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Thread for the landlocked ex-Yugoslavian Balkan country in Southeast/Central Europe, bordering Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, North Macedonia, Montenegro, Bosnia & Herzegovina, and Croatia.

I guess the president of Serbia who looks like Chudjak has a football mafia that shoves people into meat grinders or some shit Edition

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If only you knew how bad things really are

Republika Srpska is basically Israel in the balkans and needs to be dismanteled

>thread about Serbia
>nobody is discussing the elections that were just announced

>>2910658
No? The only thing they have in common is Islamophobia.

>>2910673
you need to clue us in

>>2910711
Well it's a long story if you don't know the current political situation in Serbia. If you do, it's a surprise that there are going to be snap elections in the first place since Vucic/SNS popularity is down by a lot and it looks like they're going to lose. Due to how presidential elections work in Serbia (two round system), SNS would have lost them if they were the first or together, so SNS decided to just disband the parliament and have Vucic remain president, then transfer over to prime minister if they win the parliamentary elections (proportional system, with 3% threshold). They also went for the minimum allowed period between announcement and election day (45 days) so the election will be on 25 October.
On the opposition, there has controversy over whether the opposition parties should take part in the elections or just endorse the Student list. I'm probably forgetting some, but like 5 have endorsed it, 3 made one lib coalition, another 3 made another lib coalition and some others went into a conservative coalition. It's very likely that at least one of these three coalitions are going to fall below the threshold, maybe even all 3.

I'll try to give a QRD on the current political situation, but I find it hard to explain. There's been a protest movement since November 2024 that has been calling for elections since May 2025. It started as a response to the Novi Sad canopy collapse, which killed 16 people. It was initially started by opposition parties like several other protest movements during the Vucic era (all of them whimpered out after like a month or two). They blamed SNS and their corruption for the collapse and that has generally been the central theme of the protest movement. In my opinion this is true, but western leftists on the Internet seem to call it bullshit when corruption is protested. But I've heard that the term political corruption has a broader meaning in Serbian than in English, though I don't quite understand that.
Anyway, the protest movement was, after a few weeks, taken over by university students organized into meetings called plenums where any student of the faculty (universities in Serbia are divided into faculties, which are like departments but much more independent) could come to participate. The plenums formed and blockaded the faculties in Serbia one by one, until almost all the public university faculties were blockaded after a month or so.
The inciting incident for the first blockade was some SNS members (at least one of them was a council member from SNS for a municipality) attacked some students and professors of the Faculty of Dramatic Arts while they were doing a 14 minute traffic blockade (14 was the number of deaths of the canopy collapse at that point) in front of their faculty building. The other faculties' students joined to support them, but also generally because of the canopy collapse and dissatisfaction with Vucic/SNS.
Their demands were an investigation on whose fault the canopy collapse is, releasing documents regarding the renovation/reconstruction project on the train station (some were classified as state secrets), prosecuting those SNS members who attacked that blockade and increasing the education spending. SNS didn't want to do any of those. The students organized protests in various places and so on but SNS' only response was to release some unimportant documents, arrest some ministers (and later let them free) and promise to increase the education spending.
The plenums formed some organizational structures in order to coordinate between faculties and universities, and to make decisions outside of plenum meetings. At this point they were organizing a large protest per month, culminating in a huge protest on 15 March 2025, which was the biggest public gathering in Serbia since the Bulldozer revolution, or even bigger than that. There, during the protest, it appears some sound weapon or something like that was used from an unknown place, which almost caused a stampede.
Afterwards, there was a call for citizens to form their own municipality/town-based meetings called zbors to emulate the plenums. This was somewhat successful in some places, and those zbors would go on to organize their own protests too (though the student protests are always much larger).
Then in May 2025 the students decided to call for parliamentary elections to be held, where the student movement would participate by forming a list of non-student public figures without relation to political parties or public offices which they would ask to represent the student movement in the parliament. They decided against forming election coalitions with anyone and essentially asked the opposition parties to not participate.
In Summer 2025 there was like a week of constant blockades organized by plenums and zbors which saw a lot of police deployments, then a few weeks later there were a few more violent protests which saw some SNS property destruction and police beatings, then a few weeks later professors (who haven't been getting paid for a few months because the government cut their salaries essentially because of the student blockades) and some students started pushing for the ending of blockades. They were successful eventually and all blockades ended, and the whole academic year was then crammed into a few months. The student movement survived, but at a reduced level of activity.
Through out 2025 there were some small local elections that had to happen due to terms ending. They had fucked up schedules because of SNS' prior habit of spamming snap elections so they were only a few small elections at a time. Those ended up being held in a tense environment and followed throughout Serbia, even though nobody would normally care about them. SNS ended up winning all the important ones, but usually by a hair, even though they used to be places they won in a landslide.
So far 2026 has been less eventful than 2025, but the plenums and zbors mostly still exist in some form. The Student list, which the students said at the beginning of May 2025 would be ready in a few weeks, ended up being completed somewhere around the middle of 2026. Though its entire contents are still kept secret.

