I enjoyed reading Mein Kampf to laugh at Hitler's chuddery:
>My knowledge of the trade-union organization at that time was zero. I could have proved neither its usefulness nor its uselessness. As I was told I must join, I refused. I gave as my grounds that I did not understand the situation, but would not be forced to do anything whatever. Perhaps the former was the reason why they did not throw me out at once. They may have hoped they could convert me or wear me down within a few days. In any case they were deeply mistaken. But within a fortnight I had reached the end of my ability, even if I had wanted to go on. In that fortnight I came to know my surroundings better, so that no power in the world could have forced me to join an organization whose members I had seen in such an unfavorable light. The first few days I was annoyed. At noon some of the men went to near-by public-houses, while others stayed on the lot, and there consumed a (usually quite pitiful) lunch. These were the married men, whose wives brought them their midday soup in miserable dishes. Toward the end of the week their number kept growing; why, I understood later. Then they would talk politics. I would drink my bottle of milk and eat my piece of bread somewhere aside, and would cautiously study my new surroundings or ponder my wretched lot. But still I heard more than enough; and it often seemed to me that people sidled up to me deliberately, perhaps with the intention of forcing me to make my attitude clear. In any case, what I heard in this fashion was calculated to irritate me to the extreme. They were against everything: the nation, as an invention of the “capitalistic” (how often had I to hear that word!) classes; the Fatherland, as a tool of the bourgeoisie to exploit the workers; the authority of law, as a means to oppress the proletariat; the schools, as an institution to (rain up a body of slaves, and of slave-owners as well; religion, as a means of stupefying the people marked for exploitation; morals, as a symbol of stupid, sheep-like patience; and so on. There was simply nothing which they did not drag in the muck of a fearful baseness. At first I tried to maintain silence. But finally I could do so no longer. I began to express my attitude, and began to contradict. Then I realized that this was quite useless until I knew something definite about the points under dispute, so I began to go to the sources from which they drew their supposed wisdom. Book after book, pamphlet after pamphlet had its turn. On the building lot there were now often heated arguments. I went on struggling, growing day by day better informed than my adversaries were, until one day the means was used which most easily vanquishes reason: terrorism, violence. Some of the spokesmen of the opposition forced me either to leave the job at once or to fly off the scaffolding on my head. As I was alone, and resistance seemed hopeless, I preferred to follow the former advice, richer by one experience. I left, filled with disgust, but at the same time so agitated that it would have been quite impossible for me to turn my back on the whole affair. No; after the flaming up of the first indignation, my stiff neck once more got the upper hand. I was absolutely determined to find another construction job just the same. My decision was strengthened by the privation which closed me in its heartless embrace a few weeks later, after I had eaten up what little wages I had saved. Now I had to, whether or no. And the game began all over again, only to end as it had before. I struggled with myself: were these human beings, worthy of belonging to a great people ? It was a painful question. If the answer were yes, the struggle for a national body was really not worth the effort and sacrifice which the best individuals must make; but if the answer were no, our people was poor indeed in human beings.
TL;DR Hitler is impoverished in Vienna, gets a job, refuses to join the union because "i don't know nuffin bout dat shit and u cant make me do nuffin", workers try to educate him, he gets annoyed with them for not being nationalist enough and being anti capitalist, starts to debatebro ben shapiro style, they threaten to beat his nerd ass, he leaves pissed off and decides they're all subhumans. This is hilarious to me because all the neo nazi revisionists try to make hitler out to be more anti capitalist than the "judeobolshevik" marxists.
/leftychud/ is increasingly anti-union, nationalist, etc. so they will probably be guilty of the same mindset as Hitler in this anecdote and either ignore the thread out of a sense of guilt at looking in the mirror, or reply in defense of Hitler, attacking unions, but trying to give it a "Marxist" or "Bordigist" makeover.
>>2930685Let's be for real, Hitler probably read more than 99% of the fags that browse this site. Reading for most retards nowadays consists of watching TikToks and Instagram reels.
>>2930684this site was a failed experiment. i think it is obvious at this point that all english-speaking online communities are doomed to devolve into white nationalist anarcho-capitalist echo chambers. i don't know why it always ends this way, but it does and no amount of moderation or branding can prevent it.
>>2930684Unions are for reformist faggots. Hitler, the great and authentic revolutionary, is right.
