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From Vkusno i Tochka with love Edition

Previous: >>2911597

Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine

https://archive.ph/44B9Q
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323637
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323658
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323663
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323688
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323729
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323733
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323731
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323735
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323740
https://azovlobby.substack.com/
https://banderalobby.substack.com/

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ALWAYS APPROACH SOURCES CRITICALLY

Live maps and updates
DeepStateMap: https://deepstatemap.live
Events in Ukraine: https://eventsinukraine.substack.com/
SouthFront: https://southfront.press/category/all-articles/world/europe/ukraine/

Watch Together
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Watch By Yourself
>Video Essays / Historical Background
📺 • Ukraine: The Avoidable War - Boy Boy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL4eNy4FCs8

📺 • Ukraine's Nazi Problem - The Marxist Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yZvWAwU5W4

📺 • America, Russia, and Ukraine's Far Right - Gravel Institute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0pyVJG7_6Q

📺 • The Nature of Putin's Russia and Its Causes (3-Part Series) - 1Dime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8d6Vzi7zYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zODWTfMwFGw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zuygh9Mzuo

<Current Happenings

📺 • The Grayzone: https://www.youtube.com/@thegrayzone7996
📺 • DDGeopolitics: https://www.youtube.com/@DDGeopolitics
📺 • Defense Politics Asia: https://www.youtube.com/@DefensePoliticsAsia
📺 • The Duran: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdeMVChrumySxV9N1w0Au-w
📺 • The News Atlas: https://www.youtube.com/c/thenewatlas
📺 • Military Summary: https://www.youtube.com/@militarysummary

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• behead NATO, crush NATO, etc.
• boasting about getting laid in a warzone is fucking weird, okay?

Project for the New American Century = ZIONIST DEATH CULT

PNAC was a neoconservative think tank made up of a who’s who of American neocons. Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan were the founders. Among their proposals was the so-called Wolfowitz Doctrine crafted by Paul Wolfowitz which called for massive military spending and preemptive invasions of foreign nations hostile to America, and specifically called for a “NEW PEARL HARBOR” to justify said policies.

It’s important to note that Wolfowitz was a student of political philosopher Leo Strauss who taught that political elites should see themselves as philosopher kings and lie to the vulgar masses of people in order to keep the masses in-check. When philosophers aren’t ruling overtly, they should rule covertly. Bill and his father Irving Kristol were die-hard followers of Strauss and sought to implement his thought any way they could. The Straussian cabal is very real and has been carefully manipulating American politics from the Nixon era onward.

Also, Clean Break was a bipartisan predecessor to PNAC that called for a U.S. invasion of Iraq as early as 1999 under the name “Operation Desert Crossing.”

Given that we are now in the 25th anniversary of 9/11can we all admit PNAC did 9/11?

POWER OF NIGHTMARES
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jxBbw13Y3Gc

A VERY HEAVY AGENDA (PNAC + 9/11)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/mbaAPILY8XmM/

Neocons are satanic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNYidsuhaKY

Zionist Jew YouTuber: "Claiming Jews were behind Iraq War is 'BLOOD LIBEL.'"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUA2Sy3jAZE&t=6013s
(1:40:13)

>"oy vey goyim, let us lie and deceive the public and give us the oil and let us establish a rothschild bank"

They aren't even making an effort to hide it anymore.

Total neocon death.

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how will i possibly begin to explain this war to the future generations given the total censorship and one sided narratives surrounding it

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>>2921051
>Gleeful goreposting.
western Pro-ukies and azov-ukies really are a special breed of subhuman to whom nothing is sacred.

>>2921051
kill everyone who uses reddit unironically
here is something for the cucktinposters:
>According to Lavrov, Europe is doing everything
to sabotage the prospects for peaceful negotiations on Ukraine, which are of interest to, among others, the Trump administration;
>muh trump peace plan
cuckold relationship

VIDEO: Dr. Thrillpill describes the effects of busification upon his life

OP start including https://busification.org/en

>>2921050
Robert Kagan was also calling for war with Russia in the 2000s.

are the non-credible defence redditors going to commit mass suicide when ukraine falls? or will it just be a mask-off "we killed so many russians without expending a single aryan herrenvolk NATO soldier"?

>>2921050
>”oy vey”
Fuck off

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>>2921123
The latter. Definitely the latter.

>>2921128
im not reading that 4chan garbage

>>2921123
some redditors/nafoids are clearly in it for the west/nato and dont actually care about ukraine, so whilst they will be disappointed ukraine lost they wont see it as the end of the world

but then there the other half which genuinely believe Zelensky is the true face of democracy and ukraine is a beacon of liberalism and russia is literally nazi germany and that nato is the only thing standing in the way of totalitarianism and blah blah blah. Among these people there may be a suicide or two when it becomes clear ukraine lost.

i doubt ukraine is going to completely fall, more likely Russia annexes the east

>>2921140
Unironically, Ukraine IS the only thing standing between Europe and Russian domination. European militaries other than Ukraine's are so outdated, small and underequipped they would be utterly hopeless against Russia. If Ukraine ever does fall, everyone east of France might as well surrender because they seemingly refuse to update their armed forces. They really do believe only in fighting to the last Ukrainian, they don't even value their own countries enough to even attempt to fight themselves.

hoping russia kwabs ukraine fast because I'm looking forward to my new hobby of making fun of nafoids

>>2921143
i think when ukraine looses i will make a twitter account, and im saying this as someone whose never had one

>>2921143
>he says as the war is going on 5 years


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>>2921123
There is the good chance of deleted accounts and "Well, I never believed in this bullshit that destroyed Ukraine as state and took EU political and economic creditability with it" takes.

You people give too much credit to some people to actually form their own opinions even if they are misguided or outright evil and stick them, when they actually just absorb whatever the yellow press/reddit hivemind says is today the right thing to believe today. Also there won't be a cathartic end to many of the ghouls who pushed this war and confrontation with Russia, big or small.

>>2921188
>Also there won't be a cathartic end to many of the ghouls who pushed this war and confrontation with Russia, big or small.
That's why I act abrasive and get my licks in from the start. It's not like you're going to see those invertebrates ever again.

>>2921123
>when ukraine falls

Anytime now lol

>>2921244
They can… stop any time. Most countries have sense not to suicide themselves and their population, and keep taking unsustainable losses.

Shame everyone that uses sunflower oil can’t die all at once, that’s all any of you are

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>>2921247
you're angry at sunflower oil?

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>>2921249
>>2921260
Read it and weep faggot these are the real borders of civilization

>>2921247
>that’s all any of you are
sunflower oil user? wtf does your comment even mean?


>>2921261
>never tasted sunflower halva
I'm proud of not being part of this… ""civilization"".

>>2921267
You and your kind will be slaves on my ranch for Buttersraum

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>>2921270
Centuries of attempts. Zero results. Germany is more likely to lose even more territory for the third time.

>>2921273
You mean besides the Tsars being all Germans and the Bolsheviks being German intelligence assets that got out of hand exactly like al Qaeda with the US?

>>2921274
Damn, what a cope. Same as broke-ass Americans selling their industry to the USSR and being paid to work there, and then trying to take credit for its industrialization.

>>2921278
Peter the Great turned Russia into an actual country by repressing slavism

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>>2921296
Also Magyars (sons of Cain and modern Amalek deserving of a similar biblical fate) use pure pork lard which it doesn’t differentiate from butter

>>2921263
Anon is in a desperate need for a made up hierarchy in which he is on top and can look down on others. Any criteria can do, no matter how nonsensical it is.
In this particular occurence, it appears the criteria is the type of fat used for cooking.

>>2921322
Congrats you figured out the joke retard

>>2921274
The Tsars were the puppets of the British and the French, not the Germans you retard. Russia fought against Germany in WW1. It was British and French bankers who held the Tsarist regime by the balls with their loans/debt that the Bolsheviks cancelled. Also under the Bolsheviks Russia took half of Germany enough with the retarded nationalistoid cope that Lenin was a German agent. If the Bolsheviks really were German agents Hitler wouldn't have armed up Germany to attack them.

>>2921063
TIL Dr. Strangelove was the first Incel to have been portrayed by Hollywood.


>>2921345
DYRBI?

>>2921345
Oh boy a second country to get stuck in for 5 years and to get drone striked by. Surely nothing bad will happen???

>>2921274
seethe

>>2921345
porkies in russia dont wanna call it war because muh stock markets, fuck i hate that fucking cuck

>>2921328
Lenin won against Russia's tsar and against foreign imperialists, including the RothschildBritish Empire and German Empire. Anti-communists will never get over this.

>>2921261
Using butter to cook is really weird, idk why anyone would choose to do that. Sunflower oil is objectively the best for cooking since olive oil is not great at high temperatures (it is the best to just put on some bread though).

>>2921408
>idk why anyone would choose to do that
Poorer people.

>>2921123
Tbh I think that if Russia bombs baltics and NATO won’t respond by declaring total war (and it won’t cause the 5th article doesn’t mean you have to send troops) some nafoids might unironically die from butthurt.
The baltics are the weakest link cause they have like less than 10 million people who live there in total. These countries are as fake as Belgium or Liechtenstein.

In theory, could Russia sweep up a Baltic state in a 24h operation? Theoretically possible I assume, but I have my doubts after watching Ukraine.

If Russia would get bogged down in a small country, that would be embarrassing.

>>2921413
Much how Ukraine was fake and needed only 3 days to fall

Guys, you have to step up the game a bit…

>>2921419
It would take 6 and a half years, no more no less. Mfs still don't know how 21st century wars work. Slow until it isn't.

>>2921419
>In theory, could Russia sweep up a Baltic state in a 24h operation?
No because every European country has been secretly stockpiling drones for the past few years and they are all ready to rape any Russian military force to death just like the Ukrainians.

>>2921419
Not with an active war ongoing and even if the current one ended tomorrow, not anytime soon because Russia would need time to rebuild and adapt its strained economy.

>>2921413
>and it won’t
NATO hawks are literally waiting for this to have a casus belli for going all in against RU.

Guys who won the election?

>>2921505
The Communists, obviously, but Putin rigged the vote and Zyuganov is scared of launching a civil war to contest for power.
>>2921475
Putin deciding to distract from Ukraine by invading the Baltics hoping for an ez win is like a gambling addict who already lost all his money hitting up the bank for a final loan to try to bet one last time. I don't think he's stupid enough to attempt it but then again I didn't think he was stupid enough to stalemate against Ukraine either so anything is possible at this point.

>>2921246
Not everyone is inherently cucked. People will fight simply on the principle their country *should* exist, not whether it *can*. Also, fanatical resistance is a provably effective strategy, if you're implying its not it means you're implying you would rather genocide all Ukrainians than see Russia lose.

>>2921526
I find it hilarious that we're almost 5 years into this war and Russians have not figured out any arguments for trying to convince Ukrainians to support them other than "die holhol die we will ban your language and force you to obey our government". Putin drank so much Russian nationalist kool aid that he really thought telling Ukrainians they don't deserve to exist and Lenin invented their entire country was a compelling argument.

>>2921551
>Lenin invented their entire country was a compelling argument.
thats true though

>>2921562
Lenin didn't start the Ukrainianization trend it was already happening. What he did was get in front of the trend and concede what was already obvious to all so Ukraine could still be allied to Russia. Putin can't even manage that. That retard really wants to go back to the Tsarist days and remove even Lenin's compromise.

>>2921564
>Lenin didn't start the Ukrainianization trend it was already happening. What he did was get in front of the trend and concede what was already obvious to all so Ukraine could still be allied to Russia. Putin can't even manage that. That retard really wants to go back to the Tsarist days and remove even Lenin's compromise.
im a communist, I dont support nation states you dumb fag

>>2921366
Oh boy an article from an anonymous publication about an unsourced article that doesn't exist anymore and was somehow never archived. Sounds legit.

>>2921512
>but Putin rigged the vote and Zyuganov is scared of launching a civil war to contest for power.
as much I agree with Zyuganov being a cuck, launching a civil war under current conditions would be suicide and ensure some pro western lib come to power, supported by the ukrops and western glowies. Reactionaries forces would unite under anti-communism and the only way the reds could win this time if the chinese supported the reds

>>2921565
All Communists have supported nation states including Marx. Stop LARPing. Abolition of states doesn't happen until the whole world is communist.

>>2921246
>They can… stop any time.
russians can also pick their toys and return to russia anytime

>>2921475
for what purpose? what is there in russia that is of any worth that russians aren't desperate to sell in the first place?

>>2921592
reconstruction contracts, oil, what more do you need?

>>2921593
russians are desperate to sell oil, it's all they've got

>>2921590
Nah, persecution of Russians in Ukraine and Nazism will end, not sorry.

>>2921050
PNAC doesn’t exist anymore and has nothing to do with Ukraine, idiot.

>>2921608
Mobilization status?

>>2921142
>they don't even value their own countries enough to even attempt to fight themselves.
Europeans don't have kids so the future is building an army of robots and the job of the soldiers will be to build and maintain those robots.

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Grimdark thought is that Future Robot War becomes a more or less persistent thing that goes on for years or maybe even decades.

>>2921575
>All Communists have supported nation states including Marx
yeah, more than 150 years ago, since then nation states have long been a hindrance to human progress

>>2921644
A robot and drone war becomes really risky when you account for possible sanctions and rise in worker power and strikes at factories and energy facilities. Also there really isn't the capacity in the west to produce anything but boutique weapons in small amounts. China alone could basically dictate west's ability to wage war, because China is the everything supplychain, like it did with rare earths.

Why west and the US hates china is because it makes all their shit uncompetitive with better MoP and western porky really doesn't want the competition or the huge costs to modernize manufacturing, they just want to topple China first striking it's allies and then take China's profits. They really are damned if they do and damned if they don't. West really can't do mass production without China and without mass production there won't be a long robot war.

>>2921627
Kagan/Nuland did the Maidan and put the Nazis in power over there. UK and EUrocrats were involved too, but EUrocrats wanted Klitschko as puppet president. Klitschko would have sold out UA too no doubt but at least he's not a Nazi, so things might have turned out slightly better for the Donetsk/Luhansk people and UA leftists. However, the NATO-RU conflict over UA would have escalated sooner or later anyway. Subjugating RU and grabbing it's resources is the main goal of western imperialists since centuries.

here's a reminder that the only reason ziggers claim this is a conflict with nato is that they are ashamed to admit their russia couldn't overpower ukraine

pitiful cope of a pitiful people

>>2921758
oink oink

War, huh, yeah
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing, uhh
War, huh, yeah
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Say it again, y'all


"Where Have All The Flowers Gone"

Ooh, where have all the flowers gone?
A long time passing
Where have all the flowers gone?
Long ago
Where have all the flowers gone?
Girl, they picked up everyone
(When will they ever learn?)
(When will they learn?)
When will they ever learn?

Where have all the soldiers gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the soldiers gone?
Long ago
Where have all the soldiers gone?
They've gone to graveyards, every one
(When will they ever learn?)
(When will they learn?)

(When will they learn, ever learn?)
(When will they learn?)
(When and when will they learn, ever learn?)

(When will they ever learn?)
Will they ever?
(When will they ever) Learn? Yeah, yeah

Where have all the flowers gone?
A long time passing
Where have all the flowers gone?
Long ago
Where have all the flowers gone?
The graveyard, oh
(When will they ever learn?)
(When will they learn?)
Oh, ever learn

Ooh, if you don't know what we're talkin' about
We say this there's too many starvin' children
If you don't know what we're talkin' about
When we say we're killin' each other
And we just ain't got time for ya, brother, no, no
Hey, hey, you don't know what we're talkin' about
When we say we're livin' in a last day of time
No, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, if you don't know
No, no, no, no

>>2921758
brvtal trvthnvke…

>>2921758
Yankoids try to take credit for the entire Eastern Front over some lend lease trucks.

>>2921963
Address the point made or fuck off.

>Bong
Okay burger.

>>2921984
Point is I’m kind of fine with being associated with a distinctive sounding bell, rather than fast food.

Like I don’t have to be confronted with questions like
>But what happens to Big Ben under communism
whereas Yankoids must answer what happens to Miccy D’s and other national treat-based pastimes if everyone hates Capitalism now.

>>2921988
Yeah so anyway are you going to confront the irony of
>America won the Eastern Front via Studebakers
>Ukraine stands alone against Russia, except for the billions of USD funding their economy, access to America’s eyes in the skies, their complete dependency on American weapons and Zelensky’s frequent trips to the US to ask for more

Because anything else is off topic and derailing. This is not the Champagne Socialist thread, it’s neither the support thread for people I’ve rekt over the years to seek closure. Address the point or fuck off.

>>2921050
>Zionist Jew YouTuber: "Claiming Jews were behind Iraq War is 'BLOOD LIBEL.'"
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUA2Sy3jAZE&t=6013s
>(1:40:13)

>jacobin

>>2921992
>That's right, Russia won going on 4 years now
Yeah I knew you couldn’t address it
>You have not rekt me
I just have, telling you to fuck off was honest advice.

>>2921994
Points like
>ur a fag
raised to avoid addressing my point.

>>2922000
All you had to do to avoid sounding like some vengeful jilted obsessive, was address the point that Ukraine is not standing alone if Yankoids claim lend lease trucks means they won the Eastern Front. Or, accept you cannot address that contradiction and leave.

