No.493760[Last 50 Posts]
Is there a proxy conflict coming?
US will act ‘decisively’ if Russia deploys military to Cuba or Venezuela – White House
https://www.rt.com/russia/546021-moscow-presence-cuba-venezuela/Are NATO and Russia on the brink of war over the Ukraine crisis? (Ex-UK ambassador to Russia)
https://www.rt.com/podcast/546013-russia-nato-ukraine-crisis/US claims Russia preparing ‘false flag’ in Ukraine
https://www.rt.com/russia/546091-us-false-flag-ukraine/Russia ‘fabricating a pretext for invasion’ of Ukraine – White House
https://www.rt.com/russia/546049-kremlin-fabricating-reason-ukraine-invasion/Is Russia really preparing an offensive against Ukraine?
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/546082-russian-military-exercise-ukrainian-border/CIA-trained special ops could fight Russians in case of Ukrainian invasion – report
https://www.rt.com/russia/546041-cia-special-troops-ukraine-invasion/Ukraine hit by huge cyber attack
https://www.rt.com/russia/546026-ukrainian-government-agencies-massive-cyberattack/Russia-NATO relations at critical level, Moscow warns
https://www.rt.com/russia/545911-moscow-nato-relations-hazards/US to train ‘Ukrainian insurgents’ in EU – media
https://www.rt.com/russia/546143-us-train-ukraine-insurgents-reports/US seeking ways to profit should Russia-Ukraine conflict break out – reports
https://www.rt.com/business/546138-us-lng-russia-europe-sanctions/Also: requesting that tweet where Lukashenko says that this year they reunite Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, etc.
No.493761
>>493760>Is there a proxy conflict coming?Most likely nothing will happen, the US is fabricating political drama to stall the new gas pipeline from Russia to Germany on behalf of US gas companies shipping gas to the EU. I speculate that once the winter is over and the seasonal gas demand drops off all of this will go away.
No.493762
>>493760I admire your diversity of sources!
No.493763
>Is there a proxy conflict coming?
Bruh there's been a proxy conflict ongoing since 2014.
No.493765
>>493762Like more than half of these sources cite US politicians, state dept., and diplomats.
No.493767
>>493765>>493766Liberalism is when you don't read the articles, whichi is to say, illiteracy regurgitating your preconceptions.
No.493768
>>493761So you think Germany will just continue to stall the commissioning of Nord Stream II? Even though this would mean pissing Russia off, getting into legal conflicts and burying hundreds of millions of Euros? For how long do you think? They just gonna let a mega project rot because "energy prices will stabilize in spring"?
This is very optimistic especially since you think "nothing is gonna happen" as if the US ever just accepted the realignment of one of its core allies just like that.
No.493769
>>493767I don’t read newspapers catering to private interests whether they be Ruski, Burger, Anglo, or any other fag porky source
>Oh no read muh Russian porky articles!Bet you wouldn’t say that about CNN, bitch
No.493770
>>493769If anything RT's editorial line represents the interests of Russian state-owned companies most of the times, which make up almost half of the Russian economy, and not the one of Russian capitalists. It's a state-owned media too.
>Bet you wouldn’t say that about CNN, bitchI mean you specifically went to this thread to complain about RT, if it was all CNN and BBC you wouldn't have posted anything. So shut the fuck up, cope, dilate, etc.
No.493771
Inb4
>rt.com is fascist
Far leftists who have/had shows/articles on rt:
>Chris Hedges (fascist)
>Slavoj Zizek (fascist)
>Noam Chomsky (fascist)
>George Galloway (fascist)
>Caleb Maupin (fascist)
>Julien Assange (fascist)
>Afshin Rattansi (fascist)
>Abby Martin (fascist)
>several PSL (Party for Socialism and Liberation) members on sputnik.com (fascist)
>etc. (fascist)
YEAH, DUDE, I'M TOTALLY NOT A LIBERAL!
No.493772
>>493770>If it was about CNN or BBC…This thread wouldn’t even exist, since they only porky propaganda you simp for comes from Russia
No.493774
>>493771AnPrim anon has been one of the most cancerous users on this board recently. Imagine having a thread about a potential war against Russia (!) and focus on complaining about fucking RT, a media company with no real power that hosts a diversity of dissident contributors.
No.493775
>>493772>neither Moscow nor Washington!You equidistant faggot will always be a useless obstructionist.
No.493776
>>493774I'm reporting your post rn and giving the reason "(fascist)," Sir!
No.493777
>>493775>Neither (porky state or other porky state)Yes
>>493774Yea man, there’s definitely going to be a war between two nuclear armed states in the near future
No.493780
>>493774>AnPrim anon has been one of the most cancerous users on this board recentlyFor some reason i have a feeling that this is just leftcom flagfag who changed his flag.
No.493782
>>493777>American monopoly imperialist capitalists <present in my life every day <want me to die in a trench in Donbass<have their boot on the neck of half the world >Russian capitalists <want to sell me cheap subsidized gas<want sanctions to be lifted <are not present in my life at all >NO YOU MUST EQUALLY ATTACK BOTH HOWEVER I'M ONLY SHOWING UP IN THREADS CRITIQUING THE LATTER WHERE I FLAG UP Idiot.
>Yea man, there’s definitely going to be a war between two nuclear armed states in the near future<threat about the very real danger in an already ongoing proxy conflict <an event that could probably cause a massive loss of life and huge immiseration for the working people of Europe >HAHA YOU SCHIZO THINK THERE WILL BE A NUCLEAR WAR Listen, faggot. There is
ZERO REASON why you would post this maximalist strawmanning ("there might be an escalation = literal end of the world) other than to divert attention, derail this thread, and complain about fucking RT which you do because you got triggered by an e-celeb. Go away.
No.493783
>>493771Chris Hedges
>Anti-Soviet/anti-ChinaSlavoj Zizek
>Anti-China obscurantist that supported carving up YugoslaviaCaleb Maupin
>Some weird nationalist christoid that thinks abortion is le bad and is constantly shitting up his YT and Twitter about le malthusians, i.e. people that support rational planning and ecological preservation over Eternal AmerishartismNoam Chomsky
>Anti-Soviet literal lib that simps for the DNC and urged everyone to vote Hillary or JoeTwo people I never heard of
Abby Martin
>Actually cool>>493780>Everyone that criticizes our dog shit vulgar lines that leads to picking sides between imperialist porky states must surely be the same person, actually!<How can it be possible for more than one person to call me a moron?One of the most pathetic and honestly schizo qualities of the anons here, alongside thinking anyone that goes against the circlejerk is CIA
I used to have pretty confrontational arguments with the leftcom poster before he got banned or left or whatever
Thought he was a racist cunt
No.493784
>>493781The German Empire was an imperialist country, the Russian Federation is not. Revolutionary defeatism is precluded when there is not objective equidistance between two regimes.
No.493785
>>493782>Russian capitalists <want to sell me cheap subsidized gas<want sanctions to be lifted Russian capitalists want to do the exact same shit to you that American capitalists do. They are structurally incapable of wanting to do anything else.
No.493786
>>493783I love the factt that you had to leave like 50% of contributors off yor list, lib.
No.493787
Fuck both US imperialists and Russian imperialists. I can't stand either of them.
No.493788
>>493782Also genuinely how is this
>Russian porky doesn’t bother me personally!Literally any different than Eastern Europeans siding with NATO because
<US porky doesn’t bother me personally!?
