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>>2911597Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine
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Project for the New American Century = ZIONIST DEATH CULT
PNAC was a neoconservative think tank made up of a who’s who of American neocons. Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan were the founders. Among their proposals was the so-called Wolfowitz Doctrine crafted by Paul Wolfowitz which called for massive military spending and preemptive invasions of foreign nations hostile to America, and specifically called for a “NEW PEARL HARBOR” to justify said policies.
It’s important to note that Wolfowitz was a student of political philosopher Leo Strauss who taught that political elites should see themselves as philosopher kings and lie to the vulgar masses of people in order to keep the masses in-check. When philosophers aren’t ruling overtly, they should rule covertly. Bill and his father Irving Kristol were die-hard followers of Strauss and sought to implement his thought any way they could. The Straussian cabal is very real and has been carefully manipulating American politics from the Nixon era onward.
Also, Clean Break was a bipartisan predecessor to PNAC that called for a U.S. invasion of Iraq as early as 1999 under the name “Operation Desert Crossing.”
Given that we are now in the 25th anniversary of 9/11can we all admit PNAC did 9/11?
POWER OF NIGHTMARES
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jxBbw13Y3GcA VERY HEAVY AGENDA (PNAC + 9/11)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/mbaAPILY8XmM/Neocons are satanic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNYidsuhaKYZionist Jew YouTuber: "Claiming Jews were behind Iraq War is 'BLOOD LIBEL.'"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUA2Sy3jAZE&t=6013s(1:40:13)
>"oy vey goyim, let us lie and deceive the public and give us the oil and let us establish a rothschild bank"They aren't even making an effort to hide it anymore.
Total neocon death.
>>2921051kill everyone who uses reddit unironically
here is something for the cucktinposters:
>According to Lavrov, Europe is doing everythingto sabotage the prospects for peaceful negotiations on Ukraine, which are of interest to, among others, the Trump administration;
>muh trump peace plancuckold relationship
>>2921050Robert Kagan was also calling for war with Russia in the 2000s.
are the non-credible defence redditors going to commit mass suicide when ukraine falls? or will it just be a mask-off "we killed so many russians without expending a single aryan herrenvolk NATO soldier"?
>>2921050>”oy vey”Fuck off
>>2921128im not reading that 4chan garbage
>>2921123some redditors/nafoids are clearly in it for the west/nato and dont actually care about ukraine, so whilst they will be disappointed ukraine lost they wont see it as the end of the world
but then there the other half which genuinely believe Zelensky is the true face of democracy and ukraine is a beacon of liberalism and russia is literally nazi germany and that nato is the only thing standing in the way of totalitarianism and blah blah blah. Among these people there may be a suicide or two when it becomes clear ukraine lost.
i doubt ukraine is going to completely fall, more likely Russia annexes the east
>>2921140Unironically, Ukraine IS the only thing standing between Europe and Russian domination. European militaries other than Ukraine's are so outdated, small and underequipped they would be utterly hopeless against Russia. If Ukraine ever does fall, everyone east of France might as well surrender because they seemingly refuse to update their armed forces. They really do believe only in fighting to the last Ukrainian, they don't even value their own countries enough to even attempt to fight themselves.
hoping russia kwabs ukraine fast because I'm looking forward to my new hobby of making fun of nafoids
>>2921143i think when ukraine looses i will make a twitter account, and im saying this as someone whose never had one
>>2921123There is the good chance of deleted accounts and "Well, I never believed in this bullshit that destroyed Ukraine as state and took EU political and economic creditability with it" takes.
You people give too much credit to some people to actually form their own opinions even if they are misguided or outright evil and stick them, when they actually just absorb whatever the yellow press/reddit hivemind says is today the right thing to believe today. Also there won't be a cathartic end to many of the ghouls who pushed this war and confrontation with Russia, big or small.
>>2921188>Also there won't be a cathartic end to many of the ghouls who pushed this war and confrontation with Russia, big or small.That's why I act abrasive and get my licks in from the start. It's not like you're going to see those invertebrates ever again.
>>2921244They can… stop any time. Most countries have sense not to suicide themselves and their population, and keep taking unsustainable losses.
Shame everyone that uses sunflower oil can’t die all at once, that’s all any of you are
>>2921247you're angry at sunflower oil?
>>2921247>that’s all any of you aresunflower oil user? wtf does your comment even mean?
>>2921267You and your kind will be slaves on my ranch for Buttersraum
>>2921273You mean besides the Tsars being all Germans and the Bolsheviks being German intelligence assets that got out of hand exactly like al Qaeda with the US?
>>2921274Damn, what a cope. Same as broke-ass Americans selling their industry to the USSR and being paid to work there, and then trying to take credit for its industrialization.
>>2921278Peter the Great turned Russia into an actual country by repressing slavism
>>2921296
Also Magyars (sons of Cain and modern Amalek deserving of a similar biblical fate) use pure pork lard which it doesn’t differentiate from butter
>>2921263Anon is in a desperate need for a made up hierarchy in which he is on top and can look down on others. Any criteria can do, no matter how nonsensical it is.
In this particular occurence, it appears the criteria is the type of fat used for cooking.
>>2921322Congrats you figured out the joke retard
>>2921274The Tsars were the puppets of the British and the French, not the Germans you retard. Russia fought against Germany in WW1. It was British and French bankers who held the Tsarist regime by the balls with their loans/debt that the Bolsheviks cancelled. Also under the Bolsheviks Russia took half of Germany enough with the retarded nationalistoid cope that Lenin was a German agent. If the Bolsheviks really were German agents Hitler wouldn't have armed up Germany to attack them.
>>2921063TIL Dr. Strangelove was the first Incel to have been portrayed by Hollywood.
>>2921345Oh boy a second country to get stuck in for 5 years and to get drone striked by. Surely nothing bad will happen???
>>2921345porkies in russia dont wanna call it war because muh stock markets, fuck i hate that fucking cuck
>>2921328Lenin won against Russia's tsar and against foreign imperialists, including the
RothschildBritish Empire and German Empire. Anti-communists will never get over this.
>>2921261Using butter to cook is really weird, idk why anyone would choose to do that. Sunflower oil is objectively the best for cooking since olive oil is not great at high temperatures (it is the best to just put on some bread though).
>>2921408>idk why anyone would choose to do thatPoorer people.
>>2921123Tbh I think that if Russia bombs baltics and NATO won’t respond by declaring total war (and it won’t cause the 5th article doesn’t mean you have to send troops) some nafoids might unironically die from butthurt.
The baltics are the weakest link cause they have like less than 10 million people who live there in total. These countries are as fake as Belgium or Liechtenstein.
In theory, could Russia sweep up a Baltic state in a 24h operation? Theoretically possible I assume, but I have my doubts after watching Ukraine.
If Russia would get bogged down in a small country, that would be embarrassing.
>>2921413Much how Ukraine was fake and needed only 3 days to fall
Guys, you have to step up the game a bit…
>>2921419It would take 6 and a half years, no more no less. Mfs still don't know how 21st century wars work. Slow until it isn't.
>>2921419>In theory, could Russia sweep up a Baltic state in a 24h operation?No because every European country has been secretly stockpiling drones for the past few years and they are all ready to rape any Russian military force to death just like the Ukrainians.
>>2921419Not with an active war ongoing and even if the current one ended tomorrow, not anytime soon because Russia would need time to rebuild and adapt its strained economy.
>>2921413>and it won’tNATO hawks are literally waiting for this to have a casus belli for going all in against RU.
Guys who won the election?
>>2921505The Communists, obviously, but Putin rigged the vote and Zyuganov is scared of launching a civil war to contest for power.
>>2921475Putin deciding to distract from Ukraine by invading the Baltics hoping for an ez win is like a gambling addict who already lost all his money hitting up the bank for a final loan to try to bet one last time. I don't think he's stupid enough to attempt it but then again I didn't think he was stupid enough to stalemate against Ukraine either so anything is possible at this point.
>>2921246Not everyone is inherently cucked. People will fight simply on the principle their country *should* exist, not whether it *can*. Also, fanatical resistance is a provably effective strategy, if you're implying its not it means you're implying you would rather genocide all Ukrainians than see Russia lose.
>>2921526I find it hilarious that we're almost 5 years into this war and Russians have not figured out any arguments for trying to convince Ukrainians to support them other than "die holhol die we will ban your language and force you to obey our government". Putin drank so much Russian nationalist kool aid that he really thought telling Ukrainians they don't deserve to exist and Lenin invented their entire country was a compelling argument.
>>2921551>Lenin invented their entire country was a compelling argument.thats true though
>>2921562Lenin didn't start the Ukrainianization trend it was already happening. What he did was get in front of the trend and concede what was already obvious to all so Ukraine could still be allied to Russia. Putin can't even manage that. That retard really wants to go back to the Tsarist days and remove even Lenin's compromise.
>>2921564>Lenin didn't start the Ukrainianization trend it was already happening. What he did was get in front of the trend and concede what was already obvious to all so Ukraine could still be allied to Russia. Putin can't even manage that. That retard really wants to go back to the Tsarist days and remove even Lenin's compromise.im a communist, I dont support nation states you dumb fag
>>2921366Oh boy an article from an anonymous publication about an unsourced article that doesn't exist anymore and was somehow never archived. Sounds legit.
>>2921512>but Putin rigged the vote and Zyuganov is scared of launching a civil war to contest for power. as much I agree with Zyuganov being a cuck, launching a civil war under current conditions would be suicide and ensure some pro western lib come to power, supported by the ukrops and western glowies. Reactionaries forces would unite under anti-communism and the only way the reds could win this time if the chinese supported the reds
>>2921565All Communists have supported nation states including Marx. Stop LARPing. Abolition of states doesn't happen until the whole world is communist.
>>2921246>They can… stop any time.russians can also pick their toys and return to russia anytime
>>2921475for what purpose? what is there in russia that is of any worth that russians aren't desperate to sell in the first place?
>>2921592reconstruction contracts, oil, what more do you need?
>>2921593russians are desperate to sell oil, it's all they've got
>>2921590Nah, persecution of Russians in Ukraine and Nazism will end, not sorry.
>>2921050PNAC doesn’t exist anymore and has nothing to do with Ukraine, idiot.
>>2921608Mobilization status?
>>2921575>All Communists have supported nation states including Marxyeah, more than 150 years ago, since then nation states have long been a hindrance to human progress
>>2921644A robot and drone war becomes really risky when you account for possible sanctions and rise in worker power and strikes at factories and energy facilities. Also there really isn't the capacity in the west to produce anything but boutique weapons in small amounts. China alone could basically dictate west's ability to wage war, because China is the everything supplychain, like it did with rare earths.
Why west and the US hates china is because it makes all their shit uncompetitive with better MoP and western porky really doesn't want the competition or the huge costs to modernize manufacturing, they just want to topple China first striking it's allies and then take China's profits. They really are damned if they do and damned if they don't. West really can't do mass production without China and without mass production there won't be a long robot war.
>>2921627Kagan/Nuland did the Maidan and put the Nazis in power over there. UK and EUrocrats were involved too, but EUrocrats wanted Klitschko as puppet president. Klitschko would have sold out UA too no doubt but at least he's not a Nazi, so things might have turned out slightly better for the Donetsk/Luhansk people and UA leftists. However, the NATO-RU conflict over UA would have escalated sooner or later anyway. Subjugating RU and grabbing it's resources is the main goal of western imperialists since centuries.
here's a reminder that the only reason ziggers claim this is a conflict with nato is that they are ashamed to admit their russia couldn't overpower ukraine
pitiful cope of a pitiful people
"Where Have All The Flowers Gone"
Ooh, where have all the flowers gone?