Now this post is already long as fuck even thought I skipped so many things, so I'll just write something short about the politics of the parties/coalitions which will appear in the elections.
Political programs and such aren't really important in Serbia. Since Vucic came to power in 2012/2014, Serbian politics is basically SNS/Vucic bragging about their dubious accomplishments while the opposition says that SNS/Vucic sucks. The Student list's program is unknown, except for a few tidbits they shared but even that is unknown if it's actually a part of the program because there was some infighting about those announcements (Novi Sad students did it but Belgrade students didn't want to, or something like that). Nobody really cares about SNS' program. One of the lib coalitions is going hard on being pro-EU (but the other one is pro-EU too I think?). SNS is of course also pro-EU (it was founded as a pro-EU offshoot of SRS) but those guys think SNS is not truly pro-EU because they're corrupt and power-hungry while the EU is sunshine and rainbows. Or something like that.
SPS (the Socialist Party of Serbia) is not a socialist party by the way. They're the second most important member of the coalition around SNS. Their popularity is seemingly still based on being Milosevic's party, the exception being when they got a short-lived popularity boost in 2022 which is thought to be because they were seen as more pro-Russian than SNS by SNS voters. By the way, SNS voters are (according to some polls) significantly less pro-EU than the general population, even though SNS is a pro-EU party. They have been falling apart lately, but they will probably manage to pass the 3% threshold.
The funny thing is that both SNS and the Student list are essentially both big tent parties and they both refuse to claim a clear geopolitical affiliation/leaning. While SNS is a pro-EU party, they maintain okay relations with Russia and they seem to have good relations with China, with Xi visiting Vucic and Vucic visiting Xi in the past 2 years. The Student movement does not seem to say anything ever regarding Russia and China, while their relationship with the EU is complicated. Officially they do not claim any leaning towards the EU and infamously EU flags are banned at student protests. However, the academic world is generally much more pro-EU than general population. The would-be Student list voters are also more pro-EU than the general population according to polls. And the Student list candidates are probably mostly pro-EU, due to university professors being very overrepresented on the list. There were also "student actions" involving the EU, the most famous being biking from Serbia to deliver a letter to the EP, but that was never approved by the Great Meeting of Delegates (the highest body of the student movement). However, it was not disavowed either, even though they usually have a policy of publicly disavowing people who claim to represent the student movement without approval.

>>2910884
Thanks for the effortpost king

>>2910884
I'll write an update post of some things that happened in the past few days, in case anyone cares. The most relevant thing is probably that one of the opposition lib coalitions fell apart. Two of three of the parties in that coalition had municipal branches entirely leave the party because of the decision to run instead of endorse the Student list, which caused the leadership of these parties to decide to leave the coalition, then the only party left decided to quit too.

The Student movement managed to collect signatures and get the Student list on the ballot without much issue. The only issue is that in several places public (and maybe private, not sure) notaries refused to work with the Student list. Many still did, so this just caused a (probably) unintentional publicity stunt, where there were videos of huge lines all over Serbia of people waiting to give their signature. They collected signatures for 2-3 days and submitted twice over the required amount without incident. SNS' submission was somewhat suspicious though, as they submitted a little over the required amount just a few hours after the Republic Electoral Commission published the forms.

