/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>O9A, Atomwaffen, and their modern knockoffs that are so often in the news these days.
no they aren't, this is a bubble of terminally online discord larpers
>hread to materially analyze and generally discuss anything you want about these groups from a leftist perspective.
14 year olds who eat their lunches in the stalls and pedophiles, t. karl marx, please stop giving these people time and attention

>>2948368
She can still be saved but it requires serious effort on her behalf and a functional healthare system and neither of those are happening so im gonna consider her a lost cause. Many such cases unfortunately.

What a pure schizoprenic thread, I always remember the guy that believed in Goetia spirits only to discover that he was having halluicinations and went to be hospitalized after becoming a danger to himself and others, my point: don't waste time with schizo things, go learn stuff that matter, not fantasy from mentally ill people.

>>2948368
I sincerely hope this person gets off the screens and finds contentness in the real world.

>>2948338
>no they aren't, this is a bubble of terminally online discord larpers
Yes, they most certainly increasingly are. Might be small potatoes in the grand scheme of things, but in my country in 2023 there had been three widely reported incidents where the authorities had thwarted O9A-inspired terror strikes and ritual sacrifice plans. In the UK they found in the harddrive of that guy who had killed the three girls O9A-adjacent materials (from one of those spin-off O9A groups, but can't think of their names rn; 617 and Kill All Humans or something?). And then there are those Terrorgram channels which do terrorism challenges where they reward people for video proof of their deeds, and which also facilitate various jobs like urging kids to set apartments on fire and do targeted killings of people.

It has gone way past a larp at this point, and it's only gonna get a whole lot worse.

>>2948530
That's just society being anomic, if it wasn't with a satanic cosplay it'd be with another.

>>2948559
Certain ideological movements occur or become appeal under specific material conditions, and as a response to said conditions. In a nihilist age some start drifting towards old ideas like "traditional values", while others embrace the nihilism. All of these people may have end up lashing out the system pointlessly whether or not they had been exposed to O9A thinking, but since they were, they could use it as a justification for their actions. That's how ideology works: we use it to build a nomos or a story of the world around us, which then gives us a role, a function or situates us within a context that then guides and orients our actions, or gives us goals which to pursue.

>>2948582
As they say, guns don't kill people, people kill people – with guns.
This is also why ideology is also ultimately hollow.
A good and bad person will be good or bad no matter the ideology.

>>2948588
>A good and bad person will be good or bad no matter the ideology.
Don't you think that's a bit too fatalistic of an outlook? Taken to its logical conclusion, it supposes that we can't affect our moral character at all (which, as an extension, is to say we can't affect our behaviour by simply changing our beliefs regarding the goals of our actions), and that evil and good are some essentially ingrained aspects of people, not much different from the Christian doctrine of original sin.

>>2948606
>Taken to its logical conclusion, it supposes that we can't affect our moral character at all
In some respect, yes, and in another, it only proves that immorality is not a result of bad choices, but bad options. The division of labour is proof that almost any useless thing can become useful it is invested in. Look at slap boxing. Who would think you could get paid to slap others and get slapped yourself? In a non-commercial society, this behaviour would be immoral and idiotic, but in ours, it is useful. In the same way, a murderer has a use, as a soldier, or a butcher, and so on. It seems to be a genetic fact that at least 1% of the population will be psychopathic. These types also make up most violent crime. Put them to good use, rather than bad use. So then, one's options determine one's choices. This is also why Fourier imagined work may become play in a utopian society; all sin and vice has a redeeming quality to it. Even as Bakunin said, destruction is really a type of creative impulse.
>original sin
But the idea of Christian salvation is ideological. It's about belief.
I am saying that belief is bullshit. All that's real is human activity.
I do not think we are "saved" by having the right ideology, but only in choosing the best life based on our personal, idiosyncratic talents. Look at autistic savants; Rain Man type people – they are useless in every way, but some particular thing unlocks a trapped potential.

