>>485111"New Britannia" in full:
https://www.surplusvalue.org.au/McQueen/sborder/australian_history.htm#ANBif anyone else has any helpful pdfs or vids feel free to post
>>485112Good anarchism books and resources:
https://www.redblacknotes.com/anarchism-in-australia/"Asbestos: The Wittenoom Tragedy" -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMAQXFkrUZ0Also if anyone has "Rocking the Foundations" (1985) on a mega.io or something that would be great
>>485115anotha Wittenoom doco:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpBS4p9Cd20https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWFqFMnonjY>>485114bipartisan support, no time nor ability to protest or push back. A enough people feeling alienated falling down conspiracy rabbit holes to give an excuse to push through draconian laws.
>>485128I've seen some suggestions its a false flag - apparently a bunch of extremists were sending out messages to people to attend.
On a personal note, if it isn't a false flag, it makes me wonder if I need to reconsider the class structure in Australia. Other essential workers aren't carrying on like this over such trivial bullshit. I honestly wonder if these idiots can be considered lumpenprole at this point.
>>485137Wait until the housing bubble bursts
More acceleration is required before the working class becomes conscious. Scovid is doing much damage
>>485151The radicals were confronted with a nightmare
The union movement, long the power base for the leftwing, had abandoned them
And what was left in its place was a dark nationalism fueled by conspiracy theories driven by the networks that the silicon valley utopians said would empower us all
But then a very strange thing happened
It turned out that the demonstrators weren't really trade unionists at all
And no-one really knew what was real or fake anymore
[Dog Shelter - Burial plays]
[montage of people looking at their phones waiting for a train at flinders st station]
Paul Keating, writing in Fairfax
The Liberals, having no faith in the capacity of Australians and all we have created here, could not resist falling back, yet again, to do the bidding of another great power, the United States of America.
Menzies, even after World War II, did Britain’s bidding against the international community in attempting to wrest the Suez Canal from Egypt just as he deceptively committed Australian troops to Vietnam to appease the United States.
Howard, another US appeaser extraordinaire, committed us to an illegal war in Iraq with tragic consequences.
And now, Morrison, a younger throwback to the Liberals’ Anglosphere, shops Australia’s sovereignty by locking the country and its military forces into the force structure of the United States by acquiring US submarines.
And all in the claim of a so-called “changed security environment”. That change is China’s more aggressive international posture – the posture of now, the world’s largest emerging economy. This change in China’s domestic and foreign posture is labelled by Morrison and his government not as the shifting posture of a re-emerging great power, but as “the China threat”. As though China, through its more abrupt and ruder foreign policy, has also presented a military threat in its dealings with Australia.
A threat that, in fact, has never been made and that has never materialised.
The word “threat” explicitly connotes military aggression or invasion, a threat China has never made against Australia or even implied making.
Chinese tariffs on wine or seafood do not constitute a military threat any more than does China’s intolerance of Hong Kong domestic political management.
Hong Kong and its affairs do not and cannot be represented as some military threat to Australia – an event that requires from us consideration of a military response. Even Chinese island-pumping in the South China Sea does not represent a military threat to Australia, unwise on China’s part, as I believe it to be.
But this is the construction Scott Morrison and his government have placed on China and its relationship with Australia.
It is a “threat”, implying by use of the word, that it is a military one.
This false representation of China’s foreign policy has also been condoned by the Labor Party, if not explicitly. In her five years as Labor’s opposition foreign affairs spokeswoman, Penny Wong, by her muted complicity with the government’s foreign policy and posture, has neutered Labor’s traditional stance as to Australia’s right to strategic autonomy – an autonomy unconstrained by any power, including, that of the United States.
Instead, Wong went along with the stance of Julie Bishop and Marise Payne – calculatedly, with not a cigarette paper of difference between her and them. And did it with licence provided by Bill Shorten as leader and, now, Anthony Albanese.
Now that long policy void is being exploited by Scott Morrison. At Morrison’s instigation, Australia turns its back on the 21st century, the century of Asia, for the jaded and faded Anglosphere – the domain of the Atlantic – a world away.
And Labor is complicit in the historic backslide. The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age have been up to their necks in it also. Peter Hartcher’s bi-weekly froth-mouthed articles about China and its supposed threat, along with Chris Uhlmann and his wicked representation of China as marauding Nazis, has constituted an important part of the climate that has allowed Morrison to now shop the country to the Americans.
China does not attack other states, unlike the United States, which does attack other states, yet the Herald and The Age have portrayed China as an aggressor power with malevolent intentions.
In a measure of luck, Australians have been vested with a continent of our own. A continent having a border with no one – with no other state. And certainly, not remotely within any territorial contest or claim by China, which is 10 flying hours from Australia’s east coast cities.
The notion that Australia is in a state of military apprehension about China, or needs to be, is a distortion and lie of the worst and most grievous proportions. By its propagation, Australia is determinedly casting China as an enemy – and in the doing of it, actually creating an enemy where none exists.
So poisonous are the Liberals towards China they are prepared for Australia to lose its way in the neighbourhood of Asia, in search of Australia’s security from Asia, by submission to yet another strategic guarantor – 240 years into our history.
>>485190Mark Rundle, writing in Crikey
His words were stern, they were magisterial, they were no-nonsense, they were of great significance.
I speak of course of Paul Keating’s op-ed in The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald this morning (I will die in a ditch before I call them Nine papers) — Joe Biden also gave a speech at the UN or something — which marks the first clear and declarative statement against our return to being a junior member of the white imperial Anglosphere in the Asian century.
Aside from Keating, there has been pretty much crickets, apart from somewhat less powerful voices, such as myself, Vanguard — the Communist Party of Australia (Marxist-Leninist) paper — and Green Left. Strange times, strange times…
In a tone you only get to take when you’re an ex-PM, Keating excoriated not only the Morrison government but the supine Sinophobes in the Age/SMH, such as the haha “froth-mouthed” (Keating’s words) Peter Hartcher and the “lizard king” (my words) Chris Uhlmann. Keating makes the points that constitute the obvious opposition to the deal: that we are lacing ourselves into an old imperial alliance, working off a systemic misconstruction in which China — a land-based, internal power — is presented as if it were the next sea-based global imperium, as the UK and then the US had been in the past two centuries.
There was more to it than that, but what has been notable is the lack of concerted, institutional opposition to our new, willed dependency in a white man’s Burton. Labor fell into line dutifully, the ACTU said not a word, the left unions did not break away and speak away, the Greens emphasised the nuclear danger angle, there was no word from the churches against a willed drift to war.
This was a new development in our history. For more than a century, stretching back to the 1890s, we have had a left with some institutional bases, which saw the global question as intertwined with local questions. True, there was plenty of, um, falling short within these movements, like, um, systemic white-power racism, but there was also vast resistance, from the 1916 anti-conscription movement onwards.
Through the 1950s and ’60s we had a vigorous peace movement — which, being run largely by the Communist Party, had its biases — and then we had one of the world’s largest anti-war and anti-nuclear movements from the ’70s through to the 2000s. The active support of unions and churches was essential to such a movement, as was the presence of a more vocal and independent Labor left — and a Labor leadership that retained aspects of Labor’s dissidence. That this coalition is now absent is a disaster for the country.
I don’t believe for a second that it is indicative of a wider absence in society; I think many Australians have a deep disquiet about the direction being taken, the giddy, gung-ho commitment to a race-grounded imperial alliance. But the shifts in Australian society have been so great that there has been a split between elite power group leaderships, and an atomised population which is often to the left of the people leading them.
Labor’s inability to speak on these matters from some sort of independent point of view has been a long time in the making (and one PJ Keating must shoulder part of the blame). So too a union movement that’s capacity to resist capital and power has been so compromised by being bound up with the vast superannuation fund, and the petty games of Labor factionalism, that it cannot articulate the simple humanist message that should arise from the character of unionism itself: no to being marched to war, yes to global dialogue and co-operation. Kim Carr, usually the goodest of good soldiers, made some protest by calling for a Senate inquiry into the deal, and linking this new explicit dependency with the killing of our heavy industrial sector. That was about as much as he could say within the self-accepted discipline of the Labor frame.
The new “industrial left” group of unions hasn’t shown any will to do any actual politics — not a leaflet, not a publication — so there was no hope that its residual left, not to say Maoist, traditions might kick in.
The Greens led with opposition to nuclear activity on our shores, a reasonable choice but with an obvious electoral pitch to South Australian seats like Boothby and Mayo. In terms of social leadership, they should have started with opposition to the push to war — to the obvious imperial whiteness and racism at the core of it — and the attack on global multilateralism. They should come out big on this, leading with a resistance to the push to war, and making the nuclear aspect part of that. We need the Greens to step into that leadership space that has been vacated by others. This is demonstrated all the more by the failure of progressive outlets to identify the side they should be on, in stark terms, and with full urgency.
Guardian Australia was pathetic on this, and its failure to rise to the occasion shows how both centrist and out-of-its-depth its editorial centre is. Having nothing to say immediately, it then went to — or was this a contact-high hallucination from reading too many wellness articles? — John Blaxland for commentary. I’m all for pluralism in progressive media but I don’t think the authorised historian of ASIO should be its go-to. It got better/worse when itranshumanisteil James, head of that old Santamaria front the Australian Defence Association. Graeme Wise is really getting value for money over at the Guardian shop. Both were, you’ll be amazed to hear, uncritical.
Elsewhere the progressives “of colour” were largely silent. People who can spend two weeks debating whether a white author can write in an Asian character have little to say on a development that will necessarily redefine Australia as an Anglo/European society once more. Is it not now clear why the federal government was happy, and is still trying, to kill off the east Asian-oriented overseas student industry? Nothing better demonstrates the degree to which identity politics is an elite politics, happy to leave the big material stuff to the powers that be.
This gap, between the widespread disquiet about this move and a lack of leading political agency to express it, is a very disheartening development, albeit one which has been a long time coming. The hollowing out of the union movement (a self-carving wooden ashtray, that one); the destruction of industry that was a guarantor of independence, giving Murdoch the keys to the kingdom; the… well, you know what I’m getting at. And who.
