Feels like there's a lot less people talking about communism these days. There's fewer people sharing communist memes on social media, and fewer people discussing their favorite communist countries and movements. And /leftypol/ is definitely slower than its peak in the late 2010s.
Is there anything we can do to revive interest in communism, or is the real movement dead forever?
nothing would be better for communism than the end of "meme" communism that focuses on the 19th/20th century and the beginning of an actual movement of proletarian militancy and political self determination across the planet.
< The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living. And just as they seem to be occupied with revolutionizing themselves and things, creating something that did not exist before, precisely in such epochs of revolutionary crisis they anxiously conjure up the spirits of the past to their service, borrowing from them names, battle slogans, and costumes in order to present this new scene in world history in time-honored disguise and borrowed language.
>>2937692Marxism and central planning are more relevant today than ever due to AI.
Being a "fandom" is the worst thing that can happen to a movement. Fans are unserious people
>>2937718"AI" is only as useful as the hardware it runs on and the humans managing and directing it. And since most humans don't know how to use it, and are simply trying to get it to do everything for them without thinking critically, it's not very useful. "AI" has this thing called a "context window" and most people don't even know about it. If you try to get an AI to write a novel for you, it will forget the plot after a few thousand words and you'll need to keep reminding it. That means you filled the context window. You have to pay for more context. This is capital intensive. Read this thread:
>>>/leftypol/2930210AI exists as the data centers, GPUs, etc. it runs on. That is constant capital. Dead labor. Doubly so because its training data comes from work written and edited by actual humans in the past. Without that accumulated and objectified-as-data past labor it would not be able be able to generate any kind of statistically likely output.
>>2937755Absolutely True.
AI has only tangential relation to central planning. It's a tool not a panacea. Albeit a very problematic tool. God forbid we start computing on biologically grown neurons like they do with fly brains or pigeon brains or whatnot. I just know they will use it to further enslave everyone.
>>2937718Central planning has always been relevant. As a business owner, I hate relying on middlemen. It's bureaucratic hell. I just wish planning systems were optimized.
>>2937692>communist countriesName one
>>2937718AI doesn’t even exist. And the real movement has always been incredibly relevant
Good, fandoms are disgusting, you need soldiers and organizers, not fans
There was an extinction burst about a decade ago but it's been declining for 100 years
i am only finding out there's supposed to be a communist fandom
>>2937878Woke 1.0 - Overly moralist
Woke 2.0 - Less moralist and more focused on material conditions
Following the pattern
Woke 3.0 - Anti-moralism completely focused on material conditions
Woke 4.0 - Unlimited genocide against reactionaries
Woke 5.0 - Utopian socalism has been achieved, moralism is back on the menu
It's not a fandom, its the real movement
>>2937878>>2937924I, too, look forward to the return of Bushism wrapped in a rainbow flag.
>>2937830>And the real movement has always been incredibly relevantAnd what has The Real Movement done lately?
>>2937718Is it bad when the central planning AI God hallucinates.
>>2937712I concur. Liberals make me sick. Bunch of immature soulless whores who communize everything under the sun.
>>2938534Commoditize* I wish they communized what they commoditize
>>2937832fans help fans don't win wars, yeah. At the same time at least people would be very happy to see communists take power
Covid, Trump, and Gaza killed communism.
Everyone wants to bitch and complain about "Zionism" and "eugenics" yet very, very few people want to openly discuss CAPITALISM anymore. Hence no one really cares about communism so as long as they get their disability benefits and freed Palestine.
present /leftypol/ is just a fascist larp with memeflags who take some leftist movement or ideology and promote the most regressive and reactionary parts of it like militarism and cult of personality.
>Soooo… woke 1.0 was crazy, right? Talking about getting rid of billionaires I mean whoops haha, right? When that health insurance CEO got shot I think we all took a step back and asked ourselves is this really what anyone wants?
That’s what happened
>>2937692>There's fewer people sharing communist memes on social media<social mediaThat's the key word I think.
A lot of people who get into it do so through social media. BTW it's actually people's social existence which determines their ideas, so social-media meme communism is going to reflect the logic of the platform in a profoundly different way from how people shared those ideas a century ago. Also the reason certain opinions predominate on Reddit compared to other sites is because of how Reddit as a website is actually built mechanically as a system of intellectual production.
If people are sharing fewer communist memes on social media then the reason why is probably due to changes in how social media operates. Or the people who would do that are spending less time on it (or both).