>>2948530
> Might be small potatoes in the grand scheme of things, but in my country in 2023 there had been three widely reported incidents where the authorities had thwarted O9A-inspired terror strikes and ritual sacrifice plans.
… so they have the relevance of a small, particularly larpy black guerilla family chapter? i knew guys who were o9a when i was like, 16, all urban legend to draw stupid teenagers in for pedophiles to pray on. it's a sharty offshoot with satanic panic characteristics and, like any other, it thrives off fighting over the scraps of 2016 greentext videos

every time you say their name, they win, that applies to all chud groups

One thing (among many others) I will personally never forgive the media is calling these people "nihillists" and permanently attaching that word to pedorapist edgelords whereas nihilism is an actual anarchist tendency with actual real life history and a coherent idea. There is literally nothing fun in life that doesnt get ruined by chuds. Literal cultural pestilence.

>>2948958
>nihil-ism
<the belief in nothing
>uhm actually it is a belief system!
Why as an egoist, are you so spooked?

>>2949227
>the belief in nothing
Not at all. Its an Anarchist current of pure negation, it has nothing to do with philosophical hopelsesness popularized by insufferable neckbeards.

>>2948324
>it also has an orthodoxy
the sinister tradition is more about orthopraxy as opposed to orthodoxy. this is like pagan faiths and unlike christianity (which is part of why the authority of individual judgement was eve a thing to begin with). furthermore if hebdomadry is just longustian thought then there is even less reason to declare that the "o9a" is "dead" (and besides, there are plenty of kollektivs who do not have much of a public presence who nevertheless continue the practices of the sinister tradition). i would say there are ways in which hebdomadry strays from longusian thought qua the rejection of "occultism" and the "sinister" elements but i think we could agree that the 7fw was the most important and unique element of the o9a. hence i do think those other groups like the tob are revisionists, the seven oxonians could be classified as ultras, and while we are at it i would say that my relation to the sinister tradition is much like my relation to marxism
>Christ is already a Dionysian figure
myatt's satanism was specifically against magian cultural morphology. dionysus does not necessarily belong to such a morphology. you are also assuming that christo-satanism is impossible, which is simply not true. there is, for instance, the process church as well as the gnostic church of christ lucifer (https://web.archive.org/web/20210803234413/https://abglodge.org/blog/post-15/) - if anything christo-satanism makes more sense than what the majority of satanists do which is to simply inadvertently replicate magian morphology in one way or another without being conscious of this process

>>2948606
>Don't you think that's a bit too fatalistic of an outlook?
to truly change one's ethical character necessitates changing one's practical relation to the world. most people adopt various ideologies, but do very little in the way of practice. the ultimate materialist consequence of this is modern evangelical christianity where nominally they worship "god" but materially they really worship mammon

>>2949233
honestly my problems with the tob is much like my problems with many anarchists (especially nihilistic and illegalist kinds) so the association is very much apt

>>2949233
>Its an Anarchist current of pure negation
So exactly as I said, a belief in nothing.
If one believes in nothing, threy are a nihilist.
Trying to add conditions to the unconditional is a fallacy.
Anarch-ism is a condition, so nihilism isnt especially "anarchist".
>>2949244
>authority of individual judgement
Again, a paradox. If individual judgement begins in the judgement of another, it is neither individual, nor a judgement, but is understanding. As I am discussing with the fellow above, nihilism cannot have its own belief system, so is in effect, not actually a belief, so is self-negating. One cannot "believe" in one's own individual judgement, if you get me. If I call myself an "individualist", I cease to be an individualist, etc.
>there is even less reason to declare that the "o9a" is "dead"
Question: can something in the name of the o9a be qualified as not pertaining to the o9a, in actuality? Is there heresy? Yes, if you believe the apologia which comes out about it; "they weren't real followers", etc. It's an orthodoxy, like Satanism. What do Satanists say? The o9a isn't real Satanism, etc. It's pathetic. Just go to Church, already.
>hence i do think those other groups like the tob are revisionists
You mean heretics. Those who betray the dogma. The orthodoxy.
Thus, one's "individual judgement" is not so individual, is it?
Eithrer a thing has conditions, or it does not.
>myatt's satanism was specifically against magian cultural morphology.
Myatt is ignorant of reality if he doesn't see Dionysus in Christ.
>christo-satanism
Jesus (Revelation 22:16):
< I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the Bright and Morning Star.”
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Revelation%2022%3A16
To me, Satan is not even evil, but is a tester of faith.