To keep saying that one PJ Keating needs to account for how we got here makes you sound like a broken Mahler 78. Nevertheless, if we’re going to begin a decades-long reorientation from this situation, we are going to need some honest accounting about the decades of mistakes made that got us here. Some true confessions from the perpetrators would be an excellent start.
But it is going to take more than a few hacks to start a real resistance to this. The Greens, the churches, any left union with a skerrick of politics remaining — any or all are going to need to turn their diesel-powered guns to this. We have a evangelical-Christian-headed government, and our three big media orgs are headed by pro-militarist Christian types.
Whatever the US’s intent in this alliance is, we are being marched to civilisational conflict with a religious and apocalyptic overlay. This can be exposed and defeated, but it’s going to take a realisation by progressives that this is not a side issue to negative gearing or sombrero-wearing. Biden can tell the UN he doesn’t want a new Cold War; it’s the hot one our leaders want that I’m worried about. This is going to be, quite literally, the fight of our lives.
>>485192I believe so.
I also have no idea why I listed him as "Mark" Rundle instead of Guy Rundle.
>>485199>>485201They don't care - if you're a socialist you can't be a labor zealot because it makes no sense.
If you're a labor zealot this shit was the right thing to do.
There's no fixing these idiots.
>>485150I dare the fake tradies to push for legalization of gun ownership for self-defense in Australia and succeed.
If gun ownership for self defense was legal like in the U.S again. then perhaps not only could a soup kitchen be set up right near them but the CPA could donate guns to the homeless and they can get some target practice somewhere.
Any affluent fascist blokes try to assault them, the homeless have far less to lose than them and would be allowed to shoot in self-defense in that case.
>>485150Adding to what I said. Talking about the context of target practice for self defense becoming a thing if gun ownership for protecting yourself in Australia was legalized*
In that scenario any fascists larping as tradies' going near with intention to cause harm would be met with a hail of gunfire from people with nothing to lose. It would be legal cause it would be self defense if Australia 'became like the U.S' in that respect.
>>485212No?
I'm just a weirdo transhumanist who wants soviet flags and posters in their room
>>485213I mean a decent quality one ofc
>>485214I wouldn't mind "storming" some beaches in Taipei to be honest
Preferably without any Americans within 6,000km
>>485215Oh cool, strike on TV!
(a real one btw)
>>485217Which channel?
I'm not really following the news all that much sorry
>>485219Oh, why would I want to do that?
I'm in melbourne so I can't even go somewhere that would get me on tv within 5 km bubble
>>485219sure whatever this works
>>485217There was a brief 30 second segment on (channel 10 news? roommate watches TV, not me) mentioning this Transport Workers Union StarTrack delivery strike today, and a FexEd one next week. Transport Workers Union.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-23/startrack-workers-on-strike-as-fedex-staff-vote-to-strike/100484888 >>485225It is amusing to watch the habbening.
The various LNP leaders were delusional in believing that "living with covid" was a desirable situation. Realistically the only way things could go "back to normal" was to have kept to zero covid.
>>485231nice. being outside and touching grass is key to avoiding becoming an internet schizo.
if you want to make friends/meet people, the easiest way is a shared activity. force yourself into some meetup group that you're vaguely interested in (or a uni/tafe course, or work). these things are full of terrified asocial people. i know it sounds cliche but get out of your comfort zone and it won't induce anxiety after a while.
also look at how other socially active people around you dress, and try to imitate (within budget), not looking like a goober helps a bunch
you could also join a relevant political party but that might make things worse lol
>>485236:(
>>485235That's really rude of you anon
>>485233Well there's a few hobbies i'm into that i want to meet other people over but it's a bit scary and also I have a feeling i'll meet people but they won't want to meet again
I'm too ashamed of myself to try to dress well
>>485237>also I have a feeling i'll meet people but they won't want to meet againIt's probably easier to be at a place for a hobby, so you're meeting a group rather than single people. I would be far less likely to go out of my way to re-meet any single person than to return to a group or team or activity. That's probably why someone suggested things like work groups, sports and hobbies.
>I'm too ashamed of myself to try to dress wellI find dressing well increases my confidence a bit (placebo works!) and I can't empathize with being ashamed to present myself, but really, as long as you're not too ashamed to be hygienic, you should be fine on that side.
Ultimately, lots of it comes from experience, noticing things and a touch of self-crit, but not too much..
>>485237Maybe if you use the Grinder you might meet someone who help you get a makeover
also, in Japan, there is a service where you can pay people to pretend to be your friend
>>485204Of course Australia will lose. Our country is controlled by Oligarchs and incompetent bearaucrats. Say what you will about China, but they know how to organise their shit.
Only way AUSUK will win is if they adopt a China style government by instituting a one party state/ having the state crack down on billionaires who don't act in the interest of the nation. Other than that, China is likely to wipe the floor with us.
>>485227Here's a better version of the last clip. Virgin cop versus Chad tradie.
>>485232Why does it need any? There was no need for that slam.
>>485245<Can't spell Annastacia Palaszczuk, so it's just A.P. and D.A.>>485228There might even be a change of labor leader between now and the election. LNP will win next year either way.
>>485262Thanks
I'm just whining, not looking for banter really
>>485235What about a grinder or tinder for fights?
Maybe include a beacon feature you can turn on that shows you fighters where there's no rules on how you start the fight and its any place, any time.
The world of martial arts would literally come to life just like in Grappler Baki and champions would emerge in cities eventually.
If the culture changes then the best martial artists in the world might be able to challenge the world's billions to duels and prove they are bad fighters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMXxZ-vQ0EA >>485266Would you call all the characters from Grappler Baki 'retards' then since they are all recreational fighters who want to fight everyone they can for real (In order to be recognized as 'the strongest martial artist in the world')?
There are even death row inmates who break out and wander the world looking for somebody who can let them 'taste defeat' in the series and feel unsatisfied or restless until they can in the plotline.
>>485252Holy shit based! Did he get away?
>>485254you will be compelled by the straya people's court to act as a pedestal for this man's giant balls
>>485292same, but I am not opposed to it. I went to one of the protests (expecting there to be a CFMMEU presence - there wasn't but I heard there was over 200 members barricaded inside the office) so I just strolled around taking in the spectacle. Its easy to see the entire thing as a media event. The mainstream media gets their shots of their reporters being harassed, plenty of pics of people in Fluro which can be twisted into 1000 different meanings. While the amateur conspiracy/rightists media go around with their camera stabilisers and their helmets livestreaming to audiences around the globe. And they are even lauded for it - there were times where they chanted "Avi! Avi! Avi!" and "Rukshan! Rukshan! Rukshan!" as if the entire protest was them posing for the cameras of an wife-beating IDF soldier or an ex-wedding photographer. I hope that this will bring about a sense of re-politicisation - not only for the unions but for the wider public as well.
>>485293I heard it hurt their feelings but how? Is a plane flying around a city really too much for them?
>>485294They've had state-enforced collective PTSD for 20 years about a singular event that's killed less people than most of the bombings of cities they've done, so yeah.
Amerisharts are really that fragile. Must be their circumcised pps being rubbed raw by their underwear all the time.
>>485299Because he's not a fascist retard
>>485300Its pretty well known to anyone who studies Australian political history. Most Australians can't name a premier from before WW2, let alone before federation.
>>485190>>485191Paul Keating, writing in Fairfax
Marise Payne, who has made an art form of hiding her light under a bushel, dashed onto the national stage on Monday, completely unfazed by the blazing footlights.
The purpose of this daring appearance was to attack me for having the temerity to say that the government’s AUKUS agreement re-staples us to the Anglosphere – the world of the Atlantic, while stridently turning its back on our geography, Asia, in the same awkward movement.
Payne and the Prime Minister were bedazzled by the grand reception they were afforded in Washington – a reception any strategic client of the United States would have received had they turned over control of their armed forces to the US. But in our case, turning over effective control of our foreign policy into the bargain. Any prime minister that shops Australia’s prerogatives and interests to another power will always be feted and celebrated by that power. And this is precisely what Scott Morrison and Marise Payne experienced.
The US submarine decision was not just about under-sea warfare, it was about donating eight submarines paid for by us to the command of the United States, as an integral part of its Pacific fleet. Try and think of another country that would do anything this submissive.
But more than that, in the doing of it, rudely affronting Europe’s sole international power, France – the one European state which possesses a sophisticated military, nuclear submarines and nuclear weapons. And along with that, real Pacific national assets. A genuine Pacific power. One could have hardly dreamt up a more adequate or a more appropriate military partner than France. But Morrison, who has spent but a dogwatch thinking about strategic issues and the arraignment of international power, did the French in, to ideologically console himself, preferring instead, the safety of the sweaty armpit of the United States. When should we stop clapping?
But with Broadway well and truly part of America’s DNA, the White House hosted the first face-to-face meeting of the so-called Quad, with decorated desks in its East Room.
The Quad has only one objective and that is to contain China. The fact that somehow, the rise of 20 per cent of humanity from abject poverty into something approaching a modern state, is illegitimate – but more than that, by its mere presence, an affront to the United States. It is not that China presents a threat to the United States – something China has never articulated nor delivered – rather, its mere presence represents a challenge to United States pre-eminence.
How dare a state, as large as the United States, so represent itself. But not just represent itself, possess the wherewithal to possibly become twice as large. Nowhere is such an eventuality to be found in the American playbook. But this is what the Quad is all about. And, naively, we are in it.
The moment a loud shot was fired, the Indians would lock themselves in their peninsula and the Japanese would do what they always do, negotiate from under the table. That would leave the United States and mugs like us carrying a military fight to the Chinese all by our righteous selves.
India is having us all on. India enjoys the impenetrable wall of the Himalayas on its north and the protection of two oceans around its distended peninsula. And it has a population younger and as large as that of China. It is in an undefeatable position. And no power would try to defeat it – certainly not the Chinese.
Henry Kissinger said to me on a number of occasions that he and I shared an important strategic view. And that view, in Kissinger’s words, was that India “would never be part of the East Asian system”. A view I have always firmly held.
