/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2930520
>The project to isolate Russia was not carried out
NATO expansion has officially ended then?

>>2930519
>You’re being paid by the FSB!
You must realise what a crybaby you sound like when saying this.

>>2930523
>can't even read
I'm not responding to this, if you're not completely illiterate you know damn well that's not what I said. Respond to the actual statement or shut the fuck up.

>>2930524
I'm laughing at you and the absolute rut that Anglo Z has found itself in. I only wanted to check in after the Trump energy deal and it's even more pathetic than I could ever have imagined. Back in 2022 I thought nothing could surpass the "uhhh it's an act of goodwill to retreat from Kiev" meme, but Anglo Z continually proves otherwise, just legendary levels of delusion.

>>2930525
You’re producing word salad to dance around the fact your claim is that the US isn’t trying to imperialise a resource-rich nation, it’s actually a willing customer that temporarily protests the invasion of Ukraine by not buying.

>inb4 Noooo you can’t read because if you could I wouldn’t sound so retarded and clearly biased towards the US

>>2930519
Whining about Russian/Chinese glowies is the most obvious case of projection, Langley.

>>2930527
Why would I care? This is a political forum and a thread to discuss a major conflict, what you find personally amusing is an irrelevancy. Perhaps you’re also amused by the sensation of soiling yourself and forcing others to witness and tolerating it, based on your posts ITT that would be the IRL equivalent for your amusement.

>>2930496
why do you think they love trots so much?

>>2930554
Anyone who claims Russians are being genocided by Ukraine is an SVR agent, full stop, no debate.

>>2930556
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-terrorist_Operation_Zone


2 more weeks of the ATOZ avozisters

>>2930536
If that’s your understanding of what the US’ sanctions are, then I have to ask you what chimp outs did nations like Cuba or the DPRK have to be near-equals to Russia in the intensity of their sanctions?

>>2930554
>ukraine was just about to march through russia like genghis khan and hitler combined if the smo didn't start
>russia has been winning the smo this entire time and crushed the banderites
Ziggasister please pick one

>>2930496
>being more committed to Russia’s defeat than the American Bourgeoisie are
erm, bolshevik giga much?

>Zelenskyy is forced to an election as a pretext for a ceasefire during big NATO elections
>The NATO right sides with JDPON Don and the retarded pretext of "negotiating" an end to the war
>The NATO "left" campaigns on Russiagate/TDF and for apocalyptic endless war not just in Ukraine but against worldwide "authoritarians".
>Whoever wins, the underlying agendas remains the same.
>Zelenskyy gets shitcanned and hopefully martyred
Picrel draws closer lel

>>2930380
>None of the elites in any of these countries care they're just following their scripts
the screeching of the eu and us elites like a truck full of pigs is also a script or or just improv clases?

>>2930562
sad part is, the only thing that europe won was a recession.

>>2930560
Well this is the point, "anti-campism" is not necessarily neutrality as in "neither Washington, nor Moscow". It can, and in this conflict overwhelmingly it does, take the form of
>Fuck Russia
>I hate Russia so much
>History started in 2022 when Russia chimped out for no reasouyghur memes are okay for Russia because they're that bad
>Everyone who doesn't wish for Russia to lose is an FSB shill
>I really enjoy making homophobic remarks about the Russian leader for some reason
>Russia are liars, there's no way Ukraine could take over Russia, that's definitely their claim and therefore I won't listen to anything they say
>Best day of my life is when the 90s x 1000 happen to those orcs after their country is Balkanised
<But please don't misunderstand, I'm not like the US' number one fan or anything although leftypol is massively biased against them

>>2930519
'convinced nobody' and who am I?
boi, you can leave this thread anytime now.

>>2930564
Putler and Agent Z working together to destroy Europe once and for all

Maybe is too dark in kiev for trump to see that there's no ceasefire.
(CHP-5 taken out, again, three hours after the 'ceasefire' announcement)

>>2930613
>all 800 years of their history is nothing but chimping out
you should read about the kingdoms of those times screeching about everything Russians or any other people did. Tankanon is right about ukrainians hating poles even more than Russians, despite zelya's efforts, of Polelols pissing their pants out of rage when they see banderites.
is that a rebuttal to something said here: >>2930565
?

>>2930613
>why all those peoples who had the misfortune to get conquered by Russia at some point deserve no better than to be part of it
idea of 'Nation State' is a late 19th century spook. Mainly aimed at austro hungaria and Russia. No, not every backwater swamp people automatically deserve their own state, government and political position equivalent with actual world powers. And I do note that that is different from local governance of peoples.

