>Bye, bye, Microsoft! – editionhttps://www.zdnet.com/article/china-drops-windows-for-linux/The Chinese question is: how does a comfy non-imperialist nation transform itself into a global socialist model that can be reproduced and adopted by the rest of the world, without either reproducing the aggressive and counter-productive policies of the USSR or appearing toothless, while resolving the contradictions of the so-called first world FOR THEM and liberating them from capitalist domination, therefore using the empire's collapse to accelerate material conditions to enable the global revolution?
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>>2832385 Deng lost.
>>2901158Deng literally made possible communism.
>>2901155this feels overkill
>>2901157gimmicks, tbh
show me infrastructure like solar panels, hospital automation and reforestation. I'm sick of booj treats and marching footage.
>>2901166Surprised to find a fellow Mexican Chiapanecan online.
>>2901155Wow, china uses light fans to display images just like my western office does!!!!1
This is cool tech, but you're being a nationalist faggot right now. This is showing off a cool kid doing cool things, not some chinese innovation.
Why some bourgeois states have dedicated generals on lefty/pol/? Can I make a general for my own bourgeois shithole?
>>2901166so you are not a
fan? >>2901167<the total automation of physical labour is mere>gimmicks, just because it is Deesplayed (tm)Marx would spit on you
>>2901170>Wow, china uses light fans to display imagesin reality:
<China did a cool fucking thing>just like my western officeLol, uygha, your "Westrn Office" didn't innovate for 30 yrs, LMAO
Has anyone followed the 14th five year plan? Hows the progress? Did they meet their goals for crushing the "3 mountains"?
Actually come to think of it, the robots and the more extreme streamer / influencer culture might be related. Like it's a more dynamic capitalist economy really for good and for ill, contradictory as it were.
is this, traditionally, the anti-leftcom/anti-ultra thread?
>>2901170>My western officei've never seen anything like this in my life so maybe you are high up on the food chain
>>2901179Not much. trying to find a decent price in central mexico for appartments
China is nice!
(Controversial statement in the deteriorating Western world.)
>>2901165> for completely eliminating physical labourMaybe I'll live just long enough to see most of humanity mulched by the rich after we become worthless eaters. Like the old quote goes, the only thing worse than being exploited by capital is NOT being exploited by capital.
So apparently there was this flood catastrophe in Choynah, and my lib news outlet is already telling me thqt the Choynese state figures of 7 confirmed dead is false, the "reality" is like 600 dead, which number the communist party of Choynah is covering up….
Democratic China will be better world leader than USA, and potential Russia great allies. Communism cucks it’s full potential tbh.
>>2902653"democratic" cope, by democratic you mean liberalism where the rich can buy the state from the outside and the population can play with the stress ball that is elections, but as shown today where every "democratic" nation is marching to be a failed state, russia included and china is rising in every metric shows your claim of it being cucked to be completely wrong.
The KMT will come back and all of the CPC’s little “accomplishments” will be for nil
>>2902653i wanna kill you
>>2902653I agree if they were more imperialist the PRC would be more based (historically progressive)
>>2902653Does anyone know what language this is? My AI language to English translator only works if you know what the input language is.
I still wouldn't call China socialist, but it's undeniable that state capitalism (or, to be more precise for their case, state-directed capitalism) is superior to westoid finance capitalism for national development. It's still not what I want, but there's no denying it's better.
>>2902854Yeah, even if you don't believe that China is socialist, there's no way you can claim that China is equal or worse than USA for the world. Lesser evil at the very least, or a straight up communist country - zero reasons not to support China
Deng won.
>>2901184>replacing human labor like… uhh athletic sportsgimmicks.
Marx would smile and shake your hand and then write a letter to Engels calling you a Jewish nigger.
Den Wong
>>2901191Yes, it has.
You are hilarious, and I like you, but I hope you stay online and far, far away from the socialist movement.
>>2901150I don't doubt your experience. Development is very uneven. My country doesn't have high-speed rail and some countries have had lines running for over 60 years.
Hologram fans were commercially available (in less advanced form) for around 10 years now:
https://hd-focus.com/news/when-were-hologram-fans-invented-85182389.htmlhttps://www.dseeholofan.com/about-usI only know this by chance, it's not common knowledge.
>>2903461This won't end well since main lander males are bunch of incel.
What did he get right and what did he get wrong?
https://mrkrudd.substack.com/p/the-evolution-of-chinese-economic>Xi Jinping—for those of you who have read his stuff, and I made it my business to read all of his stuff when I, at the tender age of 59, decided to do a DPhil at Oxford and produced a book called On Xi Jinping, having studied for four years his ideological framework—takes ideology seriously, in a country which takes ideology seriously.
>If you read Xi Jinping’s ideological framework carefully, my three-line summary of the ideological changes he’s brought about in the Chinese system is as follows.>Number one, Xi Jinping deliberately set about moving the centre of gravity of Chinese politics towards the Leninist left: more power for the Party.>Two, he also took a deliberate decision, probably from the 19th Party Congress in 2017, to move the centre of gravity of Chinese economic policy towards the Marxist left.>And three, throughout this period, we see a parallel shift in China’s approach to its foreign policy and national security policy by moving its centre of gravity towards the nationalist right.>If we are to make sense of the Xi Jinping ideological project, it is reflected in these three dimensions.
>[…]>>2902597i have found that people in general have retarded ahistorical beliefs. the reason for some younger people "liking hitler" is probably because they think hitler was opposed to zionism or something schizophrenic like that.
if you think
zionism = jews
and hitler = against jews
you conclude
hitler = against zionism
meaning
hitler = anti racist freedom fighter
>>2904718Marx and Engels were cretins in their personal lives and in the first international, they would be victims of purges in any communist party that ever actually took power
>>2904724Engels and marx were gigachads who fugged to tier gorilla grip pussies while having devoted loyal wives, the fuck you be talking about uninformed uygha?
>>2904730You mean besides the multiple times Marx was caught cheating on Jenny? Mao would have forced Marx to face Willich in the duel when challenged
>>2904732Marx cheated and still didnt get dumped? Ultragigachad, pinnacle of male succes and domination.
>>2904735Jenny didn’t have the legal or practical opportunity to leave hin
What are some key reading about China? I want to learn more about the socialist experiment in China.
>>2904783milton friedman's collected works should get you started
>>2904744Suck my fucking dick
>>2904724True, but not for the reasons you're describing
>>2904999Politics is class conflict and personality is a big factor because people are in positions to influence things directly
>>2904597I think it’s just due to communism is rising and when communism the elites push fascism so both extremes rise or whatever
>>2902597Fascists don't like to say that they bootlick finance capitalists, really the only reason a fascist would claim to dislike the PRC is the Gaokao policy favoring national minorities, or wanting more emphasis of Confucianism (even though Confucian ideology is already steadily growing even under PRC).
Famously ᴉuᴉlossnW claimed Stalin as the fascist leader of the USSR, Yukio Mishima famously said that his only disagreement with the Communists was on the question of the Emperor.
>>2908309
how old is your civilization?
>>2907762yeah of course the bourgeoisie push fascism but when they meet with success among alienated youths who develop ahistorical retarded beliefs, and some of those youths are not even petty bourgeois, there is a superstructural aspect of their reasoning which supports their shaky and contradictory beliefs. One can follow the train of ill-logic to approximate what it is many of them think.
>>2909554in America we have empty suburbs. the real estate companies just keep building mcmansions and sitting on them as speculative assets. but god forbid a country plan for future growth.
>>2910599I live in an "older" neighborhood and there's a new neighborhood down the street that is kind of stately where I walk my doggo through to get to the park and I swear half the houses are unoccupied and are just being sat on for speculation.
Anyways here's a song. It's actually quite catchy.
>>2910921…a ghost town, dare I say?
America has the AI bubble and China has the humanoid robot bubble.
>>2910921i'm so sorry but it sounds like she's saying
>injuns in my faggotry >>2910795Why not show the chinese state media stating this
>>2910945because it never happened
>>2910944u r forgiben, my son
>>2912248>socialism is when povertyThis is why nobody takes you seriously
>>2912248We fight for bread but we fight for roses too
>>2903941that looks terrifying
they handle them as if they were objects
>>2912251he is referring to capitalist owned luxury apartments in the video, not government owned rent free apartments
>>2912253socialism is when hedgehodges are in control
>>2912257>capitalist owned??? Do you think that specialists-stakhanovites shouldn't be rewarded for their hard labor?
I want to love China but there's two non-negotiables they fail:
- I can't run my mouth. I can sit here and call the leader of my country a lying sack of shit in public and nothing will happen to me; not in China. I simply cannot trust any leader who bans criticism of himself.
- Porn is banned. I'm too much of a gooner, this is simply a non-starter.
>>2912405You get around those with a VPN, just don’t be too harsh or deliberately draw attention to yourself
>>2912405> I can't run my mouth. I can sit here and call the leader of my country a lying sack of shit in public and nothing will happen to me; not in China. I simply cannot trust any leader who bans criticism of himself.There are things you cannot criticize in the West. If you say them you will be punished harsher then anything you can say in China.
> Porn is banned. I'm too much of a gooner, this is simply a non-starter.Stop gooning so much. Don't do it so much it rots your brain like this.
>>2912405>Porn is banned. I'm too much of a gooner, this is simply a non-starter.Dawg chinese people are giga-gooners. Don't treat the literal text on the legal papers as what's actually the content of the society.
>>2912413You can goon in china, just do it inside of someone’s holes in private consensually, the party doesn’t give a fuck
>>2912405Why do you want to bad mouth Xi? You can bad mouth Trump in China just as well as in USA, be happy with that
>>2912416Of course, but that other anon has rotted his brain with so much pornography he didn't realise this. The anti-porn legislation in China is for the good of the people including both the women exploited by this industry and men who suffer porn addiction.
