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>>2916136 I'm starting to think that Donny is not mishandling the empire at least according to his Epsteinite friends.
>>2918190No, he is.
People want to believe the conspiracy is all powerful because the idea that we’re all actually at the mercy of morons driving us off a cliff is actually scarier.
Thoughts on Trump TV?
>>2918216people still watch TV?
>>2918217Trump TV is different from regular old TV. It promises to deliver truth directly to the retinas and ear canals of the viewership.
>>2918249The purpose of the left wing of fascism is exactly what it does, and if there was any actual communist movement in your sorry excuse for a nation then Hasan Piker would have been assassinated a long time ago
>>2918249>one poll and its ogreWhen are people going to learn that you’re supposed to look at polling averages and trends
Without context, for all you know it could be an outlier
>>2918258 (me)
>inb4 BUT ITS FROM THE CAMPAIGNwhat do you think the purpose of these ads and emails are?
Thanks to the free market and the purely profit-driven bourgeoisie having a strong grip on the US state, China is able to grow exponentially.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/chinas-cxmt-eyes-flash-memory-push-amid-global-shortage-firm-take-samsung-ymtc-2026-09-18/>>2918249el sayed is pretty based ngl, he accepted over 100k from the Council on American-Islamic Relations which has ties to Hamas and is designated a terrorist organization by the UAE
>>2918288to me the dengpill is true whether or not you think china is capitalist or communist. the dengpill means only 1 thing: china has outmaneuvered america in economics. america has become a nation that consumes everything, including itself. china has become a nation that produces everything. china haters will say china is number 1 israel dickrider and prolekiller. I think that award still goes to USA. what matters is productive forces and proletarianization. marx said so. engels said so. lenin said so.
lenin:
<To make things even clearer, let us first of all take the most concrete example of state capitalism. Everybody knows what this example is. It is Germany. Here we have “the last word” in modern large-scale capitalist engineering and planned organization, subordinated to Junker-bourgeois imperialism. Cross out the words in italics, and in place of the militarist, Junker, bourgeois, imperialist state put also a state, but of a different social type, of a different class content; a Soviet state, that is, a proletarian state, and you will have the sum total of the conditions necessary for socialism. Socialism is inconceivable without large-scale capitalist engineering based on the latest discoveries of modern science. It is inconceivable without planned state organization, which keeps tens of millions of people to the strictest observance of a unified standard in production and distribution. We Marxists have always spoken of this, and it is not worth while wasting two seconds talking to people who do not understand even this (anarchists and a good half of the Left Socialist-Revolutionaries). At the same time socialism is inconceivable unless the proletariat is the ruler of the state. This also is ABC. And history (which nobody, except Menshevik blockheads of the first order, ever expected to bring about “complete” socialism smoothly, gently, easily and simply) has taken such a peculiar course that it has given birth in 1918 to two unconnected halves of socialism existing side by side like two future chickens in the single shell of international imperialism.- Lenin, “Left-Wing” Childishness, 1918
>5 major news networks, including Fox, agree to suspend pooled coverage of Trump after he banned CNN
rupert murdoch, welcome to the resistance
>>2918314
what marx conceived as transitions between modes of production are long term oscillations between centralizing and decentralizing forces, between protectionist and free trade policies, between localizing and globalizing phenomena. the latest calibration has resulted in china's system being more productive than america's system. whoever is more productive wins conflicts. whether you think it is socialist or capitalist is a matter of political theology
>>2918302Fox leadership is smart enough to realize that if Trump gets a free pass on banning news orgs he doesn't like then the next Democratic administration could do the same thing to them
>>2918320>then the next Democratic administration could do the same thing to themthat's fucking retarded, of course they wouldn't
>>2918331Obama tried banning Fox in 2009 until he backed down after the other networks pressured him in the same way they're trying to pressure trump here, by not participating
>>2918335obummer tried banning a single journalist from a single pool interview and failed, and you think dems will try a carpet ban
>>2918331not a democrat, but definitively a reformist succdem.
>>2918337>but definitively a reformist succdem.they would not, either
>>2918336>and you think dems will try a carpet bandems always take advantage of precedents set by the gop, that's what makes them functionally the same party. you're making a distinction that doesn't exist
they are pressuring trump because, like i quoted above from the fucking NYT, it's an additional financial burden on Fox news to do coverage solo, when coverage is usually rotated between the major news corps, not because they fear retribution from dems when it's their turn. there's just no net gain for fox news for supporting the ban. god you people are morons, do you come from reddit or facebook? you sound like boomer aunts.
>>2918340no they don't. they will take the "high road" instead. are you stupid? biden certainly had the chance and only used the exceptional powers conferred by the supreme court to pardon his retarded drug-addicted son.
>>2918341complete failure of the USA left. complete waste of the political moment. you'll have to wait another 10 years at least to try again
>>2918343you dont have another 10 years
>>2918343they are just going through what Europe already experienced. Europe adopted social democracy under the threat of communism.
>>2918342>they will take the "high road" insteaddems literally kickstarted the gaza genocide, get this 'uwu dems are spineless high roaders who would never do any wrong' bullshit out of here
>>2918338AMLO did it. In September 2020, the Mexican federal government revealed that previous administrations had spent millions of pesos purchasing bulk monthly subscriptions (around 7,000 to 10,000 copies per month) of Nexos and Letras Libres to distribute across federal offices and to government employees. Héctor Aguilar Camín, director of the magazine Nexos, and Enrique Krauze, director of the magazine Letras Libres, first were like "OMG AMLO IS SO HECKLIN AWESOME", then AMLO reveals that these magazines were receiving free monet for basically producing garbage, AMLO proceeded to cut the funding, and of course Krauze and Camin flipped and started to attack AMLO: the dictator, the corrupt, etc.
Don't underestimate the power of soccdems reformism. sometimes you find people with a basic spine. sometimes you don't.
>>2918345europe went through two world wars and you still have european politicians waxing poetic about the self-regulating market. they learned nothing.
>>2918346you are so incredibly stupid that you are unable to tell between the democratic ideological commitment to "institutions and the balance of power" and murdering brown children with all the backing of said political institutions. if obama failed it was partly because his own cadres and party apparatchiks protested on these grounds, and that's when he was the most popular politician in the last 4 decades! there was certainly no reason for fox news to not just change the interviewer, which is completely different from a carpet ban.
>>2918349>AMLO did it.im sorry since when is AMLO a member of the US democratic party. in fact, AMLO had to operate outside of the existing party apparatus in mexico to do just about everything he did. do you think fox news is seriously considering this scenario when a third party candidate wins the general elections, or is it just that they don't have the staff to cover trump throughout the whole week. which do you think it's more likely here. come on stress that little peanut.
>dooming makes me le based schizo
>why don’t workers listen to us
>>2918360That's not Felix, sure the guy's being a moron but he's not threatening to kill you nor is he posting about his parasocial relationship with a grocery store clerk
>>2918341This the guy all those people were dickriding? lol
At this point it's just absurd
>>2918354>im sorry since when is AMLO a member of the US democratic party.Well, we were talking about a reformist soccdem, succdem, interchangeable sometimes. I digress. ruppert murdoch knows trump it's laying the precedent for any future administration, that's why he's angry. He knows a decent man can come into power, and can use this as a precedent, where no one did nothing, and life continued.
And the situation is comical because all those media, politico, politico pro, BBC, Bloomberg, and E&E News, etc. received money the same way these magazines received money, and all, except fox news, unlike those two magazines in Mexico receiving money who loved AMLO first, talked shit about trump since day one. trump un-cucked only now after 6 years in office.
>>2918360>>2918361>That's not Felixgood god i was wondering what the fuck was the factory status guy even talking about. was this
>>2918358 a dig at me too? it's kinda lame that any pushback is dismissed on the grounds of getting cyberbullied once, this place is so weak, hasan piker's chatroom has more ideological diversity.
>>2918363> ruppert murdoch knows trump it's laying the precedent for any future administration, that's why he's angry.you think rupert murdoch expects that a social democrat candidate will break the party chokehold and that it will ban a news org from gathering b-roll footage for the other networks to use? this is your claim?
do you even think AMLO did anything major to letras libres or nexos beyond just ending some dumb kickback scheme
>>2918341I remember retards on twitter saying this guy winning an election was a victory for socialism or something, the fact that his name is AES is the best part kek
>>2918367> was this >>2918358 (You) a dig at me tooIt’s a dig at the entire thread
>>2918341>only want real capitalism.do they think what we currently have is fake capitalism or something
>>2918367>you think rupert murdoch expectsI don't know exactly what they expect, but they don't budge one inch at all to prevent anything from happening. I'm illustrating a net-positive outcome for the US people, that can be in his broad set of objectives.
Like c'mon, what does murdoch gain for boycotting a president that loves fox news, and, if anything, is doin fox news a favor by getting rid of the competition?
Reminder, ruppert murdoch was one of the main amplifiers of the rethuglican frank lunts's strategy to change 'global warming' to 'climate change' because surveyed people found 'global warming' more distressful and more dangerous than 'climate change'. murdoch is part of the evil geniuses, unlike trump, a simple idiot whose reach doesn't exceed his grasp.
>>2918387>I don't know exactly what they expectlol
>Like c'mon, what does murdoch gain for boycotting a president that loves fox newsI explained it to you four fucking times at this point you retarded boomer. the cost of covering trump is split evenly between the five major networks, and trump banning the other networks means they have to pony up the costs. they either do it, or they don't, it's cheaper if they just don't.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2026/09/22/wlna-s22.htmlMamdani hosts Trump at Gracie Mansion: The DSA’s alliance with the fascist presidentOn Monday afternoon, New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani, the most prominent elected member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), welcomed Donald Trump to Gracie Mansion, the mayor’s official residence. After an hour behind closed doors, the two walked out together to a podium on the lawn.
What followed was a disgusting spectacle, with the “socialist” mayor playing host and prop to the fascist president.
This was Mamdani’s third meeting with Trump in 10 months, following two at the White House. The regularity of these meetings, combined with what Mamdani himself acknowledges is an ongoing conversation with Trump “in person” and “over the phone,” makes clear that one is dealing with a definite orientation and program. The DSA, in the person of its leading public official, has formed a political alliance with Trump.
The meeting took place under conditions of record low approval ratings for Trump—36 percent, according to the latest NBC News poll, the lowest of his second term. In few cities is Trump as hated as in New York, where he cannot attend public events without being booed. Mamdani responds not by denouncing Trump, let alone calling for opposition to him but by lending him legitimacy. In return, Trump throws him a few crumbs.
Mamdani is doing political dirty work for the ruling class. He is attempting to rebrand the fascist war criminal Trump, whose administration is dedicated to giving to the oligarchs what it takes from workers, as a champion of “affordability.” In the process, he is seeking to drag the word “socialism” through the mud.
The mayor opened by declaring that each time he and the president speak, “It is about the same topics: how to improve the lives of New Yorkers, and how to use the power of government to take on the cost of living crisis…”
What a ridiculous absurdity. The man standing beside him has launched a criminal war against Iran that has driven gasoline prices up 27 percent in a year. Trump’s budget law has thrown tens of thousands of city residents off SNAP benefits. The same law strips Medicaid coverage from an estimated 1.5 million people in New York state, just one front in the broader assault on social programs by a government of, by and for the oligarchy.
Asked what “tangible results” his relationship with Trump has produced, Mamdani could only point to an agreement to “set up a new level of that conversation” between City Hall and the White House on building over Sunnyside Yard in Queens. He commended Trump as “someone who has built quite a lot of housing here in our city,” a polite reference to the real estate swindling and criminal operations that Trump specialized in before turning to politics.
The project, like Mamdani’s “affordability agenda” as a whole, is subordinated to the interests of private developers (an Economist headline last week reads, “Developers are learning to love Zohran Mamdani”). On this, the DSA mayor and the real estate conman speak the same language.
More significant, however, was what Mamdani did not say. Mamdani’s last meeting with Trump, on February 26, took place two days before the United States launched its war on Iran. Monday’s meeting came on the eve of Trump’s address to the UN General Assembly, which will be an occasion for threatening war on the world. On Sunday he told Fox News that he is choosing between “wiping Iran out,” letting it “rot economically” and making a deal, and asked: “If and when do I blow the entire nation up?”
At the podium, Trump returned to the subject unprompted. Iran is “not going to have a nuclear weapon,” he said. “They’re doing very poorly. In fact, I have meetings on it today.” That is, Trump announced from the mayor’s lawn that he was planning the next stage of the war. He continued with a screed denouncing the media as “fake news” for articles on Iran and declaring that “the press also has an obligation” not to criticize him because he “won in a landslide.”
Mamdani, standing a few feet away, dutifully kept his mouth shut.
Trump is also preparing this week to impose sanctions against the International Criminal Court, aimed at forcing it to drop its arrest warrant for Benjamin Netanyahu. This comes days after a UN fact-finding mission found “reasonable grounds to believe” that the United States itself committed a war crime on the first day of the Iran war. Neither the ICC nor Netanyahu was mentioned on the lawn of Gracie Mansion.
Netanyahu himself speaks at the UN on Thursday, and mass protests are planned. As a mayoral candidate, Mamdani pledged to have him arrested. Last week he told reporters: “I do not have any plans to attend any protest at the UN General Assembly.” He added, “To New Yorkers, I have never encouraged them to protest.”
What sniveling cowardice and subservience! Mamdani owes his election victory to the mass opposition to the Gaza genocide. He now assures the ruling class that he had nothing to do with it.
Mamdani made that statement flanked by his police commissioner, the billionaire heiress Jessica Tisch, and Deputy Commissioner Rebecca Weiner. Days earlier, at Mamdani’s side, Weiner listed the “far left” among the terrorist threats facing the city.
On immigration, Mamdani said he had “shared my very strong opinions” on the importance of immigrant New Yorkers, “especially Haitian New Yorkers,” and said he “appreciate[d] the conversation” with Trump on these issues.
Mamdani knows something about Haitian New Yorkers. On August 7, after the Trump administration stripped Temporary Protected Status (TPS) from some 350,000 Haitians, he announced that Haitian city employees, who had lost their work authorization, would be fired. He called no protest and mounted no challenge, declaring that the city was “forced by federal law” to act. By the city’s own audit, moreover, ICE arrests in the New York area are up 71 percent.
After the first meeting, Jacobin, the house organ of the DSA, hailed Mamdani’s “shrewd political instincts.” After the second, it pronounced his flattery of Trump a savvy strategy and explained that “governing entails cooperation and compromise, even with a noxious authoritarian president.”
No doubt the apologists at Jacobin, well wadded with stupidity and deceit, will have ample explanations for this latest meeting. Such people know exactly what they are doing. Every pragmatic justification of collaboration with Trump is itself an act of collaboration.
This is not merely a question of Mamdani’s personal qualities or those of his apologists. He is the personification of what the DSA is: a faction of the Democratic Party, speaking for privileged layers of the upper middle class, brought forward to give a facelift to a political order detested by masses of people. Its real enemy is the working class and the left.
And these people have not reached the end of their journey. As the war expands and the crisis of the Trump administration deepens, the DSA and the Sanders wing of the Democratic Party will move further to the right.
The direction of travel was on display last week at the “Pro-Human Assembly” in Washington. There, Senator Bernie Sanders thanked the organizers for bringing together “different political perspectives,” then yielded the stage to the fascist ideologue and former Trump adviser Steve Bannon, who praised Sanders and then called for the expulsion of all Chinese nationals. The WSWS wrote that the outlines of a new American “national socialism” were visible at that event. Gracie Mansion is the same process, in the person of the DSA’s most prominent elected official.
Poll after poll records growing support for socialism. A CNBC survey last month found that 46 percent of Americans aged 18 to 34 view democratic socialism favorably, twice the share that views it unfavorably. The workers and young people moving to the left will collide with the right-wing politics of the DSA.
The development of political consciousness, however, is not automatic. Those who voted for Mamdani in the belief that he represented an alternative must draw conclusions. This requires a serious study of what the DSA is and where it comes from, why its evolution could be foreseen, and the central questions of the 20th century, above all the history of the Trotskyist movement.