>>2949244
>>2949273
As a humorous analog, if you accuse Marxists of being religious or zealous, they will quote you Engels saying that Marxism isn't a religion. Literally preaching to the choir. So, if you must be induced to individuality as a matter of doctrine, you were never an individual. Same way that to ensnare individuality in a slogan or within an ideology; i.e. "individualism" makes compulsory a thing of which we supposedly already were. Thus, to apply a condition to the unconditional is to lose it. This is why in Buddhism, it is impossible to speak of enlightenment. To speak of it is to not understand it. Lao Tzu says the same for the Tao. To invoke the Tao is to lose it. Myatt is then sound where he writes of pathei-mathos and the quest for silence; for dissolving denotatum and all such abstractions, but too, one cannot do this while having a need to write. The point of the mystery is that it can't be described, so one is only in tune with it by forgetting it. Zen.

>>2949273
>Again, a paradox.
>The orthodoxy.
i already made a distinction between orthodoxy and orthopraxy. there was the apparent permissibility of "individual judgement" because doxa was not the main point. tob does not only veer from doxa but also praxis
https://www.o9a.org/wp-content/uploads/o9a-individual-judgement-v5.pdf
<[One of the] practical guidelines of the Order of the Nine Angles is that there is no morality – no judgement about what is right and what is wrong – but our own individual one, with that judgement born not from feelings nor from some reaction to some particular event, but from a detached, reasoned, reflexion arising from practical experience [emphasis added]. In short, from our own individual pathei-mathos, and the personal unique sinister weltanschauung that we develope from such practical experience, such reflexion, and such pathei-mathos.
<The one exception regarding individual interpretation, and changing everything O9A, is the O9A Code of Kindred Honour. It is exempted because it is the Logos of the O9A - the unique perceiveration that distinguishes the O9A - and thus defines who is, and who is not, O9A. For to be O9A is to live by the O9A code and thus to manifest that logos by one's manner of living
https://lapisphilosophicus.wordpress.com/2012/08/01/code-of-kindred-honour/
<We know our own kind by their deeds and their way of life [emphasis added]; that is through a personal knowing.
as can be seen here what was emphasized here was more so a practical relation to the world, the ethos which was manifested. putting on the hat of a materialist anthropologist of religion, i would characterize the o9a by the practices which set it apart from other spiritualities. in religions that focus more on orthopraxy than orthodoxy, there is often no creed or canonical text and there is even variation in ritual and way of life within a reasonable limit which allows for organic evolution whilst maintaining cultural consistency. this is the feature of orthopraxy religions that "individual judgement" was meant to express. trying to see it through individualism or whatnot is just a poor reading. of course, many people took "individual judgement" in an individualistic or highly relativistic manner (leading to all sorts of problems which later niners point out, and some even end up critiquing the very idea), so i think their expression of the point was flawed