>>2922007
>Dude I don't care about this Ukraine war like you do
Not an excuse to not address the point when replying to me anyway.

>It's a commercial version of some drone training simulator that the Ukie forces supposedly use

<Steam
They claim they use War Thunder for training which is on Steam because it’s a game, along with a bunch of other games depicting FPV drone warfare, you my hotheaded man have fallen for marketing with branding.

>>2922017
I assure you it’s a marketing gimmick Ukraine already has that appeals to the edgy desire to spend all day in your pyjamas laying out Russian soldiers, controlling FPV drones from your gaming laptop. They don’t care about training, they care about getting the currently un-mobilised to join of their own volition in the belief they’ll get to be FPV drone operators.

Russia lost. I think they should immediately sign an armistice and freeze the current lines before things get worse. Ukrops are already claiming that Porkroast is slowly getting liberated. It's fucking over…

Reviews for the game are pretty funny
>Most of the game is locked to civilian users … The screenshots and videos on Steam of the drones and game modes and all the fine tweaking are locked behind the "military" version. What you will receive upon purchase is far less than what is shown.
<We won't unlock the full version for civilians … You can always get a refund on Steam or join the army - we give the full version for free then :)

>>2922067
The military is bourgeois division

>>2922068
>>2922070
>>2922074
It’s definitely the future of gaming, I reckon if a cosmetic item or emote was locked behind signing a contract with the military you’d see plenty of recruits. I suppose in a sense joining the Ukrainian military would be like a loot box, of course players want FPV Operator duties but chances are you’re assigned to suicide rush a village that was called an irrelevant shithole not two weeks prior.

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I do MY mill simming in Arma Reforger chuddy

>>2922082
>Set in 1989
NGMI may as well be playing Holdfast.

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>>2922086
It has modern servers focused on the Ukraine war with FPV drones, they just arent as comfy as being a USSR soldier smoking burgers.

pic related its santa flying over donbas

>>2922088
I think War Thunder’s infantry mode also has FPV drones. Not really sure how to feel about how influential goreposting in this conflict has apparently been. But I suppose that’s to be expected when you promote war as entertainment. And I suppose that in turn is to be expected when Ukraine is run by a TV production company.

>>2922092
>how influential goreposting

very, it fucking sucks you have both sides dehumanizing each other to absurd degrees to the point retards clap when some random school teacher conscript gets gore killed live on camera, our empathy is gone collectively.

>>2922100
>muh both sides

It’s very interesting how you have so much empathy for Nazis being blown to bits

>>2922104
Yeah you dumb joid I think the min wage conscripts who get bussed onto the front line with little to no will to fight who are put in place by barrier units probably are victims of this conflict, russian or ukrainian.

>>2922100
Indeed, gotta give the conflict a couple of decades before going all uwu over its weapons. Or at least I think that’s how long it’d take before larping as the commander of a Tiger II gets you labeled a history buff or a wehraboo, rather than an unironic Nazi.

Like I don’t think there’s any excusing the desire as simply a like for the engineering of FPV drones, we see drones ambush people and witness their terrified expressions for a short moment, in 1080p on a good day, and people want in.

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>>2922108
We're in the videodrome.

>>2922110
The ruskies have been threatening to nuke us since the 60s, any time now.

More likely to be nuked by Mossad than Ivan.

>>2922105
>there are heroes in both the Red Army and the Wehrmacht!

>>2922110
As long as my death isn’t televised for the entertainment of people who probably complain about gluten allergies and pop anti-depressants like fucking tictacs, I’d consider myself lucky in this day and age.

>>2922114
might surprise you to learn but the russian army isnt the same as the nazi one, different countries.

>>2922117
also I think if we're going to start making nazi comparisons the ukraine side is gonna look worse, might want to be careful with that analogy.

>>2922122
>Caucasian animals
Whose from the Caucasus here?

>>2922122

Interesting that there’s two duplicate threads for a conflict no one cares about anymore

>>2922110
>WE ARE POWERFUL WE ARE STRONG FEAR US WE CAN BRING YOU TO YOUR KNEES IN AN HOUR
<Gets raped by holholistan drones for 5 years straight
Zigger propaganda isn't even funny anymore it's just sad. It's like an elderly babushka on the verge of death with dementia bragging about how she can beat you up when she's already struggling to control her own wheelchair. No one is scared. No one is frightened.

Damn, little guy is seething over a video from a uk tabloid. lmao.

>>2922136
Oil wars

>>2921526
you realize you're talking to a Canadian-Ukrainian, right?
<I find it hilarious that we're almost 5 years into this war and Russians have not figured out any arguments for trying to convince Ukrainians to support them other than "die holhol die we will ban your language and force you to obey our government"
literally just saying the opposite of reality. is this trolling? it was the Ukrainian government that tried to ban Russian speaking in the Donbass region. I find it highly convenient that all the educational material we had on this subject matter was wiped because the mods decided to host the site on a bare metal hard drive.

https://leftypol.org/edu/res/9906.html

>>2922149
>mfw all the nazis in ukraine fled to canada

interesting

>>2922122
posts like these are written in a basement in tel aviv or a basement in langley. not sure which

>>2922149
They’re moving the goalposts from Russia liberating Donbass to conquering all of Ukraine. To gain sympathy, all the brightest minds in Ukraine could come up with is role reversal, by which now they’re in the position of the Donbassians who are getting shelled for speaking the wrong language.

>>2921050
>”Jewish supremacy”
Bill Kristol was taught by a goy (Harvey Mansfield) you fucking mong.

Man, so many people's worldviews are such hot garbage, now we have to drown in a sea of cognitive dissonance.

This war has been going on so long the average age of a zigga is mid 50s. Let that sink in.

>>2922137
>Zigger propaganda isn't even funny anymore it's just sad. It's like an elderly babushka on the verge of death with dementia bragging about how she can beat you up when she's already struggling to control her own wheelchair. No one is scared. No one is frightened
baltoid eastern yurop lib analysis

>>2922413
What is the situation right now anyways? What is the order of battle for that ukrainian vivaldi counreroink? How are they sustaining their losses daily?

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>>2922455
>How are they sustaining their losses daily?
Battle droids

Genuinely curious what /ukr/ thinks if this. Is Russia inherently progressive?

>>2922695
Haz being retarded as usual and indulging in metaphysical nonsense. But really that's just smoke and mirrors to distract from the real material reason behind Haz's support for Russia. It is because Russia sponsors both him and Jackson Hinkle. I think Jackson is currently living in Russia right now. Even if they wanted to say something bad about Russia they can't because their lives are now dependent on the Russian government. They lost objectivity because their very lives and financing depend on Russia so they will never criticize Russia just like how Haz never criticizes Dugin even when Dugin invites actual fascists to St. Petersburg.

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Let's play spot the difference.

>>2922695
Nothing is "inherently" anything. Essentialists out!

>>2922675
Human soldiers are going obsolete faster than expected. How can you win a revolution when youre against heat seeking drones swarms?

>>2922746
Nothing for now. Protracted People's War glazers need to bunker down and hide until an affordable countermeasure is produced. Right now all guerilla groups are coasting by on the fact that mass drone strikes aren't a reality yet for most countries because the governments they're facing are still stuck in the old ways of tanks and armored divisions. As military knowledge spreads of how Ukraine/Russia have changed war, and as drones continue to become more advanced and cheap, the tide will irreversibly turn against guerilla groups.

>>2921408
It really depends on the dish. Butter will make you chewy potatoes, while sunflower seed oil will make potatoes crispy, for example

help guys, I need to prove that ukraine provoked the war with their actions (at least partially) but obviously every source that comes up on google says otherwise

>>2921647
The only alternatives to nation states are tribal reservations living at the mercy of nation states and unincorporated rape colonies championed by Musk, Thiel and AI oligarchs.

>>2922946
You will not find anything because we are in the middle of the middle stages of WW3 and "being objective" means lending a narrative hand to the enemy. Give it 30 years and maybe we will see some "revisionist" history.

>>2922946
Try Yandex

>>2922706
100%. Jackson is a CIA agent working for the SVR now. He is bankrolled by an oligarch calles Malofevev or something.

>>2922723
No need to
>If my side does X it is good
<If my enemy does X it is bad

>>2922757
It's the other way around. Drones make large, expensive, mechanized armies obsolete precisely because they're so much cheaper and easy to acquire. Its the equivalent of guns and pikes ending the dominance of knights in the late middle ages. Drones are an equalizer that will reduce the power disparity between states and insurgents, and we're already seeing this in Lebanon, Yemen, etc. Even Ukraine is an example of this, since without drones Russia would have easily smashed the AFU.

>>2921644
>>2922675
AGVs aren't currently anywhere close to replacing actual soldiers, and aren't likely to do so barring some major leaps in robotics. The problems are obvious when you think about it for a minute, mainly that they are unable to self-correct any mechanical problems. If you picture a ground drone of the type being used in Ukraine (i.e. a little four wheeled robot with a machine gun mounted to it) then it immediately begs the question about what happens if its gun jams, if it gets stuck in the mud, tips over, camera gets obscured, etc. This is why they're mainly used either in non-combat roles (e.g. as ambulances or supply vehicles), suicide missions, or deployed alongside human soldiers that can address any of those problems.

>>2922946
Cause they didn't, the most credible Russian pretext is the western shift Ukraine took after Maidan, but they even then they sent the little glow men and so largely created the conflict themselves. Attacking a state that became an ally of a "rival" might be a good reason but you're still provoking the conflict, can't have your cake and eat it too

>>2922746
We need to win over more military people, veterans or currently in duty, to our side again. Soldiers used to be a big part of the communist/socialist movement back in the day.

We can defeat the drones by flooding the air ocean with concrete.

>>2922165
It's not moving the goalposts, full takeover was the original objective in 2022; taking the Donbass (the original original 2014 objective) is the consolation prize since Ukraine, no matter what the Russians insist, is not going to collapse in 2 weeks.

Ukraine collapse status?

>>2922982
>On 21 February 2022, Russia officially recognized the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic and, three days later, started a full-scale invasion of Ukraine, during which they occupied territory in the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia Oblasts, with formal military occupations beginning in the first week.
>On 23 February, Putin in a televised address announced a "special military operation" in Ukraine launching a full-scale invasion of Ukraine. In his speech, Putin claimed that Russia has no plans to occupy Ukrainian territory, adding: "We are not going to impose anything on anyone by force".
Cope.

>>2923001
its the eternal war


>>2923006
>Новый мир рождается на наших глазах.
Smacks of opinion piece, is it?

>>2923001
>Ukraine collapse status?
>>2923001
>Ukraine collapse status?
THE VERKHOVNA RADA STANDS

THE BANDERITE UKRAINAN GOVERNMENT CONDUCTS ITS BUSINESS WITH IMPUNITY

THE BANDERITE MEMORIAL/REBURIAL SERVICES OF NAZI COLLABORATORS PROCEED UNMOLESTED

THE BANDERITES ORGANIZE INTERNATIONAL MEETINGS FOR OTHER EUROPEAN FASCISTS

THE NATO PRESS HOTELS DEFY THE SKIES WITH THEIR PRESENCE

>>2923010
state media agency posting this gem on the second day of war is the biggest mask off moment ever
the fact that it all failed so spectacularly they had to delete the manifesto is but a cherry on top

>>2922455
>How are they sustaining their losses daily?

Columbian mercenaries

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>The Forum of Supporters of the Struggle against Modern Practices of Neocolonialism "For the Freedom of Nations!",[a] also known as the "For the Freedom of Nations!" Movement[b] or FFN[c] is a Russian-led inter-party movement with a claimed goal of uniting political parties from various nations to counter what they claim is neocolonialism.[1] The movement was officially created in February 2024 on the initiative of the United Russia Party after the Forum's founding General Assembly was held in Moscow.[2] Since then, political parties from more than 50 countries have joined the movement.[3][4]

>Countering modern neocolonial practices is the self-proclaimed main goal of the "For the Freedom of Nations!" Movement. These practices are said to include "The imposition of sanctions and restrictive measures, weaponization of currencies, cultural indoctrination, falsification of history, information and psychological campaigns, etc.". The Movement claims that the West and capitalist countries are the main perpetrators of such practices[5] and describes itself as a forum for consolidation of the political movements from countries of the Global South.[6]


<The founding General Assembly of the Forum of Supporters of the Struggle against Modern Practices of Neocolonialism - "For the Freedom of Nations!" was attended by 50 political movements, including 8 European (from Azerbaijan, Armenia, Belarus, Bulgaria, Moldova, Russia, Serbia, and Turkey), 21 Asian (from Vietnam, Indonesia, Iran, Kazakhstan, Cambodia, Kyrgyzstan, Japan, China, North Korea, Laos, Lebanon, Malaysia, Mongolia, Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Palestine, Tajikistan, Thailand, Uzbekistan, and the Philippines), 11 African (from Algeria, Angola, Djibouti, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Namibia, Uganda, the Central African Republic, Eritrea, Ethiopia, and South Africa), and 9 Latin American (from Bolivia, Brazil, Venezuela, Honduras, Cuba, Mexico, Nicaragua, Peru, and El Salvador).[9]

thoughts?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_Freedom_of_Nations!

>>2922966
Every new innovation will eventually be countered, and they are already working on it. The Spanish Tercio dominated European battlefields after knights, until they didn't. In fact, cavalry made a heavy comeback in the 18th century.

>>2922972
Nafoids out

>>2923018
Irrelevant if it’s an opinion piece and it is, isn’t it?

>>2923021
>believing glowiepedia in the year 2026
Just assume that everything Wikipedia says about Russia is a lie. They still treat "mobile crematoriums" as real.

According to Wikipedia the "Russian warship go fuck yourself" also totally happened. Despite there being a woman on the recording but there were no women among the Snake Island personnel captured by Russia.

>>2923024
How is this turning out?

>>2923018
The truth is that the monkey putin meme is real and representative of the Russian state, there is no plan but get away with what they can, which would be ah… half of donbass for a million casualties and 4 years of war which was totally hmm the plan from the beginning

>>2923006
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, it's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not Putin's fault.
And if it was, he'll fix it.
And if he doesn't, it doesn't matter anyways.


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>>2922971
>AGVs aren't currently anywhere close to replacing actual soldiers, and aren't likely to do so barring some major leaps in robotics.
I think they're starting to replace armored fighting vehicles, which in the future will transition into command vehicles controlling a formation of robotic vehicles that will bound forward several kilometers. What they're trying to do is unlock maneuver again. The infantry's job is to arrive later after the position has already been pretty well blown up / overrun.

>If you picture a ground drone of the type being used in Ukraine (i.e. a little four wheeled robot with a machine gun mounted to it) then it immediately begs the question about what happens if its gun jams, if it gets stuck in the mud, tips over, camera gets obscured, etc.

I'm not sure but there are videos of these things pulling others when they get stuck or giving them a push to right themselves when they fall over on their side. The ones they're using now also have more firepower. Grenade launchers, rocket launchers with thermobaric warheads (like the RPO-A), and also they carry explosive charges and will drive in and blow up at the end of the mission.

Reminds me a little bit of ISIS assault tactics except without the people. They could pretty much devastate a fortified urban position with suicide vehicles, using a base of fire at a distance to suppress and then sending in kamikaze VBIEDs to blow the position up.

>>2922706
I noticed you have no refutation of his argument

>>2921050
>”straussian cabal”
>”trotskycons”
Okay, and who are these people working for? Whose class interests do they serve? Who’s paying Bill Kristol?

Ukraine claims to have recaptured ground at Lyman. Person they used to prove the recapture is dead from 3rd of January

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This is the closest we've probably come to symmetrical warfare with an actual world power since WW2 but it's still just another play pretend war. In a real war between two superpowers the total nuclear arsenal will be deployed immediately. The only advantage is to strike first and hope you can hit some of the enemies nukes while they are still on the ground.

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>>2923279
I'm a relatively old fag, I actually wasn't really alive during the official Cold War I guess, but I am old enough to remember the kind of shit we used to know. The Cold War didn't really end, that's what time it still it is.
https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/
They aren't balls motherfuckers like they were back then, I mean Hegseth, Trump, Rubio, lol. I think if we do reach "midnight" it will follow a period of buildup in warheads. None of these superpowers, the security council, the nuclear council(I call it, because, you can look this up, they are the only countries legally permitted to own nuclear weapons. Interesting isn't it. Japan and Germany are the ultimate cuck nations, "we would be world powers but America told us no."), will ever directly fight each-other. It's all a game.

But the nuclear council is a reminder, that's how bullshit all this other shit is. Nothing matters but an arsenal of nuclear weapons.

>>2923282
When you have no nuclear arsenal, you have an umbrella, umbrella, ay, ay. The Germs recently worried that all their stored nuclear weapons for America weren't for them and tried making some nuclear pact with France, Macron started some thing with them, the French, who hold the legal right to build nuclear weapons, build them, then the Germs finance them, and they call them Germo-Frog nuclear weapons. But the reported danger is Le Pen, or rather her party(she is banned or something right?) get in because she has vocally stated Jerries get no fucking nukes.