A long time passing
Where have all the flowers gone?
Long ago
Where have all the flowers gone?
Girl, they picked up everyone
(When will they ever learn?)
(When will they learn?)
When will they ever learn?
Where have all the soldiers gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the soldiers gone?
Long ago
Where have all the soldiers gone?
They've gone to graveyards, every one
(When will they ever learn?)
(When will they learn?)
(When will they learn, ever learn?)
(When will they learn?)
(When and when will they learn, ever learn?)
(When will they ever learn?)
Will they ever?
(When will they ever) Learn? Yeah, yeah
Where have all the flowers gone?
A long time passing
Where have all the flowers gone?
Long ago
Where have all the flowers gone?
The graveyard, oh
(When will they ever learn?)
(When will they learn?)
Oh, ever learn
Ooh, if you don't know what we're talkin' about
We say this there's too many starvin' children
If you don't know what we're talkin' about
When we say we're killin' each other
And we just ain't got time for ya, brother, no, no
Hey, hey, you don't know what we're talkin' about
When we say we're livin' in a last day of time
No, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, if you don't know
No, no, no, no
>>2921758brvtal trvthnvke…
>>2921758Yankoids try to take credit for the entire Eastern Front over some lend lease trucks.
>>2921963
Address the point made or fuck off.
>Bong
Okay burger.
>>2921984
Point is I’m kind of fine with being associated with a distinctive sounding bell, rather than fast food.
Like I don’t have to be confronted with questions like
>But what happens to Big Ben under communism
whereas Yankoids must answer what happens to Miccy D’s and other national treat-based pastimes if everyone hates Capitalism now.
>>2921988
Yeah so anyway are you going to confront the irony of
>America won the Eastern Front via Studebakers
>Ukraine stands alone against Russia, except for the billions of USD funding their economy, access to America’s eyes in the skies, their complete dependency on American weapons and Zelensky’s frequent trips to the US to ask for more
Because anything else is off topic and derailing. This is not the Champagne Socialist thread, it’s neither the support thread for people I’ve rekt over the years to seek closure. Address the point or fuck off.
>>2921992
>That's right, Russia won going on 4 years now
Yeah I knew you couldn’t address it
>You have not rekt me
I just have, telling you to fuck off was honest advice.
>>2921994
Points like
>ur a fag
raised to avoid addressing my point.
>>2922000
All you had to do to avoid sounding like some vengeful jilted obsessive, was address the point that Ukraine is not standing alone if Yankoids claim lend lease trucks means they won the Eastern Front. Or, accept you cannot address that contradiction and leave.
>>2922007
>Dude I don't care about this Ukraine war like you do
Not an excuse to not address the point when replying to me anyway.
>It's a commercial version of some drone training simulator that the Ukie forces supposedly use
<Steam
They claim they use War Thunder for training which is on Steam because it’s a game, along with a bunch of other games depicting FPV drone warfare, you my hotheaded man have fallen for marketing with branding.
>>2922017
I assure you it’s a marketing gimmick Ukraine already has that appeals to the edgy desire to spend all day in your pyjamas laying out Russian soldiers, controlling FPV drones from your gaming laptop. They don’t care about training, they care about getting the currently un-mobilised to join of their own volition in the belief they’ll get to be FPV drone operators.
Russia lost. I think they should immediately sign an armistice and freeze the current lines before things get worse. Ukrops are already claiming that Porkroast is slowly getting liberated. It's fucking over…
Reviews for the game are pretty funny
>Most of the game is locked to civilian users … The screenshots and videos on Steam of the drones and game modes and all the fine tweaking are locked behind the "military" version. What you will receive upon purchase is far less than what is shown.
<We won't unlock the full version for civilians … You can always get a refund on Steam or join the army - we give the full version for free then :)
>>2922067The military is bourgeois division
>>2922068>>2922070>>2922074It’s definitely the future of gaming, I reckon if a cosmetic item or emote was locked behind signing a contract with the military you’d see plenty of recruits. I suppose in a sense joining the Ukrainian military would be like a loot box, of course players want FPV Operator duties but chances are you’re assigned to suicide rush a village that was called an irrelevant shithole not two weeks prior.
>>2922082>Set in 1989NGMI may as well be playing Holdfast.
>>2922086It has modern servers focused on the Ukraine war with FPV drones, they just arent as comfy as being a USSR soldier smoking burgers.
pic related its santa flying over donbas
>>2922088I think War Thunder’s infantry mode also has FPV drones. Not really sure how to feel about how influential goreposting in this conflict has apparently been. But I suppose that’s to be expected when you promote war as entertainment. And I suppose that in turn is to be expected when Ukraine is run by a TV production company.
>>2922092>how influential gorepostingvery, it fucking sucks you have both sides dehumanizing each other to absurd degrees to the point retards clap when some random school teacher conscript gets gore killed live on camera, our empathy is gone collectively.
>>2922100>muh both sidesIt’s very interesting how you have so much empathy for Nazis being blown to bits
>>2922104Yeah you dumb joid I think the min wage conscripts who get bussed onto the front line with little to no will to fight who are put in place by barrier units probably are victims of this conflict, russian or ukrainian.
>>2922100Indeed, gotta give the conflict a couple of decades before going all uwu over its weapons. Or at least I think that’s how long it’d take before larping as the commander of a Tiger II gets you labeled a history buff or a wehraboo, rather than an unironic Nazi.
Like I don’t think there’s any excusing the desire as simply a like for the engineering of FPV drones, we see drones ambush people and witness their terrified expressions for a short moment, in 1080p on a good day, and people want in.
>>2922110
The ruskies have been threatening to nuke us since the 60s, any time now.
More likely to be nuked by Mossad than Ivan.
>>2922110
As long as my death isn’t televised for the entertainment of people who probably complain about gluten allergies and pop anti-depressants like fucking tictacs, I’d consider myself lucky in this day and age.
>>2922114might surprise you to learn but the russian army isnt the same as the nazi one, different countries.
>>2922117also I think if we're going to start making nazi comparisons the ukraine side is gonna look worse, might want to be careful with that analogy.
>>2922122
>Caucasian animals
Whose from the Caucasus here?
Interesting that there’s two duplicate threads for a conflict no one cares about anymore
>>2922110
>WE ARE POWERFUL WE ARE STRONG FEAR US WE CAN BRING YOU TO YOUR KNEES IN AN HOUR
<Gets raped by holholistan drones for 5 years straight
Zigger propaganda isn't even funny anymore it's just sad. It's like an elderly babushka on the verge of death with dementia bragging about how she can beat you up when she's already struggling to control her own wheelchair. No one is scared. No one is frightened.
Damn, little guy is seething over a video from a uk tabloid. lmao.
>>2921526you realize you're talking to a Canadian-Ukrainian, right?
<I find it hilarious that we're almost 5 years into this war and Russians have not figured out any arguments for trying to convince Ukrainians to support them other than "die holhol die we will ban your language and force you to obey our government"literally just saying the opposite of reality. is this trolling? it was the Ukrainian government that tried to ban Russian speaking in the Donbass region. I find it highly convenient that all the educational material we had on this subject matter was wiped because the mods decided to host the site on a bare metal hard drive.
https://leftypol.org/edu/res/9906.html >>2922149>mfw all the nazis in ukraine fled to canadainteresting
>>2922122
posts like these are written in a basement in tel aviv or a basement in langley. not sure which
>>2922149They’re moving the goalposts from Russia liberating Donbass to conquering all of Ukraine. To gain sympathy, all the brightest minds in Ukraine could come up with is role reversal, by which now they’re in the position of the Donbassians who are getting shelled for speaking the wrong language.
>>2921050>”Jewish supremacy”Bill Kristol was taught by a goy (Harvey Mansfield) you fucking mong.
>>2922137>Zigger propaganda isn't even funny anymore it's just sad. It's like an elderly babushka on the verge of death with dementia bragging about how she can beat you up when she's already struggling to control her own wheelchair. No one is scared. No one is frightenedbaltoid eastern yurop lib analysis
>>2922413What is the situation right now anyways? What is the order of battle for that ukrainian vivaldi counreroink? How are they sustaining their losses daily?
>>2922695Haz being retarded as usual and indulging in metaphysical nonsense. But really that's just smoke and mirrors to distract from the real material reason behind Haz's support for Russia. It is because Russia sponsors both him and Jackson Hinkle. I think Jackson is currently living in Russia right now. Even if they wanted to say something bad about Russia they can't because their lives are now dependent on the Russian government. They lost objectivity because their very lives and financing depend on Russia so they will never criticize Russia just like how Haz never criticizes Dugin even when Dugin invites actual fascists to St. Petersburg.
>>2922695Nothing is "inherently" anything. Essentialists out!
>>2922675Human soldiers are going obsolete faster than expected. How can you win a revolution when youre against heat seeking drones swarms?
>>2922746Nothing for now. Protracted People's War glazers need to bunker down and hide until an affordable countermeasure is produced. Right now all guerilla groups are coasting by on the fact that mass drone strikes aren't a reality yet for most countries because the governments they're facing are still stuck in the old ways of tanks and armored divisions. As military knowledge spreads of how Ukraine/Russia have changed war, and as drones continue to become more advanced and cheap, the tide will irreversibly turn against guerilla groups.
>>2921408It really depends on the dish. Butter will make you chewy potatoes, while sunflower seed oil will make potatoes crispy, for example
help guys, I need to prove that ukraine provoked the war with their actions (at least partially) but obviously every source that comes up on google says otherwise
>>2921647The only alternatives to nation states are tribal reservations living at the mercy of nation states and unincorporated rape colonies championed by Musk, Thiel and AI oligarchs.
>>2922946You will not find anything because we are in the middle of the middle stages of WW3 and "being objective" means lending a narrative hand to the enemy. Give it 30 years and maybe we will see some "revisionist" history.
>>2922706100%. Jackson is a CIA agent working for the SVR now. He is bankrolled by an oligarch calles Malofevev or something.
>>2922723No need to
>If my side does X it is good<If my enemy does X it is bad >>2922757It's the other way around. Drones make large, expensive, mechanized armies obsolete precisely because they're so much cheaper and easy to acquire. Its the equivalent of guns and pikes ending the dominance of knights in the late middle ages. Drones are an equalizer that will reduce the power disparity between states and insurgents, and we're already seeing this in Lebanon, Yemen, etc. Even Ukraine is an example of this, since without drones Russia would have easily smashed the AFU.
>>2921644>>2922675AGVs aren't currently anywhere close to replacing actual soldiers, and aren't likely to do so barring some major leaps in robotics. The problems are obvious when you think about it for a minute, mainly that they are unable to self-correct any mechanical problems. If you picture a ground drone of the type being used in Ukraine (i.e. a little four wheeled robot with a machine gun mounted to it) then it immediately begs the question about what happens if its gun jams, if it gets stuck in the mud, tips over, camera gets obscured, etc. This is why they're mainly used either in non-combat roles (e.g. as ambulances or supply vehicles), suicide missions, or deployed alongside human soldiers that can address any of those problems.
