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communist ideolgy falls on a sliding scale

the ideologies that are the most objectively correct and have a solid foundation of theory are the less actionable armchair ideologies that never get anything done (leftcoms, anarchists)

the ideologies that are more retarded, emotional, biased and ignorant, the ideologies filled with magical thinking and moralism, those are the ideologies that actually drive history foward (maoism, third worldism)

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yes, maoism is a personality cult that kills birds, but also liberated china and lifted it from serfdom to tier 1 country status.

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My hot take relates to yours, that "History" as a proper noun is a false abstraction. There is only natural duration; History does not exist. Thus, politics cannot be a means to the end of a mythical "progress", but must have a rightful basis in ethics to be theoretically sound.

>>2911023
I mean every sociological or philosophical term is ultimately made up, but I think progress is real, and there is a certain drive that changes material conditions, if you think there is no functional difference between shitting in the woods or in a toilet then yeah history and progress aren't real, but then that sounds pedantic doesnt it?

You've got it exactly bsckwards: practice is the criterion of truth

ideology itself is arrogant and idiotic. to think that something as complex as human society could be neatly explained and accounted for in a book is absurd. it takes a complete set of multiple phonebook-sized volumes just to explain the inner workings of a pickup truck. you're telling me someone figured out how society works and wrote it all down in a book the size of a dime novel? get the fuck out of here.

>>2911026
>progress is real
But what is it?
What is it measured by?
I can't see it, smell it, hear it, etc. so it's not material, but conceptual.

>>2911031
Theory and "ideology" are not exactly the same

>>2911032
a raise of living standards? social equality? freedom from exploitation? there isn't a single thing to define it exactly but you know it exists, if you don't think the concept of better or worse don't apply to political discussion you are being pedantic as hell

>>2911031
it's a framework to understand reality, there are things that are more true and less true

if I say human relations are determined by race that point is fundamentally more inferior and retarded than if I say human relations are based on class

>>2911055
>if I say human relations are determined by race that point is fundamentally more inferior and retarded than if I say human relations are based on class
Until your analysis breaks down when it comes across americans

>>2911017
>solid foundation of theory
Did you ever consider that the theory is wrong?

>>2911019
mao zedong thought =/= maoism

maoism = 80s peruvian guy

>>2911023
>History does not exist.
found the Badiou-ist

>leftist bad takes
China is socialist.

>>2911250
China is socialist tho.
It's just closer to Yugoslavia than the Eastern Block.

>communist ideology
>ideologies that are objectively correct
>ideology drives history forward

my only "hot take" is that class struggle with proletarian characteristics is the only thing thats based and that everything else is a sham and humbug, it has gotten me called CIA, liberal, /pol/tard, etc. multiple times in this "leftist" website

Gorby is massively overhated, and the August coup is more responsibe for the collapse of the USSR than anything Gorby did

>>2911289
Gay. Gorby is hated for the 5 years before 1991. Plus Alexander Yakovlev admitted to deliberately sabotaging everything so august coup is nothing really.

>>2911023
>doesn't believe in history
<still somehow believes in politics and ethics

Michael Heinrich is right and worldview-marxists kinda suck

>>2911307
Politics is the science of managing a state.
Ethics is the science of proper human action.
History is undefined in its own terms, so cannot be a type of knowledge.
>>2911055
When you invoke the term "progress", you imply motion; as a means to an end - physicalising History as something coming into completion. You are offering things you see as good and calling it "progress" in a flippant way. Is History really describing things just becoming better?


>>2911319
>Ethics is the science of proper human action.
that's just moving the goalpost back to what "proper" is.

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Marxism-Leninism is Advanced Feudalism
And this is good.

>>2911330
Somebody got upset at that:
>>2900346

>>2911328
Properness is the soundness of rational judgement.
That is, of what one ought to do, and ought not to do.
Different ethical systems have different criteria of properness.

I don't like venezuelans and they need to leave my country.