No.493789
>>493786You mean the two I don’t know about?
Sorry, was I supposed to read through the PSL writing team I don’t give a fuck about?
Know what newspapers I like reading? WSWS and the one written by International Marxist Tendency tbh
No.493792
>>493784>The German Empire was an imperialist country, the Russian Federation is not. That's debatable, just look at how they uphold comprador regimes like Kazakhstan. Even if that were true, Russia is at the very least powerful enough to rapidly develop into an imperialist power if a vacuum is formed by a US widthdrawal. It very clearly dominates is regional neighbours, and would have no reason not to pursue an imperialist path of development if the opportunity arose. The development of capitalist countries towards imperialism is inevitable.
No.493793
>>493785>someone wanting to do something is the same as doing it Yes, I am sure the only capitalist existing in Swaziland if there is one except the king also wants to be an imperialist overlord. So?
>They are structurally incapable of wanting to do anything else.<dude, capitalists are like a computer program Lazy, anti-intellectual sloganeering.
No.493794
>>493789>>493777>>493769Have you ever thought that maybe you should read all the articles?
No.493797
>>493794No thanks, been following the story on Weird Sex Website
No.493798
>>493784The Russian Federation has been openly imperialist in places like Kazakhstan and Syria.
No.493800
>>493791Imperialist-enjoyer labor aristocrat located.
No.493801
>>493797So anything that confirms your subjectivity. Ok Liberal.
No.493802
>>493793<dude, capitalists are like a computer program Read Marx, or Lenin, or literally any Marxist analysis of capitalism ever. The very nature of capitalism is such that all capitalists must continuously accumulate capital and profits. They are literally incapable of doing anything else, since those that fail to do so will be crushed by those that do. Russian capitalists are driven by these forces just as American capitalists are.
No.493803
>>493787>imperialists is when soldiers or when you wear a uniform >>493788We were talking about the issue of (proxy)-war. Do Russian capitalists want war? If yes, what is your source?
>inb4 it's the CIA communique to CNN>>493791>imperialism is when you have soldiers or/and wear uniforms >>493792I'm on my fucking phone so I won't debate this in detail. To make it short, imperialism is a historical stage of capitalism where one key aspect is that the export of capital and extortionate money-lending becomes dominant over the export of commodities. Russia primarily is a fossil fuel (commodity) exporter. The Russian financial sector makes up very little of the overall economy. Russia being some sort of regional hegemon does not make her imperialist.
No.493805
>>493796I love how you had to move the goalposts 3 times ITT to arrive at this "point" of yours.
No.493807
>>493760Bankers and politicians versus dictators and oligarchs.
No.493808
>>493768>So you think Germany will just continue to stall the commissioning of Nord Stream II?I don't know enough about German internal politics to predict for how long the anti Nordstream2 factions can hold out. If there is a severe drop in temperature they will definitely be swept away, but if it's a mild winter, i don't know.
>This is very optimistic especially since you think "nothing is gonna happen" as if the US ever just accepted the realignment of one of its core allies just like that.To make Germany not depend on Russian energy now, you have to go back in time 20 years and build a different energy sector. Starting a war in the Ukraine doesn't magic into existence a new German energy infrastructure. Lets not forget that Russia will likely win, they spend the last 10 years preparing for this conflict while the US was playing hide and drone with the Taliban.
No.493810
>>493796Literally fearmongering about the hypothetical slaughter of communists in a country in which boomer nostalgia about the Brezhnev era is the dominant ideology leading to a literal communist-aligned pensioner party who felt their life's work taken away from them. Meanwhile, we know what the Jakarta method looks like.
>slaughter communists in a millisecond Except you'd be the last one to be slaughtered, you are literally an American anarchist telling me that a war in the immediate neighbourhood of my country isn't such a big deal and demanding peace is "simping for Russia".
No.493811
>>493802Yeah, except the nuke threat from the USA on Russia. That has NOTHING to do with Marx or contemporary Russia, let alone 21st century imperialism, you whore.
No.493812
>>493809Imperialism is a system, it isn't an event.
No.493813
>>493810Mate
Let me ask you this
After the past 8 years, do you really, truly believe that NATO and Russia are about to go to war?
After 8 years of them claiming these blocs will
every single year is that somehow still a distinct possibility in your mind?
A better question is, were that a real possibility, why do you think NATO would continue to exist? Why would every European country choose to remain in NATO? You think every country in Europe is willing to fight a war with Russia ostensibly on America’s behalf?
No.493814
>>493802The reason I called your "analysis" lazy and sloganeering is because you don't even try to arrive at a point where we can come to a conclusion what the Russian bourgeoisie wants. Basically, if I were to follow your totality, a Pakistani owner of a corner shop is the same as the fucking Kock brothers because both are driven by the accumulation of capital. This isn't materialism.
No.493815
ITT: Agent Kochinskiite anglos
No.493816
>>493812Critical support for Russian imperialist system.
No.493817
>>493813They did back in the early 20th century, there is no reason to believe this will not happen.
No.493818
>>493814Literally nobody thinks Russia wants war and literally everyone here thinks NATO are the provocateurs
People are just reacting to the constant shilling of the Russian government itself; you can oppose Ukraine joining NATO, a war between Russia and Ukraine or Russia and NATO, and America’s general fuckery in the region without also supporting the Russian government and it’s hilarious that this fact makes you seethe so hard
Funny enough WSWS probably has the most honest response which is obviously only the working class of each country can fully dismantle the threat of war, since America’s leadership will never not be belligerent
No.493819
>>493813Actual foreign policy experts warn about escalation that could get out of control.
No.493820
>be anglo (Canada, UK, USA, etc.)
>call everyone opposed to your wealth $$$ fascist
<totally leftist, guys
No.493821
>>493813Yes, I believe the danger of another war is the greatest danger of our times that communists have to firmly stand against. Ukraine already has an ongoing "frozen conflict" while the political system of post-Maidan Ukraine has an increasing amount of fascist influence.
>A better question is, were that a real possibility, why do you think NATO would continue to existWhy do you think NATO would continue to exist, let alone expand, after the fall of the Soviet Union? Curious.
>You think every country in Europe is willing to fight a war with Russia ostensibly on America’s behalf?What ever gave you the impression that European countries are rational actors? Geopolitical realism is outdated my friend.
>>493816>Look mom, I showed him. No.493823
>>493817Hmmmm
And what was a specific military technology that exists in 2022 that did not exist from 1914 to 1945 I wonder 🤔
Nah, probably nothing, since the world wars happened nearly a century ago, obviously all of Europe is willing to risk a war with a country that has a larger military than all of them combined and can nuke them into the Stone Age all so America can benefit and no one else
No.493824
>>493823You don't think the U.S. won't use nuclear weapons? They did it on Japan, they will use it on others. Don't be so naive.
No.493825
Russophobia is the one acceptable racism among liberals. Throw in a few "russian porkies" and you're golden on leftypol, too.
No.493826
>>493821You’re dancing around the topic
This isn’t about whether NATO is an actual “protective alliance”, obviously it isn’t
It’s a question regarding whether all of Western Europe will fall on their swords in a suicidal war with Russia to benefit the US
No.493827
>>493821>Yes, I believe the danger of another war is the greatest danger of our times that communists have to firmly stand againstAs communist we are firmly antiwar. But it is also true that war may provide opportunities for revolution like it did in Imperial Russia, especially if a big draft is coming.
If it comes aerly enough and would be bad enough we actually stand a chance to implement revolution before the time will run out on climate change.