here is the hidweh project parallel to the "authority of individual judgement":
https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/
<There has been a tendency with regards to religion and spirituality to overly epistemologize things in discussions (especially online). People place a lot of emphasis on "faith" and "knowledge" with regards to to the existence of various deities and the like. Religions then become a matter of believing a particular set of propositions. Of course, just from an anthropological approach, such a perspective limited. For instance, many Yazidi teachings are passed down aurally and there are a lot of variations in tellings. Despite a lack of standardized unitary doctrine, the Yazidi are still a unified religious group. What is more important for the individuation of their religion is the performance of various practices and the prohibitons placed on marrying outsiders. The latter is what lends it ethno-religious status. Something else that we find missing in an approach to religion which relies on the Understanding is the sense of religio. This pertains to sentiment and immersed participation in a certain way of life and engagement with various forms. Much of Shintoism, for instance, pertains to religio, and the concept of "kami" is illegible when taken out of this focus on engaged participation and respect.
<From a phenomenological/hermeneutic perspective, we also must recognize that truth is not a uniform concept. There is a distinction to be made (following Heidegger) between truth qua veritas versus truth qua aletheia. The former merely concerns present-to-hand facts and propositions about the state of the world. The latter meanwhile concerns a revealing of different ways of relating to Being. The gods as mentioned elsewhere, are not only forces, but particular relatings to Being (and Hidweh is the particular relating involved when biokinesis is infused with religio, or the numinosity of creative evolution is contemplated). The existence of the gods is affirmed by theophanous practices which evinces them to the practitioner. This is something much subtler than a naive empirical or logical proof.
https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/zine/lithp.html
<The exact metaphysics (whether Hidweh is an actual entity, archetype, or symbol) is up in the air. One can hypothetically join us whilst being an “atheist” or “agnostic” metaphysically speaking. The commitments, to the culture and the transformation of the body, are more important.
<Generally, we are open to a variety of different cosmological interpretations though certain tendencies such as vitalism are very influential.
<What is important is dedication to the transformation of the flesh and contribution to the magickal current. The latter is done either through working with Hidweh, or through contributing art, practices, and concepts.
https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/phil/anacoord.html
<what is foundational to my religious views does not consist in any particular metaphysical schema or dogma. rather what is essential to my thought is spiritual practice and a particular ontological suspicion. the suspicion in question is that the body itself is either an expression of mind or functions in a ‘mind-like’ (psychoid) way. michael levin talks about a ‘platonic space’ of morphological patterns which i identify with tiamat. there is also the understanding that the world is much more immanently interconnected than it might initially seem, and indeed there is some level of reality wherein there are no firm distinctions between things in the first place

>Myatt is ignorant of reality if he doesn't see Dionysus in Christ.
christ is not just dionysus. he is a figure that is explicated within a magian ontology. it is the magian in christianity he is against, not the dionysian

>>2949334
also quoting otonen:
<As is stated in other Order MSS, it is by practical experience that the Sinister Initiate discerns the status of the Dark Gods themselves and this can never really be passed on in writings. For it is often believed that the writings of others can bring wisdom and enlightenment by themselves, yet this also is an illusion of the Abyss. It is quite correct to assume that the writings of others may help to guide, but, as has been stated many times before, they are only a guide, not a substitute. It is only through direct personal Invokation that the Dark Gods can be understood.
also this is a quote from here that can be brought up again too
<This is achieved by the novice remembering that they are involved in a seven-fold quest and accepting the advice given by the Master or Mistress who assigned the task. Both of these things some novices find difficult to do. The behaviour of the novice during this task is governed by specific guidelines - failure to observe the guidelines by an individual means the end of their noviciate as far as the Order is concerned
here it says "the Order" but one must remember masters and mistresses are meant to start their own kollektivs and pass down their knowledge so the transmissions of these guidelines is meant to be rather situated

concluding i think there was a miscommunication somewhere between what was likely desired in the idea of "individual judgement" and the actual result of things. ethos and general weltanschauung was meant to be more important than a rigid doctrine of beliefs and such one was supposed to have