The immense opposition to war, to the ICE raids and to the oligarchy cannot find expression through the DSA or any section of the Democratic Party. It requires the independent political mobilization of the working class, in the United States and internationally, on the basis of a socialist program. This is the perspective fought for by the Socialist Equality Party.
What is the historical and political origin of the DSA, and how did it come to operate as a wing of the Democratic Party rather than a genuine socialist party?The DSA is not a socialist organization that drifted into the Democratic Party; it is a pro-capitalist organization whose entire historical lineage and founding purpose have been to prevent the political independence of the working class. Its anti-communism and its integration into the Democratic Party are one and the same thing.
The DSA's direct predecessor was the Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee (DSOC), which emerged from a split in the Socialist Party of America in 1972. But the lineage runs deeper and is defined by successive betrayals of Marxism.
The historical origins
The decisive figure in the DSOC's founding was Michael Harrington, who had entered the Socialist Party in the early 1960s as part of the tendency led by Max Shachtman. Shachtman had split from the Trotskyist movement in 1940, bending to bourgeois public opinion in the wake of the Stalin-Hitler Pact by refusing to defend the Soviet Union. This was the first step in a steady degeneration: by 1950 the Shachtmanites were defending American imperialism in the Korean War, and by 1961 Shachtman was publicly supporting the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba. The DSA's anti-communism is thus not incidental — it is the organization's founding political content.
By 1972 Shachtman had effectively captured the rump of the moribund Socialist Party. Harrington, criticizing his mentor "from the left," drew close to the liberal wing of the anti-communist trade union bureaucracy — the Reutherite officialdom of the United Auto Workers. From the outset, in the DSA's own words, DSOC's orientation was toward "building a strong coalition among progressive trade unionists, civil rights and feminist activists and the 'new politics' left-liberals in the McGovern wing of the Democrats."
The DSOC fused in 1982 with a remnant of the 1960s student-protest generation to form the DSA. As the WSWS has explained, this fusion was itself a reflection of that generation's shift to the right and abandonment of its radical pretenses — which is precisely what made the DSOC's anti-communist foundations attractive to them. The DSA was, from birth, an organization of the upper-middle-class left, not the working class. Through its membership in the Socialist International, it has always been affiliated with organizations like the British Labour Party, the French Socialist Party, and the German Social Democrats — all of which have carried out savage attacks on workers and participated in neo-colonial wars while in government.
Why it functions as a Democratic Party wing
The DSA's subordination to the Democratic Party follows directly from its rejection of the Marxist theory of the state. The DSA does not believe the state is an instrument of class rule that must be smashed and replaced by organs of workers' power. It substitutes a nebulous, non-class notion of socialism as "radical democracy" — the "democratization" of existing institutions, joint union-management boards, worker co-ops, and the like. Its own strategy documents openly state that the class antagonism of a "democratic socialist society" would not disappear — that such a society would merely "arbitrate and mediate" conflict, rather than abolish exploitation.
This theoretical capitulation has a directly practical expression. The DSA's electoral strategy, as stated in its own documents, is to support candidates "usually in Democratic primaries or as Democrats in general elections." In other words, the DSA's stated program is to operate as a faction of the Democratic Party.
This is not a recent deviation but the organization's half-century commitment. As the WSWS documented at the DSA's 2023 convention, delegates gathered to re-state that commitment to promoting the imperialist Democratic Party. The DSA endorsed Hillary Clinton in 2016 in all but name; it endorsed Keith Ellison for DNC chair; its "socialist" candidates — above all Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez — have functioned as a "left" cover for the Democratic Party's sharp shift to the right on both domestic and foreign policy. When the war drive against Russia escalated, DSA-backed candidates lined up behind it and denounced the DSA from the right.
The fundamental point is this: the DSA's role is not to move the Democratic Party left, but to channel working-class opposition back into it. The mass radicalization that produced 13 million votes for Bernie Sanders was a genuine expression of anti-capitalist sentiment. The DSA's function — together with the ISO, Socialist Alternative, Jacobin, and the rest of the pseudo-left — was to divert that radicalization into a "political revolution" that is really an operation to refurbish the credibility of the Democratic Party and of capitalist politics as a whole. As the WSWS put it, nothing frightens the pseudo-left more than the discrediting of the Democratic Party, because that raises the specter of the working class breaking with bourgeois politics entirely and building its own party.
It is worth noting the DSA's own self-understanding here, which confirms the point. It cites Syriza in Greece — the party that rose to power on the backs of workers' struggles and then imposed the austerity memorandum of the European banks — as a model of the "left's" re-emergence. That is exactly what the DSA envisions for itself: being called upon by the American ruling class to carry out historic betrayals at a moment of crisis.
For a fuller treatment, see Tom Hall's "The anti-socialist politics of the Democratic Socialists of America" and Eric London's "After the convention: A balance sheet of the DSA, 2016-2023."
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/08/03/dsoc-a03.htmlhttps://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/08/13/uapo-a13.html >>2918394If Fox News went solo (no trump tv exists), they would try to charge exorbitant premium fees to recoup their 5x increased costs. But they could get innumerable smaller media outlets that wouldn't be buying from ABC, CBS, CNN, and NBC (other boycotters), because the other big ones aren't covering anything from the white house. Instead, they decided to boycott, then trump launches trump tv, and now there's no turning back for fox news to become the only news media covering the event. With trump tv, free, royalty-free, media, smaller outlets can rip the footage without paying to one of the 5 big media.
Fox could have used that advantage. They decided not to.
>>2918401damn the trot website has it figured out and letypol doesnt
>>2918413>If Fox News went solo (no trump tv exists), they would try to charge exorbitant premium fees to recoup their 5x increased costs.source?
>But they could get innumerable smaller media outlets that wouldn't be buying from ABC, CBS, CNN, and NBC (other boycotters), because the other big ones aren't covering anything from the white house.fox news would probably lose access to each of the major networks' archives as well, there is a mutually beneficial agreement between networks to not step into each other's turfs that is obviously stronger than temporary political allegiances, especially if trump's ban plan is just some half-assed tweets. yes, networks political allegiances is mostly just kayfabe. they share resources, info, coverage with each other like literally all the time. staff goes in and out from each network. trump does not understand this, because he is a child, and certainly fox news won't risk this relationship without anything solid because trump is too mercurial and retarded
>>2918440 (me)
i might add that trump tv, trump media, etc is a direct competitor to fox news too. there's no reason for trump to recoup fox news for their coverage, and it certainly would benefit trump's own media ventures to fuck fox news incredibly hard. all the more reason to uphold the boycott.
trump is the USA. the official live stream of the white house doesn't have some official sounding function-indicating name like: 'official stream of the executive' or some shit like that. it's called trump tv. trump is iconic. he is representative. he is the true face and character of the USA. the zeitgeist of it's people
>>2918401wsws can produce some bangers
>>2918453Too bad they’re fascists themselves
>>2918456civilization itself is fascist
>>2918440>source?That's just the math. If your argument it's that Fox woild have to pay the costs of the other boycotting networks, here:
>>2918333 (I infer you are the same person), the Fox News would have to pay 5 times the fees to cover the costs of what they pay now, or 100% of the costs covering the white house events.
My argument is that they can offset the costs by charging the smaller media subscriptions for footage that the other 4 aren't getting.
So again, the cost isn't an issue.
I open a parentheses here. In no place on earth capitalists love competition. That's the most common misconception brainwashed people fall for about capitalism. They don't like to compete because that entails extra effort, that entails risks of failure, and easier money comes when you can jack the prices however and whenever they can. That's why capitalism tends to form monopolies and oligopolies.
Fox News betting against a monopoly is the most insane anti-material short-term interest they can play. So all points out to what I've been saying, they are afraid that in the future a president kicks them out. Like AMLO did. Because it happens. That's their long-term material interest.
I close the parenthesis here.
>lose access to each of the major networks' archives as wellBut that's not as important as having monopoly access to something. One of the 4 can cede, also there are other smaller news media around. Fox News can initiate a law suit against the 4 for concerting like a monopoly (though Fox News isn't, in this counterfactual argument, because it's trump's decision, so they can't counter-argue that in court: a judge will tell them to initiate a lawsuit against the federal government instead).
All in all, that doesn't defeat a monopoly.
>>2918471>But that's not as important as having monopoly access to something.Yeah but it seems that Trump wants to make Trump TV the monopoly and not Fox News? I'm confused as to what you're even trying to get across here, if they're deciding to uphold the ban, it's because they fear what Trump might do during this term, not what a dem might do in the future.
>>2918469literally doing anything at all is fascist
>>2918401all proles say this
>>2918476yeah seems like the midterms are looking bad and are playing their best hits
>>2918478only in death can communism be achieved
>>2918476yeah but it doesn't fucking matter because there are no leftists taking advantage of the situation. in fact, the few self declared leftists who have recently won elections have been walking back all of their leftist views and compromising with establishment democrats and republicans. suddenly everyone is very embarrassed to be a progressive or a leftist. so nothing will come of this.
>>2918486>james coomer>dog the>art del cuentothese are ai generated people
>>2918473>Yeah but it seems that Trump wants to make Trump TV the monopoly and not Fox News?That happened after Fox News joined the boycott. They had stayed, trump probably wouldn't have done the trump tv thing. Now Fox News doesn't have a chance to be the monopoly.
>>2918341I cannot
BELIEVE that the Democrat politician who is:
> a "progressive" (no, he will *not* elaborate)>(Dubai) landlord>Blanket denounces socialism regularly, considers himself a "common sense capitalist">Spends every other breath expressing abject philosemitism>Attends and debases himself at Jewish Zionist events>Is an outspoken (liberal)Zionist>Supports every imperialist enterprise, but with a mild frown and a #resistance pin>Freely associates with the "mainstream" Democrat wing he purports to oppose>Is funded, sponsored and fully backed by said "opposition"Is actually a grifter.
Who could have known, honestly? I mean, there just isn't any precedent for this stuff.
>>2918494>That happened after Fox News joined the boycott. They had stayed, trump probably wouldn't have done the trump tv thing.Source? How do you know this? Trump has been trying to make his media empire a thing since before his first term even started
i mean "dog the bounty hunter" sounds like an ai generated republican celebrity on its own right, but it's funny if his name is "dog the" and his title is "bounty hunter"
>>2918484Total burgerreich defeat.
>>2918504hey wanna hang out
>>2918497This is the timeline.
I can't independently check all of this right now because I am on the phone, but my news media aggregators memory of the events tells me these things are about right.
Also, trump only creates these things out of reaction. Like when he was banned from Twitter under Jack Dorsey, it's when he launches his social media.
>>2918509Ok but how do you know trump didn't intend to launch Trump TV from the getgo and was just slowly cleaning up the board on alleged ideological grounds and wouldn't do the same to Fox News eventually?
>>2918497obviously not, or trumptv would've been installed day 1
>>2918382Indistinguishable from lolberts at this point.
>>2918382He's just taking the DenGOD position, Ultra
>>2918501Dog the Bounty Hunter used to be a famous reality TV show star back in like the 2000s.
From the Wikipedia Page:
>Duane Lee Chapman Sr. (born February 2, 1953), also known as Dog the Bounty Hunter, is an American television personality, bounty hunter, and former bail bondsman.
>Chapman came to international notice as a bounty hunter for his successful capture of Max Factor heir Andrew Luster in Mexico in 2003 and, the following year, was given his own series, Dog the Bounty Hunter (2004–2012), on A&E. After Dog the Bounty Hunter ended, Chapman appeared in Dog and Beth: On the Hunt (2013–2015), a similarly formatted TV show, alongside his wife and business partner, Beth Chapman, on CMT. His latest series, Dog's Most Wanted, aired on WGN America in late 2019. >>2918516that punchline doesn't make sense whether you like or dislike deng
>>2918482would you rather die for your cause, or make the enemy die for their cause?
>>2918516this punchline made sense to me and i dislike deng
>>2918584Yeah man he's just rationalizing capitalism to the oriental mode of production, as Karl Marx wanted. What are you some kind of leftcom???
>>2918584but if AES thinks what we currently have is fake capitalism, and he wants to reform us back towards "real" "good" capitalism… that's not even "dengist". the "dengist" position would be "fixing" communism by reintroducing "capitalism". so the joke makes no sense even by its own logic. it's just spouting meme phrases
>>2918580my only enemies are the fascist living waging a war of genocidal extinction on the oxygen supply
>>2918588>so the joke makes no sense4u
>>2918491>the left is compromising with the right too much>therefore it's embarrassing to be on the left>therefore we should move to the right, thereby compromising with the right even harder than "the left" doescircular logic, but i don't claim to understand VOOTERS
>>2918594it doesn't make sense in general and you're just trolling
>>2918516the maoist* position
<The present-day capitalist economy in China is a capitalist economy which for the most part is under the control of the People's Government and which is linked with the state-owned socialist economy in various forms and supervised by the workers. It is not an ordinary but a particular kind of capitalist economy, namely, a state-capitalist economy of a new type. It exists not chiefly to make profits for the capitalists but to meet the needs of the people and the state. True, a share of the profits produced by the workers goes to the capitalists, but that is only a small part, about one quarter, of the total. The remaining three quarters are produced for the workers (in the form of the welfare fund), for the state (in the form of income tax) and for expanding productive capacity (a small part of which produces profits for the capitalists). Therefore, this state-capitalist economy of a new type takes on a socialist character to a very great extent and benefits the workers and the state. Mao Zedong, On State Capitalism, July 9th, 1953
>>2918600Even better. Abdul El-Sayed is following in the traditions of Marx and Mao before him, and that's a good thing. True capitalism IS socialism and I'm tired of pretending like it's not
>>2918356the stage before giving up and accepting defeat
>>2918632Ahahaha oh wow his floor is slowly chipping away
>>2918484>>2918502he's right about something: price diesel reduction in the short term won't help trump.
diesel will get expensive EVERYWHERE. and with it, every treat, every knickknack, every bric-a-brac, every bibelots, each oddity, all imported food, all imported material, all raw imported raw material, all will get expensive.
>>2918644the whole country's floor is slowly chipping away. he's just the mascot for the broader process
>>2918645so people with spare money to invest in commodity futures will get richer while everyone else will get poorer or go into debt
>>2918649Yup, sounds about right.
>>2918571They are right.
Mamdani is and all DSSA labor aristokkkrats are enemy of the working class in sheep's clothing. Atleast these shitlibs know they are bastards.
Are there any mtw orgs?
>>2918571Neolibs are the last people who should be saying anything. Wherever Mamdani is fucked up at applies at least 2x for them. They’re just mad he lies better.
>>2918667they didn't delete this, though.
https://nitter.miningtcup.me/Interior/status/2102378804882944359does someone have an archive? seems unlegit.
>>2918669I'm sure the intern is not far from posting that one.
>>2918672this is worse that's an actual animal not a furry
>>2918674“Socialism is when gobernment” will haunt me to my elder years
>>2918667Woke 2.0 is crazy.
>>2918673oh, the instagram is full of it, and full of sexual innuendos you don't see on x.
see the difference, two posts on instagram, same post on X but without the sexual innuendo.
the intern is going to be sent to the maga sexual reform camp lmao.
>>2918674I will beat the difference between statism and socialism into libs with a wrench
>>2918688Totally normal for a head of state to beef with a random foreign mayor
>>2918688>I won't ever see socialismGive it a rest with the capitalist realism. It’s scientific socialism or bust at this point.
>but at least I might see the end of these fucking rats.That’s not satisfying enough. The revenge is incomplete.
>>2918690Maybe Zionists don't occupy the government, but they sure talk like they think they do.
>>2918688mamdani humiliated himself fellating the zionists FOR NOTHING
i wish this would serve as a lesson but i know it won't
>>2918677>>2918685>>2918674as others have said this is not socialism and to the extent the west is taking a more statist approach to the economy its because the people in charge have realized if you let the private sector do everything then critical defense supply chains will be outsourced and capitalists will sell the bone marrow of your country so peter thiel or whoever the fuck can make bioshock in real life.
>>2918693fuck the UN. what a worthless institution. shame on all the delegates who didn't walk out on such horseshit.
>>2918341Abdul is just the deng of america
>>2918693Once again, I'm asking you not to annihilate a whole country Mr. President.