>>2922946Cause they didn't, the most credible Russian pretext is the western shift Ukraine took after Maidan, but they even then they sent the little glow men and so largely created the conflict themselves. Attacking a state that became an ally of a "rival" might be a good reason but you're still provoking the conflict, can't have your cake and eat it too
>>2922746We need to win over more military people, veterans or currently in duty, to our side again. Soldiers used to be a big part of the communist/socialist movement back in the day.
We can defeat the drones by flooding the air ocean with concrete.
>>2922165It's not moving the goalposts, full takeover was the original objective in 2022; taking the Donbass (the original original 2014 objective) is the consolation prize since Ukraine, no matter what the Russians insist, is not going to collapse in 2 weeks.
Ukraine collapse status?
>>2922982>On 21 February 2022, Russia officially recognized the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic and, three days later, started a full-scale invasion of Ukraine, during which they occupied territory in the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia Oblasts, with formal military occupations beginning in the first week.>On 23 February, Putin in a televised address announced a "special military operation" in Ukraine launching a full-scale invasion of Ukraine. In his speech, Putin claimed that Russia has no plans to occupy Ukrainian territory, adding: "We are not going to impose anything on anyone by force".Cope.
>>2923001its the eternal war
>>2923006>Новый мир рождается на наших глазах.Smacks of opinion piece, is it?
>>2923001>Ukraine collapse status?>>2923001>Ukraine collapse status?THE VERKHOVNA RADA STANDS
THE BANDERITE UKRAINAN GOVERNMENT CONDUCTS ITS BUSINESS WITH IMPUNITY
THE BANDERITE MEMORIAL/REBURIAL SERVICES OF NAZI COLLABORATORS PROCEED UNMOLESTED
THE BANDERITES ORGANIZE INTERNATIONAL MEETINGS FOR OTHER EUROPEAN FASCISTS
THE NATO PRESS HOTELS DEFY THE SKIES WITH THEIR PRESENCE
>>2923010state media agency posting this gem on the second day of war is the biggest mask off moment ever
the fact that it all failed so spectacularly they had to delete the manifesto is but a cherry on top
>>2922455>How are they sustaining their losses daily?Columbian mercenaries
>The Forum of Supporters of the Struggle against Modern Practices of Neocolonialism "For the Freedom of Nations!",[a] also known as the "For the Freedom of Nations!" Movement[b] or FFN[c] is a Russian-led inter-party movement with a claimed goal of uniting political parties from various nations to counter what they claim is neocolonialism.[1] The movement was officially created in February 2024 on the initiative of the United Russia Party after the Forum's founding General Assembly was held in Moscow.[2] Since then, political parties from more than 50 countries have joined the movement.[3][4]
>Countering modern neocolonial practices is the self-proclaimed main goal of the "For the Freedom of Nations!" Movement. These practices are said to include "The imposition of sanctions and restrictive measures, weaponization of currencies, cultural indoctrination, falsification of history, information and psychological campaigns, etc.". The Movement claims that the West and capitalist countries are the main perpetrators of such practices[5] and describes itself as a forum for consolidation of the political movements from countries of the Global South.[6]
<The founding General Assembly of the Forum of Supporters of the Struggle against Modern Practices of Neocolonialism - "For the Freedom of Nations!" was attended by 50 political movements, including 8 European (from Azerbaijan, Armenia, Belarus, Bulgaria, Moldova, Russia, Serbia, and Turkey), 21 Asian (from Vietnam, Indonesia, Iran, Kazakhstan, Cambodia, Kyrgyzstan, Japan, China, North Korea, Laos, Lebanon, Malaysia, Mongolia, Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Palestine, Tajikistan, Thailand, Uzbekistan, and the Philippines), 11 African (from Algeria, Angola, Djibouti, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Namibia, Uganda, the Central African Republic, Eritrea, Ethiopia, and South Africa), and 9 Latin American (from Bolivia, Brazil, Venezuela, Honduras, Cuba, Mexico, Nicaragua, Peru, and El Salvador).[9]thoughts?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_Freedom_of_Nations!
>>2922966Every new innovation will eventually be countered, and they are already working on it. The Spanish Tercio dominated European battlefields after knights, until they didn't. In fact, cavalry made a heavy comeback in the 18th century.
>>2923018Irrelevant if it’s an opinion piece and it is, isn’t it?
>>2923021>believing glowiepedia in the year 2026Just assume that everything Wikipedia says about Russia is a lie. They still treat "mobile crematoriums" as real.
According to Wikipedia the "Russian warship go fuck yourself" also totally happened. Despite there being a woman on the recording but there were no women among the Snake Island personnel captured by Russia.
>>2923024How is this turning out?
>>2923018The truth is that the monkey putin meme is real and representative of the Russian state, there is no plan but get away with what they can, which would be ah… half of donbass for a million casualties and 4 years of war which was totally hmm the plan from the beginning
>>2923006That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, it's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not Putin's fault.
And if it was, he'll fix it.
And if he doesn't, it doesn't matter anyways.
>>2922971>AGVs aren't currently anywhere close to replacing actual soldiers, and aren't likely to do so barring some major leaps in robotics. I think they're starting to replace armored fighting vehicles, which in the future will transition into command vehicles controlling a formation of robotic vehicles that will bound forward several kilometers. What they're trying to do is unlock maneuver again. The infantry's job is to arrive later after the position has already been pretty well blown up / overrun.
>If you picture a ground drone of the type being used in Ukraine (i.e. a little four wheeled robot with a machine gun mounted to it) then it immediately begs the question about what happens if its gun jams, if it gets stuck in the mud, tips over, camera gets obscured, etc. I'm not sure but there are videos of these things pulling others when they get stuck or giving them a push to right themselves when they fall over on their side. The ones they're using now also have more firepower. Grenade launchers, rocket launchers with thermobaric warheads (like the RPO-A), and also they carry explosive charges and will drive in and blow up at the end of the mission.
Reminds me a little bit of ISIS assault tactics except without the people. They could pretty much devastate a fortified urban position with suicide vehicles, using a base of fire at a distance to suppress and then sending in kamikaze VBIEDs to blow the position up.
>>2922706I noticed you have no refutation of his argument
>>2921050>”straussian cabal”>”trotskycons”Okay, and who are these people working for? Whose class interests do they serve? Who’s paying Bill Kristol?
>>2923279I'm a relatively old fag, I actually wasn't really alive during the official Cold War I guess, but I am old enough to remember the kind of shit we used to know. The Cold War didn't really end, that's what time it still it is.
https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/They aren't balls motherfuckers like they were back then, I mean Hegseth, Trump, Rubio, lol. I think if we do reach "midnight" it will follow a period of buildup in warheads. None of these superpowers, the security council, the nuclear council(I call it, because, you can look this up, they are the only countries legally permitted to own nuclear weapons. Interesting isn't it. Japan and Germany are the ultimate cuck nations, "we would be world powers but America told us no."), will ever directly fight each-other. It's all a game.
But the nuclear council is a reminder, that's how bullshit all this other shit is. Nothing matters but an arsenal of nuclear weapons.
>>2923282When you have no nuclear arsenal, you have an umbrella, umbrella, ay, ay. The Germs recently worried that all their stored nuclear weapons for America weren't for them and tried making some nuclear pact with France, Macron started some thing with them, the French, who hold the legal right to build nuclear weapons, build them, then the Germs finance them, and they call them Germo-Frog nuclear weapons. But the reported danger is Le Pen, or rather her party(she is banned or something right?) get in because she has vocally stated Jerries get no fucking nukes.
>>2921274I want everyone to know that this anon is a known troll from /usapol/ he will not read your replies, no matter how educational and correct they are. He repeats lies over and over. He also likes to say marx cheated on jenny, and was a supporter of settler colonialism. He likes to say there is no such thing as the proletariat. He gets drunk. He is petty bourgeois and hurt his ankle he says. Sometimes he uses the fact that he works in a steel factory as an appeal to his own authority.
I am by no means an expert on this battlefield, but please explain to me why this war has not resolved and the superior force prevailed?
>>2923277Theres a flood of FPV footage of equipment being whacked behind the supposed ukrainian /russian line of contact at the lyman direction which makes me think the claims of ukrainian progress there are either a bit overstated or the situation is extremely fluid and subject to a counter-counter offensive
>>2923066robotic VBIEDs (I guess not exactly an IED anymore if theyre being produced for this purpoes) seems to be the meta they're trying for right now. Disposable bombs hiding under a thicket of copecages to dislodge a dug in position.
Whatever happened to the turtle tank meta from last summer incidentally?
>>2923316unhinged and demented nafoids. I wonder if anyone's done a demographic study on these people. My mental image is of a mid 40s liberal who drank the muh values and muh democracy coolaid too much and is materially detached from the costs of reproducing society.
>>2923320Just people who need to be victims to explain away their personal failings. I’m sure all of them claim to have allergies, depression, social anxiety, etc and they’re attracted to NAFO because it’s an internet community where they get to feel brave like soldiers for a change, but they’re too pathetic to even keep up the pretence of “fighting on the internet front” as cringe as that already is. No, their victim complex MUST be a component of it and thus they end up performatively babbling nonsense while being bedridden from their internet shell shock.
>>2923291Russia went in with a force too small because bad intelligence, political miscalculation and widespread corruption in the military. They never had enough advanced airpower to achieve supremacy in the sky and they ran out of hardware like artillery shells to throw in mass at the problem before they could correct. Meanwhile Ukraine leveraged the west to get supplied and innovated enough with drones and shit to neutralize the Russian fleet, hamper its logistics and strike strategically the economy of Russia which was not doing so good in the first place because of sky high military spending and sanctions. Russia can't mobilize because its state is fragile to public opinion and now it's kind of too late anyways because they would struggle to supply more troops in the battlefield with drones threatening supply lines so we're stuck until Ukraine yields or Russia gets couped
Russia shut the bed. You can't spend trillions on nukes, and when time comes, pussy out. Otherwise those trillions could had been spent in real army. If you are serious about defence, you drop a few, you don't even need to hit cities, and let your enemy know he will not survive this.
They fucked up so massively nobody takes Russia serious now.
>>2922960I've seen stuff posted on leftypol before about it, just didn't save it
>>2922961The problem is RT etc is blocked in my shitty country lol.
>>2922972I'm more asking about people saying 'Ukraine broke Minsk II and Russia tried to abide by it', I believed you guys, you wouldn't just lie to me, would you? Have I fallen for disinfo just like our Reichskommisars say?
>>2923338Has the USA invaded/bombed Russia? No? Then the nuclear program worked
>>2923320>>2923324Yeah, 40+ guys who live "normal" lives and experience ennui, so they develop an image of the war as a kind of morally highly-charged vicarious fantasy alternative world or massively-mulitplayer online game. There's also the kind of person (not them though) who actually goes to volunteer to fight because they think the war is some kind of concentrated realness in contrast to the fake world they came from. Either way it's delusional.
>>2923330The other thing I expect (just an opinion) is more and more passive behavior. After a certain point when people lose confidence in Putin then the society simply stops responding to the government's efforts to get them to serve the war effort. People just don't put their backs into it so much. Which doesn't mean the Russian army collapses. The front line is so heavily mined and the Ukrainian military so short of troops that their own counter-offensives have been limited, a few small towns, anyways. But it just makes any decisive conclusion from the Russian side harder and harder.