The reason Hitler sucked was that he was an unironic spook.
>>2930700see this is how it starts, it's how it started with 4chan, at first it's just ironic edgelord comments, then it becomes normalized and the irony poisoning sets in communitywide, then suddenly the people who actually seriously believe this kind of nonsense feel like they have found their new home and they come swarming in like flies to a pile of shit, because to the flies if it looks like shit and tastes like shit then it's good enough for them. the fact that the site is called "leftypol" only makes it better, a funny ironic name for a toxic far-right echo chamber.
>>2930705>>2930698>>2930684This is the type of posting that subtly enables that sort of degeneration. Agent provocateur type shit.
>>2930700The only thing hitler made clear in OP's exerpt was how much of a cucked sperg he was. Spook is right, spooked to the fucking gills and any authenticity he had was being authentically brain dead.
>>2930705Is it really that much worse than most of the previous 12 years?
>>2930705Imo I kinda blame the rules, have you actually read them? Being a lib or a far right cuck is actually allowed so long as you act polite enough. The way I see it leftypol should be a dictatorship with a written dogma document and with rules against wrongthink.
>>2930705Stop whining, faggot.
>>2930706>The only thing hitler made clear in OP's exerpt was how much of a cucked sperg he was.Meh. He's unintentionally correct in a very, very narrow way. He witnessed radlib activsts in real-time, and rightfully thought they were retarded (but for the wrong reasons).
>>2930679Anyways, Hitler writes against both capitalism and Marxism in Mein Kampf because he treats them both as Jewish inventions. I should note though that Hitler distinguishes between financial capital, which he considers Jewish, and industrial capital, which he considers beneficial to the nation. The distinction is rather silly, given pretty much everything can be financialized under capitalism, but whatever.
<Previously I didn't clearly recognize the difference between capital that is purely the product of creative labor, and capital that is exclusively the result of financial speculation. Here I needed an inspiration to set my mind thinking in this direction; but that impulse had not appeared.<The necessary inspiration now came from one of the men who lectured in the course I mentioned earlier. This was Gottfried Feder.<For the first time in my life, I heard a discussion of the principles of international stock exchange capital and loan capital.<After hearing Feder's first lecture, the idea immediately came into my head that I had now found one of the most essential prerequisites for the founding of a new party.<To my mind, Peder's merit lay in the ruthlessly brutal way in which he described the double character of capital engaged in stock-exchange and loan transaction, exposing the fact that this capital is always dependent on the payment of interest. In fundamental questions, his statements were so full of common sense that his critics didn't deny their theoretical soundness, but only whether it would be possible to put these ideas into practice. To me this seemed the strongest point in Peder's teaching, though others considered it a weakness.
<When I heard Gottfried Feder's first lecture on 'breaking interest slavery, ' I understood immediately that here was a truth of transcendental importance for the future of the German people. The absolute separation of stock exchange capital from the national economy would make it possible to oppose the internationalization of the German economy without at the same time attacking capital per se. Doing so would jeopardize the foundations of our national independence. I clearly saw what was developing in Germany, and I realized then that the hardest battle we would have to fight would not be against the enemy nations, but against international capital. In Feder's speech I found an effective rallying-cry for our corning struggle.<Here, again, later events proved how correct our impression was. The fools among our bourgeois politicians don't laugh at us now. Even they now see-insofar as they are not deliberate liars-that international stock. exchange capital was not only the chief instigator for the war, but that now when the fighting has ended, it turns the peace into a hell<The struggle against international finance capital and loan-capital has become one of the most important points in the program of the German nation's fight for economic independence and freedom.<Regarding the objections raised by so-called practical people, the following answer must suffice : All fears concerning the terrible economic consequences that would follow the abolition of interest-capital slavery are superfluous. In the first place, the economic principles followed thus far have proven nearly fatal to the interests of the German people.<Thus it was that Gottfried Feder's conclusions caused me to make a fundamental study of a question with which I had previously not been very familiar.<I began to study again, and thus it was that I came to truly understand the substance and purpose of the life-work of the Jew Karl Marx. His Capital became intelligible to me now for the first time. I now exactly understood the Social Democrats' fight against national economics-a fight that was to prepare the ground for the hegemony of a true international and stock exchange capital.What's ironic is that when Hitler took power, he basically sidelined Feder on behalf of industrial capital and Hjalmar Schacht, who by all means was a member of the "international capital" clique Hitler condems in Mein Kampf.