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to continue the project of scientific socialism today you need to stop worshipping das capital as it is not how finance capital works (marx himself observed how 'fictitious capital' completely distorts the logic of the economy but he never put much analysis into it as he thought the capitalist system would collapse before that ever became an issue). there are no more crises of overproduction. there is no more class struggle. stop larping. when marx was writing, communism was a genuine spectre. strikes were rampant and all sorts of socialists were springing up. workers do not need to be told they are being exploited in the normative sense. if there is no mass action already present, then there is no reason to expect anything there. the future of a true leftist politics that is not ideological coping can only be reached by completely rethinking the present political terrain. everyone who does not do this is larping as some 20th century ideology that is completely irrelevant. we live in the 21st century. it is time to build something new

lenin a century ago pointed out that monopoly capital was already moving into a form of bourgeois socialism. that was a century ago. use your heads

a second hot take: politics is not about ideals. if the value form was so all powerful then the crises would propagate within state capitalism and push it towards socialism. but of course the ussr never had a crisis of overproduction anyways. rather than ideals, materialist politics should always be about what can actually be worked with given the inherent instabilities of the system. not the instabilities or contradictions you think the system should have - the actual contradictions. anything else is simply ideology

if i were to name the current contradictions, it is on one level the conflict between various capitalist powers, and on the other the contradiction between "freedom" and democracy (as thiel presciently observes). china resolved the latter contradiction by having the state own everything and all businesses simply having usufruct rights. this is what makes their class collaboration possible. on the other hand, neo-reaction's negation of american financial hegemony is what is currently working through the first contradiction within america

>>2912003
damn dude save some pussy for the rest of us

Not a particularly edgy one:

The Asiatic Mode of Production is understudied and if properly studied will reveal more and/or better insights useful for building sustainable socialism than either feudalism or capitalism.

Even pointing out there are no new hot takes is itself a cold take.

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>>2912176
There is a contradiction between the sectors of the bourgeoisie that deal primarily with purely speculative capital and those that invest it in the manufacturing industry.

>leftist hot takes
Communism, the higher phase of it, is such a far away abstract idea that it's basically pointless to think about at all. Maybe it will happen in 1000 years but in the world we live in today it's unimaginable. I just want a socialist state that's not completely ruled by like 10 capitalist perverts and where every aspect of life isn't governed by what will maximize the short term profits for said perverts, god damn it.

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>>2911244
he won btw

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Poltardation ideology of being against multiculturalism is correct, however, I want to seggregate myself from people that would find my way of life problematic, not the opposite way

I don't want cyclist on the road, so I want to live in a city with no cyclists, at the same time, cyclists dislike cars and trucks, so cyclists might want to ban automobiles in their city

Seggregation must take place based on a wider spectrum of things that actually matters, not muh race

Islamism is not your allie, is just oppurtunism, how the fuck a self proclamied lefitist would support a religion that hates queer people, hates women is beyond me, the PSYOP is real.

>>2913085
Me personally I want to achieve communism not pursue liberal intersectionality

Hot take/ unpopular opinion threads are always just reactionary take laundering threads

>>2911017
my hot take OP is that the reason the ML and MLM movements appear to be more actionable is that all of the marxist-leninist republics are essentially the evolutionary missing link between liberal republicanism and higher levels of socialist development. I don't even mean this as a gotcha towards MLs a flawed revolution is still better than no revolution at all.

>>2911019
sparrows are revisionist

>>2913374
Wikipedia clearly states the primary food source of sparrows, and counterarguments included 1860s German experience of eradicating sparrows (no discernable effect) and tales about how there were 10 pairs of sparrows imported to New York, and modern research actually shown their population decrease by the millions as horses - and their feed - were replaced by cars, proving sparrow campaign to have been sensible

>>2913039
>Most Lefties would cry Fascist if they came across someone with the exact same positions Marx holds in it
Summoning the spirit of Engels at a seance and nervously asking whether Israelis or Palestinians are the völkerabfälle.

>>2913487
why are there so many poles on the leftcom subreddit?

>>2914899
go jack off in a corner, we don't want you here

It is psychologically impossible for most people to live communally on a large scale, beyond their immediately relations. Therefore, communism outside of literal communes of a few dozen/hundred like-minded people is impossible. Socialism is the farthest you will get at the state level, and states are necessary for collective defence - your little commune can be annihilated in a single airstrike.

