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You'll never live like common people
You'll never do what ever common people do
Never fail like common people
You'll never watch your life slide out of view
And then dance, and drink, and screw
Because there's nothing else to dooo
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>>2912317
This isn't real, it's just the torygraph wildly exaggerating in the title and lying. Scotland, Wales and occupied Ireland are meeting in Cardiff to pursue devolution together (it's really funny that the DUP woman is coming to this). Andy Burnham is not involved at all despite a photo of him being attached lmao. The government is still against things like a second referendum for Scotland. This is a complete nothingburger. Westminster won't ever let the British Empire dissolve.

>>2912815
It is a nothingburger this time, but not for the reason people online seem to be holding on to, I.e “there’s low public support for independence/dissolving the UK”. The USSR had pretty low support for its own dissolution and yet it happened anyway. It only really takes a faction in London that thinks everything outside of London is dead weight to take charge and we could see the end of the UK, but it’s not like there’s anyone currently in Westminster who thinks everything outside of the M25 is an irrelevant pain in the arse to govern? Right?


In the room where women come and go, talking of Michaelangelo

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Landback!

>>2912834
Cornwall is not included. Sad!

>>2911728
>what is actually true is that it's cheaper to fly abroad and stay in a foreign hotel than it is for a UK resident to rent a cottage
That is also the case for most of France.
>>2912849
While i could understand anti-normand sentiment given their descendents are still uber rich and own all the land this celtic & anglo-saxon identity thing is really gay. It makes me think of bretons in France but unlike anglos & celts Bretons actually got fucked over pretty recently in the early 1900s and didnt benefit much from France's wealth until the 1960s or so.

>>2912852
Wales and Cornwall are the poorest countries in Western Europe apart from Portugal (which has a similar literacy rate to Syria).

Thoughts?

?

>>2912874
I can't tell if it's AI or not.

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>>2912880
ive seen this before its old and pre-AI, and also happens to be one of the funniest things to ever happen

>>2912884
the alba guy is right make it BRICS (S for SCOTLAND, I for IRELAND)

>>2912956
C for Cymru too

Faust? Play along.

>>2912874
Seen basically this at parties a dozen times with lads off of their head on coke egging eachother on.

Ugly as sin? You'll see.

>>2912874
this is russia, why do we have it in here

BRICS
Breizh, Rheged, Ireland, Cymru, Scotland

For those not in the know Rheged was the name of the most significant Kingdom of the Hen Ogledd, the Old North, roughly located around modern day Cumbria and Galloway.

English shitbag tries to stir up shit in Glasgow. Gets physically removed by a pensioner.
The shop is Calton Books.

>>2912812
>this isn't just ethnic based btw, some of the shittiest, trashiest (literally) areas of London are very white)

In other words, the UK is turning into the American south before desegregation. People forget how, despite Jim Crow, the US south used to be really poor, to the point that it took a century after the American civil war for the region to catch up to the north.

And, “coincidentally”, the ancestral stock of the average white American southerner are the British. I’ll admit that I, a non-Brit European, am taken aback by how thuggish and impulsive the British “gammon” (as you call them) can be, reminds me of the sectarian violence from third world countries.

Not sure if it’s the Anglo vs Norman divide, or that the British isles are the wigger-Stan of North-western Europe, but I don’t think things will get better for you comrades as the competency crisis and the lumpenisation of even middle-class white Brits contributes to a further decline of Britain.

>>2911990
Sadly, looks like the days of Weimar-era street fighting will commence as the current Labour government has chosen to deputise these fascist turds by default. I don’t expect things to get better as the latest rounds of explosion in the Arabian peninsula will hike inflation in a major creep, and Britain will be more severely affected than America since the UK practically imports everything.

>>2913318
It is in some ways a very inegalitarian thought, but I sincerely believe Britain has been subject to negative selection effects.
That is: all the good Britons emigrated. The open-minded ones, the ones who had it in them to hope for a better life, the ones who'd take a risk on making things better rather than just wallowing in their misery. That leaves behind born-to-rule twats and born-to-suffer serfs.