No.493828
>>493826No, this is about you screaming "MUH WORKERZ" without having any regard to global context, which is characteristic of those who have a petty-bourgeois understanding of scientific socialism.
No.493829
>>493824>You think the US won’t use nuclear weapons?I believe the various porky factions aren’t suddenly more suicidal than they were during the Cold War
Did you forget that most of the major parties involved have nuclear weapons and can all destroy each other? Which wasn’t a threat in either World War
WWI
>Nobody is even necessarily threatened with having their government destroyedWWII
>One side has a chance of decisive victory and destroying the governments of the other sideWWIII
>Every side has a chance of their governments being destroyed simultaneously with no actual victor No.493831
>>493828>Without any regard for global politicsI won’t play geopolitical realpolitik with you friend
I’m not a neocon, simple as
I’m laughing at the fact that you’re so caught up in, whatever it is you’re thinking, that you genuinely believe every existing Eurasian government and the US is willing to commit murder-suicide to the benefit of seemingly no one
No.493832
>>493818Literally nobody even talked about the Russian government or Russian politics before you made it completely awkward to sperg out that people would post Russian media (cardinal sin!). Again, if it was CNN you would have not entered this thread.
>>493826Again, you are IMPLYING that people here are some schizos who think this will be some end-of-the-world apocalyptic event where Paris and London will be nuked. This is what is called a strawman, designed to make your opponent look insane
>are you seriously talking about going to war war with Iraq? Nah dude, nothing is gonna happen, this shit happens every year, it's a nothing burger. Besides, if they kill Saddam Hussein they will lose their famous bogeyman they can use to justify their inflated military budget. No.493833
>>493831I don't think you know what it means to be a neocon.
No.493834
Putin is retarded and his country poor and weak. He's acting out of desperation.
No.493835
>>493832Then what’s actually the threat here that you’re whining about? That Ukraine gets invaded and doesn’t join NATO? Whoop-dee-do, fuck em
>If this was CNNThe thread wouldn’t exist lmao
No.493837
>>493836Yes its the CIA agents controlling Russian military that are to blame here.
No.493839
>>493837You know, sometimes I feel like this new obsession with the CIA is really Maoist/Trotskyite cope for being exposed to being pawns for it.
No.493840
>>493839Add onto that any flavor of anarchist.
No.493841
>>493837Do you think a country has the obligation to not move around their military *checks notes* within their own fucking borders if it upsets American warmongers?
No.493842
>>493841Russia good boy didn do nuffin. I'm sick of this apologization of this capitalist state. They are free to fuck off from Ukraine and stop this mindless conflict.
No.493843
>>493803>Russia primarily is a fossil fuel (commodity) exporterSo was the USA for the longest time (even net exporter in 2010s). Up until the 70s the Texas Railroad Commission was the one setting global oil prices similar to what OPEC does today
Didnt stop USA from being imperialist
By that definition countries like Belgium in 19th century were also not imperialist - and what about Russian investments in Syria, Central Africa and Central Asia? Even in USA finance is not majority of GDP
>>493814Better comparison is if south asian billionaires behave like the Koch brothers, and they do
>>493810The KRPF isnt the Russian government, and were recently cheated out of seats in Duma elections
France and Japan also have communist parties, do you also consider them non or anti-imperialist?
No.493844
>>493842You know the earth is finite so even if all nations are capitalist, there are still some that are larger than others and have more power to bully. Quit thinking with a one track mind.
No.493845
Why is everyone here talking about a war that will not happen?
Russia and the Us cannot risk global annihilation over fucking Donbass and Georgia (not even the whole of it considering there are two breakaway regions).
MOST that I could see happen is Russian support for Us enemies aroumd the world in a proxy fashion, but no more than that.
No.493846
>>493842Famous Ukrainian territory such as Rostov-on-Don and Maykop.
No.493847
>>493845>Russia and the Us cannot risk global annihilationNobody wanted the war. The war was inevitable.
No.493848
>>493845>cannot risk global annihilationIf so called "porky" doesn't care about climate change, what makes you think they're going to care about annihilation via nuclear warfare?
No.493849
>>493847Confrontation does not equal war.
They did not clash in the Cold War when the stakes were socialism vs capitalism I don't think they'll do it now.
Proxy wars on the other hand could happen, maybe in the Balkans/Middle East/Latin America.
No.493850
>>493848Climate change is an idea made of many noving parts, difficult to grasp and very much less dangerous for rich Porkies than for us everyday people.
Nuclear annihilation is swift immediate and with no turning back or even stopping.
No.493851
>>493848Porkies do care about climate change but the main actor is capital itself. Porkies are slaves to profit.
No.493852
>>493843Do you know what Lenin meant with a tendency within the political economy of capitalism becoming "dominant"? Iran also invests heavily in Iraq, in fact has small-scale capitalists investing into the retail sector in Iraq. That doesn't mean that Iran is imperialist.
>Better comparison is if south asian billionaires behave like the Koch brothers, and they do So you admit Sabocat's original point was dumb as fuck? Both the Pakistani corner store owner and the Koch brothers are driven structurally by the private accumulation of capital. Hence, according to Anglo-Saxon autism, they both represent the same shit in substance. That was my original point, that I DARED to point out that Russian capitalists may have different interests than the American monopoly imperialist capitalist, something that should be uncontroversial for a communist to recognize.
No.493853
>>493842This glows like the sun.
No.493855
>>493806Multi-lateral agreements with governments that don't represent the people and are suppressing the proletariat. You forgot to add that in.
No.493856
Blackpill moment: We are discussing shit impacting the lives of 330 million Americans+40 million Canadians+500 million Europeans+70/80 million Central Asian people+140 million Russians and there's NO ROLE AT ALL for Communist parties to play anywhere in it.
I swear I'm so fucking tired.
No.493857
>>493854You know some people in the past can be right on some things vs not, right? It's not a purity contest. Seek truth from facts.
No.493858
>>493855You would have joined the left-SRs 1917 and the right-deviationist counter-gang opposing Brest-Litovsk because "multilateral agreements are not to be supported when it's with governments that oppress the proletariat".
No.493859
>>493852I can see your point about the difference in scale of investment, but how are the interests of the Russian bourgeoisie different from American bourgeoisie other than competing with each other?
No.493860
Also interesting how simultaneously to a thread about the danger of an escalation in Ukraine, this thread >>691468 is constantly bumped about how ethnic Russians are "colonialists". Nothing suspicious here at all
No.493861
>>493838Well what exactly do you want from me?
>Oppose Russia<LE NATO SHILL>Oppose NATO<NOOOOES U IS BETRAYING INTERNATIONALISM BY LETTING RUSSIA HAVE UKRAINE>Take neither side<NOOOOO U IS DOING LIBERALISM, YOU NEED TO CHOOSE A SIDEYou’re annoying, Kraut anon
No.493862
Anglos ITT be like:
>RUSSIA DID DONE ANYTHING?
>HELL NAW!!!
b-but anon, post-soviet Russia was promised non-interference from NATO and also that NATO will not move a single inch toward Russia
>DON'T MATTER, BITCH!!!
<YOU HAVE A NON-US APPROVED DEMOCRACY, THEREFORE YOU GO DOWN RIGHT NOW
b-but, dude, we are talking about 144 million people
<DON'T MATTRESS >>>BITCH<<<
<YOU BELONG TO ANGLO-SPHERE OF INFLUENCE NOW!!
d-dude, can I just be Russia, please?