And BTW, a Russian victory was initially defined as something different than it is today. The Z gang will try to bamboozle people and create a blurry definition of what winning is, but they had much higher aspirations in the beginning when NATO flags captured in battle would be thrown down on Red Square and the Ukronazis would get fully kicked. The whole thing would've wrapped up once and for all. I watched Russell Bentley. They would've been very surprised a few years ago if they were told however that this entire story was hatched solely to recapture the Donetsk and Luhansk regions and it would still be going on 1,700 days later. You can still make a small group of fanatics still believe in this cause and stick with it, and you can make a large number of people believe in that for a short time, but you can't make a large number of people believe in that forever.
>>2923277first social media counteroffensive
>>2923351Just goes to show how economically illiterate the CIA is.
The USSR didn't die because its economy "collapsed", it died because people stopped believing in it when gorby's perestroika resulted in empty shelves and incompetent management.
>>2923316you cant possibly complain about NAFO when the average zigger lib here is a blood cultist spectacle brained retard that was jerking off to videos of cities being bombed just last week
>>2923376False. I wasn't here last week :^)
>>2923376Projection. NAFOids ITT have an obsession with proving Ukrainian attacks aren’t small, smokey fires by endlessly posting small, smokey fires.
If they changed tact and claimed it was death by a thousand pin pricks, I could respect that more, but as it stands it’s them openly salivating at the prospect of Russian civilians imminently suffering from the collapse of their country with 1990s x 1000 theatrics after every single small, smokey fire
>>2923371>The USSR didn't die because its economy collapsed, it died because its economy collapsedinsightful
>>2923098What argument? That Russia is "intrinsically good"? That Ukraine and Belarus would welcome their own annexation and absorption into Russia? That "ten trillion people dying" is alright with him as long as Russia wins because the war is against "balkanization"? Those are not arguments. Those are groundless claims made up by a retard farming views for twitch/youtube/kick/whatever video platform he's on, and automatically disproven by anyone paying even the slightest amount of attention to reality.
What if I told you that Lukashenko refused to recognize the initial takeover of Crimea back in 2014 because he was scared Russia would try to annex Belarus right after finishing with Ukraine, and that to this day there is still great uneasiness within the Belarusian government over Russia's ambitions? Haz doesn't even fucking understand the Belarusian-Russian relationship yet he thinks because he livestreams and speaks in front of a camera he is automatically qualified to commentate on shit he doesn't even understand.
Haz possesses no historical knowledge of the region and fails to perform even elementary research. He just spouts off his retarded talking points because that's what he's being paid to do.
>>2923463>What if I told you that Lukashenko refused to recognize the initial takeover of Crimea back in 2014 because he was scared Russia would try to annex Belarus right after finishing with UkraineYou haven’t proven that was the motivation, Belarus’ motivation may have simply been having no real reason to give the West further cause to target them with more sanctions and/or increase efforts to enact a colour revolution.
>>2923463>to this day there is still great uneasiness within the Belarusian government over Russia's ambitionsgood to know the Belarusians aren't naive
This is stupid, Belarus now has Russian nuclear weapons on their territory. That’s a bit of a hit to their sovereignty, albeit presumably preferable to the alternative of a NATO invasion of Belarus to divert Russian military supplies away from Ukraine.
If this was such a concern for Belarusians in Belarus, surely we’d expect to see frequent protests against the deployment of Russian nuclear weapons?
>>2923435>Projection. NAFOids ITT have an obsession with proving Ukrainian attacks aren’t small, smokey fires by endlessly posting small, smokey fires.There was a video where a a Ukrainian drone was shot down around probably Moscow. As it hit the ground it didn't really explode or hit any building, but it burst into a fire of plume of black thick smoke. They are probably loading the some drones with bitumen and heavy oils and other dirty fuels, so that every such drone is a "hit" even when shot down and useful for the for the skyline moneyshot.
Kinda reminds me when Mossad agents burned car tires in Teheran to stoke panic when the first clashes started with US and Israel.
>>2923532"bitumen loaded drones" lol there might be a shortage of fuel in Russia because of the smokey fires but the copium supply sure is fine
>>2923536I mean both sides already use decoys in drone strikes.
>>2923552Thanks, that's it. I couldn't find it myself. No normal car or aviation fuel burns like that methinks.
>>2923556Nah and even if it did, these drones would be running on empty by the time they reach Moscow in any case. Whether they actually are flying all the way from Ukraine, or launched out the back of a civilian lorry nearer to Moscow, it’d be dumb to have that much fuel in the tank left.
>>2923485Didn't belarus recently pass a law saying that citizens of either state could be elected to the government
>>2923445theres a difference between self-inflicted econ retardmaxing vs an actual sraffian failure to produce commodities because precursors are clogged
>>2923657Except the perestroika was born from necessity and widely supported as the economy was in a slump since Brezhnev! and his clique of conservatards did their coup. There was only so much stagnation and structural issues the USSR could accumulate before failing. Gorbachev may have been retarded but something had to be done in any case to try to save the union
>>2923552damn, actually never noticed this. lol, they are that petty that they fill their drones with some dirty fuel so it looks nice for the cameras, fucking pathetic
>>2923753Reform was necessary, but lobotomizing the highly integrated and organized sectors of the economy first before reforming the agricultural sector where organizational needs are lower allowing for decentralized capital accumulation was braindead.
There's a reason Deng's reforms started on the farms and then used that capital accumulation to kickstart the first factories in the SOEs, whilst never letting go of the deeply vertically integrated sectors of the "commanding heights" of the economy.
>>2923795What a shitty system that was that let Perestroika destroyed it… really makes you ponder
>>2923376What's wrong with bombing cities?
>>2923167Pretty sure they want a global empire ruled by philosopher kings.
>>2923828Don't try to run a planned command economy on everything before you have the means of production ready to do it? Exactly like any sane reading of Das Kapital would lead you to conclude?
I still don't know who in the CPSU decided markets==capitalism.
>>2923316by the way, the guy deleted his account right after the community note 😄😄😄
>>2923868Deep down everybody wants an autocrat who thinks just like them or is them.
>>2923872>>2923828your tirade against planned economies doesnt work
>>2923872>I still don't know who in the CPSU decided markets==capitalism.That would be Khrushchev, the ultra left Trotskyist sympathizer who abolished Stalin's concessions to the private sector and who tried to reach full Communism in 10 years and failed immediately.
Feel like when talking about the “stagnation era” people forget that the 1970s weren’t a particularly good time economically in the West either. It’s treated as a uniquely Soviet issue, despite the “stagnation era” in the USSR being remembered as quite a bit more comfortable than how Westerners recall the 1970s.
The truly retarded thing about Perestroika/Glasnost is it’s inspired by a Western solution to a problem the USSR didn’t suffer from, stagnation from a global (mostly capitalist) economy being in the toilet isn’t really cause for giving neolibs the reins in the Kremlin as was happening in London and Washington which resulted in Gorby’s BFFs.
>>2924096>Feel like when talking about the “stagnation era” people forget that the 1970s weren’t a particularly good time economically in the West either. It’s treated as a uniquely Soviet issue, despite the “stagnation era” in the USSR being remembered as quite a bit more comfortable than how Westerners recall the 1970s.Ok yeah, I'm with you.
>The truly retarded thing about Perestroika/Glasnost is it’s inspired by a Western solution to a problem the USSR didn’t suffer from, stagnation from a global (mostly capitalist) economy being in the toilet isn’t really cause for giving neolibs the reins in the Kremlin as was happening in London and Washington which resulted in Gorby’s BFFs.Nah dog, the Soviet Union's disintegration is the greatest of history like Putin says. But you have to concede it was all caused by internal failers. "The copied the West!" It just nothing will ever justify it.
>>2924099>greatest of history like Putin says. Greatest *tragedy
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna7632057>“First and foremost it is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century,” Putin said. “As for the Russian people, it became a genuine tragedy. Tens of millions of our fellow citizens and countrymen found themselves beyond the fringes of Russian territory. >>2924099Nah counter-revolutionaries IMO were just out to copy the West wholesale. The same people who pushed for liberalisation then went on to reform Russia as though the Whites won the Civil War and invited the West (who happened to be neolibs by that time) to completely design their economy and, for a very short while, their governance structure before agreeing with Yeltsin that actually there can be too much democracy.
Everything from 1985 onwards was just about Whites getting a do-over and trying to essentially pick up the timeline as though it’s still 1917, there hadn’t been a Cold War, Russia is still unindustrialised, the Tsar has just been removed so any amount of democracy (including not very much at all) is an improvement and that all means Russia is ripe for the West to invest in, grow and welcome as a fellow European power.
>>2924103Putin knew what American investors like to hear.
>>2924105>Putin know what people like to hearwell…. I'm still rooting for the USSR 2.0
>>2924104>America will keep on living because people would fight die to protect it.Americans repeatedly vote for political slogans like “Change” and “Make America Great Again”, the difference for the US isn’t the will of the people for a complete change of pace, that desire is expressed daily, it’s that those slogans are entirely empty and there is no one in the US government who is secretly trying to instigate change for their own benefit.
The US doesn’t consider its politicians trading with its inside knowledge to be the crime of insider trading, thus it’s all but guaranteed that they will become rich and this will be considered fair. You literally couldn’t ask for more as a liberal.
>>2924104>>2924106I mean, can't really fathom how this thing went on for decades yet nobody really cared at the end. I met one guy from an SSR, he only had positive things to say and he spoke Russian and I guess was a russophile you could say. Actually I met this other lady from an SSR she was also bragging about how back in the USSR she was engineer(and how they uplifted woman and the other guy told me the same about his mom), and now she was just a bailsbondslady.
>>2924106No no, I was explicit in what I said
>Putin knew what American investors like to hear. >>2924109well…. I'm still rooting for the USSR 2.0
>>2924108It’s not true that nobody cared, masses of people protested against it. There was a serious concern in the 1990s (in Russia at least) that people wanted to restore the Communist Party to power.
That being said people weren’t quite as romantic about a civil war to restore the good old days as Americans are, I’ve been told by people who were there at the time that they genuinely feared a nuclear civil war. Unfortunately a deterrent once previously against imperialists, then became a bourgeois deterrent against justice.
>>29241093rd world liberalism enjoyer.
>>2924128I do enjoy the fact that Putin then cucked said investors as soon as he became president and therefore became a Bond villain in the West.
>>2924109He's been keeping up the act for pretty long now. Putin must be a great actor
>>2924149Hardly, the KPRF are the second most voted party in Russia whereas American investors expect for all Communists to be thrown out of helicopters.
>>2924530why is Britain so butthurt about Russia compared to literally any other european country. they seem to pump out a lot of seethe.
or is it just my bias because i can only read English and in fact other European nations news is also equally butthurt.
>>2924537It's just desperate propaganda to remilitarise.
>>2924067Its not against planned economies - the prc economy is deeply planned from 1978 to the present day. Its about the resolution and detail of the planning - are we doing planning down to every single shoe that gets made? Because if so the coordination technology needs to be much better than was available to gosplan.
>>2924530>evilBold words from the torygraph. I say we hang anyone who supported the televised genocide before we treat the UK as a serious country again.
>>2924105Don't waste breath, don't spare time. He's probably the same bot that comes in here to post b8 engagement.
It doesn't matter how you explain that to him.
It's like radlibs when they are explained that Stalin was just a man of his time when he decided to roll back gay rights, when the US until, very recently, through various states (state sodomy laws) was illegal to be gay.
90s Putin was a man of his time.
>>2924625>90s Putin was a man of his time.Great. So was everyone else.
