THE HERO APPEARSFrance imposes curfews in parts of Paris, other cities after weekend of riotshttps://www.reuters.com/world/europe/frances-macron-declines-interior-ministers-offer-resign-2026-10-19/
>French authorities set curfews in parts of several cities on Monday, including Paris, Lille and Nice, as they faced pressure over security failings after a weekend of riots and looting stemming from nationwide anti-government protests.Prime Minister Sebastien Lecornu had ruled out a blanket curfew in Paris but not a state of emergency, and had said it was more appropriate for now to apply partial and localised curfews.
>"My determination to restore order is absolute," he told reporters.Paris police said they had issued orders barring protests in certain areas of the French capital from 8 p.m. (1800 GMT) and had issued a curfew around the Place de la Republique and Les Halles from 11:00 p.m. Both would remain in effect until 6 a.m. on Tuesday morning.
>"A police deployment is in place to ensure strict compliance with these measures," the police said in a statement.
>A source in Lecornu's office said a curfew for minors had been set between 8 p.m. and 6 a.m. for the next two days in Lille, Douai, Wattignies and Denain with the agreement of the local mayors. hey I was gonna make the new thread >:|
>>2935470>>2935475Good these petty-bourgesisie loser deserves to be ransacked.
>>2935470Wait, a manager? So not even his shop? God these people are cucked.
>>2935475First image is a gigaquote though
>>2935483They are fat lazy shits
>>2935470Imagine the smell.
A French weeb.
Its happening bros
>Communism is when you destroy comic shops
>>2935470treatler final boss
>>2935607>bu-bu-but think about the smoll bizness owners!!!hecking updoot dood
we were already using this one
>>2934563mods fusion the threads and stop clutter and thread splitting!
The riots are counterrevolutionary, and they’ll fizzle like BLM did
Before anyone calls me a lib: my problem isn’t property damage or civility. My problem is that this isn’t a revolutionary process, and calling it one is idealist cope.
The riots themselves have no organization behind them. No coordinating structure, no demands beyond “fuck the state,” nobody building anything resembling dual power. Yes, the unions have called a strike for November 5, but that’s a separate mobilization over wages and the budget, not something the riots built or answer to. Spontaneity without organization just lets off pressure, and the state is fine with that. People burn out, Lecornu announces that order is restored, curfews go in, and the repression apparatus comes out bigger and more normal than before.
BLM went the same way. In 2020 it looked like a rupture: huge turnout, elites visibly scared. Two years later you had millions in settlements, a handful of cops convicted, and nothing structural changed. The movement got demobilized, co-opted, and in some places turned into NGO careers, because nobody had built an organization that could turn that anger into lasting power. Same conditions here, so expect the same result.
And yes, the lumpen element is real. Look at this thread: a Micromania manager getting stomped, comic shops looted. When the targets are small shops and the main activity is looting, rather than workers striking or taking over workplaces, that’s disorder, not class struggle. Marxists have always drawn that line, because the bourgeoisie uses exactly this kind of destruction to justify repression.
I give the riots a few weeks. Curfews plus police deployment plus zero organizational continuity means people go home. And don’t count on November 5 to save it. It’s a one-day strike, and France has run this play before: 2010, 2016, 2023, one strike day after another, record turnouts, and the government passed every reform anyway. The times the unions actually won, like 1995, it was open-ended strikes that shut the country down for weeks, not a day of marching. Unless November 5 turns into something like that, it ends the same way, and what’s left is more police power and a more confident state.
I’m not trying to moralize at the people out there. I just think we should be honest about what this is. Revolution needs organization, demands, and structures that outlast the news cycle, and none of that exists here yet.
>>2935537>muh putinWho let Ukrainian nazis into antifascist movement?
>>2935636Also, they need to vet who they support
>>2935642 They "transformed" demands of the French people into milquetoast liberal "no to war" (but let NATO invade anybody they want) demands
>>2935607Somebody giga this
>>2935700It's strange that they put copyright above human lives but then love AI.
>>2935700>what attracts people to anime is the homogenous fascistic cultureNo, it's good-looking cartoons. People would be attracted to westoid animation, too, if it wasn't grotesque shit in 80% of cases.
>>2935636The unions are sellouts, they chose November 5 because they don't want to seize the opportunity and win, they're there to canalize worker anger into uselessness. If things go on like this they'll get forbidden just like LFI anyways despite all their cucked pleas to the fascists they refuse to fight that they're peaceful
>>2935462The Paris Commune: first as tragedy, then as a farce.
>>2935747AI is corpo slop themed, what they can't stand is people using their own creativity in a non-corp approved way
>>2936018
You are right in critizising MLs but Europe is not de-industrialised. That meme has to die. Service workers (which are proles too) have risen in percentage. But Europe (and US) is still a powerhouse in steel, car manufacturing, telecommunications, air transport,…
>>2936024
blud it doesnt matter if theres no dual power theres no revolution
Again as ive said before if this is the start it is the end, alternative systems (ex soviets) need to be established by the riotters
>>2935607thats right, we dialectically adapted the communist program to the french volk material conditions and now communism is when you destroy comic shops, take your dogmatic, idealist nonsense somewhere else, wrecker
>>2936031
>>2936034
>>2936036
stop having a melty
>>2936036
We all support killing anime petty bourgesisie what are you talking about
>>2936044
Tbh idk why leftypol is still partnered with GETchan it sucks so much and is putting down the PR of leftypol. Leftypol should partner with its actual sister site leftysoy
Like unless GETchan is paying fot sever costs they havent done anything to help the site in the last 4 years
>>2936047
Trvth anime should be banned its brimstone
Only prolegems like candycrush and gigachads should be allowed
>>2936049
>WAHHHH I CANT POST MY ANIME BRIMSTONE SO I NEED TO PARNTER WITH A SHIT PEDO CHAN PUTTING OUR PR DOWN
okay but if leftypol jannies are bad what can we even do about it
Complaining about imaginary pedophiles is cia behavior
usually a raid has more people, this is just embarrassing.
