I enjoyed reading Mein Kampf to laugh at Hitler's chuddery:
>My knowledge of the trade-union organization at that time was zero. I could have proved neither its usefulness nor its uselessness. As I was told I must join, I refused. I gave as my grounds that I did not understand the situation, but would not be forced to do anything whatever. Perhaps the former was the reason why they did not throw me out at once. They may have hoped they could convert me or wear me down within a few days. In any case they were deeply mistaken. But within a fortnight I had reached the end of my ability, even if I had wanted to go on. In that fortnight I came to know my surroundings better, so that no power in the world could have forced me to join an organization whose members I had seen in such an unfavorable light. The first few days I was annoyed. At noon some of the men went to near-by public-houses, while others stayed on the lot, and there consumed a (usually quite pitiful) lunch. These were the married men, whose wives brought them their midday soup in miserable dishes. Toward the end of the week their number kept growing; why, I understood later. Then they would talk politics. I would drink my bottle of milk and eat my piece of bread somewhere aside, and would cautiously study my new surroundings or ponder my wretched lot. But still I heard more than enough; and it often seemed to me that people sidled up to me deliberately, perhaps with the intention of forcing me to make my attitude clear. In any case, what I heard in this fashion was calculated to irritate me to the extreme. They were against everything: the nation, as an invention of the “capitalistic” (how often had I to hear that word!) classes; the Fatherland, as a tool of the bourgeoisie to exploit the workers; the authority of law, as a means to oppress the proletariat; the schools, as an institution to (rain up a body of slaves, and of slave-owners as well; religion, as a means of stupefying the people marked for exploitation; morals, as a symbol of stupid, sheep-like patience; and so on. There was simply nothing which they did not drag in the muck of a fearful baseness. At first I tried to maintain silence. But finally I could do so no longer. I began to express my attitude, and began to contradict. Then I realized that this was quite useless until I knew something definite about the points under dispute, so I began to go to the sources from which they drew their supposed wisdom. Book after book, pamphlet after pamphlet had its turn. On the building lot there were now often heated arguments. I went on struggling, growing day by day better informed than my adversaries were, until one day the means was used which most easily vanquishes reason: terrorism, violence. Some of the spokesmen of the opposition forced me either to leave the job at once or to fly off the scaffolding on my head. As I was alone, and resistance seemed hopeless, I preferred to follow the former advice, richer by one experience. I left, filled with disgust, but at the same time so agitated that it would have been quite impossible for me to turn my back on the whole affair. No; after the flaming up of the first indignation, my stiff neck once more got the upper hand. I was absolutely determined to find another construction job just the same. My decision was strengthened by the privation which closed me in its heartless embrace a few weeks later, after I had eaten up what little wages I had saved. Now I had to, whether or no. And the game began all over again, only to end as it had before. I struggled with myself: were these human beings, worthy of belonging to a great people ? It was a painful question. If the answer were yes, the struggle for a national body was really not worth the effort and sacrifice which the best individuals must make; but if the answer were no, our people was poor indeed in human beings.
TL;DR Hitler is impoverished in Vienna, gets a job, refuses to join the union because "i don't know nuffin bout dat shit and u cant make me do nuffin", workers try to educate him, he gets annoyed with them for not being nationalist enough and being anti capitalist, starts to debatebro ben shapiro style, they threaten to beat his nerd ass, he leaves pissed off and decides they're all subhumans. This is hilarious to me because all the neo nazi revisionists try to make hitler out to be more anti capitalist than the "judeobolshevik" marxists.
148 posts and 22 image replies omitted.>>2931233>>2931234 me
And even if Ford did give money to the Nazis (he did not), it was still a drop in the bucket as already proven
>>2931213oh hey its the guy who argues that hitler was actually an anarcho primitivist socialist
>>2931235 me
Debunking of the myth that Ford financed Nazis
>>2931236?
>>2931237 me
Shirer is a bit dated but he accurately described the total retardedness of KPD policy
>>2931232>Didn't argue most the things you're citing, so more strawmen>You are still confusing me with the other anonshow us your very first post in this thread. it's hard to tell when you entered the conversation if this is true.
>>2931237>ford wasn't a fascist, he merely did business with them and thought many of the same things as them lol
>>2931243but he'd totally 100% never give them money right ?
>>2931242These were my first posts
>>2931243Ford personally didn't do business with the Nazi party before they came to power, so keep grasping at straws
Ford Motor Company had business dealings in Germany as well as in the USSR
Actually most of the Red Army domestic truck fleet were GAZ-AA which was a variant of Ford's Model AA truck
>>2931247If he gave them money, surely you can supply verifiable evidence right?