>>2911017
Stalin is both overrated and overhated. Brezhnev wasn't as bad was people said he was. Maoism is the new Trotskyism. Getting rid of the Gang of Four and ending the Cultural Revolution is the second best thing that happened to China. Anti-Communists actually have somewhat of a point when they say "Communism is against human nature."
>the ideologies that are more retarded, emotional, biased and ignorant, the ideologies filled with magical thinking and moralism, those are the ideologies that actually drive history foward (maoism, third worldism)
MTWs aren't going to change anything because they (Like what is now called "Woke 1.0") are a controlled opposition whose purpose is to prevent any real change from happening.
>>2913039
>The dream of most Western Leftists is to be bougie artisans who luck out with monopoly rights to a successful IP they can live on forever, hence why most Leftists become hilariously reactionary when you bring up reducing Copyright laws or AI.
Either that or a well-paid academic that gets to tell poor people to "check their settler privilege" from their gentrified neighborhood. It always comes down to class and most of Western leftoidism is the politics of the jilted petit-bourgeoisie. Most of these people are only "communist" not because they actually support communism but because they oppose their own countries. If they were Russians or Chinese, they'd be liberals. Tumblr is their past, BadEmpanda is their present and Van Jones is their inevitable future.
>Materialist Analysis often leads to positions that would be considered laughably immoral by most of the left, but it doesn't really matter because they are the true position. Read Marx's positions in Critique of the Gotha Program. How much of the modern Left would actually agree with Marx's materialist positions in it? Most Lefties would cry Fascist if they came across someone with the exact same positions Marx holds in it lmao.
Anybody that actually follows dialectical and historical materialism to its logical conclusion knows that it leads to something that today's leftoids would definitely not like. I bet that the majority of these people would have opposed Lenin and the Bolsheviks if they had lived back in 1917.
>AI is probably the single greatest development in production since the Assembly Line is is the exact form of technology that will drive Capitalist contradiction to the breaking point.
I wouldn't say that. It was around before the AI boom and it'll be around when NVidia, OpenAI and Oracle can no longer play potato with 300 billion dollars but I wouldn't compare information technology to a factory assembly line. If there's anything that I say brings a revolution in production like the assembly line, its the dark factories that are completely staffed by robots.
>Instead the Left has been arguing essentially to ban all technological development and AI from existence.
It's amazing how leftoids (Including "M-Ls") have internalized utterly reactionary positions that would have been called such in the USSR.

>>2911017
There are at least 20 more years before the international reserve army of labor runs out and capitalism really begins to collapse.

Dialectial materialism is the most advanced method for understanding reality but most Marxists believe in 18th century mechanical materialism and mistake it for dialectics. Heraclitus fragments should be mandatory reading.

Identitarian groups and minority discussion are the last shovels of earth on top of the tomb of the revolution. The divisiveness of these movements is anti-revolutionary to the bones and has been co-opted by zionist capitalism a long time ago (if not fabricated by it). Feminism, anti-racism, gay movements, are all, 100% financed by capitalists and instrumentalized by CIA, Mossad and the sort. It only benefits capitalism.
If the revolutionaries don't start focusing strictly on class struggle right now, the struggle will be lost for fucking ever. It lacks so much objectivity in the left. It lacks focus, many great minds in play are being completely wasted in debates, subjective drama and terminology discussions. It seems like most of people have never believed in any type of revolution at all. What the fuck are we waiting for to actually do something? Another Luigi? This guy's attitude should have moved masses towards at least some interesting havoc against swines. Everything seems paralyzed. Much because of lack of cohesion these identitarian woke motherfuckers produced within the revolutionary movements.

>leftist hot takes

Left communists in front of firing squad.
NOOOWWW

"Maoist" in the west refers to something much different that people who study Mao as a tactician, and that's one of the biggest issues the left has right now.

>>2912176
>there is no more class struggle
you think that monopolist capitalists/imperialists do not dictate the working day or allocation of labor power?

>>2953205
Nta but they do so with little to no resistance from workers, at all, when contemporary workers don’t like their conditions they search for another job and do quiet quitting. That’s not struggle.