>>2935642>literally any post criticizes Putin even once>instant defence postAgain, it is very, very obvious you people are SVR agents. You gives yourselves away every time because you're legally obligated to do it. The way you insist on defending Putin at absolutely every mention of his name will never come across as natural and makes your glowies status extremely obvious. You have to tell him that he needs to allow some talk about him that you guys DON'T respond to, otherwise the psyop becomes extremely obvious since he's the only leader who gets this defensive dogpile any time he is mentioned.
>Global Maoist Front
Oh shit we got another 09A style schizocult like the "Jucheists" that people were having mental breakdowns over last summer
>>2935636They also went above and beyond to target neutral subjects of French upper-lower society which will be a gift for the far-right
>>2935502>>2935503>i24>no proofisreal desperately trying to deflect from their genocide and collapse.
>>2936141
>petite-bourgeois interests and perspectives. It's always the most comfortable people denouncing warriors and bandits.
petite-bourgeois interests is what wins elections currently.
>>2935700> It's ironic that all these leftwing people are also drawn to Japan.French TV was flooded with anime in the 80's 90's because it was dirt cheap, causing a long lasting cultural influence of the manga/anime aesthetics from which originated an interest in Japan.
>>2936144
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>>2935636>they’ll fizzle like BLM didunfortunately, that's because the US isn't financing them, and even the timid left leadership isn't demanding the direct overthrown of the state.
same old problem:
most revolutions during the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries happened because superpowers financed them, help them, or directly intervened militarily to make them a reality.
No states backing the overthrow of a state, your revolution is doomed.
that's why the us operates through embassies, ned, usaid, sanctions, debt, co-opting military officers, politicians, etc. etc. etc. and last resort: invasion, military intervention, bombs, blockades, etc.
>>2936153
lmao you're a clown
>>2936160don't mind if i do
>>2936162>Yeah, we were about to hit them with the third nuke. Ok I can't find it now, but a mind-blowing fact, the Americans thought that the Japs were hardcore kamikazist, they estimate that it would take like 20 something nukes before they stopped being crazy and laid down.
>>2936164ayayay.
Finally.
>An exact, specific document outlining the estimated total number of atomic bombs that would have to be dropped on Japan comes from a August 13, 1945, phone conversation between General John E. Hull and Colonel L. E. Seeman.>In the declassified transcript from the War Department, the high-level military planners calculated that it would take a total of 12 to 15 atomic bombs to achieve complete Japanese surrender during the mainland invasion campaign. Maybe the soviets would've landed with their 100% American lend-lease landing ships. Maybe Japan could've survived 15+ nukes. What a fun speculation!
>>2936182
2 more week lmao
>>2935700funny how the infatuation with japan has entirely ended once the world actually interacted with the japs. Meanwhile actual visits to China are the antidote to centuries of anti-China hysteria.
>>2936162The real crime of Truman was stopping at 2 rice cookers
Anybody else think its over fot the protesters? They are gonna deploy millitary units soon
>>2936242No it's not people are still mad as hell and even milk toast unions are calling to join the streets saturday, the military will be merely used to replace the cops doing static tasks like guarding buildings so those can go on riot duty, they already did this for the gilets jaunes.
>>2935642Looking forward to zigger cope once the peace settlement results in billions of dollars for Ukrainian, Russian, and Euro porky
>>2936457
back to your containment thread, this one is for a country where proles have the strength to protest and strike
Is the fizzle in the hizzle or is there more to come, baguettebros?
>>2936474It's the holidays so the the highschoolers are resting a bit for now but it will sizzle tout les saturday for the foreseeable future
>>2936501Japan has been having it's own protests over the last few days, against militarization
>>2936501>Japan is as internally diverse as the US Wut? That's just objectively not true.
>>2935443>>2935475Why was he getting so glazed though?
The only thing he did was walking out of his shop then get a jump kick into his back, when he foolishly turned around.
I'm surprised we don't see heroic images that glorify that black dropkick ninja.
>>2936520Is this TRVE? You wouldnt expect something like that in a country as ordercucked as japan.
>>2936533He's a classcuck displaying classcuck behavior and is therefore glazed by classcucks. Team politics, nothing more, nothing less.
>>2936501日本の極右ぶりに驚いてるフランスの人たちに「ルペンが40年ぐらい大統領やってるフランスを想像してみてくれ。それが日本だよ」と全員にリプしていきたい気持ち
極右の自民党を長年政権の座につけて違和感を持たない国民なので、まあ、基本的にファシストなんすよ
恥ずかしい話だけど、これがファクト
>>2936544china needs to nuke Japan
third time's the charm
>>2936552No, direct military strikes will only make japan truly dependent on U.S. military bases;japan’s transformation must rely on a spiritual people’s war.
Has anything actually happen ive seen barely any news about the riots now
Has there anything further after the curfew and zionist-hitlerite mercenary deployment?