It is impossible to imagine the Indian Navy attacking Chinese military or civilian assets in the South China Sea – an area completely remote from the safety and comity of India’s waterlocked peninsula – notwithstanding the odd skirmish each has every decade or so on their Himalayan border.
India is a member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation. The other states include China itself, Russia and Pakistan. India will turn up as large as life to the next meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, after it has turned up, as large as life, for America’s Quad follies in the White House.
India, a founder of the non-aligned movement, has historically been allergic to alliances, having no desire whatsoever to put all its eggs into one basket – something it will never do. But here we are in Australia, at the strategic casino, putting all our money on black, thinking the Indians will turn up for a major showdown with the Chinese. While the Japanese know, in such a fight, China will obliterate them.
But the prophet from the Shire has wandered into all this, unable to comprehend the vector forces of the subtleties at play, when Australian foreign policy had the complete capacity to manage relations between China and the United States, as we have done so successfully for decades before.
I singlehandedly talked two American presidents into sitting down annually with the president of China, the prime minister of Japan and the president of Indonesia and, in China’s case, persuading them to sit beside the representatives of Taiwan and Hong Kong. That is what I did in developing the APEC Leaders’ Meeting. Could you imagine Morrison or Payne or the growling policeman from Queensland achieving such a thing? But now, according to Payne, I am not up to date, I am too long out of it, a relic of a bygone age. Well, I might be, but one thing I am not – an Australian defeatist who, at the first sign of tension, would sell the country out to another power.
>>485335Oh someone replied to me :)
What does tulcel mean?
>>485343>Fuck the doctors. It should be easier to study medicine in AustraliaIs it hell expensive to study for a doctor's degree there?
>That's why the health system is always about to collapse.Heh. Is your healthcare also hell expensive like in America?
>>485358>Is it hell expensive to study for a doctor's degree there?It's not expensive because the government helps you pay for it, it's just hard to get in. That's why there is always a doctor shortage. The AMA does this so they get paid more, like the American AMA.
>Is your healthcare also hell expensive like in America?Redditors will tell you it's free, but they are Labor Party shills. Medicare makes big things free, like if you need urgent major surgery, but otherwise it's expensive. Seeing a GP is often free, but not always. Dental is not covered by medicare, so it's expensive. Specialists are in theory free and covered by medicare, but because of the doctor shortage they usually make patients pay as well as the government.
>>485358Medical degrees in Australia have different price tiers
The top students go for the Bachelor level degree which is also cheapest
Those who miss out can go for various Graduate level degrees which are more expensive.
Hospitals were underfunded and skimped on training spots so many who attended some of the shittier schools were in danger of not getting hospital training spot and being unable to practice. I think the bottleneck was in the hospital training slots.
It is too late to change things now since it takes many years to train a doctor. and existing doctors would have less time to train new doctors now
>>485362fucking lol
he's unbearable
>>485381It isnt a mystery, burgers are 2 dimensional
its cus chyna
>>485385Since your saying parents and your on /leftypol/ im going to assume your at least in your twenties and that your parents are Gen-X or slightly older.
Remember that Gen-X was GROUND ZERO for the 'Lucky country', Howardism, 2000s EvangeloNeoCon bullshit. My Gen-X dad who is a unionised council worker swears up and down that Howard is the best prime minister we ever had and that his Prime-Ministership was directly responsible for the 90s being the 'best time of my life'
When i tried to explain to him that Morrisons plan of letting people take 20'000$ out of their superfunds to poomp the economy during covid, even from a Liberal-Economics perspective was one of the dumbest ideas in history he didn't skip a beat, he went immediately to 'Yeah but Anon thats going to keep so many tradies and people working at the shops employed' (It didn't)
And when i suggested to him that the libs plan to let people gut their supers to prop up the housing bubble was insane he chimed in 'But it's a genius plan Anon, So many people your age complain about not having houses but this will help people buy them!'
I think we need to remember AusJuche's comments that post-Howard our culture basically IS the concept of consumption of commodities especially in regards to the degree to which a person is able to consume as many products and services as possible constantly.
>>485386>post-Howard our culture basically IS the concept of consumption of commodities especially in regards to the degree to which a person is able to consume as many products and services as possible constantly.burger here. can't believe this wasn't true before. I once read that Aus culture was basically American frontier culture but one or two generations younger. seems sensible
>>485385honestly this is all that the mandate-skeptics don't like, the extreme pressure to love vaccination, hate unvaccinated people and assume that covid is the only problem in the world
>>485388American mass consumer culture really exploded in the 1980s under Reagan… We certainly shifted to a credit economy at the same time but it was tempered by a "center left" government. Howard came in 1996 and opened the flood gates, taking advantage of China's rise and our huge mineral deposits. The size of the economy exploded.
Then 2008 happened, the media blamed the Labor party for an international economic crisis, they got booted out and now we've had 8 years of conservatism growing from this idea of "muh balanced budget".
>>485388>I once read that Aus culture was basically American frontier culture but one or two generations younger.We're a fairly young country, that lag of two generations was true as early as the 2000s, but with the development of capital as pointed out by anon here
>>485389 and the introduction of the internet, the lag in the rate of adoption of US culture has been shrinking exponentially. Australian culture has been reduced to America-lite in real time.
>>485389Should be noted that Carter was the first neoliberal US president but yeah the effects weren't felt until the 80s
>>485390>Australian culture has been reduced to America-lite in real timesolid melting into air etc.
I noticed that there is baseball now in Australia? Top lol
>>485387It's ok mate, they're only in the transition period of boomers and X. You've got another couple of years before you're too old.
>>485386Oh man, you're exactly right about the Howard shit. They were also really sad about Gladys going.
>>485392>They were also really sad about Gladys going.Covid really wrecked the coalition of rubes that props ups the Libs imo.
And you can sorta see it on how their base is divided over the legacy of Glady's and the Libs reaction to covid.
On one hand you have the demented urban capital-L / turnbullist Libs that seem to unironically think that NeoLib girlboss premier was taken down by the rural country-bumpkin white men in her party because she refused to be slut-shamed or some asinine shit.
Then you have the Lucky country / True blue aussie battler Gen-X crowd who basically just try to throw out some sort of coping excuse for her. Like my father who choose the following.
>"Anon, She was probably one of our best premiers ever [And yes when i asked why he couldn't name a single policy she did except 'muh egonomic manager'] But ehh, you make ONE mistake and they use it to tear you down *tsk* Just the way the world works mate"Then you have the reactionary retards in the Libs on par with Craig kelly who FUCKING HATE GLADY's because she HELPED USHER IN THE MEDICAL APARTHEID COVID NWO And who wished that Glady's prescribed us all horse dewormer.
Even Alan Jones admits that the Libs would lose an election if it was held now because the libs need (to quote) "41% of first preference votes minimum to have any chance of forming government"
Since we are a FPTP country after-all the amount of people that are probably going to waste their voot for U.A.P or O.N or the LibDems because they NEED TO STOP THE GLOBOHOMO WORLD ORDER!!!11!! May genuinely be enough to push Libs below that 41% and usher in either Labor a Minority Labor+Greens.
The issue is that any attempt to appease the reactionary retard / Craig Kelly faction of the party makes them seem like fucking lunatics to the battlers and the coastal libs.
>>485393This shit is so confusing as a Victorian.
I don't know anyone who doesn't despise her.
>>485393Craig fucking Kelly.
Does ANYONE here know anyone who likes him?
>>485381they're obsessed with whatever is in their current schizo media cycle
they'll forget we exist in a few weeks
>>485378it's hilarious how most media are already arselicking the new guy
what do you mean by spectacle tho? she's out because a lib premier in an icac trial during a federal election would look bad, right?
>>485347Member in 2019 when the pollsters said regional qld would vote labour and but they didnt you cunts wouldnt stfu about it, and the western suburbs didnt either and you were fine with that?
Seems like a pattern you are willfully ignoring
>>485346No it isnt. Finland just brough a pilot project powered by hydrogen online last month.
>>485404They've been wanting to make anonymous activity on the internet illegal for a while, they just haven't figured out how in the hell you could do that.
I figure we'll end up with our own insane "great firewall", just watch as the media narrative slowly shifts away from criticising that element of China. It's already started with journalists whinging about "trolls" when criticised for their shitty takes.
>>485406LAX to Sydney is the quickest but not cheapest way, I imagine you would get a JFK - LAX - SYD connecting. You'd have to wait until lockdown is over though.
Be warned that this place is a boring shithole and if you aren't coming for wildlife and scenery then its basically a carbon copy of the US just a little less shit.
>>485415>arts, sport, fashion, coffee, comedy, music, eventsExpensive and only for hipsters
The Burger tourist would likely be confused and disappointed and gain greater enjoyment visiting Outback Steakhouse
>>485420So your typical itinerary would be something like Sydney (Bondi beach), the Gold Coast (if you like partying at the beach - think Miami. Also has theme parks.), Cairns (Daintree, great barrier reef), Uluru.
There is plenty more of course but that's the basic beaches and nature sprint. Heaps of national parks and zoos in those areas as well.
>>485413its absolutely true about Melbourne or any other city.
Muh culture (which is cafes, graffiti murals and global entertainment tours) are present in every other Australian city.
Melbourne in particular is almost identical to Boston and probably 20 other American cities
>>485406Become an Au Pair.
>>485430Nah. I lold.
Dads google history was spot on
>>485436Good to have around before the final
transition to socialism.
>>485467We aint playin by the bourgeois book and the state library doesn't quite like us setting up literally on their doorstep. As far as I know, having a bunch of homeless people and commies slap bang in the middle of the city each weekend isn't a good look for them. If they wanna play the "safety" card they can fuck off. If cunts want people to be safe they can fucking house them and provide better support services than the shitshow networks they got now.
CUDL aint just some charity, our aims are revolutionary and they can be damn sure we won't take their shit lying down.