You don't need a capitalist porn industry or anyone else to get off. You can create a picture yourself with pencil and paper, fantasize about it, and get off. So you could even get excited in a prison with nothing and the situation in China isn't even that bad. There is still plenty of ways to get porn. The only reason this would even be a fucking issue is if you have serious brain rot from a porn addiction.
>>2912413That's not really true. The West is designed to give people the illusion of having political agency. You can scream into the void as much as you want, nothing changes anyway. It nevertheless is a red flag if you don't even offer people that illusion but shut down dissent completely and force people to act like they approve.
>>2912405Whats bad about banning porn unironically? Porn industry as a whole should be banned.
>>2912419It's not even about whether I want to or not, it's the fact that I can't even if I change my mind. If he decides to do something I think is catastrophically stupid, it doesn't matter - I still can't criticise him. The law presumes he is infallible - or, rather, prioritises making him appear infallible.
>>2912421There’s a billion people in China, by law of large numbers you’re gonna find someone up for casual sex and I’m sure WeChat has an okcupid/tinder style dating function for this
The development of industrial capitalism simplified class antagonisms. Where before there were many classes, afterwards there were only two: the proletariat and the bourgeoisie. However, the development of information technology has complicated the class system. From the development of information technnology has emerged a new social class: the giga-gooners.
With the emergence of giga-gooners capitalism has created an entire class in the developed countries with no revolutionary potential. Ask a giga-gooner to give up everything and set up a base camp in the mountains and they will cry: "where is my smut?"
>>29124592 is debatable but 1 is not. 1 is the opposite, it's the leader going me me me.
I just don’t like Chinese aesthetics
>>2912428China has tiered council system ala Soviets, you air your grievances to your representative, if there are enough people like you, who also air their grievances to their representatives, all the representatives air your and their grievances up and up and up. Xi can be dismissed from his position by national congress, there is a law about this, and national congress consists of representatives of lower level councils.
>>2912428There's mechanisms for internal criticism
You, a bourgeois brained liberal, just think that democracy consists in spreading counterrevolutionary propaganda thru the media in a "marketplace of ideas"
That's not criticism, that's rabble rousing
Xi status?
>>2912488then don't live in China.
>>2912421There is no such thing as "porn addiction"
It is simply incel guys only way of coping
Give all these "porn addicts" a chance to be with any real woman and they will drop porn in a heartbeat
>>2913382I knew a guy who was tall, hung, married to a hot chick, had kids with her, and still watched a lot of porn and even paid for it. I think he qualified as addicted to it.
>>2913384>HungHow do you know this lmao
>>2913382Women do not replace porn. Do you stop watching cooking channels after cooking and eating?
>>2912253never saw a pig farm award
>>29133822 rights 1 wrong
>>2913385his wife told everyone whether they wanted to hear it or not
>>2912253watch dominion lol
>>2912253Animals are objects and should be treated as such
>>2913575People are animals
Animal should be treated as objects
Therefore people should be treated as objects
>>2913575>>2913621jackie treehorn treats objects like women, man
>>2912253Chinese people are notoriously inconsiderate of animal welfare
>>2913645People in Asia in general aren't know for welfare of animals, the idea of welfare of animal is a western thing, being more frank I considered people who mistreat animals as barbarian and inferiors.
>>2913652I think its also relative.
For example, Indians venerate cows, while we eat them.
Arabs like cats, but hate dogs, and so on.
From the time of Aesop's Fables, to Francis of Assissi, to Grimm's Fairy Tales, Walt Disney and the Furry movement, I do see a particular veneration of animals in general by Westerners. White women are especially fond of treating animals better than fellow human beings, which can also be rather exclusive. For example, Hitler was a fan of animals, and a vegetarian, while also valuing animals over fellow men.
>>2913658almost everyone who "treats animals better than humans" only does it with some select animals, like domestic dogs. I also find it very tiresome when people go "you know who else was a vegetarian? that's right. Hitler." yes and I'm sure Hitler also understood that 1+1=2, but I'm not going to reject the equation on that basis alone.
The real thing is to treat both animals and humans without cruelty, which is needless. It is entirely possible to defend yourself and acquire food without needless cruelty.
>>2912703Only in theory. They would never dare actually try to do it - even suggesting the idea to try to gather support would get you locked up on sedition charges or something. He is a dictator, there is no fudging around it.
>>2912704I can already tell you use the ML definition democracy, which isn't democracy (don't even bother - no, I will not accept it). It's just a rhetorical cover for absolute power by whoever is in charge, that's it. You can dress it up however you want, it's not democracy.
>>2913670not the anon, but if all societies are objectively class dictatorships, then there is no real ideal "democracy" in the bourgeois sense of the word where you have this multiparty pluralistic society where all classes have an equal say, that's absurd. some classes always have more power than others, that's what makes them classes in the first place. so the conventional definition of democracy where the bourgeoisie and proletariat have an equal say is silly. if you have reservations about the "ML definition" of things then say what the alternative is. how do you create a society where the working class, the majority, all have a say in governance without creating the "too many cooks in one kitchen" problem?
>>2913712If we're going to be more particular, the only *actual* way is direct democracy, but that becomes exponentially difficult to handle as the number of people involved grows. Otherwise, the task has to be outsourced to a political class, so it matters what the character of that political class is. In China, the political class - the Communist Party - is a self-selecting entity that gatekeeps who gets to be part of the class so the status quo - where they hold ultimate power - is not disrupted. The public holds no mechanism of accountability or authority of any kind over them short of violence. Anyone who claims China is "democratic" is simply axiomatically asserting the Party represents the will of the population, but without any mechanism to hold them accountable *to* the population, there is no way to actually make that happen.
>>2913764what if political will of the majority is stupid? what if "the people" (interclass construct) always vote to give their direct democracy away and replace it with management by a political class? Or even worse, what if they vote to preserve their short term interests as a particular generation of people over the long term stability of the society (as boomers have done in the USA)
>>2913670>They would never dare actually try to do it - even suggesting the idea to try to gather support would get you locked up on sedition charges or something. He is a dictator, there is no fudging around it.Wrong, Chinese do vote people out of elected offices all the time.
https://en.people.cn/n3/2016/0919/c90000-9116649.htmlThere was also Zhou Sufen (???) in Hunan, but I can't find a good link, google fights me all the way declaring that Soviet-style law for recalling elected officials by lower level Soviets doesn't exist in China or doesn't work or is never used, lol, despite the fact that google does find evidence that it works and is used often.
>>2913987
uygha everyday there is a mass shooting, school shooting, gang shooting in the fucking america and you decided to pick a random video of a violence in a country with near two billion people.
why burgers are so retarded?
>>2913987
Patriarchy still exists in Capitalist and Dengoid China. Same with every other nation of earth. It's that simple.
>>2914045xi is like in his 70s, he is not immune to strokes, especially at this age. its pretty weird realizing that kim is probably gonna outlive both xi, cucktin and trump, atleast if his weight doesnt kill him first
>>2914045Cringed at having to sit with reactionaries
>>2913952Disingenuous. Politicians above the local level are all appointed, not elected, meaning you can't achieve higher office without the approval of the existing party hierarchy. The people cannot put you there, they have no say in the matter.
>>2913866The political will of the majority *is* stupid, I agree. I'm far more interested in electoral mechanisms as a way to mitigate abuse of power than actually allowing majoritarian politics, especially since in the vast majority countries, that would lead to some flavour of rightist drivel. Only in a country socialised over the long term within a socialist economy might have an egalitarian majority, as socialism being perceived as the norm would cause the sheep (ie conservatives) to settle into and reflexively defend it simply out of familiarity and fear of change. But you have to get to that point first, and no socialist experiment has lasted for even a century.
What I want, really, is the socialist inverse of the capitalist west: you can vote for whoever you want, as long as they don't threaten the economic system. Presently, that's capitalism; I want to make it socialism instead. The resource disparity between the two sides might make more authoritarian measures needed to make that safe of course, like outright banning capitalists from politics is almost a given I think since even a small capitalist presence will be disproportionately resourced and influential. Whether we need a vanguard party or multiple parties is up for debate; the important thing is not going the Leninist route and banning factionalism, whether that's between parties or within one. Otherwise, that is an easy excuse for exercising absolute, unquestionable authority, which then hinges the country's fate entirely on one man's whims.
>>2914277are these those proto-chinese characters from tortoise shells? there's already cuneiform, hieroglphys, linear B, etc. so it's overdue
please xi nuke the yasukuni shrine i'll do anything
please xi nuke each of the wa islands into a vast tennis court.
Hydrogen as fuel os pretty meh tbh
Xi status?
>>2914411unicode是字符集，小篆是字体，字符集收录一种字体，有点不对劲。
>>2914671China made the Soviet dream of producing means of production on a grandest scale a reality
>>2914665xi clearly had a stroke
>>2904732marx cheated? woah. communism debunked.
>>2915212I understand Dr. Light, I want a robot son.
>>2915513Do not talk to me or my robot son ever again.
>>2904732>the multiple times Marx was caught cheating on Jenny?afaik this rumor comes from 1962, was spread by simon sebag montefiore, the same epstein planerider who called stalin a pedo, and has zero evidence, and is just part of the general anticommunist scholarship that fabricates claims about the personal lives of major communist figures
>>2915843
USSR didn't have a truly universal healthcare either. It's one of those issues usoids and euroids cope about China with, it's a pervertion of facts and an extremely uncharitable reading of situation. China have had full healthcare coverage for quite a while, but it was either residency-limited or job related (like in case of monocities, where there's one big company/factory that builds and maintains the whole city), and "universal healthcare" from westoids in this case related not to having universal coverage, no-no, it related to haaving free doctors for everyone anywhere. China had "free doctors for everyone in this city", in every city, but it somehow doesn't count towards universal healthcare. There was the same copium about USSR back in the days.