Helloooooo
>>2936697what if nothing happens ever
>>2936700Sujet de philo
Vous avez quatre heures
>>2936544Us in the west would NEVER elect a Le Pen.
>>2936520They are tokens. I've been noticing that people in Japan really only protest so they can share it online and try to salvage their country's rock-bottom reputation.
>>2936501You clearly have not interacted with the japanese. Scummy, rotten people, practically incapable of critical thinking or feeling genuinely humble. People who actually have to interact with them practically always come to this conclusion, so snap out of your romantic idea of how Japan is so wonderful.
Stop posting about the japanese, no one cares
Anti protest bots were out in full force today making posts about muh small business riots
we are all behind this right? just making sure no 'leftist' is against the riots and protests, juuuust making sure.
>>2936758We were always behind this, our people made that. The french government is whining about so called ultraleft groups destroying everything. It's true in a way, we the "ultraleft" got a lot of our ideas through the general population, and now they're not happy and they riot. But it's not like we organize stuff, people just chose to believe in us, but mostly they believe in the rejection of the state. The town hall burning is in the plan, it's based. Maybe we can do a prefecture or two next time
>>2936758Everyone should be against "rioting" because it goes against IRON PARTY DISCIPLINE.
>>2936758I'm not for aimless looting, no. That's only fuel for LePen. Come back to me when they start asking for worker rights.
>>2935497mario is a filthy little monarchist, he has betrayed the proletariat. uphold luigi thought
>>2936794Looting is always aimless friend, collateral damage as our American friends say. I come back to you right now because it's what people ask, more wages, lower rent prices etc. worker rights no?
So all these decades French leftists were like "damn why doesnt the working class do anything" and now that the working class is actually rising up you guys are either like "this is stupid we dont support it" or even if you support it you dont have any meaningful organisations and parties that can take advantage of this.
All these protests will lead to is ineffectual socdems or right-populists coming into power. All those decades of yapping and waiting for revolution, and when the time comes, nothing but abject failure.
>>2936848I really feel like there might be an age divide in the reactions to this whole thing. I think all of us old folks can distinctly remember these Frenchies doing this a dozen times before. This is really the lamest version we've seen yet with the anime and shit,
Why the fuck were my vincent bevin posts deleted?
Jannies? What the fuck?
I hope Melenchon crushes this ultraleft deviation, wins the elections cleanly, and strengthens French social-democracy.
>>2936974>French social-democracy.doesn't exist. macron killed it. fucking rothschild banker scum raped the working class to death. there's no more working class in france it's all lumpen and students screaming at the boomers who are about to hand all power to le pen.
>>2936983Small correction, Miterrand killed French social democracy and the communist party, Hollande danced on its grave. Sarkozy killed Gaulism and Macron is dancing on its grave.
>>2936718>I've been noticing that people in Japan really only protest so they can share it online and try to salvage their country's rock-bottom reputation.Schizophrenia.
>>2936998They are honestly better than the working class ngl
>>2936998>students working min wage jobs to pay for tuition arent working classyour brain on elitism
>>2937154Lenin was explicit in saying the masses demanding revolution isn't sufficient
>…it is not enough for revolution that the exploited and oppressed masses should understand the impossibility of living in the old way and demand changes; it is essential for revolution that the exploiters should not be able to live and rule in the old way. Only when the “lower classes” do not want the old way, and when the “upper classes” cannot carry on in the old way—only then can revolution triumph. >>2936779there is no party to enforce such discipline, thoughbeit
If I say I hate Europe and want it to be destroyed for its historic crimes of spreading Wetiko around the globe I'm called a third worldist, nihilist reactionary, but if I say I want the protests to burn everything down I'm a based progressive socialist. Interesting, huh?
>>2938520You are implying that protests are le bad and are destroying property. I dunno if they are, but this is the main reason in difference of responses. People just can't articulate their opinions very well
Mass MLoid suicides expected today. Tune it folks
Thoughts and prayers for all the commodities about to be robbed today
I have evidence the all of these protests have been masterminded and organized by the juchegang schizos. Their networks spread into every pore of society. The jucheschizo holds all of the strings. I will not be silenced.
>>2938572
Why is he so calm and rational now
When does the hapoooning start?
>>2938626Is already explained 10 times, in case you can't read, nothing will happen because there is no leadership or direction
>>2938633
Big capital buying out the little hitlers owning shops is historically progressive. Then we loot big capital for the next one and you will be happy this time
>>2938633
>communism is when you defend little hitlerites class position and berate the proles
You would have been in hysterics when Stalin robbed a bank, you are not a serious communist.
>>2938633
>it's either the small porkies or the big porkies !
Not my problem
>>2938633The cop position with Engels quote attached.
>>2938637guy who got stomped was a Micromania manager. Wage worker, not a little hitler.
>>2938649Tiflis was a planned expropriation for party funds, the opposite of random looting, also the party had just voted to ban those.
>>2938652It is when the cafés become chains and your neighbours vote RN.
>>2938701>your neighbours vote RN.All muslims arabs, not gonna happen even in twenty years
goddamit there is another riot????
I JUST WOKE UP!
what happened since the french riots in 2023?
>>2938652Pretty sure it's the same dislikable permabanned louse that occasionally spends days ban evading to infest britpol. Just report them.
What happened, how have the frogs become so docile and obedient in just a week? Where did the riots go? It's almost entirely performative walks with some sign waving now by the looks of it, like those american "protests".