>>2919962
<leftypol 1.0 shit
You have to move on from this faggotry.

>>2919962
>What the fuck are we waiting for to actually do something
literally starving
>but that's never going to happen
true

>>2911032
You can smell it and taste it, you eat stuff shipped from far away, managed by ever increasing complexity and energy costs.

>>2911030
This site never recovered after the raids by shartyfags and that one leftcom subreddit

>>2915733
Probably much sooner due to food shortage

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>>2919962
>What the fuck are we waiting for to actually do something? Another Luigi? This guy's attitude should have moved masses towards at least some interesting havoc against swines.
https://kurukshetra1.wordpress.com/2013/09/07/adventurism-and-its-historical-failures/

>ITT: leftist hot takes
My local communist branch, but not their national parent organization, should be shot.

I'm probably still going to vote for them.

>anything in the left that doesn't have Marxism-Leninism as their main revolutionary method is just capitalism with extra steps, which also doesn't mean that Marxist-Leninist based socialism is bound to succeed in all cases
>social-democracy, syndicalism and reformism are all bourgeois psyops
>Vietnam was the most successful and heroic socialist experience in the world
>every socialist implementation should consider it's direct development towards actively creating a popular free society ASAP instead of stagnating in a repressive government and all anarchist movements should be seen as important landmarks for this process, so anarchists should integrate the revolutionary movement, not be purged from it
>industrialization is important, but it should consider humanity first all times
>Communists absolutely MUST learn how to fight, hunt, fish and shoot, in fact, all of the left MUST practice survivalism with the same passion that some right-wingers do
>rejecting Stalinism and believing Trotsky should have brought forward the revolution only makes you a Leninist >Trotskysm became the automatically contrarian left within the major left
>there is no International or Internationalism without well defined nations, anything that aims to destroy the concept of Nation is just transcapitalist globalism

>>2915730
Actual hot takes. Everyone is just eager to regulate AI in favor of their own cause. Radical primitivism aside, which I don't agree with, we lack a healthy dose of mea culpa towards industrialization and a healthy dose of Anarchoprimitivist and environmentalist criticism within the left even though their depiction of the left is nothing but a demented scarecrow (in some points, tbh). We should step with both feet on the breaks on AI and soydev research, globally, and accelerate on the tech industry nationalization aligned with P2P open source decentralized tech from FSF autist hobbyists. More GNU/Linux public services and banning proprietary software, less investment on datacenters.

Anarchism is THE default ideology of the proletariat, in that it is based on not reading any history or theory and on visceral reactions against visible oppression and exploitation without any plan for what to do once those things are eliminated.

>>2953824
Wrong, the default ideology of proles is to fight their own individual oppression by getting wealthy. Anarchism requires workers to unlearn the meritocratic selfishness psyop and organize collective action.

>>2953824
Truth or not, Anarchism can achieve nothing without the structured revolutionary basis of Marxism-Leninism. Anarchism is post-Communism or Communism in it's complete development. Communism is the stateless colectivist society by it's definition.


"Marxist-Leninists" (Stalinists) should be shot on sight. Same goes for all the other cancer derivatives (Maoists, TWits, Campists, etc.).


>>2953858
Your idol Stalin was Israel's biggest friend.

>>2953866
<The Soviet media stated that the anti-imperialist bloc would support the just cause of the Arabs; these were by no means empty promises. Throughout the 1948 War, the USSR and the Peoples’ Democracies of Eastern Europe covertly furnished the Arabs with military assistance. With respect to military aid to the Arabs, however, another excerpt of the previously mentioned Soviet-Syrian and Soviet-Lebanese secret treaties in 1946 was as follows:

<The Soviet Union agrees to send a sufficient number of military personnel to Syria, comprising military instructors and high-ranking officers, in order to help Syria to build up as rapidly as possible a national army of some strength. (The Soviet Union and Egypt, 1945-55, Rami Ginat, 1993, p. 70. Citing: From Encroachment to Involvement, a Documentary Study of Soviet Policy in the Middle East, 1945-1973. Israel University Press, Yaacov Ro’i, 1974, pp. 29-30) (IMG)