NO, PUSSY, YOU BELONG TO NATO, NOW, BIIIIIEEETCCCH!!!!
<k
<be putin
<yeah, this is fucked up
<fuck this shit
>>>>>>>>do shit that goes against USA (main imperialist country)
Yeah, so, like, we, from New York determined that you are backwards, dear Russia, and that you need to be liberated by our forces, okay?
Can we get to the previous fact? You need a BIG UPDATE, based on OUR standards from Washington!!!
No.493863
>>493854Modern-day tankies in 1940 before Germany turned on the USSR be like…
No.493864
>>493861Maybe shut the fuck up and learn that its more than just "MUH WORKERS"
No.493865
>>493864Oh
It’s also playing an utterly flaccid and impotent game of geopolitical team sports where we decide which capitalist faction to support?
>It’s not always about the workerst. Tankoid
No.493866
>>493865Great strawman bro
No.493868
>>493803>To make it short, imperialism is a historical stage of capitalism where one key aspect is that the export of capital and extortionate money-lending becomes dominant over the export of commoditiesIt isn't. Lenin explicitly states that imperialism predates the monopoly-finance stage of capitalism. Otherwise we would have to conclude that the Russian Empire wasn't imperialist because it hadn't reached this stage.
No.493869
>”Le anglo” “le correct flag” is now the argument
Wow
Guess that really is cancerous
Gotta not do that in the future
Also
>All this seethe because goddamned porkified Russia got criticized
No.493870
>>493814>Basically, if I were to follow your totality, a Pakistani owner of a corner shop is the same as the fucking Kock brothers because both are driven by the accumulation of capital. Russian billionaire oligarchs are not remotely comparable to a Pakistani store owner. They are major capitalists in their own right with tremendous influence over the government of a nuclear armed Great Power easily capable of dominating its neighbours economically, militarily and politically.
No.493872
>>493862What a ridiculous strawman. Nobody here is advocating for NATO encroachment or interventionism. We're advocating that comrades of all belligerent countries work to bring about their overthrow of their respective bourgeois regimes, resist any aggressive behaviour on the part of their governments, and not take sides in conflicts between capitalists.
No.493873
>>493867>>493862>everyone I don't like is le anglomeds
No.493875
>>493874I am Hungarian, schizo.
No.493876
>>493875Szia, hány óra van nálatok, te köcsög, ill. elmondanád, h kire szavaztál az előccő választások alkalmával?
köcce!
>mégmielőtt>>kiderűlne, hogy egy anglo getzi vagy, aki tetteti magát, lol No.493877
>>49387618 óra 51 perc, illetve senkire. Nagyon szívesen.
No.493878
>>493877k, szóval mi az angélusod ebben a fonálban, te kis fasszopó? Ugye azzal tisztában vagy, h a jelenlegi EU&USA fasisztoid geciket ültetett hatalomba Ukrajnába, kik betiltottál a magyar nyelvi oktatást Kárpátalján, ugyeeeeee?
Nehari, de észnél vagy?
No.493879
>>493875>>493876>>493877>>493878хуй сосал булгар
Bulgarian = Burglarian
Tsigan
No.493880
>>493878Let's continue this in English so people don't have to Google Translate it. Just because the Ukrainian government is a piece of shit doesn't mean that we have to "support" the alternative. A puppet government backed by the Russians would be just as bad. You don't have to necessarily take sides in everything you know. Also, nationalism doesn't equal fascism.
No.493882
>>493881I mean, I could call you a Russian glowie as well, but this isn't an argument.
No.493883
>>493880>Just because the Ukrainian government is a piece of shitTRANSLATION:
<JUST BECAUSE THE USA AND THE EU INSTALLED LITERAL NAZIS IN UKRAINE…>doesn't mean that we have to "support" the alternative<DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE SHOULD OPPOSE LITERAL NAZIS, LOL!!!!>A puppet government backed by the Russians would be just as bad.<ANOTHER GOVERNMENT THAT ISN'T FULLY NAZI, MEANING, WANTING TO BAN HUNGARIAN EDUCATION, AND WANTING TO ERADICATE THEM, IS JUST AS GOOD AS A NORMAL GOVERNMENT, LOL!!!>You don't have to necessarily take sides in everything you know.<YEAH, DUDE, THOSE FRICKING' HUNGARIANS THAT GET KILLED AT THE BOARDER? FUCK 'EM! LOL (I AM VERY SMART)>Also, nationalism doesn't equal fascism.The current US&EU pushed government in the Ukraine are literally pro-Bandera, you pathetic little shit:
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sztepan_Andrijovics_Banderaelmész a kurva anyádba, hogy rohadnál szét és hogy baszódnál meg, te féreg No.493884
>>493879Да нет, славяне—индусы белокурые. По крайне мере, русские таковы.
No.493889
ITT: ueful idiots would rather cry about Ukraine's autonomy being hurt than realize that the ruling UKR gov. is made up of nazis.
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT, MORON
No.493890
>>493888Sanitizing banderists isn’t suspect in your eyes, good to know.
No.493891
>>493886The DPR is so cursed, I remember in some documentary at I forgot what occasion, they played the Soviet anthem while the Tsarist eagle flag flapped in the background lmao
No.493893
>>493889Ukraine is a nation being torn apart by Nazis backed by the Western porkies on one side and literal Tsarists backed by Russian porkies on the other.
No.493894
>>493888>Just because the RULING PARTY IN GOVERNMENT HAS OPEN SYMPATHIES FOR BANDERA, it doesn't mean that we are fucked!Are you, like, literally retarded?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-of-ukrainian-nationalists-march-in-in-honor-of-nazi-collaborator/https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/(etc.)
nehari, de teljesen hülye vagy, bazdmeg? ezek nyíltan nácikkal azonosulnak, s közben kormányon vannak No.493895
>>493893And nothing of value would be lost
No.493897
>>493888It's not
some nazis mate lmfao
No.493898
>>493894Why are you so autistically fixated on some of them being nazis?
No.493899
>>493887Praising fascist collaborators is not the same as actually being nazis
Do you think Putin is communist because he praises the red army?
No.493900
>>493896>It's pretty clear that any Soviet imagery they use is used because of its association with Russian national greatness and prestigeYeah I'm aware, I just thought it was funny
>picThat Soviet-Tsarist flag might be the worst thing I have every seen holy fuck
No.493901
>>493898Cuz I'm a Hungarian and these fuckers literally want to eradicate their Hungarian minorities inside their borders, you faggot?
No.493902
>>493899But sanitizing fascists for Hohol nationalism?
No.493904
>>493901>eradicate their Hungarian minoritiesNever happened, and never will, because it would create too much of an uproar in the EU.
No.493905
>>493899>Do you think Putin is communist because he praises the red army?Victory Day, Gagarin and to some extent Stalin etc. are praised by Putin and other lunatics like him because they can be easily sanitized and repackaged as Russian nationalism. It's not the same as if Putin went on stage and started praising Lenin or some shit like that. Meanwhile, Kekrainians are very very openly sympathetic not just to Bandera, but his ideas lmao.
No.493907
Russia will take Russian part of Ukraine and some Ukrainians will die. NATO will be expanded to what's left of Ukraine, but there will be no overt NATO/Russia full scale war
No.493908
>>493906As I have already said, this isn't anywhere near genocide.
>according to anglosMég mindig magyar vagyok, drágám.