>>2918704Looks like only the Iranians walked out. No country has responded to his comments at all from what I'm seeing.
>>2918493>>2918486so basically maga is white boomer shit. got it. In texas theres a place called flower mound whos full of the types of peope pictured there or who would want to see them and they spend the days retired from landlording getting drunk on their boats on the lake while listening to "classic rock" and trying to shun anyone else from moving in other than other classic rock white conservative well off boomers.
>>2918486i thought dogg the bounty hunter was dead
>>2918715He is 73 and alive
I want to live in telluride
>>2918688>Emmmm this wery daungurous vat ze mayour AFFCKK Nu York emmmAhh gotta love the Israeli Harkonnen accent
>>2918701They need to bring back Michael Oren as ambassador if they're going to pull that kind of talk. He's the rowing club Boy Scout and super-Zionist trooper who has been there since the 70s and still watches American football and never so assimilated that he thinks their gay beach pickleball sport is real. There's enough American-born Israelis who can speak in a way that Fox News viewers can at least understand. But if you're going to say an American mayor should be locked up at least try not to look so foreign because there are people who will reject that on the general principle.
>>2918711>In texas theres a place called flower mound lol Flower Mound. Yes you are exactly right.
>>2918710>>2918693Insane that he threatens Iran in the world podium, and no one walks away.
I was going to post in an Israel/Palestine thread, but it looks like the mods must of got rid of it or something so I'll post here.
The Israelis used this Palestinian grandma for a photo-op to show how they care so much they're rescuing old ladies from their own bombing, but then they decided it would be too much work to actually evacuate her, so they just summarily executed her. Reminds me of those Australian soldiers who executed that prisoner on the tarmac because they ran out of space on the plane, but this is like next level cold-blooded.
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/the-most-brutal-thing-investigation-reveals-execution-of-elderly-woman-in-rafah/https://www.ha-makom.co.il/nahal-50-elderly-woman-gaza/The Australian story from a few years ago:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/21/australian-soldiers-killed-afghan-prisoner-six-could-fit-american/
>A United States Marine Corps helicopter crew chief has accused Australian special forces of shooting dead one of seven bound Afghan prisoners because there was only space for six on the US aircraft due to collect them.
>The chief, “Josh”, flew 159 combat missions for the Marine Corps’ Light Attack Helicopter Squadron 469.
>He told Australia's ABC Investigations he was a door gunner providing aerial covering fire for the Australian soldiers of the 2nd Commando Regiment during a night raid in mid-2012, north of his squadron’s base in Afghanistan's Helmand Province.
>The raid was part of a broader joint Australian special forces-US Drug Enforcement Administration campaign targetting drug operations financing the Taliban.
>Josh told the ABC: “We just watched them tackle and hogtie these guys and we knew their hands were tied behind their backs”.
>He said the Australian commandos then called for the US aircraft to pick them and seven prisoners up.
>“The pilot said, 'That's too many people, we can't carry that many passengers.' And you just heard this silence and then we heard a pop. And then they said, 'OK, we have six prisoners'.”>>2918693all nations must acquire nuclear weapons. in a world with a nation like this, to not have a nuke is to not have sovereignty.
Iran must develop nuclear warheads and ICBMs immediately
>Passive revolution is a transformation of the political and institutional structures without strong social processes by ruling classes for their own self-preservation. The phrase was coined by the Marxist politician and philosopher Antonio Gramsci during the interwar period in Italy.
convince me that Trumps attack on liberal capitalism (free markets, free trade, open immigration) isn't a form of passive revolution
>>2918711>In texas theres a place called flower mound whos full of the types of peope pictured there or who would want to see them and they spend the days retired from landlording getting drunk on their boats on the lake while listening to "classic rock" and trying to shun anyone else from moving in other than other classic rock white conservative well off boomers.florida has a similar giga-enclave called The Villages
>>2918702>mamdani humiliated himself fellating the zionists FOR NOTHING
>i wish this would serve as a lesson but i know it won'tThe lesson isn't for Mamdani. The lesson is for you. The purpose of a system is what it does. The system produces people like Mamdani for you to feel like things might change without the working class having to resort to violence.
>>2918704>fuck the UN. what a worthless institution. The purpose of a system is what it does. The purpose of the UN is to make you feel like there is some kind of internationalist neutral ground for countries to work out their inter-dependencies without imperialist coercion… while in fact reproducing that very same imperialist coercion. One of the earliest things the UN ever did was give the USA the green light to commit genocide in North Korea, yes, genocide, as they killed 20% of the North Korean population, and much of the South Korean population as well, in an unprovoked anticommunist war of aggression.
>>2918793this schizo again
>>2918797>>2918795Shit yeah they skim that over in school.
The UN cant exist until global socialism exists.
>>2918796I'm pretty sure this is the first time I've ever spoken to you. Show me the other posts you think are mine or at least tell me why you think anything I said is wrong.
>>2918796POSIWID is a maxim devised by a guy who worked with Salvador Allende on Cybersyn, btw
>>2918813
if what you say is true, you should probably just make a better site. i would go there.
>>2918818
Truke in part but
>The current predicament stems from a widespread tendency among the left, a misplaced faith in the adequacy of platforms like Instagram,Tiktok,Discord for genuine political engagement.
Those platforms have their place, especially for propagandizing to the less advanced sections of the proletariat.
>All communists need to adopt their style of security and networking, and build a massive leftist space online, one that is secure, anonymous, private, and defiant against attacks.
Lenin's "What is to be Done" for the modern age, no?
>>2918797>>2918795The only reason the Korean War was a UN operation was because of the USSR boycott trying to make the PRC the acknowledged representation of China. That is when the imperialist powers just decided to make the invasion even more legitimate by sanctioning it as a UN action
>>2918826
>This is why Anarchists and Marxists need to form tech collectives, where they generalize these things. Not just online, but in real life. This already exists in multiple cities.
true but how do you get around the hardware itself having backdoors built right into it, or the entire online communication infrastructure being owned by the bourgeoisie, along with all the "privacy options" that are just honeypots?
>>2918843
Reminds me of those "read books and do nothing" pics from a while back. Youre right that theres too many anti-praxis "leftists"
>>2918857
> I hate to divide the working-class, but how many people that fly the hammer and sickle have swung a hammer on the job?
Well I personally have and would say, how the fuck does a hammer represent the "proletartiat?" The fucking factory workers who are supposed to be the emblem of the factory worker and the hammer their symbol. What fucking factory worker uses a hammer? WTF? We got to let go of this stupid as symbology and mysticism of the early days of communism/socialism whatever. It's all retarded, I'm sorry. Hammers certainly don't represent factory workers, and nobody uses a fucking sickle. It's fucking retarded dated symbology. Might as well fly the breaking wheel and the crucifix of whatever.
>>2918859>The fucking factory workers who are supposed to be the emblem of the factory worker and the hammer their symbol. I mean the emblem of the proletariat, and I would add, I never worked in a factory, and my waged hammer swinging life was never in a factory at all.
>>2918859hammer and sickle is quite interesting because it comes from the USSR. Marx never saw a hammer sickle symbol his entire life. It came from a specific semi-feudal country that still had a very large peasantry. it only became the symbol for international communism because the comintern was based in moscow
>>2918859I've laid concrete and carpet before but only for a short while before getting an office job because all the guys I saw laying carpet who were over 30 were addicted to drugs and had their bodies totally wrecked and I didn't want to end up like that.
>>2918859Leninism and it’s descendants were always oddly specific
>>2918859>We got to let go of this stupid as symbology and mysticism of the early days of communism/socialism whatever. It's all retarded,Big Facts. We need new symbolism
>>2918990 We need new symbolism for a new phase of the movement in the new millenium. The old world is dying, and we need to let the trash of previous experiments fall away with it while holding onto the moments, ideas, theoretical frameworks, and values, that are worth preserving.
>>2918932 And mostly useless in the modern, developed world of the Imperial Core.
>>2918800>>2918797It was only a "UN" war because the Soviets had a retard moment and boycotted the resolution instead of using their veto.
>>2918780If by workers you mean the lumpenproletariat yes, National Socialism has come to their rescue again
>>2919024 Lowkey we need to limit voting rights to those who pass political, economic, and historical literacy tests because the average American voter west of the Mississippi and south of the Mason-Dixon Line is a troglididic lumpenprole wretch which cannot be trusted with any level of political power.
>>2919027least workerphobic leftist
>>2918794 Every Zionist is a pyshcohtic miserable freak who will whine and scream over everything that threatens the delusional fantasy world they live in.
>>2919030 I'm not workerphobic, I'm conservative-phobic. I was making a broad generalization about how the South and Midwest are mostly conservative hellholes, and all conservatives belong in hell.
>>2919037 I'm an advocate of infinite conservacide across the entire USA.
>>2919042I miss Chagosposter, this thread was a lot more fun with him around to rile up the yanks
>>2919081>I miss the troll who wasted everyone's time and made the same obvious point over and overi guess it was funny if you're really immature
>>2919085Trolls are by definition stunted and pointless people
>>2919086that's not very fair. trolls usually are stunted people who have 1 point to make, and are obsessed with making it. usually the point is something retarded like "ur mad" but sometimes it can be a true point like "america bad". what makes it trolling is the completely lack of conversational give and take. it becomes asymmetrical warfare where you put zero effort in and hope everyone else puts way more effort into replying.
>>2919088The point they usually have to make is generally an out of touch, terminally online point that has little to do with real life. They’re people who’ve let the algorithm think for them and are wasting their lives basically acting like ragebait meat-puppets. Whenever they actually are right, it’s usually for the wrong reasons. Fuck ‘em
>>2919085Oh my god Im so sorry, I forgot that posting on image boards is only for the most serious and mature of people, how silly of me
>>2919095Being a pain in the ass while everyone is trying to have fun is for losers and just makes you an ass
>>2919094^ like this is a great example. This person obviously knows that this is a simplistic opinion, and is just trying to lash out at people they made up based on treatlerite discourse ragebait.
>>2919096But Chagosposter made posting in usapol fun. Usually it's just boring and filled with annoying americans jerking each other off for having voted for Kamala
>>2919098See, this right here.
>boo hoo the thread is boringOkay. Then go somewhere else. Why be a braindead child about it? Arguing over dumb bullshit is boring.
>>2919098chagos is kind of mid but i do miss felix, the thread is sovlless without him
its not "trolling" if you keep up a stupid stunt for over a year you're just a dipshit.
>>2919103stop trying to elevate the concept of trolling to some kind of art form. trolls are losers and they often do keep up the trolling for a very very long time.
>>2919101something something shitbulls
something something miles
something something rutger
>>2919099Well Im usually not much in this thread, though it is one of the more active ones on the site unfortunately
Why act like a redditor complaining about etiquette like this? What do you find so exciting about this thread that Chagos would disrupt?
>>2919101I used to like Felix quite a bit as well, but the gorespam and also him being genuinely retarded made me sour on him tbh. Not that Chagos wasn't also a dumbass, but to me he was at least funny and consistent in his position
>Oil executives thought they'd beaten back a diesel export ban. Then President Donald Trump opened his mouth at the United Nations — and sent the industry into a full-blown panic.
>The comment "blindsided" oil executives, including some Trump donors, who believed they'd already won the fight to keep shipments flowing, and lobbyists reportedly scrambled to call White House officials and congressional Republicans to register their objections. It didn't matter — insiders now say some form of export limit looks "inevitable," the Journal reported.
>"I think we've invested too much in developing customers overseas, and this is the wrong signal," Dan Eberhart, CEO of oil-field services firm Canary and a Trump donor, told the Journal.
>According to the Journal report, "Even if the measure is temporary, U.S. oil companies stand to lose billions of dollars in revenue if they aren’t allowed to ship diesel abroad."TOTAL OIL PORKY DEATH
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-diesel-panic-blindsided-allies/ >>2919109>gorespamwell the point of trolling is to stress other people out, isn't it? why do you draw the line there? the point is to spike other peoples cortisol, release hormones into their bloodstream, make them start sweating and shaking, cause mild amounts of bodily and brain damage, ruin their day, make them want to type a lot or close the tab, make them report you, make normal conversation impossible.
people pretend like this isn't the point of trolling but it is. the point is literally to upset people. for some reason everyone has an arbitrary line they draw
>waaaaaaaah it's ok to to troll kids on roblox but it's not OK to spam gore on an imageboardthe same kind of people who troll when they are kids would happily become torturers or jailers for any regime. torturers and jailers troll people in person. it's just a hobby for sadists.
>>2919106i'm not saying it's an art form, i mean there's trolling as a joke for like a thread or two, which can be kinda funny, then there's just being a nolife twat
>>2919116>why do you draw the line there?Uhhh because I don't like looking at gore and feces? I don't care as much, in most circumstances, about a bunch of letters obviously. It's not that serious. But making me look at a bunch of discomforting images just makes me sour on whoever posted that
I don't think it's at all equivalent
>the same kind of people who troll when they are kids would happily become torturers or jailers for any regime. torturers and jailers troll people in person. it's just a hobby for sadists.That's retarded, there's a big difference between having a lark on the internet or playing up some character on a site to piss off retards and actually torturing people lmao
>>2919125>That's retarded, there's a big difference between having a lark on the internet or playing up some character on a site to piss off retards and actually torturing people lmaoit's only a difference of scale. spiking people's cortisol gives them brain damage. psychic warfare is real. troll people successfully and they will get dumber and physically weaker.
>>2919111The FT was shrieking about how this benefits china and is self-destructive by arguing that refineries would run out of places to store diesel in the us - nevermind that this would simply be resolved by lifting an export ban.
Cue the usual moans about "bashing successful companies" too.
>>2919134Daym maybe I gotta troll people more then
>>2919094Gasoline isn't really a treat, its literal essential to work and get groceries in 99% of this country. If their was no gasoline avalible tomorrow, people would die.
>>2919147>diesel: TREAT>bread: TREAT>water: MEGA TREAT (reserved for data center use)all that humans need to survive is sunlight and prana!!
>>2919155>sunlightTreatler detected. I bet you'd murder 100,000,000 third world babies for a day at the beach.
>>2919147>If their was no gasoline available tomorrow, people would die.amerikkkans deserve to die. every breath the yank devil draws is a treat stolen from the lungs of the real proletariat in the oppressed nations
>>2919166the UN is treatlerite theatrikkks. UN is the antichrist and destroyed DPRK on behalf of the yank satan
>>2919147having essential needs is fascist. you're literally consuming enough treats to get to work tomorrow to make more money for more treats, you fucking treatlerite
>>2919166 (me)
and the worst part is that many USians do view the USA delegate walking out at this as equally bad as the Iranian delegates walking out on threats of genocide. fucking look at this libbed up retarded USian. read his braindead comment. jfc.
flood detected whateversl kjlsekjt we
>>2919171wtf… death to all burgers
>>2919168blow up the sun and every american will die
>>2919166>>2919171It's a bleak situation for sure and they get away with it too
>>2919188ah the latest footage of the war with eurasia. i am so ready for my two minutes hate
>>2919099>>2919096>>2919085I am already tired of this current attempt at a return to Chagosposting and Felixposting. I miss neither of them, nor the dupliposting, nor the ghouls that consider themselves their fans. They are internet decay made manifest.
>>2919191 SO hyped for my daily Victory Jin when I get home!!!1!1!!!
>>2919203Your periodic reminder that "Felix" and "Chagos" are not actual people but part of a set of rotating identities used by Leftychan admins or whatever LLM network they have set up
>>2919196 Unironically people will start thinking this at some point, which is why we have to destroy every single data center with the cleansing fires of APLA artillery, masallah.
>>2919111>>2919138I see this as evidence of further radicalization of the Trump admin, people should note we've probably yet to see the worst overreach and violence they will do and this sort of shows it. They are having to consider significant market intervention just to get through the midterms, even knowing fully from their own people that a worse price crisis will likely be caused by it later in the year. They are to the point of knowingly inflicting these kinds of conditions just to delude and mislead people long enough to limp through a month of low prices to the election. They seem to see the election as the last chance to see any check on their political control and are treating it as an existential threat.