A lot of it (in my experience) was also on Twitter which is now owned by an ardently anti-communist trillionaire. Might have something to do with it!
It was never terribly popular. Now it's mostly porn, scams, and right-wing propaganda which it actually force feeds you with. Nobody actually knows for sure how much real traffic is there now since it's no longer a public company, but it has probably continued to go down.
Leftism is sustained and spread by the efforts of the capitalist class. Who do you think funds academia? You think irrelevant ideologies like Stalinism or Maoism are so popular online due to purely organic reason?
The capitalist class loves leftism in all its flavors because it successfully diverts potential communist proles into this or that leftoid ideology after which they become confused, neutered and start defending capitalism itself. So don't worry, leftism will always be here until the actual communist revolution happens.
>>2938635
Nope, its third worldist retards and campists defending shit like Russian invasion and third world dictatorships that has ALWAYS kept """""communism"""" uncool since forever. "Uncool" not in the sense whether or not hot young college chicks like it, but uncool as in the majority of the working class don't want it, dont understand it, and will only vote for socdems at best.
communism is a capitalist psyop, they don't need it anymore
>>2938640*Leftism is a capitalist psyop, and they absolutely still need it. Leftism is used to divert potential anti-capitalists into becoming a retard who defends third-world bourgeoisie or become a feckless anarchist or a blackpilled doomer or some other retarded LARP.
When the capitalist class AND leftists both say "communism is when the govt does stuff", its no wonder the working class doesn't give a shit about communism. Only social democracy is allowed to exist as a real movement, as a stabilizing and pacifying force for capitalism.
>>2938651True albeit in France the rulling class is aiming to make the big socdem party illegal so even that is becoming a little too much for them in some place
>>2937692>Feels like there's a lot less people talking about communism these days. There's fewer people sharing communist memes on social media, and fewer people discussing their favorite communist countries and movements. And /leftypol/ is definitely slower than its peak in the late 2010s. And what good did all those memes and activity on /leftypol/ do at its peak.
>>2938618>A lot of it (in my experience) was also on Twitter which is now owned by an ardently anti-communist trillionaire. Might have something to do with it!Look at the "communists" on twitter and on here and what they're posting about. A lot of times I check this site and it's absolutely dead outside of talking about the latest e-drama with Ethan Klein or some other random stupid shit. When it's actually "on topic" it's just name calling and cries of:
>Wake up sheeple!>take up arms against the government!>Go on a general strike naow!>>2938651>or a blackpilled doomerI think a lot of people take the agitate! meme to seriously and think if just get the pep rally going strong enough on social media and this website, there's going to be some spontaneous uprising or something. I think all reasonable people in the world see that shit and rightfully laugh it off.
>>2938654Honestly, if you're trying to use the internet as some kind of means to kick-start a communist insurrection, you're just a joke. All the people whoever successfully did that, did it without the internet. Can't just keep going online and going:
>Why isn't this working!?!I don't know dog, maybe try something else and touching grass. At least go sell some newspapers or something.
>>2938562>Covid, Trump, and Gaza killed communism.>Everyone wants to bitch and complain about "Zionism" and "eugenics" yet very, very few people want to openly discuss CAPITALISM anymore. Hence no one really cares about communism so as long as they get their disability benefits and freed Palestine.Another good reason is most self-proclaimed "communists" are the most insufferable people in the world.
>Oh my god why are you talking about children dying in Gaza! Don't you know you're only taking attention from MY REAL movement?Notice what subjects too, out of all the shit people are talking about in the world, that they choose to attack for stealing their rightful followers and attention.
>>2937692tbh I hope so. My beliefs around it have become so unconventional that if I were to state them honestly I'd be deeply uncool, while all the cool beliefs are transparent embarrassing nonsense worse than liberal cliches.
so long as high openness, high agreeableness neurotics find something else to use as a centre point, i can take or leave it being communism specifically.
you are correct to recognise it as a fandom and not a serious political movement, and while i sympathise with the fandom members i am deeply disillusioned to have reached the same conclusion. why did i take it so seriously for so long? why did i understand economics and actually analyse things in class terms when what i really should've been doing is picking the same handful of dumb quotes to annoy liberals on the internet? i fell for the meme and i wasted valuable time i could've used otherwise. i'm still wasting it now, still drawn back to this website…
>>2937718central planning is a fetish object with no real relevance to communism. it's a fandom classic rather than something seriously connected to any real political movement.