No.493910
>>493903I never said I like the Ukrainian government
>>493902Reactionary, fascist, but not nazist
No.493911
>>493909Those same Hungarian people (who are being restricted in their usage of the language, NOT genocided) would die in the trenches if war were to break out, but as it seems, you don't really care about that. And it wouldn't just be the minorities, everyone would have an equal chance of getting blown to bits. In a total war, I am pretty sure more people would die than the entire Hungarian population in Ukraine.
>te náci-szimpatizáns libsiWhy is it so hard for you to comprehend, that people can be neutral?
No.493912
>>493911Why is it so hard for you to understand that neutrality isn’t real
No.493913
>>493911>yeah, so, I'm totally from your ethnic background (((Hungarian,))) yet I still think that the Ukranian's government's crackdown on Hungarians aren't that serious!<how come?>Good question!!!! I'm an ENLIGHTENED-type of "Hungarian" who thinks that all those "UN-ENLIGHTENED-HUNGARIANS" should fuck off! More over, I think that when our national disaphora gets FUCKED it's totally NATURAL!
>THAT IS ALL, YOU CLOWN!>WE, >>>REST OF HUNGARIANS<<< totally believe that when NAZIS come into power in Ukraine, we should lick their balls!<THIS IS TOTALLY NORMAL!!!<I AM VERY NORMAL, TOTALLY NOT GAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT!<FUCK OUR COMPATRIOTS OUTSIDE OUR BORDERS, LOLcan you die, plz?
No.493914
>>493912You're right
Opposition to bourgeois of either country > "neutrality" > vulgar nationalism of siding with a porky faction
No.493915
>>493914>opposing nazis=
>neutralityI wish I had the luxury of being you, lmao.
No.493916
>>493913>(((Hungarian,)))<anyone who disagrees with me must be from another nationalityAnd you are the one calling out people for their racism?
>I still think that the Ukranian's government's crackdown on Hungarians aren't that seriousNice strawman. I only said, that you were extremely overexaggerating when you were talking about "muh genocide".
>More over, I think that when our national disaphora gets FUCKED it's totally NATURALSee above.
>we should lick their ballsYeah, opposing war against one of Europe's most populated countries is licking the balls of nazis.
>I AM VERY NORMAL, TOTALLY NOT GAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT!Do you have a problem with homosexuals, Mr. Nazi-opposer?
>FUCK OUR COMPATRIOTS OUTSIDE OUR BORDERS, LOLAs I have already said, they would be worse off in a war.
No.493917
>>493914Opposition to both countries=creating a false equivalency between them, friend
No.493919
>>493917If Russia were to succeed in establishing a sympathetic and pliable government in Ukraine, why would Russian porkies not use this opportunity to exploit the Ukrainians and their resources? Why is this better from the perspective of the Ukrainian working class?
No.493920
Khanate Of The Golden Horde > Tsarist Russia
No.493921
>>493774>AnPrim anon has been one of the most cancerous users on this board recently. Straight up worst poster
Everything that comes out his mouth his pure unadulterated dogshit
No.493922
>>493916Are you posting this comment from a comfortable (((anglo))) background? If so: the rest of US don't.
you be like:
>YOUR REAL OPPRESSION AIN'T REALare you anglo? can you die already? you are literally the fucking parasite upon the rest of the world. can you die/fuck off, plz?
>Yeah, opposing war against one of Europe's most populated countries is licking the balls of nazis.Literally YOUR FUCKING GOVERMENTS CREATED NAZI GERMANY. READ A FUCKING BOOK, LMAO. YOU ARE NAZIS.
>Do you have a problem with homosexuals, Mr. Nazi-opposer?Nope, Gay dudes are okay.
>As I have already said, they would be worse off in a war.Meaningless: your "worse off in war" imaginary is basically your way of confronting your OWN ango-history, which literally includes the fact that you troglodyties have spent 98% of your country's time in war. That is you, anglo. We, the rest of the world, were always pro-peace.
You, anglos? Not like that. You literally spent 98% of your time warring other innocent countries. There you go..
May you fuck yourself, and may you die in hell.
No.493923
>>493922Dude, I have been telling this to you for so long, that it's actually amazing that you haven't been able to cope with the fact that not every person who disagrees with you is automatically an anglo. Furthermore, it's hilarious that you are so obsessed with nazis, when you yourself associate everything evil with an ethnicity.
>Literally YOUR FUCKING GOVERMENTS CREATED NAZI GERMANY. READ A FUCKING BOOK, LMAO. YOU ARE NAZIS.Factually incorrect. German industrialists created Nazi Germany who saw war as an excellent tool to further increase their capital. Also, are these nazis in the room with you right now?
>your OWN ango-historyDo I live in Great Britain now?
>We, the rest of the world, were always pro-peace.I shouldn't have to tell you this, but anglos had nothing to do with Hungarians plundering half of Europe.
>t. Hungarianon No.493924
>>493923>Dude, I have been telling this to you for so long, that it's actually amazing that you haven't been able to cope with the fact that not every person who disagrees with you is automatically an anglo.<an ethnicity is potentially getting purged right no because USA&EU did a thing<<<DUDE, I'vE bEeN tElLiNg AbOuT tHiSgrow up, maybe???
>it's hilarious that you are so obsessed with nazis,Ukr gov. is literal nazis, you cretin.
>when you yourself associate everything evil with an ethnicity.I never did and I never do such thing, you cumfag. Ukranian Hungarians are literally on the boarded of being executed by above mentioned "progressive forces," ffs.
>German industrialists created Nazi GermanyAnd NATO imperialists
created reviewed Ukranian Nazis, you moron.
>I shouldn't have to tell you this, but anglos had nothing to do with Hungarians plundering half of Europe.Read a fucking history book, btw, uyghuh.
No.493925
>>493921Ain't that the truth
No.493926
>>493924>I never did and I never do such thingsee:
>>493906>>493867>>493874>>493876>>493913>>493922You are seething about muh evil anglos in every single one of these.
>Ukranian Hungarians are literally on the boarded of being executedOverstatement of the century.
>Ukr gov. is literal nazis, you cretin.Not every single one of them retard.
>And NATO imperialists revived Ukranian Nazis, you moron.Exactly. No one is denying this.
>Read a fucking history book, btw, uyghuh.Are you implying that the above mentioned historical events WERE actually caused by the anglo menace? I would be delighted if you could provide some sources for me to laugh at.
No.493927
putin is a white uyghur
No.493928
SEX
No.493929
>>493770>If anything RT's editorial line represents the interests of Russian state-owned companies most of the times, which make up almost half of the Russian economy, and not the one of Russian capitalists. It's a state-owned media too. Oh yeah, this is great. I love when a post just perfectly captures the >absolute state of this board being taken over by brainless retards and uyghurs. Of course Russian state-owned media isn't capitalist, class-character of the state??? Wuts that hurr durrr shit
No.493930
tbh all of you deserve to be beaten senseless
No.493932
>>493931kill yourself you stupid faggot
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) No.493933
>>493931Nah, you have been here for a long time already, pseud
No.493934
>>493760Nothing is happening, just more daily psychosis from state department twitter.
No.493935
>>493932>>493933y r u assmas samefag?
No.493936
>>493929>>493931It's funny that in this thread noone has ever stated that russia is somehow socialist.
You retards started sperging over RT and derailed the thread with boring strawman and american imperialism apology.
This thread is about the situation in ukraine, if you don't like RT you could have posted other news outlet.