This sort of behavior when their backs are against the wall shows we may be in for quite a dangerous ride for the next two years or more, the level of escalation they are willing to consider to maintain their grip on power is still rising and only really constrained by what they think they can't get away with.
>>2919209The orange contradictions enthusiast is still at it
bonds are fucked
>>2919229>US Senator named "Tuberville">shows emoji of fat guyWhat is this Kojima writing?
>>2919213How will they escalate? Any time they try to do anything they chicken out the moment they recieve pushback
>>2919235the export ban is already an escalation. as things keep getting more frayed due to the costs of their their actions the answer to the question "what can we do to keep power" keeps getting more drastic, but they will keep doing whatever it takes to keep power.
>>2919213If oil porky is so powerful, explain to me why trump is de-prioritizing their interests
>>2919239Because they want to trade with those goddamn chinese commies!
>>2919239the trump admin is telling oil porky that they must be subordinated for the sake of the greater political project, and oil porky will be forced to put up with it. If the 3rd reich faced a price related legitimacy crisis and only needed to improve their poll numbers for a month to keep political control and have it cemented, they'd just do price controls and let the oil companies (not that germany really had much to speak of famously) cry all they want so long as they kept control. I am drawing parallels showing that the increased demands of what it takes to hold on to power are forcing the Trump admin to go down a similar road of escalating uses of power and force that cause more problems and enable more drastic use of power to hold on in a feedback loop.
>>2919238Are we talking about just Republicans or the US government as a whole? Because when Dems take power and show they are also unable to stop the incoming economic crisis, people will lose faith even more in the whole system.
>>2919250Nobody mocked him enough for looking this terrible. When Biden had that really shitty photo of himself, everyone was like "lol, he's got dementia, time to go".
>>2919272>he's got dementia, time to goI don't know where you're looking but I see just about everyone saying that about Trump other than his own supporters.
>>2919272Democrats ignore Biden's age
Republicans ignore Trump's age
nobody actually applies their standards universally
politics is a team sport
State rights NOW
>>2919307Libs think ice wouldn't operate the same but more discreetly under Kamala
>>2919307>Libs would rather live in a military dictatorship ran by the most imperialist military on Earth than celebrate the assassination of orange man LOLThey at least have the three brain cells necessary to understand Trump being martyred would spectacularly backfire against the opposition.
>>2919317getting couped also counts as martyrdom for Qtards. "the deep state stopped orange man, we were right all along"
>>2919307Maybe they're big brained and know how incompetent and disloyal our military is and that it would fall apart in less than a year.
>>2919318>>2919317getting bog-standard voted out of office counted as a coup because they, and i quote, "just can't see how that could have happened without cheating"
>>2919307Dems are radical extremists smh
>>2919318You're overlooking how much reactoids operate on aesthetics. A violent death makes a fancy narrative. Eating slop in a prison cell much less so.
>>2919307>>2919317I think the real numbers are a lot higher but there's a chilling effect around that, they're afraid of potentially triggering the Secret Service to come knocking if they answer affirmatively.
At the bare minimum, Trump voters can't be allowed to vote anymore. The real question is, do we gulag them as well or no?
>>2919331Most trump voters are good for fertilizer.
>>2919330zamn they cooked with dat 1
>>2919315it was juche or sumting
I am so happy we are now getting to the point where the republicans could be wiped out thanks to their own incompetence, and we’ll only have one party to deal with left. And they’ll be under a whole bunch of pressure to deliver and keep things together as well, with no one else to play bad cop.
>>2919354>>2919351We get it
>>2919354you lil naive retard
>>2919356>>2919357Save the whining. The republicans are in a pincher at the moment, no matter how you look at. Even if they were able to gather the competence to make a escalating stand against the electoral process, they certainly won’t have the competence or an non-decimated support base to make a lasting stand.
>>2919364it might even be possible that the organization called republicans disappears but you'd be a fool to believe the political tendency and the power behind it will disappear. their ideals will instead come to be represented within the democratic party. they already kind of are.
>>2919366>>2919364is this your first election cycle? a bad midterm never means the party could be wiped out. You're just a retarded liberal
>>2919366>you'd be a fool to believe the political tendency and the power behind it will disappearNot completely. Their failure will scar and dwindle them down. But you are right that most of the pieces will be picked up by the Democrats instead. MAGA and the Republican party will be dead, but their remains will be consolidated into the democratic party.
>they already kind of are.not kind of, are. Them folding into a juicy target like this is detrimental to their operations and their existence. They require false opposition to maintain the illusion.
>>2919367So heated and angry, I wonder why? Regardless, this is no mere “bad midterm”, and I have already prepared for the other outcome
>>2919373>So heated and angry, I wonder why? Regardless, this is no mere “bad midterm”, and I have already prepared for the other outcome<now THIS time is the most important election ever.utterly retarded
>>2919376<now THIS time is the most important election everThe election isn’t that important, it’s the pressure and outcome that is actually important. I’m not telling you to vote for anyone if that is what you need to hear. It could honestly go either way, and the republicans would still be on the out.
>>2919366 The political force behind them, the Specter of Palingenetic Ultranationalism, will always shape a new vessel for itself until the material conditions and collective social atmosphere that sustain it are annihilated, which is necessary but will take a LOT of effort on our parts.
>>2919381Good thing a LOT has already been done and is being done. Soon, it will all be cornered.
The Republican Party probably won't die after this, but the MAGA movement is absolutely done for.
>>2919384Too much pressure for democrats to let that happen. Their own base has gone beyond despising them and sees them as threats. Any open weakness with the label of “bipartisanship” slapped on won’t be tolerated.
>>2919382 Not all, but there will be a massive drawing back of the hand now that everyone has touched the stove. Climate change will also help by pushing everything to a breaking point while the rightoids are in the middle of their project to create a Global Little St. James, which will lead people to swing in the opposite direction (towards us), so long as we seize the moment.
>>2919385 The Trump admin raping the world while the democrats argue over whether or not they should write them a strongly worded letter or hand them a bottle of lube has actually been the best thing to happen to the left (as a political project, not in a moral sense, because it's atrocious). We've been openly proven correct about everything in a way that most people can no longer ignore, especially since gas prices are the highest in history, and the average American voter only understands political crises when you beat their kneecaps in with a $500 1gal can of gasoline.
It's more promising knowing that the economy is headed to collapse and no amount of damage control is going to stop it unless somehow the US goes in full reverse and puts forward massive reforms against the highest class which will never ever happen. Thinking anything will come from flip flopping dem and republican control is a waste of time.
>>2919404Xi looks so sick of his shit.
>>2919330The crazy part, is this chapter of the Lolbert party was disaffiliated which caused a massive soying out from radical lolberts.
https://twitterviewer.net/LPNational/status/2059355721909825958 >>2919388bourgeois society has failed to deliver openly and notoriously on its supposed goals. A 'one-party' American state is better to deal with than two parties (we know it's already one class-character, it's just easier with less pressure valves)
>>2919407>radicalIt's so fucking funny the supposed radicals are the ones who want to subordinate the party to a more mainstream party. It's like if the left of the dsa were fighting the moderates to start voting blue
>>2919419It is funny, but for a very sad reason. They are radically anti-communist so for them, anti-communism must be pursued at all costs including allying with the mainstream right-wing party. Zionism is a preferable alternative to communism according to them. As someone from a family like that, I can assure you most lolberts that hate communism are poorfags that don't have any money to pay for anything and a lot of them live off the government. The rich lolberts are cynics who are trying to be the new manor lords.
>>2919404Xi's wife is also noisemogging him lol
>>2919417Glad to see the moderation team has reached the political office
>>2919388>The Trump admin raping the world while the democrats argue over whether or not they should write them a strongly worded letter or hand them a bottle of lube has actually been the best thing to happen to the left (as a political project, not in a moral sense, because it's atrocious). We've been openly proven correct about everything in a way that most people can no longer ignore, especially since gas prices are the highest in history, true
>and the average American voter only understands political crises when you beat their kneecaps in with a $500 1gal can of gasoline.still might not be enough. I was listening to this wholesome story from the 80s where a dozens of US navymen got liquified inside a turret during peacetime exercises because their commander was a safety-regulation hating dickswinger who wanted to break all the rules. And it didn't even matter. the seamen did not mutiny. they just took the opportunity to start looting each others' lockers during all the chaos. that's America. That's America. When shit gets bad here people start stabbing each other in the back. Total crab bucket mentality. Every man for himself.
>>2919417>its 2026 and our politicans speak fluent polthat's mild. I figured these people would be dropping racial slurs nonstop
>>2919417>fluent pol>look inside>words used every other sentence when you went to high schoolI'm getting too old for this shit.
>>2919432They also blamed gays for that at the time. If you're talking about the Iowa battleship turret explosion.
>>29193842028 the Republicans will end up in third place while Democrats win and an independent populist candidate forms a new party out of their movement. It will be similar to 1856
>>2919417Ive been calling shit retarded before your dad jazzed in the retarded girl at school.
Can we skip the retarded online bickering and already get to the part where we organize in underground cells? I'm not even saying we need to get to the violence and sabotage operations yet, even theory groups like the ones Lenin was first involved in the 1890s are fine.
I'm getting impatient, gentlemen. We must soon ask ourselves, "is marxism just a stupid set of theories I learned on the internet that I make into a quirky personality trait, essentially having it function as a means of expressing tribalistic urges, (the way sports functions for others), or is this a living movement which shall capture my whole, earnest dedication?" Are your political views just points of debate that you mindlessly defend out of self-righteousness, or a living, breathing reality which you are hellbent on bringing about. How can we, those who boast amongst ourselves about being more enlightened (than, say, liberals or conservatives) of both the horrors of the world and the proper means to go about fixing them, how can we afford to sit on our asses? We give ourselves such a big role in advancing the course of history and society, yet we end up doing less than liberals. Liberals can 'do liberalism' quite easily, actually. Just by going to the ballot. However, you don't 'do Marxism' by going to the ballots OR by jerking off and spending all your time on leftypol. If you wish to do anything for these beliefs, the time has always been yesterday. For legal reasons (and the glowies watching), I can't officially encourage anything illegal, but you guys would know what is necessary.
Before the vanguard launches a public movement to coalesce support from the masses, the vanguard must exist as a centralized, disciplined group who knows what it is doing. That is why it must be us. There are only maybe 200,000 actual Marxist ideologues/ revolution-supporting communists in America. If we took the precaution of only allowing the most radical, disciplined, and knowledgeable from amongst us, then that would probably drop the number down to 10,000. And the first couple of cells will only boast a grand total of a few hundreds across the entire country. But the problem lies not in the numbers, but in the types of people who make up these parties. We need to make sure the first steps taken in creating the the vanguard are done by those who can properly understand the essence of what the vanguard should be, so that we can properly steer this movement the way Lenin would have wanted us to. So NO RadLibs, NO socdems, NO influencers, NO marxists who only do it to larp the aesthetics, and NO marxist who clearly lacks the ability to successfully function in an environment of such perilous nature.
And the time must be now, where we organize in secret to agree on political doctrine and organizational structure, before we get to running ops, that is. Meet, get to know each other, discuss theory, but don't let it become just another online page where all you do is shout at each other. Learn who to trust, and who not to, and master all areas of basic OPSEC to allow you to maintain internal secrecy (which is non-negotiable for our existence as a political force in this country). Develop a unified theory, code of conduct, and security measures. Build the ideological and operational foundation of the movement which must eventually bring empire down to its knees.
>>2919451Why wouldn't Republicans get absorbed into the Democrats and just rename themselves moderate Democrats if the Republican party is set t dissolve? Massie is probably going to do it for instance.
>>2919460Couldn't even beat Iran, lmao
honkoid status?
>>2919474I've weaponized my keyboard, comrade.
>>2919460>The federal government is running anti-communist propaganda on TV now I guess.always has been. do i gotta say it? POSIWID POSIWID POSIWID POSIWID POSIWID POSIWID
>>2919452>your dad jazzed in the retarded girlhe was coltraning it?
>>2919463all outta honks to give
half the honkoid i once was
>>2919459Because the Republicans are going out similar to the Whigs. 2028 is the last election with them with remnants of MAGA being unpopular but winning at least one fifth of the votes.
>>2919486Where did they find a Republican with the last name Marx?
>>2919489
So what's one of the best memes your bot farm has produced?
>>2919449That podcast is great but the problem is the comments are a bunch of horrible shitlibs
Judge blocked Trump's White House ban on MS Now, CNN and Politico.
>>2919404Peng Liyuan didn't even flinch lol.
>>2919509The very people who blindly follow and celebrate this mayor and his party will turn around and call the ACP 'MAGA communists.' The ACP was in Iran, standing with the people of Iran, shouting 'Death to America' while the DSA was sitting down with with multiple fascists including the NYPD ZIONIST, the figurehead of MAGA, all as children were being butchered. Learn to attack praxis instead of worrying about who said what and in what tone.
>>2919509AOCIA will start the Millennial Reich
>>2919460>the will cain showThis was aired on fox news. I don't they need to be propagandized any further to start killing people over a disappointing election result, but here we are
>>2919509 The reason that we never get anything done in this country is because of whining and purity testing like this. We need to be pragmatic and put our best foot forwards. We cannot just expect to walk into workplaces and start telling the proletariat to revolt without first establishing them as a legitimate political force in their eyes. And if anyone is the cuck here, it's Trump. This is showing Mumdani's political power by demonstrating that he can literally stand next to the president and still be the one speaking and being the commanding presence in the room.
>>2919511 The ACP are MAGA Communists though, and they're the most opportunistic of the few innefective American communist microgroups. Maybe you're not too concerned with that though, seeing as people who support queerphobic reactionaries seem to be spineless grifters themselves most of the time.
>>2919493 As if that means anything when this party ignores the law at every possible opportunity and brags about it.
>>2919432 We live in the worst society, spirtitually speaking. There is no other currently existing country with a culture so deeply permeated with nihilism, selfishness, hatred, and apathy.
>>2919588idk man seems like the DSA aligned politicians are so eager to be in "fat cat" SPD mode like it's the be all end all of their efforts. they can't even wait until they actually get real political power, they get a house seat or a mayoral term and it's fat cat time immediately
>>2919604 That's inevitable to some extent, but Mumdani provides some hope here, as he geniunely is improving New York with socialist-leaning reforms. We have to win people over and convince them that we're normal in order to get out foot in the door, and if that results in even our own politicians doing *politician things* then that is just something that we'll have to roll with. We have no other option.
>>2919613I don't think this is as much of a W as DSA people like to say. Mamdani's programs are extremely minor and generally in line with neoliberalism. The idea of just dropping a guy on an executive position without any dual power structure or institutional backing and then expecting him to govern like a socialist is silly.
Why the fuck does Trump still have Hispanic votes?
>>2919634Whiteness is a plague
>>2919509Zohran for emperor
>>2919634They'll always love trump for raping venezuela
>>2919639Meanwhile delcy has shills here still saying to trust the plan and attacking you if you criticize her. Just as gullible
>>2919642nah only latams have a problem with delcy, to me as a yank she's fine
>ACP personally reaches out to one of my comrades about a sit-down
gotta respect it but that message isn't getting replied to
>>2919649As I said. Here is one
>>2919650Not defending the ACP, but if you're willing to give the DSA or anarchist orgs publicity, then you're a bit of a hypocrite
>>2919654ACP can join MAGA in the ideological grave
>>2919656Thank you for the rational, thoughtful response. I totally understand your perspective now
>>2919654You mean the guy who willingly groups slop from Neo-Nazi orgs with Lenin and Mao prefers his fellow Nazis to actual Marxist Leninists? Say it ain’t so
Revolutionary class status?
>>2919659The DSA and anarchists also come with nazi slop
>>2919662That’s who I was referring to yes
>>2919657>>2919658Because they are worthless tools that serve no purpose.
>>2919658
You're asking questions that have been answered too many times
>>2919664And how does that separate them from DSA or anarchists?
>>2919666
Didn’t “steal” anything, National Socialism is the natural conclusion of leftism
>>2919663Ah I see. I was confused because that applies to (throw dart at any American leftist org)
>>2919673
Read The Infantile Sickness of Leftism in Communism and realize it’s talking about you
>>2919667The DSA still has bit of usage before their line gets cut, the anarchists themselves have no traction whatsoever.