>>2938747The french riots are a tradition and a heritage controlled and regulated by the bourgeoisie.
>>2938718Nothing, that's probably the issue. People elected the left coalition but Macron hates anything that isn't a full nazoid, so he undermines them in any way he can, so no pressure valve release
Post riot porn
>>2938747There were still massive protests in some cities like Paris, big ones even where they were forbidden and a lot of skirmishes and urban fighting everywhere. I have word that a youngster got his hand blown off in Toulouse and some other dude also in Clermont Ferrand. The night just fell so who knows if there will be some burnin and lootin. The thing is that the protests are mostly forbidden so msm that is still welcome somehow won't go film to tell everyone how the islamic ultraleft is causing this while the fascist owned American social media is algorithmically filtering what people upload.
Here's some accounts to follow for info and possibly riot porn
https://shitter.thepixora.com/realmarcel1https://shitter.thepixora.com/CerveauxNon Fascists are crushinh protests or something like literal nazi groups are being supported by the police
>>2938633
denounce the cultural revolution
>>2938567
man, I repent from my liberalism, that was brutal.
THE POLICE ARE RETAKING STREETS
>>2938633
Dengism is being denounced by reality as we speak
>>2938960The american struggles to explain the sight before him, because the brain shuts off trying to protect itself from a traumatic event
>>2938973
Giga…
>>2938982Yes it's true, they already did it in the colonies in Kanaky and it was found to be illegal but they are panicking and don't care about the law no more
>>2938982Lol so France is literally acting like Arab-spring era Egypt.
>>2938987
lemmygrad.ml
>>2938997Not death, afaik they only killed one person named Christophe M last week or rather we strongly suspect it since the pigs took the body and refuse to communicate with the lawyer or the family
>>2938997do something in shitaly instead of watching cartoons you animal
>>2939056
Giga
>>2939052What was the aftermath doe
>>2939052It's nice seeing others getting the greek treatment
>>2939052Tbf only the french in europe did this. A lot of people lost hands and eyes during Gillets Jaunes this way.
>>2939075even in greece the anti-riot munitions are not stuffed with TNT.
>>2939052damn, that's a two-horned devil right there.
>don't be a retard and pick up the grenadeusually you should use safety gloves. there are ones specifically designed for handling low-level explosive ordinances, while giving some dexterity, and they are sold for the common public, but for industrial purposes.
For instance:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/202631025903Also safety glasses of this type:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000RKQ1O2(with concealer). Usually, meeting the EN 166 (standard) with medium impact withstanding (withstanding) a 6mm steel ball at 45 m/s; minimum and non-negotiable.
For tear gas depends on the chemical formulation of the tear gas, but you can use some (very cheap, no eye cover) standardized masks and change the filters depending on the formulation used, given the mask uses standard sizes for different types of filters. In the first clashes use a
https://safetyservicesinc.com/3M-canister-fr-15-cbrn-use-w-fr-7800b/full spectrum filter. Another is the ABEK filter, A (organic vapors), B (inorganic gases), E (acid gases), and K (ammonia).
https://www.colliermiller.com.au/10097231-msa-filter-abek-hg-st-p3-easy-fit-screw-cannister-a2-b2-e2-k1but more specifically for riot control agents:
https://shop.avon-protection.com/en-au/products/cbrncf50-ukNever pick a teargas cannister with bare hands, even right after it's depleted. it's burning hot.
Do not rely on gask masks that cover your eyes because the eye protection isn't that great compared to real safety gloves.
>>2939430>>2939052Once you locate the specific teargas agent used buy a filter specifically for that chemical compound. it would keep you out of trouble.
it's expensive to actually fight the police individually this way. and
some people would start to ask: "why are you protesting if you have access to all this gearware", which beats the purpose of getting support. the same
some people will not solidarize with you once you are able to turn the tides in your favor in these struggles.
>>2939430No that's retarded. Just don't touch live explosives.
>>2938633
We already have Dengism With European Characteristic it's called the UK and it's pure undistilled HIV.
>>2939435This, also it's nice to try to come with solutions but with millions of people having been trough riots the manuals are out there… The problem is that in France it is now illegal and punished by a 150€ fine to wear protection equipment in protests in addition of that equipment being already costly for broke proles and students who protest, at best the cops may just steal that shit from you (they are even taking physiological serum which breaks several international laws).
A good trick that works way better than you'd think is to close your soft palate and breathe by the mouth, no CS gas reaching your sinuses means you avoid 90% of the effects. Your lungs are still getting fucked up but you can stay operational.
>>2938649Stalin bombed over 40 innocent bystanders for a pile of useless cash that was the bolsheviks lit on fire in the end, Tflis was a waste of time and energy
>>2938633
Worst post of the site award
>>2939463Notice…. for whatever reason the mods leave all this reactionary, counter-revolutionary anti-riot garbage up, but deleted the most in-depth, and well put together posts that denounce the counter-revolutionaries, while praising the rioters?
Makes you think, is this place FEDERAL? Either that, or they automatically ban anyone that brings the most FED traffic, and strictly make sure the most arm-chair and usueless of takes flourish to avoid getting government heat. This is just as bad, if you run a communist website you should be ok with getting labeled a terrorist, and having to go head on with multiple governments and agencies. If you aren't willing to do this, you don't have what it takes to lead a communist space. Period.
What’s gonna happen bros?