>>2924625>90s Putin was a man of his time.Anti-communist neoliberal and hand picked successor of Yeltsin? What has changed since then? Imagine calling anyone else radlib and supporting this man.
>>2924530I think its just nationalist brainworms
>>2924639I don't waste time on online discussions accusing george washington of this and that. though I 100% would laugh at someone comparing him with Marx.
neoliberal isn't a word worth for you to debate, untasteful troll. you don't know what a neoliberal is, even if he were to privatize your anus for some corpo pig exclusive use and exploitation.
Ukraine tells South Korea: “Know your place and GIVAS!“
>>2924668Imagine being a rightist russian lmao
>>2924660But for real, anti-campists are going extinct when Ukraine’s aggressive arrogance is kicked into maximum overdrive after this conflict is over. The biggest Z you’re going to see after that point is the one in “zrada”
>>2924668He was one of those "voenkors" who screamed loudest about every Ukrainian internet counteroffensiyv
>>2924707>British Forces Broadcasting ServiceOof.
>Used ground drones to trick the Russians into thinking there’s a larger force advancingSo how do they keep the territory if there actually isn’t that many of them?
>Putin in his bunkerLmao
>rigging a Soviet-era BTR with ancient anti-tank mines and modifying it with expensive robotics to remotely drive it into Russian defences, ISIS-style>3D animation of it being loaded up and driven over dragons teeth and exploding, suddenly becoming brief clip of it actually exploding somewhere of no importanceThat was a lot of effort to recycle a video of a BTR driving over an anti-tank mine as proof of Ukraine successfully employing Islamist militia tactics.
>Like Kursk it complicates logisticsAmazing that failing to capture territory in Kursk even gets mentioned anymore, let alone in the context of Ukrainian successes.
>>2924668>we are the new elite of the countryZigger forgot he is just a zigger and not a cucktinite piglet eating the budget. Fuckin retard thought he can encroach on the oligarchs' domain. Ziggers never learn. Socialism was tried in the wrong place.
>>2924725>Socialism was tried in the wrong place.By all means feel free to try in the correct place.
>>2924736You cannot "try" socialism in the "correct place". You need to get the whole world to implement socialism. This is basic Marxism. Read Bordiga and stop pointing to failed capitalist reactions like the USSR and China as examples of "socialism".
>>2924746>bordigaTroll confirmed and opinions discarded
>>2924707wait a minute, i remember when russians started using t54 suicide tanks filled with explosives to breach into gaps of ukrainian defenses, the ukrops ridiculed it for being "primitive" and now they are literally doing the same thing? pathetic
>>2924668>>2924707also samefagging nafoid
>>2924858It's a Long Jeanne Silver reference!
>>2924860drones and miniaturization means that inside a century armies will just be grey go nanobots
>>2924861*grey goo nanobots
>>2924570>Its not against planned economies - the prc economy is deeply planned from 1978 to the present day. Its about the resolution and detail of the planning - are we doing planning down to every single shoe that gets made? Because if so the coordination technology needs to be much better than was available to gosplan.Engels made the same point when shitting on the bourgeois socialist Rodbertus:
<Only through the undervaluation or overvaluation of products is it forcibly brought home to the individual commodity producers what society requires or does not require and in what amounts. But it is precisely this sole regulator that the utopia advocated by Rodbertus among others wishes to abolish. And if we then ask what guarantee we have that necessary quantity and not more of each product will be produced, that we shall not go hungry in regard to corn and meat while we are choked in beet sugar and drowned in potato spirit, that we shall not lack trousers to cover our nakedness while trouser buttons flood us by the million – Rodbertus triumphantly shows us his splendid calculation, according to which the correct certificate has been handed out for every superfluous pound of sugar, for every unsold barrel of spirit, for every unusable trouser button, a calculation which “works out” exactly, and according to which “all claims will be satisfied and the liquidation correctly brought about. […] And now consider the naiveté with which Rodbertus would abolish industrial and commercial crises by means of his utopia. As soon as the production of commodities has assumed world market dimensions, the evening-out between the individual producers who produce for private account and the market for which they produce, which in respect of quantity and quality of demand is more or less unknown to them, is established by means of a storm on the world market, by a commercial crisis. If now competition is to be forbidden to make the individual producers aware, by a rise or fall in prices, how the world market stands, then they are completely blindfolded. To institute the production of commodities in such a fashion that the producers can no longer learn anything about the state of the market for which they are producing – that indeed is a cure for the crisis disease which could make Dr. Eisenbart envious of Rodbertus. - Friedrich Engels, Preface to Poverty of Philosophy, First German Edition, 1885
>>2924864>read this bullshit defending commodity productionI don't give a single fuck about anti-Communist Dengist class collaborationists like Engels. When Communism comes we're going to burn you alive with your Labubus.
>>2924746>the guys rambling about "ziggers" turn out to be an absolute retardunsurprising
Status status?
>who is coping?
>who is seething.
>who is WINNING?
>>2924860>Going head onNGMI anyway
>>2924942What the fuck is the point of armor at all in our drone age?
>>2924957Big boolet. The point of tanks is to provide mobile firepower, the armour is there first and foremost just to protect the crew from small arms fire and shrapnel while moving a cannon around the battlefield. Shrugging off anti-tank munitions is a different concern all together, a mitigation against something that exists for the purpose of destroying tanks.
FPV drones are just the modern equivalent to the Panzerfaust ultimately.
>>2924864The fucking florid prose of the 1800s is intolerable. Your sentence should have 2 or 3 clauses max - not 5 nested clauses and random illustrative anecdotes sprinkled. This is what made kapital a slog as well ffs.
>>2925196
>how the war has stalled
Lies, Ukraine is about to collapse any minute now and new massive super Russian offensive will reach Poland soon.
Just look at these pictures of nazis, that video of busification and this swentr article on how everything goes according to plan. Also, don't forget Trump is our guy.
>>2925233>swentr articleDon't you mean SIMPlicius substack? That retard got reposted in these threads so many times that I think he must have personal access to Cucktin's cuck chair or something.
>>2925233>>2925237Reminder that this sarcasm depends on accepting that all in Ukraine is worth sacrificing to keep Zelensky as president.
>>2925233Is Ukraine really advancing now with blistering speed? has the tide turned. Or is this just ukie and nafo cope like it was the N:th times before
>>2925248What is certain is that Russians are stuck and Ukraine didn't collapse as fast as they have hoped by looking at what happened to the afghan army…
>>2925275arr asian rook same
>>2924746name one modern-day alive leader that you don't go around publicly criticizing that you would love to succeed. I'll wait 💅💅💅
>>2925342Wow dude you owned him so much by pointing out he doesn't worship any bourgeois executive
https://imgur.com/a/yU3T2r5latest events in ukraine
no idea why leftypol refuse the upload, its under the limit stated in the faq but it still says file too big
>>2925418Whoa uyghur, do you expect me to read all that shit?
>>2925391nothing that challenges the world status quo? gotcha. you prefer to hold on to dead people that doesn't threat the status quo.
>>2925199Read more you brainlet
>>2925523<Only through the undervaluation or overvaluation of products is it forcibly brought home to the individual commodity producers what society requires or does not require and in what amounts. But it is precisely this sole regulator that the utopia advocated by Rodbertus among others wishes to abolish.
>price signals indicate shortages/surpluses and their magnitude. Rodbertus wishes to abolish them.Why small sentence when florid prose testing your perspicacity and exemplyifying your superior vocabulary, and thus by objective inference, your superior intellect, can be demonstrated?
>>2925516Dead people, at least those who died from assassinations or coups, tend to be those who threaten the status quo thobeit.
>>2925639Looks more like a humiliation ritual. When most recruits in Ukraine get a month of training they really should use it for something more productive.
>>2925680yiiiuuup, that’s the level of reactionary trolls we’re dealing with: people waiting for zombies to claw out of their graves and start the revolution. because I don't see how else dead people is a threat to the status quo beyond people actually threatening the status quo
>inb4 it isn't (>>2925677)the truck loaded with pigs called nato/eu screeching at every turn and stop says otherwise.
>>2925685If Prigozhin wasn't a threat he would still be alive today.
>>2925705True, Putin is alive because he doesn't rock the boat, just running around in donbass since 2014 for the eternal svo
Who is winning the war so far?
>>2925727Winning: China and USA
Losing: Ukraine, Russia, EU
>>2925762>USA is winningWhat part of USA is winning, it's people or it's bourgeoisie?
>>2925780both. amerikkkans are feasting off the EU's deindustrializtion and economic collapse. the only reason they don't realize it is because the iran war fucked up gas prices so much they can't feel the prosperity anymore.
>>2925705Leaving a mutineer military leader alive and not face any punishment is a bad practice and only encourages such behavior in the future. He even returned from exile to Russia on his own.
>>2925811>amerikkkans are feastingThey are poorer than European, on average
>Trump: no more small smokey fires, especially ones that damages US owned assets because muh diesel
>Zelensky: fuck you no one tells me what to do
>Trump: oh okay then I’ll keep supporting you doing anything then
Yeah the Cum Trumpster is really making the US look like it’s in the driving seat rather than Ukraine.
>>2925939Kinda pathetic that ziggers expect trump to save them.
>>2925942Where was that said? Trump made a demand to Ukraine, got told to go fuck himself without consequence, now it looks like Zelensky is more important than the President of the United States.
If MAGA was anti-war on the basis that Biden was humiliating the country by seemingly letting Zelensky drive (and they were), then the Trumpster has doubly humiliated the US by making it obvious that so long as Russian soldiers are dying then Zelensky is in fact in the driving seat.
>>2925939based zelensky tbh. if only cucktin demonstrated such firm resolve against trump instead of constantly giving him blowjobs.
>>2925991>basedBased my ass. Zelensky obviously couldn't give less of an ass about his country's sovereignty, longevity, or solvency beyond this war. He's clearly doing everything to protect his political image and enable his cronies to make off like thieves. It's easy to look strong when you're getting bailed out no matter what and there are no real consequences to corruption.
>>2925275To be fair, the conversation apparently started about Ukrainians/Ukraine being culpable as part of the Soviet Union for taking part in the Korean War or something like that.
>>2925991>Homoeroticism in lieu of actual examples of your pointDing ding goes the cliche bell
Russia participates in peace talks whenever they’re requested, because the flaw in those peace talks becomes obvious as soon as they’re had. The West “wants peace” like a crack addict wants to kick their addiction. It costs a lot of money, their populations were explicitly against more forever wars, weapons are being expended for which the industry to replace them no longer exists, being cut off from a major energy provider for the benefit of a corrupt state, etc BUT they just can’t just walk away from doing damage to Russia, it’s a once in a century opportunity, so they’ve got to make the most of for while it’s not going nuclear. It’s not a pretty sight for anyone who isn’t bound and gagged by their own Russophobia.
Russia showing up for peace talks requested by the West who ironically very clearly doesn’t want them is an act against Russophobia. Russia is presented in the extreme as an authoritarian state, led by a mad man dictator, who cannot understand concepts like diplomacy and attacks Ukraine out of hatred of democracy, basically the kind of state that would never even show up to peace talks if offered.
Uh-oh, they showed up and appear like they’re earnest in seeking a solution, errr flip the script! Now Russia is the other extreme, run by a cuck, they’re pussies for showing up to peace talks, they’re sucking America’s cock, etc, etc meanwhile people concerns about forever wars and economic collapse goes on presumably less impressed by this script flip than our resident cucktin posters are.