>>2921274
I want everyone to know that this anon is a known troll from /usapol/ he will not read your replies, no matter how educational and correct they are. He repeats lies over and over. He also likes to say marx cheated on jenny, and was a supporter of settler colonialism. He likes to say there is no such thing as the proletariat. He gets drunk. He is petty bourgeois and hurt his ankle he says. Sometimes he uses the fact that he works in a steel factory as an appeal to his own authority.

I am by no means an expert on this battlefield, but please explain to me why this war has not resolved and the superior force prevailed?

>>2923277
Theres a flood of FPV footage of equipment being whacked behind the supposed ukrainian /russian line of contact at the lyman direction which makes me think the claims of ukrainian progress there are either a bit overstated or the situation is extremely fluid and subject to a counter-counter offensive

>>2923066
robotic VBIEDs (I guess not exactly an IED anymore if theyre being produced for this purpoes) seems to be the meta they're trying for right now. Disposable bombs hiding under a thicket of copecages to dislodge a dug in position.

Whatever happened to the turtle tank meta from last summer incidentally?

>>2922115
This is what I’m talking about, imagine having your death televised as entertainment for soft cunts like this

>>2923316
unhinged and demented nafoids. I wonder if anyone's done a demographic study on these people. My mental image is of a mid 40s liberal who drank the muh values and muh democracy coolaid too much and is materially detached from the costs of reproducing society.

>>2923320
Just people who need to be victims to explain away their personal failings. I’m sure all of them claim to have allergies, depression, social anxiety, etc and they’re attracted to NAFO because it’s an internet community where they get to feel brave like soldiers for a change, but they’re too pathetic to even keep up the pretence of “fighting on the internet front” as cringe as that already is. No, their victim complex MUST be a component of it and thus they end up performatively babbling nonsense while being bedridden from their internet shell shock.

>>2923291
Russia went in with a force too small because bad intelligence, political miscalculation and widespread corruption in the military. They never had enough advanced airpower to achieve supremacy in the sky and they ran out of hardware like artillery shells to throw in mass at the problem before they could correct. Meanwhile Ukraine leveraged the west to get supplied and innovated enough with drones and shit to neutralize the Russian fleet, hamper its logistics and strike strategically the economy of Russia which was not doing so good in the first place because of sky high military spending and sanctions. Russia can't mobilize because its state is fragile to public opinion and now it's kind of too late anyways because they would struggle to supply more troops in the battlefield with drones threatening supply lines so we're stuck until Ukraine yields or Russia gets couped

Russia shut the bed. You can't spend trillions on nukes, and when time comes, pussy out. Otherwise those trillions could had been spent in real army. If you are serious about defence, you drop a few, you don't even need to hit cities, and let your enemy know he will not survive this.

They fucked up so massively nobody takes Russia serious now.

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>>2922960
I've seen stuff posted on leftypol before about it, just didn't save it

>>2922961
The problem is RT etc is blocked in my shitty country lol.

>>2922972
I'm more asking about people saying 'Ukraine broke Minsk II and Russia tried to abide by it', I believed you guys, you wouldn't just lie to me, would you? Have I fallen for disinfo just like our Reichskommisars say?

>>2923338
Has the USA invaded/bombed Russia? No? Then the nuclear program worked

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>>2923320
>>2923324
Yeah, 40+ guys who live "normal" lives and experience ennui, so they develop an image of the war as a kind of morally highly-charged vicarious fantasy alternative world or massively-mulitplayer online game. There's also the kind of person (not them though) who actually goes to volunteer to fight because they think the war is some kind of concentrated realness in contrast to the fake world they came from. Either way it's delusional.

>>2923330
The other thing I expect (just an opinion) is more and more passive behavior. After a certain point when people lose confidence in Putin then the society simply stops responding to the government's efforts to get them to serve the war effort. People just don't put their backs into it so much. Which doesn't mean the Russian army collapses. The front line is so heavily mined and the Ukrainian military so short of troops that their own counter-offensives have been limited, a few small towns, anyways. But it just makes any decisive conclusion from the Russian side harder and harder.

And BTW, a Russian victory was initially defined as something different than it is today. The Z gang will try to bamboozle people and create a blurry definition of what winning is, but they had much higher aspirations in the beginning when NATO flags captured in battle would be thrown down on Red Square and the Ukronazis would get fully kicked. The whole thing would've wrapped up once and for all. I watched Russell Bentley. They would've been very surprised a few years ago if they were told however that this entire story was hatched solely to recapture the Donetsk and Luhansk regions and it would still be going on 1,700 days later. You can still make a small group of fanatics still believe in this cause and stick with it, and you can make a large number of people believe in that for a short time, but you can't make a large number of people believe in that forever.

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>CIA Director John Ratcliffe warned Russian officials that Russia’s economy could collapse in a Soviet-style crisis if the war continues, German outlet Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reported on September 26.

>A senior diplomat familiar with the CIA’s briefing to Western partner services after Ratcliffe’s late-August visit to Moscow told FAZ that the intelligence assessment was the trip’s central purpose. “Russia is losing the war,” the diplomat described the US assessment as concluding.

>>2923277
first social media counteroffensive

>>2923351
Just goes to show how economically illiterate the CIA is.

The USSR didn't die because its economy "collapsed", it died because people stopped believing in it when gorby's perestroika resulted in empty shelves and incompetent management.

>>2923316
you cant possibly complain about NAFO when the average zigger lib here is a blood cultist spectacle brained retard that was jerking off to videos of cities being bombed just last week

>>2923376
False. I wasn't here last week :^)

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>>2923376
Projection. NAFOids ITT have an obsession with proving Ukrainian attacks aren’t small, smokey fires by endlessly posting small, smokey fires.

If they changed tact and claimed it was death by a thousand pin pricks, I could respect that more, but as it stands it’s them openly salivating at the prospect of Russian civilians imminently suffering from the collapse of their country with 1990s x 1000 theatrics after every single small, smokey fire

>>2923371
>The USSR didn't die because its economy collapsed, it died because its economy collapsed
insightful

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>>2923098
What argument? That Russia is "intrinsically good"? That Ukraine and Belarus would welcome their own annexation and absorption into Russia? That "ten trillion people dying" is alright with him as long as Russia wins because the war is against "balkanization"? Those are not arguments. Those are groundless claims made up by a retard farming views for twitch/youtube/kick/whatever video platform he's on, and automatically disproven by anyone paying even the slightest amount of attention to reality.

What if I told you that Lukashenko refused to recognize the initial takeover of Crimea back in 2014 because he was scared Russia would try to annex Belarus right after finishing with Ukraine, and that to this day there is still great uneasiness within the Belarusian government over Russia's ambitions? Haz doesn't even fucking understand the Belarusian-Russian relationship yet he thinks because he livestreams and speaks in front of a camera he is automatically qualified to commentate on shit he doesn't even understand.

Haz possesses no historical knowledge of the region and fails to perform even elementary research. He just spouts off his retarded talking points because that's what he's being paid to do.

>>2923463
>What if I told you that Lukashenko refused to recognize the initial takeover of Crimea back in 2014 because he was scared Russia would try to annex Belarus right after finishing with Ukraine
You haven’t proven that was the motivation, Belarus’ motivation may have simply been having no real reason to give the West further cause to target them with more sanctions and/or increase efforts to enact a colour revolution.

>>2923463
>to this day there is still great uneasiness within the Belarusian government over Russia's ambitions
good to know the Belarusians aren't naive

This is stupid, Belarus now has Russian nuclear weapons on their territory. That’s a bit of a hit to their sovereignty, albeit presumably preferable to the alternative of a NATO invasion of Belarus to divert Russian military supplies away from Ukraine.

If this was such a concern for Belarusians in Belarus, surely we’d expect to see frequent protests against the deployment of Russian nuclear weapons?

>>2923435
>Projection. NAFOids ITT have an obsession with proving Ukrainian attacks aren’t small, smokey fires by endlessly posting small, smokey fires.
There was a video where a a Ukrainian drone was shot down around probably Moscow. As it hit the ground it didn't really explode or hit any building, but it burst into a fire of plume of black thick smoke. They are probably loading the some drones with bitumen and heavy oils and other dirty fuels, so that every such drone is a "hit" even when shot down and useful for the for the skyline moneyshot.

Kinda reminds me when Mossad agents burned car tires in Teheran to stoke panic when the first clashes started with US and Israel.

>>2923532
"bitumen loaded drones" lol there might be a shortage of fuel in Russia because of the smokey fires but the copium supply sure is fine

>>2923536
>>2923532
I keep that video nearby at all times

>>2923536
I mean both sides already use decoys in drone strikes.
>>2923552
Thanks, that's it. I couldn't find it myself. No normal car or aviation fuel burns like that methinks.

>>2923556
Nah and even if it did, these drones would be running on empty by the time they reach Moscow in any case. Whether they actually are flying all the way from Ukraine, or launched out the back of a civilian lorry nearer to Moscow, it’d be dumb to have that much fuel in the tank left.

>>2923485
Didn't belarus recently pass a law saying that citizens of either state could be elected to the government

>>2923445

theres a difference between self-inflicted econ retardmaxing vs an actual sraffian failure to produce commodities because precursors are clogged

>>2923657
Except the perestroika was born from necessity and widely supported as the economy was in a slump since Brezhnev! and his clique of conservatards did their coup. There was only so much stagnation and structural issues the USSR could accumulate before failing. Gorbachev may have been retarded but something had to be done in any case to try to save the union

>>2923552
damn, actually never noticed this. lol, they are that petty that they fill their drones with some dirty fuel so it looks nice for the cameras, fucking pathetic

>>2921050
>this shit again

>>2923753
Reform was necessary, but lobotomizing the highly integrated and organized sectors of the economy first before reforming the agricultural sector where organizational needs are lower allowing for decentralized capital accumulation was braindead.

There's a reason Deng's reforms started on the farms and then used that capital accumulation to kickstart the first factories in the SOEs, whilst never letting go of the deeply vertically integrated sectors of the "commanding heights" of the economy.

>>2923795
What a shitty system that was that let Perestroika destroyed it… really makes you ponder

>>2923376
What's wrong with bombing cities?

>>2923167
Pretty sure they want a global empire ruled by philosopher kings.

>>2923828
Don't try to run a planned command economy on everything before you have the means of production ready to do it? Exactly like any sane reading of Das Kapital would lead you to conclude?

I still don't know who in the CPSU decided markets==capitalism.

>>2923316
by the way, the guy deleted his account right after the community note 😄😄😄

>>2923868
Deep down everybody wants an autocrat who thinks just like them or is them.

>>2923872
>>2923828
your tirade against planned economies doesnt work

>>2923872
>I still don't know who in the CPSU decided markets==capitalism.
That would be Khrushchev, the ultra left Trotskyist sympathizer who abolished Stalin's concessions to the private sector and who tried to reach full Communism in 10 years and failed immediately.

Feel like when talking about the “stagnation era” people forget that the 1970s weren’t a particularly good time economically in the West either. It’s treated as a uniquely Soviet issue, despite the “stagnation era” in the USSR being remembered as quite a bit more comfortable than how Westerners recall the 1970s.

The truly retarded thing about Perestroika/Glasnost is it’s inspired by a Western solution to a problem the USSR didn’t suffer from, stagnation from a global (mostly capitalist) economy being in the toilet isn’t really cause for giving neolibs the reins in the Kremlin as was happening in London and Washington which resulted in Gorby’s BFFs.

>>2924096
>Feel like when talking about the “stagnation era” people forget that the 1970s weren’t a particularly good time economically in the West either. It’s treated as a uniquely Soviet issue, despite the “stagnation era” in the USSR being remembered as quite a bit more comfortable than how Westerners recall the 1970s.
Ok yeah, I'm with you.

>The truly retarded thing about Perestroika/Glasnost is it’s inspired by a Western solution to a problem the USSR didn’t suffer from, stagnation from a global (mostly capitalist) economy being in the toilet isn’t really cause for giving neolibs the reins in the Kremlin as was happening in London and Washington which resulted in Gorby’s BFFs.

Nah dog, the Soviet Union's disintegration is the greatest of history like Putin says. But you have to concede it was all caused by internal failers. "The copied the West!" It just nothing will ever justify it.

>>2924099
>greatest of history like Putin says.
Greatest *tragedy

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna7632057
>“First and foremost it is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century,” Putin said. “As for the Russian people, it became a genuine tragedy. Tens of millions of our fellow citizens and countrymen found themselves beyond the fringes of Russian territory.

>>2924099
Nah counter-revolutionaries IMO were just out to copy the West wholesale. The same people who pushed for liberalisation then went on to reform Russia as though the Whites won the Civil War and invited the West (who happened to be neolibs by that time) to completely design their economy and, for a very short while, their governance structure before agreeing with Yeltsin that actually there can be too much democracy.

Everything from 1985 onwards was just about Whites getting a do-over and trying to essentially pick up the timeline as though it’s still 1917, there hadn’t been a Cold War, Russia is still unindustrialised, the Tsar has just been removed so any amount of democracy (including not very much at all) is an improvement and that all means Russia is ripe for the West to invest in, grow and welcome as a fellow European power.

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Such a catastrophe, happily Putin healed the world with the Chicago technique

>>2924101
Well, still, how could this happen. You say from 1985 onward so how could all of 68 years just be a wash. America will keep on living because people would fight die to protect it.

>You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

>>2924103
Putin knew what American investors like to hear.

>>2924105
>Putin know what people like to hear
well…. I'm still rooting for the USSR 2.0

>>2924104
>America will keep on living because people would fight die to protect it.
Americans repeatedly vote for political slogans like “Change” and “Make America Great Again”, the difference for the US isn’t the will of the people for a complete change of pace, that desire is expressed daily, it’s that those slogans are entirely empty and there is no one in the US government who is secretly trying to instigate change for their own benefit.

The US doesn’t consider its politicians trading with its inside knowledge to be the crime of insider trading, thus it’s all but guaranteed that they will become rich and this will be considered fair. You literally couldn’t ask for more as a liberal.

>>2924104
>>2924106
I mean, can't really fathom how this thing went on for decades yet nobody really cared at the end. I met one guy from an SSR, he only had positive things to say and he spoke Russian and I guess was a russophile you could say. Actually I met this other lady from an SSR she was also bragging about how back in the USSR she was engineer(and how they uplifted woman and the other guy told me the same about his mom), and now she was just a bailsbondslady.

>>2924106
No no, I was explicit in what I said
>Putin knew what American investors like to hear.

>>2924109
well…. I'm still rooting for the USSR 2.0

>>2924108
It’s not true that nobody cared, masses of people protested against it. There was a serious concern in the 1990s (in Russia at least) that people wanted to restore the Communist Party to power.

That being said people weren’t quite as romantic about a civil war to restore the good old days as Americans are, I’ve been told by people who were there at the time that they genuinely feared a nuclear civil war. Unfortunately a deterrent once previously against imperialists, then became a bourgeois deterrent against justice.

>>2924109
3rd world liberalism enjoyer.

>>2924128
I do enjoy the fact that Putin then cucked said investors as soon as he became president and therefore became a Bond villain in the West.

>>2924109
He's been keeping up the act for pretty long now. Putin must be a great actor

>>2924149
Hardly, the KPRF are the second most voted party in Russia whereas American investors expect for all Communists to be thrown out of helicopters.

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what stage of butthurt is the british media at?

>>2924530
why is Britain so butthurt about Russia compared to literally any other european country. they seem to pump out a lot of seethe.

or is it just my bias because i can only read English and in fact other European nations news is also equally butthurt.

>>2924537
It's just desperate propaganda to remilitarise.

>>2924067
Its not against planned economies - the prc economy is deeply planned from 1978 to the present day. Its about the resolution and detail of the planning - are we doing planning down to every single shoe that gets made? Because if so the coordination technology needs to be much better than was available to gosplan.

>>2924530
>evil

Bold words from the torygraph. I say we hang anyone who supported the televised genocide before we treat the UK as a serious country again.

>>2924105
Don't waste breath, don't spare time. He's probably the same bot that comes in here to post b8 engagement.
It doesn't matter how you explain that to him.
It's like radlibs when they are explained that Stalin was just a man of his time when he decided to roll back gay rights, when the US until, very recently, through various states (state sodomy laws) was illegal to be gay.
90s Putin was a man of his time.

>>2924625
>90s Putin was a man of his time.
Great. So was everyone else.

>>2924625
>90s Putin was a man of his time.
Anti-communist neoliberal and hand picked successor of Yeltsin? What has changed since then? Imagine calling anyone else radlib and supporting this man.

>>2924530
I think its just nationalist brainworms

>>2924639
I don't waste time on online discussions accusing george washington of this and that. though I 100% would laugh at someone comparing him with Marx.

neoliberal isn't a word worth for you to debate, untasteful troll. you don't know what a neoliberal is, even if he were to privatize your anus for some corpo pig exclusive use and exploitation.

Ukraine tells South Korea: “Know your place and GIVAS!“

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A Z-blogger and SMO volunteer 'Thirteenth' who supported extrajudicial beatings and police brutality (1, 2) is now getting his 'internal front' split by prison guards LOL (3, 4). As Yezhov apocryphally put it, 'Comrade Stalin, a terrible mistake has occurred!'.