I doubt capitalism can be reformed anymore in this stage. Climate change and nuclear war have changed the field.
Is this the start of fascism? Can these protests lead to a better future?
>>2939480I've seen a lot of these kinds of protests in the West in my lifetime and they usually never lead to any kind of major concessions. Protesters always get tired before the government does. The government forces are getting paid to fight them, so it makes sense.
>>2939828Well the movement might very well die
>>2939435flashbangs theoretically are not live explosives. that's why I proposed those gloves.
>>2939459>France it is now illegal and punished by a 150€ fineHAAAAAAAAAAAH HAHAHA
>>2939831>flashbangs theoretically are not live explosives. that's why I proposed those gloves.they are, it's not video game, you can die with 25g of TNT exploding near something vital, a kevlar glove will change nothing to you finishing with a stump
>>2939828Cool. Overthrow your government now and establish socialism.
>>2939842>they are.depends on the law, to be more precise.
and no, not always they have TNT. many stun grenades around the world have the equivalent of just 4gr of TNT.
but apparently the french ones do have TNT and your 25gr is not only correct, it completely re-designs my recommendation of using safety gloves to pick up stun grenades.
checking the calculations, it's a 104,600 joules of energy release for 25gr. commercial gloves at best handle 5 to 10 joules, under EN 388:2016 and ANSI/ISEA 138-2019 standards. Both are tests using a 2.5k weight dropped at 20.4 cm absorbing 6 to 7kN. With that 104,600 joules of energy, to simulate the same impact, one would have to drope the same 2.5kg weight at 16.1m. A bit less, because explosions move the energy to all directions.
the only coping mechanism is to use eargear.
>>2938752ngl better than professional sports slop we get
>>2939459>protection equipment is forbiddenWhere are the Arab Spring/Ukrainian Maidan memes?
>>2935443I will offer a reminder once again regarding spontaneity. The scientific socialist position is not to romanticize the idea that a protest appearing out of nowhere will turn into a revolution; nor is it the view that the masses should remain passive—becoming politicized only in a passive way—in order to carry out a communist revolution. The correct position is that the masses must learn from the mistakes made during the class struggle, gaining experience and becoming politicized as they shed the illusions they once held about the bourgeois state.
Another point concerning spontaneity is that it is destined either to wither away or to be co-opted by the bourgeoisie; therefore, communists must seize upon such situations before the spontaneous movement fades or is co-opted. Communists must use these opportunities to spread their message and politicize more people, thereby strengthening the communist movement. Otherwise, the bourgeoisie will demonize, defame, repress, and slander the spontaneous movement to foster apathy and strip the masses of their agency.
Furthermore, there is the risk that the bourgeoisie may attempt to co-opt a spontaneous movement to serve its own class interests.
Therefore, one should be wary of rhetoric insisting that a movement must be "organic", meaning free from communist influence, because the bourgeoisie will seek to infiltrate it regardless, and such rhetoric often masks this reality.
I am now reposting Lenin’s quote on spontaneity:
<Since there can be no talk of an independent ideology formulated by the working masses themselves in the process of their movement,[15] the only choice is — either bourgeois or socialist ideology. There is no middle course (for mankind has not created a “third” ideology, and, moreover, in a society torn by class antagonisms there can never be a non-class or an above-class ideology). Hence, to belittle the socialist ideology in any way, to turn aside from it in the slightest degree means to strengthen bourgeois ideology. There is much talk of spontaneity. But the spontaneous development of the working-class movement leads to its subordination to bourgeois ideology, to its development along the lines of the Credo programme; for the spontaneous working-class movement is trade-unionism, is Nur-Gewerkschaftlerei, and trade unionism means the ideological enslavement of the workers by the bourgeoisie. Hence, our task, the task of Social-Democracy, is to combat spontaneity, to divert the working-class movement from this spontaneous, trade-unionist striving to come under the wing of the bourgeoisie, and to bring it under the wing of revolutionary Social Democracy. The sentence employed by the authors of the Economist letter published in Iskra, No. 12, that the efforts of the most inspired ideologists fail to divert the working-class movement from the path that is determined by the interaction of the material elements and the material environment is therefore tantamount to renouncing socialism. If these authors were capable of fearlessly, consistently, and thoroughly considering what they say, as everyone who enters the arena of literary and public activity should be, there would be nothing left for them but to “fold their useless arms over their empty breasts” and surrender the field of action to the Struves and Prokopoviches, who are dragging the working-class movement “along the line of least resistance”, i.e., along the line of bourgeois trade-unionism, or to the Zubatovs, who are dragging it along the line of clerical and gendarme “ideology”.
<Let us recall the example of Germany. What was the historic service Lassalle rendered to the German working-class movement? It was that he diverted that movement from the path of progressionist trade-unionism and co-operativism towards which it had been spontaneously moving (with the benign assistance of Schulze-Delitzsch and his like). To fulfil such a task it was necessary to do something quite different from talking of underrating the spontaneous element, of tactics-as-process, of the interaction between elements and environment, etc. A fierce struggle against spontaneity was necessary, and only after such a struggle, extending over many years, was it possible, for instance, to convert the working population of Berlin from a bulwark of the progressionist party into one of the finest strongholds of Social-Democracy. This struggle is by no means over even today (as might seem to those who learn the history of the German movement from Prokopovich, and its philosophy from Struve). Even now the German working class is, so to speak, split up among a number of ideologies. A section of the workers is organised in Catholic and monarchist trade unions; another section is organised in the Hirsch-Duncker[33] unions, founded by the bourgeois worshippers of English trade-unionism; the third is organised in Social-Democratic trade unions. The last-named group is immeasurably more numerous than the rest, but the Social-Democratic ideology was able to achieve this superiority, and will be able to maintain it, only in an unswerving struggle against all other ideologies.