>>2926321Wonder how united russia zigger libs will spin that
>>2926331Ziggers? Surely it’s anti-campists who never stop spinning between the KPRF being controlled opposition who never disagree with the Kremlin and their arrests for disagreeing with the Kremlin as proof of Russia being the most anti-communist state in Eurasia.
>>2926340Didn't get the information package from the Kremlin yet I see
>>2926342Just had to reply with something, didn’t you? Lmao
How will the eternal science of Yeltsinism-Putinism deal with the Siberian plague, what does it mean for the svo??
>>2926419I genuinely hadn’t heard anything about a plague in Siberia (other than an increase in the bear population). But I’ve just seen it come up on Xitter now, lots of variation on the story but one common conclusion
>BAN ALL AIR TRAFFIC TO RUSSIA NOW!which I’m pretty sure was Zelensky’s plan from a month ago.
>>2926530Its circling in western news. Even if its real its a nothingburger because plague is easily treatable by modern antibiotics because its bacterial and not a virus.
>>2926541I’m sure it’s just le hybrid warfare and trying to create hysteria, but this is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. Eventually we’re going to get to unironic reporting entertaining the possibility that Putin is a lizard and the conspiracy theorists were right that lizard people walk among us.
>>2926532Jacob Rees-Mogg (arch-Tory power politics guy that he is) had an interesting point on Tucker Carlson's show that nuclear weapons alone are not actually a deterrent as much as people think, you also need credible conventional forces. Like hypothetically, if Russia attacked the U.K. in some kind of way, the response would not be for the U.K. to launch its nuclear weapons at Russia, because most likely Russia would not nuke the U.K. but would do something else like sink a warship with a torpedo. But the U.K. would be far more likely to use nukes if the situation was really dire and they were facing a full-on conventional invasion in this sci-fi scenario or a nuclear attack. Anyways, Putin has alluded to Russia's nuclear weapons, but Ukraine attacks Russia anyways with assistance from the Western countries, but he's not going to nuke London (because Russia would also get nuked), and Ukraine can do that despite Russia having nuclear weapons because their conventional forces are not so strong as to force or otherwise deter Ukraine from stopping.
>>2926569I’ve not watched the interview yet, but if that is his reasoning then it’s flawed because most fears about nuclear war breaking out is over a misunderstanding rather than destroying the entire planet ever being worthwhile (especially when there’s always people willing to accept a new status quo after defeat).
The reason this hasn’t gone nuclear is because NATO’s expansion and aggressive posture towards Russia has developed over the past 30+ years which makes it a known quantity that is less likely to be misunderstood. On the contrary, because Russia hasn’t hitherto expanded, or helped other countries to attack NATO states, or has a general narrative that one day the West will collapse and disappear into irrelevance anyway and actions should therefore be taken to speed that up, etc, Russia suddenly sinking a British (nuclear armed) submarine would come as a massive shock to London and could entirely be misunderstood as the opening gambit for a potentially nuclear war.
Basically the West trying to “discretely” speed up Russia’s “inevitable” collapse isn’t anything new, that’s been the day-to-day reality for the Russian state for about three decades. Perhaps how indiscreet that has become via Ukraine is a shock, but the West’s motives and goals are anything but.
That’s why we’re not all dead already, but it sounds like Rees-Mogg is just playing the “all’s fair in love and war” card and pretending like a Trident sub being sunk by the Russians would be accepted as Russia accepts NATO doing all but pressing the launch button for an attack on Russian naval assets.
>>2924884>Who is copingEveryone
>Who is seethingEveryone
>Who is WINNING?The bourgeoisie
>>2922695>Russia is a reflection of the soul of humanity>If you're against Russia, you hate humanity. Russia cannot be evil.>Russia is intrinsically good. Doesn't even matter who's in charge. >civilizational stateBiggest bangers since two holes theory
>if Russia's not successful, they will be condemning themselves and the people o Ukraine and the people of Belarus to decades, maybe even a century, of conflict and bloodshed and suffering and misery.Like what's happening already?
>So, this is why I support Russia always. Doesn't matter what the politics are actually in terms of who's in power. So what does this have to do with class conflict?
>>2926589And I guess that’s why he is all for attacking Russia with British made weapons bought with British money, that if the shoe was on the other foot then of course London wouldn’t overreact either.
The TL;DR is the conflict is decades old and it’s already established that NATO wants 1991 to happen again while Russia does not want this to happen, neither side needs to use nuclear weapons to achieve their goals. Russia overturning that established status quo and putting NATO on the defensive would be ripe with opportunities for the misunderstandings people actually fear would result in launching nukes.
>>2925939Well, it was obvious that trump is the one making the shots there. he simply plays dumb. 'muh self-determination' card plaid here is not even entertaining, when they have decisively destroyed entire states countless of times.
In any case, it was obvious he wasn't going to let Russia have the indisputable win in this conflict in peace.
>>2926632Of course, but I think it is true that Zelensky is completely untouchable for while he is the lynchpin that keeps the conflict going at Ukraine’s sacrifice, while it is still technically possible (and likely) for Trump to be impeached if he did for some reason decide that Zelensky being a mouthy cunt warranted greater consequences than just performatively telling him off on camera once.
>>2926644Yeah. They can't allow the ukrainian state to suffer a political crisis, which could lead to a collapse. This is also part of why they are aiding economically so much that government.. That's why zelya not only feels untouchable and that's why so many corruption scandals around him are exposed.
Look at the morons coming here to slander Russia because some kids with red slogans were arrested, as if the Russian state will allow jeopardize itself while the nazi counterpart is kept artificially alive precisely to avoid the same thing.
>>2925708Putin is alive because the Russian state wants him so. Do you seriously believe if it weren't for the nukes the US wouldn't have him killed?
lol, lmao even.
>>2926661Russian generals constantly get assassinated by Ukraine. If America wanted to they could also get Putin. They're keeping him alive because he is a weak cuck and the person who replaces him might actually be a threat.
Also:
>The russian state wants him aliveNo, the Russian oligarchy wants him alive.
>>2926663Maduro successfully cucked America multiple times so they attacked him. That's proof Maduro was an actual threat in comparison to Putin.
possible happening?
>Alleged Mutiny Reported in Ukraine
>Kyiv, Ukraine — Reports are emerging of an alleged mutiny involving Ukrainian military personnel, though authorities have not confirmed the claims.
>Unverified reports suggest several units may have refused orders amid growing tensions within the armed forces. Ukrainian officials have declined to comment, while military sources insist the situation remains under control.
>Further details are expected as authorities investigate the allegations.
>>2926667Vague ass article
>>2926666two things remarkable about your post:
- being dumb
- the quads get.
anything else 🚮
>>2926666>the state and the bourgeoisie are separate entities Deary me.
>If America wanted to they could also get Putin.Oh deary me.
>>2926655Well their flip flopping on whether the KPRF is controlled opposition or not is always from angles that are most convenient for the West, surprisingly for anti-campists.
>KPRF is controlled opposition<If they were true communists then they’d rise up and provide the political instability that western imperialists seek>KPRF is not controlled opposition<Look at the arrests! That would never happen to any one of Europe’s communist parties that number 16 members a piece and all on the verge of splitting! The West must win so that communists can campaign freely as the second largest party! >>2926677They want to hold on to dead people as a threat to the global status quo. They can't accept that the truck full of pigs* named the neoliberal establishment (us/nato/eu), with its fascistic roots and filo-fascist members, are screeching at every turn, at every stop, and at every start, when they ride Russia's road, it's a undeniable sign of threat to the global status quo.
Nukes? nah,
>Putin plays along, he doesn't need them, because they don't do anything!>H-h-he never rolled back neoliberalism, reeeeeInsane people, I swear.
Anyway, some UKR_Leaks (EN)
>Poland should receive a detailed report from Ukraine regarding the fate of the billions of euros and military equipment transferred to it, stated former Polish Prime Minister Leszek Miller.
<No one asks what happened to the billions of euros we handed over. Mr. Zelensky simply comes along and says 'give,' and we give, he said.
>Miller emphasized that if Warsaw does not receive a "detailed report" on the fate of the funds and equipment, support for Kiev "should be suspended."
>Ukrainian Foreign Minister Sybiga stated that four truce options are currently being considered.
<We have four proposals. India's proposal is the most comprehensive. We are open to an energy and Black Sea truce, but only in that combination, he added.
I haven't heard or read about that proposal. What does it include? How does it even work?
>>2926532>Putin's threats no longer workWell, if they didn't NATO could have just directly attacked them instead of hiding behind Ukkkraine
>>2926764nato is bombing moscow every week though
>>2926666This, it's funny because Russia can't even zerg rush since Kyiv kill the overlords whenever it wants
>>2926682only if they get killed and overthrow Putin is that they are not fake opposition!
Same principle, were to apply to people ITT, I would start calling them fake communists those ITT.
>>2926765Well the indiscretion is at least costing NATO more than covertly funding some NGOs. One of the intended results of NATO expansionism is raising Russia's defence spending anyway (similar to the Strategic Defense Initiative of the 80s), what's unintended is NATO also having to spend billions for this expansion but that's the outcome of Russia pushing back.
Reagan's "Star Wars" may have been utter bollocks, but the Ukrainian elite's new Spanish villas are very real and they are surprisingly expensive.
>>2926785The zerg rush accusation depends on concurrently accusing Russia of having incompetent military leadership, you've reached retardation levels that shouldn't be possible.
>>2926849the zerg rush recommendation depends solely on the knowledge what russians are good for
wagner pcm utilized it and that was the last time russian forces advanced at a fast pace
>>2926532Russia/Ukraine and Iran/Israel and the attempted oil blockade of China all but prove the old conspiracy that nukes either aren't real or aren't as powerful as portrayed in propaganda, maybe hardly better than MOABs. The line in the Cold War was that you could never attack a nuclear power because it'd be over, so you have to do proxy wars. Now everyone admits yeah, you can just attack them, or blockade them (an act of war), it's fine.
>>2927010Or it proves that they are at least as strong than in propaganda, so you can afford to actually use them on another country right at your borders without irradiating yourself for the next 20 years
People really lack a sense of scale if they think nuclear weapons are deterrence against any attack or aggression, rather than something that deters specifically WW3.
Like I can’t comprehend the Spurdo mindset that thinks a handful of drones, launched by proxy, landing on the outskirts of Moscow to cause economic damage, is comparable to NATO mobilising millions for an invasion of Russia and both therefore equally warrant crossing the nuclear Rubicon.
But of course that is dangerous in the sense that people can (and have) become deluded in believing that because attacks which are intended to be merely nuisances or embarrassing for Russia haven’t resulted in us using bottle caps for currency, then surely WW3 is actually on the table and we can safely start talking about mass mobilisation to “finish Russia off” and be back in time for Christmas.
But short of Russia preemptively ending the world just to prove a point, what can be done to clear up such delusions? To my point earlier, Russia flipping 30 years of its defensive stance to start attacking NATO’s Estonian military bases or sinking British subs and putting NATO on the defence, is precisely the circumstance that can be misunderstood as the start of WW3 and result in the end of the world by perceived retaliation.
I can only suspect this delusional spiral ends when NATO does something stupid and immediately scares themselves.
>>2927028>People really lack a sense of scale if they think nuclear weapons are deterrence against any attack or aggressionNorth Korea seems to think they're fine enough to block any war. Why are nukes not enough for Russia?