>>2938635nah it's pretty easy to reconcile support for ukraine with being a communist. just call russia imperialist or remember that russia did more than any other country to sink the USSR.
>>2938659>central planning is a fetish object with no real relevance to communism. It's the raison d'etre of Communism.
To centralise and administer the means of production for the sake of the actual producers.
>>2938659>nah it's pretty easy to reconcile support for ukraine with being a communist. just call russia imperialist or remember that russia did more than any other country to sink the USSR.Did they, my friend who was born in an SSR summed it up as "Russia gave the SSRs everything then they just stabbed Russia in the back." (insert the Russian hordes invaded and left behind schools and hospitals meme image, can't find it.) He's not even some hardcore communist. But he remembers how life was just better back then, especially in his SSR, one of the worst regressions out of all of them.
>>2938659>>2938675>>2937718What's the point of doing a bunch of mental masturbation about central planning? Yeah the world economy is already very largely centrally planned. Debate about central-planning or not really has little to nothing to do with why the communist movement isn't popular or successful. That's another problem with communists, pre-dating the internet, it's just a fucking intellectual debate club thing. People just want to have pointless nerdout, mental masturbation sessions that do not and will never lead to anything but more mental masturbation settings.
>Just one more article bro, one more substack, one more thesis, one more self-published book, one more video essay, I swear bro! This is all part of the REAL movement! >>2938703
You're saying that Communism isn't about central planning – I was just telling you that you are incorrect. It's okay to not be a Communist yourself, but let's not subvert the meaning of terms.
most people tend to grow out of performative politics poserdom when they get old enough to move out of their parents house and actually live in the real world where things like authoritarianism stop being abstract edgy ideas that one reads about on the internet and become lived daily realities, i.e. spending most of your waking life stuck at some job that you hate which demands absolute conformity and obedience and you are supervised and belittled and intimidated by managers all day and the people who actually make all the decisions and dictate your life are thousands of miles away in some corporate headquarters perhaps in another country and are utterly unaccountable to you, and at any moment they could fire you for any reason and completely destroy your life and make you lose your home and your family and everything else you've ever cared about.
>>2938659Just so you know, I've always appreciated your analyses, oceanposter.
By any chance have you had a look at the bordiga site? Obviously it's single-tendency which is repulsive. I'd wager the flurry of activity is flash in the pan, but a broad growth of the ultraleft strikes me as not out of the question as it's attractive to people who enjoy reading but are annoyed by the muscular tendencies of MLs and too pessimistic/traumatized for electoral democratic socialism.
Good. I am tired of people citing Marx as holy word
>>2938759they look like snails lol
Fake gay communsim is dying out, the real movement is just beginning
>>2938640Jacques Ellul said Marxism was the last great defense of the industrial system. This is very true.
The main show died but the spinoffs continue.
I've noticed the opposite
>>2939163In real life or online?
>>2938639>Nope, its third worldist retards and campists defending shit like Russian invasionI mean… I wouldn't join some ML group that supports that. But more than anything I find such people dishonest and untrustworthy if not crankish and stupid. To me the whole thing comes across as some oligarchical criminal thing and not an ideological thing. That's just my opinion, others can have fun embracing it, and some anon here could say "I knew you wouldn't…" but it's like alright cool that's fine, maybe you will find someone else who is better and will join your group.
>>2938659>central planning is a fetish object with no real relevance to communism.*market economy
>>2938659>nah it's pretty easy to reconcile support for ukraine with being a communist>yeah i support anti-communists as a "communist"beyond parody
>>2939217The great and authentic revolutionaries
>Supporting Ukraine
<Supporting Russia
>"Supporting" sides in a conflict insignificant commie groups have no possible effect over. Not even the hope to have the most minor sway on public opinion
See this is exactly why communism is a fandom.
>>2939277
Not true. Kravchuk and Kuchma were both communist party leaders.
>>2939301and it did not end well for USSR and their allies after
I'm not up to speed with communism fandom, could a get lore breakdown video?
>>2937692>There's fewer people sharing communist memes on social media, and fewer people discussing their favorite communist countries and movements.That's because Social Media has been cracking down on communist ideas and shadowbanning them. These social media sites are owned by capitalist techbros. Of course they don't want communists to post on their sights.
Social Media has no correlation with reality. Get off the internet and touch grass.
>>2939301>supported them against the axis powersas if they had a choice when Barbarossa happened and they started going on an extermination campaign east
>>2939634Marx anime? I wonder if they made a Stirner episode, that would be fun.
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