(You do not under any circumstances gotta hand it to Hitler) >>2930706>This is the type of posting that subtly enables that sort of degeneration. Agent provocateur type shit.deny, argue, reverse victim and offender
>>2930707>Is it really that much worse than most of the previous 12 years?yes it is. political leaders and billionaires behaving like authoritarian nihilists who despise humanity is par for the course, but when ordinary common people start doing it something is wrong. we're supposed to be better than that, we're supposed to be authentic and human and not be consumed into delusional fantasy worlds or phony affected edgelord personas, we're supposed to be real. we all had our fun being annoying internet teenagers a long time ago but eventually it's time to grow up and face reality, otherwise we'll just become like our boomer parents on facebook.
>>2930679Quite interesting that one.
>In that FORTNIGHT I came to know my SURroundings better>my stiff NECK once more got the upper hand>I was absolutely determined to find another CONSTRUCTION job just the sameHitler is icky blue Odysseus. Sneedius even. Man of hawk tuah.
hitler will never be a chad like Stalin
>>2930696the retard didn't even write his own book
>>2930729Thank you. This shit is getting so goddamn boring
>>2930713>Hitler distinguishes between financial capital, which he considers Jewish, and industrial capital, which he considers beneficial to the nationHoly shit, Hitler read Michael Hudson?
>>2930763Michael Hudson read Hitler…
>>2930700>so butthurt about the founder of the italian communist party that she started larping as a leftgod hitleriteKWAB
>>2930729Agreed, shit's lame. Problem is probably that this place has a lot of not so ordinary and not very common people. Not to mention there's always a new fresh load of annoying internet teenagers to shit things up.
It doesn't help this board used to be hosted on an absolute cesspit called 8chan, with lovely neighbours like mass shooters and pedophiles.
>>2930774>this place has a lot of not so ordinary and not very common peopledon't be fooled by their act, they're as common as fucking american cheese
>>2930775Growing up online is a failed social experiment that’s led to two emotionally stunted generations
has anyone read hitlers second book? the one where he says america is a bigger threat than the ussr
>>2930713>Hitler distinguishes between financial capital, which he considers Jewish, and industrial capital, which he considers beneficial to the nation. But industrial capital leads to finance capital. You outsource your productive forces to less "developed" regions where the workers are more easily exploited, less unionized, less labor-aristocratic, etc. This means that your imperial core is left deindustrialized, so you financialize everything back home, put everyone into service sector jobs, and beef up your military to protect your industrial interests abroad. We see this with the USA. Had the nazis won WW2 they would have taken similar liberties with the periphery, since they were not shy about invading and enslaving foreign peoples.
>>2930761A lot of books are written by spoken dictation with the help of transcribers.
>>2930713>He's unintentionally correct in a very, very narrow way. He witnessed radlib activsts in real-time, and rightfully thought they were retarded (but for the wrong reasons).In the anecdote from the OP there is nothing "radlib" he's just mad at working class dudes in construction jobs who want him to join a union. He's mad that they talk about capitalism, about the bourgeoisie, about the proletariat. He is mad at them for not being nationalist, and he's mad at them for seeing nationalism as a tool to control the proletariat. None of this is "radlib" very sussy that you would see any of this as "radlib"
>>2930806People on this website have liberal derangement syndrome
>>2930700>>2930713Kill yourselves as soon as possible
>>2930805which has exactly nothing to do with the discussion. thanks, play again. idiot.
>>2930804Why did you truncate what I said?
<The distinction is rather silly, given pretty much everything can be financialized under capitalism, but whatever.>>2930806I don't care why he hated them. They deserve to be hated.
>>2930808No.
>>2930810>Why did you truncate what I said?Apologies, I didn't intend it as a counterargument. I did read the following sentence, I just wanted to respond to the "idea" at length even if it wasn't your sincere opinion.
>>2930809It means he wrote the book. Trotsky, Stalin, and Mao all heavily used transcribers too.
>>2930810>I don't care why he hated them. They deserve to be hated.OK, so they weren't radlib as you contended, they were class conscious workers around the turn of the 20th century. Not exactly the pinnacle of what people mean when they say "radlib" on here.