But come on look at balts for example. In no era of European or world history have neighboring states suffered such little wimpy and bitchy countries with no economy, military, situated on a plain with no natural borders of their own to exists. To such countries 'independence' is just the freedom to choose to who they choose to vassalize themselves to and suffer the consequences if they choose poorly.

sorry but you need to know dialectical materialism to post here, nafo bros. dialectical materialism (and modern physics) says that properties of things can only exist as relationships between things. sir roger penrose proposed conformal cyclic cosmology because of how fundamental this realization is. that's to say, your relationship to the world is the actual measure of what you are. this is where christcucks wail in agony because it's incompatible with their sin concept or salvation through belief. it also breaks a lot of liberalism.
if you act as a stormtrooper to imperialism, which ukraine is even outside of ukraine, such as in the middle east since the iraq war and to this day, that's what you are. the liberal worldview is based on an obsolete view of reality itself where things are appraised based on their 'innate qualities' instead of their place in the world. unlike the ukrainian government, a different group that is actually oppressed in a meaningful way, the kurds, decided that they won't be the stormtroopers of imperialism in iran despite their previous cooperation with western powers and clearly existing pressure for them to do so. as a reward, they didn't earn a darwin award, unlike ukraine. hats off to them. had they caved in, the 'nature' of kurdish political organizations at the very least would itself have changed and things that would have been objectively acceptable in 2018 would become objectively unacceptable in 2026 and it definitely would have reframed the previous projects, such as rojava. but thankfully they didn't take the retard choice. that's also where soviet deportations come from, an acceptable and even laudable national project suddenly becomes a lot less laudable when the 'united europe' tries to establish its colonial project with petty nationalists as one of their primary tools. every single marxist speaks of this as far back as the first marxist, friedrich engels, to whom the polish and hungarian self-determination projects were laudable while most other slavic projects were to be crushed, as they aligned with reaction. none of this is new. it's generally best to make sure no one ends up at the point where their project can't help but align with global reaction, and here, the russian government failed, though from inaction instead of action. most of this thread is just liberals pissing and crying about their liberal worldview where innate qualities are the key. "oh you see, lenin said this thing more than 100 years ago, this clearly applies to the results of decades of imperialist intelligence work cultivating fascist runaways from soviet ukraine going as far back as canada in 1940s" no it doesn't, lenin had a dialectical worldview. and that's if you get any reason whatsoever other than blind hatred.

>>2930520
>This idea that American oligarchs are trying to destroy Russia is campist/Russian propaganda, American oligarchs want to make money and only the MIC really makes money off of picking a fight with the Russians.

That's retarded dude.

>This idea that American oligarchs are trying to destroy Russia is campist/Russian propaganda
Damn, I wonder who could be behind this post.

>>2930636
>unlike the ukrainian government, a different group that is actually oppressed in a meaningful way, the kurds, decided that they won't be the stormtroopers of imperialism in iran despite their previous cooperation with western powers and clearly existing pressure for them to do so. as a reward, they didn't earn a darwin award, unlike ukraine.
The Kurds did not do that, but if Iran invaded the KRG for some crazy reason then I'm pretty sure the Kurds there would shoot back at them.

>had they caved in, the 'nature' of kurdish political organizations at the very least would itself have changed and things that would have been objectively acceptable in 2018 would become objectively unacceptable in 2026 and it definitely would have reframed the previous projects, such as rojava.
For "critical supporter" leftists, I guess. But there are also different Kurdish organizations. The YPG/YPJ in Syria was interrelated with the PKK, but the KRG in Iraq is split between the KDP in Erbil and the PUK in Sulaymaniyah, and the PUK is more leftist and friendlier with Iran, although the KDP and PUK have been working on integrating their forces. The KDP is a more conservative force. I'm kind of ignorant about this but at least from what I understand Kurds will tend to back each other up for being Kurdish although the political differences are real. The KDP and PUK had a civil war in the 1990s.

>every single marxist speaks of this as far back as the first marxist, friedrich engels, to whom the polish and hungarian self-determination projects were laudable while most other slavic projects were to be crushed, as they aligned with reaction.
That's true but I have to point out they regarded the Tsarist state in particular as the stronghold of reaction. You have to think it's little discomforting that Russia along with the U.S. are aligned with the same right-wing political parties in Europe. Not that there's some grand unified conspiracy going on, I'm talking about the objective political function. You might say the twin-headed eagle of reaction now is Russia and the United States. Although surely in our day no one wold suggest the petty nationalist projects that deserve to be crushed by the wheel of history include the DPR/LPR, South Ossetia or Abkhazia.

>"oh you see, lenin said this thing more than 100 years ago, this clearly applies to the results of decades of imperialist intelligence work cultivating fascist runaways from soviet ukraine going as far back as canada in 1940s" no it doesn't, lenin had a dialectical worldview. and that's if you get any reason whatsoever other than blind hatred.
Well what happens is that opposites turn in their opposites, and then those opposites turn into their opposites.