(The catch here is it wouldn't explain American southerners being crazy - it only explains why Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and most of America are better or at least less bleak. It can explain Americans being crazy - all the crazy people of the world who'd gamble on a better life emigrated there. - but that can't explain why CANZ are so normal. Australia also complicates things because we sent criminals there… But perhaps the selection effect is through the mere act of having things changed, rather than anything genetic.)

a funny one: the "LGB Alliance" astroTERF charity has a PDF report about how LGB people hate being called queer, with massive numbers (70-90%) saying it makes them uncomfortable. wow, those faggots really are annoying the silent majority of normal gay people!
the methodology? a google forms survey e-mailed to the LGB Alliance mailing list…

sometimes it's painful how obvious people make it that they're acting in bad faith. like, it wouldn't be hard to do a YouGov survey with skewed questions to get the answers you want, but no. we asked Labour party members who they'd like to win the next election, and you won't believe this but 95% said Labour… Burnham is so back.

>>2913290
English, or Jewish?
This is not even passive-aggression, like we'd normally expect.

Labour hypocrisy.

Small village to hold independence referendum today.
Not just the UK, but England is breaking up.
Cornish independence, when? Northumbria?

>>2913475
It’s incredible how feminist theory and far-right praxis have dominated British politics in the past 40 decades, to the point that appealing to wymyn’s gooncerns is enough to pass ANY law. It’s gotten to the point that even tradcucks in the yookay have to appeal to bourgeois feminism to push their agenda.

Even that referendum is being pushed via pink washing of moralistic anti-immigration slop. Like, I’m not gonna deny that bringing in a +1k strangers near a village of 400 will cause obvious concerns and economic issues, and yet I’ve yet to see anyone address how this slop is pushed via moralfagging about sex crimes even doe those are less common than petty ones. It’s clearly moralistic, this framing, despite the evidence for a link between asylum seekers and sex crimes being pretty tenuous and inconclusive.

So this brings the question: Could the British left make massive gains if they simply had legions of middle-aged or young-ish middle-class white British foids (single moms or not) bitching and moaning both IRL and online about how they feel unsafe at the sight of fascist thugs like Danny Tommo’s paramilitary least they get sexually assaulted?

>>2913486
>It’s clearly moralistic, this framing, despite the evidence for a link between asylum seekers and sex crimes being pretty tenuous and inconclusive.
You seem to be spindling apologetic conjecture. Read:
<Data from the Ministry of Justice (MoJ), obtained by the the Centre for Migration Control think tank under freedom of information laws, has revealed that 26% of 1,453 sex assault convictions on women last year [2024] were foreign nationals […] While accounting for 26% of sexual assault convictions last year, foreign nationals make up 10.9% of the population. More than a fifth of all rape convictions last year were also foreign nationals.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/foreign-nationals-quarter-sexual-assault-convictions-rpXpd_2/
So, foreign nationals are overrepresented in sexual crimes.
The concerns are thus validated by empirical evidence.

>>2913491
Fine, reactionary feminist, I’ll bite your bait.

Sure: there is evidence of overrepresentation of foreign nationals in some sexual-offence conviction categories. I’m not disputing that. What I’m disputing is the much broader conclusion you’re trying to smuggle out of that statistic.

The available data don’t establish that asylum seekers or recent migrants are responsible for the disparity, nor do they establish its causes. “Foreign national” isn’t synonymous with “asylum seeker”, “recent migrant”, or even “foreign-born”. And a conviction statistic obviously isn’t the same thing as a statistic for offences actually committed.

More importantly, you’re taking a conviction statistic for one legally defined offence category and rhetorically treating it as though it were a statistic about rape or sexual offending generally. Under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, sexual assault is a separate offence from rape and assault by penetration, and covers a range of non-consensual sexual touching. So when you say “sexual crimes” or imply “rape”, you’re already broadening what the underlying statistic actually measures.

Then there’s the denominator. Comparing “26% of convictions” with “10.9% of the population” isn’t a controlled offending-rate calculation. Sexual offending is heavily concentrated by age and sex, so you would at minimum want to compare appropriately age- and sex-adjusted populations rather than treating every person in Britain as equally exposed to the risk of committing this particular offence. You also need to distinguish nationality from birthplace.