>>2949334
>trying to see it through individualism or whatnot is just a poor reading.
From the text:
<[One of the] practical guidelines of the Order of the Nine Angles is that there is no morality – no judgement about what is right and what is wrong – but our own individual one […] our own individual pathei-mathos
https://www.o9a.org/wp-content/uploads/o9a-individual-judgement-v5.pdf
This is the paradox. To first consider that morality is a matter of an individual judgement, is itself, an individual judgement. So, if one takes this judgement about judgement seriously, they deny their own individual judgement. It is not a Logos therefore, but an Illogos.
>many people took "individual judgement" in an individualistic or highly relativistic manner (leading to all sorts of problems
Problems for who? You are acting as a priest, not a practitioner.
If one's individual judgement is that individual judgement is bullshit, that is the sublime affirmation of a principle, by its self-negation. This is why all cliques and clans are degenerate. Even if you entered upon a Discordian circle, saying the "wrong" thing gets you excommunicated. My "reality tunnel" might be too problematic. So much for Chaos. As I say, Satanism, like all rebellion, is an orthodoxy. It is a rule-book. Like the egoist above us, even "nihilism" isn't allowed to actually be nihilistic. My critique in all this is to show you cannot escape duality. The only winning move is not to play. I don't support draining yourself into an idol either. God doesn't require our prayers. Before one postrates toward an object, one should really ask "why?"
>ontological suspicion
Right, but are you also suspicious of ontological suspicion? What would it mean to negate the negation in this case? Is it possible? Both idealism and materialism are contradicted, propositionally; logically. The same way both rationalism and empiricism are false doctrines. We know, but how do we know? We are, but how are we? Can we say?
>it is the magian in christianity he is against, not the dionysian
You have to take symbols as they come.
Attempting to purify symbols leads to problems.
It leads to ahistorical, occult, syncretic nonsense.
>the writings of others may help to guide
My feeling is that the purpose of writing is to put an end to writing.
One day there will be a final book. A final word. That is its telos.
>ethos and general weltanschauung was meant to be more important than a rigid doctrine of beliefs and such one was supposed to have
But the purpose of a thing is in what it does. If something "fails", is it not actually fulfilling its greater purpose? As we read in the Bible:
<ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good
https://biblehub.com/genesis/50-20.htm
<For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord. “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.
https://biblehub.com/nkjv/isaiah/55.htm
This is Wyrd. As Nietzsche says, amor fati; we must love fate.
Or as Myatt says, pathei-mathos; learning through strife.

>>2948145
no answers i guess

>>2949419
>To first consider that morality is a matter of an individual judgement, is itself, an individual judgement.
again it is not related to individualism or relativism. it is about the practice of not making judgements about others beyond one's personal knowing of them as opposed to a statement concerning metaethical doxa
>Problems for who?
for anyone that now has to be associated with child rapists who clearly dont care about any numinous way of life maybe. carelessly attracting the attention of law enforcement agencies immediately breaks the code of kindred honour
>are you also suspicious of ontological suspicion?
what i wrote had nothing to do with skepticism

>>2947462
>i have a very particular perspective on ontology, metaphysics, and the occult and it is only by virtue of this that i take the ideas seriously at all. so for me i was able to extract wealth from the ideas but if you listen to >>2937269 (You) despite everything he read it doesnt seem like he was able to get much from it

I haven't read much ona material. In Britain the police can get shirty if the repair shop comes across such material on your computer, pedo fiction and such But when there were previous threads I looked at some of the websites that were mentioned. It seems to me that whatever particular bit of the ona that appeals to the curious, they could get it better elsewhere:
>theories about the acausal realm
<Aristotle on the "unmoved mover" at the rim of the cosmos
<maybe some medieval theology as well
>Lovecraft-inspired philosophy
<Graham Harman… speculative realism…
>fiction exploring themes of cosmic evil
<Bellknap- Long, The Hounds of Tindalos
>trapezoidal sigil
<Sisters of Mercy used a similar logo? form a goth band, kid's
>freedom from the influence of Abrahamic religion
<it's not so difficult, there are youtube lessons on learning Akkadian and Sumerian cuneiform, learning that really will rewire your mind
I still don't buy this make it difficult to read to weed out the undesirables schtick. It seems to be very like some of the neo-reaction Catholics on twitter/X. They post deliberately difficult to understand stuff. But you read someone like Ed Feser, he sweats blood to make the difficult understandable. Why? he wants to stop readers going to hell. Will they otherwise? No. In early chapters of his books he gives good rundowns of proofs of divinity from antiquity. He says in later chapters he will prove how Catholicism in particular meets the proofs. But this, he doesn't do. He just describes the problems. Anyway the twitter tradcaths aren't about bumping up the numbers of the community of dead monks, saints, and living belivers . It's more of a political thing. To signal elitism. A bit like a Johnathan Bowden talk I saw on YouTube. He said not everyone has to be a nationalist. You just have to get enough in positions of power, and most people will go along with it.
But what do the really powerful need occultism for? If we end up in the Elon Musk's Martian salt mines it won't be because he's been playing the star game.

