I keep seeing "communists" talk in favour of intersectionality when it is just pure liberalism. Intersectionality is not compatible with Marxism, because for Marxists class is the primary contradiction (anti-imperialism is also class struggle). Radical feminism and queer liberation are both liberal rubbish as well (speaking as a trans woman). Proletarian feminism and the erosion of sex through socialist technology are the real ways to solve these problems, not bourgeois radicalism.
barack "hussein" obama is not my president
>>2925999>because for Marxists class is the primary contradiction >(anti-imperialism is also class struggle)Retard couldn't help thyself
What is proletariat feminism
>>2926026I don't know, but I will say I agree with feminism as far as egalitarianism is concerned. I think women should have the same opportunity for anything. A meritocracy as the liberals say. If a woman can perform the requirements better than a man, than they should be declared the victor. But everyone must strictly outperform their next competitor to be declared the victor, that is our meritocracy.
Cause morons think that intersectionality is about comparing oppression to see who the most oppressed in some sort of self-pity circle jerk. When in reality is about understanding systems of oppression and how they interconnect, in order to combat it more effectively.
One of my early moments of political disillusionment was seeking woke degrade into the bitchy, ineffectual mirror twin of fascism
>my identity is super special
>you can’t understand me or my tribe’s trauma because we’re too different
>we suffered so now we get to be assholes
>reason is bullshit, it’s all vibes
The endgame of woke is basically akin to Zionism
Anti-imperialism is intersectionality with nationalism lmao
>>2925999Pure liberalism is race science and meritocracy and hence social Darwinism. This is what all the original liberals believed.
>speaking as a trans woman
don't you realize that gender ideology is liberal bullshit? if you weren't exposed to certain cultural products of capitalism, you would not be trans. Get real.
>>2926035>to combat it more effectivelyExemple ?
>>2926060>le gender ideologyOh come the fuck on, gender identities we'd call "queer" now have existed forever, way before white liberal arts grads got high on postmodernism
>>2926026Read Kollontai, read Anurhada Ghandi
>>2926060My medical condition is not being treated properly because liberals like you are riled up in this insane morality crusade attacking working class people for being neurologically intersex, forcing them into poverty and the lumpen proletariat. Well, at least you're serving to help radicalise transexuals.
>>2926065For example racism and class oppression both affect working class black people in America. You can't just oppose one of them in order to end oppression you have to oppose both of them.
>>2926106Your “medical condition” is an entirely internalized mental state not detectable by any brain scan or blood test or any diagnostic criteria outside of your own subjective feelings which can change at a whim, why the fuck would a socialized health system give you estrogen at all let alone before women treating harsh symptoms of menopause?
>>2926146Schizophrenia and depression aren’t real either
>>2926107No I meant one exemple of it being used to fight against oppression, not just stating the obvious
>>2926122Because people like me will be in charge of the socialised health system, and you'll be in a mass grave for being a revisionist.
>>2926122>before womenEstrogen and testosterone are both ridiculously easy to produce, there is no need to hoard it for "real" women
>>2926148Schizophrenia is real you retard, it's a neurodevelopmental condition like autism or down syndrome. It's not a made up mental illness.
>>2926151You’re a drug addict but your drug is estrogen, you’re literally just getting high but trying to make yourself seem like a cancer patient who “neeeds” the fent
oh she's trolling lol
>>2926155You are a drug addict like every “trans” person
>>2926035I fail to see how marxism is not simply
better at this. The marxist method traces the various forms of opression to their material bases and thus allows more complete targeting. Does a mature marxism not have intersectionality (by whatever other name or formulation) baked in?
>>2926039wait holy shit you're right actually
and they are both rooted in sucking all meaning out of culture, much like how the word 'woke' was appropriated from black english and stripped of all its significance
>(speaking as a trans woman)
you think adding this in strengthens your argument but it actually does the opposite. it just lets everyone know you're a self-hating wishy-washy little fencesitter with no honor and no country and no metaphorical balls. it makes me sick just to look at you.
>>2926060>if you weren't exposed to certain cultural products of capitalismthen I would not have found out that estrogen exists and I would just be miserable the rest of my life hating my beard and my body and not knowing why, like before I was 16 and discovered a certain subreddit (probably while looking for porn to simulate some kind of positive emotion at all)
>>2926154are you picrel lmao
>>2926185kill yourself. my parents and my brother love me. I now have something like actual friends. I get on the bus and greet the driver in our local language. can (you) say the same?
>>2926188When are you going to learn your individual emotions and issues
ARE NOT IMPORTANT >>2926148Okay, now you're just making shit up
>>2926155Trolls really are just the dumbest narcissists you'll ever meet. They flatter themselves thinking they're doing some kind of asymmetrical information terrorists when they're really just annoying children waiting to be ignored or banned
>>2926033>I will say I agree with feminism as far as egalitarianism is concernedit's a a shame that feminists aren't egalitarian in any way and just want women to have all privileges possible while being sexist against men
>>2926249>letting internet femcels tell you what feminism isEvery IRL feminist I know thinks that misandrist crap is bullshit, the whole "kill all moids" thing is a terminally online phenomenon upheld by legbeards
>>2926254How is it terminally online when every news outlet is like this too?