Another thing that happened, which I'm not sure has any relevance, is concerning a conspiracy theory rightwing kind of party, led by a guy called Nestorovic. He is a medical doctor who gained fame among conspiracy theorists for denying COVID19 then later peddling other conspiracy theories. He ended up a significant factor in the 2023 Belgrade city assembly elections, where SNS had less votes than the opposition parties together, but neither side had a majority without Nestorovic's party. Nestorovic refused to form the city government with either, which led to a repeat election in 2024 where the opposition absurdly fumbled and gave SNS the win. I don't think his party is particularly relevant now, since not only did COVID19 stuff lose steam, but also his party split almost immediately after the parliament was formed. Nestorovic himself also lost credibility due to being seen as taking SNS' side. What happened is that his party (the one he formed after the split) refused his proposal to form an election coalition with the Movement of Socialists. This is another party whose name implies it's socialist but actually isn't. It's an offshoot of the long defunct JUL (Milosevic's wife's party) that is led by a guy called Vulin. I don't think they have a significant voterbase at all, and they're very clearly on SNS' side, being in SNS' election coalitions several times and Vulin being a minister in several SNS-led governments over the years. I don't think him and his party have any coherent politics, except I guess russophilia? Vulin has been rumored and reported by western media as having links with Putin and the FSB. I don't know how much of what they report is true, but he does seem to have some connections to the Russian government. He is also personally sanctioned by the USA. Anyway, I don't really know why would they want Vulin's party in the coalition, I see it only losing votes and potentially sinking the whole coalition below the threshold. Some people on the Internet are speculating that this is because he's too much of a toxic presence (in Western eyes?) for SNS' coalition, so they're forcing him in Nestorovic's coalition because he can't run alone or just with the Russian party (which is supposedly a minority party representing the Russian minority, but it consists of Serbs) again. So what happened after Nestorovic's party refused the proposal is that they claimed that Nestorovic disappeared and didn't reply to their phone calls, then after their party meeting they claimed that Nestorovic showed up with a bunch of SNS goons and forced through the proposal. This caused their vice president to publicly appeal to their voterbase not to vote for them. So I think this is just going to further their irrelevance.

>>2913795
There was more info about the Nestorovic stuff today. Apparently they were just straight up negotiating with Russia about what they have to do. Nestorovic claimed publicly that Russia told them to unite the right wing parties. There was also a short leaked video from their party meeting where they were arguing about a meeting some of them had with Andrej Vucic (Vucic's brother) and the Vulin issue, and in that video some guy says that they're ready to do "all that the Russians requested" but they just have to keep it for after the elections.
Based on that leak, there are speculations that Russia straight up asked them to help out Vulin politically, like letting him get a minister position or something like that. Though that doesn't make much sense to me, because ministers don't have to be in the parliament. Also, I don't know why would they ask Nestorovic's party (which might not even pass the threshold) to do that instead of asking SNS (which will control the parliament if the Student list loses)? I guess the only reason would be that SNS refused to do that for some reason but they're also fine with it if it's through Nestorovic. Maybe they think it's a bad look from the West's standpoint if they appoint Vulin themselves, but fine if it's through a fringe rightwing party they had to coalition with to get a majority in the parliament. Or maybe that speculation is bullshit and "all that the Russians requested" refers to something else.

whats with serbians online being massive nazi and ustase simps

>>2914474
Croats worship nazis.
Whats up with Bosnians being bitches?

>>2910658
>autonomous republic for indigenous minority is the same as settler colonialism
KYS

>>2910651
>meme flag
openionings discardenings

>>2910884
>But I've heard that the term political corruption has a broader meaning in Serbian than in English, though I don't quite understand that.
I'm an ignorant American (although from a very corrupt and screwed-up part of it) but I think think it's an Eastern European and Balkans thing where corruption is a broader signifier for why their country is dysfunctional and rotted in a deeper way which requires rotor-rooting out the whole structure which everyone also sort of knows. Does that make sense? Maybe it doesn't but I've heard people from that part of the world talk in those terms. Like a feeling that you're not living in a proper country but are having to deal with the mafia or something.

>>2915255
>corruption is a culture thing instead of an economics thing
kys, ignorant burger

>>2914443
I was wrong about two thing here, the first being that he didn't say right wing parties but russophilic parties (yes he actually used that word) and he did not force through the coalition, but the purge of everyone who voted against the coalition. They did not end up forming the coalition anyway.