No.493937
>>493936I agree that the thread has been hopelessly derailed, but
>american imperialism apologyliterally where?
No.493940
>>493937>literally where?"muh two sides"
No.493941
>>493939I don't think it is a strawman, I don't think it's even that much of a hyperbole. The state media of a capitalist state is going to be capitalist, whether it be American or Russian or where ever
No.493942
>>493941Exactly. That anon never said otherwise.
No.493943
>>493940Russia is an anti-communist capitalist regime and no one should "support them". Read Lenin.
No.493945
>>493944Oh sorry, I think we misunderstood eachother. I was talking about this anon:
>>493929 No.493946
>>493771RT is fascist, you idiot.
Putin is a fascist, that hates America because he hates democracy and equality.
Russia is funding hate propaganda in America, promoting racism, guns ownership, "free speech" and all that other shit you nazi chinlets love.
But sure, keep whining about how America invaded Iraq or something, while Putin is brutally raping Ukraine for daring to stand up to him trying to bring back Hitler's ideology into Europe.
(low quality trolling) No.493947
>>493946I genuinely can't tell if this is sarcasm.
No.493948
>>493946please be a copypasta
No.493950
>>493945No worries. Thanks for clearing that up.
No.493951
>>493931Yeah it seems that to me too.
>>493934Same opinion
>>493946Glowing like three supernovas.
No.493952
>>493760As I've stated countless times this Russo-Ukrainian "conflict" and the broader "New Cold War" between the U$ and Chinese/Russian Imperialist Blocs is a complete Nothingburger due to both sides Mutual integration into the Global Capitalist-Imperialist System (Putinist Russia is a Semi-Periphery Imperialist country which is a Gas station for the EU that simultaneously uses its Oil and Gas companies to exploit resources in its satellite states such as Kazakhstan and Syria, Dengist China is a Semi-Periphery Imperialist country which is a Sweatshop for U$ corporations that simultaneously has Imperialist FDI projects in its "Belt and Road" with Periphery countries, while U$ mutual funds like Blackrock are fully invested in both Dengist China and Putinist Russia). Any Dengist/Duginist "Happooner" who believes that "this time le ebic WW3 between "Degenerate" "Western" Imperialists and "Based" "Eastern" Imperialists is really Happening" is going to be really disappointed and will have to retreat further into their bubble of Orientalist Qanon on "Alternative" media websites such as the "Unz Review", "The Saker", and the "Moon of Alabama", LOL. By the way, I congradulate Comrade AnPrim for doing a great job countering the "Happooners" with a rational analysis of contemporary geopolitics in this thread.
No.493953
>>493952Oh sweet, some annoying maoist to filter.
No.493954
make a thread about the russia-ukraine conflict not a complete shit show challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
No.493956
>>493952Please stop writing with all these fucking capital letters.
Aside that, the analysis is partially correct, BUT you should not ignore the possibility of proxy conflicts to flare up between the various blocs.
The various Porkies have still competing interests after all, it's in their very nature.
No.493957
>>493956he types like its the 18th century
No.493958
>>493789how the fuck do you not know how julien assange is?
No.493960
>>493958He probably didn't read the list closely.
No.493961
>>493784>The German Empire was an imperialist country, the Russian Federation is not.Wow! Just like that. No argument needed, you can just declare things imperialist or not?!
No.493962
>>493952I agree but I think Russia will take part of Ukraine, with some battles against Ukrainians and NATO will just piss and moan and sanction and invite the rest of Ukraine in. This might be a "happening" of sorts. But there will be no more world wars ever again without communism, in fact that has been an explicit goal of US policy since ww2, and probably of everyone else' policies, that is to avoid world wars at all costs.
No.493963
>>493783Wait a minute, so is that somehow better than the whole CNN guests - recurrent contributors?
Yep, spotted the liberal.
No.493964
>>493787>C.I.A. talking pointsYou do realize the one country supporting facists in ukraine is the U.S.
You DO realize the one country wanting to put ukraine in NATO list is the U.S. with the risky factor that if a false negative happens in kraiene the Russians would only have 2 minutes to verify is not a threat, and possibly would have to attack,
not only ukraine, but also the whole western civilization because fuck the Russians know ukraine is just a puppet regimen of NATO interests, and that would not only imply the west will erase Russia but will be erased, too, including you?
Aw lawl.
>"Anarchists" No.493965
>>493963When did I claim to watch CNN to begin with?
Did doctors replace your brains with a dog turd?
Because you seem to think in false equivalences
No.493966
>>493965You were the one starting with CNN, you use a false equivalence argument there and now you have to cope with being laughed at.
No.493967
>>493763This. There is shelling from both sides since that time
No.493968
>U.S. supporting fascist in Ukraine
> Russia is going to support a liberal coup
I don’t feel like I’m equipped to take sides on this one.
Feel bad for Ukraine bros though.
No.493969
>>493964 (me)
BTW the reason the western media screeched hard by a Russian advisor in the Genebra meeting about deploying nuclear warheads in Cuba and Venezuela is precise because that would also leave the U.S. with the same small amount of time to maneuver in case of a false negative.
No.493971
This site becomes shittier everyday
No.493972
>>493961Where's Russia's colonies? Are Russia's capitalists fighting for expansion of their empire or for undoing the grasp the West has onto them?
No.493974
>>493972>Are Russia's capitalists fighting for expansion of their empire or for undoing the grasp the West has onto them?Both. They aren't mutually exclusive. If Russia succeeds in driving American influence out of Eastern Europe or Ukraine, why would they not bow to the imperative of accumulation (as all capitalists must) and start exploiting this region themselves?
No.493976
>>493973While I agree with you that painting Donbass republics as communist or socialist in any capacity is wishful thinking, I do not agree with your analysis anon.
Yeah there's reactionary elements among the Donbass fighters, but these people do not hold any institutional power at all.
Nazi formations get training weapons and other stuff directly by the State in Ukraine, with the active backing of the EU.
No.493977
>>493976>Yeah there's reactionary elements among the Donbass fighters, but these people do not hold any institutional power at all.The only institional power in Donbass is that which Moscow allows to exist, and Moscow is a reactionary government.
No.493979
>>493978Reactionary is when you're a capitalist government run by billionaires that represses communists and rehabilitates the Tsar.
No.493980
>>493973You DO realize the areas where the ukrainian communist party was popular was exactly in the eastern areas (like Donbas and Crimea) and some small irrelevant militiamen, not integrated into the official army, not trained by the Russians aren't exactly a representation of the current state of the events
which is the opposite with azov battlion which is fully integrated to the state army, and CIA trained No.493981
>>493973>>493980 (me)
And one thing is nationalists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavr_KornilovAnother completely different thing are nazis. Get your shit together and pick the right side.
No.493982
>>493979>muh both sides bad!! I am very intelligent with my western unilateral perspective, aloft on the fence and aloof from the real worldAll denouncement of russia is convenient for NATO/west propaganda, regardless of your personal opinions, therefore you are NATO useful idiot/glow
No.493985
>>493982>>493980>You DO realize the areas where the ukrainian communist party was popular was exactly in the eastern areasYeah and they were suppressed in Donbass.
>not trained by the Russians aren't exactly a representation of the current state of the events which is the opposite with azov battlion which is fully integrated to the state army, and CIA trainedAll the Donbass militias rely heavily on Russian material and technical support. Literal Tsarists are receiving direct support from Moscow. Why wouldn't they? Putin runs a right wing capitalist regime that constantly fellates the monarchy and the Orthodox Church.