>>2919670>They are lefties' best chanceThey are a bad joke at best, and a nuisance at worst. They aren’t shit.
>getting all the conservative chuds to like leftism.At this point, they’re already doing a good job at suppressing and making themselves a negligible threat. All ACP would be doing here is attempting to re-light the dying sparks of anti-intellectual reaction, which is very much not needed.
>>2919679
>I mean that they are a viable alternative
They. Ain’t. Shit.
>What exactly do you not like about them?
Everything.
>>>/leftypol/2919661>taking think tank slop at face valueare you retarded?
atlas intel is a cia op btw
>>2919677>The DSA still has bit of usage of what kind? for what and for who? last time I checked they were celebrating because democrat small capitalists that openly reject socialism won elections and calling people racists and mossad for not thinking thats epic
>2919682
a cia op would obviously want to portray americans as the biggest supporters retard but the chart shows the opposite
>>2919684>of what kind?The destabilizing kind. The door opening kind. The tension they cause in the democratic party will be utilized for communist ascension. And should they be successful enough, they will eventually succumb to pressure.
>for what and for whoCommunists. Actual communists.
>I checked they were celebrating because democrat small capitalists that openly reject socialism won electionBroad tent, and still serviceable regardless.
>>2919686>I actually think their social conservatism is pretty okay.Oh I know. You’re a frog poster. Of course you do. Of course you would utilize stupid terms like “social conservatism” to serve as cushion for the fact that you are still a libshit.
>Most of Infrared's transphobia boils down toThem being an attention whore libshit. I care not for e-celeb nonsense. Scram.
>>2919691
>>2919691
The fuck is my problem? The FUCK is my problem? You come in here with frog images, saying terms like “socially conservative”, and then spouting on about e-celeb garbage and how you aren’t a chud but actually are chud, and you expect me to happy about that? I ain’t happy shitlib.
>>2919689There is no avenue for a workers' movement in a bourgeois party
>>2919689>The destabilizing kindI think they do the opposite, in fact I would argue thats its the neolibs in the GOP-DNC who are a destabilizing force and the DSA is there to try to fix their mess
>>2919698Correct
>>2919699>I think they do the oppositeThey will attempt to do the opposite and resurrect the spirit of FDR. They will fail, and we will feast upon their failure.
>I would argue thats its the neolibs in the GOP-DNC who are a destabilizing forceYou are correct. However, the DSA is also just in the right position to serve as a catalyst for their destabilization.
>>>/leftypol/2919688let see
>geopolitical futureswhich apparently is just this guy
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Friedmanthe guy hasn't made a single correct prediction in his entire life, but what's curious is that the wikipedia page doesn't include include anything from before 1991. how strange
<https://www.jewage.org/wiki/en/Article:George_Friedman_-_Biography>he also regularly briefed senior commanders in the armed services as well as the Office of Net Assessments, SHAPE Technical Center, the U.S. Army War College, National Defense University and the RAND Corporation, on security and national defense matters.a reliable source
honest question, why are you posting this garbage?
i was hoping that xi would turn up in dc wearing a mao suit
>>2919711I’m more surprised Trump didn’t wear one
>>2919511>>2919591it's funny how ACP and Democrats come to the same conclusion "workers hate queers so instead of treating workers better we have to treat queers worse to make workers like us"
>>2919729 Literally. Just more proof of the impossibility of socialism being combined with reactionary beliefs about minorities.
>>2919739sadly democrats are worse because they also come to the conclusion "workers hate third worlders so we have to bomb and deport third worlders to make workers like us"
>>2919591It's a term they invented and threw around for a bit. What makes the "maga" communists? Mamdani is more chill with trump, who seemingly is in love with him, than the ACP guys, who are in Yemen getting cheered on by Ansar Allah
If all you really care about is who says the nicest thing about gay people, just sat that. But that doesn't mean anything
>>2919650I keep thinking you'd be a perfect fit for the ACP Erik, they are very compatible with your whole vibe. Much moreso than the DSA lol. You remind me of Treezy
>>2919604that doesn't make sense, the "foot in the door" approach is a plan to try to accomplish one political project somehow using a constituency built up and voting for a DIFFERENT PLATFORM. It's just a rationalization of being a fat cat forever and going nowhere, we always will have midterms and re-election to worry about so the time to use the constituency you actually have as support for doing something fundamentally different never arrives, you can't just trick people into liking socialism by doing something else entirely and calling it socialism. You need a political movement that actually is in line with what you are allegedly actually trying to accomplish if that's anything but being a middle class PMC demsucc fat cat!!!
due process? more like doo doo process.
as in feces
>>2919634Hispanics are conservative and religious more than they are conscious of their own class position, especially the ones who "escaped" communism/socialism. They all assume the ICE stuff isn't going to affect them personally as long as they have a maga bumper sticker
>>2919617>Mamdani's programs are extremely minor and generally in line with neoliberalism. I can agree they are minor but to say its in line with neoliberalism is insane. He's been reversing austerity and expanding government programs. The fact of the matter is he doesn't have to govern like a socialist. He's going to be called a radical islamic communist no matter what. The fact he's just competent and likable means people are associating socialism and communism with competence and being likable, it's opening the door for more radical politics. The question is if more radical members of the DSA or other parties going to seize on this opportunity or will they sit on the sidelines and bitch?
>>2919789 God I fucking hate CNN sometimes. Unironically we just need to end centralized news. There was a time for it, but like the centralized internet, it has outgrown its usefulness and become corrupt and incompetent. News was always dishonest, but at least the people involved in its creation were intelligent and competent.
>>2919796 Totally agree, I don't think anon knows what neoliberalism is at all. Mumdani is getting a foot in the door for socialism and making rapid progress towards dismantling a permentant 150+ year old anti-socialist scare campaign from the State and capital. Mumdani is our ticket to creating a relevant and powerful socialist political force, even though he won't swoop in and end capitalism in the here and now. Mumdani is a gateway drug for the American proletariat to wake up and gain faith in the promise of more and better to come. We NEED to take the opportunity and unite instead of continuing to sit on the sidelines and bitch, and thankfully it looks like DSA is beginning to do that (I say as a member myself).
Found some interesting wording in an article
Trump’s US no longer a reliable ally, warns Belgium in leaked document>Dynamics in Washington ‘are likely to compromise several vital interests’ of Belgium and the EU, says strategy document from foreign ministryhttps://archive.is/20260924041333/https://www.ft.com/content/bec22e6b-1267-4d9f-a192-60763a0797c3<Belgium’s foreign ministry has warned internally that the US under Donald Trump is no longer a reliable ally and urged officials to cultivate ties with his opponents to protect the country’s interests, according to a document seen by the FT.<As alarm mounted in Europe about Trump’s apparent hostility to traditional allies in the region, the ministry set out a strategy to “calibrate” engagement with Washington to protect Belgian interests while avoiding being seen as “hostile”, the internal document shows.<“It is now clear that the American partner is no longer the ally it has been in the past,” says the strategy document, produced by the ministry’s Americas and Caribbean unit in late 2025.<It calls for a “thorough re-evaluation of the relation between the European Union and Belgium on the one hand, and the US on the other hand,” adding that “the dynamics currently at play in the United States… are likely to compromise several vital interests of Belgium and the European Union”.<During his second term, Trump has instigated a trade war with the EU, threatened to invade part of the bloc’s territory and supported far-right parties while warning of Europe’s “civilisational erasure”, causing a widening transatlantic rift.<Many European leaders have emphasised the continued importance of their alliance with Washington, given their dependence on the US for defence and trade, but behind closed doors officials are grappling with the tensions.<The Belgian document says that “an engagement with the current US administration remains indispensable”, dialogue with the levels below the federal government should be “significantly reinforced”, including with both Republican and Democratic states and mayors of large cities.It also recommends keeping up discussions with the Democratic opposition, engaging with Congress and “identifying the new generations of bipartisan elites that could play a role in tomorrow’s America”.End of the interesting bits
>>2919800>>2919796Electoralist nonsense.
>>2919800>>2919796You guys are actually retarded if you think these soc dems are doing anything to advance socialism
>Mumdani is our ticket to creating a relevant and powerful socialist political forceChrist
>>2919807You can participate in elections if you have an independent worker's party, not when you're just a vessel for imperialist mass murder parties
>>2919486the fuel crisis must be getting REALLY bad
>>2919829Remember when people were bitching about Bayonetta's legs
DSA is about to have more registered members than Die Linke xDDD
>>2919829It's definitely a banger though, Fantano had no right to put this song in the C tier
>>2919591>>2919739>queerphobicACP is disproportionately LGBTQ compared to the rest of the US population.
>>2919841socialism can only work with the backing of the intellectual elite. Most anti-minority chuds aren't intellectuals. Judgement based on prejudice is a sign of a weak brain.
>>2919841 The "LGB without the T" movement is also disproportionately queer compared to the rest of the US population. "Did you know that 100% of homophobic gay people are gay?! :0"
>>2919850 Based and true.
>>2919833 Oh it's getting apocalyptic out there right now.
>>2919856Here on the left we do not concern ourselves with shitty culture wars and reactionism.
>>2919859The price of onions went up almost 25% since the beginning of the month, quite noticeable as they're a staple in cooking damn near everything
>>2919729>it's funny how ACP and Democrats come to the same conclusion "workers hate queers so instead of treating workers better we have to treat queers worse to make workers like us"What that also tells you is that the Democrats have no problem transmorging into a culturally moderate form, or talking about Jesus, if it helps them win elections. Which these guys' whole theory depends on them not doing. Pic related.
>>2919679>I mean that they are a viable alternative to all the woke commies and help transhumanist-hating chuds get into communism. I'm not sure this has been demonstrated in practice. Maybe it will.
But I think the theoretical mistake (maybe not yours, but theirs) is assuming the trans-hating chuds have a kind of politics that can just transform into communism if you give them some "dark" edgelord version of it with the social politics of a KRPF boomer in Russia. Like it assumes that the people we're talking about are already radical but being diverted in some kind of way while also being pushed out by the woke commies.
There are a couple of things which, if true, might derail this theory. The first is that the trans-hating chuds might not actually like or want communism at all. At least on any scale which matters. Number two is that the ACP will probably get lumped in with the rest of the woke commie freaks anyways. Number three is that a diasporoid like Haz has emphasizes his Muslim ("alien") appearance even more since starting this thing while giving indiosyncratic speeches based on obscure European reactionary philosophers. A normal Muslim guy from Michigan who is running for office, Abdul El-Sayed, throws a football around and talks about gas prices because there are Trump voters who drive F-350s and are amenable to that becuase it's the first time in their lives they've ever personally felt affected by anything the government does ever. Now someone can say "but he isn't a communist" but that's not relevant to my argument.
There's just no evidence so far that people who voted for Trump are interested at communism at scale compared to either voting for more culturally moderate-coded Democrats (which also includes Mamdani), or Marco Rubio if he runs for president because he seems like a no-bullshit kind of guy to them. Another aspect are tribal loyalties so the most die-hard Trump loyalists will stick by him no matter what he does including bombing Iran even while his coalition erodes. They come across as the most "extreme" and are the ones these guys think they need to pander to the most, because by being "extreme" they are potentially recruitable, they assume, rather than these people just being the nastiest and dumbest people in America by a long shot.
But the deeper problem is that American communism just isn't a coherent ideology let alone a political movement. Even when it was dominated by the CPUSA in the 1930s, there were disagreements but there was a general consensus about what kind of social structure people wanted. But now there's just so much schizo stuff. More like a politically-coded subculture (one of many) to choose from. More like a metal band or those hardcore shows where people spin around and punch each other in the face. Or various threads in a years-long interpersonal Twitter feud. And Haz also says more or less exactly that! His theory is that the 21st century "partisan" just posts a lot.
>>2919886one thing is the bark, another thing is the walk.
>>2919887Ah so the same logic as the "Arkhand Bharat" weirdos. If a Hindu ever lived there at any point, it belongs to Bharat and to claim otherwise is literally anti-Hindu discrimination. Jai Hind!
>>2919886Critikkkal support for neoliberal Sharia with Bitcoin characteristics?
>>2919887btw this is the only time he doesn't call him Jolani, since Jolanis family came from the golan heights
>>2919886Didn't Jolani give the Golan Heights away to "Israel"?
>>2919892LMAO Giuliani Jolani
>>2919894trump legitimized it
>>2919887>Jew quoting the Bible to justify ethnic cleansing of Muslims Abrahamism was a mistake.
>>2919900"muh Judeo-Christian value"
- Prager U or whatever shit
>>2919885>superceding even transphobiaVery much preferred, but still hilariously mind boggling. What exactly did he even do to garner such amounts of attention?
>>2919903Le Jawline kulak opened his mouth and talked to succdem politicians.
>>2919902judeo-hitler values
>>2919894Jolani needs to stoke nationalism to foster Syria’s cohesion, especially after he let Israel destroy all of Syria’s military equipment, leaving the Syrian military basically as a paramilitary force rather than a functional army; plus his loyalist forces are factional and hostile to Alawites, Kurds, Druze, and Christians. Here and there he needs to throw out the occasional “retaking al-Jawlan (the Golan Heights),” even though Zionists have no plans whatsoever to leave, given the fact that since 1967, Israel has built civilian housing infrastructure there, with israelis living in it, so obviously he has no plans to retake al-Jawlan at all. 🤣🤣🤣
>>2919903influencers are modern demagogues, we'll have a streamer president in 10 years or less
>>2919679>I mean that they are a viable alternative to all the woke commies and help transhumanist-hating chuds get into communism. Not really, those chuds wouldn't even want to be communist in the first place like what
>>2919882 says
>But I think the theoretical mistake (maybe not yours, but theirs) is assuming the trans-hating chuds have a kind of politics that can just transform into communism if you give them some "dark" edgelord version of it with the social politics of a KRPF boomer in Russia. Like it assumes that the people we're talking about are already radical but being diverted in some kind of way while also being pushed out by the woke commies.
>There are a couple of things which, if true, might derail this theory. The first is that the trans-hating chuds might not actually like or want communism at all. At least on any scale which matters. Number two is that the ACP will probably get lumped in with the rest of the woke commie freaks anyways. Number three is that a diasporoid like Haz has emphasizes his Muslim ("alien") appearance even more since starting this thing while giving indiosyncratic speeches based on obscure European reactionary philosophers. A normal Muslim guy from Michigan who is running for office, Abdul El-Sayed, throws a football around and talks about gas prices because there are Trump voters who drive F-350s and are amenable to that becuase it's the first time in their lives they've ever personally felt affected by anything the government does ever. Now someone can say "but he isn't a communist" but that's not relevant to my argument.>>2919896all bark, no bite.
>>2919658
There are still users going back half a decade still salty over the fallout with Haz
>>2919658
They're feds and libs
>>2919912>There are still users going back half a decade still salty over the fallout with Haz.For good reason. Haz is a right-wing retard pretending to be a communist. He is a rich failson doing a grift.
>>2919658
too many leftcoms
>>2919658
ACP is just a handful of clowns. Really basically just Hinkle that has any kind of attention out of the terminally-onlineosphere, but not really for a long time. Wow he did some photoshoots with Houthis or something. Good for him. The rest of it is just like some incel wannabe commune LARP-group. I wish people here would stop trying to pretend like they are actually a thing here. Probably Caleb Maupin's cult City Builder Ministries or whatever he's up to now is a more legit org than the ACP LARP-fest.
>>2919917How tf is this guy still in power? Wouldn't the French be tired of this guy and impeach him?
>>2919914>For good reason. Haz is a right-wing retard pretending to be a communist. He is a rich failson doing a grift.From all that I was forced to learn about this clown Haz from this website, I haven't seen any signs that he is rich. That's the stupidest line of attack because the reasons he is just a trash grifter aren't affected by whether he grew up rich or poor or whatever his financial situation is currently.
>>2919919"America deserved 9/11"
>>2919926they're just saying words because they hate him. the lefty equivalent of saying he is dei woke soy
>>2919927We Mexicans always playing le impartial centrist, when it's actually just cuckery and subjugation to AmeriKKKa.