<And the same type of deal was made in the secret treaty with Lebanon:


<A secret treaty between the USSR and the Lebanese government based on these [above] clauses, was signed two days later. (The Soviet Union and Egypt, 1945-55, Rami Ginat, 1993, p. 70) (IMG)


<The support of the USSR for Syria was not limited to the period before the 1948 War but continued well afterwards onto during the 1948 War. Indeed the USSR – along with the Eastern European Peoples’ Democracies – militarily and economically backed Syria and Lebanon during the 1948 War. As material support for the Arab fighters, the Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak People’s Democracy provided weapons whereas Romania supplied the petroleum:


<Some of the Arab League countries have purchased arms from Czechoslovakia; the largest shipments to the Arabs from that country have gone to Syria and Lebanon. Small shipments from the USSR or Balkan ports are also reported to have landed on the Syrian and Lebanese coasts; also, petroleum products are now being shipped to Lebanon by Rumania. (POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENTS FROM THE PALESTINE TRUCE, ORE 38-48, CIA, July 27, 1948, p. 9) (IMG)


<As a result of Soviet military aid, the position of the Arabs improved significantly:


<The armament position of the Arabs has been notably improved by … a $2,035,000 contract for small arms, ammunitions, and other materiel just negotiated by Syria with the Skoda works of Czechoslovakia … and … the reported arrival of Soviet shipments of small arms in Lebanon and Syria. (Book III – Weekly Summary – 3 July 1947 (#55) thru 30 December 1947 (#79), CIA, pp. III-IV) (IMG)


Quite the opposite

>>2953869
Who was the general secretary of the first country to recognize Israel at the UN?

>>2953880
>Muh UN
the UN doesn't matter. Stalin furnished the arab national armies that fought against israel, which were practically non existent before that
<inb4 M..m…muh Czechoslovakia weapons
Authorized by some rando lib before communist consolidation of Czechoslovak government

You can apologize to comrade Koba now. As repentance you must hit yourself in the head with your copy of Capital vol1&2 15 times and do 25 years of hard labor in whatever the coldest region of your country is

>>2953884
>Koba
Good answer

>>2953890
You have to go back

  • workers' democracy is a non-negotiable, all else follows, all else dies w/it
  • academia is good, actually
  • philosophy is the most worthless of the humanities
  • diamat is a joke
  • landback operates on lebensraum logic
  • russians, serbs, turks, gulf arabs and japanese r as israeli as israelis
  • ai is a stupid .com bubble and you cannot actually run the steel industry on a boolean text generator
  • there is no worthwhile opinion to be had of north korea besides lifting sanctions
  • for every 1 fact you know abt the ussr, you should know 3 abt china
  • ukranians-kurd-uyghur jdpon over eurasia
  • anarchists are ultimately wrong but smarter than like 80% of marxists
  • your local demsoc electoral 2-seater is a thousand times more useful than any dozen-man "marxist" party'll ever be
  • first world? first priority is stifling imperialism
  • you do not need to refer to the "dictatorship of the proletariat" when explaining radical democracy to your grandma
  • any ideology named after a person is automatically worthless
  • prison abolition is good
  • rehabilitation is always the answer, no exceptions
  • genetics affect next to nothing
  • climate change is the single biggest issue of our time
  • no trans surgeries till 18
  • no trans ppl in sports
  • the black panthers are the potential man of american leftism and that isn't a bad thing
  • intersectionality is important
  • yes, you should know how to use a gun
  • being a former us serviceman literally means nothing
  • legalize, legalize, legalize
  • porn isn't bad
  • all gender wars shit should inspire a blind rage in you only sated by tearing the glowies that propagate it to shreds
  • do better
  • politics isn't a personality
  • jews are the heroes of european history
  • freedom of speech is good
  • yes, you should try to be vegan
  • no, you shouldn't say bitch. whore. hoe, slut, retard, faggot, etc.
  • even if you are a retarded faggot, you should use those terms endearingly, not to insult ppl
  • a lot of leftists are eugenicist-tier ableists
  • the spook ends here
  • moralfag whenever possible, moralfag whenever impossible
  • there is nothing more masculine than appreciating a pretty girl/guy and having no shame in it
  • go to the fucking gym

>>2954440
i forgot to mention,
>landback operates on lebensraum logic
this includes palestinianism.


