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communist ideolgy falls on a sliding scale

the ideologies that are the most objectively correct and have a solid foundation of theory are the less actionable armchair ideologies that never get anything done (leftcoms, anarchists)

the ideologies that are more retarded, emotional, biased and ignorant, the ideologies filled with magical thinking and moralism, those are the ideologies that actually drive history foward (maoism, third worldism)
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>>2919962
>What the fuck are we waiting for to actually do something? Another Luigi? This guy's attitude should have moved masses towards at least some interesting havoc against swines.
https://kurukshetra1.wordpress.com/2013/09/07/adventurism-and-its-historical-failures/

>ITT: leftist hot takes
My local communist branch, but not their national parent organization, should be shot.

I'm probably still going to vote for them.

>anything in the left that doesn't have Marxism-Leninism as their main revolutionary method is just capitalism with extra steps, which also doesn't mean that Marxist-Leninist based socialism is bound to succeed in all cases
>social-democracy, syndicalism and reformism are all bourgeois psyops
>Vietnam was the most successful and heroic socialist experience in the world
>every socialist implementation should consider it's direct development towards actively creating a popular free society ASAP instead of stagnating in a repressive government and all anarchist movements should be seen as important landmarks for this process, so anarchists should integrate the revolutionary movement, not be purged from it
>industrialization is important, but it should consider humanity first all times
>Communists absolutely MUST learn how to fight, hunt, fish and shoot, in fact, all of the left MUST practice survivalism with the same passion that some right-wingers do
>rejecting Stalinism and believing Trotsky should have brought forward the revolution only makes you a Leninist >Trotskysm became the automatically contrarian left within the major left
>there is no International or Internationalism without well defined nations, anything that aims to destroy the concept of Nation is just transcapitalist globalism

>>2915730
Actual hot takes. Everyone is just eager to regulate AI in favor of their own cause. Radical primitivism aside, which I don't agree with, we lack a healthy dose of mea culpa towards industrialization and a healthy dose of Anarchoprimitivist and environmentalist criticism within the left even though their depiction of the left is nothing but a demented scarecrow (in some points, tbh). We should step with both feet on the breaks on AI and soydev research, globally, and accelerate on the tech industry nationalization aligned with P2P open source decentralized tech from FSF autist hobbyists. More GNU/Linux public services and banning proprietary software, less investment on datacenters.

Anarchism is THE default ideology of the proletariat, in that it is based on not reading any history or theory and on visceral reactions against visible oppression and exploitation without any plan for what to do once those things are eliminated.

>>2953824
Wrong, the default ideology of proles is to fight their own individual oppression by getting wealthy. Anarchism requires workers to unlearn the meritocratic selfishness psyop and organize collective action.

>>2953824
Truth or not, Anarchism can achieve nothing without the structured revolutionary basis of Marxism-Leninism. Anarchism is post-Communism or Communism in it's complete development. Communism is the stateless colectivist society by it's definition.


"Marxist-Leninists" (Stalinists) should be shot on sight. Same goes for all the other cancer derivatives (Maoists, TWits, Campists, etc.).


>>2953858
Your idol Stalin was Israel's biggest friend.

>>2953866
<The Soviet media stated that the anti-imperialist bloc would support the just cause of the Arabs; these were by no means empty promises. Throughout the 1948 War, the USSR and the Peoples’ Democracies of Eastern Europe covertly furnished the Arabs with military assistance. With respect to military aid to the Arabs, however, another excerpt of the previously mentioned Soviet-Syrian and Soviet-Lebanese secret treaties in 1946 was as follows:

<The Soviet Union agrees to send a sufficient number of military personnel to Syria, comprising military instructors and high-ranking officers, in order to help Syria to build up as rapidly as possible a national army of some strength. (The Soviet Union and Egypt, 1945-55, Rami Ginat, 1993, p. 70. Citing: From Encroachment to Involvement, a Documentary Study of Soviet Policy in the Middle East, 1945-1973. Israel University Press, Yaacov Ro’i, 1974, pp. 29-30) (IMG)


<And the same type of deal was made in the secret treaty with Lebanon:


