/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

yes, maoism is a personality cult that kills birds, but also liberated china and lifted it from serfdom to tier 1 country status.

My hot take relates to yours, that "History" as a proper noun is a false abstraction. There is only natural duration; History does not exist. Thus, politics cannot be a means to the end of a mythical "progress", but must have a rightful basis in ethics to be theoretically sound.

>>2911023
I mean every sociological or philosophical term is ultimately made up, but I think progress is real, and there is a certain drive that changes material conditions, if you think there is no functional difference between shitting in the woods or in a toilet then yeah history and progress aren't real, but then that sounds pedantic doesnt it?

You've got it exactly bsckwards: practice is the criterion of truth

ideology itself is arrogant and idiotic. to think that something as complex as human society could be neatly explained and accounted for in a book is absurd. it takes a complete set of multiple phonebook-sized volumes just to explain the inner workings of a pickup truck. you're telling me someone figured out how society works and wrote it all down in a book the size of a dime novel? get the fuck out of here.

>>2911026
>progress is real
But what is it?
What is it measured by?
I can't see it, smell it, hear it, etc. so it's not material, but conceptual.

>>2911031
Theory and "ideology" are not exactly the same

>>2911032
a raise of living standards? social equality? freedom from exploitation? there isn't a single thing to define it exactly but you know it exists, if you don't think the concept of better or worse don't apply to political discussion you are being pedantic as hell

>>2911031
it's a framework to understand reality, there are things that are more true and less true

if I say human relations are determined by race that point is fundamentally more inferior and retarded than if I say human relations are based on class

>>2911055
>if I say human relations are determined by race that point is fundamentally more inferior and retarded than if I say human relations are based on class
Until your analysis breaks down when it comes across americans

>>2911017
>solid foundation of theory
Did you ever consider that the theory is wrong?

>>2911019
mao zedong thought =/= maoism

maoism = 80s peruvian guy

>>2911023
>History does not exist.
found the Badiou-ist

>leftist bad takes
China is socialist.

>>2911250
China is socialist tho.
It's just closer to Yugoslavia than the Eastern Block.

my only "hot take" is that class struggle with proletarian characteristics is the only thing thats based and that everything else is a sham and humbug, it has gotten me called CIA, liberal, /pol/tard, etc. multiple times in this "leftist" website

Gorby is massively overhated, and the August coup is more responsibe for the collapse of the USSR than anything Gorby did

>>2911289
Gay. Gorby is hated for the 5 years before 1991. Plus Alexander Yakovlev admitted to deliberately sabotaging everything so august coup is nothing really.

Michael Heinrich is right and worldview-marxists kinda suck

>>2911307
Politics is the science of managing a state.
Ethics is the science of proper human action.
History is undefined in its own terms, so cannot be a type of knowledge.
>>2911055
When you invoke the term "progress", you imply motion; as a means to an end - physicalising History as something coming into completion. You are offering things you see as good and calling it "progress" in a flippant way. Is History really describing things just becoming better?

>>2911031
Trvke

>>2911319
>Ethics is the science of proper human action.
that's just moving the goalpost back to what "proper" is.

Marxism-Leninism is Advanced Feudalism
And this is good.

>>2911330
Somebody got upset at that:
>>2900346

>>2911328
Properness is the soundness of rational judgement.
That is, of what one ought to do, and ought not to do.
Different ethical systems have different criteria of properness.

I don't like venezuelans and they need to leave my country.

to continue the project of scientific socialism today you need to stop worshipping das capital as it is not how finance capital works (marx himself observed how 'fictitious capital' completely distorts the logic of the economy but he never put much analysis into it as he thought the capitalist system would collapse before that ever became an issue). there are no more crises of overproduction. there is no more class struggle. stop larping. when marx was writing, communism was a genuine spectre. strikes were rampant and all sorts of socialists were springing up. workers do not need to be told they are being exploited in the normative sense. if there is no mass action already present, then there is no reason to expect anything there. the future of a true leftist politics that is not ideological coping can only be reached by completely rethinking the present political terrain. everyone who does not do this is larping as some 20th century ideology that is completely irrelevant. we live in the 21st century. it is time to build something new

lenin a century ago pointed out that monopoly capital was already moving into a form of bourgeois socialism. that was a century ago. use your heads

a second hot take: politics is not about ideals. if the value form was so all powerful then the crises would propagate within state capitalism and push it towards socialism. but of course the ussr never had a crisis of overproduction anyways. rather than ideals, materialist politics should always be about what can actually be worked with given the inherent instabilities of the system. not the instabilities or contradictions you think the system should have - the actual contradictions. anything else is simply ideology

if i were to name the current contradictions, it is on one level the conflict between various capitalist powers, and on the other the contradiction between "freedom" and democracy (as thiel presciently observes). china resolved the latter contradiction by having the state own everything and all businesses simply having usufruct rights. this is what makes their class collaboration possible. on the other hand, neo-reaction's negation of american financial hegemony is what is currently working through the first contradiction within america

>>2912003
damn dude save some pussy for the rest of us

Not a particularly edgy one:

The Asiatic Mode of Production is understudied and if properly studied will reveal more and/or better insights useful for building sustainable socialism than either feudalism or capitalism.

Even pointing out there are no new hot takes is itself a cold take.

>>2912176
There is a contradiction between the sectors of the bourgeoisie that deal primarily with purely speculative capital and those that invest it in the manufacturing industry.

>leftist hot takes
Communism, the higher phase of it, is such a far away abstract idea that it's basically pointless to think about at all. Maybe it will happen in 1000 years but in the world we live in today it's unimaginable. I just want a socialist state that's not completely ruled by like 10 capitalist perverts and where every aspect of life isn't governed by what will maximize the short term profits for said perverts, god damn it.