>>2930813If they were pro-union then they were radlibs.
>>2930813>they were class conscious workers around the turn of the 20th century. Class consciousness and organizing is literally liberalism.
>>2930814And hitler totally wasnt a capitalist liberal.
>>2930713>everything I don't like is jewish.Why couldn't he just figure out that the problem is capitalism and not the capitalist Jews? He doesn't even properly criticize ideologies and just calls them Jewish. This guy is genuinely a lot more retarded than I thought he'd be.
>>2930814The Marxistposition has always been that unionizing isn't going far enough, not that it's actively harmful.
Marx:
<Thirdly. Trade Unions work well as centers of resistance against the encroachments of capital. They fail partially from an injudicious use of their power. They fail generally from limiting themselves to a guerilla war against the effects of the existing system, instead of simultaneously trying to change it, instead of using their organized forces as a lever for the final emancipation of the working class that is to say the ultimate abolition of the wages system.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1865/value-price-profit/ch03.htm#c14 >>2930816>Class consciousness and organizing is literally liberalism. OK if you think that's the case why are you using "radlib" as an insult.
>>2930817>Why couldn't he just figure out that the problem is capitalism and not the capitalist Jews? He doesn't even properly criticize ideologies and just calls them Jewish. This guy is genuinely a lot more retarded than I thought he'd be.This is the power of idpol. Instead of "the problem is capitalism", it becomes "the problem is [insert enemy identity group] and the particular form of capitalism that [insert enemy identity group] does, therefore we need to do [insert friendly identity group] capitalism."
>>2930817>Why couldn't he just figure out that the problem is capitalism and not the capitalist Jews?Hitler was fine with capitalism. He wanted to replace jewish bourgeoisie with german bourgeoisie thinking this would solve the problem of conflicting material interests.
>And, indeed, for any eye accustomed to European forms of economy, it was most compelling to see the differences that became apparent when one entered into Soviet territory. Even from an aircraft one observed the sudden change in the cultivation of the land. The many small fields that are characteristic for the European farmer disappeared and gave place to a wide-spaced but still rational division of land. The fertile plains of the Ukraine spread out in gigantic rectangles impossible to overlook, ordered and impeccably cultivated like a carpet of order and diligence, which could hardly be more impressively conceived. It was manifest that here something had been achieved and developed economically, with which the forms of western economies could not compete in the long run. This impression is confirmed by the detailed reports of agrarian experts. The same impression is repeated when inspecting even the destroyed industrial plants. Even from their ruins one could see that they had been equipped in the most modern fashion and had disposed a gigantic production capacity.
>One has to have unqualified respect for Stalin. In his way, the guy is quite a genius! His ideals such as Genghis Khan and so forth he knows very well, and his economic planning is so all-encompassing that it is only exceeded by our own Four-Year Plan. I have no doubts whatsoever that there have been no unemployed in the USSR, as opposed to capitalist countries such as the USA. (Picker 1983, 452)
hitler was the OG stalin glazer
>>2930818lol he ran out of cope after that
>>2930818This was before trade unions became a fundamental building block of reaction with Sorel and the Proudhon Circle
>>2930812i give up. you are stupid.
>>2930824Sorry bro, I know you posted this to make Stalin look bad but if Hitler and even Churchill had some respect towards the pipe smoker then it simply means they couldnt deny the truth™
>>2930817>Why couldn't he just figure out that the problem is capitalism and not the capitalist Jewshitler perfectly understood capitalist contradictions and its inherent weaknesses, it wasn't just financial capital he was struggling against
>The present world commodity market is not unlimited. The number of industrially active nations has steadily increased. Almost all European nations suffer from an inadequate and unsatisfactory relation between soil and population. Hence they are dependent on world export. In recent years the American Union has turned to export, as has also Japan in the East. Thus a struggle automatically begins for the limited markets, which becomes tougher the more numerous the industrial nations become and, conversely, the more the markets shrink.
>For while on the one hand the number of nations struggling for world markets increases, the commodity market itself slowly diminishes, partly in consequence of a process of self industrialization on their own power, partly through a system of branch enterprises which are more and more coming into being in such countries out of sheer capitalist interest.