<A secret treaty between the USSR and the Lebanese government based on these [above] clauses, was signed two days later. (The Soviet Union and Egypt, 1945-55, Rami Ginat, 1993, p. 70) (IMG)


<The support of the USSR for Syria was not limited to the period before the 1948 War but continued well afterwards onto during the 1948 War. Indeed the USSR – along with the Eastern European Peoples’ Democracies – militarily and economically backed Syria and Lebanon during the 1948 War. As material support for the Arab fighters, the Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak People’s Democracy provided weapons whereas Romania supplied the petroleum:


<Some of the Arab League countries have purchased arms from Czechoslovakia; the largest shipments to the Arabs from that country have gone to Syria and Lebanon. Small shipments from the USSR or Balkan ports are also reported to have landed on the Syrian and Lebanese coasts; also, petroleum products are now being shipped to Lebanon by Rumania. (POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENTS FROM THE PALESTINE TRUCE, ORE 38-48, CIA, July 27, 1948, p. 9) (IMG)


<As a result of Soviet military aid, the position of the Arabs improved significantly:


<The armament position of the Arabs has been notably improved by … a $2,035,000 contract for small arms, ammunitions, and other materiel just negotiated by Syria with the Skoda works of Czechoslovakia … and … the reported arrival of Soviet shipments of small arms in Lebanon and Syria. (Book III – Weekly Summary – 3 July 1947 (#55) thru 30 December 1947 (#79), CIA, pp. III-IV) (IMG)


Quite the opposite

>>2953869
Who was the general secretary of the first country to recognize Israel at the UN?

>>2953880
>Muh UN
the UN doesn't matter. Stalin furnished the arab national armies that fought against israel, which were practically non existent before that
<inb4 M..m…muh Czechoslovakia weapons
Authorized by some rando lib before communist consolidation of Czechoslovak government

You can apologize to comrade Koba now. As repentance you must hit yourself in the head with your copy of Capital vol1&2 15 times and do 25 years of hard labor in whatever the coldest region of your country is

>>2953884
>Koba
Good answer

>>2953890
You have to go back

  • workers' democracy is a non-negotiable, all else follows, all else dies w/it
  • academia is good, actually
  • philosophy is the most worthless of the humanities
  • diamat is a joke
  • landback operates on lebensraum logic
  • russians, serbs, turks, gulf arabs and japanese r as israeli as israelis
  • ai is a stupid .com bubble and you cannot actually run the steel industry on a boolean text generator
  • there is no worthwhile opinion to be had of north korea besides lifting sanctions
  • for every 1 fact you know abt the ussr, you should know 3 abt china
  • ukranians-kurd-uyghur jdpon over eurasia
  • anarchists are ultimately wrong but smarter than like 80% of marxists
  • your local demsoc electoral 2-seater is a thousand times more useful than any dozen-man "marxist" party'll ever be
  • first world? first priority is stifling imperialism
  • you do not need to refer to the "dictatorship of the proletariat" when explaining radical democracy to your grandma
  • any ideology named after a person is automatically worthless
  • prison abolition is good
  • rehabilitation is always the answer, no exceptions
  • genetics affect next to nothing
  • climate change is the single biggest issue of our time
  • no trans surgeries till 18
  • no trans ppl in sports
  • the black panthers are the potential man of american leftism and that isn't a bad thing
  • intersectionality is important
  • yes, you should know how to use a gun
  • being a former us serviceman literally means nothing
  • legalize, legalize, legalize
  • porn isn't bad
  • all gender wars shit should inspire a blind rage in you only sated by tearing the glowies that propagate it to shreds
  • do better
  • politics isn't a personality
  • jews are the heroes of european history
  • freedom of speech is good
  • yes, you should try to be vegan
  • no, you shouldn't say bitch. whore. hoe, slut, retard, faggot, etc.
  • even if you are a retarded faggot, you should use those terms endearingly, not to insult ppl
  • a lot of leftists are eugenicist-tier ableists
  • the spook ends here
  • moralfag whenever possible, moralfag whenever impossible
  • there is nothing more masculine than appreciating a pretty girl/guy and having no shame in it
  • go to the fucking gym

>>2954440
i forgot to mention,
>landback operates on lebensraum logic
this includes palestinianism.