Today, though, China abolished residency permits of various kinds, because of availability of transport and fact of everyone moving around so much, so now they have standard health insurance, but while in the West it counts towards universal healthcare if it's Europe, it doesn't count for China.
>>2915843
ive looked into this before and at face value it seems pretty messed up but then you realize they at most get charged like 100 dollars for big things and for 90% of things its less than 10 dollars.
If you consider most countries with 'free' healthcare tax workers a higher % than what the Chinese have always paid to get the same thing, its not so bad.
>>2916186
stop trying to turn his reply into a cheap gotcha
>>2915778>scholarshipMontefiore is not a scholar. He's just a pop history writer.
>>2916233doesn't negate the point anon was making
>>2917092It's well known that the Maori were late colonizers tho
>>2917096glowies dont let facts get in the way of their anti china hysteria
>>2917092Chinese coins don't mean they settled it. It means it was part of a large trade route.
>>2904732Can people stop repeating this?
There is zero evidence of it
>>2917092weren't the polynesians originally from southern china anyway?
I do think china should annex myanmar because they seem to have had some common ancestry like 8k years ago
>>2905070I don't think anyone here bothered to listen to the clip for more than 30 seconds (can't blame them), but what he says is even more insane. he's saying that mao was a liberal that wanted china to join the liberal concert of nations, and that he betrayed the communists but it was good that he did that. and, of course, that he set the bases for the economic reforms but then he died and the communist hardliners like deng took over and that's why china is bad now
idk why but irl I'm like a magnet for this kind of mentally unwell middle-age men that want to tell you their theories about how degaulle was actually a bahaist
>>2917092This is some "Nazis go to Tibet" shit holy fuck
On September 18, the Cyberspace Administration of China issued the "Notice on Strengthening the Management of Infringing Information Concerning Enterprises and Continuously Optimizing the Online Business Environment". Here's the most imporant part in the notice (most notably 2, 4 and 5):
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source:
https://www.cac.gov.cn/2026-09/18/c_1791396347229199.htmWhat do the china stans have to say about this
>>2917377It was promised to them 8000 years ago
>>2917427But nazis did go to tibet…
>>2917803>implying everyone in the West is having sex all the time, and that there are no people who just don't have sex for years or decades>implying finding another partner is impossible, only 1 to 1 Christian paradise style marriages are possible in sex lifeLol, lmao
>>2917092mate the british met blackfellas in australia that could speak english because they learned it in singapore. history is fucking weird, and us anglophone dickheads only learn european history. the maori arrived in NZ around 1250-1300CE wheras the chinese were crossing oceans from 3000BCE.
zheng he produced nautical charts that suggest he sighted australia around that time. other explorers could have landed there but died.
>>2918135>the chinese were crossing oceans from 3000BCE.
>oceans>3000BCE>the chinesewhat
>>2918168The Chinese have always possessed teleportation technology don't you know?
>>2918168The Chinese writing system goes back in it's early form to 6000 BC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiahu_symbolsWhy do you think Chinese people cannot build boats
>>2918168yeah, the pottery of the longshan dynasty of 3000BC is all over the place including all the islands of the south china sea. we don't know how advanced they got because none of their wooden vessels survived. I didn't claim they made it to NZ in 3000BC but the archeology isn't settled, with some archeologists saying they were using dugout canoes, and some saying they were using pontoons or even more sophisticated craft made from planks.
boats are boats bro, just sailing somewhere wouldn't be a crazy anachronism like the antikythera mechanism.
>>2918242jiahu is proto writing. i did not say chinese could not build boats, i just very seriously doubt anyone was crossing oceans in 3000BCE except perhaps polynesians, but they were more like island hopping than doing sustained voyages of several months without compasses.
>>2918777>longshan dynasty>dynastyi looked it up and they were not a dynasty but a pottery culture. big difference. also pottery can move far away from its point of origin due to exchange. it does not necessarily imply a chinese national identity going back to 3000 BCE, let alone a "dynasty" that "crosses oceans."
>>2918829>jiahu is proto writingsorry, small correction, there is not yet a scholarly consensus on whether jiahu symbols were early writing or proto writing but I tend towards the proto writing camp. I am part of the mainstream that thinks sumerian cuneiform is the first writing system with strong evidence of being a full fledged writing system.
>>2918832You seem confused friend. In many respects China did in fact develop faster than the western world. They did invent many things like silk, gunpowder, woodblock printing, and crossbows. It is the specific claim of having invented writing in 6000 BCE and having "crossed oceans" in 3000 BCE that I find doubtful. In particular the characterization of the Longshan black pottery culture as a "dynasty" is ahistorical.
>>2918829ok, but the current consensus is that they were a seafaring culture.
>it does not necessarily imply a chinese national identity going back to 3000 BCEyou're running off with the goalposts dickhead. people keep trying to paint china with a colonial brush but international law and convention vacates any claim or right of return after ~120yrs (unless you're a zionazi) so it's more of an archaeological curiosity than anything that means fucking anything.
>>2918840>you're running off with the goalposts dickhead.that's odd, because I'm sure the original goalposts were
>>2918135<the chinese were crossing oceans from 3000BCE.which is an absurd claim because there is no evidence of any culture being able to cross oceans in 3000BCE
but then the goalposts got moved to
>>2918242>Why do you think Chinese people cannot build boats(which is something I never said btw)
and
>>2918840> the current consensus is that they were a seafaring culture.There's a huge difference between
"The chinese could cross oceans in 3000 BCE"
and
"various bronze age cultures inhabiting China were capable of building boats and moving their pottery around the South China sea."
The latter is completely reasonable and I never disputed it.
The former is in fact the absurd claim and the "original goalpost"
Accusing me of "running off with the goalposts" is a bit strange, I'm not sure you know what "moving the goalposts" means since I'm the one disputing the claim, not the one making it. To move the goalposts means to make an absurd claim, and then change what your claim is after receiving pushback.
>>2918844Just to sanity check your bizarrely condescending and aggressive tone I read through this summary of the history of settlement of the Pacific islands and there are examples of human settlement originating from Asia onto remote Pacific islands dating back to 1000 BC and even 2000 BC. Given this I don't see how throwing out the seafaring Chinese cultures of 3000 BC is so unreasonable as an example the maritime history of the region merely to evidence the plausibility of (and not prove) a voyage (or a chain of voyages) from what is present day China to what is present day New Zealand before the Maori got there around 1340 AD.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Pacific_IslandsThus I assert you are indeed moving the goalposts and accusing me of making claims I am not, and in addition to this violating norms of conviviality.
>>2918840> keep trying to paint china with a colonial brush but international law and convention vacates any claim or right of return after ~120yrsIndia should return the rightfully Portuguese Goa!
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>>2920005China should just fucking nuke these bugs already
>>2920158
>Japanese left
LOLOLOLOL
Next arm the Israeli "left" and act surprised when they only use them to slaughter Palestinians.
Japs, left and right, despise China. The genocide and atrocities from 1931 to 1945 were literally bi-partisan in Japan. The Japanese Left were some of the most active in the Settler colonial Manchukuo government, which oversaw Unit 731. Japan's national character at its foundation is anti-Chinese, there is no future of Japan ever reconciling with China. After 2000 years the Chinese are finally starting to figure that out, hence why China will never relinquish the right to unilaterally extinguish them.
>>2920163
Name a singular accomplishment of the JRA in Japan, aside from killing teenagers in self-criticism sessions.
>There is already multiple movements and organizations in Japan backed by leftist parties all over Asia
Like what? Chongryon is a Korean organization located in Japan, not of the Japanese.
JCP literally supports Japan's claim to Chinese territory stolen during the Sino-Japanese War.
>there are plenty of contradictions to exploit in the name of worker's liberation.
Japan will always see the solution to their economic troubles in plundering neighboring countries. Even today, as Russia, Korea, and China developed nukes for their self-defense, they still are on the militarist path, itching to restore their Imperial conquest.
Its their national culture to ignore material circumstances and devote themselves for the attack, this is called samurai honor. Not an advent of capitalism, this is their culture from the earliest records.
>>2920178
epicly meme'd response, my friend!
My father has become full chinapilled. He's a working class man who works with his hands, phoned my yesterday to whine about however he points out anything that's better in China than here (UK) his boss and others blather about 'human rights'.
>>2917803If you are a young man gender ratio in your cohort is the number one predictor of quality of life.
>>2921462How the fuck nobody in this thread ever brought this up?
Promoted by government and built together with society. Give full play to the government's roles in organizing, guiding, promoting, and modelling. The government is responsible for formulating and implementing development plans, completing regulations and standards, and fostering and supervising credit service markets.
Establishment of credit in the production field. Build production safety credit reporting systems, improve records of production safety pledges and negative production safety information, as well as systems for punishments of untrustworthy production safety conduct. Focus on coal mining, non-coal mining, hazardous chemical product, fireworks, and special equipment production enterprises as well as enterprises producing or selling civil explosives and demolition enterprises or units, in completing mechanisms for production safety credit review and evaluation at entry and withdrawal, and promote the implementation of enterprise responsibility for production safety.
Focus on food, medicine, daily consumer goods, agricultural products and farming inputs in strengthening credit management for all kinds of production operation entities' production and processing steps, and establish systems for sharing information on product quality credit information between different regions and departments. Promote the establishment of systems for credit investigation on quality, accelerating the improvement of the 12365 product quality complaint reporting and inquiries platform; establish systems for reporting on creditworthiness regarding quality, releasing a black list of the untrustworthy, restricting market entry and calling for market withdrawals.