>For we should bear the following in mind: the German people, for example, has a lively interest in building ships for China in German dockyards because thereby a certain number of men of our nationality get a chance to feed themselves which they would not have on our own soil, which is no longer sufficient.
>But the German people has no interest, say, in a German financial group or even a German factory opening a so-called branch dockyard in Shanghai which builds ships for China with Chinese workers and foreign steel, even if the corporation earns a definite profit in the form of interest or dividend.
>On the contrary the result of this will be only that a German financial group earns so and so many million, but as a result of the orders lost a multiple of this amount is withdrawn from the German national economy
<The more pure capitalist interests begin to determine the present economy, the more the general viewpoints of the financial world and the stock exchange achieve a decisive influence here, the more will this system of branch establishments reach out and thus artificially carry out the industrialization of former commodity markets and especially curtail the export possibilities of the European mother countries.
<The so-called peaceful economic conquest of the world could take place only if the earth consisted of purely agrarian nations and but one industrially active and commercial natio >>2930832>anon alleges organizing is radlib<is proven wrong>anon now allages organizing is a "fundamental building block of reaction"all of this in a conversation where the context puts you in defense of hitler btw.
>>2930844>hitler perfectly understood capitalist contradictions and its inherent weaknessesFunny joke. Meanwhile the OP excerpt demonstrates Hitler seething at workers and regarding them as subhuman for subordinating his precious "aryan nation" to the class struggle.
>>2930848>this is just vulgar bourgeois-nationalistic protectionism exactly and you can see the exact same rhetoric creeping into the right wing European consciousness, especially hitlers comments about immigration
>>2930848>>2930851also the soil fertility issue Hitler brings up in that excerpt has clear ecological solutions. I think what vexes me the most is the phrase "a certain number of men of our nationality get a chance to feed themselves"
a chance to feed themselves? an opportunity to get exploited by the correct nationality?
>>2930684a prediction which came true so fast that it flabbers one's gast and boggles one's mind.
>>2930853>also the soil fertility issue Hitler brings up in that excerpt has clear ecological solutions. the thing you have to keep in mind is the 1930s were permeated with the dumb idea that human population growth would eventually outpace whatever productivity gains were made in agriculture, with land being the most important bottleneck he concluded lebensraum was the only option for survival to compete with the 'healthy' land-to-population ratios that america and the ussr had at the time. Obviously in 2026 we kinda have the opposite problem with negative birthrates even in places like india
>>2930859>the 1930s were permeated with the dumb idea that human population growth would eventually outpace whatever productivity gains were made in agriculturedoesn't that just come from Malthus originally? In any case if there truly is a limit to population growth on Earth (finite environment with finite resources) the solution is to plan around that, instead of pretend you can grow your "herrenvolk" infinitely as long as you do enough lebensraum and genocide.
>Obviously in 2026 we kinda have the opposite problem with negative birthrates even in places like indiaand the chuds meanwhile freak out about immigration from the few places that still have more than 3 births per woman, and think the solution is to deport immigrants and ban birth control, abortion, contraception, sex education… but you aren't going to get women to go back to their semi-feudal status as baby factories on a farm.
>>2930685it's especially funny because he says this all happened in two weeks. He went from having zero knowledge of class struggle, rejecting joining the union, to listening to conversations at pubs, to asking them for sources, to reading those sources, to beating them in debates, to getting kicked out of his job for wining debates. All in 14 days he insists this happened. "A fortnight."
>>2930866And everyone clapped btw
>>2930807People on this website have a whole lot of of different derangement syndromes towards anyone who isn't an ultra-leninist edgelord whose definition of communism amounts to "Kill billions and throw the survivors into volcel work camps because communism is when you're as miserable as I am"
Look, the dissenting anon in this thread is right. This place is a failed experiment because imageboards are a failed experiment. Anonymity is a good thing but taking it to such an extreme means moderation is meaningless in an era of VPN spam and Tor.
Eventually, the emotionally stunted freaks and morons shout down everyone else. Take what happens in /usapol/: incels periodically spam the thread with "billions must die" rhetoric, weird e-drama beefs, vulgar third-worldism and terminally online culture-war ranting.
The rationale is usually the same: "We are le ebin infowarrior bullying the unclean into suicide!" when it's obvious that people are just leaving the site for places with better moderation. Congratulations schizos, you killed your own site!