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This but unironically

>>2954460
Somebody giga tis

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>MY SPECIFIC, PERFECT, ENTIRELY INFALLIABLE BRAND OF COMMUNISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED

>>2954460
>kulaks
>revisionists
>landlords
>vietnamese

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>>2913055
This is called Freedom of Association, and the United States of America used to have it so long as you paid your taxes. Then came mandatory integration… The Sovth, for all its curmudgeonly behavior, got this particular right. Let people segregate according to their distinctives while retaining one unified military that violently maintains each community's right to live in relative peace as they please. So long as each community contributes to the whole in some manner, there is no legitimate reason to force their co-mingling. Even the Soviets understood this to some extent, which is why they had autonomous ethno-republics.

>>2913055
Segregation but woke

>a theory can be correct even if it doesn't work in practice
this is what we call idealism

you might as well be describing numerology

Production forces will largely collapse and barbarism is the only true future in a world that is hostile to most current lifeforms

>>2954453
fuck off israelite

>>2954453
Jewish nigger

>>2954453
Trvthnuke leftypol couldnt handle.

>>2954453
i'm op this isn't me and i'm not touching this w/a seven foot pole but all i'll say is there's nuance in him not being entirely wrong

>>2954698
>>2954711
>>2954453
Why are these disgusting zionazis allowed to post here?

>>2954721
i am not a zionist, i'm explicitly rejecting anyone's "right" to land

>>2954771
You are equivocating the palestinians and the israelis. Even comparing the palestinian national liberation struggle against their racist colonial occupation to the nazi lebensraum

Disgusting zionazi

>>2954771
Only makes sense if they didn't systematically killed the people on the land (which is impossible)
Defending yourself from getting killed is not about muh blood and soil, it's pretty clear cut.

>>2954784
Moralism

>>2954721
The true question shouldn't be "why are disgusting zionazis allowed here?".
It should be "why am I in a website that is clearly fine with zionazis as well as all sorts of reactionaries and wreckers and not on lemmygrad dot ml?".
In my case, it's to get anyone worth a shit (which is more and more a minority in this website) to jump ship. What reason do YOU have?

>>2954794
I guess it's just a habit, but more and more I've felt the desire to jump ship. Thank you for the recommendation anon

>>2954784
i'm not equivocating israelis and palestinians, they are materially diametrically opposed and the latter is obviously the progressive option, through which i THEN make my moral arguments
>natlib
means nothing, there isn't anything unique to the palestinian nation that situates them as oppressor or oppressed, that distinction is material and outlined above

>>2954785
>Defending yourself from getting killed is not about muh blood and soil, it's pretty clear cut.
… yes? i don't know what you want me to say

>>>2954795
samefagging is a lot less obvious if you don't use the exact same grammar as your previous post

>>2954799
>i'm not equivocating israelis and palestinians
Yes you are, zionism is lebensraum. "Palestinianism" (Palestinian natlib) opposes zionism.

You are contradicting yourself saying that opposition to lebensraum operates on the same logic as lebensraum.

It is zionazi rhetoric and it is disgusting

>>2954806
Moralism

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>>2954807
No one cares ziorat

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>>2954809
True. No one cares about your moralism.

>>2954811
The fact that morality is not real doesn't mean you get to be as sociopathic as possible

Society is a safety net, if you do things that hurt the legitimacy of society (like widespread violence) then human existence becomes more unstable, this is the true reason genocide is something to be avoided. It creates a massive amount of risks and problems for the entire species as a whole. The fact that you use anti-moralism to advocate for massive-scale troublemaking makes me think you're just a psychopath reactionary co-opting what's convenient to you to advocate for you real goals: violence.