>>2911244
he won btw

Poltardation ideology of being against multiculturalism is correct, however, I want to seggregate myself from people that would find my way of life problematic, not the opposite way

I don't want cyclist on the road, so I want to live in a city with no cyclists, at the same time, cyclists dislike cars and trucks, so cyclists might want to ban automobiles in their city

Seggregation must take place based on a wider spectrum of things that actually matters, not muh race

Islamism is not your allie, is just oppurtunism, how the fuck a self proclamied lefitist would support a religion that hates queer people, hates women is beyond me, the PSYOP is real.

>>2913085
Me personally I want to achieve communism not pursue liberal intersectionality

Hot take/ unpopular opinion threads are always just reactionary take laundering threads

>>2911017
my hot take OP is that the reason the ML and MLM movements appear to be more actionable is that all of the marxist-leninist republics are essentially the evolutionary missing link between liberal republicanism and higher levels of socialist development. I don't even mean this as a gotcha towards MLs a flawed revolution is still better than no revolution at all.

>>2911019
sparrows are revisionist

>>2913374
Wikipedia clearly states the primary food source of sparrows, and counterarguments included 1860s German experience of eradicating sparrows (no discernable effect) and tales about how there were 10 pairs of sparrows imported to New York, and modern research actually shown their population decrease by the millions as horses - and their feed - were replaced by cars, proving sparrow campaign to have been sensible

>>2913039
>Most Lefties would cry Fascist if they came across someone with the exact same positions Marx holds in it
Summoning the spirit of Engels at a seance and nervously asking whether Israelis or Palestinians are the völkerabfälle.

>>2913487
why are there so many poles on the leftcom subreddit?

>>2914899
go jack off in a corner, we don't want you here

It is psychologically impossible for most people to live communally on a large scale, beyond their immediately relations. Therefore, communism outside of literal communes of a few dozen/hundred like-minded people is impossible. Socialism is the farthest you will get at the state level, and states are necessary for collective defence - your little commune can be annihilated in a single airstrike.

>>2911017
Stalin is both overrated and overhated. Brezhnev wasn't as bad was people said he was. Maoism is the new Trotskyism. Getting rid of the Gang of Four and ending the Cultural Revolution is the second best thing that happened to China. Anti-Communists actually have somewhat of a point when they say "Communism is against human nature."
>the ideologies that are more retarded, emotional, biased and ignorant, the ideologies filled with magical thinking and moralism, those are the ideologies that actually drive history foward (maoism, third worldism)
MTWs aren't going to change anything because they (Like what is now called "Woke 1.0") are a controlled opposition whose purpose is to prevent any real change from happening.
>>2913039
>The dream of most Western Leftists is to be bougie artisans who luck out with monopoly rights to a successful IP they can live on forever, hence why most Leftists become hilariously reactionary when you bring up reducing Copyright laws or AI.
Either that or a well-paid academic that gets to tell poor people to "check their settler privilege" from their gentrified neighborhood. It always comes down to class and most of Western leftoidism is the politics of the jilted petit-bourgeoisie. Most of these people are only "communist" not because they actually support communism but because they oppose their own countries. If they were Russians or Chinese, they'd be liberals. Tumblr is their past, BadEmpanda is their present and Van Jones is their inevitable future.
>Materialist Analysis often leads to positions that would be considered laughably immoral by most of the left, but it doesn't really matter because they are the true position. Read Marx's positions in Critique of the Gotha Program. How much of the modern Left would actually agree with Marx's materialist positions in it? Most Lefties would cry Fascist if they came across someone with the exact same positions Marx holds in it lmao.
Anybody that actually follows dialectical and historical materialism to its logical conclusion knows that it leads to something that today's leftoids would definitely not like. I bet that the majority of these people would have opposed Lenin and the Bolsheviks if they had lived back in 1917.
>AI is probably the single greatest development in production since the Assembly Line is is the exact form of technology that will drive Capitalist contradiction to the breaking point.
I wouldn't say that. It was around before the AI boom and it'll be around when NVidia, OpenAI and Oracle can no longer play potato with 300 billion dollars but I wouldn't compare information technology to a factory assembly line. If there's anything that I say brings a revolution in production like the assembly line, its the dark factories that are completely staffed by robots.
>Instead the Left has been arguing essentially to ban all technological development and AI from existence.
It's amazing how leftoids (Including "M-Ls") have internalized utterly reactionary positions that would have been called such in the USSR.

>>2911017
There are at least 20 more years before the international reserve army of labor runs out and capitalism really begins to collapse.

Dialectial materialism is the most advanced method for understanding reality but most Marxists believe in 18th century mechanical materialism and mistake it for dialectics. Heraclitus fragments should be mandatory reading.

Identitarian groups and minority discussion are the last shovels of earth on top of the tomb of the revolution. The divisiveness of these movements is anti-revolutionary to the bones and has been co-opted by zionist capitalism a long time ago (if not fabricated by it). Feminism, anti-racism, gay movements, are all, 100% financed by capitalists and instrumentalized by CIA, Mossad and the sort. It only benefits capitalism.
If the revolutionaries don't start focusing strictly on class struggle right now, the struggle will be lost for fucking ever. It lacks so much objectivity in the left. It lacks focus, many great minds in play are being completely wasted in debates, subjective drama and terminology discussions. It seems like most of people have never believed in any type of revolution at all. What the fuck are we waiting for to actually do something? Another Luigi? This guy's attitude should have moved masses towards at least some interesting havoc against swines. Everything seems paralyzed. Much because of lack of cohesion these identitarian woke motherfuckers produced within the revolutionary movements.