he replied that he’s not against it. In fact he’s supportive of it, since China’s ethnic minorities are native to their respective lands. He said he would support policies that promote the interests of the micro-ethnic groups within his nation. Again, they also aren’t particularly hostile to socialism.

>>2927211
I hate social democrats

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LOOK AT THIS. Is THIS what you DENGOID REVISIONISTS defend?

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>>2927211
>"I would rather be strung up in a Bolshevik Germany,’ he averred, ‘than be made blissful in a French southern Germany." - Hitler
That's the main tactic the Soviets used for former Nazis

>>2927645
the starbucks bourg have infiltrated the prc and forced it's citizens to do the humiliating wagie waggle. this is the official death of the chinese socialist project.

literally unironically i am not even joking it should be against the law for an employer to be able to require his employees dance or in any way have to even pretend to be enthusiastic. and the fact that the prc has not enshrined this in law signals that they have failed. this is the failure of dengism

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>>2927645
America should make native americans do the rain dance at applebees. Always thought it was weird how industrial society I mean capitalism wears traditional cultures like a skinsuit. Like see guys, there's something authentic out there, somewhere, it's not all fake bullshit, haha.

>>2929386
The soyjak picture is correct but incomplete, it needs a soyjak next to the voting soyjak on his computer hitting post with the picture attached

>>2927645
This is a good one because it shows they're not doing a genocide but China is AES types won't want to defend it either because it's wagie get in the cagie stuff.

I am charging the CPC with capitalism and ideological distortion, court will be tomorrow, an absence will result in further charges and longer detainment

>>2929393
Like that old saying the only thing worse than being exploited by capital is not being exploited by capital.

>>2929401
Tell that to the people of North Sentinel Island

>>2927645
Chinese propaganda is so comically dogshit

>>2929403
It's a historical fluke that no one wiped them out and put a dildo factory on top of their sacred ancient burial sites (Marxists would call the genocide historically progressive).

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>>2927645
>🍄 SMURF MINORITY IDENTIFICATION GUIDE 🍄

>General Guidelines to help establish if a Group is a ‘Smurf Minority’. The more criteria a Group meets the more likely they are to be a ‘Smurf Minority’

>Non-exhaustive checklist for Smurf status:
>1. Either no or token self-governance, even within their own traditional communities. May have a special “autonomous region” or “reservation”
>2. “Culture” is main identifying feature but is limited to a handful of easily commodified or exported, often inane, elements (bead-making, dances, “traditional costume”, “traditional art” etc.)
>3. A formal or informal tourist industry exists solely to encourage outsiders to “experience” this culture
>4. Often partially or wholly turned into / off-handedly considered a curiosity for more dominant cultures to enjoy
>5. Limited or non-existent local industry or economy outside of the above
>6. Associated with a particular “unique” philosophy that’s branded in a local language term but actually just translates to a relatively mundane concept
>7. On receiving end of monetary or political indulgences from a government (e.g. special “indigenous” status) which allow for LARPing but limited actual self-sovereignty or agency
>8. Inability to survive in the wild, relatively (but not in every instance) low-agency

>>2929695

anon took this from a fed twitter account that does nothing but post about how racist the USSR and China are because Kazahk and Uyghur culture are shown through clothes and music and not through killing women for disobedience or soemthing.

>>2929695
If I can't silly dance, I don't want to be in your smurfin' revolution.

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why does china allow taiwan to treat chinese people like this in their own territorial waters
>inb4 some faggot cope about restraint will win hearts&minds!

>>2929393
The most logical explanation is that these employees feel like busting out the Dutar.


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