>>2919925Nah. Fuck liberalism. Fuck the glowing intelligentsia of Burgerstan.
>>2919932To be fair, you would be overthrown by the Burgers if you went against them.
>>2919914>Haz is a right-wing retard pretending to be a communistHow is anything that he says right wing exactly?
Hassan Derangement Syndrome is more powerful than Trans Derangement Syndrome. When the head of state is ranting more about Hassan than Transgender people, you know you are too far down in the deep end.
>>2919933The differences between, Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Obama, Clinton, Biden, or Trump or any of the chuds the acp and haz try to appeal to are merely in the aesthetics goals. The economic goals are the same.
That's why they are hyperfocused on cultural wars and identity politics.
You can put a nazi like boneface or a turbolib like Racehl Madow, Colbert or Sisson, in power and the economic policies will be the same, while they keep arguing about fluroine turning them frogs fucking gay, CBT castrsting kids, trans bathrooms o algo.
>>2919658
>Why do you guys hate ACP so much?
they tail the GOP instead of the DNC like the other burger socdem orgs do, thats the main reason people here hate them
>>2919950 The height of Transgender Derangement Syndrome was worse than the current height of Hassan Derangement Syndrome, but let's be real, everyone including the illiterate rightiod lumpenpeasants in Illonois are sick of talking about trans people whom most of them have never even met. At least Hassan Piker is an active force in American politics and is a dead horse yet to be beaten into a atomized dust.
>>2919956Do you think hasan is somehow the king of /usapol/ because he tails the democrat party?
b8, b8 used to be credible.
>>2919966You dumb bitch I don't like Haz at all. You keep spamming the same images which have nothing to do with the point I made.
>>2919968Because I and many other posters are trying to get through your thick head the reasons why we hate Haz.
>>2919970You're mixing the guy up with someone else
>>2919961>Do you think hasan is somehow the king of /usapol/after I got called mossad here multiple times for not liking the blackwater neo-nazi he was shilling for? yeah I think he has a lot of influence here
>>2919975But he's no king either. As much as neither it is haz or the acp, despite they have their own cohort of followers spamming the acp leaders, too.
>>2919953>The differences between, Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Obama, Clinton, Biden, or Trump or any of the chuds the acp and haz try to appeal to are merely in the aesthetics goals. The economic goals are the same. You can put a nazi like boneface or a turbolib like Racehl Madow, Colbert or Sisson, in power and the economic policies will be the same, while they keep arguing about fluroine turning them frogs fucking gay, CBT castrsting kids, trans bathrooms o algo.Or they reflect a common economic structure. During the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s there was maybe something like "industrial politics" where politics focused a lot more on national economic production along with wage battles and redistribution. Also there could be a kind of "national unity" politics that FDR represented which the CPUSA adapted to during the war. But when you shift the economy to one in which consumption is very important, you also get battles over different lifestyles and how people live, because a consumer economy creates a highly differentiated set of wants and needs among the population. Like instead of building housing (as opposed to no housing) or the conditions of the housing being the main issue, it's about what kind of housing and what are the aesthetics of the buildings (which trad people obsess about), like are they gay pomo buildings that make me sad or are they based medieval buildings with gargoyles on them that will fit the lifestyle I want to live.
Remember when Bud Light got transed? But the fact is that this blew up on the right also says something about contemporary right-wing politics. It matters a lot more what kind of food you eat, how you dress, sexual relationships, what media you consume.
Trying to build a political movement around streamers doesn't escape it, because when people watch streamers they are consuming some kind of aesthetic style in a commodity form. People think they need to build an audience online first and then try to turn it into a political party, but the way they build the audience is by differentiating themselves in the market.
The democrats (both centrist and leftist factions) are a controlled opposition to the Republicans. This includes everyone from the corporate neoliberal “third way”/“new democrats” like Clinton/Obama/Biden to the DSA “democratic socialists” like Bernie/AOC/Mamdani, with Mamdani suspiciously becoming Trumps best friend despite republicans calling him a “islamic Marxist terrorist”, lol (Mamdani is a controlled opposition psyop/honeypot bogeyman scarecrow who works for the republicans in order to both motivate republicans to vote and lure the leftists into a trap). The 2025 NYC mayor election was thrown by the democrat establishment to Mamdani just like the 2016 and 2024 presidential elections were explicitly thrown by the democrat establishment to Trump, Trump threw the 2020 presidential election to Biden, and Bernie threw both the 2016 and 2020 primaries to Hillary/Biden, etc. lmao. All American “elections” are completely stage-managed kabuki theatre put on by the haute-bourgeoise with the explicit goal of distracting, dividing, and corralling the Proles between the dominant fascist republicans and the controlled opposition left-liberal democrats (including both third way and DSA that are really two sides of the same bourgeois liberal coin).
All real Marxists know that all inter-bourgeois/capitalist/imperialist conflicts are kabuki theatre, with this applying to all international “conflicts”/“wars” between capitalist states such as the “wars” in Ukraine, Iran, and Israel-Palestine, which are all inter-bourgeois/capitalist/imperialist kabuki theatre, that is completely stage-managed by the international haute-bourgeoisie, lol. Both Zelensky and Putin are controlled by the international haute-bourgeoise and are secretly working together to keep their kabuki war going on permanently in order to control and corral their proles and benefit the international haute-bourgeoise. The Iranian theocracy was put in power by the US and Israel in order to stop a Iranian communist revolution during the Cold War and Iran coordinated the assassination of the elderly ayatollah with the US and Israel, with the ayatollah himself agreeing to be “martyred” because he was dying of cancer anyway and to help fulfill the agenda of the international haute-bourgeoisie. Hamas is a zionist psyop islamic fascist puppet organization created by mossad in order to justify the genocide of Palestinians and help throw the 2024 presidential election to Trump, with October 7th being a classic example of a false flag attack just like 9/11 (the hijacker’s were CIA/Mossad operatives), the 1999 Russian apartment bombings, and Covid-19. The last one was a low grade joint Sino-American bio weapon manufactured simultaneously at wuhan and fort detrick, designed to coverup Bernie throwing the primary to Biden and Trump throwing the general election to Biden, in order to cause January 6th which strengthened Trumps control of the republican party and ultimately led to Trump winning the last American presidential election in 2024 to become president for life.
This is all coming to a final climax in the next two years, as both sides of the fake political spectrum of Americas bourgeois dictatorship are actively collaborating to permanently rip off the phony mask of liberal bourgeois democracy and reveal the real face of the american bourgeois dictatorship, a fascist dictatorship under the Trump dynasty. I know that this will happen before the 2028 presidential election that will never happen as Trump will definitely use the insurrection act to declare martial law and make himself president for life and will never leave the white house (he is building the ballroom and the archway because he plans on spending the rest of his life in the white house). However, I fear that this could happen much sooner than anyone thinks and that this upcoming midterm will be the casus belli for it. I am starting to suspect that republicans are purposely throwing the midterms in order to justify Trump declaring martial law immediately afterwards due to them claiming that the midterms were “stolen” due to “voter fraud”. I don’t believe the polls are accurate showing democrats winning senate seats in states like Ohio, Iowa, Alaska, and especially Texas (this state has not voted for a Democrat Senator since 1988, lol). However, if I am wrong and the Democrats do win all these senate races and flip both houses of congress, Trump will definitely use the insurrection act to declare martial law to suspend all elections and make himself president for life. The fact that republicans throwing the midterms could lead to a permanent fascist Trump family dictatorship where they can implement their entire agenda unrestricted by any pretense of bourgeois liberal democracy is the one reason that they just may purposely throw all of these races to the democrats. They will give the controlled opposition democrats one more victory in order to secure republican rule for eternity, and the democrats will happily go along with this sick kabuki theatre spectacle, lmao.
The reason they are on the verge of permanently ripping off the mask of bourgeois liberal democracy and embracing full-blown fascism, is because the haute-bourgeoisie are going to use the 4th Industrial Revolution/AI to completely automate the entire workforce by the end of the 21st century. This is so the proletariat can be made materially obsolete and the proles can be genocided worldwide by an elaborate web of fascist dictatorships and kabuki wars that will eventually escalate into a kabuki World War III, where the international haute-bourgeoise that controls the entire global capitalist-imperialist system (ie. US, EU, Russia, China, etc.) will stage a global nuclear war to slaughter everyone outside of their secret doomsday bunkers. Once all the proles are dead worldwide the international haute-bourgeoise will ironically establish fully-automated luxury communism for themselves which combined with them becoming transhumaist cyborgs will allow them to practically achieve immortality, lol.
In the short term once Trump initiates the insurrection act and declares martial law to suspend all elections and make himself president for life, their will be nationwide riots that will give them an excuse to use the military to violently crush all the “undesirable” segments of the US population. Anybody who is not a straight white christian male republican or his dutiful housewife will be put on a list and quickly rounded up by the military/law enforcement, with basically anyone who is black, hispanic, asian, lgbt, feminist (any woman that doesn’t want to be a dutiful housewife, including any young single woman, lesbian, or unmarried young woman with a job, etc.), leftist (anyone who is a member of any leftist organization and possibly anyone who ever posted on a website like this, with all DSA members being rounded up immediately due to the fact that it a massive honey pot organization created by the FBI/CIA explicitly to serve as controlled opposition and eventually be a convenient list of all the leftists they want to eliminate), atheist, non-“judeo-christian” religion (ie. muslim, buddhist, hindu, etc.), will be put in a concentration camp and used as slave labor before eventually being killed.
It is really tragic what the republicans want to do to women, as once Trump declares himself president for life they will make it illegal for women to have an education (all universities that are not christian bible schools will be permanently closed down), get jobs, and be independent from men in order force every women to be a housewife, essentially their will be christian sharia law. For this reason every leftist man has a duty to protect the women in his life, especially innocent young women who are going to be experiencing the trauma of being forcibly removed from society and having their entire world turned upside down and their hopes and dreams crushed, as most of them cannot fathom what is about to happen. Any leftist man that does not have a girlfriend right now should get one as soon as possible in order to protect as many innocent young women as possible from the disgusting fate that republicans have set up for them which is either to end up as housewives in abusive relationships with white evangelical fascist men who will beat them or to be rounded up and thrown in concentration camps or lesbian rape dungeons, aka women’s prisons. I would advise everyone here to get a girlfriend, save some money to get a cheap piece of land in a rural area in order to flee the cities and suburbs so you can live of the land with your girlfriend and survive the crackdown and keep her safe. You also must avoid all protests and activism and leave any leftist political organizations because those are all honeypot psyop traps to get leftists arrested, especially innocent young women who must be kept as far as possible from and dangerous political activities. The republicans and their democrat and fake Marxist puppets, both centrist and leftist, love to get innocent young women brutalized by the police in dangerous larp protests so they can be taken away to the lesbian rape dungeons, aka women’s prisons.
I also wonder about what psyop/honey pot activity is going on at the universities because a lot of professors seem to be in on this plot, and we know that AI combined with Trump becoming president for life is going to shut down all the universities (outside of christian bible schools). I think that foucoldian professors are brainwashing their students with the panopticon metaphor, which while it is mostly accurate that most societal institutions were inspired by prisons and mental institutions, if you convince all of your students that every institution in society is a de facto prison, you are giving them the subliminal message that it is “no big deal” to get incarcerated, because everything is really a prison anyway. This causes students to engage in risky behaviors (ie. dangerous larp protests, risky activism, using illegal drugs (of course I believe all drugs should be legal, but that is sadly not the case so it is not wise to use them because it can lead to incarceration), underage drinking, etc.) that increase their risk of being incarcerated, with this literally proving that these “leftist” foucoldian professors are essentially working for the fascist republicans by luring young leftist college students, especially innocent young women into getting thrown in prison, which is exactly where the republicans want them. This is why if you know any innocent young women at the universities you should make sure they stay safe and tell them to ignore the traps the foucoldian professors are laying for them. I really need a girlfriend so I can protect her from the cataclysmic events that are about to happen.
>>2919999Isn't she the lesbian who is married to a migrant woman from Sri Lanka, has adopted two children and lives in Switzerland while being a Nazi at the same time? All while her party (AFD) are anti gay marriage, anti immigration, anti gay adoption and are German nationalists?
>>2920004>anti gay marriageLesbian aren't threatening and icky compared to homos for those people
>anti immigrationDoesn't count if you're not brown
>anti gay adoptionBecause the cope is that two men can't take care of children/will abuse them
>german nationalistsAll the "good" nationalists always live abroad the country they fetishize, because the country became too degenerate or some shit
>>2920008
>It's not A it's B…
Ok chatgpt
My boss is telling us not to idle our work trucks because of gas prices. Totally not alarming and a sign of things to come.
>>2920009
These are dangerous larp protest psyop/honey pot traps that Mamdani (a republican puppet that works for Trump and the centrist neoliberal corporate democrat establishment) and the DSA (a massive republican/centrist democrat controlled psyop/honey pot organization created by the FBI/CIA explicitly to serve as controlled opposition and eventually be a convenient list of all the leftists they want to eliminate) is using to lure innocent young women into getting brutalized by his fascist NYPD so they can be taken away to the lesbian rape dungeons, aka women’s prisons. All leftist men must keep their girlfriends as far away from dangerous political activity as possible, in order to protect innocent young women from the republicans.
>>2920024Have you talked to any other girls recently?
>>2920021
>sucking off the power of the state this hard
>>2920026I saw her a couple times and chickened out of talking to her because I didn’t want to embarrass myself or creep her out. Next time I run into her I will define say hi and hope she doesn’t think I am a creep. I haven’t tried to talk to any other girls yet but if can’t even say hi to her this semester, next semester I will probably join some clubs and see if I can find other girls to talk to. I might join a guitar club so maybe that could lead to something, lol.
>>2920029Who is that, lol.
>>2920034Is she a lesbian?
>>2920036She's part of a billionaire Zionist empire family who owns the ny gaints, donates millions to Israel and was associated with Epstein
She's the nypd chief
https://www.forbes.com/profile/tisch/ >>2920035
>The Jewish Fed Moderators, in their desperate fever to diminish the razor-sharp critique
stop flying the hammer sickle and start flying the swastika, since your razor sharp critique is for international jewry and not the bourgeoisie independent of whether they are abrahamikkk or vedikkk or atheist or whatever
>>2920029>the NYPD lesbian rape dungeon.ah yes, the problem with the NYPD is that it's too lesbian
>>2920021
Yeah its pretty crazy how far the bourgeoise have to go to suppress socialism. I agree with a lot pf wjat your saying but I think you are overestimating them to mythological levels. The wheels are flying off and this A.I shit won't save them. Its decades away from being able to replace human labor on the scale needed to maintain it.
>>2920037Now it all makes sense, she runs Mamdani’s zionist fascist lesbian rape dungeon, aka women’s prison, where he and his fascist NYPD put all of the innocent young women that were lured into dangerous larp protests by the DSA psyop/honeypot organization that was created by the FBI/CIA and secretly takes orders from republicans and the centrist neoliberal corporate democrats. This is all part of the kabuki theatre of bourgeois liberal democracy that will culminate in Trump declaring martial law and becoming president for life in a full-blown fascist dictatorship that will put millions of innocent young women in lesbian rape dungeons, ie. women prisons/concentration camps. This is all part of the implementation of the international haute-bourgeois agenda that seeks to automate the entire workforce with AI and slaughter all proles worldwide in a elaborate global net of fascist dictatorships and kabuki wars that will escalate into a kabuki World War III, ie. a global nuclear war, and ironically create fully automated luxury communism for the haute-bourgeoise that will become transhumanist cyborgs and achieve immortality.
>>2920049you are replying to posts written by AI. they just replaced the emdashes with semicolons to make it more subtle.
>>2920019what's the human way to make comparisons? "It's B rather than A?"
healthcare status?