Establishing credit in the field of circulation. Research and formulate systems for the collection and sharing of enterprise credit information in the fields of trade and logistics, improving the basic norms and index systems for credit appraisals. Advance the establishment of credit in wholesale and retail, trading and logistics, accommodation, food and drink, and residents’ services, carrying out categorized management of enterprises by credit. Improve credit cooperation models for retailers and suppliers. Strengthen law enforcement against monopolies and unfair competition, intensify investigations of acts of illegal acts such as market distortion, false publicity, commercial fraud, commercial defamation,and commercial bribery, exposing typical and major cases to increase the costs of untrustworthiness for enterprises, and to promote creditworthy business and fair competition. Gradually establish nationwide systems for tracking product circulation based on symbols such as product bar codes. Strengthen the establishment of creditworthiness systems concerning the quality of health inspection and quarantine.
>>2922198>>2903461This a woke channel
Just look at Chinese social media where men are angry and venting about this. Lol?
I'm working for Miniso now. Am I now officially helping to develop the Productive Forces™?
>>2923315<umm sweaty china identifies as right wing actually because they aren't a buncha trewn-luversahahahahahahha like they need to get a fucking grip
>China makes artificial sun<ummm sweaty nazi germany woulda did it first if it weren't for judeobolshevism sabotaging usholy cope from chuds
>>2923315>blaming election cycles for economic underperformancePfft. Bourgeois governments strive towards minimal responsibility towards their people. Hence, nobody votes in those "democracies", the most politically ware people just refuse to choose between shit and piss candidates, neither will help the people.
Communist government is people's government, vanguard party of the proletariat is in charge, therefore the illusion of lack of democracy as libs imagine it - that democracy is when many parties with 2% approval ratings, all arguing something in a parliament. That's not democracy, that's usurpation of power by parties that are extremely far away from what people want
>>2923315Social democrats recognise real
>>2923315Base-Superstructure at work. China's success is undeniable, of course people are trying to attribute it to anything but Socialism. And the best way to square the circle of capitalist propaganda with China is to say that China is also some kind of right wing reactionary state. The most dangerous avenue in my opinion to divert attention is the confucian lawyer vs engineer bullshit some diaspra cuckasian are pendling right now.
>>2923315The rats beg for a ship transfer
>>2925621>Bourgeois governments strive towards minimal responsibility towards their peopleThe exact opposite. The bourgeois do not like an unmanaged proletariat.
>Communist government is Government dedicated to the proletarian class and the development of communist society
>vanguard party of the proletariat isA concept that attempts to supplant the concept of true class dictatorship.
>>2925709>China's success is undeniably capitalist Lassallian
>>2925730If China were really capitalist it would be as poor and backwards as India is today.
>>2925730>The exact opposite. The bourgeois do not like an unmanaged proletariat.Wut. Bourgeois parliament strives towards being UNACCOUNTABLE. I have no idea where your comment came from. That's the essense of dictatorship of bourgeoisie - they always, forever and ever, create "deep state" so that people's votes never amount to anything. This makes people who do not vote the most class conscious - they just refuse to participate in a humiliation ritual, it's a type of protest voting
>>2925771>This makes people who do not vote the most class conscious - they just refuse to participate in a humiliation ritual, it's a type of protest votingthe petty bourgeoisie actually do get red meat tossed to them as a class so they are fairly class conscious when they vote, especially on local commissioners, boards, propositions, etc.
>>2902602>Maybe I'll live just long enough to see most of humanity mulched by the rich after we become worthless eaters. so… like them? Also who will they sell commodities to? Why "mulch" everyone if the whole point of developing productive forces was to be more competitive at mass producing commodities for mass consumption? Why go through the work of "mulching" everyone? Even if they wanted to be rid of us, just going Gaza mode on the entire planet seems like a difficult commitment to make when they could just mass sterilize poor populations or subsidize non-reproduction… yet the US gov. seems to move in the opposite direction, trying to make abortion and birth control illegal or at least really hard to get.
>>2925768>If China were really capitalist it would be as poor and backwards as India is today.Also, the key thing to realize is that after the founding of the USSR world imperialism was firmly against the further development of productive forces. RP Dutt noted as far back as 1935:
> It has remained for our day that all the capitalist governments of the world should meet together in the world economic conference to proclaim […] the supreme aim to restrict production and to raise prices.He then gives many examples of capitalists doing this on purpose, which they still do to this day.
We should also look to the way imperialism uses sanctions, embargoes, loans, structural adjustment programs to keep countries "underdeveloped and overexploited." 19th century imperialism made the mistake of forcing Japan out of isolation and into rapid development. once Japan became a near-peer rival of Europe after the 1905 Russo-Japanese war, the racial delusions of the Europeans were (at least partly) broken. They realized then and there that any country could become just as developed as the "civilized world". From that point onwards imperialism developed new strategies to ensure that rapidly developing nations didn't develop too rapidly, and remained junior partners and dependents of the countries developing them. A too rapid development of their productive capacity especially would make them into near peer rivals. Only in the late 20th century was the mistake of Japan repeated with China (Mao/Nixon normalizing trade) out of desperation during the 70s oil crisis.
>>2925771>Bourgeois parliament strives towards being UNACCOUNTABLEThe BOURGEOIS strives towards being unaccountable. Their parliament is a different story.
>>2922194Here in china the Bride Price has become mostly a joke. It does still have some pressure on a man to have savings before getting married, but this money is almost always returned as a gesture (also given as a gesture) or is invested into a house or a car for the couple. Its a cultural holdover without the economic purpose.
China's 'artificial sun' hits new milestone with research campus delivered for use, targets 2030 for first electricity output
China’s efforts in accelerating the transition of its nuclear fusion program from fundamental research to large scale engineering have achieved a major milestone, as the project campus of the Burning Plasma Experimental Superconducting Tokamak (BEST), which is dubbed China's "artificial sun," was officially delivered and put into use in Hefei, East China’s Anhui Province, China Central Television (CCTV) reported on Thursday.
Currently, the construction of the BEST's main machine has entered a critical "four-layer nested assembly" phase. BEST is a new-generation fusion burning experimental device independently developed by China, aiming to simulate the nuclear fusion reactions inside the sun to obtain nearly inexhaustible clean energy.
Since July this year, multiple key core components of the BEST have been delivered to the site, and assembly has progressed steadily, with tasks now more than halfway complete.
Recently, the most critical task in the construction of BEST’s main machine started – the "four-layer nested assembly." Like a giant "thermos-like barrel" nested layer by layer, the device has, starting from the innermost layer, a vacuum vessel, then a thermal shield and toroidal field magnets are wrapped around it. The final step involves installing internal precision components, according to CCTV News.
The vacuum vessel is the "furnace chamber" where nuclear fusion reactions occur, and the thermal shield acts as a super insulation layer to block heat. The toroidal field magnets are responsible for generating an ultra-strong magnetic field, firmly confining the high-temperature plasma so it does not touch the vessel walls.
According to the plan, overall construction on BEST is estimated to complete by the end of 2027, after which deuterium-tritium fusion power generation demonstrations will be conducted around 2030. The experiment will replicate the sun's principle of "shining and generating heat" on Earth, and verifying the feasibility of commercial power generation through controlled nuclear fusion.
China has steadily accelerated progress toward commercial nuclear fusion in recent years. In January 2025, the "artificial sun" project sustained a plasma temperature of 100 million C for 1,066 seconds, setting a new world record, according to CCTV News.
Also, its Experimental Advanced Superconducting Tokamak (EAST) has repeatedly set world records. On June 28, the research team confirmed with the Global Times that development acceptance and full parameter testing on the two key superconducting magnets for EAST’s fusion reactors have been successfully completed.
Upon completion, the BEST facility is expected to demonstrate fusion electricity generation for the first time in history, according to the Xinhua News Agency.
>>2926048the european union had a joint project with china and the us to build one of these. I guess all of that went nowhere and was just an excuse to leech research from the EAST project?
anyway, the one thing that makes me skeptic towards these machines is that for some reason they only turn them on for like 15 minutes per year. do they get so fucked up that they have to basically be rebuilt every time? that doesn't sound very practical
>>2926132
that's something you have to prove, not assert
but a priori I can tell you that you're wrong; there are no such vulgar and simple determinisms in marxism
>>2926141
>analogies and platitudes
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>>2926147
Convenient
>>2926147
>The Tao cannot be expressed in language retard
can anything be truly expressed in language? if someone were born blind, how do you explain to them what the word "green" means?
>>2926147
If you understood that, you'd realize that the rock is neither unmmoving nor a fixed object.
>>2926215
>A rock with nothing forming it nor nothing dissolving it is a fixed object.
And where in the universe would you find such a rock? You cannot. Your image of a still universe is itself a work of the universe in motion, of fiction of its own produced by a mind in motion. Go drink water
>>2926210>the government made by collaborators for collaborators>claims that it is going to go against pro-japanese capitalsnationalism is so pathetic holy shit
>>2918844As s Chinese, I feel I should clarify a few things. The earliest dynasty officially recognized in China is the Xia dynasty, which is dated to around 2070 BCE. Archaeologists have discovered relatively advanced urban settlements with clear social hierarchies dating to this period, which supports this account. Most archaeological sites from earlier periods, by contrast, were scattered villages.
The earliest identifiable Chinese writing system is the oracle bone script of the Shang dynasty, China's second dynasty, which began around 1600 BCE. Of course, I'd bet that China already had some rudimentary form of writing before that, the discoveries at Jiahu provide evidence of this. However, the dozens of periods of social upheaval and dynastic change in the heartland of Chinese civilization have made it extremely difficult for archaeologists to find such evidence.