>And one thing is nationalists. Another completely different thing are nazisTsar shills are not any less the enemies of communism than Nazis are.
>>493982>regardless of your personal opinions, therefore you are NATO useful idiot/glowIt would be if I weren't also pointing out that the first duty of communists in all belligerent countries is to agitate against war and bring about the defeat of their own government. It's not like I'm running around in public screaming about Russia being evil to normies, whenever the topic comes up the only thing I say is how the working class has no interest in war, and how imperialist aggression against Russia must be opposed. But there are morons here literally shilling for Putin's government. Being against Western imperialism is not the same as being for Putin, and anybody who doesn't understand the difference is a fool. Putin is an anti-communist, an agent of the Russian bourgeoisie, and an enemy of the workers. It is the duty of Russian communists to bring about the defeat and destruction of his government just as it is the duty of Western communists to bring about the defeat of their own governments.
No.493986
>>493983Japan was weaker than America so I guess we should have supported them in WW2 right? Germany was weaker than Britain and France, so I guess the SPD was right to support the war effort then? Explain to me the benefit of exchanging one imperialist hegemon for another.
No.493988
>>493985>the first duty of communists in all belligerent countries is to agitateGlow more gonzaloid
No.493989
>>493985>Yeah and they were suppressed in Donbass.t. euromaidan news
>>493985
>Literal Tsarists are receiving direct support from Moscowoh lol, you watch euromidan news
Again, one thing is nationalists, another thing is literally nazis that put dirlewanger tattoos in their bodies, you dimwit.
No.493990
>>493988I guess Lenin was a Gonzaloid then.
No.493992
>>493990and I guess you prefer literally nazis over irrelevant nationalists, lmao.
You lost your way to pol.
No.493993
>>493992NOOOO I HAVE NO PREFERENCE!!! ALL BOURGEOIS ARE THE SAME THEREFORE EVERYONE IS A NAZI!!! EVERYONE IS EQUALLY HITLER!!! PLEASE IGNORE IMPERIALIST ENROACHMENT ON THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!!!!
No.493994
>>493989>Euromaidanhttps://leftrussia.wordpress.com/2016/05/23/communists-are-under-threat-of-expulsion-in-donetsk/They literally purged the communists from their government and liquidated them as a party.
>Again, one thing is nationalists, another thing is literally nazisAnd both are actively anti-communist. We're literally talking about people running around with Tsarist flags and Orthodox icons. You seriously think that these people don't want to kill communists as much as the Urkrainian fashoids do?
No.493995
Imho fuck Russia and Ukraine, this is reactionary vs reactionary fighting. As far as I'm concerned the only ones who deserve CRITICAL support at least is the DPR, because there is a chance small as it may be that their communist party can take the reigns.
No.493996
>>493993>PLEASE IGNORE IMPERIALIST ENROACHMENT ON THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!!!On the contrary, I urge communists in all NATO countries to direct all their efforts to thwarting any aggression against Russia, and to frustrate by all available means the warmongering efforts of their imperialist governments. I urge Russians to do the same to their own reactionary regime.
No.493997
>>493990Lenin would have wiped his ass with dogmatists like you that apply everything he said regarding his own material conditions in his own time to the contemporary world
No.493998
Can we PLEASE worldfilter anglo?
No.494000
>>493993lol, cope
here, this is the kind of people you are defending with that autistic screeching
>>493994>clickbait article, from 2016, says "risk" while the same article does not mention they are being expelled nor expulsed>2016aw lawl.
No.494001
>>493997So then explain what is so different that we should start shilling for a government as viciously anti-socialist as Putin's. If the US is thrown out of Ukraine and it falls once again under Russian influence, what then? Are Russian capitalists not bound by the laws of capitalist accumulation? Why wouldn't they take advantage of that situation to exploit Ukraine's people themselves? What benefit is a new imperial overlord to the Ukrainian workers? What is the benefit of diminishing the influence of the US if the vacuum is filled by another bourgeois dictatorship?
No.494002
>>493996>I urge communists in all NATO countries to direct all their effortsThis will not harm NATO in any way, you tried since 1960s and your retarded 19th century tactics been failing for 60 years
>I urge Russians to do the same to their own reactionary regimeThis will actually serve to undermine the russian people as demonstrated by western intelligence taking advantage of dissidents in Russia, attempting to capture any movement of the people and turn it into a colour revolution
Jesus fucking christ you're a retard who everyone takes advantage of, or just glow
No.494003
>>493999t. irony poisoned western european who recently Haz's fbi.gov and thinks he's so cool and special for speaking some other shitty language
No.494004
>>493993>>493994>>494001>>494002WHICH ONE OF YOU FUCKS IS THE REAL SABOCAT
No.494005
>>494003Поплачь ище англоид ебанутый, твоя культура жопа и мы с вас рабов сделаем
No.494006
>>494002It's a glowyte, no one can't be this retarded between literally nazis and natioanlists.
Euromaidan news is the one propelling everything negative happening in the region of Donbas, even calling the nationalists nazis, which is untrue, so they can justify the presence of the azov battlion, and then comes this moron and pretends that material pictures are overridden to what he wants.
Bet he hasn't moved one single finger to get a socialist revolution in motion in his entire life.
No.494007
>>494001>What is the benefit of diminishing the influence of the USSabocuck confirmed glow
No.494008
Two words: revolutionary defeatism. From both. I'm tired of seeing bloodthirsty bots and ghouls in Twitter and Reddit.
No.494009
>>494007No, read the posts. There are two, one impostor.
No.494010
>>494008>Two words: revolutionary defeatism. From bothNot what revolutionary defeatism is anglo
No.494011
It'll be the same as that scuffle between Georgia and Russia a couple years back. This is nothing burger news.
No.494012
>>494009That's the real one. He just said he doesn't want to oppose US colonialism of ukraine because russia has bourgeois too. What a stupid fucking anglo western unilateralist
No.494013
>>494000https://web.archive.org/web/20161004190158/https://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2016/05/19_a_8254373.shtml>During the autumn 2014 elections, the DNR communists were not allowed to form their own electoral list. In those elections, a “two-party” model of the DPR was developed by order. Only Oleksandr Zakharchenko's "Donetsk Republic" and, to a lesser extent, Pavel Gubarev's "Free Donbass" have the right to nominate candidates at all levels.>This year, on May 6, on the eve of Victory Day, all three communists were deprived of their mandates with the wording "due to loss of confidence." The decision was made by the political council of the "Donetsk Republic".>>494002>This will not harm NATO in any wayActually resisting the imperialist designs of our own government is literally the only way for us to influence the situation at all. Are you saying we shouldn't agitate against Western aggression?
>This will actually serve to undermine the russian peopleThe Russian government does not represent the Russian people. It represents the Russian capitalist class.
>>494007Answer the question. Russian capitalists are driven by the same laws of accumulation that American capitalists are. So why is one preferable to the other?
>>494009I'm the usual Sabocat poster, and my position is for revolutionary defeatism to be carried out by communists in all belligerent countries.
No.494014
>>494012>He just said he doesn't want to oppose US colonialism of ukraine because russia has bourgeois too. No I didn't, I said that Western communists should agitate against imperialist aggression against Russia, and that this is their first and primary duty. However this doesn't mean deluding ourselves into thinking that Putin is some kind of progressive force.