>>2924668
Imagine being a rightist russian lmao

>>2924660
But for real, anti-campists are going extinct when Ukraine’s aggressive arrogance is kicked into maximum overdrive after this conflict is over. The biggest Z you’re going to see after that point is the one in “zrada”

>>2924668
He was one of those "voenkors" who screamed loudest about every Ukrainian internet counteroffensiyv

Details from the counteroink.

>>2924707
>British Forces Broadcasting Service
Oof.
>Used ground drones to trick the Russians into thinking there’s a larger force advancing
So how do they keep the territory if there actually isn’t that many of them?
>Putin in his bunker
Lmao
>rigging a Soviet-era BTR with ancient anti-tank mines and modifying it with expensive robotics to remotely drive it into Russian defences, ISIS-style
>3D animation of it being loaded up and driven over dragons teeth and exploding, suddenly becoming brief clip of it actually exploding somewhere of no importance
That was a lot of effort to recycle a video of a BTR driving over an anti-tank mine as proof of Ukraine successfully employing Islamist militia tactics.
>Like Kursk it complicates logistics
Amazing that failing to capture territory in Kursk even gets mentioned anymore, let alone in the context of Ukrainian successes.

>>2924668
>we are the new elite of the country
Zigger forgot he is just a zigger and not a cucktinite piglet eating the budget. Fuckin retard thought he can encroach on the oligarchs' domain. Ziggers never learn. Socialism was tried in the wrong place.

>>2924725
>Socialism was tried in the wrong place.
By all means feel free to try in the correct place.

>>2924736
You cannot "try" socialism in the "correct place". You need to get the whole world to implement socialism. This is basic Marxism. Read Bordiga and stop pointing to failed capitalist reactions like the USSR and China as examples of "socialism".

>>2924746
>bordiga

Troll confirmed and opinions discarded

>>2924707
wait a minute, i remember when russians started using t54 suicide tanks filled with explosives to breach into gaps of ukrainian defenses, the ukrops ridiculed it for being "primitive" and now they are literally doing the same thing? pathetic

>>2924668
>>2924707
also samefagging nafoid

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Explain this

>>2924858
It's a Long Jeanne Silver reference!

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World first example of battle use of active drone defence on tanks

>>2924860
drones and miniaturization means that inside a century armies will just be grey go nanobots

>>2924861
*grey goo nanobots

>>2924570
>Its not against planned economies - the prc economy is deeply planned from 1978 to the present day. Its about the resolution and detail of the planning - are we doing planning down to every single shoe that gets made? Because if so the coordination technology needs to be much better than was available to gosplan.
Engels made the same point when shitting on the bourgeois socialist Rodbertus:

<Only through the undervaluation or overvaluation of products is it forcibly brought home to the individual commodity producers what society requires or does not require and in what amounts. But it is precisely this sole regulator that the utopia advocated by Rodbertus among others wishes to abolish. And if we then ask what guarantee we have that necessary quantity and not more of each product will be produced, that we shall not go hungry in regard to corn and meat while we are choked in beet sugar and drowned in potato spirit, that we shall not lack trousers to cover our nakedness while trouser buttons flood us by the million – Rodbertus triumphantly shows us his splendid calculation, according to which the correct certificate has been handed out for every superfluous pound of sugar, for every unsold barrel of spirit, for every unusable trouser button, a calculation which “works out” exactly, and according to which “all claims will be satisfied and the liquidation correctly brought about. […] And now consider the naiveté with which Rodbertus would abolish industrial and commercial crises by means of his utopia. As soon as the production of commodities has assumed world market dimensions, the evening-out between the individual producers who produce for private account and the market for which they produce, which in respect of quantity and quality of demand is more or less unknown to them, is established by means of a storm on the world market, by a commercial crisis. If now competition is to be forbidden to make the individual producers aware, by a rise or fall in prices, how the world market stands, then they are completely blindfolded. To institute the production of commodities in such a fashion that the producers can no longer learn anything about the state of the market for which they are producing – that indeed is a cure for the crisis disease which could make Dr. Eisenbart envious of Rodbertus.


  • Friedrich Engels, Preface to Poverty of Philosophy, First German Edition, 1885

>>2924864
>read this bullshit defending commodity production
I don't give a single fuck about anti-Communist Dengist class collaborationists like Engels. When Communism comes we're going to burn you alive with your Labubus.

>>2924746
>the guys rambling about "ziggers" turn out to be an absolute retard
unsurprising

Status status?
>who is coping?
>who is seething.
>who is WINNING?

>>2924860
>Going head on
NGMI anyway

Speaking of Tonks, errr what?

>>2924942
What the fuck is the point of armor at all in our drone age?

>>2924957
Big boolet. The point of tanks is to provide mobile firepower, the armour is there first and foremost just to protect the crew from small arms fire and shrapnel while moving a cannon around the battlefield. Shrugging off anti-tank munitions is a different concern all together, a mitigation against something that exists for the purpose of destroying tanks.

FPV drones are just the modern equivalent to the Panzerfaust ultimately.

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>Both sides lose an average of 2,000–2,300 soldiers per day combined.

>>2924864
The fucking florid prose of the 1800s is intolerable. Your sentence should have 2 or 3 clauses max - not 5 nested clauses and random illustrative anecdotes sprinkled. This is what made kapital a slog as well ffs.

>>2925196
>how the war has stalled

Lies, Ukraine is about to collapse any minute now and new massive super Russian offensive will reach Poland soon.

Just look at these pictures of nazis, that video of busification and this swentr article on how everything goes according to plan. Also, don't forget Trump is our guy.

>>2925233
>swentr article
Don't you mean SIMPlicius substack? That retard got reposted in these threads so many times that I think he must have personal access to Cucktin's cuck chair or something.

>>2925233
>>2925237
Reminder that this sarcasm depends on accepting that all in Ukraine is worth sacrificing to keep Zelensky as president.

>>2925233
Is Ukraine really advancing now with blistering speed? has the tide turned. Or is this just ukie and nafo cope like it was the N:th times before

>>2925248
What is certain is that Russians are stuck and Ukraine didn't collapse as fast as they have hoped by looking at what happened to the afghan army…

this koran-ukrainian drama recently has been really funny

>>2925275
arr asian rook same

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Road out of of of Kiev

Also Russia has begun strikes against bridges in Kiev

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oh, no, the mcdonald's….

>>2924746
name one modern-day alive leader that you don't go around publicly criticizing that you would love to succeed. I'll wait 💅💅💅

>>2925309
>🇷🇺⚡Moment of impact on the Northern bridge in Kiev.


>>2925342
Wow dude you owned him so much by pointing out he doesn't worship any bourgeois executive

https://imgur.com/a/yU3T2r5
latest events in ukraine
no idea why leftypol refuse the upload, its under the limit stated in the faq but it still says file too big

>>2924746
>slavery,feudalism,capitalism ? you can do all that in one country and then expand when the time is right,socialism ? nah that needs spontaneous adoption by the entire world at the same time in the span of one year or it's over

>>2925418
Whoa uyghur, do you expect me to read all that shit?

>>2925391
nothing that challenges the world status quo? gotcha. you prefer to hold on to dead people that doesn't threat the status quo.

>>2921050
>”satanic”

>>2925199
Read more you brainlet


>>2925523
<Only through the undervaluation or overvaluation of products is it forcibly brought home to the individual commodity producers what society requires or does not require and in what amounts. But it is precisely this sole regulator that the utopia advocated by Rodbertus among others wishes to abolish.

>price signals indicate shortages/surpluses and their magnitude. Rodbertus wishes to abolish them.



Why small sentence when florid prose testing your perspicacity and exemplyifying your superior vocabulary, and thus by objective inference, your superior intellect, can be demonstrated?

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Wait, what do you mean GDP growth is crippling an economy???????

Ukrainian training regimen

>>2925516
Dead people, at least those who died from assassinations or coups, tend to be those who threaten the status quo thobeit.

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>tfw too revolutionary to live

>>2925639
Looks more like a humiliation ritual. When most recruits in Ukraine get a month of training they really should use it for something more productive.

>>2925677
lol, lmao even.

>>2925680
yiiiuuup, that’s the level of reactionary trolls we’re dealing with: people waiting for zombies to claw out of their graves and start the revolution. because I don't see how else dead people is a threat to the status quo beyond people actually threatening the status quo
>inb4 it isn't (>>2925677)

the truck loaded with pigs called nato/eu screeching at every turn and stop says otherwise.

>>2925685
If Prigozhin wasn't a threat he would still be alive today.

>>2925705
True, Putin is alive because he doesn't rock the boat, just running around in donbass since 2014 for the eternal svo

Who is winning the war so far?

>>2925727
Winning: China and USA
Losing: Ukraine, Russia, EU

>>2925762
>USA is winning
What part of USA is winning, it's people or it's bourgeoisie?

>>2925780
both. amerikkkans are feasting off the EU's deindustrializtion and economic collapse. the only reason they don't realize it is because the iran war fucked up gas prices so much they can't feel the prosperity anymore.

>>2925705
Leaving a mutineer military leader alive and not face any punishment is a bad practice and only encourages such behavior in the future. He even returned from exile to Russia on his own.

>>2925811
>amerikkkans are feasting
They are poorer than European, on average

>Trump: no more small smokey fires, especially ones that damages US owned assets because muh diesel
>Zelensky: fuck you no one tells me what to do
>Trump: oh okay then I’ll keep supporting you doing anything then
Yeah the Cum Trumpster is really making the US look like it’s in the driving seat rather than Ukraine.

>>2925939
Kinda pathetic that ziggers expect trump to save them.

>>2925942
Where was that said? Trump made a demand to Ukraine, got told to go fuck himself without consequence, now it looks like Zelensky is more important than the President of the United States.

If MAGA was anti-war on the basis that Biden was humiliating the country by seemingly letting Zelensky drive (and they were), then the Trumpster has doubly humiliated the US by making it obvious that so long as Russian soldiers are dying then Zelensky is in fact in the driving seat.

>>2925939
based zelensky tbh. if only cucktin demonstrated such firm resolve against trump instead of constantly giving him blowjobs.


>>2925991
>based
Based my ass. Zelensky obviously couldn't give less of an ass about his country's sovereignty, longevity, or solvency beyond this war. He's clearly doing everything to protect his political image and enable his cronies to make off like thieves. It's easy to look strong when you're getting bailed out no matter what and there are no real consequences to corruption.

>>2925275
To be fair, the conversation apparently started about Ukrainians/Ukraine being culpable as part of the Soviet Union for taking part in the Korean War or something like that.

>>2925991
>Homoeroticism in lieu of actual examples of your point
Ding ding goes the cliche bell

Russia participates in peace talks whenever they’re requested, because the flaw in those peace talks becomes obvious as soon as they’re had. The West “wants peace” like a crack addict wants to kick their addiction. It costs a lot of money, their populations were explicitly against more forever wars, weapons are being expended for which the industry to replace them no longer exists, being cut off from a major energy provider for the benefit of a corrupt state, etc BUT they just can’t just walk away from doing damage to Russia, it’s a once in a century opportunity, so they’ve got to make the most of for while it’s not going nuclear. It’s not a pretty sight for anyone who isn’t bound and gagged by their own Russophobia.

Russia showing up for peace talks requested by the West who ironically very clearly doesn’t want them is an act against Russophobia. Russia is presented in the extreme as an authoritarian state, led by a mad man dictator, who cannot understand concepts like diplomacy and attacks Ukraine out of hatred of democracy, basically the kind of state that would never even show up to peace talks if offered.

Uh-oh, they showed up and appear like they’re earnest in seeking a solution, errr flip the script! Now Russia is the other extreme, run by a cuck, they’re pussies for showing up to peace talks, they’re sucking America’s cock, etc, etc meanwhile people concerns about forever wars and economic collapse goes on presumably less impressed by this script flip than our resident cucktin posters are.

<Moscow police detained about 60 people at an authorized Communist Party rally on Oct. 4 after participants began chanting anti-Kremlin slogans, according to the party and Russian rights group OVD-Info.

<The rally marked the anniversary of Russia's 1993 constitutional crisis, when a standoff between President Boris Yeltsin and hard-line lawmakers culminated in the military shelling the parliament building in Moscow. Authorities said 123 people were killed, while unofficial estimates put the toll in the hundreds.


<The Communist Party has organized annual events as a symbol of resistance to Yeltsin-era reforms, but this year's authorized rally took a turn as participants chanted slogans including "Freedom for political prisoners," "For fair elections," and "Down with the Tsar."


<OVD-Info says participants also chanted “No to political repression,” “Down with Roskomnadzor,” and “Down with the party of crooks and thieves.”


https://kyivindependent.com/dozens-detained-at-authorized-communist-party-rally-after-chants-of-down-with-the-tsar/

>>2926321
Wonder how united russia zigger libs will spin that

>>2926331
Ziggers? Surely it’s anti-campists who never stop spinning between the KPRF being controlled opposition who never disagree with the Kremlin and their arrests for disagreeing with the Kremlin as proof of Russia being the most anti-communist state in Eurasia.

>>2926340
Didn't get the information package from the Kremlin yet I see

>>2926342
Just had to reply with something, didn’t you? Lmao

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>>2925811
>bro it's real even if you can't feel it
is the prosperity in the room with us now?

How will the eternal science of Yeltsinism-Putinism deal with the Siberian plague, what does it mean for the svo??

>>2926360
What plague?

>>2926340
touche

>>2926419
I genuinely hadn’t heard anything about a plague in Siberia (other than an increase in the bear population). But I’ve just seen it come up on Xitter now, lots of variation on the story but one common conclusion
>BAN ALL AIR TRAFFIC TO RUSSIA NOW!
which I’m pretty sure was Zelensky’s plan from a month ago.

Bro has a point

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>Mr Krab’s warnings have been discredited

>>2926530
Its circling in western news. Even if its real its a nothingburger because plague is easily treatable by modern antibiotics because its bacterial and not a virus.

>>2926541
I’m sure it’s just le hybrid warfare and trying to create hysteria, but this is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. Eventually we’re going to get to unironic reporting entertaining the possibility that Putin is a lizard and the conspiracy theorists were right that lizard people walk among us.

>>2926532
Jacob Rees-Mogg (arch-Tory power politics guy that he is) had an interesting point on Tucker Carlson's show that nuclear weapons alone are not actually a deterrent as much as people think, you also need credible conventional forces. Like hypothetically, if Russia attacked the U.K. in some kind of way, the response would not be for the U.K. to launch its nuclear weapons at Russia, because most likely Russia would not nuke the U.K. but would do something else like sink a warship with a torpedo. But the U.K. would be far more likely to use nukes if the situation was really dire and they were facing a full-on conventional invasion in this sci-fi scenario or a nuclear attack. Anyways, Putin has alluded to Russia's nuclear weapons, but Ukraine attacks Russia anyways with assistance from the Western countries, but he's not going to nuke London (because Russia would also get nuked), and Ukraine can do that despite Russia having nuclear weapons because their conventional forces are not so strong as to force or otherwise deter Ukraine from stopping.

>>2926569
I’ve not watched the interview yet, but if that is his reasoning then it’s flawed because most fears about nuclear war breaking out is over a misunderstanding rather than destroying the entire planet ever being worthwhile (especially when there’s always people willing to accept a new status quo after defeat).

The reason this hasn’t gone nuclear is because NATO’s expansion and aggressive posture towards Russia has developed over the past 30+ years which makes it a known quantity that is less likely to be misunderstood. On the contrary, because Russia hasn’t hitherto expanded, or helped other countries to attack NATO states, or has a general narrative that one day the West will collapse and disappear into irrelevance anyway and actions should therefore be taken to speed that up, etc, Russia suddenly sinking a British (nuclear armed) submarine would come as a massive shock to London and could entirely be misunderstood as the opening gambit for a potentially nuclear war.

Basically the West trying to “discretely” speed up Russia’s “inevitable” collapse isn’t anything new, that’s been the day-to-day reality for the Russian state for about three decades. Perhaps how indiscreet that has become via Ukraine is a shock, but the West’s motives and goals are anything but.

That’s why we’re not all dead already, but it sounds like Rees-Mogg is just playing the “all’s fair in love and war” card and pretending like a Trident sub being sunk by the Russians would be accepted as Russia accepts NATO doing all but pressing the launch button for an attack on Russian naval assets.

>>2924884
>Who is coping
Everyone
>Who is seething
Everyone
>Who is WINNING?
The bourgeoisie
>>2922695
>Russia is a reflection of the soul of humanity
>If you're against Russia, you hate humanity. Russia cannot be evil.
>Russia is intrinsically good. Doesn't even matter who's in charge.
>civilizational state
Biggest bangers since two holes theory
>if Russia's not successful, they will be condemning themselves and the people o Ukraine and the people of Belarus to decades, maybe even a century, of conflict and bloodshed and suffering and misery.
Like what's happening already?
>So, this is why I support Russia always. Doesn't matter what the politics are actually in terms of who's in power.
So what does this have to do with class conflict?

>>2926589
And I guess that’s why he is all for attacking Russia with British made weapons bought with British money, that if the shoe was on the other foot then of course London wouldn’t overreact either.

The TL;DR is the conflict is decades old and it’s already established that NATO wants 1991 to happen again while Russia does not want this to happen, neither side needs to use nuclear weapons to achieve their goals. Russia overturning that established status quo and putting NATO on the defensive would be ripe with opportunities for the misunderstandings people actually fear would result in launching nukes.