If intersectionality as a general concept (understanding how different groups of people experience oppression via differing material mechanisms, and how those mechanisms interact) were completely unnecessary and Marxism alone supercedes it and is superior, then maybe this thread would go a bit better than transphobes harassing the OP and spreading anti-scientific viewpoints with a thin veneer of anti-capitalism. See this post:
>>2926060If nothing else, intersectionality and a basic 101 level education regarding topics like this are necessary to properly get posters like this dimwit up to speed on the material realities facing various segments of the proletariat.
>>2926258Basically every outlet has a 'women's section' yet none have men's sections, it's totally routine for websites to basically call for freedom to be abolished because it offends radlib women. I mean I never actually read the news because it pisses me off but I remember someone showed me this article.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly5vvw77pzoHere's an article saying basically that swinging should be banned because some women feel like their partners forced them into it. Imagine running an article on all the people who probably get raped because of people they met on Facebook or Instagram or whatever.
>>2926269>>2926271In retrospect these weren't an amazing argument, but it's hardly unusual to see misandry in the news is all I'm saying. Or just stuff hyperfocussed on women's welfare and men's welfare generally excluded from conversation or openly mocked
>>2926122>own subjective feelingsUnless you are a dualist (which isn’t materialism) then their subjective feelings have to be grounded in material processes that constitute their consciousness, which invalidates your argument.
>which can change on a whimHow many trans people suddenly stop being trans? And please don’t be a moron and cite 5 examples thinking you’ve proven something when there millions of them in the world.
>>2926254>legbeardsOk, that's funny.
>>2925999Political preferences at the individual level are dispositional and Marxism and intersectionality fish the same waters. (Open minded, kindly, neurotic)
Scratch a Tumblrite from 2016 in 2026 and a Marxist bleeds.
>>2926326Yeah, that's why Marxism is doing so well in 2026.
>>2925999>>2926060>>2926187>speaking as a trans womanThe reason the poster had to add this is because this is all per unadulterated idpol. Their opinion would be less valid unless they held this exact identity.
>>2926330Wealthy white women are desperate to be seen as victims by society despite all evidence to the contrary, it's true
>anti-imperialism is intersectionality with nationalism
Real American hours in this thread.
<noo you don't want your country to be a dog to the US, must be some woke post-colonial lib tard
>>2926044>Anti-imperialism is intersectionality with nationalism lmaoholy trvke
>>2926187How could you come to the conclusion that I'm a fence sitter when I've made my position very clear? My problem with intersectionality is not progressivism, it's that class is the most defining relation for EVERYONE in the world, including those who are unclassed.
>>2926371Yeah dude critical coalitions with the national bourgeoisie in a backwards/imperialized country was the completely normal position for communists to have, until the necessity for it expires - from Marx, to Lenin, to Mao, to Ho Chi Minh.
Way before there was any post-colonial IdPol, and before it was normalized to be an "anti-campist" NAFO-loving Zizekian retard frothing your mouth about national liberation struggles being hecking authoritarian.
>>2926374because you still accept the concept of class at face value instead of addressing it as what it really is, which is a human mental construct like money or nation or race or gender. everyone is unclassed, there are no kinds of people, there are just people. we already live in a classless society and always have, the problem isn't that class exists, the problem is that we believe that it exists when it really doesn't and in doing so we reify and sustain the illusion.
>>2926330Because intersectionality is fucking redundant when it comes to the truly fucked cases. When your arms and legs are blown off, when born a downie, or when you are just fucked in the head all society can do is to alleviate your suffering, it's not gonna get necessarily better under socialism.
>>2926395
>In the social production of their existence, men inevitably enter into definite relations, which are independent of their will, namely relations of production appropriate to a given stage in the development of their material forces of production.
Marx, A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy, 1859
You can not "will away" your relation to the productive forces of society, even if you understand them, "don't believe in them" or whatever. Same with commodity fetishism. It doesn't matter that you recognize that an spiritual value has been attributed to a dead object as its inherent quality and not as an expression of relation between people. You still can not withdraw from it in your reproduction of daily life, even when you live inside an anarchist commune.
>>2926397Yes it’s a mental illusion that other people will choose to act on an incentive and throw me in the slammer for not working and not paying my bills
>>2926339I'd argue white and Asian women in general. You could still argue that they are still the minority in terms of positions of absolute top power, like Presidents, head of multinational conglomerates, and the such. But they are getting there.
In all other areas, I fail to see how they are underprivileged in the global north. They have better grades than men and perform overall better. They have better communication skills. And don't get me started on the ridiculous online dating market where a man has to be a 8-9 to get a 4-5.
There is still sexism, I guess, but this has become such a non-issue. Obviously mothers have it harder when they employed.
>>2925999The problem with idpol is that when you start caving in to one cliques group project because to them "X is part of the class struggle", you eventually have to cave in to every one of them and your party starts doing everything and anything but class struggle or organizing working the class. There literally will be no end to it even if the pet projects are just. The party/group will become just a another meeting place of middle class liberal freaks who can at best be a another barely passable sucdem party that calls itself democratic socialist or sometshit. Fuck alliance building and appeasing the liberals.
Thread from 2019
>>2926429I mean, things have gotten considerably better since then.
Problem a lot of the "woke 1 was crazy guys" people just substitute it with just more traditional Obama/Clinton style neoliberalism.
>>2926417But at the same time different groups do have needs that you need to address or otherwise they won't support you. You do need to build a democratic alliance to some extent. The problem is when this leads to class struggle becoming a secondary concern.
>>2926397>Class is like fake dudeMidwit take
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