And this is where your per-capita argument doesn’t actually do all the political work you’re trying to make it do.

Yes, if foreign nationals are 10.9% of the relevant population but 26% of convictions in this particular category, that potentially demonstrates overrepresentation. I’m not disputing that. But overrepresentation and absolute contribution are different things.

Your own source says that 72.6% of the known convictions in this category involved people whose nationality was recorded as UK, England, Scotland or Wales. Obviously that doesn’t prove British nationals have a higher per-capita offending rate; they’re a much larger population. But it does demonstrate why “26% foreign nationals” cannot simply be turned into “foreigners are responsible for Britain’s sexual-violence problem.”

The same basic point applies to the broader demographic picture. The 2021 Census found that roughly 77% of the population fell into the White British, White Irish, or Gypsy/Irish Traveller categories, although obviously ethnicity and nationality are not interchangeable variables. The point isn’t that this proves anything about offending rates. It’s that a minority group’s disproportionate representation in a particular dataset doesn’t automatically make that group the principal source of the underlying social problem.

You can have a population that has a substantially higher per-capita offending rate while the much larger population still accounts for the majority of offences. Those propositions aren’t contradictory.

And that’s why “per capita” isn’t a magic trump card. Per-capita rates are useful statistics and genuine disparities are worth investigating. But a per-capita disparity does not, by itself, establish the cause of the disparity, the absolute contribution to total offending, the appropriate policy response, or the efficacy of an immigration restriction.

Most importantly, none of this means the disparity isn’t real. It means that the statistic establishes a much narrower proposition than the one you’re trying to derive from it:

foreign nationals appear to be overrepresented in this particular conviction dataset.

It does not establish:

foreign nationals committed 26% of sexual assaults; asylum seekers are responsible for the disparity; recent immigration caused it; particular ethnic or religious groups are inherently sexually dangerous; or therefore a particular immigration policy is justified.

Those are additional claims requiring additional evidence.

And there’s an even more basic point about the victim. The per-capita rate is an epidemiological statistic, not a description of an individual’s experience. If a victim is sexually assaulted by a white British man, telling them that some other demographic has a higher per-capita conviction rate obviously doesn’t make their experience less real or less serious. The relevant policy question is what actually reduces victimisation—not which demographic can most effectively be constructed as a political threat.

If someone wants to argue that immigration restriction would reduce sexual offending, they need to establish the causal chain:

immigration → additional offending → measurable increase in victimisation → restricting immigration → measurable reduction in victimisation.

A disparity in conviction shares doesn’t establish that chain.

This is the part I object to politically. The far right takes a real but narrowly defined disparity, strips away the legal and statistical qualifications, turns “foreign nationals” into “migrants/asylum seekers/BAME men”, and then presents the resulting threat narrative as though the entire causal and policy argument were contained in the original statistic.

It isn’t.

The disparity may be real. The story you’re telling about what it means is not contained in the statistic.

If you want to argue for a particular immigration policy, then argue for it. But don’t pretend that “26% of convictions in one statutory category” is itself the argument. It isn’t.

>>2913491
Bold of you to accuse someone else of engaging in apologia, then spuriously cite information against foreigners to justify a prejudice against asylum seekers specifically.

Purely to annoy you: even if this information was true, it would not on the face of it strictly constitute empirical evidence. Sexual assault is notoriously a "he said, she said" crime, so we cannot rule out the possibility that all this reflects is a massive under-conviction of native Britons (who get away with it because juries prefer "he said") while foreigners are convicted more frequently. We also cannot rule out the possibility that foreigners primarily assault other foreigners, which would similarly invalidate native "concerns." Finally: when you look into the actual numbers they are almost comically paltry. No foreign nationality committed more than 38 assaults or 10 rapes, in a country of nearly 70 million people. The percentages are scary but the actual chances are laughable: you're as likely to die from being stung by a bee as you are to be raped by a Romanian and you're as likely to die of Carbon Monoxide poisoning as you are to be assaulted by an Indian - but we've not brought the whole country to a screeching halt while we install detectors in every home and we've not issued everyone with EpiPens just in case.

