Three years after October 7th this very difficult question needs to be asked:
Materially speaking, what can the American left — or any country’s left — do to actually “support” Palestine?
I’ve been an activist for Palestine solidarity since 2008. I’ve seen this movement change drastically during this time. Basically, 18 years ago you could support a two-state solution on the ‘67 border just fine without scrutiny. Now, post-Gaza genocide, you’re considered a “Zio” or “normalizer” if you support anything other than a full-blown Algeria scenario whereby every single Israeli Jew is deported or forced to flee. But let’s be honest: even if this is what we wanted, the American (or overall western) left has no ability to make this happen. It’s as stupid as claiming you’re a sellout unless you support a gigantic communist uprising happening tomorrow. Given that what we mentally support means nothing unless we can do material support, what’s the fucking point?
Oh but it’s a MORAL LITMUS TEST! — so fucking what? Even if we wanted to weed out the “immoral” people from our movement we still have no ability to carry out the results we want to see.
So where does that leave us? What should the left be doing for Palestine that it already hasn’t been doing for the past 20 years? We’ve done mass protests, boycotts, pressuring politicians, attempting to blockade weapons shipments, etc. Some people like Elias Rodriguez even used political violence. And guess what? Nothing happened in terms of the Palestinians winning. Israel’s reputation is in the shitter, but why hasn’t that translated into a Palestinian victory? How much longer do we have to wait for Israel to collapse, and if that happens on what basis would an “Algeria” scenario emerge?
Maybe I’m wrong but I really want to know what it actually means to “support Palestine” now.
51 posts and 5 image replies omitted.>>2928266Real BDS has never been tried
>>2928067Geopolitics is just culture war posturing shit at this point.
how many of you phony performative dipshits can even find israel on an unlabeled map
>>2928067Providing material support to Hamas and the houthis is illegal, and well I will be more than happy to help, I have a life and family and would prefer not to be in jail
>>2928592Nothing, wouldn't dare to suggest anybody ought to do something illegal like that.
>>2928176>the only solution is making these rodents work for life in gulags to pay for all the atrocities they inflicteddidn't germany already try that and not only did it not work but it actually led to the creation of the country you are now complaining about?
>>2928176Good luck with implementing that.
>>2928632no. most of the key events occurred before the holocaust, and were conducted in concert with Britain and Nazi Germany:
>the British occupied Palestine with the goal of creating a Jewish colony there in the 1840s>the zionist movement formed in the 1880s>the British announced their intention to make a "Jewish Homeland in Palestine" in 1917>the zionist terror groups that took Palestine from the British formed in the 1920s>in an effort to bolster the Israeli population zionists cut a deal with the Nazis in 1933 that funded Nazi Germany while they forcefully relocated Jews to Palestine<up until this point the Nazis were focused on political opponents, meaning you could argue the reverse: that Israel caused the holocaust, but you'd need to ignore the raging anti-semitism of Nazi propaganda>in 1944 one of the zionist terror groups that formed Israel tried to ally with the Nazis against Britainthe key events that led to the creation of the country we are complaining about are:
>the advent British colonialism and imperialism>the foundation of the colonies in the Americas>the cotton trade war between the British and Abu Ali Pasha the Ottoman ruler of Egypt>the siege of Akka>the Balfour declaration>the campaign of terror started by the Haganah>the British designing their exit from Palestine to cause maximum chaosnow I know what you're thinking:
<holocaust: 1944<nakba: 1948<holocaust happen then israel happen<holocaust make israelthe problem with this oversimplification is twofold: British Mandatory Palestine had restrictions on Jews immigrating from Europe until after the Nakba, and the majority of Jews that experienced the holocaust were living in the USSR and did not leave for Israel in any significant numbers until the 1970s.
>>2928963I read it all because I wanted to know how someone could be sick enough to burn down hospitals, and now I still don't.
>>2928919I fucked up, the lehi tried to cut a deal with the nazis in 1941, not 1944. they weren't that depraved.
>>2928067>Materially speaking, what can the American left — or any country’s left — do to actually “support” Palestine?wield even the most basic fucking executive functions in cutting ties
>So where does that leave us? What should the left be doing for Palestine that it already hasn’t been doing for the past 20 years?
What about creating a /leftypol/ international battalion to join Hezbollah and Iran in sending an expeditionary force to overthrow Al-Jolani and restore the secular Arab Ba'ath to power in Syria? It'd restore the land bridge between Iran and Hamas.
>>2931604This woman is an idiot. The reason we care about Palestine is because the Palestinian resistance is good for global socialism. Sudan and Congo have no such resistance movements and are therefore useless to our political aspirations.
>>2939913>restore the secular Arab Ba'athThere is nothing left of that party to restore. They agreed to dissolve themselves and the only remnants are a handful of Alawite officers on the run from the new authorities.
>>2940369>The reason we care about Palestine is because the Palestinian resistance is good for global socialism.How exactly? What makes this different from all other liberal humanitarianism?
>>2940372You can’t end capitalism without ending Zionism.
>>2940382Why not? Why is this form of nationalism so special compared to all other forms of nationalism?
>>2940420Because the Palestinian resistance furthers our goals. Africans don’t.
>>2940444>Because the Palestinian resistance furthers our goals. How exactly?
>Africans don’t.Why not?
>>2940454Africans haven’t forged strong relations with the western left for decades like the Palestinians have.
>>2940456So its about vibes?
>>2940469Nta but Vibe coding the Palestinian revolution
>>2928125Why is Adam Friedland smoking weed in Mexico?
>>2940456>islamist entryismLet's celebrate!!
>>2939913How does shooting Iranian and Leb Shia protesters help the revolution islamocuck bro?
>Materially speaking, what can the American left — or any country’s left — do to actually “support” Palestine?
Adventurism and terror
>>2928068I have people who rely upon me. Besides, when someone does end up bombing their local Israeli embassy, you're gonna break them out of prison right? You're not just going to post about it on the internet and let them rot, right?
>>2940382Absolute state of this board
>>2941425good luck doing that in the modern prison system
>>2941428 see
>>2941293Just abscond.
Western leftards mythologies zionism as a unique historical evil because they don't want to admit their capitalist shitholes have done worst
>>2941431Its honestly the best tactic, the courts and prisons in the UK have an over 5 year backlog and simply not showing up is likely to make it so the statue of limitations triggers and they just give up.
germoid mostly drink the kool aid on israel but even in yurop countries you saw a huge shift towards a more anti-israel position, you can now say things that were unthinkable even some years ago. The germoid state vehemtly fights against this new norm however as free speech isnt taken as seriously as in the US, so it has been a much slower shift. However, I think the majority position, atleast in my country, is apathy, lots of my family has been basically unaware of whats happening but that might have also something to do with the fact theyre catholic.
>>2928068First off you're a fed
second off wouldn't that just encourage more sympathy for israel. I could see trump being like "the radical leftists are killing innocent people, I am going to send in more funding to israel to combat these antifa maniacs"
Speaking of stab in the back… what ever happened to the Palestinian knife intifadas that they used to do in Israel in the 90's and 2000's? It was a pretty terrorist (in the literal meaning of the term: inspiring terror) tactic right? So why did they stop?
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