>>2914474
I don't think I've ever seen someone who identifies as a Serb simp for the ustase. The closest I've seen to ustase apologia that's common with Serbs online is that some anti-Yugoslav Serbs like to imply that the ustase are a natural consequence of forming Yugoslavia. As for nazis, there are definitely nazis here but I think it's less common than many other European countries.

>>2915208
Serbs aren't indigenous because there is no settling nation they would be indigenous against. The Ottomans don't count because they worked by converting parts of the local population. Also, until recently Bosnia didn't actually have a majority ethnicity. But at the last census the Bosniaks managed to get majority by a hair.

>>2915255
>Like a feeling that you're not living in a proper country but are having to deal with the mafia or something.
But isn't that a somewhat popular sentiment in the USA too? Especially after Epstein.
And it's not like there's no corruption in the West outside the USA. Capitalism is contradictory with the promises of liberal democracy, and symptoms of that can be seen as "corruption" usually.

>>2915605
>Serbs aren't indigenous because there is no settling nation they would be indigenous against
They are indigenous because they have been there because they aren't settlers, they were there before.

There has been some violent incidents in the past week. I guess the atmosphere is pretty tense now, but I'd say less tense than during summer 2025.
One incident was when the mayor of Belgrade broke the nose of a female council member of a Belgrade municipality. As far as I can tell, this happened completely randomly because they had a chance encounter on the street with the mayor while he was on drugs. The council member claims that she was walking with her husband when they encountered the mayor walking alone, then he recognized her and started shouting at them about how she brought people to protest in front of his house (as far as I know no such protest happened, I don't even think it's public knowledge where he lives) and then physically attacked them. The mayor was arrested and then released shortly afterwards, and the next day he claimed he never hit her, and Vucic claimed the mayor was in prison all night and that his drug test was negative. This is pretty ironic because for some reason SNS decided to have a big part of their campaign be presenting the "blockaders" (SNS' negative name for members and supporters of the student movement) as violent, and who want to rape Vucic and SNS supporters and beat SNS supporting women. The raping Vucic thing is about a anti-Vucic video/ad by Faculty of Dramatic Arts students where a dropped soap in prison is shown.
Then the next day there was an incident where SNS activists and Student list activists got in a fight in the street in Novi Sad. It started when the SNS activists came and tried to steal the banner from some Student list activists who were promoting their list on the street. There are speculations that SNS intentionally caused this incident because of the earlier incident with the mayor, and I think that's very likely the case. Afterwards the president of SNS held a press conference with an older woman who was one of the SNS activists who took part in that fight and was punched in the head. They talked about the violence of blockaders and showed her injuries and had her recount what supposedly happened.

Also, earlier than all that, Vucic resigned as president with a few months left in his last term. He said this is so he can campaign for the election, as the president isn't supposed to take part in political activities according to the constitution.

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Today, Vucic debated a rock.

>>2927483
Did he win?

Inherent Serb retardation was such a gift to the west. They have managed to discredit countless political positions and tarnish the legacy of Yugoslavia.

>>2927618
This entire concept of le west is outdated. Serbia should be part of EU.

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Thank you Serbia for Dejan Petkovic, one of Brazil's greatest idols. And also a lefty.

Братство са српским твинкови. Из Ирака с љубављу.

>>2910673
>>2910884
no one cares electoralism spectacle fag

>>2927616
The opinions on that question are polarized.

>>2927687
Bazirano.

>>2927688
It's politics. Vucic/SNS is going to lose power if the Student list wins, which is likely to happen. And that will have actual consequences on the political scene and government policy in Serbia.

>>2928006
Radko saved serbs from EU for a while

>>2928008
You mean Ratko? If you're talking about Bosnia, I don't think it's ever going to enter the EU with its fucked up political system. The only way I see it entering the EU is the EU wanting Bosnia for some reason and so having the High Representative force it through.
If you're talking about Serbia, then I don't think the Ratko funeral is going particularly relevant. I predict Bosniaks quietly returning the diplomatic staff they withdrew. Though for some reason Vucic is actually trying to use Ratko's funeral to claim to the EU and USA that he is fighting against right wing forces and falsely claiming that it was the biggest funeral in the history of Serbia (the actual biggest funeral was Tito's funeral, which held the record for the biggest funeral in the world until Mandela's funeral).