>>2954806
>Yes you are, zionism is lebensraum.
yes
>"Palestinianism" (Palestinian natlib) opposes zionism.
not claiming it doesn't, great russian chauvinism opposes nazism
>You are contradicting yourself saying that opposition to lebensraum operates on the same logic as lebensraum.
there is no contradiction in that sentence

>It is zionazi rhetoric and it is disgusting

zionazi rhetoric is believing any "nation" has a right to land
>>2954808
easiest shit to fake ever and even then i don't care
>>2954812
>The fact that morality is not real
not a fact, morality is an existent structure that interacts w/material reciprocally
>this is the true reason genocide is something to be avoided
genocide is to be avoided because, as made clear above, it's not exclusive to anyone. the logical conclusion of genocide is continuing to the last man

Nation states are basically all settler colonies if you go back far enough, they didn't drop out from the ether, even the decolonial movement was about lebensraum for the local "volk" (the bourgeoisie really) against the encroaching colonials monopolizing the land. If palestine won and destroyed Israel it wouldn't be like the end of Star Wars 6, the workers will have to go be exploited the next day and chances are the billionaire muslim brothers running that shit will be the usual bourgeois religgers annoying everyone trying to have fun and running CIA black sites or hosting US military bases for money a year later like they always end up doing. That said the genocide would stop which would be an objectively good thing but that's it really.

>>2954811
>heh! I know I am but
Nobody cares, kill yourself redditor ziotard


>>2954813
>yes
Yes you are a zionazi
>great russian chauvinism opposes nazism
No it doesn't
>there is no contradiction in that sentence
there is no contradiction in that sentence
There is, those that oppose their own genocide don't operate under the same logic of those who wish to genocide them. Simple, only a zionazi would try to obfuscate this

>zionazi rhetoric is believing any "nation" has a right to land

No faggot, zionazi rhetoric is espousing all claims to land by all groups of people are the same regardless of their actual circumstances. Thus equivocating perpetrator and victim

>i….i…it's fake and i don't even care even though I brought it up

zionazi retard

>>2954835
>yes you are a zionazi
i'm not doing literally what you're accusing the poster above of doing w/u, i get you're only here to shill ml offsite #1918 nobody wants to use bc not even mls want to tolerate their ideological brethren's' level of dishonesty, but at least try to come off as above the age of 12 here please
>no it doesn't
yes it does, one elevates the russian nation as rightful oppressor, the other deems them only fit for oppression, they are fundamentally opposed
>there is no contradiction in that sentence
thanks for agreeing!
>there is, those that oppose their own genocide don't operate under the same logic of those who wish to genocide them. Simple, only a zionazi would try to obfuscate this
yes, opposing genocide does not automatically make you support genocide, that's not what i'm saying. i'm saying that accepting any nation has an inherent "right" to land logically lends itself to genocide, which is bad. therefor, framing liberation in natlib is bad, last chance i'm giving you to demonstrate you understand this
>zionazi rhetoric is espousing all claims to land by all groups of people are the same regardless of their actual circumstances
zionism explicitly denies palestinian claims to the land, as nazism does in the case of slavs, these are the most simple tenants of those ideologies

i don't believe you but i also don't paticularly care, move on

>>2954858
>i get you're only here to shill ml offsite #1918 nobody wants to use bc not even mls want to tolerate their ideological brethren's' level of dishonesty
meds

>yes it does, one elevates the russian nation as rightful oppressor, the other deems them only fit for oppression, they are fundamentally opposed

Practically great russian chauvinism doesn't oppose nazism. Regardless, palestine is not russia so the point is moot from the getgo

>i'm saying that accepting any nation has an inherent "right" to land logically lends itself to genocide, which is bad. therefor, framing liberation in natlib is bad, last chance i'm giving you to demonstrate you understand this

Im saying your idealism about inherent qualities that nobody but you projects onto the discussion are in effect of obfuscation of the real relation between these nations on the ground. If palestinians were trying to colonize sudan or some shit you might have had a point, but they're not

>zionism explicitly denies palestinian claims to the land, as nazism does in the case of slavs, these are the most simple tenants of those ideologies

Yes because both are expressions of imperialism and colonial enterprises, not because of the vague connotation of "making a claim to land"

>i don't believe you but i also don't paticularly care, move on

Why tf would I bother with that shit retard? I think you're a piece of shit, I don't care if you believe me or not. You're free to keep coping about it


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