<But why, the reader will ask, does the spontaneous movement, the movement along the line of least resistance, lead to the domination of bourgeois ideology? For the simple reason that bourgeois ideology is far older in origin than socialist ideology, that it is more fully developed, and that it has at its disposal immeasurably more means of dissemination.[16] And the younger the socialist movement in any given country, the more vigorously it must struggle against all attempts to entrench non-socialist ideology, and the more resolutely the workers must be warned against the bad counsellors who shout against “overrating the conscious element”, etc. The authors of the Economist letter, in unison with Rabocheye Dyelo, inveigh against the intolerance that is characteristic of the infancy of the movement. To this we reply: Yes, our movement is indeed in its infancy, and in order that it may grow up faster, it must become imbued with intolerance against those who retard its growth by their subservience to spontaneity. Nothing is so ridiculous and harmful as pretending that we are “old hands” who have long ago experienced all the decisive stages of the struggle.
<Thirdly, the first issue of Rabochaya Mysl shows that the term “Economism” (which, of course, we do not propose to abandon, since, in one way or another, this designation has already established itself) does not adequately convey the real character of the new trend. Rabochaya Mysl does not altogether repudiate the political struggle; the rules for a workers’ mutual benefit fund published in its first issue contain a reference to combating the government. Rabochaya Mysl believes, however, that “politics always obediently follows economics” (Rabocheye Dyelo varies this thesis when it asserts in its programme that “in Russia more than in any other country, the economic struggle is inseparable from the political struggle”). If by politics is meant Social-Democratic politics, then the theses of Rabochaya Mysl and Rabocheye Dyelo are utterly incorrect. The economic struggle of the workers is very often connected (although not inseparably) with bourgeois politics, clerical politics, etc., as we have seen. Rabocheye Dyelo’s theses are correct, if by politics is meant trade union politics, viz., the common striving of all workers to secure from the government measures for alleviating the distress to which their condition gives rise, but which do not abolish that condition, i.e., which do not remove the subjection of labour to capital. That striving indeed is common to the English trade-unionists, who are hostile to socialism, to the Catholic workers, to the “Zubatov” workers, etc. There is politics and politics. Thus, we see that Rabochaya Mysl does not so much deny the political struggle, as it bows to its spontaneity, to its unconsciousness. While fully recognising the political struggle (better: the political desires and demands of the workers), which arises spontaneously from the working-class movement itself, it absolutely refuses independently to work out a specifically Social-Democratic politics corresponding to the general tasks of socialism and to present-day conditions in Russia.[…]
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<[15] This does not mean, of course, that the workers have no part in creating such an ideology. They take part, however, not as workers, but as socialist theoreticians, as Proudhons and Weitlings; in other words, they take part only when they are able, and to the extent that they are able, more or less, to acquire the knowledge of their age and develop that knowledge. But in order that working men may succeed in this more often, every effort must be made to raise the level of the consciousness of the workers in general; it is necessary that the workers do not confine themselves to the artificially restricted limits of “literature for workers” but that they learn to an increasing degree to master general literature. It would be even truer to say “are not confined”, instead of “do not confine themselves”, because the workers themselves wish to read and do read all that is written for the intelligentsia, and only a few (bad) intellectuals believe that it is enough “for workers” to be told a few things about factory conditions and to have repeated to them over and over again what has long been known. —Lenin
<[16] It is often said that the working class spontaneously gravitates towards socialism. This is perfectly true in the sense that socialist theory reveals the causes of the misery of the working class more profoundly and more correctly than any other theory, and for that reason the workers are able to assimilate it so easily, provided, however, this theory does not itself yield to spontaneity, provided it subordinates spontaneity to itself. Usually this is taken for granted, but it is precisely this which Rabocheye Dyelo forgets or distorts. The working class spontaneously gravitates towards socialism; nevertheless, most widespread (and continuously and diversely revived) bourgeois ideology spontaneously imposes itself upon the working class to a still greater degree. —Lenin
<Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, What Is To Be Done?, BURNING QUESTIONS of our MOVEMENT, II The Spontaneity of the Masses and the Consciousness of the Social-Democratshttps://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/ii.htm>>2935636The theory of scientific socialism does not advocate for passivity out of fear of class struggle. Protests and riots have preceded every communist revolution; to condemn such protests is to regress into reformism—to become domesticated by the bourgeois state and constrained by the shackles of what is deemed "civilized," a state of affairs that leaves the working class ill-prepared for a revolutionary situation. Being demonized by the bourgeoisie, the media, and the middle class is a sign that they have failed to co-opt the spontaneous movement; therefore, it is a positive sign. It means that co-optation has not yet occurred, and this opportunity can be used to disseminate demands that are more radical—demands fundamentally incompatible with the bourgeoisie.
Your rhetoric is that of a counter-revolutionary, whereas these protests could instead be used to spread class consciousness among the masses and advance the class struggle. This is essential for preparing workers for the eventual arrival of a revolutionary situation, and for pushing the bourgeois state to its breaking point by putting forward demands for the democratization of the economy and for greater worker participation in every aspect of this bourgeois state.