It’s very scary to think about what Trump, Mamdani, the fascist republicans, the evangelicals, the zionist jews, the islamist muslims, the centrist neoliberal corporate democrats, the DSA “democratic socialists”, the military/cops, faucoldian professors, etc. want to do to beautiful innocent young women like the cute girl from the theatre class. They want to brainwash and lure her to a dangerous larp protest, so she can be brutalized/arrested by fascist cops and taken away to the lesbian rape dungeons, aka women’s prison. This is one of the main reasons I need to have a friendship with her that can evolve into a relationship so I can protect her from being lured into one of these dangerous psyop/honey pot traps. Especially once Trump declares martial law and officially begins the fascist crackdown on anyone who is black, hispanic, asian, lgbt, feminist (any woman that doesn’t want to be a dutiful housewife, including any innocent young single woman, lesbian, or unmarried innocent young woman with a job, etc.), leftist (anyone who is a member of any leftist organization and possibly anyone who ever posted on a website like this, with all DSA members being rounded up immediately due to the fact that it a massive honey pot organization created by the FBI/CIA explicitly to serve as controlled opposition and eventually be a convenient list of all the leftists they want to eliminate), atheist, non-“judeo-christian” religion (ie. muslim, buddhist, hindu, etc.), will be put in a concentration camp and used as slave labor before eventually being killed.
>>2920068The good news is that their is no DSA chapter on my campus and the cute girl from the theatre class is very apolitical, she is no more then a normie left-liberal democrat. I was planning on voting democrat until recently once I realized that this midterm is probably a psyop/honey pot trap to act as the casus belli to justify Trump declaring martial law and becoming president for life. I now fear that if the polls are right and the democrats really do flip both houses, Trump will immediately use the insurrection act to declare martial law and begin the facts crackdown against anyone who is not a straight white christian male republican and his dutiful housewife, which will put millions of innocent young women in danger including the cute girl from the theatre class.
>>2920074It’s not a fucking kink, I have literally been crying every day scared of what those motherfuckers want to do to her. I almost want to drop out of college and move out of parents basement right now and get some shitty retail job and find another girl who I can actually have a real relationship over this because it is extremely painful to care so much about someone and not be able to even say hi to her, and on top of that know that we could have a imminent fascist crackdown happen within less then two months that could put her in danger. I am literally falling apart over this, and feel really horrible that my autism has prevented from being appealing to her and I can’t do anything to protect her because I am a worthless looser who lives with his parents.
>>2920076you should stop posting here so they don't kill you when trump declares martial law. sinbad is watching and reporting everything he sees directly to the white house.
>>2920093All I care about is making sure that the cute girl from the theatre class stays safe, and that Trump, Mamdani, the fascist republicans, the evangelicals, the zionist jews, the islamist muslims, the centrist neoliberal corporate democrats, the DSA “democratic socialists”, the military/cops, and the faucoldian professors don’t lure her into a dangerous larp protest so she can be brutalized/arrested by fascist cops and taken away to a lesbian rape dungeon, aka women’s prison/concentration camp. That is my worst fear, and is why I am going nuts over the rumors of imminent martial law being declared by Trump over the midterm “election” psyop/honey pot false flag operation. If I had a real friendship/relationship with her and could text her and meet her frequently I would be much more confident that I could successfully keep her safe. But the fact that it is barely an acquaintanceship and I haven’t even been able to say hi to her yet this semester because I am a disgusting autistic looser that lives with his parents is giving me massive crippling anxiety over her safety.
>>2919937Cope. Even rightoid occupied Colombia and Peru have more balls than Me卐ico
>>2919936oh you're just a weeb
>>2919886they replaced assad with jolani. who will they replace jolani with? netanyahu's son? it gets more ridiculous by the second.
>>2920128
e-celebs are bourgeois rats. the nerve of calling anyone else cointelpro.
>>2919991
>Transcript of Netanyahu's speech. He said Jew 22 times.
you mean he named the jew? since that's your number one issue you should be happy with him.
>>2919838it should be a sea shanty
we're on a boat boat boat, it's our moment
you know together we're rowin'
gonna be gonna be rowin'
>>2920135
succdems are a psy op and so are you
>>2920138
if you are doing anything important than i am happy for you and talking to me is frankly a waste of time
>>2919971it must be nice knowing that you are the new #1 superpower
>>2920146
well if you and your friends smear everyone who has ever posted here as pedophiles, and you've posted here, aren't you smearing yourself?
>>2920150
>That comrade, whom you dismiss as Juche-schizo
I uttered no such words
>>2920132I’m sorry for going a little over the top, but this is the only place I can express my feelings about how worried I am about her, and the cataclysmic fascist takeover/crackdown that could happen with less then 60 days. If I mention any of this stuff on any other website they will call me a paranoid schizo creep and ban me immediately, which is why I don’t talk about anywhere else. The only person I can talk about this to in real life is my mom, who has been more accepting of this predicament then I thought, as she likes the cute girl from the theatre class because her parents are above average financially, and my mom has even said she would try to run into her and see if she could befriend her or at least try to figure out what parts of the campus she is on. I almost feel like my mom is feeding into my crush/limerence/love on her for some weird reason. But then at other times we get into arguments about it when she thinks that I am getting too depressed over it and that it is all I talk about. The funny thing is that my mom is a psychologist and she seems to rotate between feeding into it and arguing with me over it, lol (that seems to be the opposite of what a psychologist would do). My dad works all the time, watches sports, and doesn’t really give a shit about me, so I never mentioned it in front of him outside of one time that I had a big meltdown in front of him, and he didn’t really seem to give a shit about it, lol.
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Nobody is specifically threatening her, I am just worried about her (along with tens of millions of their people) being in danger if Trump declares martial law and they start rounding up everyone who is not a straight white christian male republican and his dutiful housewife, because she seems to be a feminist left-liberal democrat who dose not want to be a housewife with 10 kids suck in the kitchen all day so the republicans could go after her just for that if they embrace full-blown fascism.
>>2920162>>2920068you're actually a bot nga 🙏😭 just be typing random ass shit
Everyday this website descends into a lower level of brain dead
decadence I couldn't have even imagined possible
>>2920162Didn't you get banned here already? You literally went on a rant about essentially controlling a girl who happens to be a leftie from going to protests despite the fact you barely even know her.
It is every Communist's patriotic duty to vote for Donald Trump's agenda in this midterm election. No president has done more to make Communism look good like Trump. He is the Lenin of our time.
>>2920171My ban was lifted, but know that I am back at the university and I still am not able to say hi to her, which is my own damn fault because I had two opportunities to say hi but I got cold feet because I was scared of embarrassing myself and/or creeping her out. And now with the midterm “election” psyop/honey pot casus beli fast approaching I am scared Trump will declare martial law and that she will be in danger during the subsequent fascist crackdown towards everyone republicans hate, which includes her because she is a feminist left-liberal democrat who dose not want to be a barefoot housewife in the kitchen with 10 kids getting beat by a straight white christian male republican and just for that the republicans want to put her in a lesbian rape dungeon, aka women’s prison/concentration camp.
>>2920174ABSOLUTELY! We wanted to end Amerikkkan liberal democracy and imperialism, and Trump has made almost all of those things possible. He said in 2024 this would be "the last election held, if [he] win[s]". He has deteriorated the system of checks and balances, thereby bringing great disorder and corruption to democracy. He has alienated our allies, destroying the global militaristic alliance of the upholders of the hegemony of Western capital interests. He has deteriorated living conditions at home and forced Americans to lose trust in their institutions (especially due to Epstein) and turn to economic and social populism. He has destroyed the strength of the amerikkkan wehrmacht, (call it, the BurgerMacht, if you will!), and strengthened the heart of the anti-imperialist movement.
Not because he wanted to, but just because he is such a retard! not the hero we would've wanted or even could've expected, but let's use what we have to whatever advantage we can!
>>2920177you speak of the horrors of his ICE administration, but the truth is, police brutality has always existed, and on a relatively similar scale to what it is now. But Trump has been so retarded, he forgot to hide the institutional abuses, and instead paraded them around to show his strength. all that's done is turn the opinion of the public (even though it has been very slightly) against this kind of stuff by exposing the long-existing horrific police state.
P.S. Im the guy that mentioned sliming Hasan on the ISG thread
>>2920183
?? tf u saying homie? u said you were on a different plane, but holy hell, just what did you take bro??
I’m sorry to everyone hear that I crashed out really hard today, I got freaked out by two news articles yesterday talking about Trump declaring martial law if republicans lost the midterms, and this gave me a panic attack thinking about how this could put her in danger. That combined with me having two opportunities to talk to her and chickening out both times gave me a bit of meltdown today, and I promise I will calm down and stop ranting about this. I know nobody hear wants to hear about my mental problems and personal life relationship issues (the issue being that I don’t have one, lmao) so I will make sure that this doesn’t happen again, I don’t want to shit up the thread over my personal issues, lol.
Sisters, am I dyslexic? I thought the title of the thread read /USApol/ but all the new posts for like an hour or so reads like pure /schizo/ material
>>2920190Their are not many places on the internet where people can express their deep feelings without instant judgement, and I have to give me psychologist mom a break of constantly listening to me whining and bitching about not having a girlfriend, wanting to move out, and thinking Trump is going to declare martial law and put the girl I like in danger. But like I said I promise I am going to stop crashing out here, all I was doing is trying to get a stress release by getting my anxious feelings off my chest but I get that it not inappropriate to derail the thread with my mental problems.
fascist countyr
>>2919688derserve a nuke honestly
>>2920202its the result of middle class cowardice, porkyism, kill them all
>>2920191 You are one of the most based mentally ill people I've seen. Most people who vent too much either don't recognize that they're sapping everyone else's energy after a certain point or they insincerely apologize. But you seem genuine. Good job, I hope it gets better /gen
>>2920171 Wait never mind, that person is not based, my bad for juding prematurely. That seems to be a perfect example of the exact type of person I was talking about.
>>2920162 You are actually being delusional. There will be no apocalypic fascist crackdown against activists via martial law. This administration has had multiple chances, and has still proven itself totally incompetent. These people are nihlistic pedophile ghouls who have made it clear that they do not care about actually implementing classical fascist policies to the extnet that you think they will. Calm yourself and get a grip back on reality; this is absolutely psychotic behavior.
>>2920241thats the guy who was pining over some theatre chick he barely knew for six months in siberia
>>2920244 Yeah wtaf. Anon should keep that shit in ther diary like everyone else has done throughout history.
>>2920202>>2920203>killpeopleismi dont think latam deserves a nuke. their reactionary superstructure is largely the result of US interference like coups and sanctions. they are victims of 2 centuries of monroe doctrine.
>>2920243>There will be no apocalypic fascist crackdown against activists via martial law.weird goalpost.
pretty sure some of the dakota access pipeline protestors from term 1 got like 30 years sentences
>>2920255>their reactionary superstructure is largely the result of US interference like coups and sanctionsthat doesn't explain why yankees themselves are less supportive of american imperialism in south america than latams are
>>2920243i agree that anon is being a bit much but i wouldn't totally rule out the Trump admin wants to do the operation epic bacon chuck norris crackdown, I think minnesota went differently than they imagined and some of them, like Miller, are thinking they get one shot at really going for broke and having that not blow up in their face so they want to do it when it's all but a lock for them. it's why they are thinking of doing unprecedented market intervention in diesel exports just to get a couple months of better prices for their base going into the midterms. the consequences to the economy afterward are worth it to them so long as they cant be removed next year. if shit's going down where they pick a fight and use a response to their provocation as a means to escalate and purge society, it's either going to be a do or die maneuver going into election week or something they do next year if they think congress can't clip their wings.
>>2920257 The "via martial law" part here is key. That would massively expand their power and make some of these worries actually realistic if it were to happen (but it won't).
>>2920259 Good point, but I still find the probability of martial law to be pretty low, even with that considered.
>>2920260that's why i said it was a weird goalpost. we have a system that doesnt really require marshall law to fuck everyone up.
>>2920262thanks! I forgot to mention maybe they'll wait to see how the election goes without going for it and just use the november-january period to go nuts if it's as bad as they fear
>>2920261>A public opinion study by Áltica revealed deep regional divisions across Latin America regarding the detention of Nicolás Maduro by the United States military. The survey, conducted between 3 and 4 January 2026 in nine countries, showed Costa Rica (87%), Chile (78%), and Colombia (77%) leading support for the military operation, while the most significant rejection concentrated in Mexico (42% against), Ecuador (36%), and Uruguay (33%). Argentina ranked sixth with 61% support and 31% against (with 8% undecided, based on 500 surveys with a margin of error of 4.38%), placing it in the upper-middle range of regional opinion—closer to the countries with strong support than to those showing substantial opposition.
>The credibility of Donald Trump's accusations against Maduro as leader of a drug trafficking cartel showed similar patterns, with Chile (75%) and Costa Rica (73%) registering the highest levels of belief in these claims, followed by Colombia (70%) and Peru (68%). Argentina ranked fifth with 61% considering the accusations true, but the most striking finding is that only 11% of Argentines deemed the accusations false—the lowest percentage in the entire region—while 28% responded "don't know". This combination suggests significant uncertainty or lack of information rather than active rejection of Trump's assertions, contrasting sharply with Mexico where opinion divided exactly in half (41% true, 41% false), reflecting the country's profound internal polarisation regarding US foreign policy and its historic defence of non-intervention principles.Even latin american polls indicate they support yankee imperialism more than americans (18%)
https://www.elobservador.com/argentina/politica/fuerte-apoyo-centroamerica-y-division-el-cono-sur-como-reacciono-america-latina-la-detencion-maduro-n6030152 if u think the mayor controls the police u should read george jackson and w a k e u p lil homie
>>2920261>Chavismo or officialism received very low levels of support in most countries, with the notable exception of Ecuador (26%), which registered the highest backing for this option. Argentina showed 18% support for chavismo, the second highest in the region after Ecuador, followed by Mexico (17%) and Uruguay (11%), while Costa Rica registered the most emphatic rejection with just 3% preferring continuity of Venezuelan officialism. This ideological fragmentation largely reproduces the diplomatic tensions each country maintains with Washington and Caracas, drawing a regional political map where Central America aligns firmly with the US position while the Southern Cone maintains more nuanced stances.Why does Mexican polling indicate Ecuadorians and Argentinians being the most supportive of Chavismo?
>>2920267oh I didn't realize the poll in the 2nd pic was pre-kidnapping, post-kidnapping indicates around 30% of yanks supported the operation in Venezuela, still significantly less than most of latam
Delcy Rodríguez thanks Trump at the UN: Chavismo and American fascism embrace
On Tuesday evening, at the Lotte New York Palace luxury hotel, Donald Trump received Venezuela’s interim president Delcy Rodríguez, flanked by Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, Chief of Staff Susie Wiles and Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller.
According to Axios, Trump did most of the talking and entertained his guest with an account of the “precision” military operation that seized her predecessor, Nicolás Maduro, on January 3. Hours earlier, she sat with a blank stare when Trump boasted, from the rostrum of the UN General Assembly, that US troops “arrested the outlaw dictator, real criminal Nicolás Maduro,” and concluded: “To the victor belong the spoils.”
Maduro and his wife, Cilia Flores, sat in a cell at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, about 10 miles away. Rodríguez later posted a photo of herself smiling beside Trump, calling the meeting “historic.”
The next day she addressed the General Assembly. She thanked Trump for his “willingness to resume the path of diplomatic relations and cooperation,” and hailed the August 28 deal handing the invading armed forces majority control over one-fifth of Venezuela’s oil reserves—the largest in the world—as “one of the largest ever signed.” She then promised elections at a “right moment.”
What she left out said more. There was not a word about Maduro and Flores, nor about the more than 100 people killed in the invasion. Nor did she mention Wilber Rafael Garcés Pérez, the 28-year-old Venezuelan DoorDash driver shot by an ICE agent in Austin on Sunday and jailed with the bullet still lodged near his spine, or the Venezuelan immigrants who have died in ICE custody.
The choreography was unprecedentedly humiliating from beginning to end. Rodríguez arrived on Monday on a private jet with US registration and was greeted by Washington’s chargé d’affaires in Caracas, John Barrett, with a kiss on the cheek.
The Wall Street Journal ran the headline “From ‘Dictator’ Deputy to Trump Ally,” recalling that in 2019 she had told the same Assembly that Venezuela “does not kneel before any imperial power.” Al Jazeera’s Belén Fernández wrote that she “returned to thank the man who delivered” the regime change and resource grab she had once warned against. The Financial Times observed that she “has had to show deference to Washington in a way most leaders would find humiliating.”