As for seafaring, the Chinese probably developed their own coastal transport networks quite early, but truly largescale maritime expeditions did not come until the Qin dynasty, established in 221 BCE. Qin Shi Huang, the first emperor to unify China, sent a court practitioner named Xu Fu eastward, toward the rising sun, to search for legendary islands of immortals. Xu Fu never returned, and historians at the time believed he had died during the voyage. Some modern historians, however, have argued that he actually reached the Japanese islands and settled there, introducing various technologies from Qin China to the local population. Some early Japanese historical sources appear to support this account.
The attachment is a Chinese history textbook for the first semester of seventh grade. It covers the period from the Stone Age to around 589 CE and can help you understand how most Chinese people are taught about the origins of their civilization. You can use Google Translate to read it.
>>2926223
>There is nothing outside the universe, making it a fixed object and there is no such thing as an internal process
So says the result of an internal process.
>>2922194You could argue that present-day China is some kind of “state-capitalist” regime (although I don't personally agree, there are certainly signs of it), but claiming that China still has some sort of “feudal” character is stupid. The vast majority of harmful feudal customs were eliminated through successive reform campaigns under Mao.
Today's “bride price” is more of a new phenomenon dressed up as a feudal tradition, rooted in the skewed sex ratio and declining birth rate caused by Deng's stupid family-planning policies.
>>2926252I wouldnt call the one child policy stupid. The more I have been here the more ive thought about the positive benefits of it, largely the fact that families would invest all their efforts and resources into a single child, who would be much more capable of studying and working as a more advanced technical worker
>>2926295we might say the one child policy was a way to refine the "quantitiy" of chinese labor into "quality" labor
>>2926209>>2926197I understand what you're both talking about. You're using language to say that language can't say anything. If that's the case how come I understand what you're both saying?
>>2926215
Eventually the protons in the rock will decay, just gotta wait 10^34 years.
>>2926295It was stupid but when you realize the IMF where pushing it on China due to overpopulation fears in exchange for access to global finance capital the tradeoff makes sense given its modern day prosperity.
>>2927211>Fascists trying to claim China for themselves againKek who's going to tell him about all the woke shit like Affirmative Action, extra exam points for minorities, mandatory classes on socialism, reserved government posts for ethnic minorities, taxing richer regions to redistribute funds to poorer ones, active censorship of racial hatred, etc?
>>2927228I did mention that and he replied that he’s not against it. In fact he’s supportive of it, since China’s ethnic minorities are native to their respective lands. He said he would support policies that promote the interests of the micro-ethnic groups within his nation. Again, they also aren’t particularly hostile to socialism.
>>2927211I hate social democrats
>>2927645the starbucks bourg have infiltrated the prc and forced it's citizens to do the humiliating wagie waggle. this is the official death of the chinese socialist project.
literally unironically i am not even joking it should be against the law for an employer to be able to require his employees dance or in any way have to even pretend to be enthusiastic. and the fact that the prc has not enshrined this in law signals that they have failed. this is the failure of dengism
>>2929386The soyjak picture is correct but incomplete, it needs a soyjak next to the voting soyjak on his computer hitting post with the picture attached
I am charging the CPC with capitalism and ideological distortion, court will be tomorrow, an absence will result in further charges and longer detainment
>>2929393Like that old saying the only thing worse than being exploited by capital is not being exploited by capital.
>>2929401Tell that to the people of North Sentinel Island
>>2927645Chinese propaganda is so comically dogshit
>>2929403It's a historical fluke that no one wiped them out and put a dildo factory on top of their sacred ancient burial sites (Marxists would call the genocide historically progressive).
>>2929695anon took this from a fed twitter account that does nothing but post about how racist the USSR and China are because Kazahk and Uyghur culture are shown through clothes and music and not through killing women for disobedience or soemthing.
>>2929695If I can't silly dance, I don't want to be in your smurfin' revolution.
>>2929393The most logical explanation is that these employees feel like busting out the Dutar.
>>2927390>I did mention that and he replied that he’s not against it. In fact he’s supportive of it, since China’s ethnic minorities are native to their respective lands. … Again, they also aren’t particularly hostile to socialism.I wonder what kind of "socialism" he supports. Like, I unironically can't tell if it's a Sakaioid or Rightoid.
>>2929695I, as an Actual Socialist just like you, yearn to see the Uighurs free from CCP tyranny and have "actual self-sovereignty or agency" in an independent East Turkestan led by Totally Not ISIS.
>>2927228>Kek who's going to tell him about all the woke shit like Affirmative Action, extra exam points for minorities, mandatory classes on socialism, reserved government posts for ethnic minorities, taxing richer regions to redistribute funds to poorer ones, active censorship of racial hatred, etc?>>2929695 will probably say that it's proof that they're "smurf minorities" under the jackboot of the evil "CCP" yearning for a revolution to free them from "Chinese occupation" or "revisionism" or whatever. Of course, it'll be a fascist CIA "revolution" like the ones in Libya, Syria and the Ukraine but when do leftoids actually look at history.
>Nikolai Bukharin and the New Economic Policy (NEP)>Shift from Hardline Coercion: During the period of War Communism (1918–1921), the Bolsheviks banned private trade and seized peasant >grain, which caused production to collapse, widespread famine, and armed peasant rebellions>Bukharin initially supported state coercion in his 1920 writings, but changed his stance after witnessing the near-collapse of the regime
>The NEP Framework: Introduced by Lenin in 1921, the New Economic Policy (NEP) replaced grain requisitioning with a fixed tax in kind>Peasants owed the state a set amount and were allowed to keep, consume, or sell any surplus produce
>State Control vs. Market Freedom: While the state maintained control over the "commanding heights" of the economy (heavy industry, banks, railways, and foreign trade), small businesses, workshops, and private trade were legalised
>Grow With the Peasant: Unlike other Bolshevik leaders who saw the countryside as a resource to squeeze to fund rapid industrialisation, Bukharin argued that a wealthy peasantry would create the consumer demand needed to fund state-owned factories>He acknowledged that this path to socialism would be gradual and slow
>Downfall and Forced Collectivisation>Warning Against Adventurism: In September 1928, Bukharin warned that pouring all resources into heavy industry was "adventurism" that would sever the bond between agriculture and industry
>Defeat and Execution: Bukharin lost the power struggle to Joseph Stalin>Stalin implemented forced collectivisation, leading to the deaths of millions>In March 1938, Bukharin was forced to confess to false charges in a show trial and was executed
>Comparison with Deng Xiaoping's Chinese ReformsParallel Economic Model: In 1978, following the death of Mao Zedong, Deng Xiaoping introduced economic reforms in China that closely mirrored Bukharin’s proposals 50 years earlier
>Household Responsibility System: China replaced collective farming with household contracts requiring a fixed state quota, allowing families to retain and sell surplus yield
>Rural Demand and Markets: Small private shops, village enterprises, and dual-track pricing emerged while the Chinese state retained control over heavy industry and banking
>Theoretical Foundation: In the early 1980s, Chinese reform economists translated and studied Bukharin’s works to provide a orthodox Marxist theoretical justification for a prolonged market phase on the path to socialism
>Historical Significance & Differences in OutcomeKey Advantages in China: China’s model succeeded in pulling millions out of poverty partly because Deng established Special Economic Zones (1980) that attracted foreign capital (via Hong Kong and Taiwan), whereas Bukharin faced global economic isolation and the Great Depression of 1929
>Rehabilitation: In 1988, Mikhail Gorbachev's government officially rehabilitated Bukharin 50 years after his execution, seeking historical ideological backing for Soviet Perestroika reformshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pebuqSGsGAHoly Shit, I didn't know before that Deng Xiaoping was Nikolai Bukharin follower.
There's no way to assert China wont succumb to the same fate as SocDems for bringing back - nay, deliberately cultivating - capitalists without some mind of cultural/racial superiority argument, like Chinese people are just unqiuely incorruptable by capital or something. This is merely the illusory golden age before the rot sets in, not unlike the golden age of SocDems in the 2nd half of the 20th century.
Climate change
>>2930366Strawman. Social Democracy didnt fail over the course of a decade either, it decayed slowly and that decay is still on going. But it is happening, because the economic incentives of a capitalist economy demand it. The same will happen in China. More and more and more of the party will be made up of capitalists, or people in league with them, and they will use the socialist clotges theyve inherited to justify why they should get to keep their wealth and force 72 hour work weeks while never even offering Euro-style treats like universal welfare systems.
newfag chinanon here, Shandong is quite nice this time of year. Starting to finally get below 28C
no signs of governmental collape in sight, although I think the massive consumerist culture will, depsite party efforts, create a cosmopolitan nihilism in the youth, but with the 25-40yr being decently patritotic maybe not
>>2930363That is very retarded, as socdem countries never had established a DOTP, or a DOTParty
>>2930363You are an anglo projecting your racial spooks onto others.
>>2930379This DOTP argument has always been a strawman. Practically speaking it's impossible to have actual rule of the proletariat outside of direct democracy and direct democracy doesnt work well outside of local politics. Ergo, politics have to be delegated to a political class, and that class can either be subservient to another class (capitalists, proles, etc) or serve itself (and, indeed, it is prone to this due to being granted a monopoly on lethal force). Beyond the local level, the Chinese people have no ability to constrain the party - ergo, the political class, especially the higher echelons who get to gatekeep their own strata, serves primarily itself. And over time, you will see this self-serving increasingly involve indulging capitalists, either because a politician benefits from a given business arrangement or because the politicians themselves are capitalists and are engaging in revolving door poltics. The only way this wpnt happen is if you magically think members of the CPC are somehow by magic less corruptable abd less self interested than the rest of humanity, which….come on. Like come on. You know thats bullshit.