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This but unironically

>>2954460
Somebody giga tis

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>MY SPECIFIC, PERFECT, ENTIRELY INFALLIABLE BRAND OF COMMUNISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED

>>2954460
>kulaks
>revisionists
>landlords
>vietnamese

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>>2913055
This is called Freedom of Association, and the United States of America used to have it so long as you paid your taxes. Then came mandatory integration… The Sovth, for all its curmudgeonly behavior, got this particular right. Let people segregate according to their distinctives while retaining one unified military that violently maintains each community's right to live in relative peace as they please. So long as each community contributes to the whole in some manner, there is no legitimate reason to force their co-mingling. Even the Soviets understood this to some extent, which is why they had autonomous ethno-republics.

>>2913055
Segregation but woke

>a theory can be correct even if it doesn't work in practice
this is what we call idealism

you might as well be describing numerology

Production forces will largely collapse and barbarism is the only true future in a world that is hostile to most current lifeforms

>>2954453
fuck off israelite

>>2954453
Jewish nigger

>>2954453
Trvthnuke leftypol couldnt handle.

>>2954453
i'm op this isn't me and i'm not touching this w/a seven foot pole but all i'll say is there's nuance in him not being entirely wrong

>>2954698
>>2954711
>>2954453
Why are these disgusting zionazis allowed to post here?

>>2954721
i am not a zionist, i'm explicitly rejecting anyone's "right" to land

>>2954771
You are equivocating the palestinians and the israelis. Even comparing the palestinian national liberation struggle against their racist colonial occupation to the nazi lebensraum

Disgusting zionazi

>>2954771
Only makes sense if they didn't systematically killed the people on the land (which is impossible)
Defending yourself from getting killed is not about muh blood and soil, it's pretty clear cut.

>>2954784
Moralism

>>2954721
The true question shouldn't be "why are disgusting zionazis allowed here?".
It should be "why am I in a website that is clearly fine with zionazis as well as all sorts of reactionaries and wreckers and not on lemmygrad dot ml?".
In my case, it's to get anyone worth a shit (which is more and more a minority in this website) to jump ship. What reason do YOU have?

>>2954794
I guess it's just a habit, but more and more I've felt the desire to jump ship. Thank you for the recommendation anon

>>2954784
i'm not equivocating israelis and palestinians, they are materially diametrically opposed and the latter is obviously the progressive option, through which i THEN make my moral arguments
>natlib
means nothing, there isn't anything unique to the palestinian nation that situates them as oppressor or oppressed, that distinction is material and outlined above

>>2954785
>Defending yourself from getting killed is not about muh blood and soil, it's pretty clear cut.
… yes? i don't know what you want me to say

>>>2954795
samefagging is a lot less obvious if you don't use the exact same grammar as your previous post

>>2954799
>i'm not equivocating israelis and palestinians
Yes you are, zionism is lebensraum. "Palestinianism" (Palestinian natlib) opposes zionism.

You are contradicting yourself saying that opposition to lebensraum operates on the same logic as lebensraum.

It is zionazi rhetoric and it is disgusting

>>2954806
Moralism

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>>2954807
No one cares ziorat

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>>2954809
True. No one cares about your moralism.

>>2954811
The fact that morality is not real doesn't mean you get to be as sociopathic as possible

Society is a safety net, if you do things that hurt the legitimacy of society (like widespread violence) then human existence becomes more unstable, this is the true reason genocide is something to be avoided. It creates a massive amount of risks and problems for the entire species as a whole. The fact that you use anti-moralism to advocate for massive-scale troublemaking makes me think you're just a psychopath reactionary co-opting what's convenient to you to advocate for you real goals: violence.