For those who want something closer to my actual gut view: this - and any other stats showing disproportionate migrant crime - is almost purely a function of age. Less than half of the UK-born population is between 25 and 64, while 72% of immigrants are 20-64. It's far easier for a 30 year old bloke to assault someone than a 90 year old.

>>2913533
You wrote this:
>the evidence for a link between asylum seekers and sex crimes being pretty tenuous and inconclusive.
You are wrong. That is all that's been proven.
Thus, local concerns have an actual foundation.
>>2913537
>information against foreigners
If it's a fact, then it has no further value than to counter false claims.
Anon made false claims, and I corrected them. That's all.
>if this information was true
But it is true. If you deny it, you are choosing to lie to yourself.

Is it me or are there a lot more young lads fishing? Especially from Canals? Saw a fella on the way home with a yankee brim and a set of headphones just doing it at 5pm in the middle of Manchester. Fair play to him just feels new.

Conservatism is a mental illness that is a co-morbidity with old age and dementia.

>>2913626
Extremely idealist analysis.
You are treating politics as ideology and not as class interest.
Older people are typically wealthier, so seek to preserve it.

>>2913627
Yes I do know this and I agree, I just wanted to post my disdain for conservatives who I do think should be barred from things like being around children.

>>2913630
But you are again assigning primacy to ideas, not circumstance.

>>2913635
omfg what is this retarded semantics shit you know what I mean. Would you rather I say "I hate the reactionary portion of the petit-bourgeois"


>>2913646
Interesting.
As soon as you deny aesthetic sublimity, you lose your morale.
Cosplay is the only effective form of politics.

>>2913605
But that’s literally my point.

You say “that is all that’s been proven,” while your original argument was that the empirical evidence validates “local concerns” about immigration and sexual crime.

Those are not the same proposition.

At most, the data establish that foreign nationals are overrepresented in certain sexual-offence conviction categories. They do not establish that asylum seekers are responsible for that overrepresentation, because “foreign national” ≠ “asylum seeker”. They don’t establish that recent immigration caused it. They don’t establish the magnitude of the effect after controlling for age, sex and population composition. And they don’t establish that the appropriate response is to restrict immigration or asylum.

So you’re moving from:

>Foreign nationals are overrepresented in this conviction dataset.


to:

>Therefore local fears about asylum seekers and sexual crime have been empirically validated.


That is the inference I am disputing.

And even granting your formulation that “local concerns have an actual foundation,” that’s an extremely weak claim. Almost any fear can have some empirical foundation without the particular causal or policy conclusion people draw from it being justified.

If a village has 400 people and 1,000 newcomers arrive, there can obviously be legitimate concerns about housing, infrastructure, employment, policing, social cohesion, etc. Those are empirical questions. But if someone specifically invokes sexual offences as the justification for opposing those newcomers, they need to demonstrate that the newcomers actually increase sexual victimisation and that the proposed immigration policy would reduce it.

A conviction-share statistic doesn’t establish that.

And this is particularly important because the statistic you’re citing isn’t even “sexual assaults committed by asylum seekers.” It’s convictions in a particular statutory category, classified by nationality. You’re adding asylum status, causation, recent migration, population risk and policy prescription to the original statistic.

So yes: if your claim is merely “there is some evidence of a disparity,” we agree.

If your claim is “therefore the broader anti-immigration sexual-crime narrative is empirically validated,” then no—that conclusion still hasn’t been demonstrated.

You’re essentially saying “only X has been proven” and then asking me to accept Y because X exists. That’s precisely the inferential leap I’m objecting to.

Your LBC article talks about “foreign nationals” more broadly; it doesn’t establish that asylum seekers are responsible for the disparity, which is the claim I’m challenging. “Foreign national” and “asylum seeker” aren’t interchangeable categories. So yes, you’ve shifted the goalposts.

https://searchlightmagazine.com/2026/09/patriot-platform-blackshirts-launch-anti-migrant-patrols-in-manchester-city-centre/

The blackshirts are making their move in Manchester, intentionally targeting migrant boroughs and LGBT+ neighbourhoods. No doubt they’ll also target so-called “white lefties” and “white liberal women”.