>>2930520
>>2930520
How easily you can put together a bunch of nonsensical stuff. AI? is that what do you?
You put a prompt and ask to an AI to put together every strawman and fallacy you can find while sounding like a communist?
Let's dissect the overall idea:
>It is not the Cold War, this is not the Soviet Union, American capitalists do not view Russia as an enemy they have to destroy anymore

Since the 90s there is one big battle going. It's not communists/socialists or communism/socialism versus capitalism anymore, not on the Atlantic side of the Earth at least.
It's neoliberalism and neoliberalized capitalism owning everyone and everything with wall-street and the squire mile as their headquarters with a complacent IMF that needs to obey the ofac and use dollars versus the self-determination of nations to have a state competing with capitalism offering broader anti-individualist, anti-monopolized means of production and services.
This was obvious when they killed an anti-communist like Saddan Hussein, it was obvious when they went against Ghaddafi, that's why they invented a lawfare against Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner despite she isn't a communist, that's why they invented lawfares against Evo or Correa, that's why they took Maduro with a military aggression, that's why they are desperate to politically kill even mediocre left-wing figures such as Petro or Lula, that's why the went into Afghanistan and control poppy flowers production, that's why they are reducing all social policies in Europe since the 90s with even a PSOE in Spain so diligent in neoliberalizing everything while talking you about "fraternite egalite liberte" to bamboozle everyone, it was obvious when they went against Assad, that's why they are smearing Claudia Sheinbaum with local political opposition figures linking Morena with drug trafficking and ask for a military intervention. Fucking trump went against the WTO calling it a detriment to the US, 'unfair to the US' because they weren't winning 100% of the litigation cases, just near 70% of the cases.

Whatever crap that you put together after that it's child-like reasoning.

>>2930673
>Since the 90s there is one big battle going. It's not communists/socialists or communism/socialism versus capitalism anymore, not on the Atlantic side of the Earth at least.
I agree with that. But I have to point out that organized crime families also both cooperate with each other and go to war. So do we critically support the Colombos or the Gambinos.

The great satan vs a small stan.

Lets cheer for the great satan.

NAFO’s latest attempt to shoot themselves in the foot is claiming that Ukraine targeting Yandex facilities will eliminate online support for Trump and other “anti-Ukraine” figures, since of course that’s all Russian bots lmao

Do these people think elections are conducted by Xitter polls? How are the bots able to vote in elections?

I really wonder how a certain flag poster here will react if russia just flat out loses

>>2930738
Probably as usual explain my position on it as politely as possible, while certain non-flag posters call me an FSB shill, that they’re enjoying themselves so much at my expense, how they simultaneously know the frequency at which I post and for how long but insist they’re a very rare visitor to the thread, openly wish for harm to come to me, etc.

Basically a sealed bottle of sweet bubbly analysis floating in a sea of NAFOid tears.

Actually it’s quite ironic that the precedent has been set on targeting server farms due to le Russian bot farms, because I’m pretty sure a lot more than psyops are run on Azure and AWS in the West.

>>2930750
And as always Russians were the first to target data center in Ukraine and brag about it. You reap what you sow.

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>>2930751
>You reap what you sow.
Yeah, did you not get that was the point being made?

I don't know why discussions about the nature of this war keeps getting linked to discussions about who's winning.

Who's winning or losing depends on things like funding, manpower, foreign relations, strategy, technological developments etc. If Ukraine/NATO wins it doesn't mean "Russia was imperialist and wrong to start the war" and if Russia wins it doesn't mean "Russia is anti imperialist and right to start the war."

These are two completely seperate discussions

>>2930766 (me)

My personal opinion is Ukraine should surrender and also Russia is imperialist. The working class must always surrender in bourgoies wars, and it's easier for Ukrainian proles to surrender than Russians.

>>2930264
meds

>>2930767
Agreed. Palestinians should just surrender to Israel.

>>2930767
> and it's easier for Ukrainian proles to surrender than Russians.
russians can simply go back to russia, isn't that way simpler than giving your country away?

>>2930784
Does that means everyone who was living in Donbass prior to 2022 and 2014 also?

>"Why aren't the United States making an agreement with Ukraine for diesel fuel supplies? We influence whether these ships move. We determine whether refineries operate," said the President of Ukraine.
Lmao I’m weirdly enjoying this, probably because either outcome is pretty delectable. Either Trump looks like a complete bitch totally powerless to imperial impulses Zelensky, or Zelensky is shut up in one way or another for flying too close to the sun.

Imagine such a choice coming from some small, smokey fires!

>>2930826
Nato can't even afford graphic designers any more

>>2930826
damn, AI already took over NATO communications. it's over for humanitycels

I don't even know why I come in here. I've been arguing with Russians for over a decade, my mind isn't changing at this point and I already know Russians refuse to ever admit they do anything wrong. Maybe it's just to let the SVR know they can't change my mind, that their psyops do not work on me no matter how long you subject me to them.

>>2930946
It’s the worst case of protagonist syndrome I’ve ever seen.

>>2930946
you're not arguing with russians you retarded fuck

>>2930946
>>2930946
You will talk Russian and you will like it.

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