>>2931249 me
Oh and by 1927 Ford retracted the International Jew, shut down his newspaper, and issued an apology because there was some Jewish lawyer suing him for libel hahah
>>2931030My point was that almost half the electorate was still on the broader left, in spite of the "so much for the tolerant left" shit you're pulling rn. Many workers were organized and this was a quite militant affair, because scabs could undermine their livelihoods.
The Nazi mass base was mostly rural, having taken votes from the traditional conservative parties as a result of Darré's campaigning among the peasantry after the great depression.
>>2931211>Big business support only came after Hitler took powerThey did bankrolled the final campaign which led to the end of democracy.
>>2930705you sound like my mom
>>2931259>was still on the broader leftYes on the side of SPD, not KPD
KPD were more obsessed with destroying the SPD than they were fighting the Nazis
>The Nazi mass base was mostly ruralPartially false. True that NSDAP support base concentrated in rural working class and middle class; however by 1930s NSDAP were encroaching on SPD's and KPD's voter base. They formed the broader support base. The NSDAP performed weakest with Catholics though. See:
>>2931197>They did bankrolled the final campaign which led to the end of democracyYes but Hitler was already chancellor by then. That funding came in February 1933 and Hindenburg appointed Hitler as chancellor in January 1933
The NSDAP's rise to popularity before then was almost entirely self-financed
>>2931262 me
Like I said many times, KPD even aided the Nazis because of how much the former hated the SPD
KPD's support base was mostly unemployed urbanites while SPD support base were mostly unionized workers
>>2931259>Many workers were organized and this was a quite militant affair, because scabs could undermine their livelihoods.KPD's opposition to SPD had nothing to do with "scabs." SPD had the largest union in the country
They opposed the SPD in the 1920s and 1930s because Stalin via the Comintern told them to which made the KPD reject SPD offers to form a united front against the Nazis
>>2930685>>2930866You could read "Conquest of Bread" in a day or two. A pamphlet goes by within an hour typically. What seems more likely, is that he read a "A Conquest of Bread", some pamphlets, maybe another book.
If all the books were by Kropotkin, then it's actually plausible. They're more like a series of articles than you can finish within an hour. And not very difficult articles either.
This place is compromised
>>2930684Leftypol fell to russian botnet reactionary garbage.
>>2931302Leftypol was always has been full of /pol/ shills. Its our job to call them out when we spot one.
>>2931304>russian botnet reactionary garbage.everything i dont like is a russian bot, i am very smart
>>2931325bot or not you should take your fascist trash (Russia, Trump, Neocons, Oligarch worship) back to /pol/.
>>2931327Russia sucks and its a rightoid shithole but you better not he a cheerleader for ukronazi attack dogs of nato and the empire. Between a small satan and a great satan its better to side with the small one, and remember that taking no side is just a covert way of taking the side of the powerful.
>>2931302Use lemmy. Leftypol is developing into a sort of containment zone for wreckers and the like. Real discussion goes on in lemmy.
>>2931333I take side of socialism and socialist politics. Your argument is retarded. I will not support fascists just because they are against other fascists, because in the end it will be fascists who will win anyway. Fascist coded threads like /ukr/ should be in siberia with all other crap and not in /leftypol/, unless you exorcise RW political bias in them entirely.
>>2931339Fancy way to say you take no sides (and therefore side with imperialism)
>>2931334Yeah, I think I’m done here. This place is proof that imageboards are just inherently broken
>>2931344And you have some nice mental gymnastics to call yourself a fascist. if you look at /ukr/ it is not objective and it is not left aligned. It is simply cheerleading for Russia.
>>2931324That anon knows what he's doing. He kept playing dumb through the whole conversation. He's baiting. But thank you for the extra dunk against him.