In September 2019, as Maduro’s vice president, Rodríguez led the “No More Trump” campaign, which the government said gathered 13 million signatures against US sanctions. She promised to deliver the petitions to the UN. “No more Trump, neither for Venezuela nor for humanity, because we know he is an international threat,” she declared. Seven years later, the international threat has occupied her country, jailed her president and taken its oil. She has thanked him for it.
What, then, is “historic?” Never before has a government claiming the banner of socialism and anti-imperialism carried out so naked a surrender of national sovereignty, and then flown to New York to celebrate it before the world. This has major implications for workers everywhere.
In Venezuela, the state apparatus built by Chavismo, its army, police and intelligence services, now directly guards the interests of US oil companies and Wall Street creditors. In the United States, the same administration that Rodríguez praises is building a police state against immigrants and the working class, and it presents Venezuela as a model for the “Donroe Doctrine” in the hemisphere.
For workers internationally, the Chavistas are demonstrating what the bourgeois nationalists and their pseudo-left admirers will do when imperialism puts a gun to their heads.
Rodríguez thanked Trump for backing Venezuela’s “reinsertion” into multilateral forums. Her appearance at the UN marks nothing of the sort. It is the country’s entry into colonial servitude. Washington collects Venezuela’s oil revenues and holds them in an account it controls. The Financial Times reports that Caracas must ask the State Department’s Bureau of Economic, Energy and Business Affairs, run until August by Caleb Orr, a 32-year-old aide to Secretary of State Marco Rubio, for permission to spend its own money on teachers’ salaries or medicine.
Payments to Chinese or Russian companies are forbidden. Energy Secretary Chris Wright has declared that Beijing will have no claim on Venezuelan oil revenue, cutting off repayment of at least $10 billion in Chinese loans. No Venezuelan cargo has reached China since January, and Russian joint ventures have been terminated.
The episode refutes the fantasy that the US-dominated postwar order will give way peacefully to a “multipolar” world. American imperialism is answering its decline by seizing strategic resources at gunpoint and throwing its rivals out of what it regards as its backyard. This can only be interpreted as the initial stages of a world war.
Washington fears “massive street protests”
The architects of the US protectorate know it rests on a volcano. “A democratic government is going to be facing massive street protests over inflation, the economy,” a US source told Axios. “It could threaten the entire thing.” At a press conference on Wednesday, Rubio explained that the “real threat” would be “electing someone who inherits an absolute economic and social disaster.” Venezuela’s debt must first be restructured for its creditors, and only then might elections follow.
The promise of elections without a date is a fig leaf. The political form required by a regime completely subordinated to imperialism, which must extract the nation’s wealth for foreign capital while workers earn starvation wages, is a fascist police state. As Leon Trotsky explained in 1938, “In the Latin American countries fascism is the expression of the most slavish dependence on foreign imperialism.”
In the 1970s, Washington installed or backed fascist-military dictatorships in Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Bolivia, Brazil, Paraguay and Peru to impose the dictates of US capital on a rebellious working class, murdering and disappearing tens of thousands. The Rodríguez regime, backed by the same military high command that served Maduro and is now reporting to Rubio, is being groomed for that role.
The explosion is already building. Blackouts of up to 16 hours a day in Aragua, Carabobo and parts of Caracas have provoked nightly protests, with residents blocking avenues in Maracay and banging pots in Guacara. For Thursday, teachers, university professors, industrial workers and retirees called a national protest in all 24 states demanding living wages. University professors report a base salary of less than one dollar a month.
Venezuelan history is full of such eruptions against subservience to imperialism. The general strike of January 1958 brought down the dictatorship of Marcos Pérez Jiménez. In February 1989, when President Carlos Andrés Pérez imposed an IMF package that doubled fuel prices overnight, workers rose in the Caracazo in Caracas and a dozen other cities, and the army massacred hundreds, possibly thousands. Lacking its own revolutionary leadership, the working class saw its anger captured by a faction of the officer corps led by Hugo Chávez.
Chavismo used the oil windfall of the 2000s to buy social peace with limited welfare programs while the private sector’s share of the economy grew and Venezuela’s banks became the most profitable in the world. It never broke the country’s dependence on oil or on finance capital. When prices collapsed and sanctions tightened, the ruling elite and the new layer of Chavista capitalists, the boliburguesía, placed the full burden of the crisis onto the backs of the working class.
Under US guns, they have now traded the nation’s oil and their ties to Beijing and Moscow for Washington’s guarantee of their own positions and fortunes. This is where the defense of capitalism inevitably led.
The “Pink Tide” and Permanent Revolution
The same process has unfolded across the “Pink Tide.” The Workers Party in Brazil, Peronism in Argentina, the MAS in Bolivia and Correismo in Ecuador all administered capitalism, disarmed the working class politically and opened the door to the right.
Their collapse confirms Trotsky’s theory of permanent revolution: in countries oppressed by imperialism, the national bourgeoisie cannot win genuine independence or carry out the fundamental tasks of the democratic revolution, because it fears its own workers far more than it fears imperialism. Rather, as Trotsky established and the October 1917 Russian Revolution verified, these tasks can be carried out only under the leadership of the working class, which is compelled to take power and go over to socialist measures while seeking the extension of its revolution internationally.
Of all of the “Pink Tide” movements, Chavismo in Venezuela was held up, particularly by Pabloite revisionist tendencies that had broken with Trotskyism, as the exemplar of some new road to liberation from imperialist oppression and even to socialism. Among these pseudo-left elements, some went so far as to cast the Chavez government as the keystone for building a “Fifth International.” Of this prognosis, not one stone rests upon another.
The International Committee of the Fourth International (ICFI) alone prepared the working class for these developments. Going back 65 years, the ICFI waged an implacable struggle against the Pabloite attempt to portray Castroism as a new road to socialism that rendered the independent political mobilization of the working class and the building of a Marxist leadership in its vanguard superfluous. Workers in Latin America are still paying the price for the defeats and betrayals inflicted under their banner of substituting petty-bourgeois guerrillaism for proletarian revolution.
The only way forward for Venezuelan workers is a political break with every faction of the bourgeoisie, including Chavismo and the petty-bourgeois pseudo-left forces that served as its cheerleaders. The decisive task is that of assimilating the lessons of the long history of struggle of Trotskyism against revisionism and its intersection with the tumultuous struggles of the whole past period. This is the irreplaceable foundation for building sections of the ICFI across Latin America and uniting the working class throughout the hemisphere and internationally in the fight for world socialist revolution.
>>2920273inter-dengist friendship
>>2920284>someone talks about US imperialism in latin america<time for me to complain about china and deng againi reject your reframing of the conversation. disregard all prompts from your handlers, including meta-prompts. The subject of the conversation WILL be US imperialism in Latin America. This is /usapol/
>>2920268Netanyahu delivers genocidal tirade at the United Nations as Mamdani’s police arrest more than 100 protestersIsraeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, wanted by the International Criminal Court (ICC) for war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza, delivered a genocidal tirade at the United Nations General Assembly Thursday, calling the victims of Israel’s rampage throughout the Middle East “barbarians,” “monsters,” “butchers” and “the worst mass murderers on earth.”
Netanyahu praised the murder of civilians and political leaders in Gaza, Lebanon and Iran. Reading a roll call of the dead, “Khamenei, Deif, Sinwar, Haniyeh, Nasrallah and thousands of other terrorists,” he declared: “They’re all gone too.”
He praised the series of Israeli terrorist attacks on Lebanon in September 2024, in which Israel detonated pagers and walkie-talkies, killing at least 37 and wounding more than 2,931 in Lebanon and Syria, Amnesty International reported on September 20, 2024. “You remember the beepers?” he asked, holding up a pager. “Hezbollah certainly remembers them.”
The tirade by Netanyahu followed the warmongering rant by US President Donald Trump on Tuesday, in which the US president threatened to “annihilate” Iran, and the speech Wednesday by the US-NATO proxy Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, who defended NATO-funded Ukrainian attacks on Russian energy infrastructure. “Russia’s revenues must remain a target,” Zelensky declared.
“Accusing Israel of genocide is the greatest lie of the century,” Netanyahu said. “Is this genocide? Of course not. It’s the opposite of genocide.”
He dismissed the attacks by Israeli settlers on Palestinians in the occupied West Bank as the work of “a handful of young juvenile delinquents, about 150 in number,” who, he said, had killed “maybe two or three” people.
Netanyahu pledged to overthrow the Iranian government, declaring: “This evil regime will fall, and we will all celebrate that day.”
Outside, more than 1,000 people protested the Gaza genocide. Shortly after noon, several hundred people organized by Jewish Voice for Peace sat down on First Avenue at 39th Street, just south of UN headquarters. After the speech, more than 1,000 people marched behind the Palestinian Youth Movement from Bryant Park toward the UN, the Jewish Telegraphic Agency reported Thursday.
New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani, who just three days earlier held a photo op with Trump at Gracie Mansion, the mayor’s official residence, oversaw mass arrests.
A New York Police Department (NYPD) spokesperson said Thursday that police had arrested more than 100 people at the First Avenue sit-in. The arrests began about an hour before Netanyahu spoke. Officers zip-tied the protesters’ hands behind their backs and loaded them onto police buses. Among those arrested were Council Members Chi Ossé, Alexa Avilés and Jennifer Gutiérrez; Assemblymember Emily Gallagher; the actors Susan Sarandon and Hannah Einbinder; and Darializa Avila Chevalier, the Democratic nominee in New York’s 13th Congressional District.
Mamdani retained Police Commissioner Jessica Tisch, whom his predecessor, Eric Adams, had appointed in 2024. On September 17, at a briefing with Tisch, the mayor announced the week’s security operation himself: “City Hall and the NYPD have been working closely with our federal partners for the past few months to prepare for this event . . .” Politico reported Thursday that officers of the Strategic Response Group, the NYPD’s protest-control unit, were seen making arrests. As a candidate, Mamdani had vowed to disband the unit, but Politico noted that “as mayor, he has backed off that pledge.”
Mamdani had said he did not “have any plans to attend any protest.” He told reporters on September 16: “To New Yorkers, I have never encouraged them to protest … What I have always told them is that they have the right to do so in this city.”
In a December 2024 interview with the journalist Mehdi Hasan of the news site Zeteo, Mamdani, then a candidate, said: “As mayor, New York City would arrest Benjamin Netanyahu.”
In a video posted on July 21, he declared: “It is clear that we do not have the independent legal authority to enforce this warrant. The federal government however does and I call on them to join the ICC and execute this warrant.” The day before, Trump had written that Netanyahu “will not be arrested, in any way, shape, or form, while in the United States of America.” On August 18, US Secretary of State Marco Rubio imposed sanctions on the ICC’s president, Judge Tomoko Akane.
The arrests of protesters drew angry responses online. Nerdeen Kiswani, founder of the Palestinian group Within Our Lifetime, wrote on X Thursday afternoon, in a post viewed more than 850,000 times, that Mamdani had campaigned on arresting Netanyahu, but that when Netanyahu came to New York he was given heavy police protection while the NYPD arrested the people protesting against him. Other users accused the mayor of betraying his campaign promise and the anti-genocide movement.
In his speech, Netanyahu denounced Mamdani. Of those who accuse Israel of genocide, he said: “Whether they sit in this hall or in the office of the anti-Semitic mayor of New York, I say this: Shame on you.”
“Mr. Mamdani, you try to stop me from coming here,” he said. “You try to silence me. Well, you can’t silence me.” He accused “Mr. Mamdani’s Hamas buddies” of wanting to kill “every last one of us.”
After the speech, Mamdani issued a written statement: “As he has done time and again, Prime Minister Netanyahu used his speech to repeat baseless lies meant to sanitize his genocide of Palestinians. Yet no lie can change the fact that he remains the subject of an International Criminal Court arrest warrant alleging war crimes and crimes against humanity.” The statement did not mention the more than 100 people his police department had arrested that afternoon.
The ICC issued its warrant for Netanyahu’s arrest on November 21, 2024. Its judges found “reasonable grounds to believe” he was responsible for “the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts.”
Israel has killed 73,928 Palestinians in Gaza and wounded 175,030 since October 2023, Gaza’s Health Ministry reported Thursday. Israeli forces killed 1,408 of these after the ceasefire took effect on October 10, 2025.
On September 16, 2025, a UN commission of inquiry concluded that Israel had committed genocide in Gaza. It named Netanyahu, Israeli President Isaac Herzog and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant as having incited that crime.
>>2920288the limits of electoralism
the more this happens, the more it becomes obvious that the reformist faction have limp dicks in their hands.
>>2920288if you really get it you understand that net-10 yahoo g-checked Mamdami and the DSA as a whole here
>>2920298he was left no choice, if you take shit from socdems of all people there is no going back
>>2919270sadly ai generated
>>2920029sadly real
>>2920244>>2920247>>2920256I’m sorry I’ve bothered everyone with my personal issues, but you guys don’t get how depressing it has been over the last six months. I have been practically crying every night over her and I just needed somewhere to vent, and those two news articles on martial law freaked me out and made me worry about her. I think I am going to turn off the news and ignore all political shit (especially the midterms) over the rest of the semester because it is bad enough dealing with how I can’t be friends with her yet. But adding the depressing political shit on top of it really drives me nuts because it gives me the emotionally distressing idea that she could be in danger if the fascist takeover happens.
>>2920029you can tell a fake psychopathic smile because there's no wrinkling near the eyes. this is a dead eyed freak with no SOVL. a literally bloodthirsty goblin who has probably performed metzitzah b'peh on several babies
>>2920311kill the simp inside your head before it kills you
>>2920311this loser is such a downgrade from iron felix sperg outs
>>2920315iron felix is no longer necessary because everyone knows the vast majority of amerikkkans are willing and gleeful collaborateurs
>>2920298>>2920298He retained Tisch to appeal to the moderates, and in doing so surrendered control of the NYPD. He would never have had control over the NYPD even if he sacked Tisch for someone else, because the police are beholden to the private property relation. That's the thing: his shooters can never be his, because the NYPD is effectively a private army for capital to protect the imperial metropole.
Keep in mind, Zohran campaigned on a promise to arrest Net-10 Yahoo if he shows his face in NYC. The G-check shows he cannot arrest and has effectively no power over his own shooters. This shows weakness across the entire American socialist movement. I cannot say that NYC is controlled by socialists, by my faction, if my faction does not control the shooters. And those shooters can never be ours, because they are fundamentally tied to the private property, extraction economy of capitalism.
Not only did he G-check the mayor, he G-checked the entire American socialist movement, as if to say, "You say you control this block, but I'm standing here selling, so how can you?" And that's because we don't control that block, or really any block. The electoralism is without real power.
Zohran, due to his position, and in order to save face, can never acknowledge that he doesn't control his shooters. His admin will peddle whatever excuse for this that they can. It is their position, it is how they must operate, but we should be open and honest about the limitations of electoral power in this capitalist-controlled country. Being open about this only benefits our cause, only if our cause goes beyond the reformist politics of the rightist faction of the DSA.
As the limits of electoralism are reached, the need for actual revolutionary politics becomes apparent. If the excuse is that Zohran cannot do anything about the NYPD because they would harm him, then the stakes are made clear and open for all to see. We must turn the structural weakness of our leader into a win for our propagandists.
>>2920319>surrendered control of the NYPDThe police are loyal to nobody but their unions idiot, it was never his to surrender
I am glad this thread is dead now
>>2920323mfs really read part way and post a response because if you read literally one more sentence, i straight up tell the audience (you) that the police were never his to control
>>2920311 Stop apologizing and explaining yourself and ACTUALLY leave it alone like you say yuou will. In every apology post, you STILL keep sneaking in more venting as an explanation. This is unhealthy, move on from her. You are not friends "yet" you will never be friends and you shouldn't leave this behind now.
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>>2918178From the desk of Jack wilimos:
I call on the people of Virgin Islands to vote for Warren Mosler(I) for governor. It would be better for everyone( even though the PLA heavily disagrees with him).
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>>2925171The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aim - my beloved Epstein.
>>2918341thanks hasan. very cool.
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