>>2930385regardless of these criticisms, the simple fact is that the chinese communist party, whether you think they are all apparatichiki or not, exerts real control over corporations and insitutions here. Because of this, they are not comparable to socdem countries
every Uni and corp has a party oversight department, and a conversation on the party as a "middle" or "new" class doesnt invalidate its unique position compared to the euro countries
>>2930385incredibly telling that ur idea about this country is based in "le human nature" and not on actual party interests or the partys class makeup.
the anti business reforms of the Xi Era speak to this. Your notion would require modern china to be nore capitlaistic and owner serving the Hu and Jiang years, which it isnt
The party has had a resurgence i. importnsce and in worker benefits, which we shouldbt expect at all if we just saw china as a "decaying" socialist state or a decaying political system
>>2930392While this is true, its unaccountability to the public means that capitalists are directly incentivized to get themselves into the party and increasingly fuse their two classes together, as that allows them to lock-in their economic privilege. And unless the party perceives them as enemies - ie theyre going to try to usurp the party struture itself - it has no particular reason to try to stop them, especially if letting them in would enrich the existing membership.
>>2930393What? Individual psychology is ultimately resposible for ALL actions by all people . When we talk about class interests, we are referring to people who act in concert due to common factors that influence their behaviour such that they take similar, identical, or mutually beneficial actions to each other.
>>2930397idk what you mean by unaccountability. do you mean to say that you think this country doesnt require popular support to stay affloat?
People here support the government because they genuinrly trust and see it as benefiting them. Without this youd have 1million 1989s
>>2930403actual retarded western ideology. Psychology and conciousness are products of economics, they arebt the driving force
>>2930366I love this pic so much. especially "0 days"
>>2930404What I mean is that the upper party echelons are not subject to popular oversight. Even if most people do not want them there, no non-violent mechanism exists to remove them. This inherently allows for exploitative behaviour, since people must now be willing to literally risk their lives to counter it, which is far too high a price for most people even in an extremely exploitative relationship. It is the basic reason that most human societies in most of history have been outright despots - when the price of trying to avoid exploitation is death, the level of exploitation you can subject people to before they try to stop it is vastly inceased, though exactly where that threashold is depends on other factors.
>>2930405That is factually incorrect, literally impossible.
>>2930410so you think there is no mechanism to remove officials from the party? How do you think the anti corruption campaign purges have worked?
"china doesnt have athenian direct democracy so it is inevitable to rot and decay" LMAO
Possible happening in the strait of taiwan?
>TAIPEI / BEIJING — Reports of increased Chinese naval and coast guard activity around the Taiwan Strait have raised concerns about a possible escalation in cross-strait tensions.
>Several commercial shipping operators are reportedly reviewing their routes in the region amid uncertainty surrounding the latest developments. The precise nature and extent of the Chinese activity remain unclear.
>Taiwanese authorities are monitoring the situation, with security officials assessing whether the movements represent an expansion of ongoing military exercises or a broader shift in Beijing's approach toward the island.
>>2931245Holy shit, a second nothingburger just hit the strait.
Taiwan Raises Military Alert to Level 1
>TAIPEI — Taiwan's Ministry of National Defense has raised the armed forces' readiness to Level 1 Enhanced Readiness, the highest category under its current heightened-response framework, following increased Chinese naval and coast guard activity around the island.
>>2931273
>The People’s Bank of China on Tuesday gave its approval to Visa to make preparations for a locally registered bank card clearing organisation, calling the move a major step in the country’s financial opening up in an online statement.
>During the trade negotiations ahead of the trip, both sides reached “a consensus in principle” in the field of financial services, according to China’s Ministry of Commerce, including the approval of applications from American financial institutions to establish local Chinese branches.
>Visa CEO Ryan McInerney said in a press release that the approval marked “a significant step forward in Visa’s long-standing commitment to China.
>McInerney added that “we greatly appreciate the important role of the leaders of the United States and China in pursuing a constructive and strategically stable relationship between the world’s largest economies.”Wholesome inter-superpower cooperation. EU is gonna seethe so hard.
>>2931273Probably a conditon Trump set out during private talks in exchange for something else. Cina can afford to concede on this since their own financial system can outcompte anything Visa does. It's just like how Tesla is slowly dying in China since they got raped by Chinese EV manufacturers. If Visa thinks they can outcompete the likes of AliBaba or Chinese state owned banks they're welcome to try lmao.
>>2931273this is very bad. huge step in the degradation of the controlled economy. hate to be a doomer but i thin eventually prc will have a pathetic collapse like ussr did
>>2931294The CIA fucking HATES China being more dependent on US financial institutions.
>>2931276This is an important step in socialist construction you stupid ultra chud. Being able to pay for your dancing uyghur starbucks with visa is an advance for the people.
>>2927211I think people overthink this. Most chuds are still petite-bourgeoisie at best. Class interests just make them less opposed to socialism than the rich chuds. Crazy incels are still poorfags. A working class reactionary's vision of fascism is inevitably going to be tilted towards his class POV.
>>2929401That's probably right actually.
China is just America’s third coast with Xinjiang as its new cowboy frontier
>>2933157thats an exceptionally retarded statement
>>2933318Retards are always more in touch with the deeper truths, which is why they were considered oracles and prophets in ancient times.
>>2933435>The European Union is Israel's largest overall trading partner, accounting for roughly 31.7% of Israel's total trade in goodsthe EU has an enormous amount of leverage over israeli commerce and doesn't use it. Sad!
>ban trade with Israel
<trade the same volume with "Egypt" instead, totally not being a proxy
That's what banning trade with Israel would do, chinese sellers use vietnam as a proxy, russia was also selling through one (I don't remember right now)
>>2933658your point is taken but I think frustrating trade with a genocidal regime is a good thing, because even if they ultimately get their goods through a proxy, the proxy will act as a middleman, increasing the prices, and decreasing the purchasing power of the entity.
>Recently, when covering an investment dispute between a border-area kibbutz in Israel and a Chinese investment fund, some media outlets claimed that “China prohibits investment in Israel.” >The Embassy of China in Israel has issued a clarification on this matter through Channel 12.
>After the outbreak of the Gaza conflict on October 7, 2023, China adjusted the travel risk level for areas within Israel in line with international practices. As the situation has eased, areas classified as extremely high risk (red) have been significantly reduced and are now limited to small areas around the north border and along the Gaza Stripe border.
>Strictly limiting personnel movements and economic activities in extremely high-risk areas is an international practice. >Restrictions on economic activities in small, extremely high-risk areas should not be confused with the normal economic and trade exchanges between China and most areas in Israel.
>China encourages Israeli friends to engage with us in various forms of economic and trade cooperation, and hopes that all sectors will actively safeguard China-Israel relations and play an active role in advancing bilateral friendship and practical cooperation.socialism in one apartheid in nutshell.
https://il.china-embassy.gov.cn/eng/sgxw/202602/t20260213_11857983.htm >>2933921I've been saying this: Communism is the real movement to establish Frutiger Aero.
Chinanaon here. Israel have the right to defend itself against westoid ultras and baizuos.
>>2933933America has the right to defend itself from walmart and target
>>2933921I love Ayuero Fruitegeroe
concrete jungle: >:(
concrete jungle, blue: :OOOO
>>2934299The East >:-((((
The West :-O
>>2934301The Real Movement: >:(
Revisionism: :OOO
>>2934313>>2934302Chinanon here. We Chinese marxists don't believe in the real movement like woke racist baizuo. We instead believe in the concept of 字 which means "to be having a normal one and recognise Fruitegeroe". Westoid ultra antisemites would like for us to stop trading with Israel but it goes aginst the concept of 字.
>>2934395Thank you for your wise wisdom of the east, chinaanon, i can tell you are an old soul.
>>2934400Chinanon here. 同意 (yes in chinese).
>>2902676uygha what are you talking about, how will they come back from repeated election losses on the cuck island they escaped to?
>>2934418Me but with Cuba
>>2934415I'd unironically rather have these people stay stuck in the 1970s than start simping for Taiwan independence.
>>2934519Now this is the sort of genius deduction skills that can only exist amongst those superior Orientals.
>>2934818Tokugawa Ieyasu was right to drown the catholics though
Ming dynasty was literally closer to communism than the current cpc but none of you are brave enough to admit it, china never recovered from manchu conquest let alone European imperialism and KMT mismanagement
>>2922194 彩 means ‘colored’ 礼 means ‘gift’ and the word 彩礼 means what a cis male gifts to his parents-inlaw,since u live in a state with slavery past ofc u translate into bride price. go $hot urself
>>2934297Nazi Germany is not a thing and we can put Heavy Industry later,or maybe we can import tanks!
>>2930237>>2934838Fuck i was suppose to reply that Bukharin post,my bad
Amazing how China buck breaks westoid minds.
>>2934521its more of a platonic and semantic question.
Can I call myself a chinanon because I live in china, or do i need to actually be chinese? When other people say they are chinanons, should I assume theyre chinese? Leftypol isnt banned here in china, so its possible, although unlikely to meet a genuine domestic internet commie
>>2934833being here for 3 years has made me wonder what the effects of english translation have had on the chinese language. Like the way english translates certain terms changes how chinese people think of them once they learn the english meaning.
I wonder how much of that reflects back onto the chinese ideas of things.
>>2934949>Leftypol isnt banned here in chinaEat this, chinasceptics.
>>2934833This is called a dowry everywhere else and it sometimes involves a symbolic gift exchange because these days no one takes it seriously. Not sure why people care when it happens in china
>>2934953Marxists.org is banned though. You mean to tell me that I have to get a VPN to read Capital or Gothakritik in China but shitposting with fellow brainless morons is allowed?