>>2930854The sad reality is that a nonzero amount of young anglophone communists aren't really interested in a better alternative to capitalism, they're just the same alienated "fuck normies" kids you get with every generation
>>2930882<golden billionoid once again believes he represents the entire human population Must be a day that ends in Y
>>2930887>people in the developing and third world are emotionally stunted internet addicts like meI can assure you that your average Chinese, Uzbek, or Kenyan would find you just as weird and repulsive as anyone else
>>2930882>it's obvious that people are just leaving the site for places with better moderationLike where tho
>>2930893lemmy is where I go when people here are too retarded and it starts pissing me off
>>2930924I mean when it’s Hitler, it is pretty funny
>>2930925Because you're a liberal
>>2930928Its kinda tiresome to read rightoids accusing you of liberalism. Look in the mirror.
>>2930938>everyone i don't like is rightoidNo, retard. You're a liberal faggot for demanding ideological purity
This type of retarded shit is exactly why the Freikorps pushed the German communists' shit in
>>2930940 (me)
And how the Nazis took power in the first place. They had more material support from the people, whereas communists only appealed to urban workers because they alienated most of the conservative peasantry
>>2930942hitler fucked over the peasantoids hard so whatever they got what they deserved and all the dumbass freikorps who wanted another war got BTFO hard as well. they were all treatlerites who deserved to die anyways. no country that refuses to choose communism deserves to exist.
>>2930924but he didn't get fired, the workers threatened to beat his ass for not joining the union and he walked away. Hitler was scabbing out of a sense of interclass loyalty to muh aryan boss and ran away before he could get tarred and feathered by the based marxoids at his workplace. I'm surprised nobody else has corrected you on this deliberate misreading,
>>2930947>>2930949Have fun never winning and whining on imageboards then lol
Alienating workers is why communists lose
>>2930952Yeah, they alienated him by threatening to beat him up over not joining a union (which is just reformist bullshit)
(Alienate these nuts) >>2930954>Yeah, they alienated him by threatening to beat him up over not joining a union (which is just reformist bullshit)marx's criticism of unions was that they weren't militant and revolutionary enough, yet in hitler's case you are criticizing them for being too militant, too violent, too "alienating" to hitler's class collaborationist sensibilities LOL
>>2930955Why does Marx's opinion matter in this material analysis? Marxism isn't dogma
Bottom line is that the communists lost because they alienated much of the working class and this Hitler story is an example of that
You can't threaten to beat up workers and expect them to take your side
>>2930954>my problem with unions is that they're reformist and not revolutionary militant, this is why i am jumping to the defense of adolf hitler, who in this case was mad at the union for not being more class collaborationist, more racist, more nationalistic, and threatening him with organized violence for being a scab who refused to join. >>2930958>Bottom line is that the communists lost because they alienated much of the working class and this Hitler story is an example of thatWeren't you just two posts ago complaining that these workers were reformists and not real revolutionaries? Now you have changed your rhetoric to "own" us "by our own logic" expecting us not to notice you changed your horse mid race.
>You can't threaten to beat up workers and expect them to take your sideGood one anon. In this story Hitler was going against the majority of workers at his work place and being an insufferable class collaborationist debatebro for 2 weeks straight.
>>2930961but jannies will just REMOVE their posts instead of keeping up their dumb arguments and our correct counter arguments like the trve platonic dialogues they are. I want them banned with a message attached that they were crucified for being stupid. I do not want their stupid opinion removed because that removes the context of what I am replying to.
>>2930964if that's your priority then I dont want you complaining when the overall quality of the website goes down the shitter. As the userbase of this site we too have a responsability for its quality in the sense that its impossible for mods and jannies to be everywhere, they can only do their job properly is the users themselves do their job properly.
>>2930958>You can't threaten to beat up workers and expect them to take your sideExcept that's what happened for the most part. Most workers were on the side of the social democrats or the communists, not the Nazis. It was the petty bourgeoisie and peasantry that formed the mass base of Nazism.
>>2930967Actually, I apologize, jannies did exactly what I wanted, and crucified his dumb ass with a ban message, while leaving up his gloriously stupid opinion for all of us to marvel at like a shit stained canvas in the louvre
>>2930974tell your children not to walk his way…
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