>>2936157You are completely wrong. The workers' party and the labor movement must remain independent of the bourgeoisie—and, above all, independent of imperialist capitalism. There should be no funding from NGOs, capitalist nations, or members of the bourgeoisie; such funding leads to co-optation by imperialist capitalism, fostering conciliation with the bourgeoisie and distorting genuine demands into vague concepts like "fighting corruption"—a tactic used to co-opt the masses into neoliberalism. The movement must champion slogans centered on economic sovereignty, the defense of public property, and the democratization of the economy, insisting on the participation of the general population in all affairs, free from the influence of "technocrats." Furthermore, it is necessary to defeat liberals in the streets until the masses come to accept that all classes must serve the supremacy of the proletariat, with the ultimate goal of socializing the economy and abolishing social classes entirely.
It is far better for a spontaneous movement to wither away while having politicized the masses than for it to wither away after being co-opted by the bourgeoisie—becoming, in the process, a lackey for finance capital, facilitating the privatization of public property, and attacking the rights of the working class. Moreover, for a communist revolution to take place, the working class must maintain its independence from the bourgeoisie.
>>2940531
Probably sadly the best that can come is the current ruling party might collapse after 2027
>>2940556
Wait, really? It's over already?
I'm the anon that called out that this would peter out into a nothingburger; good to see that I was right now that the dust has settled
Anyways I don't actually know whether the protests are over or not, theres a media blackout so info is hard to get
>>2940593Wait for the weekend
>>2936567You nuke the US bases first?
No updates on this weekend riots?
>>2943278they were disappointing, and news of them is being suppressed.
>>2939874two more weeks monsieur, trust the plan
Updated with the latest information on the Oct 29, 2026.
If in May 1968 (Grenelle) or even December 2018 (when Macron threw €10 billion at the Gilets Jaunes), the French bourgeoisie still had enough fiscal and credit slack to buy temporary social peace. But in October 2026, that slack is just so dead.
Let's briefly review the situation in France.
French public debt is sitting at 115.6%-117% of GDP with a budget deficit over 5.1%-5.4%. On October 21, amid global energy inflation from the Middle East war and the Strait of Hormuz crisis, the yield on French 10-year government bonds (OATs) approached 5% for the first time in 24 years (widening the OAT-Bund spread over 142 bps), putting Paris in the same bond-market crosshairs as Greece and Italy. Meanwhile, real wages in France have fallen for two consecutive years (2025 and 2026, only the second time since 1960), costing the average working-class household €1,200 a year. To appease international bondholders and avoid a credit downgrade, Prime Minister Sébastien Lecornu’s 2027 budget imposes €54 billion in fiscal tightening (€43 billion in new cuts) - de-indexing pensions above €1,260 a month, cutting €4 billion from healthcare, freezing public-sector wages, and imposing a "zero-value" nominal spending freeze across every state ministry except the military, whose budget continues to rise.
The French state is caught in a Catch-22. If Macron and Lecornu cancel the €43B-€54B au sterity package to calm the streets, global bond vigilantes dump French debt, spiking yields toward 6% and triggering an ECB/IMF bailout crisis. If they enforce the cuts to satisfy the bond market and fund rearmament, the reproduction of labor-power (v) collapses on the backs of the working class.
That led to the situation we are seeing now.
Both forms the revolt has taken this October are currently trapped inside the containment mechanisms of the bourgeois state.
On Saturday, October 17, and Saturday, October 24, alongside 550,000-800,000 peaceful marchers, radicalized youth and resurgent Gilets Jaunes burned down the 19th-century town hall in Limoges, stormed Marseille’s city hall, looted Louis Vuitton and Chanel, and clashed with riot police. As Pannekoek pointed out eighty years ago, rioting on open boulevards on Saturdays outside the workplaces inflicts zero damage on capitalist surplus-value extraction (s). Instead, it lets Interior Minister Laurent Nuñez and Justice Minister Gérald Darmanin ban protests at Bastille, deploy 70,000 cops (including elite counter-terrorism units), jail 217 protesters in fast-track summary trials (comparution immédiate) out of thousands of arrests, and prepare administrative blackouts on TikTok and Instagram - while handing far-right vigilantes and Marine Le Pen the exact spectacle they need to rally terrified small shopkeepers (those petite-bourgeoisie) behind police-state repression.
As soon as the October 17 riots threatened to spill out of control, the union bureaucracy (CGT under Sophie Binet, CFDT, FSU) stepped in to do its job. On October 21, after a 2.5-hour meeting with Lecornu at Matignon, the unions announced a nationwide strike for November 5 - deliberately giving the French state and employers two full weeks of advance notice (just as Spanish unions scheduled an isolated 24-hour strike weeks ahead for November 11 and Belgian unions for November 23).
Look at how the state used the two-week buffer the CGT handed them. First, on October 22, the government announced it will release 10 million barrels from strategic oil reserves on November 1 to shave 12-18 cents per liter off pump prices for two months to peel rural drivers and Gilets Jaunes away from the strike. Second, on October 26, Lecornu invited education social-media influencers into Matignon to leak €4 billion in school renovation loans and a promise to replace the Parcoursup admissions algorithm in 2028 - conveniently after Macron leaves office in May 2027 - followed on Wednesday, October 28 by a literal "debate without a vote" (débat sans vote) in the National Assembly to split students off from industrial workers ahead of the October 31 marches and November 5 strike.