>>2934832China is closer to communism than any feudalist mode shitshow, just not in the way it’s supporters would like
>>2934970to read it in english*
I'm sure there are websites to read it in chinese or maybe in German to be autistic about it
>>2934981Probably at any library with a website
>>2934818nobody is asking you to stop thinking critically, they are pointing out that we have an endless supply of systemic critics and very few revolutionaries. Revolution is the real movement. The Real Movement cannot afford everyone to be Marx in the British Museum writing Capital, or Lenin giving a speech at a rally. The Real Movement requires thousands of people to accept that they are not the Next Marx, not the Next Lenin, not the genius Critic of AES that everyone needs to listen to, but instead just another Red Army conscript who dies to build 0.0000000000001% of communism
>>2934970Chinese website bans are concious and intentional choices, meaning the gov has to know the site exists and what its purpose is.
Its not that leftypol was chosen to be allowed, its more like its been overlooked.
Marxists.org has all the writings of everyone from forever, theyre probably scared of all the cult rev mao stuff more than anything else
>>2935153A trotskyist in China probably isn’t even seen as subversive
>>2933921Oh my gerd it's a fruitoregano! All glass facades are a newer style, so of course any city that didn't have a preexisting skyline is going to look like that.
I hate fucking skyscrapers. Literally just monuments to capitalism. They are just giant sky glass and concrete dildos that take up visual space that become the supposed: Character of a city. But what do they actually symbolize? A monument to private property. A reminder that most of the world is private property that you are not allowed to enter. Fuck the sky right, fuck the sunlight, I'd rather look at someone else's private property and be reminded this world doesn't belong to us.
>>2935181well a trot would be anti mao, right?
>>2935181You'd be wrong to think this. Trots in China supported imperialist Japan against China
>>2935605epic moments in trotskyst history
>>2935610Marx and Engels would support imperial Japan bringing industry to backward China, just like they supported British imperialism and Manifest Destiny.
>>2936286Japan objectively create the conditions for a progressive national revolution in China, as Mao understood. It was like Britain in India in that sense.
>>2936286Marx and Engels had a Westoid brainrot where they believed that huge supernational union states were the future. So, instead of Indian independence, they supported integration of India into British union with full rights. Lenin and Bolsheviks gave out independence to everyone who wanted it, and then rejoined on equal grounds with everyone back - it's not so different conceptually from Marx or Engels
>>2936315>Marx and Engels had a Westoid brainrot where they believed that huge supernational union states were the future.They are. States are bigger than they've ever been in human history, and if humanity survives there will eventually be a single world government, a single system of laws, a single lingua franca, etc. Why? because it's practical, and "Muh culture Muh ethnicity Muh nationality" is just identitarian brainrot that only serves an aesthetic function. literally civilization began in Anatolia, Mesopotamia, Egypt, Greece…. basically places at the crossroads of the 3 old world continents. Trade makes nations powerful, especially tech trade. The chinese invented gunpowder and the indians invented base 10 numerals. but europeans became global hegemons by actually using them. turns out ideas aren't some ethnic cul de sac, they spread around. good thing too. who wants to be a teutonic barbarian with a stone axe for eternity. oh but mvh people, mvh pagan gods, mvh sacrifices, mvh mud huts, mvh sonnerad… FUCK THAT SHIT
FACT: I would support Japan having annexed China if it had had a civilization-state model, but alas, its a thalassocratic civilization.
>>2936347>thalassocratic weren't they famously very isolationist, anti-trade, and not very adventurous with their boats? even today they seem to be occupied by the burger navy more than doing anything of any naval significance on their own. their most ambitious naval attack was suicide bombing burgers in hawaii lol
>>2936345You don’t get it, different languages produce different structures of thoughts and not all words or even concepts have direct translations between every language
>>2936347the japs have always been obtologically evil bro no need to perform apologia for them
>>2936345Yes just like how 19th century France centralized and constructed the French national identity, instituted public schools, taught everyone French, and wiped out the tiny cultures on the periphery. It's working out great for them.
>>2936361>It's working out great for themIs it tho? Looks like Le Pen is going to win the next election solely on the basis of scapegoating immigrants. None of the problems Macron and the others caused will be fixed. She'll be another Meloni. All that nationalistoid propaganda enabled was for finance capital to continue to rape the country so long as the rapists in charge said edgy things about Africans.
>>2936315And they were right btw. Every country that is relevant these days is some kind of multiethnic supernational blob. And we will make the super communist blob when China presses the communism button in Xi's office
>>2936345>States are bigger than they've ever been in human history, This was natural evolution for states as larger population meant larger armies that would beat smaller armies by smaller states. But now that warfare is being automated large populations are no longer necessary in order to sustain a powerful army. This could mean that states will shrink in size again as there is no longer a military advantage in having a large population.
>>2934395>We Chinese marxists You are absolutely not
>>2934833>>2934950>>2934969Should've posted the timestamp to the video. I just mean the concept and how it has become a serious problem in China. From what I've read they abolished it during the cultural revolution (or prior?) but it re-emerged during the market reforms and has developed to this point. AFAIK in Taiwan it exists too but is mostly symbolic.
I'm not talking about the linguistics or whetever such exists in other countries more about how widespread it is and if it's a major sum or just a symbolic gift.
how did the "rustbelt" in china's northeast develop? by that i mean i'm confused as to why china would let an industrialized area decay?
was it not competitive enough with the industry in coastal chinese provinces like guangdong, shandong, jiangsu and zhejiang? and if yes what were the reasons for this discrepancy?
>>2936347According to Dugin, Japan was mainly Tellurocratic until 1945, but its old Tellurocratic soul still exists.
Political authority in Japan historically always laid with the landholders who controlled the Kanto, Osaka, and Nobi Plains, most of Japanese history is land-warfare. Even when the Portuguese came in with their massive trade routes, this was just a way for daimyo to have more resources to conquer those alluvial plains. When they tried to establish a navy they got buttblasted by Admiral Yi.
The Chinese are just raping everyone on twitter and it's beautiful to witness.
<In China, General Secretary Xi Jinping has opened a meeting of the Communist Party’s Central Committee in Beijing. Around three hundred high-ranking members of the Central Committee are taking part.
<According to state media, the goals of the meeting, designated the Fifth Plenary Session, include reducing corruption and increasing efficiency.
<The Central Committee meeting will last until Thursday. It is being held behind closed doors, and little information about its decisions is expected before the final day.
<The meeting serves as an important milestone ahead of next year’s Party Congress, where the 73-year-old Xi is expected almost certainly to be elected to a historic fourth term.
<Xi has waged a campaign to root out corruption for more than a decade. Thousands of officials have been dismissed and convicted, among them dozens of Central Committee members.
<The president, however, is still not satisfied with how his orders are being implemented. Ahead of the Party Congress, state media published excerpts from a speech Xi gave in January, in which he criticized “two-faced officials who appear to obey the central authorities but inwardly resist them, and who succumb to individualism and political opportunism.”http://english.scio.gov.cn/topnews/2026-07/30/content_118626007.htmlhttps://news.cgtn.com/news/2026-10-21/Why-China-s-upcoming-5th-plenum-of-20th-CPC-Central-Committee-matters-1RovcUWleU0/p.html China anon here: Unlike woke racist Baizuo, Frutiger Aero is so nostalgic it's like back then was like, the past or something.
>>2940018>According to Duginwho the fuck cares about that schizo retard
>>2940235of course the woke western left thinks that white people are entitled to dictate to the Chinese masses how their socialism, won due to their revolutionary struggle, should function.
>>2940271Stop being the pusherman for America’s population of hoarders then, until then you’re just another drug dealer
>>2940271>of course the woke western left thinks that white people are entitled to dictate to the Chinese masses how their socialism, won due to their revolutionary struggle, should function.glad you understand i am imposing, rather than suggesting, entirely external and objective truths that apply to all the living and dead of china's revolution whom, previous to my enlightenment, couldn't and never have approached my conclusions individually, let alone in even their thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions! for their mistake is much the same- uniform, equally liable, transhistorical, in that order. deng xiapoing, jiang qing, bo xilai, wang huning, luasan, qiao, all obviously have and would've arrived at "their socialism"- a word historically devoid of international qualities, or any qualitative meaning, really- because it's all one big mass of… chinese! as i am of one big mass of… indian! as you walked the long march, i soaked the gangeatic plain in 1857 in baizuo blood, generations before their moids and daughters would join their bds student society
A shame I had to educate you, it's not really my job to do so. I deem you all, now, worthy of cutting ties with Israel and decommodifying. Are there any other spooky ghosts you'd like me to introduce all 2.6 fucking billion of you to?
https://chinesemarxism.org/index.htmlSomeone made a site to more easily access articles by the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences
>>2934395 你他妈百分百不是中国人，而且不可能是马克思主义者
>>2931519>>2933157>American leftists stop being retarded challenge literally impossible
>>2940008 that is a complicated question
in 1960 we start the "3th line" porgram many factories move to hinterland
and in 1980s refom and opening destroy state-owned enterprises in north cn the economy Key point move to south east coastal ,however noreast still prospered fo a while by trade with south korea.
in planing economy years noreast worker kowen by there high quality and education level,but befor RO the policies are tilted towards the south , the logic of market and planing is differ: planned obsolescence ,cutting corners,ignoring laws when it comes to pollution, clans sticking together and colluding,smuggling make southenrners make more profit.losses in NE caused more and more people are leaving their hometowns :( 4exp:my mom
she get job in beijing and married my dad here
Northeaster's hometown is a wounds in the heart they love there but no one stay there,when it's mentioned on the Chinese internet, it's usually in connection with Tragic literature, regional discrimination against Southerners, and streamers acting crazy on tiktok.