>>2954806
>Yes you are, zionism is lebensraum.
yes
>"Palestinianism" (Palestinian natlib) opposes zionism.
not claiming it doesn't, great russian chauvinism opposes nazism
>You are contradicting yourself saying that opposition to lebensraum operates on the same logic as lebensraum.
there is no contradiction in that sentence

>It is zionazi rhetoric and it is disgusting

zionazi rhetoric is believing any "nation" has a right to land
>>2954808
easiest shit to fake ever and even then i don't care
>>2954812
>The fact that morality is not real
not a fact, morality is an existent structure that interacts w/material reciprocally
>this is the true reason genocide is something to be avoided
genocide is to be avoided because, as made clear above, it's not exclusive to anyone. the logical conclusion of genocide is continuing to the last man

Nation states are basically all settler colonies if you go back far enough, they didn't drop out from the ether, even the decolonial movement was about lebensraum for the local "volk" (the bourgeoisie really) against the encroaching colonials monopolizing the land. If palestine won and destroyed Israel it wouldn't be like the end of Star Wars 6, the workers will have to go be exploited the next day and chances are the billionaire muslim brothers running that shit will be the usual bourgeois religgers annoying everyone trying to have fun and running CIA black sites or hosting US military bases for money a year later like they always end up doing. That said the genocide would stop which would be an objectively good thing but that's it really.

>>2954811
>heh! I know I am but
Nobody cares, kill yourself redditor ziotard


>>2954813
>yes
Yes you are a zionazi
>great russian chauvinism opposes nazism
No it doesn't
>there is no contradiction in that sentence
there is no contradiction in that sentence
There is, those that oppose their own genocide don't operate under the same logic of those who wish to genocide them. Simple, only a zionazi would try to obfuscate this

>zionazi rhetoric is believing any "nation" has a right to land

No faggot, zionazi rhetoric is espousing all claims to land by all groups of people are the same regardless of their actual circumstances. Thus equivocating perpetrator and victim

>i….i…it's fake and i don't even care even though I brought it up

zionazi retard

>>2954835
>yes you are a zionazi
i'm not doing literally what you're accusing the poster above of doing w/u, i get you're only here to shill ml offsite #1918 nobody wants to use bc not even mls want to tolerate their ideological brethren's' level of dishonesty, but at least try to come off as above the age of 12 here please
>no it doesn't
yes it does, one elevates the russian nation as rightful oppressor, the other deems them only fit for oppression, they are fundamentally opposed
>there is no contradiction in that sentence
thanks for agreeing!
>there is, those that oppose their own genocide don't operate under the same logic of those who wish to genocide them. Simple, only a zionazi would try to obfuscate this
yes, opposing genocide does not automatically make you support genocide, that's not what i'm saying. i'm saying that accepting any nation has an inherent "right" to land logically lends itself to genocide, which is bad. therefor, framing liberation in natlib is bad, last chance i'm giving you to demonstrate you understand this
>zionazi rhetoric is espousing all claims to land by all groups of people are the same regardless of their actual circumstances
zionism explicitly denies palestinian claims to the land, as nazism does in the case of slavs, these are the most simple tenants of those ideologies

i don't believe you but i also don't paticularly care, move on

>>2954858
>i get you're only here to shill ml offsite #1918 nobody wants to use bc not even mls want to tolerate their ideological brethren's' level of dishonesty
meds

>yes it does, one elevates the russian nation as rightful oppressor, the other deems them only fit for oppression, they are fundamentally opposed

Practically great russian chauvinism doesn't oppose nazism. Regardless, palestine is not russia so the point is moot from the getgo

>i'm saying that accepting any nation has an inherent "right" to land logically lends itself to genocide, which is bad. therefor, framing liberation in natlib is bad, last chance i'm giving you to demonstrate you understand this

Im saying your idealism about inherent qualities that nobody but you projects onto the discussion are in effect of obfuscation of the real relation between these nations on the ground. If palestinians were trying to colonize sudan or some shit you might have had a point, but they're not

>zionism explicitly denies palestinian claims to the land, as nazism does in the case of slavs, these are the most simple tenants of those ideologies

Yes because both are expressions of imperialism and colonial enterprises, not because of the vague connotation of "making a claim to land"

>i don't believe you but i also don't paticularly care, move on

Why tf would I bother with that shit retard? I think you're a piece of shit, I don't care if you believe me or not. You're free to keep coping about it


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