Regarding the views on the EU in Serbia, I already wrote about that in a post above. Basically, according to polls, there is slightly more people who want to enter the EU than not, but the number is always muddied by the "don't know" answers. A recent poll revealed that Student list voters are mostly in favor while SNS voters are mostly against. But the official standpoint of the two lists is the opposite, SNS being a pro-EU party while the Student movement refused to take either side for the Student list's program.
To expand on that, from what I've seen most people who are against the EU are against it because of geopolitical reasons (its affiliation with NATO and the West and against Russia), not for economics reasons. Meanwhile the people who are pro-EU seem to really want Schengen area membership, even though entering the EU won't automatically get Serbia in, and also there are non-EU members in it too. The pro-EU crowd also seems to believe it will just automatically revitalize the economy, which I find dubious. They also think someone like Vucic/SNS wouldn't be able to take power if Serbia was in the EU, ignoring the obvious example of Orban.
TLDR the discourse in Serbia about the EU is retarded.

>>2928032
Yes, Ratko funeral made Eurocrats really mad and probably offset EU membership of Serbia for like extra 10 years if they try.

>>2928039
I doubt both that the funeral had any effect (if I recall correctly, last year someone high-ranking in the EU threatened sanctions if Vucic went to Russia's Victory Day parade and nothing happened) and that Serbia's membership in the EU is going to happen anytime soon regardless of that.

>>2928053
How so? I only know of his 2 shitty videos on the Bosnian war. And if you didn't know, the Republic of Serbia and the Serb Republic (Republika Srpska) are two different places.
And I wouldn't call either neocrusader. In Serbia the war in Bosnia was sold as helping the Serbs there protect themselves from the Muslims (which was the name of the Bosniak ethnicity in Yugoslavia) and Croats. In Srpska there was more talk about ethnic superiority (how they were the cowards who converted during Turkish rule and such claims) or them literally being Turks. And Serb ultranationalists generally hate the Catholic church.
Serb ultranationalists in Serbia do have anti-muslim sentiment, but you can't exactly call them neocrusader, and it's not as widespread as hate based on nationality. Contrary to what Westerners claim on the Internet, the religion-based hate comes from ethnicity-based hate, not the other way around. It essentially stems from territorial disputes between national/ethnic groups in Bosnia and Kosovo.
As for the Catholic church hate, a decent chunk of ultranationalists believe in conspiracy theories about how the Vatican created the Yugoslav wars and made the West hate Serbia due to medieval-era political conflicts between the Vatican and Constantinople. They also seem to lump together protestant and catholic countries as influenced by the Vatican.

>>2928053
Yugoslavia broke the blockade against Iraq while islamic shitholes facilitated it


>>2928047
The issue with this is that governments can be changed so it does not matter much what a single politician does or doesn't. On the other hand, masses giving a serb "hitler" honorific funeral will not be overlooked. Anyway I think the EU expansion will be stalled for quite some time due to Eurosceptic parties/politicians taking over and reconsidering their contributions to the union.

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Vuvic is now flying in D-grade American conservative influencers 💀

>>2937038
IDK fam she doesn't sound or look particularly American to me. I don't think the average American even knows what Kosovo is or can point to Serbia on a map. She's probably a Russian infiltrator.

>>2937063
She gusano

The Trumpoid-Zigger puppet regime that has imposed a boomer dictatorship and oppressed the youth for so long shall be unseated in 3 days. Heres hoping that the radicalism of the young generation perseveres and manages to pressure the shitlib amalgamation that is the student list into turning leftward in a corrective move, hopefully to be assisted by members of the list itself that had to hide their power level until they get into power. Something WILL happen.

>>2937063
>IDK fam she doesn't sound or look particularly American to me
she's a literally who but she got semi-known over here for making retarded ads when she was running for congress

>>2937166
Yeah this convinced me she's a Russian plant only Russians give this much of a shit about gay people even Trump has not rolled back gay marriage. If she were really American she would know this bu default and not have created such a weird ad.

>>2937174
to be fair in america we still say gay when we mean annoying but yeah she is actually homophobic. also very zionist so she could be mossad plant. they love using attractive young women as conservative candidates.


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