>>2925939
Well, it was obvious that trump is the one making the shots there. he simply plays dumb. 'muh self-determination' card plaid here is not even entertaining, when they have decisively destroyed entire states countless of times.
In any case, it was obvious he wasn't going to let Russia have the indisputable win in this conflict in peace.

>>2926321
>Ziggers will look you in the eye and say that suppressing Communists is based because Putin is more important o algo

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>>2926360
They will send revived soldiers with juche necromancy to the front lines and infect the garden with the Orcish shamanics and witches curses. The results will be another pandemic where right wing governments collapse.

>>2926632
Of course, but I think it is true that Zelensky is completely untouchable for while he is the lynchpin that keeps the conflict going at Ukraine’s sacrifice, while it is still technically possible (and likely) for Trump to be impeached if he did for some reason decide that Zelensky being a mouthy cunt warranted greater consequences than just performatively telling him off on camera once.

>>2926644
Yeah. They can't allow the ukrainian state to suffer a political crisis, which could lead to a collapse. This is also part of why they are aiding economically so much that government.. That's why zelya not only feels untouchable and that's why so many corruption scandals around him are exposed.
Look at the morons coming here to slander Russia because some kids with red slogans were arrested, as if the Russian state will allow jeopardize itself while the nazi counterpart is kept artificially alive precisely to avoid the same thing.

>>2925708
Putin is alive because the Russian state wants him so. Do you seriously believe if it weren't for the nukes the US wouldn't have him killed?
lol, lmao even.

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>>2926532
>>2926569
incredibly dumb people you are. yeah.

>>2926661
Russian generals constantly get assassinated by Ukraine. If America wanted to they could also get Putin. They're keeping him alive because he is a weak cuck and the person who replaces him might actually be a threat.
Also:
>The russian state wants him alive
No, the Russian oligarchy wants him alive.
>>2926663
Maduro successfully cucked America multiple times so they attacked him. That's proof Maduro was an actual threat in comparison to Putin.

possible happening?

>Alleged Mutiny Reported in Ukraine

>Kyiv, Ukraine — Reports are emerging of an alleged mutiny involving Ukrainian military personnel, though authorities have not confirmed the claims.
>Unverified reports suggest several units may have refused orders amid growing tensions within the armed forces. Ukrainian officials have declined to comment, while military sources insist the situation remains under control.
>Further details are expected as authorities investigate the allegations.

>>2926667
Vague ass article

>>2926666
two things remarkable about your post:
  • being dumb
  • the quads get.

anything else 🚮

>>2926666
>the state and the bourgeoisie are separate entities
Deary me.

>If America wanted to they could also get Putin.

Oh deary me.

>>2926655
Well their flip flopping on whether the KPRF is controlled opposition or not is always from angles that are most convenient for the West, surprisingly for anti-campists.
>KPRF is controlled opposition
<If they were true communists then they’d rise up and provide the political instability that western imperialists seek
>KPRF is not controlled opposition
<Look at the arrests! That would never happen to any one of Europe’s communist parties that number 16 members a piece and all on the verge of splitting! The West must win so that communists can campaign freely as the second largest party!

>>2926677
They want to hold on to dead people as a threat to the global status quo. They can't accept that the truck full of pigs* named the neoliberal establishment (us/nato/eu), with its fascistic roots and filo-fascist members, are screeching at every turn, at every stop, and at every start, when they ride Russia's road, it's a undeniable sign of threat to the global status quo.
Nukes? nah,
>Putin plays along, he doesn't need them, because they don't do anything!
>H-h-he never rolled back neoliberalism, reeeee
Insane people, I swear.

Anyway, some UKR_Leaks (EN)
>Poland should receive a detailed report from Ukraine regarding the fate of the billions of euros and military equipment transferred to it, stated former Polish Prime Minister Leszek Miller.

<No one asks what happened to the billions of euros we handed over. Mr. Zelensky simply comes along and says 'give,' and we give, he said.


>Miller emphasized that if Warsaw does not receive a "detailed report" on the fate of the funds and equipment, support for Kiev "should be suspended."

>The head of the Lvov region, Kozytskyi, paid tribute to a Nazi who fought against Soviet partisans during the war.

>Zenon Vrublevskyi died in Lvov at the age of 99. During the war, he joined the SS combat group "Bayersdorf." They primarily fought against the partisans led by the legendary Kovpak; even members of the UPA disliked them because of their oath of allegiance to Hitler.

>Ukrainian Foreign Minister Sybiga stated that four truce options are currently being considered.

<We have four proposals. India's proposal is the most comprehensive. We are open to an energy and Black Sea truce, but only in that combination, he added.


I haven't heard or read about that proposal. What does it include? How does it even work?

New SVO timetable just dropped.

>>2926532
>Putin's threats no longer work
Well, if they didn't NATO could have just directly attacked them instead of hiding behind Ukkkraine

>>2926611
How is this pushing going so far for Russia?

>>2926764
nato is bombing moscow every week though

>>2926666
This, it's funny because Russia can't even zerg rush since Kyiv kill the overlords whenever it wants

>>2926682
only if they get killed and overthrow Putin is that they are not fake opposition!
Same principle, were to apply to people ITT, I would start calling them fake communists those ITT.

>>2926765
Well the indiscretion is at least costing NATO more than covertly funding some NGOs. One of the intended results of NATO expansionism is raising Russia's defence spending anyway (similar to the Strategic Defense Initiative of the 80s), what's unintended is NATO also having to spend billions for this expansion but that's the outcome of Russia pushing back.

Reagan's "Star Wars" may have been utter bollocks, but the Ukrainian elite's new Spanish villas are very real and they are surprisingly expensive.

>>2926785
The zerg rush accusation depends on concurrently accusing Russia of having incompetent military leadership, you've reached retardation levels that shouldn't be possible.

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>>2926849
the zerg rush recommendation depends solely on the knowledge what russians are good for
wagner pcm utilized it and that was the last time russian forces advanced at a fast pace

>>2926532
Russia/Ukraine and Iran/Israel and the attempted oil blockade of China all but prove the old conspiracy that nukes either aren't real or aren't as powerful as portrayed in propaganda, maybe hardly better than MOABs. The line in the Cold War was that you could never attack a nuclear power because it'd be over, so you have to do proxy wars. Now everyone admits yeah, you can just attack them, or blockade them (an act of war), it's fine.

>>2927010
Or it proves that they are at least as strong than in propaganda, so you can afford to actually use them on another country right at your borders without irradiating yourself for the next 20 years

>>2927018
can't*

People really lack a sense of scale if they think nuclear weapons are deterrence against any attack or aggression, rather than something that deters specifically WW3.

Like I can’t comprehend the Spurdo mindset that thinks a handful of drones, launched by proxy, landing on the outskirts of Moscow to cause economic damage, is comparable to NATO mobilising millions for an invasion of Russia and both therefore equally warrant crossing the nuclear Rubicon.

But of course that is dangerous in the sense that people can (and have) become deluded in believing that because attacks which are intended to be merely nuisances or embarrassing for Russia haven’t resulted in us using bottle caps for currency, then surely WW3 is actually on the table and we can safely start talking about mass mobilisation to “finish Russia off” and be back in time for Christmas.

But short of Russia preemptively ending the world just to prove a point, what can be done to clear up such delusions? To my point earlier, Russia flipping 30 years of its defensive stance to start attacking NATO’s Estonian military bases or sinking British subs and putting NATO on the defence, is precisely the circumstance that can be misunderstood as the start of WW3 and result in the end of the world by perceived retaliation.

I can only suspect this delusional spiral ends when NATO does something stupid and immediately scares themselves.

>>2927028
>People really lack a sense of scale if they think nuclear weapons are deterrence against any attack or aggression
North Korea seems to think they're fine enough to block any war. Why are nukes not enough for Russia?

>>2927045
but they are! difference is russia is the attacking side yet it carefully picks targets without nuclear capability

>>2927038
>But short of Russia preemptively ending the world just to prove a point, what can be done to clear up such delusions? To my point earlier, Russia flipping 30 years of its defensive stance to start attacking NATO’s Estonian military bases or sinking British subs and putting NATO on the defence, is precisely the circumstance that can be misunderstood as the start of WW3 and result in the end of the world by perceived retaliation.
you should definitely do that, nothing could make me happier

>>2927045
because North Korea is not an imperialist state like Russia

>>2927045
WW3 with Russia isn’t going to happen because of their nukes, the Korean War kicking off again isn’t going to happen because of their nukes, NATO trying to economically strangle the life out of both is currently happening despite their nukes.

What exactly was your point?

>>2927070
a conflict with russia wouldn't be a third world war any more than invasion of afghanistan was a world war. for a world war you need world-wide alliances on both sides.

>>2927076
Have we forgotten the term “Axis of Evil” already? Or “Beyond the Axis of Evil” or “CRINK: Evil Axis Boogaloo”?

>>2927095
>Axis of Evil
remind me what iran or nk were doing during invasion of iraq
or better yet explain who and why would step up for russia

>>2927135
Being evil in an axial kind of way, it doesn’t really matter because it’s the West that convinces itself that there’s a strongly united alliance against them.

>>2927212
cool. so which of those imagined axis of evil countries would have stuck up with russia in an eventual nato conflict nobilitating it to a world war status?

>>2927070
>NATO trying to economically strangle the life out of both is currently happening despite their nukes.
The sanctions on Russia only kicked in after Putin invaded, thobeit. If they hadn't the Russian economy would not have been placed under pressure. Also if your prime concern is economic sanctions, going to war only accelerates economic decline and technological regression due to the extra strain on the economy from increased military spending. A nation at peace being sanctioned can handle it better than a nation at war being sanctioned.

>>2927135
>or better yet explain who and why would step up for russia
China, a nato aligned russia/russia hostile to China would be a red line. it would probably start out as a sort of lend lease, not actual troops but that could change if the Nato gets actual involves

>going to war only accelerates economic decline and technological regression due to the extra strain on the economy from increased military spending. A nation at peace being sanctioned can handle it better than a nation at war being sanctioned.
Incorrect since a war economy, especially those practiced during WW2, can boost the economy massively, a big reason why Nazis lost was because they went into a war economy mode rather late. The issue arises after the war is over. As much as the cope news loves talking about an existing "war economy" in Russia, its not really true. Currently its economy function more in the style of a keynesian socdem one, a far cry from an actual planned war economy since that would entail curbing consumption. Your last sentence is disproven by the experience of Cuba and the DPRK. Cuba, at peace and sanctioned, struggling massively, DPRK on the other hand, also sanctioned and technically still at war, doing fine. In fact, DPRK should realistically be doing much worse since its relationship with most "developed" countries is so much worse than even Cubas.

>>2927248
try again
china is dependent on trading with >the west moreover it would never under no circumstance endanger it's bottom line for anyone

>>2927271
>try again china is dependent on trading with >the west moreover it would never under no circumstance endanger it's bottom line for anyone
no because the west would find any excuse to sanction China anyway and Chinas bottom line would be affected by a hostile Russia

>>2927045
NK have massive conventional forces too. Its a deterrent against the US nuking/carpet bombing them

>>2927275
like they do now?

glad this has finally been settled by objective means

>>2927405
Keep in mind that the key reason liberals and western leftists despise X is because it’s no longer a safe space to cheer on Generalplan Ost 2

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>>2927405
What is Elon's plan?

>>2927405
what was the prompt?

>>2927405
Prob a targeted prompt. The average grok's response is Russia bad.

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Well, apparently a rada MP is drafting a law where she puts ukraine as a neutral state, where they won't joining any military alliance (namely, includes nato).
Problem is, the constitution of ukraine doesn't allow this.

Article 154 kills it at the door. A constitutional amendment bill may be submitted only by the President or no fewer than one-third of the constitutional composition of the Rada, 150 MPs (theoretically, lmao. Everyone knows the rada has like 100 members only). The Constitutional Court restated this in 2016: such a bill is submitted only by one of the subjects defined in Article 154. One deputy has no standing to introduce it. Reporting says Skorokhod submitted it alone, which makes the filing procedurally void on its face.
And then there's article 157.
>"Конституція України не може бути змінена в умовах воєнного або надзвичайного стану." (Art. 157, ukrainian constitution)
Or:
>The Constitution of Ukraine may not be amended under conditions of martial law or a state of emergency.
Article 159 blocks consideration. The Rada may not even examine an amendment bill without a Constitutional Court opinion on conformity with Articles 157 and 158. That opinion would have to address martial law, and the answer is already determined.

>>2927668
Can't wait for Zelensky to pass this unilaterally with an executive order and for Russia's complaints to be revealed as the lies they are. Ukraine blocking itself from joining NATO only to have Russia continue to wage war against them proving that the Russians were lying all along would be hilarious.

>>2927671
That was the primary requirement to avoid open conflict.

Ukraine thinking they can opt for a ground war instead and then after 5 years of making postage stamps celebrating the car bombing of civilians, droning civilian infrastructure and even making threats to civil aviation, come back to the negotiating table fully expecting the same terms as 2022 is clearly funnier.

But I’m glad you’ve already prepared your response for the inevitable.

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Oh boi I will be laffin when Ukraine shows up to negotiate their surrender from a position that is both delusional and would have made fighting pointless anyway!

>>2927671
Russia can't accept this. Even if it isn't challenged today, another administration can declare it's void, and resume hostilities.

>>2927683
It’s actually quite sad to consider that Ukraine made itself legally bound to join NATO or die trying in 2019, when Zelensky won the election on a campaign promise to restore peace.

Russia will launch the nukes before it admits defeat and lets itself be recolonised by western powers. Silly war with obvious outcome, do the western powers want nuclear war?

>>2927685
Russia will annex half of Ukraine and the war will end in a wet brap as the bounties of the great pobeda will be a bunch of thirdie-tier blown up villages and some resources in Donbass

>>2927685
the way war is going they have already lost. I don't think any of their allies (China, India, Brazil, etc.) appreciate their unhinginess. And they also remilitarized Europe and made them more fascistic.

the definition of being dumb:
Russia lost ✅
but Ukraine can't kick them out, and keep losing more ground every day: ✅
and since when europe de-militarized? for them to go to invade afghanistan, iraq, syria, and lybia, they had to be militarized.

>A Ukrainian Armed Forces instructor admitted that he never once saw Russian troops mistreating civilians.

>His own fellow soldiers, however, regularly engaged in looting.


<I remember very well how we took things from people. It’s a profession—looter, he said.

Here in Russia people think that Russia lost the war. it is pointless and stupid. SMO achieved absolutely nothing. It wasn't Crimea part 2.

>The Ukrainian Cabinet plans to dismiss over 4,000 people as part of efforts to streamline and improve the efficiency of the state apparatus, Prime Minister Koretskyi stated.

>The Omega-Telecom data center in Kiev has ceased operations following an air strike.
based. no more ai, no more hydric resources spending.

>The "European Solidarity" party has expelled Aleksey Goncharenko* from its parliamentary faction for calling for the start of peace negotiations with Russia, the faction said in a statement.

>Statement:

<Let’s signal that we are ready to talk about neutrality. The terms can be negotiated. We will continue cooperating with NATO just as we do now. We will create a common European budget to fund our army. We will work on rearmament. But we need to talk, writes Goncharenko.

>>2927705
>t. White night enjoyers

>>2927707
Should have been called Sigma-Basedcom, then it’d be fine

>>2927699
It's obvious that the poster was referring to degrees of militarization. One of the goals of the US in Ukraine and Iran is to cause enough trouble in Eurasia that the EU can go ahead in pursuing an Americanized budget and cut social spending for arms spending, while maintaining its dependence on US weapons and energy. That plan has worked amazingly well for now. The next step would be to blow up the EU from the inside or weaken it further by helping elect the faux-MAGA eurosceptics and scam artists like Weidel and Le Pen, which also seems to be going well as far-right parties are leading across the board, in part due to the economic turmoil imposed on Europe by the US harming the incumbent liberals. We're witnessing the Yeltsinification of Europe brought about by the convergence of the wills of a faction of Europorky, the US, and Russia. It's an interesting trainwreck.

>>2927706
I can already see it on Xitter
>Erm ackshually the people voted for Zelensky, sooo why do other people get to disagree with him and slow down his decision making?
I sincerely hope this conflict gets immediately forgotten by libs, because they’ve really pulled out all the stops to “prove” that the purest democracy is one which revolves around a single individual, for whom all is worth sacrificing, whose lies are but clever tricks to fool the enemy, whose ministers are fanatically loyal until corruption reveals their pro-Russian agenda, who can expect everyone to willingly lay down their lives to protect his mandate in perpetuity, etc

Like, I get libs are fucking stupid and their awareness of what a dictator is probably comes down to portraits of someone wearing a beret with sunglasses, but at what point do they even start to flinch at what is deemed necessary to “protect democracy” in Ukraine?

>>2927713
I am sorry but this is nothing but a speculative fiction based on wishful thinking. There is no empirical evidence of such happening ever. Even USA fiasco will dissipate after midterms. On the contrary, there are evidence of decade long actual fascist dictatorships forming in similar conditions that did not end in socialist revolutions but just fade into liberalism again.