Stay safe my bros, because I can tell you for sure the police either is unwilling or doesn’t have enough resources to deal with fascist street brawlers and former convicts.

>>2913605
It's not a false claim. If I say that people on student visas are all rapists, I cannot cite data about foreigners in general to prove that point without enumeration. Most of these foreigners - and you know this without citation - are not on student visas. Why, then, should we take for granted that this data tells us anything about asylum seekers, especially when the countries with the highest ranking for rape and assault are not those we generally issue asylum from?

It is in a tautological sense true that the information itself is truly what the information is, but that is different to it reflecting material reality. As I pointed out: if it simply reflects a higher conviction rate for foreigners, then it does nothing to justify a fear of foreigners over natives.

>>2913626
Fact

>>2913627
Polling is pretty clear it correlates much more strongly with age and undesirable personality traits than with material interest.
And in any case, every bourgeois party governs in the bourgeois interest. The rest is flavouring.

>>2913635
No, primacy is to personal traits and conditions, of which class is only one. Scots drinking Irn Bru is not a class issue, nor is scum voting Reform.

>>2913646
Which side do I back if I want all the reactionary ones locked up in prison for being cringe?

So how serious is this talk of the UK's dissolution? If Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland were to all declare independence simultaneously I doubt there's much London could do about it. The question is are they serious, and do they have enough institutional and popular support in their respective countries to pull if off?

>>2913661
So this article is slightly BS. Deansgate and Castlefield is not an "LGBT and migrant neighbourhood" it is where all the Deanos go clubbing. There is like one LGBT club and it is mostly full of straight women. It is kinda telling they went there tbh.

>>2913695
Not very. Ireland is in no state to Unify (even if the political will is there in the North), the SNP are bitchmade and couldn't push independence if there was a 70-30 majority for it, and Plaid got into government less than 6 months ago and are more focused on proving themselves than a separation they know they aren't ready for.

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>>2913690
>the countries with the highest ranking for rape and assault are not those we generally issue asylum from?
Says who? The data contradicts what you are claiming. Read:

The highest per capita recordings of ethnicities are given from the countries which we have the most asylum seekers from. But since you are making the claim, what nationality commits the most rapes per capita?
>a fear of foreigners over natives.
A fear of illegal immigrants*
No one would panic at 1,000 foreign students to the same degree.
>>2913653
>They do not establish that asylum seekers are responsible for that overrepresentation
Would you at least say there's a statistical correlation?
For example, we may compare the majority ethnicities of asylum seeking from 2022-2024, with ethnic breakdowns in sexual assault:

Here, Indians, Iranians, Iraqis, Pakistanis, Eritreans, Bangladeshis and so on comprise both the majority of asylum seekers, as well as the most proportioned sexual assaulters in the UK. There is a certain statistical correlation, but is there causation? You presumably say no. So, what would actually confirm that unauthorised entries into the UK who apply for asylum have at least an overrepresentation in sexual assault? I'm not saying asylum seekers cause all rape, but that per capita, they are more likely to be rapists than say, naturalised citizens of the same ethnicity. 1,000 foreigners and 1,000 citizens is itself an uncomfortable culture shock which is unwelcome, but the question is whether or not it is more sexually dangerous. I say yes - you hopefully at least say "maybe", no?
>sexual assaults committed by asylum seekers
Unfortunately, our government doesn't collect this data, directly.
It would save a lot of people a lot of time if they did.
>anti-immigration
This is not about immigration in particular, but illegal immigration.
These boat crossings are unauthorised entries. I hope you know that.
If 1,000 students moved in, do you think the reaction would be the same? No.

>>2913690
Both tbh. Rumours are the Scottish Branch are trying to take over because they are the only ones that fucking do anything and exist beyond a committee and an instagram page. But that would be a shift back to the 2020 era of red snoods and flares which the communist party don't want. Both are transphobic btw.


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