>>485479As much as I joke about killing urbanites/ruralite supremacy it's absolutely the case that idealisation of the countryside in western countries is an urbanite delusion. In the global south there legitimately still exists a kind of distinct, collectivistic & tight knit rural culture, although it's important to understand that said culture exists as a means of survival. No state safety nets & overwhelming poverty create an absolute need for people to cooperate with and work together, and the lack of social mobility in rural areas, lack of ability to actually engage in pety-bourgeois consumption means that while heavily eroded, the value system remains rooted in a kind of reactionary, cyclical agrarian traditionalism. A similar culture exists also in the slums of the global south, and third worlders who end up within material & class conditions comparable to the western pety-bourgeoisie/middle class end up adopting a functionally identical value system based around endless consumption of goods/experiences and this kind of vague emotional need for endless "progress" in part driven by death anxiety.
In most of the west, rural life is basically just an inferior version of city life, with the majority of ruralites employed in shittier versions of urban service economy jobs, communities totally atomized & rural self sufficiency being a total memes. Exceptions exist in the most assfuck maldeveloped & raped regions, ie remote WA/NT here or hinterland regions of the US where a new, but malformed reactionary collectivism either remained or has reformed as a survival mechanism. For the most part though ruralites in Australia are as much retarded, socially atomized, selfish, individualistic consoomer values driven fuckheads as urbanites. There really is no difference except that we have way inferior quality & access to service, both public and private and life is more miserable/boring. The days when the majority of rural people had a garden and practiced some form of self sufficiency are long gone. Even in remote rural assfuck towns like mine most people would struggle to keep a houseplant alive or gut a fish or a chook.
The general tendency will be towards a kind of US style hinterlandization of the rural areas, accelerated both by the Nationals absolute crazy fucking around (every rural town has some kind of crazy story about local nats corruption, their entire org is basically an organized crime group masquerading as as a political party) and radically worsening chaotic climate change, draught, bushfires etc. Over the coming decade or two more and more towns are going to be abandoned, whether due to being unsustainable ie lack of water/fucked infrustructure or due to aridification & places just straight up not being rebuilt after a bushfire sweeps through. Climate refugees (who already exist in our country but just aren't conscious of their status) are going to flock primarily to new great depression style slums in major cities and secondarily to larger rural hubs. State power will increasingly erode in the rural areas as the economy is assblasted, US empre degenerates & climate crisis fucks our shit up to the point that gangs, churches, mafias, and in some cases political groups are going to form unofficial dual power "states within the state" among the handful of sad, crushed people remaining in these areas. The low population density, physical distance, inevitable deteriorating of infrustructure & cost of transport is going to lead these states within states eventually functioning like Mexican Cartels or warlords, operating with a large degree of autonomy in "their territory", effectively being "the law" and providing basic services while paying homage to the Australian state. In general the era of mass parties and politics is over, and the future is turning towards regionalism & autonomous dual power politics centred in regional strongholds. If ever some kind of civil war did break out in Australia it'd be a long drudging 5th gen warfare style slogfest which would eventually fizzle out into a bunch of breakaway warlord states as the physical distance + low population make large scale warfare, sieges etc too costly both in transportation/logistics and manpower. In reality though, while the future of the US looks certain to be ultra blood Syrian/Yugoslav style balkanization + civil war on steroids, the destruction of Australia as a coherent state will be way longer term and more fizzlish. One day our agriculture is going to be too fucked up by climate change + collapse of the global economy to sustain the cities, there will be some kind of largescale die off reducing our population to early 20th centuries levels, people are going to disperse out & cost of transport in a world without easily accessible fossil fuels will lead to the country just kind of quietly "drifting away" from itself.
Understanding this is not a defeatist position. It's a basic necessity that we correctly analyze trends & tendencies, where things are going if we want to correctly orient our organizing work toward success in the long term. The immediate/short term future will absolutely be toward a kind of post-nation cyberpunk dysotpia, although in the long run abscent purely hypothetical to the point of fantasy miracle supertechnology, chaotic climate change & collapse of global supply networks will necessarily lower the carrying capacity of this continent + render modern service economy oriented cities unsustainable.
In a lot of ways is both much worse than other western capitalist states, but also full of far more opportunity in the medium term. Historical & contemporary conditions have rendered us into a very much unique scenario among other western imperialist/junior imperialist states. One of the biggest short term problems is also potentially one of the most promising long term opportunities, and that is the total lack of collective values, national mythology, common ethos etc which typically form up other nations. Even in ultra-alienated states like America, we can point to the existence of entire nations, however socially atomized they may be, with shared values, historicity and common idea of themselves as a people (beyond memes). Here in Australia we possess none of these things beyond the most shallow, paper thin deep conceptualization. It's absolutely no joke to say that there is no "Australian ethos" or "Australian culture" beyond a mass personal value system rooted in endless consumption, apathy/indifference, a servile "convict mentality" (which I'll go more into in a second) and memes which live on seriously only dying silents & boomers. If we're going to be honest the entire narrative of Australians being hardier frontiersmen braving wildlife & geographic/climate hardships is at best a kind of joke which we only serious maintain when dealing with foreigners, and at worst a cynical form of PR designed to hook tourists. When I talk to people my age, even in assfuck ruralstan, I'm to hear more african-american vernacular memes than Actual true blue aussie ocker speak, hell I catch myself using the term "gas station" all the damn time. Even supposedly politicized and "radical" Australians know more about whatever dumb fucking bullshit is going on over in the states than in their own local seat. We're a people asbcent a core conception of the self, a common value system and stuck with an overwhelming ignoracne of our own history. One of most fascinating for me though is that one of the very unifying and historically rooted culture tendencies is the "convict mentality" or "convict morality" which has infected most Australians. The roots of this are pretty easy to trace back, poor proles from Ireland, Wales & Northern England - people who were either mostly outright peasants or new urbanites with a still very much peasant mentality & lack of sense of nationality, got sent here in chains and told that if they behaved and served their time as forced labourers like good boys, they'd get their freedom back and some land. This played a huge role in developing the kind of laid back, apathetic, lowkey self hating/inferior servile attitude which has infected most Aussies today & this mentality is conscious stoked by the bourgeoisie, ie since 2000's the narrative is that the defining event in the development of Australian nationality was Australians jumping off boats and running in Turkish machine gun fire, playing human meat sheilds like good boys to our British superiors. However pigheaded and brutish faux "Australian nationalists" on the right may be, the reality is this entire right wing concept of Australian nationhood is built on servility and inferiority to a "big brother" power, whether this be the brits or the Americans. We're a childlike people who without (an ultimately abusive) big brother figure, would be lost in the world.
If you actually critically look at this "convict mentality" and compare to the kind of colonized mentality which exists in a lot of current neocolonies, you're going to quickly see that a phenomona which in a lot of ways is almost identical. Perhaps the best example would be Filipinos, who I've said before are one of the most deeply mindscrambled & mentally colonized, self hating people in the world, whose colonial mentality and self hatred manifests eerily similarly, both on an individual and collective level to Australian convict mentality subservience.. The only first world country in a remotely similar situation as far as I can see are the Germans, who are stuck with a deep sense of cultural/national shame over holocaust guilt (cynically promoted by the Zionist lobby & US as a means of keeping the EU in line) although the entire "antideutsche" mentality is ultimately limited to "the left" and "moderate" wings of neoliberal/mainstream politics. There is a "far right", and a smaller (since East Germany fell and "progressive"/Marxist based German nationalism has been abandoned by Die Linke, etc) "far left" opposition to this. Here in Australia there are no outliers to this mass cultural inferiority & subservient mentality, with "the left" adopting a kind of original sin/victim worship politics centred form of self hatred & "the far right" adopting a houseuyghur loyal slave version. There are no actual nationalists in Australia, nobody arguing for a genuine national autarky, for national pride, for independence or actualization of ourselves as a people, only a debate as to what form our self hatred should take. Should we crucify ourselves for the original sin of "whiteness" and settlerism, or should we make ourselves living meatshields and throw down our lives for our for superior massah? Watch how often both "proud, Australia first" nationalists and "far left socialists" whine that they'd much rather live in the United States.
A lot of the problems we are now stuck in as a country, as a people, are our failure to orgnically self actualize and develop as a distinct national with a common sense of values, belief, identity, etc. We're stuck not really knowing who we are as a people. Are we a 60'000 year old melting pot soup of immigrants, an anglo exclave, or are we an actually distinct people, not defined by our ancestry and who are tied to this land? What do we actually believe in, what do we value, what do we have in common beyond shitty fucking consumer memes? The inability to form this collective, core sense of identity & values leads to apathy and self hatred by default, made worse & entrenched by our history of apathetic collaboration and innate self of inferiority by our convict mentality.
This is why I argue that if absolutely anything were to get done in Australia, we need first solve the national question, that is, who the fuck are we, what do we believe in, and what do we have in common? Any kind of revolutionary program in Australia must adopt & shape into form a non ethnic/racial based, collectivistic Australian nationalism, and failure to do so will lead to fragmentation whether on the lines of regionalism, ethnic based nationalism/tribalism or more likely, both simulatenously.
So where is the "long term opportunity" in this? Simple. It's easier to build up from a practically blank slate than it is a crowded base or canvas. If you want to see an example of this in the physical or non social world, compare Pyongyang to Beijing or Moscow. While other western states - Whether in Europe or North American or wherever else are bogged down by deeply entrenched historicla & social baggage limiting the directions that a new culture can be formed, we will have in Australia very unique opportunity to build ourselves, our values, and our entire conception of ourselves and who we are "from the ground up" in a way that the Europeans, Americans, Canadians, Japanese etc simply won't.
Prior to the founding of the DPRK, Mount Paektu was fairly insignificant outside of a handful of old poems and literature which most Koreans had no awareness of. Now, however, the mountain has a kind of universal venerated status among Koreans, both in the North and in the South. If you asked a man in Seoul about this, about the role the WPK played in transforming the old dormant volcano into a mythological symbol, he'd probably tell you that this is nonsense; and that the whole Korean people have always venerated Mount Paektu.
Edit: Reposting, had to clean it up a little. Still a bit of a mess but whatever, it’s readable m8s.
