The ongoing student, and non-student protests (and also those of Belgium, Italy, and Albania to a weaker extent) are promising signs of revolution, BUT if this is only the start it is the end.
Occuptions, student strikes, riotting, and arson don't overthrow the state only dual power (ex establishing parallel political Institutions) will make these amount to anything beyond a histotical footnote. The only form of dual power that exists is theoractial, and I will give credit to the students attempting to create assembies and trade unions also attempting so, but unless THEY ACTUALLY DO IT the protests will be a fail.
And if these fail the state will just have more of a justifcation to further its surveillance state and prevent anymore uprisings, this is why the USA looks pathetic right now its not because people aren't mad its because the bourgesis state kidnaps anyone who attempts them and aids reformist liberals.
TLDR no organization dual power = these protests will die out and stregthen the bourgesis state in the long-term.
54 posts and 5 image replies omitted.>>2935283
Writing has tone, I despise yours, you and every other Marxist and STEM major need to get thrown into a corn thresher
this is just the ruling class using the lumpen to attack the working class
>>2935282>why are there retards who bring palestine's flag to every unrelated protest and potential riot? are they paid agitators or just mentally handicapped?its george soros's new project
>>2935288
There’s no substance, you see workers you disagree with and declare them deformed and degenerate no matter how much productive work they actually do.
>>2935294
Not even when they have productive jobs, do everyone a favor and shoot xylazine laced fentanyl
>>2935294
>Doesn't know the difference between a Bum and a Hobo
fuckin oogles
>>2935326
uygha get a job
>>2935330
I would rather drink beer with a bum than with you, buddy
>>2935321
>>2935326
>>2935330
Can the jannies ban him
Tfw went from class ally to immediate class enemy because boss cut my hours and the rent went up
>>2935358
>their employment is often precarious, irregular, and/or disconnected from stable wage labor… we can safely cast off this social scum
>>2935111I never got these "poverty rates". What do I buy with 2 euros in Europe? A loaf of bread?
In asia its probably 2 meals at least.
>>2935378
How can wasting capital be productive?
>>2935378
How is working a regular job and blowing it all on phone based gambling apps any better? You make too much and you’re a labor aristocrat, make too little or not consistent and you’re a lumpen, so the actual proletariat is a minuscule minority if not completely extinct.
>>2934563>>2934565Albania is ruled by a post-communist socialdemocratic party, it doesn't get better than this in nato-controlled eastern europe, so any kind of protests against them can only be Sorosian or Sorosian-like in nature
Have the protests ended?
>>2934563>this is why the USA looks pathetic right now its not because people aren't mad its because the bourgesis state kidnaps anyone who attempts them and aids reformist liberals.No, it's because even violent protests like the 2020 "Summer of Floyd" didn't accomplish all that much other than electing Joe Biden, who rolled back what little accomplishments were made. Same thing with the protests in Chile a year before that. Leftoids don't want to hear this but spontaneous inchoate protests with little organization amount to nothing. That's what's going to come out of this in the long run. A French version of Gabriel Boric or Joe Biden.
>>2935196
but you just said hobos are X Y Z and therefore different than people with jobs then anon said he is X Y Z despite having a job. did you miss anon's point?
>>2935057
the actual argument:
>mutual aid is part of building dual power, because the alternative to mutual aid is relying on social-democratic handouts and concessions from the bourgeoisie
your resppnse:
<REEEEEE COMMIT SUICIDE REEEEEEEEE I HAVE NO COUNTER ARGS YOU DONT DESERVE ONE I AM SHITTING MY PANTS LIKE A TODDLER REEEEE REEEEEEEE
>>2935512Good sign but I see no organization other then lumpens having guns and threatening people, unless they establish dual power using the weapons the same result will happen as Op stated
I'm not a huge fan of appelism/vitalism but Lundi Matin has recently published an article that touches on the themes in this thread, perhaps some of you will find it interesting.
https://lundi.am/Manifeste-du-lumpen-scoletariatenglish machine-translation here:
https://justpaste.it/fx6es>>2935827you are racist you said somalians cant nuke or som shit
>>2935827Didn't get the point of the text outside of "the experiences they're having will become part of them" 2 paragraphs of mental masturbation as well at the start
>>2935890Thats crackkerism-leftism for you
>>2934563They do have a party and a dual power structure behind them though. Not sure how the LFI is taking up the protests, but most of the youth supports them and they have a real chance of winning the presidency.
>inb4 socdemsWhat have trad based Marxist-Leninist partylets done for the past 50 years?
>>2934721>you're not extremely poor if you can't afford shelterThese are the takes I love leftypol for
<This society dates from the year 1849. On the pretext of founding a benevolent society, the lumpen proletariat of Paris had been organized into secret sections, each section led by Bonapartist agents, with a Bonapartist general at the head of the whole. Alongside decayed roués with dubious means of subsistence and of dubious origin, alongside ruined and adventurous offshoots of the bourgeoisie, were vagabonds, discharged soldiers, discharged jailbirds, escaped galley slaves, swindlers, mountebanks, lazzaroni,[105] pickpockets, tricksters, gamblers, maquereaux [pimps], brothel keepers, porters, literati, organ grinders, ragpickers, knife grinders, tinkers, beggars — in short, the whole indefinite, disintegrated mass, thrown hither and thither, which the French call la bohème; from this kindred element Bonaparte formed the core of the Society of December 10.>>2934563>Occidental consumer lumpen alienated from the means of production push for lasalleite reforms during times of capitalist decay by chimping out>Eurocums sit on the cuck chair while liberals greenlight the road to fascism once againA Bordigger classic, ziggers don't even need to do anything anymore.
>>2934719>Class consciousness is when you realize that your struggle and the panhandler's struggle is the same struggle.Get a job you jewish negroid revisionalist. Each and every single one of you socdems gone from this earth is one step closer to abolishing commodity production because you have zero use-value to the actual proletariat.
Why the fuck were my vincent bevin posts deleted?
>>2936818
Geg
How do you deliniate between a reserve army of labor member and a lumpen?
>>2937013So if it’s legal activity that exploits and worsens other proles it’s fine? If alcohol is legal being a cashier at a liquor store or a bartender is perfectly kosher? Pit bosses and table gambling dealers are fine?
>>2937018Criminality has nothing to do with legality. Getting proles hooked on drugs and getting rich off them is just as bad as a bourgeois capitalist running a sweatshop.
>>2937132So you agree that workers at breweries and distilleries are lumpen
>>2937013Where do you people even live? Or is this whole place just highly paid white-collar types cosplaying? Because most people working blue-collar or low-wage jobs live in the same culture of criminality and scheming as the street crowd. Marx couldn't see this because Engels was funding him the whole time, so he never had to comprehend crime as an income strategy. His critique might have held water in the 1800s Germany, when workers were still fully steeped in Christian traditionalist moralism. In 2026 Baltimore, people with jobs commit crime at the same rate as people without. At every job I've ever worked, a new coworker got into legal trouble every year, some go to jail. My friend's an ironworker, a well-paid union job, and even he tells me how many of the guys on his crew just got out of prison, are fighting cases, or got busted in long-term investigations while working their daily job.
OP was proven right
>>2937972You’re a djinn and I banish you, OUT, YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE
>>2937982OUT DEVIL, I REBUKE YOU
>>2937886don't count your eggs or something
Bumping this because its becoming more and more true
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