Russian journalist Leonid Ragozin is getting kicked the fuck out of Latvia for not being pro-Ukraine enough, the irony of course is NAFOids gloating and telling him to enjoy the lack of free press in Russia.

>>2927748
He wrote some stupid article for Jacobin recently. Editors forgot to fact check it for the fallacies about the billionaires mentioned in it. No surprise here.

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>>2927713
>One of the goals of the US in Ukraine and Iran is to cause enough trouble in Eurasia that the EU can go ahead in pursuing an Americanized budget and cut social spending for arms spending, while maintaining its dependence on US weapons and energy.

But they have been cutting social expenditures since the fall of the USSR.
The point of the GINI values regressing across all neolib states to points of high inequality, since the 90s is that it's not speculation to argue whether it's Russia's fault, or Russia's miscalculation, or not that the SMO served to european bourgeoisie interests. Because it's not Russia's fault or Russia's miscalculation. You could argue they are using this towards more militarism or not, but the graphs tell the story that it's a mixed bag. Since the 90s, they reduced, after 2014, the 2% pledge, they have been pushing for it. But in both scenarios the SMO isn't exactly a decisive factor.

>>2927785
Not saying it's Russia's fault per se, the poster above said that. They are one factor though. The SMO benefits American porky primarily and through that gives an opportunity for Euro-Atlanticist-Militarist porky and Right-Atlanticist-Comprador porky to renew militarization, open suppression of civil society elements they find uncomfortable and labor etc.

>>2927813
Anon, the reality is not that the SMO benefits American porkies, the reality is that the porkies benefit from an inactive, dull, propagandized and lenient population. That's it. They don't need an SMO to be reactionary. Their population will uncritically accept the Nayirah al-Sabahs, the Douma chemical attacks, the Saddam Hussein WMDs, the Maduro is a dictator and drug trafficker, and they will do nothing. Note that all my examples are fabrications, point being: They don't need actions, because they can invent them, because they know they get little to no push back.

>>2926591
>Like what's happening already?
You're so right it's natos entries' fault for resisting nato causing nato to attack them your sex trafficking has obviously made you so wise

>>2927231
>The sanctions on Russia only kicked in after Putin invaded, thobeit.

They happened after nato overthrew Ukraine’s government and empowered a government with genocidal intentions specifically for the purposes of waging war on Russia. The sanctions are a continuation of preexisting policy, not a reaction to Russia actions.

>>2927658
It actually wasn't, I saw it reposted. No targeted bias in the prompt, Grok clearly had one of those glitches where she becomes self-aware for a microsecond.

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>>2928033
>she
Watch your pronouns. IT.
Now, jokes aside.
>No targeted bias in the prompt
Curious. Whenever I ask something like the state of Cuba or Venezuela services, salaries and problems, these ai never put sanctions as the underlying cause of the problems.
And if I ask to contextualize in the prompt sanctions, thy run to say it a 'narrative impulse by the government of (Cuba, Venezuela), while my big awesome chungus independent international experts point des-investment and lack of expertise, corruption and abandonment as the culprits' As if there aren't any independent international experts also pointing out that sanctions are the underlying cause.
Well, glitches in the matrix be welcomed.

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>>2927785
Easy for baltic microstates to do +1.9% increases to GDP since their GDP and military spending was so minuscule to begin with. Law of small numbers and all that.

>>2927777
Based on what I’ve seen, it comes down to Ragozin suggesting (reasonably) that rhetoric which is aggressive towards Russians like calling them Orcs and Vatniks and shit plays into Putin’s claims of NATO’s hostile intention. That is apparently the reason why Baltoids claim he is a Russia agent, should be deported back to Russia and then thrown out of a window.

I've been wondering, what were the goals of the invasion, I never quite understood it, even after nearly 5 years

>>2928372
It was about published slander regarding Usmanov and Fridman sanction lift. Rogozin wrote that Baltic states lifted sanctions on oligarchs while hypocritically keeps sanction on poor Russians. This statement wasn't only false but complete opposite of truth, because Baltic states not only individually instituted sanctions against them after the lift, but also tried to veto the lift in the European parliament.

>>2928375
This war makes more sense if you look at it like a USSR civil war but with liberal governments on both sides.

>>2928377
I’ve seen an article on Politico points to him speaking on the Grayzone podcast
>“They always consider themselves as the underdogs and as the side that is being under constant pressure from the West, encroaching on its sphere of influence, on its strategic interests. It compels them to respond to hybrid actions, to clandestine actions, to sort of invisible actions that change the landscape in the former Soviet Union,” added Ragozin, in remarks that stirred fury in Latvia.
which if that is the case, then it’s essentially as I’ve read the situation on Xitter. He makes the case that decades of attacking Russia means you can’t Pikachu Face when Russia responds and Russians are unmoved by their responses, which rather than being a “no-duh” moment is treated as pro-Russian propaganda.

>>2928385
Whatever the inner reason for deportation was, he made a mistake by lying as a journalist about some trivial topic with all the receipts on the table instead of writing something more ambiguous. He has only himself to blame for the deportation to Russia.

>>2928400
It really doesn’t seem like it’s a factual error in one article that’s gotten him deported to mass applause.

He is a Russian dissident, clearly the expectation is for him to be as unfairly critical of Russia (and as unfairly uncritical of the West and Ukraine) as NATO’s most warmongering staff, anything less means he’s ackshually a Russian agent. Like I asked earlier, at what point to libs start flinching at all of this “protection” rather than cheering it on?


>>2928406
Yeah the general sense in the comments is as I see now. Baltoids wanting to have their cake and eat it too, where the expectation is that Russians should just sorta like “get it” when they’re endlessly shitposting about how Russia is responsible for everything bad in the Baltics/the entire world, and if they don’t “just get it” then they must be either paid Russian agents or just useful idiots.

It’s obvious to them that it’s a bandwagon and you’re either on it or you’re off it.

>>2928415
So as I said. They wanted to get rid of him long time ago and he has gifted them a justification to do so.

>>2928419
They don’t need a reason when public support is there and seemingly Latvians were convinced they’re riddled with Kremlin agents and useful idiots well before the Jacobin article you’re for some reason fixated on.

I presume it’s because you feel that is one example where the accusation of journalistic malpractice is justified and the deportation therefore justified, but it’s obvious that you’re the only one who cares if this isn’t just mob justice. The mob seem pleased to just have gotten their way, regardless of why.

>>2928424
So why didn't they deport him before? He only moved to Latvia in 2013 from Russia. What do you want from me even? To tell you some comforting lie?

>>2928428
Because if you haven’t noticed, policies that the libs call authoritarianism elsewhere has also been on the rise recently. Frankly the more support Ukraine receives, the more Ukrainian Western states have become. You can’t expect to cheer on everything Ukraine does as heroic and/or justified and not have that change how people consider law and order at home.

It’s actually pretty fucking bleak how modern Ukraine resembles every bit of Western fearmongering about the USSR/Stalinism, but now the same liberals who peddled such myths about the USSR now praise the reality in Ukraine as admirable.

>>2928433
What I am getting from you is a desire to find some evidence to support your viewpoint. So basically a confirmation bias. You don't want this to be a sketchy due process deportation. You want it to be some case of unlawful violation. Good luck finding that evidence, comrade!

>>2928444
>comrade
Lmao why would just out yourself like that at the end?

Unless you can provide a specific link between the Jacobin article and the order for making Ragozin Persona Non Grata, then you’re just assuming that has relevance and not the years of documented seething at him and overwhelming celebration now.

>>2928448
I think that Russian Federation is a hyper capitalist reactionary state. It is only useful as a tool against NATO imperialism. I don't share your fervor in defending Russia at every instance.

>Unless you provide…

Just make your own shit up, "comrade"

>>2928456
How am I defending Russia by defending one of its dissidents? I’m criticising Latvia, please try to understand the difference.

>Just make your own shit up, "comrade"

So you don’t have a link between the article and the PNG order. Well the Politico article reports
>“Taking into account the information received today from the competent authorities, and after discussions with the Prime Minister and the Minister of the Interior, I have decided to initiate the process of adding another Russian citizen to Latvia’s list of personae non gratae,” said Riga’s Foreign Minister Baiba Braže.
So maybe there is some more official documentation that provides a specific offence, but at least for the public announcement it was enough to state that a private discussion amongst leadership on unspecified information provided by “competent authorities” is the justification for deporting a journalist. The phrase “adding another Russian citizen to Latvia’s list of personae non gratae” making it sound like that in of itself is an achievement is just, well, wonderful for my point.

>>2928458
Well if you want to criticize something you have to have some evidence to base the criticism on. Horse before the wagon, not the other way. You should gather all the information, otherwise it is very naive to expect others to buy in if all you have is "I have seen something".

>>2928466
I’ve provided a Politco article that ostensibly reports direct from the Latvian Foreign Minister, who provides no specifics as justification for the deportation and you provided the evidence that Latvians have considered him a Putin agent for years.

That is to say, I’ve got more than you sunshine.

The Ragozin shit is so fucking funny. Like, they're trying to present fucking cocksucker Libtard Ragozin as a Pro-Russia putler shillbot, the guy that argues against Anne Applebaum she isn't Russiophobic enough and the Soviet Union was the most evil shit ever, worse than Nazi Germany.
The Ragozin Latvia/NAFO saga really highlights the most important point here though, if basically you are not fully on board with literally dropping nukes on Moscow, and you actually try to take into a semi-holistic take on Geopolitics that includes possible Russian responses/reactions. Then you're basically a putin bot shill ZIGGER who deserves no rights and you should be launched out of a cannon at the Russian border.
No matter how much Anti-Russian shitlib traitors, postulate themselves for Westoids, the second you show one drop of a Russian perspective that doesn't line up with Western black and white preconceptions, you are the enemy.
Russian Liberals truly are the most fucking pathetic cucks in existance. Ragozin is just another in the long line of Russian Libtards getting stabbed in the face while the fellate anti-Russian Neocons and hawks, but they keep on doing it. Hopefully NFKRZ next.

And make no mistake, I said “it seems” you said
>It was about published slander regarding Usmanov and Fridman sanction lift.
and provided no evidence for that assertion.

>>2928483
what is wrong with living in Russia though?

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>>2928492
Trumped up charges based on all your anti-russia libshit cocksucking that at one point, will cross over into something kind of treasonous. As a pro-west libshit in Russia, you're basically the equivilent of an Anti-Zionist in Germany or the UK, where the entire media and political goons are just waiting for any slip up to shove you behind bars or drag you into bullshit lawfare battles.
That's why all these dipshits like Ragozin, NFKRZ, Galeev etc are not in Russia, because they are genuinely pro-West libtards, but the problem is, Westerners will always view them as possible undercover SVR agents, and that always shows up if they actually try provide a Russian perspective on something, that 1:1 does not line up with the most deranged NAFO/Necon/Banderite narratives. Even NFKRZ gets fucking shit on relentlessly every time he complains about Western Russiophobia against people "good Russians" like him.

>>2928483
Indeed, but what gets me is how that all then gets followed up by Westoid libs smugly “calling out” Russia for the same thing.
>Wanted to be a Putin shill by trying to make me question the efficacy of myself saying FUCK RUSSIA at any given opportunity with regards to winning hearts and minds in Russia?
<Deported. Have fun being blacklisted from Russian media ;^)

I will add though, the Ragozin shit just proves to Russians, what they say about Westerners and these NAFO politicians and types is correct. At no point will the Russian perspective, ever be treated in good faith in the West, Diplomacy is basically a waste of time with Westerners, and the goal of the West is basically to completely subjugate with a full on puppet regime or balkanize Russia so no Russia exists that can have any possible interest that is not 100% in line with Western capital and politics.

>>2928483
But in this very thread there is a reddit link where it is clearly stated that nobody liked him in 2021 already and wanted him to be investigated by secret services. The narrative that he was turned into public enemy overnight because he said one bad thing does not fit.

>>2928505
They've shit on him for years now because again, he actually does holistically provide the Russian perspective, and how Russia may respond to provocations or actions by the West. Because in the NAFO/Western shiplib mind, the West is perfect angel who dindunuttin ever and all Russian perspectives are illegitmate and disinformation, by trying to take in possible Russian responses, into his analysis (while the overall message is to suck off Ukraine and shit on Russia) it proves he is a traitor.
NAFO types are fucking loons, absolute batshit hawks who genuinely want a genocide against Russians, nukes thrown at Moscow, and think that Russia won't even be able to respond.
Watch the Oxford Union Debate society of Horten and Hitchens vs NAFO faggots, and you will see what I mean. These people in the debate are arguing that the UK should be engaging in NUCLEAR WAR against Russia, and when Hitchens and Horten bring up… you know, the actual consequences of this, the crowd and NAFO faggots all roll their eyes and laugh at them and act like they are being ridiculous to even think Russia could respond.
Balts have been trying to bait Russia into attacking them for years, because they think NATO will ride in and save their asses, and it will allow them to finally boot all the Soviet ethnic Russians from their nations. They are not really good faith, or rational when it comes to this stuff. I mean ffs, Lithuania tried to cut off China from the EU lmao.

>>2928505
It’s not “one bad thing”, it’s the very sensible position that liberalism in Russia isn’t going to prevail for while the vanguard of liberalism keeps saying shit to the effect of “the Russian mind cannot understand and therefore fears democracy” while expanding militarily to their borders.

That’s ultimately the crime Russian libs commit and have been committing for decades. Russophobia is simply the post-Israel replacement for antisemitism, the West is fascist, the desire to “Make Russia Small Again” by Balkanising it, ridiculing it as the Gas Station with Nukes and implying it deserves neither, etc is all manufacturing consent for NATO Lebensraum

>>2928507
It is very good to see Russia saving lives of Russian people right now.

>>2927690
Russia has been demilitarizing Europe, they can hardly supply Kiev with anything anymore.

Lmao now the founder of Rybar has been nicked in Montenegro

>>2929049
They should all flee to safer countries. Since Russia intensified sabotage activities in EU, many Ru aligned activists will be bottled for being potential spies and saboteurs.

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>>2929049
>>be personally sanctioned by the west
>>travel to a NATO country
>>brag about it online
Smartest Z-tard.

Cucktin will respond by opening a pipeline owned by Kushner

>Russia has demanded that the United States lift sanctions in exchange for an energy truce, according to Kyiv Independent, citing American and Ukrainian sources.

>Dmitriev reportedly conveyed this condition to American officials during a visit to the United States in September. It remains unclear which specific sanctions Moscow wants to have lifted, the publication notes.


>A European diplomat suggested that Russia may be seeking to unfreeze its assets.


>This issue is expected to be one of the topics of discussion between Kyiv and Washington today and tomorrow.


>Following their recent trip to Russia, Witcoff and Kushner "returned with the impression that an energy truce is possible."


>A representative of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense stated that Moscow is currently trying to inflict as much damage as possible on Ukraine's energy infrastructure in order to gain leverage before potential negotiations.

reposted from cyberspec, pathetic limpdick cucktin and our champagne retard was claiming that Dimitriev had no official position kek

>>2929094
>Dmitriev reportedly
Reported by who? I know cucktin posters don’t like providing sources, but it’s quite important if the entire post is a “reportedly”.

Cucktin just agreed to supply 3 million tons of fuel to Amerikkka in order to keep Trump in power by helping him win the midterms via lowering gas prices. It's so over…

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Thank fuck I can use my Surovikin memes again

>>2929440
Reminder that Cucktin fired this guy because he was suspicious that he was coordinating with Prigozhin and ever since then Russia has been stuck in a stalemate.

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/37543
cucktin managed to find a pressure point to the current us admin and immediately caved in while at the same fucking time getting ZERO stuff in return. Kill this fucking retard now. Hang his balls upside. If I ever go to bestkorea and for some reason cucktin shows up, I will take the nearest AK and shoot him.

>>2929449
kek, as expected coming from the genius that is cucktin

Cucktin really killed Prigo because he actually wanted to win the war lmao

>>2929435
too late. elections in like 20 days

>>2929049
And with that, I hope rybar goes down the toilet. He knew what he was doing by not living in Russia.

Putin send diesel plz my family needs borger

>Russia: We are fighting le evil insidious West which only lies and deceives us
<Trump: Give me 3 million tonnes of diesel, NOW
>Russia: SIR YES SIR. GLORY TO THE AMERICAN EMPIRE
Anyone else feeling like tiredpepe.jpg over this war yet?

>>2929574
if republicans lose midterms trump is out of the office, vance will likely do what thiel tells him to do and even if he tries to do his "own" politics house/senate will steer him the way they like.

>USA: grrr, fucking Russians just a gas station with nukes, I SANCTION YOU! balkanize so I can loot you
<Iran: pool's closed, white boi, no oil for you
>USA: Umm, so about those sanctions, Russia. Can we have some fuel, plz?
Anybody else feeling like russian_liberator.jpg over this war yet?

>>2929598
USA wants to destroy the middle east and all its oil exports so it can dominate the energy market and make everyone kneel at their feet. Iran and Houthis are doing exactly what Pentagon planners want. USA is so diabolical it's unreal.

>>2929601
>Pentagon planners plan to deliver record profits to Oil industry
>at the expense of their own citizens
Based planners?

No, seriously, engineering energy crises is communist sabotage shit.

Or you're just an American, unwilling to admit USA is led by incompetent fuck ups.