>>485486I was more talking about the Ecological and aesthetic aspect in regards to the Neo-Suburbs being plonked down in the middle of cattle grazing lands AusJuche.
I do agree with you that since the Australian
'Farmer'' (Which as you stated most people living in the outback fucking aren't anyway) aren't like revolutionary peasants or something because their not living in a Post-Feudal lightly developed model of production.
>The general tendency will be towards a kind of US style hinterlandization of the rural areas, accelerated both by the Nationals absolute crazy fucking around (every rural town has some kind of crazy story about local nats corruption, their entire org is basically an organized crime group masquerading as as a political party) and radically worsening chaotic climate change, draught, bushfires etc. Over the coming decade or two more and more towns are going to be abandoned, whether due to being unsustainable ie lack of water/fucked infrustructure or due to aridification & places just straight up not being rebuilt after a bushfire sweeps through. Climate refugees (who already exist in our country but just aren't conscious of their status) are going to flock primarily to new great depression style slums in major cities and secondarily to larger rural hubs. State power will increasingly erode in the rural areas as the economy is assblasted, US empre degenerates & climate crisis fucks our shit up to the point that gangs, churches, mafias, and in some cases political groups are going to form unofficial dual power "states within the state" among the handful of sad, crushed people remaining in these areas. The low population density, physical distance, inevitable deteriorating of infrustructure & cost of transport is going to lead these states within states eventually functioning like Mexican Cartels or warlords, operating with a large degree of autonomy in "their territory", effectively being "the law" and providing basic services while paying homage to the Australian state. In general the era of mass parties and politics is over, and the future is turning towards regionalism & autonomous dual power politics centred in regional strongholds. If ever some kind of civil war did break out in Australia it'd be a long drudging 5th gen warfare style slogfest which would eventually fizzle out into a bunch of breakaway warlord states as the physical distance + low population make large scale warfare, sieges etc too costly both in transportation/logistics and manpower. In reality though, while the future of the US looks certain to be ultra blood Syrian/Yugoslav style balkanization + civil war on steroids, the destruction of Australia as a coherent state will be way longer term and more fizzlish. One day our agriculture is going to be too fucked up by climate change + collapse of the global economy to sustain the cities, there will be some kind of largescale die off reducing our population to early 20th centuries levels, people are going to disperse out & cost of transport in a world without easily accessible fossil fuels will lead to the country just kind of quietly "drifting away" from itselfSo basically we're going to end up looking like China after the collapse of the Qing but before the rise of the PRC, Or Afghanistan after the fall of Najubullah but before the Taliban takeover, Or Brazil Post-Empire Pre-Vargas. A bunch of Warlords treating the land and the people on it as their own personal property, with a 'government' that only exists in the city's paying homage to them so the urbanites have food on the shelves. And eventually even that shit may not be sustainable.
>So where is the "long term opportunity" in this? Simple. It's easier to build up from a practically blank slate than it is a crowded base or canvas. If you want to see an example of this in the physical or non social world, compare Pyongyang to Beijing or Moscow. While other western states - Whether in Europe or North American or wherever else are bogged down by deeply entrenched historicla & social baggage limiting the directions that a new culture can be formed, we will have in Australia very unique opportunity to build ourselves, our values, and our entire conception of ourselves and who we are "from the ground up" in a way that the Europeans, Americans, Canadians, Japanese etc simply won't.Even though i may be misrembering. This reminds me of somewhat of /acc theory along with Fisher's stuff but also expanded to cover culture instead of simply capitalism itself.
Basically as capitalism causes our nation to physically degrade and implode in on itself into either chaos or barbarism, Our cultural and Social relations are going to get more and more increasingly atomised and deterritorialised until it truly does reach some 'every man for himself' / 'View everyone except you as a commodity' bullshit where social-relations just completely collapse. Seppo inspired coonsumer culture eats its own tale and the 'Australian dream' / 'The biggest goal in life is to own a home' / 'Open a business' will implode in on itself.
But some people say this actually provides an opportunity to marxists, as it basically will strip away decades of spooks, brainwashing and nonsense that has been fed to people by murdoch by reducing them to Neurotic, solipsistic doomers. the entire cultural hivemind of Australia reduced to "A blank canvas the Marxist can write upon"
>>485485>Murdoch's corpse which is now being kept alive by a Golden thronefucking kek
grimdark future indeed
>>485491the birth of a new society is through the crises of the current one,as long as it stands,there will be no toplling.
You either give me a reasoning as to how it could happen while the majority is apolitical and not currently dying,or you cope with reality.
>>485491>Can you guys come up with a better plan how to get to a socialist future without having to go through a mass die off semi collapse scenario. This is starting to sound like lefty doomsday prepping, instead of building a future.A mass die off is not "part of the plan", these are trends/tendencies which are beyond the control of individuals. The reality is there are legitimately environments where very little can actually be done, or where what can be done is necessarily humble and preperatory. The idea that willpower can overcome concrete material conditions or trends outside the control of any person/group of people (incl the bourgeoisie) is rooted in vulgar idealism.
Reality is grim dark, and collapse is just a reality. You can either become a productive doomer optimistic & work with reality as it exists in order to try to build a better world or you can retreat into defeatism. Covering your ears and screaming "lalalala" and pretending that the allmighty willpower of the individual can overcome phenomona and trends mightier than any existence individual, group or state is in itself a kind of defeatism rooted in emotional immaturity & rejection of materialist analysis.
If you're able to provide an analysis of the situation which provides more explanatory/predictive power without retreating into vulgar idealism (muh willpower can overcome everything!) or leaning on appeals weird black science man tier pop science hypothetical magic fantasy technology saving the day then then please feel free. Our movement has been hedging everything on the idea that we'll spontaneously magic together a winning strategy "when the time comes" for 100 years, and things have only been getting grimmer all the while. At least the analysis I'm proposing presents some idea of what we can do here and now, how it can translate into more meaning action in the future, even if for the time being all we can do is fairly humble.
>>485488>So basically we're going to end up looking like China after the collapse of the Qing but before the rise of the PRC, Or Afghanistan after the fall of Najubullah but before the Taliban takeover, Or Brazil Post-Empire Pre-Vargas. A bunch of Warlords treating the land and the people on it as their own personal property, with a 'government' that only exists in the city's paying homage to them so the urbanites have food on the shelves. And eventually even that shit may not be sustainable.Yes, but very slowly. The future will probably be a fragmentation of Australia into many, essentially warlord states. Prior to that though these warlord states will exist as dual power entities tolerated by the government as they initially spring to fill the gaps & provide services which the state can no longer, ie initially simple shit like charity style mass work, neighborhood watch programs and basic health, eventually spanning out into education, law, justice, security etc. Think Hezbollah or Mexican drug cartels, but originating as gangs/organized crime groups, cartels, churches, political organisations and initially "apolitical" survival organisations (Which is actually how the majority of gangs and the historic Italian mafia originated). This is a tendency which every failing or failed state follows or has followed both contemporarily & and historically, and is a process we're seeing in a bunch of places throughout the world today.
>>485492In the short to medium term the primary divide is going to be between hinterlands, or regions in which state power is declining vs cosmoplitan centres. Roughly this translates to rural vs urban, although in reality this split will manifest internally in both. IE, within rural areas when smaller towns become unsustainable a significant number of people will migrate to regional hubs along with the cities, where rural immigrants without any kind of rooting in the community will be seen as outsiders and probably forced into shitty bunkhouse stye fruitpicking, effectively becoming agricultural bonded laborers or "nu serfs". In the cities there will be an internal divide between lumpenized districts, ie new great depression style slums made up of dispossessed city dwellers & rural climate refugees/immigrants. We're likely going to see middle class areas or suburbs walled off similarly to cities in the global south.
In both cases, ie of the "nu serfs" and the urban slum dwellers, the anomisty of the increasingly precarious pety-bourgeoisie will be directed primarily towards them, both on the grounds that "they're stealing our resources" and as as desperate attempt to prevent social mobility/competition which could potentially displace their children. Mainstream politicians will appeal to said pety-bourgeoisie by defunding rural & lumpenized urban schools, social programs, etc, which will be interperted as policies aimed at preserving the middle class by battering down and beating the unwashed underclass hordes.
Eventually as the general crisis intensifies, as our continent aridifies and internal supply chains break down further, we'll see a gradual push to regionalism instead, the basis of which will be competition between states over viable land, dwindling resources, water, etc. I expect that within 10-20 years we're going to see increasingly harsh restrictions on migration to Tasmania (mostly likely disguised with some kind of appeal to preserve the enviroment or similar) culminating in an "iron border" across the tasman strait not dissimilar from the current naval border between us and Indonesia.
I'll do a little write up on that later similar to my last post although an actual concrete analysis is going to take some time.
Excuse the piss poor spelling/grammar btw, I've been absent a proper spellchecker for a couple weeks.
>>485495Australia is quite possibly the least class conscious country in the developed world. The curse of being an American vassal state with an artificial economy.
Thanks Labor
Pru Goward, AFR
“If there is hope, it lies in the proles.” So said one of the 20th century’s greatest philosophers thinly disguised as a novelist, George Orwell, in his spookily prescient work, 1984. I believe my lifelong fascination with the underclass began when I pondered that declaration of independence against a futuristic form of government oppression, which has turned out not to be so futuristic.
As a shopkeeper’s daughter, I understood poor people; they obeyed the law, worked hard, sent their kids to the same primary schools I attended and were equally ambitious for their children. But the underclass, small as it then was, behaved differently.
Like the stoats and weasels of the Wild Wood in The Wind in the Willows, yet another English children’s book on the topic of class, they rejected the rules and lived by their own. They were to be feared and were, to use my mother’s words, not very nice. It took Orwell to turn the noble Marxist proletariat into the proles.
Since the 1950s there has been a remarkable growth in the number of proles. The welfare state is not entirely to blame, as the world of Dickens attests. Government agencies view them with alarm as huge cost centres; they are over-represented in their use of government crisis services and are always the last to give up smoking, get their shots and eat two servings of vegetables a day.