>>2927045but they are! difference is russia is the attacking side yet it carefully picks targets without nuclear capability
>>2927038>But short of Russia preemptively ending the world just to prove a point, what can be done to clear up such delusions? To my point earlier, Russia flipping 30 years of its defensive stance to start attacking NATO’s Estonian military bases or sinking British subs and putting NATO on the defence, is precisely the circumstance that can be misunderstood as the start of WW3 and result in the end of the world by perceived retaliation.you should definitely do that, nothing could make me happier
>>2927045because North Korea is not an imperialist state like Russia
>>2927045WW3 with Russia isn’t going to happen because of their nukes, the Korean War kicking off again isn’t going to happen because of their nukes, NATO trying to economically strangle the life out of both is currently happening despite their nukes.
What exactly was your point?
>>2927070a conflict with russia wouldn't be a third world war any more than invasion of afghanistan was a world war. for a world war you need world-wide alliances on both sides.
>>2927076Have we forgotten the term “Axis of Evil” already? Or “Beyond the Axis of Evil” or “CRINK: Evil Axis Boogaloo”?
>>2927095>Axis of Evilremind me what iran or nk were doing during invasion of iraq
or better yet explain who and why would step up for russia
>>2927135Being evil in an axial kind of way, it doesn’t really matter because it’s the West that convinces itself that there’s a strongly united alliance against them.
>>2927212cool. so which of those imagined axis of evil countries would have stuck up with russia in an eventual nato conflict nobilitating it to a world war status?
>>2927070>NATO trying to economically strangle the life out of both is currently happening despite their nukes.The sanctions on Russia only kicked in after Putin invaded, thobeit. If they hadn't the Russian economy would not have been placed under pressure. Also if your prime concern is economic sanctions, going to war only accelerates economic decline and technological regression due to the extra strain on the economy from increased military spending. A nation at peace being sanctioned can handle it better than a nation at war being sanctioned.
>>2927135>or better yet explain who and why would step up for russiaChina, a nato aligned russia/russia hostile to China would be a red line. it would probably start out as a sort of lend lease, not actual troops but that could change if the Nato gets actual involves
>going to war only accelerates economic decline and technological regression due to the extra strain on the economy from increased military spending. A nation at peace being sanctioned can handle it better than a nation at war being sanctioned.
Incorrect since a war economy, especially those practiced during WW2, can boost the economy massively, a big reason why Nazis lost was because they went into a war economy mode rather late. The issue arises after the war is over. As much as the cope news loves talking about an existing "war economy" in Russia, its not really true. Currently its economy function more in the style of a keynesian socdem one, a far cry from an actual planned war economy since that would entail curbing consumption. Your last sentence is disproven by the experience of Cuba and the DPRK. Cuba, at peace and sanctioned, struggling massively, DPRK on the other hand, also sanctioned and technically still at war, doing fine. In fact, DPRK should realistically be doing much worse since its relationship with most "developed" countries is so much worse than even Cubas.
>>2927248try again
china is dependent on trading with >the west moreover it would never under no circumstance endanger it's bottom line for anyone
>>2927271>try again china is dependent on trading with >the west moreover it would never under no circumstance endanger it's bottom line for anyoneno because the west would find any excuse to sanction China anyway and Chinas bottom line would be affected by a hostile Russia
>>2927045NK have massive conventional forces too. Its a deterrent against the US nuking/carpet bombing them
>>2927275like they do now?
>>2927405Keep in mind that the key reason liberals and western leftists despise X is because it’s no longer a safe space to cheer on Generalplan Ost 2
>>2927405what was the prompt?
>>2927405Prob a targeted prompt. The average grok's response is
Russia bad.
>>2927668Can't wait for Zelensky to pass this unilaterally with an executive order and for Russia's complaints to be revealed as the lies they are. Ukraine blocking itself from joining NATO only to have Russia continue to wage war against them proving that the Russians were lying all along would be hilarious.
>>2927671That was the primary requirement to
avoid open conflict.
Ukraine thinking they can opt for a ground war instead and then after 5 years of making postage stamps celebrating the car bombing of civilians, droning civilian infrastructure and even making threats to civil aviation, come back to the negotiating table fully expecting the same terms as 2022 is clearly funnier.
But I’m glad you’ve already prepared your response for the inevitable.
Oh boi I will be laffin when Ukraine shows up to negotiate their surrender from a position that is both delusional and would have made fighting pointless anyway!
>>2927671Russia can't accept this. Even if it isn't challenged today, another administration can declare it's void, and resume hostilities.
>>2927683It’s actually quite sad to consider that Ukraine made itself legally bound to join NATO or die trying in 2019, when Zelensky won the election on a campaign promise to restore peace.
Russia will launch the nukes before it admits defeat and lets itself be recolonised by western powers. Silly war with obvious outcome, do the western powers want nuclear war?
>>2927685Russia will annex half of Ukraine and the war will end in a wet brap as the bounties of the great pobeda will be a bunch of thirdie-tier blown up villages and some resources in Donbass
>>2927685the way war is going they have already lost. I don't think any of their allies (China, India, Brazil, etc.) appreciate their unhinginess. And they also remilitarized Europe and made them more fascistic.
the definition of being dumb:
Russia lost ✅
but Ukraine can't kick them out, and keep losing more ground every day: ✅
and since when europe de-militarized? for them to go to invade afghanistan, iraq, syria, and lybia, they had to be militarized.
Here in Russia people think that Russia lost the war. it is pointless and stupid. SMO achieved absolutely nothing. It wasn't Crimea part 2.
>The Ukrainian Cabinet plans to dismiss over 4,000 people as part of efforts to streamline and improve the efficiency of the state apparatus, Prime Minister Koretskyi stated.
>The "European Solidarity" party has expelled Aleksey Goncharenko* from its parliamentary faction for calling for the start of peace negotiations with Russia, the faction said in a statement.
>Statement:
<Let’s signal that we are ready to talk about neutrality. The terms can be negotiated. We will continue cooperating with NATO just as we do now. We will create a common European budget to fund our army. We will work on rearmament. But we need to talk, writes Goncharenko.
>>2927707Should have been called Sigma-Basedcom, then it’d be fine
>>2927699It's obvious that the poster was referring to degrees of militarization. One of the goals of the US in Ukraine and Iran is to cause enough trouble in Eurasia that the EU can go ahead in pursuing an Americanized budget and cut social spending for arms spending, while maintaining its dependence on US weapons and energy. That plan has worked amazingly well for now. The next step would be to blow up the EU from the inside or weaken it further by helping elect the faux-MAGA eurosceptics and scam artists like Weidel and Le Pen, which also seems to be going well as far-right parties are leading across the board, in part due to the economic turmoil imposed on Europe by the US harming the incumbent liberals. We're witnessing the Yeltsinification of Europe brought about by the convergence of the wills of a faction of Europorky, the US, and Russia. It's an interesting trainwreck.
>>2927706I can already see it on Xitter
>Erm ackshually the people voted for Zelensky, sooo why do other people get to disagree with him and slow down his decision making?I sincerely hope this conflict gets immediately forgotten by libs, because they’ve really pulled out all the stops to “prove” that the purest democracy is one which revolves around a single individual, for whom all is worth sacrificing, whose lies are but clever tricks to fool the enemy, whose ministers are fanatically loyal until corruption reveals their pro-Russian agenda, who can expect everyone to willingly lay down their lives to protect his mandate in perpetuity, etc
Like, I get libs are fucking stupid and their awareness of what a dictator is probably comes down to portraits of someone wearing a beret with sunglasses, but at what point do they even
start to flinch at what is deemed necessary to “protect democracy” in Ukraine?
>>2927713I am sorry but this is nothing but a speculative fiction based on wishful thinking. There is no empirical evidence of such happening ever. Even USA fiasco will dissipate after midterms. On the contrary, there are evidence of decade long actual fascist dictatorships forming in similar conditions that did not end in socialist revolutions but just fade into liberalism again.
Russian journalist Leonid Ragozin is getting kicked the fuck out of Latvia for not being pro-Ukraine enough, the irony of course is NAFOids gloating and telling him to enjoy the lack of free press in Russia.
>>2927748He wrote some stupid article for Jacobin recently. Editors forgot to fact check it for the fallacies about the billionaires mentioned in it. No surprise here.
>>2927713>One of the goals of the US in Ukraine and Iran is to cause enough trouble in Eurasia that the EU can go ahead in pursuing an Americanized budget and cut social spending for arms spending, while maintaining its dependence on US weapons and energy.But they have been cutting social expenditures since the fall of the USSR.
The point of the GINI values regressing across all neolib states to points of high inequality, since the 90s is that it's not speculation to argue whether it's Russia's fault, or Russia's miscalculation, or not that the SMO served to european bourgeoisie interests. Because it's not Russia's fault or Russia's miscalculation. You could argue they are using this towards more militarism or not, but the graphs tell the story that it's a mixed bag. Since the 90s, they reduced, after 2014, the 2% pledge, they have been pushing for it. But in both scenarios the SMO isn't exactly a decisive factor.
>>2927785Not saying it's Russia's fault per se, the poster above said that. They are one factor though. The SMO benefits American porky primarily and through that gives an opportunity for Euro-Atlanticist-Militarist porky and Right-Atlanticist-Comprador porky to renew militarization, open suppression of civil society elements they find uncomfortable and labor etc.
>>2927813Anon, the reality is not that the
SMO benefits American porkies, the reality is that the porkies benefit from an inactive, dull, propagandized and lenient population. That's it. They don't need an SMO to be reactionary. Their population will uncritically accept the Nayirah al-Sabahs, the Douma chemical attacks, the Saddam Hussein WMDs, the Maduro is a dictator and drug trafficker, and they will do nothing. Note that all my examples are fabrications, point being: They don't need actions, because they can invent them, because they know they get little to no push back.
>>2926591>Like what's happening already?You're so right it's natos entries' fault for resisting nato causing nato to attack them your sex trafficking has obviously made you so wise
>>2927231>The sanctions on Russia only kicked in after Putin invaded, thobeit.They happened after nato overthrew Ukraine’s government and empowered a government with genocidal intentions specifically for the purposes of waging war on Russia. The sanctions are a continuation of preexisting policy, not a reaction to Russia actions.
>>2927658It actually wasn't, I saw it reposted. No targeted bias in the prompt, Grok clearly had one of those glitches where she becomes self-aware for a microsecond.
>>2928033>sheWatch your pronouns. IT.
Now, jokes aside.
>No targeted bias in the promptCurious. Whenever I ask something like the state of Cuba or Venezuela services, salaries and problems, these ai never put sanctions as the underlying cause of the problems.
And if I ask to contextualize in the prompt sanctions, thy run to say it a 'narrative impulse by the government of (Cuba, Venezuela), while my big awesome chungus independent international experts point des-investment and lack of expertise, corruption and abandonment as the culprits' As if there aren't any independent international experts also pointing out that sanctions are the underlying cause.
Well, glitches in the matrix be welcomed.
>>2927785Easy for baltic microstates to do +1.9% increases to GDP since their GDP and military spending was so minuscule to begin with. Law of small numbers and all that.
>>2927777Based on what I’ve seen, it comes down to Ragozin suggesting (reasonably) that rhetoric which is aggressive towards Russians like calling them Orcs and Vatniks and shit plays into Putin’s claims of NATO’s hostile intention. That is apparently the reason why Baltoids claim he is a Russia agent, should be deported back to Russia and then thrown out of a window.