>>2929602
>Tankie is confused that the bourgeois American military does not act in the interests of the regular American
Take off that flag right now, LARPer.

>>2929452
anon, the only thing you'll do if you go to the DPRK and if you see Putin there is to wave your hand from a plantation farm with the rest of the workers.

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>>2929598
>tfw when you sell diesel to America to keep the war going with Ukraine so the Head Hitler in Chief (HHIC) of America can win midterms so he can keep the war going with Iran
That's multipolarity

>trade is principle
>trade is relationship
>trade is intimacy
Do Amerisharts really?

>>2929660
It actually is multipolarity. The US/West is no longer militarily strong enough to easily dictate terms to regional competitors and instead has to negotiate.

>>2929435
Why wouldn't you want Trump in power? Do you want a Democratic dominated congress to force the regime to more competently attack Iran?

Trump is full mask off gauche Imperialist. I hope he gets three terms and then one of his idiot sons taking over. Trumps chaos makes it impossible for the capitalist system to re-balance itself. This is the moment with the most revolutionary potential in almost a century.

>>2929452
>>2929456
>>2929574
>>2929660
>Shortly after Trump made the announcement, the Treasury Department said it was immediately issuing a temporary license allowing Russian diesel to be supplied to the global market.

>This is the latest license the U.S. Treasury has issued regarding Russian fuel shipments since the start of the Iran war early this year. But it is the first to ease sanctions on diesel for longer than the standard 30-day window since the start of the Ukraine war in February 2022.


>The license means U.S. sanctions will not apply until April 2027 on deliveries of Russian diesel that has been loaded onto tankers as of Friday.


>The extensions underscore how the fallout from the Iran war has boosted Moscow’s ability to profit from its energy exports.


The US is caving to economic pressure and lifting sanctions on Russian exports. Russia isn't selling the diesel to the US, at least not exclusively. The US is being forced to allow the market to trade in Russian gas.

>>2929692
>The US/West is no longer militarily strong enough to easily dictate terms to regional competitors and instead has to negotiate.
Russia getting sanctions relief and money for war and Trump easing his pressure on miterms by possibly lowering pump prices is just quid pro quo or a trade. Not negotiations or Trump threatening Russia. Because why Russia would even refuse this?

Trump/US won't negotiate shit with anybody, multipolarity or not, if negotiation means that they actually have to compromise or cave in on something or look like an loser. US will just pull off their tantrums until they no longer can't and then retreat behind the oceans knowing that continental US is unassailable and that they won't face any real consequences like an enemy army at the border. That is why amerimutts are they way they are, their wars and geopolitical shenanigans are always somebody else's problem in the end and why their leaders are politically and culturally always encouraged to go for broke.

>>2929705
I don't really see this as being a huge win for trump anyway. The best case scenario is that this helps keep prices down through the midterms, but 3 million barrels isn't all that much in the scheme of things. Regular gas prices are still going to be high, and right now the best it seems like the government is able to do about that is declare "tax holidays" which are just an incentive to suppliers to lower prices, not a mandated price cut.

>>2929730
3 million barrels is a drop in a bucket. US consumes that in a day.

>Source is Donald Trump on social media
Lmao okay I can see why asking for the source caused a cucktin posters meltdown

>>2929767
Whenever Trump lies the Iranian foreign ministry issues denials but the Russian foreign ministry is staying radio silent about the deal which means it is true. Zelensky also complained about the deal so it's 3-0 against the deal being fake since Trump the Russians and the Ukrainians all agree that it's happening.

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Trump has no cards

>>2929807
>Trump who is known for making unreliable statements on social media makes a statement on social media
>Iran who would have no insight either way responding on social media to @ Trump is confirmation
>Russia not responding to Trump’s social media post is confirmation
>Zelensky responding to Trump’s social media post is confirmation
Fucking Drama Alert logic over here lmao

>>2929808
Dare I say it? Based?

>>2929574
>Anyone else feeling like tiredpepe.jpg over this war yet?
Kinda. This war would have been over years ago if Trump wasnt elected as president.

>>2929808
Hamazov will win.

>During eight hours of talks in Miami on Friday, Witkoff and Kushner told a Ukrainian negotiating team that the president was expected to speak to Putin and lift sanctions on Russian diesel exports.

<They were told that Trump decided to move forward after Ukraine ignored multiple requests to stop strikes on Russian oil refineries, which were directly affecting U.S. consumers. A Ukrainian official claimed that during the talks, Witkoff and Kushner threatened that Trump could cut off Ukraine from U.S. intelligence if it continued to ignore his requests.


https://www.axios.com/2026/10/10/trump-zelensky-putin-diesel-deal-war

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>>2929470
PUTTTTTTTTTTINNNNNNNNNNN, STOP SELLING THEM THE FUCKING FUEL

>>2929873
KEK imagine if Prigozhin bottled up his anger and lived to this point, only to witness this happening. The chimp out that would result would be legendary and probably cause Wagner to try to steal nukes to nuke both Ukraine and then Moscow for good measure to get rid of all the retards running the government.

>>2929860
I don't think there are bigger political morons than Witkoff and Kushner. So they waited literally till the last moment to do this before the dem takeover. Maybe they were simply deep state agents just to fuck with Trump and republicans.

You know for an act of cuckoldry, I was expecting a more gloating attitude from Banderite Xitter

>>2929895
>act of cuckoldry
Even retarded nafoids realize this is a concession being given to putler

>>2929760

its 25

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>>2929895
STABBED IN THE BACK!
== STABBED IN THE BACK!=

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US warns Kyiv that strikes on Russia jeopardise intelligence-sharing

>US officials stepped up pressure on Ukraine to stop striking Russian oil refineries and threatened to cut off vital intelligence sharing as Donald Trump announced a deal with Moscow to release diesel on to the world market.


> Ukrainian officials viewed the request for Kyiv to unilaterally halt strikes without pressing Moscow to do the same as unfair and relayed this message to the US side, according to other people familiar with the discussions. A senior Ukrainian official said the move had “ruin[ed] the trust completely” between the two sides.


> “President Trump’s decision seriously undermines [the] reputation of the US and his credibility as a president, because this decision might lead to strengthening [the] Russian war machine,” said Oleksandr Merezhko, chair of the Ukrainian parliament’s foreign affairs committee.


https://www.ft.com/content/7fd4dffc-8adf-4ad8-9fba-333e1ced991d?syn-25a6b1a6=1

>>2929693
>Do you want a Democratic dominated congress to force the regime to more competently attack Iran?
Lil bro is still trying. I remember the ziggers saying Trump was the peace option lmao.
>competently
Trump killed yout beloved islamist Supreme Leader

>>2929921
>Trump made an ailing 87 year old man a matyr and gave Iran a rally around the flag and making them squeeze over gas prices.
That supports Trump being a reckless imperialist

>>2929877
There will be lots of stabbed int he back myth from the grassroot RW directed at the elites RW when dems comes back. Lots of longkniving will happen.

why is this thread so fucking slow compared to whats actually going on

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>>2929987
We're waiting for the official talking points to come out RE Trump buying oil from Russia and how it's 5D multipolarista chess

>>2929987
Because I’m otherwise occupied, as much as cucktin posters want Trump allegedly asking Putin to lift his Diesel export ban to be massive anti-Russian news, I’m kind of meh about it

>>2929942
/pol/ is 80% stabbing 'miggers' in the back by now. They love infighting just as much as leftists do, in fact, they're even more gleeful and venomous about it. Pretty sure /pol/ likes China more than the leftypol did in 2018 by now.

>>2929987
nothing is happening, the zradaperemoga cycle isn't real even when it's the zrada part

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>>2924660
South-Korea recently recalled it's ambassador from Ukraine. The countries had an argument about north Korean prisoners that south apparently helped to move, but asked south-Korea to keep it secret. Kiev then blabbed about it and when Seoul asked an apology and Kiev to disclose the agreement for them not to look like fools and Kiev allegedly responded that they are "praying for the outbreak of war on the Korean Peninsula."

https://www.npr.org/2026/10/08/g-s1-147115/south-korea-to-recall-its-ambassador-to-ukraine-over-north-korean-pow-dispute

>>2929897
Diesel. I'm talking about diesel.

>>2930008
They do know that North Korea supported Russia in Kursk with troops since thats whats internationally recognized as part of Russia. They never ever went over their border since that would mean they would technically be at war with the Ukrops, the Ukrops know this.

Zelensky called Trump weak, Trump replied but dunno how and who cares anyway? What a bitch lmao

trump called for regime change in Ukraine lol

STABBED IN THE BACK

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>>2930096
OIL LINE MUST GO UP

>>2930086
>>2930096
would be pretty funny if the final outcome of Project Ukraine/Collapse Russia winds up being the US regime changing Ukraine

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>>2930100
If Zelensky keeps up with the refinery strikes it just might end up like that. Trump has apparently warned Zelensky to stop the strikes and he has only responded with refusals, insults and more drones towards Russian refineries.

It's still Europeans who are running this war primarily not the Americans. Not sure how much they can pressure Kiev & zelensky. However I'm sure they can arrange some "accident" on Zelensky and see if the people around him or head of the Rada are more amendable.

>>2921413
>Zkeks are discussing the fall of ukraine and invading the baltics
>in 2026
russia will be a relevant military power… any day now…

>>2930105
Trump could take out zelensky easily and cut off intel and everything, but his pattern is to never do it now matter what he says. he'll make direct or indirect threats and then never follows through. this is why zelensky feels like he can do anything and insult and ignore trump as much as he wants. no matter what trump says he will always do the neocon thing in the end. he's never demonstrated any willingness to discipline ukraine on anything so they will act like spoiled children, disregard and insult daddy and get away with it. maybe one day trump will actually deliver a spanking but i wouldn't count on it.

>>2930110
does one have to have no ad interceptors before they can be considered a relevant military power?

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Unadulterated DC nazoid STABBED IN THE BACK seething:

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  1. Why is Russia only now striking Ukraine's bridges. Like i know bridges be hard to knock out fully, and i know it wont be a decisive war ending tactic, but even a drone can disrupt them as seen from a couple days ago, so why not target them? its bizarre.

  2. USA coupe against the Kiev regime when?

>>2930192
hero nations.

Ukraine is fighting against the whole world for self determination and liberty and still stands.

Ukraine collapse status?

>>2930194
>Why is Russia only now striking Ukraine's bridges.
Did you miss the 4 years of Cucktin posting which explicitly laid out why Russia is behaving like a weak cuck?

>>2930096
A farce. A farce it is what it is. Specially given that they provide ukraine with intelligence data to strike Russia, otherwise impossible for them to get past through the Air Defenses.

>>2930084
Two known variety celebrity and showbiz individuals fighting for the spotlight.
Don't you love to see politics converted as soap opera drama?

>>2921605
>>2921592
>>2921434
>>2930110
samefagging spamming nafoid

>>2930143
>>2930262
>>2930243
psyops, fake and gay, presenting a schism where in reality there is none

We are close to Azov 9/11

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>>2930271
if azov strikes down the tower of pisa, europeans will be like never forghetti, spaghetti.
but maybe, the plot twist is that nafo will be behind the plot.

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>>4:19
<<4:20

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Its very funny to see zelcuck LARP as a grizzled leader by growing out his beard, also to be seen as a more "common man" type of person

>>2928495
Kinda a depressing meme tbh. Was war really the only option?

>>2929609
The US has become the largest O&G exporter in the world as the result of the Iran War. Oil companies are making huge profits.

Furthermore, since US oil is hard to extract, it needs prices to be around $100 to be highly profitable. Before the war, prices were tending to go below $60, and decline even further due to EVs. That would have made the US oil industry unprofitable, and they would either go back to importing from Russia/Gulf/Venezuela, or have to subsidize their industry.

>>2930335
Btw the 1973 OPEC embargo after also helped to make American oil profitable and resulted in long-term high oil prices. Before that embargo, world oil prices were like
$30/barrel for a long time. And that was with old and inefficient technology.

Very "curious". How middle eastern wars help America and the oil industry so much.

We have all been fleeced. The world has shoveled trillions of dollars of pure profit to the oil producing nations for no reason.

>>2930327
Zelensky's grandfather, Semyon Zelensky, was an infantryman in the Red Army during WW2. Semyon's three brothers were killed in the Holocaust. Semyon's parents were killed when the Wehrmacht burned down their house. How much of a sociopathic opportunist does one have to be, to become a politician of a country and turn a blind eye to the open Nazis who celebrate your family's annihilation, just to stay in power?

>>2930344
he has denounced Talmud


>>2930356
The US blinks and Ukraine falls to its knees

>>2930194
> Why is Russia only now striking Ukraine's bridges.
it's not, it's also striking random commieblocks as per usual

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>old man yells at the clouds

>>2930374
Ukraine has probably breached it if Trump isn't totally pulling this from his ass. Russia said that they aren't up to ceasefires of any kind because Kiev can't be trusted with anything.

>>2930340
you're not wrong but look at the limited capacity america can actually export, it's only a small fraction of the total energy Europe consumes for example. They will have no choice but to resume imports from Russia at some point if the Gulf is knocked out permanently

>>2930374
>Both countries immediately fall to their knees and obey Trump whenever he wants something
>We're supposed to believe this is a serious war somehow
Totally scripted. None of the elites in any of these countries care they're just following their scripts. Only the workers at the front lines dying for this crap believe in it.

>>2930335
Anon, the US was already consolidated as the first oil and gas exporter before the war. And they have had "to subsidize their industry" to do so.
Also, many oil fields in the US are largely profitable past $70 USD.
The rethuglicans don't want to kill their chances of ever again hold the house, senate and presidency with what trump has been doing.
The only thing that trump did was to put the american oil refineries competitive through the chokehold caused by the strait closed, because it's Asia and Africa the continents building TENS of refinaries, that should reduce the crack spread that is causing the diesel prices and also other oil derivatives prices rises. but that has a huge political backlash, again, for the rethuglican party. for nothing, because the oil and gas industries in the US don't need a huge political turnoil to have profits like these.

>>2930382
war expenditures for USA is like a trillion yearly and hydrocarbon revenues are only 300 billion

>>2930376
>Russia said

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>>2930335
You're retarded bro


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>>2930459
Lmao so there goes any pretence of democracy in the UK, since it has now been “confirmed” that the greatest example of direct democracy in recent history was ackshually hijacked and/or instigated by the Russians and of course Brits didn’t want to leave the EU to give £350 million a week to the NHS… whoopsie!

Better reverse that decision and the proceed to continue never providing any meaningful democratic input, to fuck with Russia!

>>2930470
I like if you sort by "controversial" it actually has people calling it out only for them to get dogpiled by "no it actually was the Russians"

>>2930477
>So why didn't any of the previous British prime ministers say anything? Are they all Russian assets?
<Boris pretty much was.
Honestly, the world they must live in

Will campists ever admit they were wrong and Russia is, as any actual leftist knows, a reactionary, opportunist, capitalist shithole? Or are you going to pathetically try to justify selling diesel to the Am*ricans and undercutting Iran just to make a quick buck?

>>2930487
>trading with the US is reactionary
new cope dropped

>>2930487
>US slaps Russia with sanctions to strangle their economy
>Russia resists and survives to the point the US is forced to start lifting sanctions
<Anti-Campists: erm rude Russia. You should have continued to impose sanctions on yourself anyway.

>>2930490
>unironically defending Trump
You're not a leftist, I'm not falling for this shit Ivan. You need less obvious psyops.

Like imagine railing against campists but unironically being more committed to Russia’s defeat than the American Bourgeoisie are.

>>2930491
It’s certainly anti revolutionary at the very least

>>2930496
What? If anything, they want the war out of the way so they and the Russian Bourgeoisie can collude. They want to back to the pre-2008 era.

>>2930498
That’s not how imperialism works.

>>2930499
>it can't work that way because it doesn't fit my definition of imperialism
This is just nonsense, why am I even arguing with this. American businessmen have wanted to make money off Russia since the Yeltsin days, it's just that those concerns were subordinated to imperial domination once Putin started attacking the next presumptive crop of NATO members. Trump only cares about A) his own ego and B) money, so that has again taken a back seat to doing business with Russia. Plenty of his inner circle also want to do business with and in Russia and have never been happy that their interests were deprioritised in favour of a maximalist containment strategy.

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>>2930497
what is the logic here? Starving the US economy? I can agree that letting yourself get reliant on US trade can be counterrevolutionary, but the trade itself? Nah.

>>2930502
>it's just that those concerns were subordinated to imperial domination once Putin started attacking the next presumptive crop of NATO members.
So your definition of imperialism starts and ends with the US having moral and/or strategic responsibility to protect Ukraine’s NATO ambitions from Russia, but like, NATO expansion continued and would continue to surround Russia’s borders and cut off their export routes to maximise the effectiveness of sanctions even if Russia didn’t invade Ukraine, but actually the US always wanted to do business with Russia and will continue to as partners just as soon as Russia loses at which point US imperialism will have ended?

Is that absolute clusterfuck of a definition for Imperialism which excuses NATO expansionism on the money, from your perspective?