Of course, they are always seen as a deficit. Social workers, traditionally good young men and women who thought it would be nice to be kind for a living, despair of their appalling housework, neglect of their children and, notably, their sharp and unrepentant manner when told to lift their game by the patronising do-gooder.
Oh yes, and they don’t vote often, although, as I found door-knocking, it will be issues such as refugees and threats to the national flag which will get them out the door rather than the budget deficit or how much we spend on public education.
Despite the billions of dollars governments invest in changing the lives of proles, their number increases. Their birth rates far outstrip those of professional couples and they are now a significant potential contributor to our workforce.
Except their children languish in the growing number of behavioural support classes in general high schools where they learn little and teachers itch to send them to the local TAFE to do some form of home-schooling and get them off their books.
Once graduated with a basic studies completion certificate and little else, their prospects are not great. The discipline of work and often its thanklessness, especially at the unskilled end, also have little appeal.
But Orwell was right. The underclass can smell a fake at 50 paces, distrusts conceptual rhetoric and cannot speak a word of Newspeak, the language of lies made famous in Orwell’s 1984. They know what they want and see no reason why they should take notice of some man or woman in a suit when they get in their way.
They were a significant part of the anti-vax protests because they don’t like being told what to do and even though many drew their inspiration from spurious websites, they had correctly identified the freedoms the rest of us had been only too happy to give up. State leaders might have deplored the demonstrations, but they also knew they represented the tip of a sentiment the rest of society keeps hidden from view and only reveals in the privacy of the ballot box. Freedom has gathered pace.
The underclass is not always a happy place to be and bumping into the rest of the world mostly does not go well. People with chronic mental illness, cognitive disabilities and childhoods of trauma are mixed together in a sometimes brutal way, chaos and crisis never far from their door, living in a Wild Wood in their streets and public housing blocks or caravan parks.
And yet, I like them. I like them because they call us out. They are honestly self-interested, and you always know what they think. I know many of them. So many clever, actually very clever, kids and adults, although often damaged and almost entirely lacking discipline, trust in the system, trust in anyone who represents the system.
I am convinced we can do better to harness the force that the people of the underclass represent. We need to make it a focus of social policy, not a by-product of it. We have little choice, or we will continue to import our workforce and in growing numbers, as risk management parenting forces the birth-rate lower.
So long as we keep looking at the billions of dollars they cost us, we will continue to dislike them, reject them and write them off. Yet, in an age when cultural hegemony is now as strong as it was 70 years ago, only different, never have we needed them more to challenge modern meekism. The child who cried “look at the King” in The Emperor’s New Clothes was surely a member of the underclass.
>>485498And a brief response to Guardian Australia when asked about the backlash to this piece:
An article by the former New South Wales Liberal minister Pru Goward which portrayed lower socio-economic Australians as dysfunctional and lazy “proles” has been condemned as disturbing, abusive and inaccurate by anti-poverty advocates.
The opinion piece in the Australian Financial Review by the former NSW families minister argues there is an “underclass” of Australians who are “appalling” housekeepers and neglectful parents and “almost entirely lacking [in] discipline”.
“Government agencies view them with alarm as huge cost centres; they are over-represented in their use of government crisis services and are always the last to give up smoking, get their shots and eat two servings of vegetables a day,” Goward wrote in Wednesday’s AFR.
“The underclass is not always a happy place to be and bumping into the rest of the world mostly does not go well. People with chronic mental illness, cognitive disabilities and childhoods of trauma are mixed together in a sometimes brutal way, chaos and crisis never far from their door, living in a Wild Wood in their streets and public housing blocks or caravan parks.”
A former sex discrimination commissioner who began her career as a journalist, Goward is currently professor of social interventions and policy at the University of Western Sydney and has a fortnightly column in the AFR.
The chief executive of the Australian Council of Social Service, Cassandra Goldie, said everyone at her organisation was “deeply disturbed by the contempt shown for people on low incomes in this piece”.
“It is equally disturbing that it was published by the AFR over and above the wealth of experts on these issues, particularly people living on very low incomes and the extraordinary people across Australia dedicated to ensuring everyone has enough to cover the basics, and live with dignity,” Goldie said.
“This is after all Anti-Poverty Week and numerous experts have sought media coverage on these issues, including from the AFR.
“Today, for example, we have seen a new report showing that more than a million children went hungry last year. Families from all different backgrounds have gone without food over the last 12 months, including ‘professional couples’.”
Kristin O’Connell of the Antipoverty Centre , which represents unemployed Australians living below the poverty line, said there was no excuse for the AFR to have published the Goward article.
“Whether it’s opinion or not, it is abuse against some of the most vulnerable people in the community,” O’Connell said. “Our lives are tough enough as it is, and we don’t need this piled on top.
“There’s only one thing she got right in this article.
“And that is that you should not underestimate the power and capacity of people who are living in deep poverty and, forced to live that way by the government, to be resourceful; to get through and survive in the disgusting circumstances we’re forced into.”
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Goward, the member for Goulburn between 2007 and 2019, wrote that the underclass had a high birthrate and could be “harnessed” as workers to prevent importing our workforce.
“Despite the billions of dollars governments invest in changing the lives of proles, their number increases,” she wrote. “Their birth rates far outstrip those of professional couples and they are now a significant potential contributor to our workforce.”
The NSW Greens MP David Shoebridge said he saw first-hand how Goward, when she was minister for child protection, pushed through laws that made it easier to permanently remove children.
“I saw how those laws have disproportionately impacted on vulnerable families, especially Aboriginal families,” Shoebridge said.
“This is a rare insight into the inner sanctum of the Liberal party and how they see the world divided between those who rule and those who work for them.
“It is a disturbingly honest piece that shows the born-to-rule attitude of the Liberal party.”
Goward told Guardian Australia she was “deeply disappointed” that her column had been “so badly misunderstood”. But, she said, opinion pieces are “meant to provoke and I hope it’s helped the readers of the AFR think differently about those at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder”.
“I have applied a Marxist analysis which some might say is old fashioned but which explains to me why people judge others as unworthy,” she said.
How come there are so many low skill immigrants in Australia, but it's hard to get in? My overseas friends have been trying for years, they are skilled professionals, but each time they have tried they get rejected and it takes forever for the immigration department to respond.
If you don't know how much it costs in government fees, please look at this because it will shock you.
https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/getting-a-visa/fees-and-charges/current-visa-pricing/liveBusiness sponsors are expensive too. There is no way immigrants that live 10 to a room are paying these fees, so how do they do it?
>>485502https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-12/fact-check-analysis-foreign-workers-visas-457/12334900tl;dr most visas are temporary and of permanent visas (which there increasingly are making up fewer issued visas) nearly two thirds are skilled visas, followed by family visas.
You're likely noticing students and other temporary workers - why do you think they are doing the kind of jobs that students do?
>'I can't abide' - Anti-Howard Union song circa. 1998
I can't abide the government's front bench, send them away to the Germans or the French
I can't abide Costello's shallow sneer - won't someone make the bastard disappear?
I can't abide that bloody awful Kemp, bring back the gallows, the hangman and the hemp
Take Peter Reith and dump him in the tide.
Him I particularly can't abide
Poor little John deserves our sympathy, born neath the star of mediocrity
Pat his wee head and send him off to bed, then hide the key lest he abide with me
I can't abide the government's ministry, Senator Vanstone's worse than dysentery
Send her away without the least delay - dont pour the tea lest she abide with me
Sink them the swine, an iceberg would be fine. Far, far away in distant Hudson Bay
As they go down they'll warble while they drown, flat and off-key, they'll be despised by me
I can't abide the government's front bench, send them away to the Germans or the French
Take Peter Reith and dump him in the tide.
Him I particularly can't abide
>>485510>>485509
>Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere 2.0 whats wrong about this anon. this sounds like a absolutely based idea. mayos deserved to be cleansed from east asia like rats :^)
(if you think im being serious im laughing at you)
>>485509>We seem to cause a disproportionate amount of seethoiding in Asia relative to our presence.Those aren't Asians - they are Americans mate. Half of them are Asian-Yanks, the other half are white yanks. The absolute worst seething and moaning about us tends to come from upper/upper middle class yanks.
With exception to a handful of upper class people who speak with strong Yank/British accents, the vast majority of actual Asians don't give a shit & are chill with us to an extent that absolutely doesn't make sense given our govt's hostility & blatant chauvinistic attitude towards Asian states.
>>485514i wouldnt be sure abou that juche anon.
iremember reading about how the chinese internet is worse and filled with more extreme pinkos.
>>485515The entire land back shit is an American phenomona which a handful of upper class dingleberries from other states cling onto. Chinese people are fiercely nationalistic & very reactive to anti chinese sentiments, but for the most part Chinese people have a weirdly positive view towards Australia.
I say this as somebody who is fanatically pro China, most western Dengists know absolutely nothing about the country or it's people. The difference between actual Chinese socialists & western Dengists is very stark.
>>485517Politics, attitudes etc in China is very different to "leftist" politics and attitudes in the west.
Internet Dengism is a world apart from what is actually going on the ground over there to a cartoonish degree. I say that not as an anti-Dengist or CPC type either, but as somebody who again is very much pro CPC. If you want to actually learn about modern China, listening to online Dengists is absolutely the worst thing you can do. The sheer number of American Dengists for instance who repeat the "China has a universal healthcare system" myth (It doesn't, it has a US style private healthcare system) or ridiculous 70's style tropes about the Chinese education system etc is nuts. When they actually sit down and talk to CPC members they end up very demoralized very quickly, although this isn't because what China is doing isn't fucking fantastic but because their understanding of China & the CPC is stuck in a kind of fantasy as if China is still back in it's revolutionary days.
>>485486correct analysis of current conditions, batshit predictions
too bad
>>568790
50% of political commentary on mainstream social media sites are Eglin Airforce Base bots or equivalent. Online discourse on reddit or wherever is not necessarily at all reflective of the reality on the ground. If you understanding of Australia, China, or the relations between said countries comes from said online discourse then you are going to have an extremely distorted understanding of reality.