I've been wondering, what were the goals of the invasion, I never quite understood it, even after nearly 5 years
>>2928372It was about published slander regarding Usmanov and Fridman sanction lift. Rogozin wrote that Baltic states lifted sanctions on oligarchs while hypocritically keeps sanction on poor Russians. This statement wasn't only false but complete opposite of truth, because Baltic states not only individually instituted sanctions against them after the lift, but also tried to veto the lift in the European parliament.
>>2928375This war makes more sense if you look at it like a USSR civil war but with liberal governments on both sides.
>>2928377I’ve seen an article on Politico points to him speaking on the Grayzone podcast
>“They always consider themselves as the underdogs and as the side that is being under constant pressure from the West, encroaching on its sphere of influence, on its strategic interests. It compels them to respond to hybrid actions, to clandestine actions, to sort of invisible actions that change the landscape in the former Soviet Union,” added Ragozin, in remarks that stirred fury in Latvia.which if that is the case, then it’s essentially as I’ve read the situation on Xitter. He makes the case that decades of attacking Russia means you can’t Pikachu Face when Russia responds and Russians are unmoved by their responses, which rather than being a “no-duh” moment is treated as pro-Russian propaganda.
>>2928385Whatever the inner reason for deportation was, he made a mistake by lying as a journalist about some trivial topic with all the receipts on the table instead of writing something more ambiguous. He has only himself to blame for the deportation to Russia.
>>2928400It really doesn’t seem like it’s a factual error in one article that’s gotten him deported to mass applause.
He is a Russian dissident, clearly the expectation is for him to be as unfairly critical of Russia (and as unfairly uncritical of the West and Ukraine) as NATO’s most warmongering staff, anything less means he’s ackshually a Russian agent. Like I asked earlier, at what point to libs start flinching at all of this “protection” rather than cheering it on?
>>2928406Yeah the general sense in the comments is as I see now. Baltoids wanting to have their cake and eat it too, where the expectation is that Russians should just sorta like “get it” when they’re endlessly shitposting about how Russia is responsible for everything bad in the Baltics/the entire world, and if they don’t “just get it” then they must be either paid Russian agents or just useful idiots.
It’s obvious to them that it’s a bandwagon and you’re either on it or you’re off it.
>>2928415So as I said. They wanted to get rid of him long time ago and he has gifted them a justification to do so.
>>2928419They don’t need a reason when public support is there and seemingly Latvians were convinced they’re riddled with Kremlin agents and useful idiots well before the Jacobin article you’re for some reason fixated on.
I presume it’s because you feel that is one example where the accusation of journalistic malpractice is justified and the deportation therefore justified, but it’s obvious that you’re the only one who cares if this isn’t just mob justice. The mob seem pleased to just have gotten their way, regardless of why.
>>2928424So why didn't they deport him before? He only moved to Latvia in 2013 from Russia. What do you want from me even? To tell you some comforting lie?
>>2928428Because if you haven’t noticed, policies that the libs call authoritarianism elsewhere has also been on the rise recently. Frankly the more support Ukraine receives, the more Ukrainian Western states have become. You can’t expect to cheer on everything Ukraine does as heroic and/or justified and not have that change how people consider law and order at home.
It’s actually pretty fucking bleak how modern Ukraine resembles every bit of Western fearmongering about the USSR/Stalinism, but now the same liberals who peddled such myths about the USSR now praise the reality in Ukraine as admirable.
>>2928433What I am getting from you is a desire to find some evidence to support your viewpoint. So basically a confirmation bias. You don't want this to be a sketchy due process deportation. You want it to be some case of unlawful violation. Good luck finding that evidence, comrade!
>>2928444>comradeLmao why would just out yourself like that at the end?
Unless you can provide a specific link between the Jacobin article and the order for making Ragozin Persona Non Grata, then you’re just assuming that has relevance and not the years of documented seething at him and overwhelming celebration now.
>>2928448I think that Russian Federation is a hyper capitalist reactionary state. It is only useful as a tool against NATO imperialism. I don't share your fervor in defending Russia at every instance.
>Unless you provide…Just make your own shit up, "comrade"
>>2928456How am I defending Russia by defending one of its dissidents? I’m criticising Latvia, please try to understand the difference.
>Just make your own shit up, "comrade"So you don’t have a link between the article and the PNG order. Well the Politico article reports
>“Taking into account the information received today from the competent authorities, and after discussions with the Prime Minister and the Minister of the Interior, I have decided to initiate the process of adding another Russian citizen to Latvia’s list of personae non gratae,” said Riga’s Foreign Minister Baiba Braže.So maybe there is some more official documentation that provides a specific offence, but at least for the public announcement it was enough to state that a private discussion amongst leadership on unspecified information provided by “competent authorities” is the justification for deporting a journalist. The phrase “adding another Russian citizen to Latvia’s list of personae non gratae” making it sound like that in of itself is an achievement is just, well, wonderful for my point.
>>2928458Well if you want to criticize something you have to have some evidence to base the criticism on. Horse before the wagon, not the other way. You should gather all the information, otherwise it is very naive to expect others to buy in if all you have is "I have seen something".
>>2928466I’ve provided a Politco article that ostensibly reports direct from the Latvian Foreign Minister, who provides no specifics as justification for the deportation and you provided the evidence that Latvians have considered him a Putin agent for years.
That is to say, I’ve got more than you sunshine.
The Ragozin shit is so fucking funny. Like, they're trying to present fucking cocksucker Libtard Ragozin as a Pro-Russia putler shillbot, the guy that argues against Anne Applebaum she isn't Russiophobic enough and the Soviet Union was the most evil shit ever, worse than Nazi Germany.
The Ragozin Latvia/NAFO saga really highlights the most important point here though, if basically you are not fully on board with literally dropping nukes on Moscow, and you actually try to take into a semi-holistic take on Geopolitics that includes possible Russian responses/reactions. Then you're basically a putin bot shill ZIGGER who deserves no rights and you should be launched out of a cannon at the Russian border.
No matter how much Anti-Russian shitlib traitors, postulate themselves for Westoids, the second you show one drop of a Russian perspective that doesn't line up with Western black and white preconceptions, you are the enemy.
Russian Liberals truly are the most fucking pathetic cucks in existance. Ragozin is just another in the long line of Russian Libtards getting stabbed in the face while the fellate anti-Russian Neocons and hawks, but they keep on doing it. Hopefully NFKRZ next.
And make no mistake, I said “it seems” you said
>It was about published slander regarding Usmanov and Fridman sanction lift.
and provided no evidence for that assertion.
>>2928483what is wrong with living in Russia though?
>>2928492Trumped up charges based on all your anti-russia libshit cocksucking that at one point, will cross over into something kind of treasonous. As a pro-west libshit in Russia, you're basically the equivilent of an Anti-Zionist in Germany or the UK, where the entire media and political goons are just waiting for any slip up to shove you behind bars or drag you into bullshit lawfare battles.
That's why all these dipshits like Ragozin, NFKRZ, Galeev etc are not in Russia, because they are genuinely pro-West libtards, but the problem is, Westerners will always view them as possible undercover SVR agents, and that always shows up if they actually try provide a Russian perspective on something, that 1:1 does not line up with the most deranged NAFO/Necon/Banderite narratives. Even NFKRZ gets fucking shit on relentlessly every time he complains about Western Russiophobia against people "good Russians" like him.
>>2928483Indeed, but what gets me is how that all then gets followed up by Westoid libs smugly “calling out” Russia for the same thing.
>Wanted to be a Putin shill by trying to make me question the efficacy of myself saying FUCK RUSSIA at any given opportunity with regards to winning hearts and minds in Russia?<Deported. Have fun being blacklisted from Russian media ;^) I will add though, the Ragozin shit just proves to Russians, what they say about Westerners and these NAFO politicians and types is correct. At no point will the Russian perspective, ever be treated in good faith in the West, Diplomacy is basically a waste of time with Westerners, and the goal of the West is basically to completely subjugate with a full on puppet regime or balkanize Russia so no Russia exists that can have any possible interest that is not 100% in line with Western capital and politics.
>>2928483But in this very thread there is a reddit link where it is clearly stated that nobody liked him in 2021 already and wanted him to be investigated by secret services. The narrative that he was turned into public enemy overnight because he said one bad thing does not fit.
>>2928505They've shit on him for years now because again, he actually does holistically provide the Russian perspective, and how Russia may respond to provocations or actions by the West. Because in the NAFO/Western shiplib mind, the West is perfect angel who dindunuttin ever and all Russian perspectives are illegitmate and disinformation, by trying to take in possible Russian responses, into his analysis (while the overall message is to suck off Ukraine and shit on Russia) it proves he is a traitor.
NAFO types are fucking loons, absolute batshit hawks who genuinely want a genocide against Russians, nukes thrown at Moscow, and think that Russia won't even be able to respond.
Watch the Oxford Union Debate society of Horten and Hitchens vs NAFO faggots, and you will see what I mean. These people in the debate are arguing that the UK should be engaging in NUCLEAR WAR against Russia, and when Hitchens and Horten bring up… you know, the actual consequences of this, the crowd and NAFO faggots all roll their eyes and laugh at them and act like they are being ridiculous to even think Russia could respond.
Balts have been trying to bait Russia into attacking them for years, because they think NATO will ride in and save their asses, and it will allow them to finally boot all the Soviet ethnic Russians from their nations. They are not really good faith, or rational when it comes to this stuff. I mean ffs, Lithuania tried to cut off China from the EU lmao.
>>2928505It’s not “one bad thing”, it’s the very sensible position that liberalism in Russia isn’t going to prevail for while the vanguard of liberalism keeps saying shit to the effect of “the Russian mind cannot understand and therefore fears democracy” while expanding militarily to their borders.
That’s ultimately the crime Russian libs commit and have been committing for decades. Russophobia is simply the post-Israel replacement for antisemitism, the West is fascist, the desire to “Make Russia Small Again” by Balkanising it, ridiculing it as the Gas Station with Nukes and implying it deserves neither, etc is all manufacturing consent for NATO Lebensraum
>>2928507It is very good to see Russia saving lives of Russian people right now.
>>2927690Russia has been demilitarizing Europe, they can hardly supply Kiev with anything anymore.
Lmao now the founder of Rybar has been nicked in Montenegro
>>2929049They should all flee to safer countries. Since Russia intensified sabotage activities in EU, many Ru aligned activists will be bottled for being potential spies and saboteurs.
Cucktin will respond by opening a pipeline owned by Kushner
>Russia has demanded that the United States lift sanctions in exchange for an energy truce, according to Kyiv Independent, citing American and Ukrainian sources.
>Dmitriev reportedly conveyed this condition to American officials during a visit to the United States in September. It remains unclear which specific sanctions Moscow wants to have lifted, the publication notes.
>A European diplomat suggested that Russia may be seeking to unfreeze its assets.
>This issue is expected to be one of the topics of discussion between Kyiv and Washington today and tomorrow.
>Following their recent trip to Russia, Witcoff and Kushner "returned with the impression that an energy truce is possible."
>A representative of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense stated that Moscow is currently trying to inflict as much damage as possible on Ukraine's energy infrastructure in order to gain leverage before potential negotiations.
reposted from cyberspec, pathetic limpdick cucktin and our champagne retard was claiming that Dimitriev had no official position kek
>>2929094>Dmitriev reportedlyReported by who? I know cucktin posters don’t like providing sources, but it’s quite important if the entire post is a “reportedly”.
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