Unless rank-and-file workers in transport, energy, logistics, and manufacturing break union legality by launching unannounced wildcat strikes and occupying workplaces under revocable strike committees, the CGT and CFDT will use November 5 and staggered 24-hour "days of action" to bleed worker paychecks dry one day at a time until the core of the 2027 austerity budget is rammed through parliament (either via Article 49.3, an emergency budget rollover, or Socialist Party parliamentary abstention).
The union bureaucracy and the parliamentary Left (La France Insoumise and the Socialist Party) are keeping the late-2026 movement inside pre-scheduled one-day marches to steer all working-class anger into the April 18 and May 2, 2027 presidential election. Every possible outcome of that election executes the same capitalist program:
- If the May 2, 2027 runoff pits a bourgeois centrist or moderate against the far-right National Rally (Marine Le Pen or Jordan Bardella), the entire official Left (LFI, PCF, PS, Greens) and the CGT/CFDT unions will order workers off the streets to vote for the establishment candidate to "save the Republic from fascism" - only for the winner to enforce the €50B+ bond-market austerity the morning after the ballots are counted.
- If Le Pen or Bardella rides petty-bourgeois riot panic into the Élysée, the National Rally will run the Giorgia Meloni playbook: bowing to the 5% OAT bond market and EU fiscal rules, slashing working-class welfare (v↓), hiking military and police budgets, and using border raids to divide native French workers from migrant proletarians.
- Even if Mélenchon or a Left coalition candidate won the presidency, facing a 117% debt-to-GDP ratio, €340 billion in annual borrowing needs, and 5% bond yields, international bond markets and the ECB would trigger capital flight and a bond sell-off within days - forcing a speed-run replay of Mitterrand’s 1983 "tournant de la rigueur" and Syriza’s July 2015 capitulation in Greece.
Over the next decade across Europe, crushed between a falling rate of profit (r = s' / [q + 1]), aging demographics, war-driven energy costs, and high-tech competition from Chinese and US monopolies, European capitalism cannot restore the post-WWII social-democratic welfare state. Every European government - liberal, social-democratic, or far-right - will steadily cannibalize education, healthcare, and pensions (v↓) to service sovereign bondholders and finance military Keynesianism (just as Lecornu’s 2027 budget already exempts military spending while freezing everything else).
The important thing is October 2026 unrest shows that the metropolitan bourgeoisie is losing its fiscal margin to buy social peace. But until workers stop marching on Saturdays behind CGT balloons and start striking unannounced without notice periods, occupying the factories and logistics hubs to hold constant capital (c) hostage, and forming autonomous strike committees and general assemblies against both the unions and parliament, this cycle will continually locked in: riot on Saturday, union steam-valve on Thursday, vote against Le Pen in May, eat austerity in June.
>>2943309>Even if Mélenchon or a Left coalition candidate won the presidency, facing a 117% debt-to-GDP ratio, €340 billion in annual borrowing needs, and 5% bond yields, international bond markets and the ECB would trigger capital flight and a bond sell-off within days - forcing a speed-run replay of Mitterrand’s 1983 "tournant de la rigueur" and Syriza’s July 2015 capitulation in Greece.I think Mélenchon might be actually dangerous and somewhat of a crypto revolutionary while LFI has a lot of radicalism, this is also what the bourgeois in France believe since they're throwing everything they have at him and his party so they don't get near the government. It's no programme commun or Syriza, they might just go crazy and push the dialectics to the brink instead of bowing down.
>>2943632You forget, Alexis Tsipras was considered quite radical before his win too.
>>2943633There are a few differences, first France is still a powerful country, an economic and financial heavy hitter that has much more leeway than Greece could ever hope even with the debt. Second the president in France can concentrate strong legislative and executive powers by forcing laws in parliament and putting a lackey as PM, and there's even a constitutional amendment for dictatorial powers in case of crisis. Now LFI and Melenchon are still socdem populists who probably will betray the proles and balk at the idea of being forceful, and they'll have to compose with their right wing (ecologists and communist party) in case of popular front, but if they want to cancel some debt, disobey EU treaties, launch a "constituante" for a 6th republic it's completely in the realm of the possible. On the other hand I think Tsipras never had any real shot even if he wanted to take it.
>>2943866>CPF is to the right of LFIWhat happened here? Did they get broken by being in Mitterrand’s government for 3 and a half days? Althusser’s decline and death?
>>2943873They got broken by the fall of the soviet union really and just retreated on their electoral positions, fully becoming reformists and then a little bit to the right again with the current general secretary Roussel being a spineless cop bootlicker. Robert Hue, the boss in the 90s, even tried to rename the party and take out "communist", it's also at this moment they stopped mentioning class struggle. But the PCF always was kind of lame tbh, I think that's part of the reason why trotskyism is so important in France, communists who like bolchevism but not the PCF just ended up there. There's still a bunch of MLs especially in the youth organizations but they tend to just leave these days.
>>2939828ok now drop the uniforms and throw away the badge
>>2944203There have been international dock strikes
So the Nov 5 strike a complete nothing burger like predicted, huh? I called this, that a one day strike will do nothing and vacuum all revolutionary potential from the "movement"
>>2935443I know im going to get called a treatler for this by the twists but.. I cant help but feel bad for the guy. I grew up in stores like this and they were my comfort zone. I was up all night gaming tonight, in fact it was a text based game but its rather addicting if youre into footbal and basketballl. legionnaire pro.
>>2950560La vérité sort de la bouche des enfants.
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