One of the biggest problems in Australia is that the vast majority of people consume politics news second hand through US state dept approved sources, US bots etc, 2nd 3rd and 4th hand commentary coming from yanks which gets repeated to the yanks & then repeated back to us in a constantly degenerated game of telephone made worse like 2/3 of our media being owned by Rupert Murdoch & the rest by equally insane neoliberal reactionaries. Most Australians understanding of our own country is like a schizo reguritated meme vomited up by Yankee commentators, it all comes from internet land & isn't at all based on things happening on the ground here which is how you shit like Q-Anon Trump rallies in Melbourne waving American & Trump flags next to banners calling for "death to globalism", "neo-nazis" cheering on "based" Mossad agents & Anti-vaxxers attacking the only major union in the country which is opposed to the vaccine mandates because they had on /pol/ that CFMEU = Labor and labor = Democrats and democrats = Vaccine mandates.
Our politics are so completely different to anything which is going on in the US that any attempt to impose US conditions can only result in an incomprehensibly spastic mess, at the point the minority of Australians with any real political inclination ("left" or "right") are mostly Q-Anon tier detached from reality - although it needs to be said, most Australia are absolutely not politically inclined. We are a country abscent development of any real nation, a community in the absolutely most bare & vulgar sense of the world, of superatomized individuals so thoroughly grillpilled that any mention of "politics" of any kind will either result in them being sent into a rage or shutting off their brains entirely in the best case scenario.
The Avg Australian doesn't even know what China actually is beyond a vague idea of some kind of country in Asia where some bad guys are. They might at most be aware that of the existance of a handful of countries in the region, but probably a good half of the country wouldn't protest if you insisted that Japan was a part of China or insisted that China still had an emperor or something.
As another anon said the reason our US state department controlled media & eglin airforce base bots have been pushing China = Bad narrative is precisely because China and Australia are very deeply tied to each on the economic level, and if you count Half-Chinese people & perma residents then ethnically Chinese people are something like 1/20th of our population.
>>485525>The Avg Australian doesn't even know what China actually is beyond a vague idea of some kind of country in Asia where some bad guys are. They might at most be aware that of the existence of a handful of countries in the region, but probably a good half of the country wouldn't protest if you insisted that Japan was a part of China or insisted that China still had an emperor or something. I think this is why the news gets away with acting like China is some sort of basically feudal society where the cultural revolution and they still believe in Confucius and filial piety or whatever.
I remember an ABC report from a few weeks ago where they were talking about how ordering food and paying QR codes is a 'revolutionary' 'new' idea, literally asleep to the fact that even fucking turkey has had QR codes in McDonalds for like a decade now.
>>485509I won't lie, Australian history is fucked, but christ this sounds like the biggest amount of
seething I've seen from a reddit post.
Also, sauce on the Japanese wanting to outright sterilising/ exterminate us?
>>485533which one? i quite enjoyed the pyretic state my mind was in after getting 2nd pfizer, had a bit of a recreational feel
might see if i can get moderna
>>485533Idgaf
I took Astra specifically to fucking die and I'm still standing.
When I kick the bucket, you can take all my (you)s.
>>485551god damn snaggletoothed
sheep roo fuckers
>>485549Harry knows shit we don't know. He distanced himself from Prince Andrew long before his Epstein trips came out.
>>485553Will they run in the federal election coming up? Will ANY Communists?
>>577280What's leftypol's take on Adam Bandt? He was a Communist when he was younger, does he hide his views now?
>>485556Bandt is an interesting character to say the least, probably the only figure in parliament that the red-bating of corporate media has any basis. Once a trot in the Left Alliance, once an industrial dispute lawyer, once wrote a PhD thesis on Marxist Legal theory.
However, I don't think Bandt is an anti-capitalist (at least, not anymore). Obviously his rhetoric against billionaires and lobbying is a breath of fresh air compared to those of the other parties, but he is firmly on a social-democratic path. And judging by his silence on the new Submarine deal and the falling in line against Zhao Lijian's tweet, it seems like he will be a Bernie figure in more ways than just one.
https://www.cpaml.org/post2.php?id=1589607258&catid1=13,16,19
>We are talking builders labourers here, workers in one of the toughest, most dangerous and historically most violent industries in Australia. The source of most of that violence was the clique of developers who variously sought to bribe, intimidate and physically coerce construction workers and their leaders. The BLF in NSW, and elsewhere, was for many years run by gangsters who worked with employers against their members. Communist members of the union fought to rid the BLF of these thugs. On both sides of what later became a split in Communist ranks, were men who’d wrested control of the union from those violent gangsters in the 1950s.>Violence and threats occurred after a split in the ranks of Communists in the building industry, but it was not one-sided. Joe Ferguson’s home was a boat he’d built at the quiet southern suburb of Como, when it was bombed and badly damaged. He ended his days living in public housing in Malabar. >An organiser for another union was shot in the stomach at a Sydney pub, mistaken for a BLF organiser. He died of his wounds after terrible suffering, but too long afterwards for his attacker, who had been drinking with Mundey supporters immediately before the shooting, to be charged with murder. >Mundey himself tracked this writer’s then partner, a former BLF media official, to the back alley exit of his office, and threatened to have him killed for acting as returning officer in a union election. >>485561Literally how do the SDA still survive and why do they still get a seat at the table in so many places?
Like fuck, I've seen a shoving contest between an UWU member and SDA member that nearly escalated to a brawl because other unions started chiming in.
>>485567>Sankara or the panthers would be a good place to start methinks.Yeah, I was thinking that. Lots of resources, plus the BPs have accessible stuff (as in written in plain English, short, pictures, very good for potential translations).
I was also thinking MLK and MX just because they're always brought up eventually, but really drawing attention to their anti-capitalist/imperialist points.
>>485569>Probably good to focus on the community building stuff of the BP'sYeah, that's the hope.
>why are you doing this anyway?Basically the tl;dr is to begin hopefully a process of just informing the locals of alternative ideas and views and perhaps helping those who want to "Learn More" and encourage them to idk form their own group.
Which is a really softcock way of me saying the exploitation and pain I see in my local aboriginal community is bringing me to tears.
But I'm such a soft cunt that I'm frightened to take more radical action because it's a small place and I've only just got a job that lets me pay rent and save.
>>485571>Watch your dad randomly murder a little boy like it was his civic duty and a mild chore.No wonder yall are
SICK cunts.
>>485580Personally I'm more of a fan of OAK.
>>485582If there is at least one thing I'm somewhat optimistic about is that the libs have been ousted for the clowns they are, and their future prospects are pretty fucked.
I wonder how the UAP will go in the next election >>485494>The future will probably be a fragmentation of Australia into many, essentially warlord states.>IE, within rural areas when smaller towns become unsustainable a significant number of people will migrate to regional hubs along with the cities, where rural immigrants without any kind of rooting in the community will be seen as outsiders and probably forced into shitty bunkhouse stye fruitpicking, effectively becoming agricultural bonded laborers or "nu serfs". In the cities there will be an internal divide between lumpenized districts, ie new great depression style slums made up of dispossessed city dwellers & rural climate refugees/immigrants. We're likely going to see middle class areas or suburbs walled off similarly to cities in the global south.It's simple, god wants you to be a Maoist.
>>485495A structure can only be superseded once it's contradictions rise to a new type of society
>>485608Well mate, let's be real, Kevin's a Sinophile and he got ousted in a CIA backed coup. I'm not exactly going out of my way to start praising them man, but it seems a bit out of character that he's shit-talking Xi when he's been on television telling people not to succumb to "yellow peril".
It comes off to me as a move for him to get back into the game.
>>485577ozzie hearts grew three sizes, like the grinch
they were/are still pitifully small, don't get me wrong, but big enough to stop murdering people of a different color like they were cockroaches and not human beings
>>485615wtf
>>600444wasted trips on a dumb blog
>>485615The level of mental illness these people operate on but have somehow infested these positions of privilege is frankly astounding.
The level of mental illness you would need to be operating on to find this funny is also astounding.
>>485626Haz (infrared) is completely right about exactly one thing totally.
The first party to or organisation to propose a TRUE modern land reform (both rural+Suburban+Urban) and actually gets its message to the broad masses WILL BECOME the lightning rod of the real movement.
>1. Nationalise these fucking cash-crop national megadonors and implement a Jamahiriya or NEP style land-reform (Bust it up into plots that can be run by ACTUAL FAMILY FARMERS and kit them out with all the shit they need (Yeah obviously nationalisation or collectivisation would be the inevitable goal - But i think we need to be somewhat practical in the short term)
>2. Break the spines of landoids (metaphorically), no more negative gearing no more investment properties all houses are given to some sort of commission that will handle the gifting of the deeds / titles to tenants and / or people needing a home.
>3. Some sort of fusion system for apartment blocks. recognise each apartment as its own deed / title. Council tradies can fix the exterior of the building and handle basic safety and maintenance shit, Tenants have to pay the cost for shit that gets fucked up inside the apartment, The building is like a street, The door is the street-number and the apartment itself is the tenants personal property. Same redistribution methods as step 2, Priority to existing tenants, then homeless then by application. https://www.smh.com.au/national/after-the-royals-went-green-in-glasgow-matt-canavan-is-coming-around-to-republicanism-20211119-p59afv.html>Matt Canavan is a National Party senator from Queensland and such an outspoken voice for conservatism in Australia, he is even frequently at odds with the Morrison government.
>Fitz: Who’s your political hero?
>MC: Winston Churchill because he so effectively stood up for what he believes in and also his malleability: I suppose he was in every party basically for 50 years and was successful in them all.
>Fitz: Okay, but when you vaunt Churchill’s malleability that makes it sound like you’re not totally wedded for the next 30 years to the Nats?
>MC: I think I’ve used up my metamorphoses in that regard. I was a communist at uni, then I joined the Liberals, and then when I went to work for Barnaby Joyce, I got to know the National Party and really liked their outlook.
>Fitz: I know I speak on behalf of everyone when I say, “You were a COMMUNIST at Uni!?”