>>2949612
>pedo fiction and such
there was like one story like this on the fenrir zine. if you are not reading some tempel ov blood stuff you would have to try hard to come across any of that stuff. the main content is not to be found in the fiction stuff anyways
><Aristotle on the "unmoved mover" at the rim of the cosmos
><maybe some medieval theology as well
no.
>make it difficult to read to weed out the undesirables schtick
the important stuff is not particularly difficult to read. it is only the stupid sensationalist stuff that gets played up and is the most interesting to das Man
https://lapisphilosophicus.wordpress.com/about-2/ona-faq/labyrinthos-mythologicus/
<Remember therefore that the ONA is a shapeshifting nexion, in the world of the mundanes, and presents as a confusing, dark, labyrinthine, satanic/non-satanic entity, and therefore does/does-not exist, never has existed, and is/is-not defunct; which is/is-not nazi; which was/is/never-was a honeytrap; whose written texts sometimes contradict each other; and is/was merely an urban legend.

>2949653
>ONA is a shapeshifting nexion, in the world of the mundanes
<BOG Standard Satanist claim.
They all claim to be apart from the herd.
Where is the proof? A few musicians have escaped mundane jobs.
<Every time we were naked, he'd be going for my butt like a rat to cheese
<Jenna Jameson

>>2949703
if thats all you took from the quote you've been filtered

>>2950049
(and not because of any obfuscation but that simply you cant read)

>>2949610
>for anyone that now has to be associated with child rapists
Ye shall know them by their fruits.
You can know the cause from the effect.
>clearly dont care about any numinous way of life
The numinous way is Myatt's own revision of the o9a after 1998.
He got what he wanted: David Copeland, then retreated into Islam.
Now we have many David Copelands. James Mason is the new Myatt.
>the code of kindred honour
Myatt is a pathological liar. He has no honour.
>>2949612
>They post deliberately difficult to understand stuff
Yes. It's a tragedy of style over substance.
>what do the really powerful need occultism for?
To be fair, o9a isn't "occult".
The occult is Magian – literally, the Persian Magi are attributed as the bearers of magic, since it was the opinion of the Romans that magic was invented by Zoroaster. Interestingly, of course, the "three wise men" in the Nativity were Magi, astrologers, who found Christ by following the stars (esoterically, this refers to the Age of Pisces). The Magi are then initiating us to the Nazarene. From the time of Anton LaVey, Satanism has rejected all occultism because they see it as White Magic, including blood magic. Black Magic, as LaVey explains, is about manipulating pain. Further, the magician is counterposed to the sorcerer. The o9a promote practical sorcery, not magic, per se. In terms of traditions, the Sinister Tradition is also called the seven-fold way (7fw), which is essentially Hermeticism and Alchemy, per Jung. The task of the initiate is to presence acausal energy for the sake of cliology (aeonic sorcery) to influence history to the ends of Imperium. Like Marxism, it becomes a theory of history, which to the o9a, orients around great men, like artists, who sufficiently presence acausal power. The history of men is then the history of their culture. It takes the superstructure as being primary to things and not the base. This is because Myatt primarily draws from the writings of Oswald Spengler.

>>2950049
>if thats all you took from the quote you've been filtered
<filtered out, as a minnow-like mundane, unable to appreciate the value of the ona corpus
There was a sales technique in California, in the 70s I think, a bit obscure but based on making things a bit difficult for the potential customer. The theory being that if you maybe a bit rude, or brusque, it will immediately get rid ,filter out, the waverers, the potential buyers who aren't really that keen. Since salesmen get paid on commission, and time spent talking to people who don't buy in the end is time wasted, it's more efficient. In itself, it's not that bad or manipulative an idea. You're less likely to get your own time wasted yourself listening to a saleman trying to get you to sign up to something you're not really that interested in. Anyway Miles Tomkin aka iggy semmelweis, Andrew Tate's associate, was trained in this, and he adapted it to form the basis of Tate's operation. So Tate would for example famously ask prospective cam models to bring chocolates to the initial meeting. Most women are going to tell him to fuck off, right? But the few who don't, if they are willing to bring him chocolates may well be willing to waggle their arse in front of the web cam for measly pay as well.
So I guess, yea, in a sense you're right, anyone looking at the ona stuff thinking a lot of it serms deliberately obscure, and what isn't you can get better elsewhere, so no I'm not going to bring the chocolates, is getting "filtered".
>>2950123
>In terms of traditions, the Sinister Tradition is also called the seven-fold way (7fw), which is essentially Hermeticism and Alchemy, per Jung.
So not laboratory alchemy, right?
The task of the initiate is to presence acausal energy for the sake of cliology (aeonic sorcery) to influence history to the ends of Imperium.
>because this seems not as testable. At least with the old alchemists, hired for example by Elizabeth I, low on gold to fund war with Spain and build her own Empire, they're either going to be able to pull it off, or they aren't.
The Galactic Imperium does seem more of a dubious proposition.