>>2931261Your mom sounds pretty cool anon
>>2931324Hogwash post
1919 Spartacist uprising has nothing to do with KPD retardedness in 1920s and 1930s
>the spd was in gov while the nsdap constantly rose in the pollsYes KPD refused to numerous times to enter a united front with the SPD against NSDAP
KPD considered the SPD a bigger threat than the Nazis (because they got their orders from the Comintern), that's why they worked with the NSDAP sometimes to try to undermine the SPD government (example 1931 Landtag referendum)
NSDAP rose because KPD divided the working class with their antics against SPD; by 1930s NSDAP were stealing votes from SPD and KPD while broadening their support base in the countryside and among the middle class
>the kpd itself was not responsible for the rise of the nsdapFalse. Their antics and divisiveness were key to NSDAP's rise
>lenin was neither a german agent nor a reactionaryDebatable but Lenin's sealed train was organized by Ludendorff with Wilhelm's funding absolutely happened
The Bolsheviks openly admitted this and tried rationalizing it
Not relevant to the point KPD's retardedness though
>the spd also betrayed their own position when it came to warWe're not talking about WW1, we're talking about Weimar period during 1920s and 1930s. Pls try and keep up
>>2931375Playing dumb? You guys were the ones making ad homs, factual errors and strawmanning
Where is the extra "dunk" (in fact where was the initial dunk even)? NSDAP wasn't even a party even Spartacist happened and NSDAP gained major popularity by 1930s, almost 10 years after Spartacist
>>2931406>Playing dumb?yes. watch how the conversation evolved:
>>2930954>[workers] alienated [hitler] by threatening to beat him up over not joining a union (which is just reformist bullshit)>>2930955<marx's criticism of unions was that they weren't militant and revolutionary enough, yet in hitler's case you are criticizing them for being too militant, too violent, too "alienating" to hitler's class collaborationist sensibilities LOL>>2930958>Bottom line is that the communists lost because they alienated much of the working class and this Hitler story is an example of that👆
THIS SHIT RIGHT HERE is where the thread conversation changed from
<"hitler got dunked on by some workers LOL" to
> "ummm sweetie the communists specifically alienated everyone"And you expect us to not just notice that?
Continuing….
>>2930960<Weren't you just two posts ago complaining that these workers were reformists and not real revolutionaries? Now you have changed your rhetoric to "own" us "by our own logic" expecting us not to notice you changed your horse mid race. Good one anon. In this story Hitler was going against the majority of workers at his work place and being an insufferable class collaborationist debatebro for 2 weeks straight.Good one anon. In this story Hitler was going against the majority of workers at his work place and being an insufferable class collaborationist debatebro for 2 weeks straight.>>2931049>(ok i swear this is my last reply regarding this) Not understanding the smugness because you are wrong Unless you support SPD, KPD was not the popular party among working class>KPD violent actions only fueled NSDAP rise while dividing working class👆
THIS SHIT RIGHT HERE is where you further steered the conversation a second time away from Hitler getting dunked on to "umm not just the communists, but the KPD specifically fueled Hitler's rise"
What is your motivation for leaping into a thread meant to dunk on Hitler to attack communists? And if you are not the anon who got banned why are you picking up exactly where he left off in the conversation? And why did you "swear" this is your "last reply" when later in this post
>>2931252 you alleged you were not the same anon? Everyone knows if you close and reopen your browser the (You)s disappear. Those were several hours apart.
>>2931435I hate to IP mog and all but
>>2930954>>2930958Is genuinely a different anon from the guy you're currently arguing with
>>2931435So schizo even the mod gotta tell you to chill out
>>2931591(prediction, the question in point 2 will go unanswered )
>>2931406>The Bolsheviks openly admitted this and tried rationalizing itbecause they expected a defeated russia that couldnt fight, not a red army and a soviet union that industrialized, ergo the bolsheviks turned out to be right, the germans wrong
>>2931406fucking hell, how do often do you ignore my point? the kpd was hostile to the spd because the spd used the freikorps to put down the spartacist uprising (bolsheviks expected this to start a revolution in germany), with this betrayel the kpd (essentially the successors of the spartacists) anf the bolsheviks via the comintern, ruled out a coalition with the spd. The social fascism theory was the result of the spd betrayal, it was a reaction to it, ergo the only ones to blame are the spd. For fucks sake, the kpd was never in government, the spd was. Stop with this revisionist bullshit.
>>2931249there is evidence for him giving money to a white emigre group in germany that was funding the nazis
>>2931671>fucking hell, how do often do you ignore my point? the kpd was hostile to the spd he's going to keep ignoring your point because the only reason he brought up the KPD in the first place was to scare monger about hitler being a victim of the poor mean construction union and this is why commies lost because ummm they're mean to fascists or something.
anyone else got lolworthy excerpts from fascoid "literature"
>>2930954>>2930955>>2930958>>2930960>>2930961>>2930962>>2930962No matter how much you laugh guy's got a point.
Millions DID DIE because dude wasn't persuaded well enough to join the union (and not talented (or open minded) enough to join the art school
And this kind of situation still happens today.
leftists don't get to pretend to be better than everyone else and then complain that the ranks of their little revolution are empty (and they lose).
>>2931333Also yeah Russia is a rightoid shithole after more than 60 years of Communist governence , so the argument that you can just discard rightoids, push them out of society and history will take care of the rest isn't working either.
>>2932310They are still being ruled by soviet elites. There was no lustration in Russia.
>>2932310No, all we need to do is kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down.
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