>>2930513
Lmao no fucking way you're /still/ fucking running cover for the Kremlin, you've been at it for 4 years now and you've convinced nobody and have probably turned off some anons from the Moscow narrative. FSB needs to dock your pay because you fucking suck at this

>>2930513
I can't even straighten out what you're babbling about. The project to isolate Russia was not carried out because American business wanted it particularly. The MIC obviously does, as does anyone looking to make inroads into countries the US brings into its bloc, but this doesn't mean every company is on board with that program. Companies that deal in consumer products and natural resources want access to Russia just as they want access to literally anywhere, they're not interested in picking a fight. And stock traders will do business with literally anyone so long as they get returns. This idea that American oligarchs are trying to destroy Russia is campist/Russian propaganda, American oligarchs want to make money and only the MIC really makes money off of picking a fight with the Russians. It is not the Cold War, this is not the Soviet Union, American capitalists do not view Russia as an enemy they have to destroy anymore, it's just another place where profit may be made.

>>2930510
>Starving the US economy?
Part of it
>I can agree that letting yourself get reliant on US trade can be counterrevolutionary
Also part of it
>the trade itself?
Unnecessary, at least from legitimate sources

>>2930520
>The project to isolate Russia was not carried out
NATO expansion has officially ended then?

>>2930519
>You’re being paid by the FSB!
You must realise what a crybaby you sound like when saying this.

>>2930523
>can't even read
I'm not responding to this, if you're not completely illiterate you know damn well that's not what I said. Respond to the actual statement or shut the fuck up.

>>2930524
I'm laughing at you and the absolute rut that Anglo Z has found itself in. I only wanted to check in after the Trump energy deal and it's even more pathetic than I could ever have imagined. Back in 2022 I thought nothing could surpass the "uhhh it's an act of goodwill to retreat from Kiev" meme, but Anglo Z continually proves otherwise, just legendary levels of delusion.

>>2930525
You’re producing word salad to dance around the fact your claim is that the US isn’t trying to imperialise a resource-rich nation, it’s actually a willing customer that temporarily protests the invasion of Ukraine by not buying.

>inb4 Noooo you can’t read because if you could I wouldn’t sound so retarded and clearly biased towards the US

>>2930519
Whining about Russian/Chinese glowies is the most obvious case of projection, Langley.

>>2930527
Why would I care? This is a political forum and a thread to discuss a major conflict, what you find personally amusing is an irrelevancy. Perhaps you’re also amused by the sensation of soiling yourself and forcing others to witness and tolerating it, based on your posts ITT that would be the IRL equivalent for your amusement.

>>2930496
why do you think they love trots so much?

>>2930554
Anyone who claims Russians are being genocided by Ukraine is an SVR agent, full stop, no debate.


>>2930536
If that’s your understanding of what the US’ sanctions are, then I have to ask you what chimp outs did nations like Cuba or the DPRK have to be near-equals to Russia in the intensity of their sanctions?

>>2930554
>ukraine was just about to march through russia like genghis khan and hitler combined if the smo didn't start
>russia has been winning the smo this entire time and crushed the banderites
Ziggasister please pick one

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>>2930496
>being more committed to Russia’s defeat than the American Bourgeoisie are
erm, bolshevik giga much?

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>Zelenskyy is forced to an election as a pretext for a ceasefire during big NATO elections
>The NATO right sides with JDPON Don and the retarded pretext of "negotiating" an end to the war
>The NATO "left" campaigns on Russiagate/TDF and for apocalyptic endless war not just in Ukraine but against worldwide "authoritarians".
>Whoever wins, the underlying agendas remains the same.
>Zelenskyy gets shitcanned and hopefully martyred
Picrel draws closer lel

>>2930380
>None of the elites in any of these countries care they're just following their scripts
the screeching of the eu and us elites like a truck full of pigs is also a script or or just improv clases?

>>2930562
sad part is, the only thing that europe won was a recession.

>>2930560
Well this is the point, "anti-campism" is not necessarily neutrality as in "neither Washington, nor Moscow". It can, and in this conflict overwhelmingly it does, take the form of
>Fuck Russia
>I hate Russia so much
>History started in 2022 when Russia chimped out for no reasouyghur memes are okay for Russia because they're that bad
>Everyone who doesn't wish for Russia to lose is an FSB shill
>I really enjoy making homophobic remarks about the Russian leader for some reason
>Russia are liars, there's no way Ukraine could take over Russia, that's definitely their claim and therefore I won't listen to anything they say
>Best day of my life is when the 90s x 1000 happen to those orcs after their country is Balkanised
<But please don't misunderstand, I'm not like the US' number one fan or anything although leftypol is massively biased against them

>>2930519
'convinced nobody' and who am I?
boi, you can leave this thread anytime now.

>>2930564
Putler and Agent Z working together to destroy Europe once and for all

Maybe is too dark in kiev for trump to see that there's no ceasefire.
(CHP-5 taken out, again, three hours after the 'ceasefire' announcement)

>>2930613
>all 800 years of their history is nothing but chimping out
you should read about the kingdoms of those times screeching about everything Russians or any other people did. Tankanon is right about ukrainians hating poles even more than Russians, despite zelya's efforts, of Polelols pissing their pants out of rage when they see banderites.
is that a rebuttal to something said here: >>2930565
?

>>2930613
>why all those peoples who had the misfortune to get conquered by Russia at some point deserve no better than to be part of it
idea of 'Nation State' is a late 19th century spook. Mainly aimed at austro hungaria and Russia. No, not every backwater swamp people automatically deserve their own state, government and political position equivalent with actual world powers. And I do note that that is different from local governance of peoples.

But come on look at balts for example. In no era of European or world history have neighboring states suffered such little wimpy and bitchy countries with no economy, military, situated on a plain with no natural borders of their own to exists. To such countries 'independence' is just the freedom to choose to who they choose to vassalize themselves to and suffer the consequences if they choose poorly.

sorry but you need to know dialectical materialism to post here, nafo bros. dialectical materialism (and modern physics) says that properties of things can only exist as relationships between things. sir roger penrose proposed conformal cyclic cosmology because of how fundamental this realization is. that's to say, your relationship to the world is the actual measure of what you are. this is where christcucks wail in agony because it's incompatible with their sin concept or salvation through belief. it also breaks a lot of liberalism.
if you act as a stormtrooper to imperialism, which ukraine is even outside of ukraine, such as in the middle east since the iraq war and to this day, that's what you are. the liberal worldview is based on an obsolete view of reality itself where things are appraised based on their 'innate qualities' instead of their place in the world. unlike the ukrainian government, a different group that is actually oppressed in a meaningful way, the kurds, decided that they won't be the stormtroopers of imperialism in iran despite their previous cooperation with western powers and clearly existing pressure for them to do so. as a reward, they didn't earn a darwin award, unlike ukraine. hats off to them. had they caved in, the 'nature' of kurdish political organizations at the very least would itself have changed and things that would have been objectively acceptable in 2018 would become objectively unacceptable in 2026 and it definitely would have reframed the previous projects, such as rojava. but thankfully they didn't take the retard choice. that's also where soviet deportations come from, an acceptable and even laudable national project suddenly becomes a lot less laudable when the 'united europe' tries to establish its colonial project with petty nationalists as one of their primary tools. every single marxist speaks of this as far back as the first marxist, friedrich engels, to whom the polish and hungarian self-determination projects were laudable while most other slavic projects were to be crushed, as they aligned with reaction. none of this is new. it's generally best to make sure no one ends up at the point where their project can't help but align with global reaction, and here, the russian government failed, though from inaction instead of action. most of this thread is just liberals pissing and crying about their liberal worldview where innate qualities are the key. "oh you see, lenin said this thing more than 100 years ago, this clearly applies to the results of decades of imperialist intelligence work cultivating fascist runaways from soviet ukraine going as far back as canada in 1940s" no it doesn't, lenin had a dialectical worldview. and that's if you get any reason whatsoever other than blind hatred.

>>2930520
>This idea that American oligarchs are trying to destroy Russia is campist/Russian propaganda, American oligarchs want to make money and only the MIC really makes money off of picking a fight with the Russians.

That's retarded dude.

>This idea that American oligarchs are trying to destroy Russia is campist/Russian propaganda
Damn, I wonder who could be behind this post.

>>2930636
>unlike the ukrainian government, a different group that is actually oppressed in a meaningful way, the kurds, decided that they won't be the stormtroopers of imperialism in iran despite their previous cooperation with western powers and clearly existing pressure for them to do so. as a reward, they didn't earn a darwin award, unlike ukraine.
The Kurds did not do that, but if Iran invaded the KRG for some crazy reason then I'm pretty sure the Kurds there would shoot back at them.

>had they caved in, the 'nature' of kurdish political organizations at the very least would itself have changed and things that would have been objectively acceptable in 2018 would become objectively unacceptable in 2026 and it definitely would have reframed the previous projects, such as rojava.

For "critical supporter" leftists, I guess. But there are also different Kurdish organizations. The YPG/YPJ in Syria was interrelated with the PKK, but the KRG in Iraq is split between the KDP in Erbil and the PUK in Sulaymaniyah, and the PUK is more leftist and friendlier with Iran, although the KDP and PUK have been working on integrating their forces. The KDP is a more conservative force. I'm kind of ignorant about this but at least from what I understand Kurds will tend to back each other up for being Kurdish although the political differences are real. The KDP and PUK had a civil war in the 1990s.

>every single marxist speaks of this as far back as the first marxist, friedrich engels, to whom the polish and hungarian self-determination projects were laudable while most other slavic projects were to be crushed, as they aligned with reaction.

That's true but I have to point out they regarded the Tsarist state in particular as the stronghold of reaction. You have to think it's little discomforting that Russia along with the U.S. are aligned with the same right-wing political parties in Europe. Not that there's some grand unified conspiracy going on, I'm talking about the objective political function. You might say the twin-headed eagle of reaction now is Russia and the United States. Although surely in our day no one wold suggest the petty nationalist projects that deserve to be crushed by the wheel of history include the DPR/LPR, South Ossetia or Abkhazia.

>"oh you see, lenin said this thing more than 100 years ago, this clearly applies to the results of decades of imperialist intelligence work cultivating fascist runaways from soviet ukraine going as far back as canada in 1940s" no it doesn't, lenin had a dialectical worldview. and that's if you get any reason whatsoever other than blind hatred.

Well what happens is that opposites turn in their opposites, and then those opposites turn into their opposites.

>>2930520
>>2930520
How easily you can put together a bunch of nonsensical stuff. AI? is that what do you?
You put a prompt and ask to an AI to put together every strawman and fallacy you can find while sounding like a communist?
Let's dissect the overall idea:
>It is not the Cold War, this is not the Soviet Union, American capitalists do not view Russia as an enemy they have to destroy anymore

Since the 90s there is one big battle going. It's not communists/socialists or communism/socialism versus capitalism anymore, not on the Atlantic side of the Earth at least.
It's neoliberalism and neoliberalized capitalism owning everyone and everything with wall-street and the squire mile as their headquarters with a complacent IMF that needs to obey the ofac and use dollars versus the self-determination of nations to have a state competing with capitalism offering broader anti-individualist, anti-monopolized means of production and services.
This was obvious when they killed an anti-communist like Saddan Hussein, it was obvious when they went against Ghaddafi, that's why they invented a lawfare against Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner despite she isn't a communist, that's why they invented lawfares against Evo or Correa, that's why they took Maduro with a military aggression, that's why they are desperate to politically kill even mediocre left-wing figures such as Petro or Lula, that's why the went into Afghanistan and control poppy flowers production, that's why they are reducing all social policies in Europe since the 90s with even a PSOE in Spain so diligent in neoliberalizing everything while talking you about "fraternite egalite liberte" to bamboozle everyone, it was obvious when they went against Assad, that's why they are smearing Claudia Sheinbaum with local political opposition figures linking Morena with drug trafficking and ask for a military intervention. Fucking trump went against the WTO calling it a detriment to the US, 'unfair to the US' because they weren't winning 100% of the litigation cases, just near 70% of the cases.

Whatever crap that you put together after that it's child-like reasoning.

>>2930673
>Since the 90s there is one big battle going. It's not communists/socialists or communism/socialism versus capitalism anymore, not on the Atlantic side of the Earth at least.
I agree with that. But I have to point out that organized crime families also both cooperate with each other and go to war. So do we critically support the Colombos or the Gambinos.

The great satan vs a small stan.

Lets cheer for the great satan.

NAFO’s latest attempt to shoot themselves in the foot is claiming that Ukraine targeting Yandex facilities will eliminate online support for Trump and other “anti-Ukraine” figures, since of course that’s all Russian bots lmao

Do these people think elections are conducted by Xitter polls? How are the bots able to vote in elections?

I really wonder how a certain flag poster here will react if russia just flat out loses

>>2930738
Probably as usual explain my position on it as politely as possible, while certain non-flag posters call me an FSB shill, that they’re enjoying themselves so much at my expense, how they simultaneously know the frequency at which I post and for how long but insist they’re a very rare visitor to the thread, openly wish for harm to come to me, etc.

Basically a sealed bottle of sweet bubbly analysis floating in a sea of NAFOid tears.

Actually it’s quite ironic that the precedent has been set on targeting server farms due to le Russian bot farms, because I’m pretty sure a lot more than psyops are run on Azure and AWS in the West.

>>2930750
And as always Russians were the first to target data center in Ukraine and brag about it. You reap what you sow.

>>2927707

>>2930751
>You reap what you sow.
Yeah, did you not get that was the point being made?

I don't know why discussions about the nature of this war keeps getting linked to discussions about who's winning.

Who's winning or losing depends on things like funding, manpower, foreign relations, strategy, technological developments etc. If Ukraine/NATO wins it doesn't mean "Russia was imperialist and wrong to start the war" and if Russia wins it doesn't mean "Russia is anti imperialist and right to start the war."

These are two completely seperate discussions

>>2930766 (me)

My personal opinion is Ukraine should surrender and also Russia is imperialist. The working class must always surrender in bourgoies wars, and it's easier for Ukrainian proles to surrender than Russians.


>>2930767
Agreed. Palestinians should just surrender to Israel.

>>2930767
> and it's easier for Ukrainian proles to surrender than Russians.
russians can simply go back to russia, isn't that way simpler than giving your country away?

>>2930784
Does that means everyone who was living in Donbass prior to 2022 and 2014 also?

>"Why aren't the United States making an agreement with Ukraine for diesel fuel supplies? We influence whether these ships move. We determine whether refineries operate," said the President of Ukraine.
Lmao I’m weirdly enjoying this, probably because either outcome is pretty delectable. Either Trump looks like a complete bitch totally powerless to imperial impulses Zelensky, or Zelensky is shut up in one way or another for flying too close to the sun.

Imagine such a choice coming from some small, smokey fires!

NATO unveils “theory of victory” for a Russian attack: stop it, then destroy the enemy’s entire warfighting system

>NATO’s top commander in Europe, US Gen. Alexus Grynkewich, presented the alliance’s “theory of victory” at the Warsaw Security Forum on Monday. It is a public outline of how NATO would repel an attack on its territory. Such plans are rarely discussed openly, and the message is clearly aimed at Russia.


>He gave no operational details, only the broad lines. NATO is “a defensive alliance,” he said, but that should not be mistaken for weakness. “If someone is foolish enough to attack us, we will fight.”


>The plan has three stages:


<Stop the attack. Ground forces counterattack first, backed by air, naval, space and cyber forces to secure NATO’s freedom of action quickly.


<Weaken it. Once air and sea superiority are won, concentrated firepower and precision strikes keep the enemy from holding captured ground. Autonomous systems and advanced sensors deny the enemy fresh momentum. Lessons from the war in Ukraine are built in.


<Destroy the enemy’s warfighting system. If the enemy keeps going or commits reserves, NATO would hit not just the troops but everything that commands and supplies them. Precision weapons would be combined with cheap, mass-produced systems, i.e. drones.


>The goal is not a strategic defeat of the adversary, he said, but simply to stop any attack in its tracks.


>Grynkewich stressed that talking about a “theory of victory” doesn’t mean an attack is likely: “I do not assess that conflict is imminent or inevitable.”


>On Russian hybrid operations, he said one of their main aims is to erode Western willingness to support Ukraine, so the best response is more support. He also called for coordinated messaging among NATO members, with clear “red lines” communicated to Russia.


>Asked whether US troops would be among the ground forces responding, he gave no direct answer. The US has already announced it is pulling some capabilities from Europe and is reviewing its force posture there, with results expected later this year. Grynkewich said US troops are in Poland and elsewhere on the eastern flank, and added: “Nobody should doubt US commitment to this alliance. I mean, I’m here” (he is a Trump appointee).


>Source (English, Reuters via US News): https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2026-10-12/nato-commander-grynkewich-warns-russia-attack-would-be-utterly-futile

>>2930826
Nato can't even afford graphic designers any more

>>2930826
damn, AI already took over NATO communications. it's over for humanitycels

I don't even know why I come in here. I've been arguing with Russians for over a decade, my mind isn't changing at this point and I already know Russians refuse to ever admit they do anything wrong. Maybe it's just to let the SVR know they can't change my mind, that their psyops do not work on me no matter how long you subject me to them.

>>2930946
It’s the worst case of protagonist syndrome I’ve ever seen.

>>2930946
you're not arguing with russians you retarded fuck

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>>2930946
>>2930946
You will talk Russian and you will like it.



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