>MC: Yes. I’d read The Communist Manifesto, and thought this is the right way to go, “from each according to his ability, to each according to their needs”, etc. And then, early at uni I got into an argument with the people at Socialist Worker on their headline for the day – “John Howard’s a racist”. Even though I didn’t like him, I thought that was silly and these guys are idiots. So I didn’t join up and went on to develop my political ideas in a different direction.And this lads is why you should experience some real work and the real world or you'll end up like this faggy overcompensating liberal intellectual
>>485627>and kit them out with all the shit they needNota bene; Tractor and equipment sharing is essential here
You can get down into the details and weeds all you want but in reality kruschev's cancellation of tractor sharing replacing it w/ each individual agricultural enterprise having its own equipment was the beginning of the end of the Soviet Union
All else is aesthetic preference
polite sage for double posting >>485631>>485631But in the USSR by the time cornholio came to power wasn’t all the agricultural lands already collectivised and / or nationalised?
How does each farm having its own tractors and shit instead of going to a big depot and taking them out on loan or whatever they had to do really matter if they were all either employees of the state or Kolkhozites anyway?
It sounds like a pretty arbitrary administrative change.
>>485633Sorry lad just Irished up my coffee w/ a dram of scotch so non compos menti and can't give you the direct argument in my own words th
The socialist commodity production section of Stalin's economic problems summarises the issue iirc hang on lemme see if I can find it for you
>>485634>>485633Ah here we go the first directly relevant passage is a little further a long
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1951/economic-problems/ch05.htm>Take, for instance, the distinction between agriculture and industry. In our country it consists not only in the fact that the conditions of labour in agriculture differ from those in industry, but, mainly and chiefly, in the fact that whereas in industry we have public ownership of the means of production and of the product of industry, in agriculture we have not public, but group, collective-farm ownership. It has already been said that this fact leads to the preservation of commodity circulation, and that only when this distinction between industry and agriculture disappears, can commodity production with all its attendant consequences also disappear. It therefore cannot be denied that the disappearance of this essential distinction between agriculture and industry must be a matter of paramount importance for us.I think the specific passage outlying the reason is in one of Stalin's responses to a letter sent enquiring about this and socialist commodity exchange between the urban and rural
Bbiab
>>485635>>485634>>485633Ah here we go
>A commodity is a product which may be sold to any purchaser, and when its owner sells it, he loses ownership of it and the purchaser becomes the owner of the commodity, which he may resell, pledge or allow to rot. Do means of production come within this category? They obviously do not. In the first place, means of production are not "sold" to any purchaser, they are not "sold" even to collective farms; they are only allocated by the state to its enterprises. In the second place, when transferring means of production to any enterprise, their owner - the state - does not at all lose the ownership of them; on the contrary, it retains it fully. In the third place, directors of enterprises who receive means of production from the Soviet state, far from becoming their owners, are deemed to be the agents of the state in the utilization of the means of production in accordance with the plans established by the state.Emphasis mine
There's a further passage that goes into more detail about how the equipment sharing system is what allows the urban industrial population to be fed by the rural agricultural population without exploiting and leaning on them
as Trotsky proposed the soviet economy should do either here in the economic problems or the short course lemme see if I can find it
>>485640>>485641I do too, but to be clear I was wondering if it was any different in his country of origin than in the rest of the west. Looks like no.
Terrible stuff here, I hope he gets out or successfully kills himself if that's what he wants.
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/11/17/files-australian-julian-assange-prison/ >>485659It is only going to get worse mate. There was a time I was absolutely convinced that at the bare minimum, the inevitable asskicking we're going to receive from poking Beijing too hard will lead some kind of shake up & mass rise in consciousness. I'm calling it now though, the response to said asskicking will be a far more retarded/schizo "November criminals" tier cope which leads to successively more deranged national prostitutes/CIA puppets solidfying power, likely a Q-anon tier national cult fostered by US/Israeli intelligence accelerating the decline into a crazy mix of cyberpunk techno-feudalism and Mad Max scrapworld chaotic climate change warlord hell.
And all the while, we will continually be blamed for the frankstein fucking mass human mindscrambling neolib lab rat experiment that the Yanks have forced onto us.
>>485668Basically this yeah, except when our fuel reserves run out (Only around a month's worth of petrol, no strategic fuel reserves lmao) because Chinese submarine convoy raiding has rendered any kind of sea transport basically impossible, the power stations will go off, water will stop being pumped up to our taps, JIT logistics systems will fail and there will be no food delivered to the supermarkets, no supplies to the hospitals, and even if the government enacts total fuel requisition/rationing, even the military will run out of petrol within a couple months rendering any kind of transportation between towns impossible.
End result of no power/water, agricultural failures (Farmers can't do shit with no fuel, pesticides, fertilizers, etc) and total supplychain break will optimisitcally be 1/3 of our country dying off, but perhaps more realistically like half. Survivors will band together after the war and, their minds unable to wrap themselves around the concept that the eternally exceptional west was defeated by the Nasi Goreng dynasty bug people will convince themselves that it was a massive conspiracy of said Watermelon judeo-bolshevik union thug communist deep state democrat un greenies.
This is of course assuming we aren't totally BFTO'd within a month, which is the most likely case scenario. It's probably reasonable to expect that any rational power would surrender long before then, but "our" leadership are hardly rational.
>>485669>their minds unable to wrap themselves around the concept that the eternally exceptional west was defeated by the Nasi Goreng dynasty bug people will convince themselves that it was a massive conspiracy of said Watermelon judeo-bolshevik union thug communist deep state democrat un greenies.
<"your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others" - Joseph conrad.Except in this case the 'weakness' of the enemy is an utter delusion drilled into us by CIA/Mossad/ASIO MK-Ultra style mind-games.
The majority of my relatives (all basically either delusional LNP vooting proles, Or petite bougies who own restaurants in Sydney or a farm training race horses or some shit) UNIRONICALLY believe that when we declare war on china for 'Reparations for covid' / 'defend taiwan' / whatever the fuck sky is telling them today, That we are just going to literally blitzkrieg our way right back through taiwan and then on to Nanjing and Beijing and then eventually to Xinjiang to 'free the Uighurs'
Their reasoning?
<"PPPPPPPFT Anon, It's written on their guns, 'made in china', Half of them probably wont even fucking fire when they try to shoot them"I've also come to realise in recent weeks that the majority of country seemingly thinks that history in East and SEA just stopped in 1950.
The Majority of us seem to think that everywhere in China and SEA are just verdant untamed tropical paradises with farmers wearing those conehats walking around tending to their rice.
>>485684im afraid that wont be a acceptable excuse
im afraid to say anon but to declare you…….
>>485679Technically yeah. The rule probably isn't going to be enforced unless you're posting on big social media, under your own name or are otherwise actually getting to people/affecting shit. Either figure out how to speak ambiguously when posting under a consistant identity or post anonoymously with a VPN on image boards & you'll be okay. It's not that they can't track you down, but that it'll be a huge waste of resources to after every anonymous nobody on a backwater website beyond occasional "examples" (similar with internet piracy).
tl;dr Don't be an attention whore with a non anomymous identity like me & newspeakmax m8.
>>485680Murdoch and Costello basically either own or puppet own every single website, News-Agency, Newspaper and TV station in their country.
Literally just getting out of bed and going to work there is basically
>Wake up>Turn on your radio.>It's basically Sky-News in audio only format.>Walk to work, Pick up a paper on the way.>Solomon Islands equivalent of The Australian.>Get home.>Probably either literally sky news or some local analog on the TV.<You have to listen to this every day for 60+ years of your life.<You are trapped forever.No wonder they turned into the crazed villagers from Resident-Evil 5 waving Israeli and 'Trump won' flags while killing Chinese people who they think released the Wuhan bioweapon that has destroyed the world.
But as AusJuche pointed out a couple of posts back.
All it's going to take is a lose to China and America fearing that we may finally see through this fucking nationwide charade they've inflicted on us and they are going to shift the MK-Ultra operations into a whole other level.
We wont even have the fake sense of freedom from getting to choose between Murdoch and Costello and / or a Public broadcaster funded by the same Seppo occupied government it claims to criticize
Every. Single. Channel. Will. Be. Sky.
All of them constantly spewing full tilt reaction, Anti-China xenophobia and conspiracy theories meant to confuse and fluster us all.
They wont even need to pass a 'communist ban amendment' they'll basically just make it socially impossible to hold the positions they dont like.
Trying to tell your family members that 'Yeah no we shouldn't be giving the American military full oversight of our armed forces and liaisons in our government'
<"WAIT ANON! ARE YOU SAYING YOU DONT BELIEVE THAT THE GREENIE WATERMELEON DEEP STATERS BETRAYED OUR NATION TO THE CHINESE DURING THE PACIFIC WAR!!!??? HOW ELSE DID WE LOSE THEN?? THEIR ARMY WAS BETTER??? SHUT THE FUCK UP FAGGOT CUNT!!!" >>485699Lumpens are a beloved part of Australian culture.
Even actual proles here love to fetishize and act up the 'pov' aspect of Australian life
<Everyone filming from their car as a women with poorly dyed bright red hair pushing an empty baby-stroller roams the mall asking random people for a smoke and / or 5$ (Often not even bothering to lie that she's just using the money to buy more smoke's)<Buying yourself the 3 cinnamon donuts + thick shake deal from the donut shop mall Kiosk and a meth head spying you through the exit doors and when you try and tell him you've got no money.>"NONONOLISTENBROTHERISAWYOUINTHEREWITHTHEDONUTPLACEYOUHAVECASHBROTHERPLEASEIKNOWITJUSTPLEASE!"<Shoeless lumpen running full tilt through coles around 9PM at night grabbing shit off the shelves, If you make eye contact with them for 0.01 seconds>"WHAT. THE. FUCK. AREYOULOOKINGATCCUNT!?"Lumpen in Australian culture are like Lepers in Medieval european.
It's considered virtuous and almost pious to assist them in their trials.
>>485700Thats kind of nice anon. I am from the UK and from outside we dont really see aus inner city lumpens, we dont even think of the country of having endz like we do.
We have the glorification and bigging up here, its mostly cringe but also is far better than being pretender we dont exist, socially erased for all purposes.
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