>>2940008>>2940697Catch a bug “egional discrimination from Southerners”
southerners in likely the MAGAs:hate notheners,hate communism,love US and privet companies so they always attak northeners they say we'r not Han chinese(or not pureblood Han chinese)
but that no suprised at all cause there are many Small business owner there, in guangdong there many right wing asshole worship ming dynesty emperor ,Chiang Kai-shek as an idol.
>>2935457Certainly not going to withstand climate pressure
>>2936286死在日本人集中营里的中国人比1939年世界上所有犹太人加起来都多你个法西斯狗畜生
>>2936286中国引入工业化早他妈从清朝被英国侵略就开始了，日本畜生的穷鬼帝国主义在中国除了掠夺资源就是进行系统性的种族灭绝和奴役。
和日本侏儒比起来希特勒这个只有半个睾丸的阴险下作的小人都算道德高尚的人道主义者。
你这个抽大麻抽到大脑萎缩的白皮猪
>>2936347看日本动漫看多了导致你这样的，anime强奸大脑的loser
你既不了解日本 也不了解中国 你在没有互联网墙的情况下却在信息茧房里活成这样 真可悲
Chinanon here: He who swallows a whole coconut has complete trust in his anus.
>>2940147Art Deco and Art Moderne are supreme
>>2940712man who fucked fire will burn his pines
>>2940718rise a fire and fuck it your penis will grilled as a hot dog sausage
>>2940707Stupid Moralism.
Objectively speaking, the holy and sacred Great Japanese Empire and the benevolent Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere lifted China from backwardness, Marx spoke of this. This is why Lenin favored Japan to win over China.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2940740德国殖民中国青岛：建造了现代下水道系统、医院、学校、火车站、大学、工厂和整个山东省最好的啤酒，建立了义务教育系统和基本劳动福利
日本在第一次世界大战从德国手上夺取青岛后：除了杀人和抢劫以外什么都没做
>>2940740日本并未“将中国带出落后”，相反日本几乎摧毁了英美等资本主义国家客观上带给中国的所有进步成果而用更为落后和野蛮的东西代替了他们。
日本唯一做到的就是无耻的掠夺和暴行塑造了中国的国族认同。
>>2940748The greatest mind of Chinese Marxism says that Socialism is Bismarckian welfare?
You need to read more Marx. Communism is beyond your current understanding.
>>2940740当日本发动入侵ROC的战争时列宁已经死了7年了，即按更早的日本人在中国东北制造恐怖袭击刺杀了当时的中国国家元首–张作霖大元帅开始计算,列宁也已经去世4年
>>2940751>>2940748All true but Mao literally said the Japanese invasion was necessary to break and humiliate and grind down the KMT such that half of it was willing to go with Soon Qing Ling and join the PLA in the regime change operation. Students were far too mean to her and Deng Xiaoping’s son during the GCPR, but without him in a wheelchair, China wouldn’t have made a lot of gains for its disabled demographic. Progress is an ugly, traumatic thing often.
>>2940754我从来没说俾斯麦式的福利是社会主义，我用的词是“最基本的劳动福利”，（看起来你没接受过良好的教育导致你连机翻的英文都看不懂），因为德国人起码还当个人，而日本人完全连人都不是
>>2940757Communism has literally NOTHING to do with liberal human rights, any of that trash. Marxism is not liberalism. You are distorting Marxism. Japan was a beacon of progression in the truest Marxist sense.
>>2940757That’s because Chinese are lighter skinned than Namibians, who were the first colonized population to endure Holocaust style death camps (I refuse to acknowledge Boer “oppression”)
>>2940756because the anti japs war made chinese saw how chiang kai-shek folish and useless
>>2940758I can’t wait for Childhood’s End by Arthur C Clarke to be real so I can hear your excuses for them
>>2940758那我只能希望日本人去你的国家实现他们的“进步了”
>>2940760And in the end, that was necessary for the whole people to come over to Mao’s side or at least be apathetic about Chiang’s permanent tropical vacation
>>2940762The good news is this is impossible for Japan to ever repeat as they are all either geriatric, suicidal, or geriatrically suicidal
I don’t get drinking beer out the big plastic bag, I like Snow and I like Tsingtao, but surely a can or a bottle would both keep the beer cold as you’re walking down the street and be easier to dispose of and recycle, no?
>>2940763但日本试图给中国和朝鲜半岛带来更反动的生产关系和政治制度也是事实
>>2940770Along with the rest of the pacific, Thailand included though it’s technically on the Enemy State’s list at the UN. It’s really bullshit because France was also an Axis Power for most of the war after suffering an invasion.
>>2940768因为大塑料袋便宜，而且可回收，这种材料很容易做成聚酯纤维或者尿袋（装颜色差不多的液体）
同样溶积的啤酒喝完之后带着塑料袋回商店比拉小推车运玻璃瓶轻松
>>2940772Fair enough, you can’t really recycle a can after crushing it, at least not at the recycling machines at the grocery stores that give you small amounts of money for doing so
>>2940770The Chinese really fail to understand Marxism… this is why they had to be led by the Japanese.
The Japanese-imposed Kabo reforms was objectively historically progressive. This is a fact if you accept Marxism, but it seems the Chinese don't know what Marxism is, very sad, oh so sad!
"Reactionary" means more than "international law", "rules-based order", "open society institutions", etc.
Japan simply wanted the unfolding of the historical dialectic, and was brave enough to ignore the nonsense of liberal "international law", "human rights", "democracy", and other trash to that end. And the Chinese resent them to this day for this, make it make sense!
Zhukov: "We have liberated Europe, but they will never forgive us for it."
(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST) >>2940763>>2940778>>2940778日本当时实行的是普鲁士式的军国主义和德意志第二帝国的二元君主立宪制，而日本人来到中国后广泛和本地的地主、封建势力合作如果你觉得扶植封建势力都不算反动那你赢了
是什么让你觉得你比一个靠物理学和政治学成绩考上大学的中国人更懂唯物史观？
>>2940784So this is the star-pupil of Chinese Marxist education! Oh how lamentable, truly sorrowful! This state of affairs is most unfortunate indeed.
>>2940788Do you have anything in your heart besides smugness and a desire to put a baby through a bayonet?
>>2940784I’m not the guy calling Imperial Japan progressive in a direct sense, at best you can say they accidentally created progress through incompetence and exposing the KMT as unworthy to rule
>>2940789You are distorting Marxism with moralism.
>>2940788中国有句古话“夏虫不可语冰，井蛙不可语海”，意思是夏天的虫子不知道什么是冬天，你不能和他们讨论冰块；生活在井底的青蛙不知道大海是什么，你不能和他们谈论海浪。
它告诉我们不要在和愚蠢的人争论对错上浪费口舌，你这种目光短浅、愚蠢且狂妄自大的家伙是朽木无法被雕琢成器物和艺术品。我懒得再与你争辩
>>2940797If Marxism endorses the activities of Unit 731 then I am a full, proud, open anti marxist.
>Ok so Mao Mao'd, right? Then Deng Deng'd….Hhhow do we move from there?
Idk bro, do I look like Mao or Deng? Mao and Deng were geniuses, I'm just an average commie prole.
>We kill the CPC, then revive them into immortal beings via Juche necromancy…which just struck again the other day so the mojo is still fresh.
Maybe we're in over our heads here?
>>2940813Please put down the drugs, you’ve clearly gone too far with them
>>2940778>The Japanese-imposed Kabo reforms was objectively historically progressive. This is a fact if you accept Marxism,true
>Japan simply wanted the unfolding of the historical dialectic, and was brave enough to ignore the nonsense of liberal "international law", "human rights", "democracy",>this is why they had to be led by the Japanese.incoherent determinist spookbabble
What's some essential /CHINA/ books to read as so to help understand today's China?
>>2940788your prose isn't subtle enough to not come off like you actually believe
>>2940384 but are instead being hyperbolic to make a point
>>2934838i'd be more convinced of this earnest 3 moves ahead shit if stalin didn't let his entire airforce be destroyed on the ground day fucking one of the invasion because he thought Adolf Hitler would keep to his word
>>2940886Red Sorghum
The Republic of Wine
The Three Body Problem series
Dream of the Red Chamber
>>2940886just reading chinese language journals like lausan, chuang and qiao can give you a wider range of perspectives than most sinology or huning-esque a chud's guide shit
>>2940886das kapital by karl marx
Was it widely remarked in 2023 that the PRC had lasted longer than the USSR? 74 years. 1917+74=1991 … 1949+74=2023.
>>2940196good thing I already gave a quality answer here and you can safely ignore the inferior reply:
<weren't they famously very isolationist, anti-trade, and not very adventurous with their boats? even today they seem to be occupied by the burger navy more than doing anything of any naval significance on their own. their most ambitious naval attack was suicide bombing burgers in hawaii lol >>2940989fuck you and your slop
>>2941056NTA but do it by hand, you'll take 6 hours + 3 breaks to eat, I used to colorize B&W photos for fun back in the 00s
>>2941099If you don't paint it in oil canvas its a slop
>>2941040ACP's bumpkin nonsense. Chairman Mao holds an extremely important position in the minds of Chinese people (especially the elderly who lived through that era). Apart from the right-wing bastards in the gutters and Chiang Kai-shek's sex slaves.
>>2941040Mbappe didn't even name Mao, they just assumed it to be Mao rather than Chiang Kai-shek, Yuan Shikai, really any number of Chinese dictators.
>>2941140burgerville raped itself and sloughed off its own culture for greater scams and higher profits. The great satantic burger was founded on financial scams and continues to be the longest running one in human history.
>>2940797>implying marxism is amoralread the anti-duhring
>>2936286>implying marx supported imperialismhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1857/01/23.htmwe have a guy that learned marxism through tweets going out of his way to belittle maybe the only chinese poster we have with this nonsense. the mods here have reached new levels of incompetency
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