>>2950139
>laboratory alchemy
No. It's Jungian alchemy.
The "9 angles" refer to 9 stages of individuation:
(salt): 🜔(🜔) -> ☿(🜔) -> 🜍(🜔)
(mercury): 🜔(☿) -> ☿(☿) -> 🜍(☿)
(sulfur): 🜔(🜍) -> ☿(🜍) -> 🜍(🜍)
This is written of in the first o9a text, in 1974.
This is later symbolised by the passing into planetary realms.
These 9 realms are the 9 classic cosmic spheres of antiquity.
>The Galactic Imperium does seem more of a dubious proposition.
To Myatt, it has already begun its development and will be finished by around the year 2,400 CE, so there's a long-term strategy in all this. The galactic imperium signifies the closure of the Western Aeon, or the Faustian aeon, with National Socialism as its supposed ethos.

>>2948145
Nobody knows man, none of this shit makes any sense

Poland just had a mass shootout, some larper with a totenkopf on his helmet and a fully auto machine gun,

>>2950332
Happened in France last week or week before too. These freaks are never happy, even when their guys are on an upward trend.

This shit loses all interests when you realize it's just a bunch of losers trying to be as edgy as possible

Like you genuinely think Attomwaffen believes in National Socialism? The Nazis were bad but they didn't LARP as nihilist satanist pedophiles, they genuinely thought they were the good guys

>>2950640
Some nazis like Himmler were into some weird esoteric shit, and I'm not sure a lot would have considered themselves "good", more like "strong" and therefore deserving to cull the weak, purify the genepool etc. They didn't hide their genocidal enterprise for nothing, they knew it was messed up

>>2950652
It's the same thing with NSBM. I saw some retard on /mu/ argue that NSBM is the peak of black metal because it's "supremely evil"

The Nazis didn't think they were evil though, that's kind of the whole point

>>2950653
Exactly.
Today's Nazis would have been gassed by yesterday's Nazis. Lol.

>>2950640
>they genuinely thought they were the good guys
And yet they commited mass suicide when they were done. Curious.

>>2936391
I don't wanna be that guy but this isn't an explicitly fascist movement, it was, but there are now left-leaning currents of o9a/764 - the point is explicitly nihilism now, I've come across groups that are "left-accelerationist" and wish to "bring about marxism through misanthropy"

>>2950772
Id love a QRD!

>>2950772
>Marxism through misanthropy
Marx defines Communism as practical humanism.
Don't listen to juvenile idiots.

>>2950772
>left-accelerationist
That's called right-wing misanthrope in common language

>>2950773
He's a retard who just says stuff.

>>2950640
>they genuinely thought they were the good guys
the nazis were fully aware what they were doing would be rightly seen as unforgivable by most people, they had no illusions they weren't the bad guys in every story other than porky's

>>2950780
"Don't listen to juvenile idiots."
I'm not, its a mental illness collective, just saying that these movements depend ENTIRELY on aesthetic and some have co-opted leftist aesthetic

>>2950801
>mental illness
medicalisation reifies capitalist categories
just call them what they are; juvenile idiots

it's interesting how much o9a and tob influenced modern online edgelordism (soysphere, foodists, tcc, nlm)

>>2950631
>These freaks are never happy
Of course they're not, they're deeply sick and miserable and the more they get what they want the more that will get reinforced.

<armchair psychologist out