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communist ideolgy falls on a sliding scale

the ideologies that are the most objectively correct and have a solid foundation of theory are the less actionable armchair ideologies that never get anything done (leftcoms, anarchists)

the ideologies that are more retarded, emotional, biased and ignorant, the ideologies filled with magical thinking and moralism, those are the ideologies that actually drive history foward (maoism, third worldism)

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yes, maoism is a personality cult that kills birds, but also liberated china and lifted it from serfdom to tier 1 country status.

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My hot take relates to yours, that "History" as a proper noun is a false abstraction. There is only natural duration; History does not exist. Thus, politics cannot be a means to the end of a mythical "progress", but must have a rightful basis in ethics to be theoretically sound.

>>2911023
I mean every sociological or philosophical term is ultimately made up, but I think progress is real, and there is a certain drive that changes material conditions, if you think there is no functional difference between shitting in the woods or in a toilet then yeah history and progress aren't real, but then that sounds pedantic doesnt it?

You've got it exactly bsckwards: practice is the criterion of truth

ideology itself is arrogant and idiotic. to think that something as complex as human society could be neatly explained and accounted for in a book is absurd. it takes a complete set of multiple phonebook-sized volumes just to explain the inner workings of a pickup truck. you're telling me someone figured out how society works and wrote it all down in a book the size of a dime novel? get the fuck out of here.

>>2911026
>progress is real
But what is it?
What is it measured by?
I can't see it, smell it, hear it, etc. so it's not material, but conceptual.

>>2911031
Theory and "ideology" are not exactly the same

>>2911032
a raise of living standards? social equality? freedom from exploitation? there isn't a single thing to define it exactly but you know it exists, if you don't think the concept of better or worse don't apply to political discussion you are being pedantic as hell

>>2911031
it's a framework to understand reality, there are things that are more true and less true

if I say human relations are determined by race that point is fundamentally more inferior and retarded than if I say human relations are based on class

>>2911055
>if I say human relations are determined by race that point is fundamentally more inferior and retarded than if I say human relations are based on class
Until your analysis breaks down when it comes across americans

>>2911017
>solid foundation of theory
Did you ever consider that the theory is wrong?

>>2911019
mao zedong thought =/= maoism

maoism = 80s peruvian guy

>>2911023
>History does not exist.
found the Badiou-ist

>leftist bad takes
China is socialist.

>>2911250
China is socialist tho.
It's just closer to Yugoslavia than the Eastern Block.

>communist ideology
>ideologies that are objectively correct
>ideology drives history forward

my only "hot take" is that class struggle with proletarian characteristics is the only thing thats based and that everything else is a sham and humbug, it has gotten me called CIA, liberal, /pol/tard, etc. multiple times in this "leftist" website

Gorby is massively overhated, and the August coup is more responsibe for the collapse of the USSR than anything Gorby did

>>2911289
Gay. Gorby is hated for the 5 years before 1991. Plus Alexander Yakovlev admitted to deliberately sabotaging everything so august coup is nothing really.

>>2911023
>doesn't believe in history
<still somehow believes in politics and ethics

Michael Heinrich is right and worldview-marxists kinda suck

>>2911307
Politics is the science of managing a state.
Ethics is the science of proper human action.
History is undefined in its own terms, so cannot be a type of knowledge.
>>2911055
When you invoke the term "progress", you imply motion; as a means to an end - physicalising History as something coming into completion. You are offering things you see as good and calling it "progress" in a flippant way. Is History really describing things just becoming better?


>>2911319
>Ethics is the science of proper human action.
that's just moving the goalpost back to what "proper" is.

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Marxism-Leninism is Advanced Feudalism
And this is good.

>>2911330
Somebody got upset at that:
>>2900346

>>2911328
Properness is the soundness of rational judgement.
That is, of what one ought to do, and ought not to do.
Different ethical systems have different criteria of properness.


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