No.494015
>>494013>why is one preferable to the other?Just by asking this question you expose yourself as anglo
Answer: because angloid subhumans like you have no business in that region, that was part of the Russian civilisation for the past 1000 years
No.494017
>>494016>AND YOU FUCKING FORGET TO MENTION THAT THE COMMUNIST PARTY IS MEMBER OF THE FUCKING SAME COUNCIL ARE YOU THIS RETARDED?Read the article, it specifically talks about how they were thrown out of this council in 2016.
No.494018
>>494013>Actually resisting the imperialist designs of our own government is literally the only way for us to influence the situation at all.And in the past 60 years you've come up short. Since 1960 all your resistance is garbage larp done to make you feel good about yourself, it reduced western imperialist expansion in no way. "Revolutionary defeatism" in the 21st century is the position of NATO useful idiots
>Are you saying we shouldn't agitate against Western aggression?You said that here
>>494001>What is the benefit of diminishing the influence of the US No.494019
>>494015>Answer: because angloid subhumans like you have no business in that region, that was part of the Russian civilisation for the past 1000 yearsThe laws of capitalist accumulation don't care what language you speak Anon. A porky is a porky, and Russian porkies are no less bloodsuckers than American ones are. Remember who these people are, they're literally the very rats who killed the Soviet Union.
No.494020
>>494005Ohhhh noooo, am I supposed to feel threatened? The funny thing is, I actually used to speak Russian as my native language, (not Russian, just a burger whose parents moved to Russia) then forgot it all lmao. Also, it's kind of funny how you're doing the exact same thing that anti-communists do, if you talk to a Ukrainian nationalist and say you critically, emphasis on the critical part, support Russia over Ukraine, such as I do, then they'll call you a privileged westerner, or if you support Marxism-Leninism (not even me specifically but just from what I've observed in general), then they'll say how Stalin was such a mean heccin bulli and oh the horrors and oh you're such a tone-deaf privileged westerner scum if you're a communist, and now you're doing the same thing by calling me an "anglo".
No.494022
>>494017>>494017BUT THEY WERE PART OF IT holy fucking shit, you are picking sides between literally nazis that banned communist parties and this new area that allowed its principal council to be formed with the participation of communist.
They weren't disbanded of the donbas republic and my point still stand.
You are a moron who sucks the cock of oskar dirlewanger's ghost.
Get lost retarded ultra.
No.494023
>>494021Dunno man, it just frustrates me very much when I say something and then they say that I am that thing, y'know?
No.494024
>>494018>And in the past 60 years you've come up short. Since 1960 all your resistance is garbage larp done to make you feel good about yourself, it reduced western imperialist expansion in no way. So are you saying that Western communists shouldn't agitate against Western imperialism? Pretty funny that you would say this and then call me glow.
>You said that hereNo I didn't. I said that the victory of Russia over the US would bring no benefit to the international communist movement. That doesn't mean that communists in the West shouldn't agitate against Western imperialism. The aim of doing this is to exasperate the class contradictions at home, it has nothing to do with the victory of Russia or the US as such.
>>494022>you are picking sides between literally nazis that banned communist parties and this new area that allowed its principal council to be formed with the participation of communistYeah except those communists were subsequently thrown out and neutralized as a political force. So the choice is between people who banned communists and people who banned communists (but they didn't do it immediately so that makes it okay).
No.494025
>>494019>No such thing as cultural heritage and civilisation!!!! Only thing that exists is capitalism!!!>What is materialism?>Yasss replace russian civilisation with anglo culture!!>muh proletkult!!Tell me how I know you went down the liberal>ankid>marxist pipeline
Russian marxists spit on westerners like you
No.494027
>>494020Крутой абзац. не читал ни одного слова англоид. Давай ище плачь дегенерат.
No.494028
>>494024> communists were subsequently thrown out and neutralized as a political force No they are not
https://carnegiemoscow.org/commentary/84089You can read some ex-member are still part of the structure.
and they constitued the estructure:
https://www.equaltimes.org/the-donetsk-people-s-republic-aI am not sure why you love so much to point out a failed that not even managed to avoid the take of the nazis of the ukrainian power, let me say it again
literally nazisPeople still want to form the USSR, that's a fact, but if their leadership is retarded as fuck, as they proved they were, only shows you glow harder than the sun when you overrated them over nazis.
You twart.
No.494029
>>494026Can't wait till London and California gets nuked, so the world can be finally free of anglo settlers like you
No.494030
>>494024IMHO anon you seem too much focused on an ideal situation.
Situation down there is shit, we can only choose a second best.
The second best after revolution in either of the two contenders is clearly for Ukrainians to be BTFO.
Russian comrades are in no condition of launching a significative struggle right now sadly.
No.494031
>>494026They were asked to present proof of their claims, you piece of shit liberal, they weren't able to provide proofs of their claims and they get arrested. See? but you prefer to eat propaganda you literal ultra-retard.
No.494032
>>494024>international communist movementWhat movement? Where? In your anglo larp fantasies maybe.
Kill yourself ultra
No.494033
>>494027This might just be due to deeper context being lost in translation, but why do you sound so aggressive and irony-poisoned? "I'm going to slit the throats of your entire extended family and stuff my ten inch penis up my own anus before I will ever submit to you you degenerate liberal scum". Like, is this what too much /pol/ does to a person?
No.494034
>>494033xD прямо пена изо рта идет
No.494035
>>494028>You can read some ex-member are still part of the structure.It says there are ex-communists in the legislature, but that local communist parties were prevented from running in elections.
>>494031>They were asked to present proof of their claims, you piece of shit liberal, they weren't able to provide proofs of their claims and they get arrestedImagine literally making excuses for a bourgeois government to harass and repress communists.
>>494030>The second best after revolution in either of the two contenders is clearly for Ukrainians to be BTFO.Probably, but that doesn't mean that we should be shilling for Russia, and it doesn't mean that Russian comrades shouldn't work to bring about the overthrow of their own government. The real character of Russia's bourgeois regime should not be forgotten just because we are agitating against Western imperialism.
>Russian comrades are in no condition of launching a significative struggle right now sadly.The CPRF is much stronger than the Bolsheviks were in 1914.
No.494036
>>494034Straight foam is coming out of my mouth?
No.494037
FUCK RUSSIA FUCK UKRAINEWE GONNA TALK TO THE UNDEFEATED
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcast No.494038
>>494030The sabofaggot will always be an idealist utopian ultra. A settler too that fantasises about globally unilateral western culture replacing every other civilisation out there. Ultras serve imperalism.
No.494039
>>494038>A settler too that fantasises about globally unilateral western culture replacing every other civilisation out thereTake your meds.
No.494040
>>494035>Imagine literally making excuses for a bourgeois government to harass and repress communists.>reeeeeee we should allow fake claims of fraud that only helps NATO, not us reeeee>meanwhile if the communists in the west do exactly the same and they get jailed<SILENCE>>494035
>It says there are ex-communists in the legislature, but that local communist parties were prevented from running in elections.therefore they weren't expelled, again, you keep defending a party that failed to prevent the fracture of ukraine out of the ussr, a party that failed to prevent the rise of lukashenko and voted exactly the same as lukashenko's party, a party that supported initially the maidan protests, and couldn't avoid the rise to power of
literally nazis are you this deluded of reality?
No.494041
>>494036>Straight>>494020>I actually used to speak Russian as my native language, (not Russian, just a burger whose parents moved to Russia) then forgot it all lmaoТы не Русский и некогда не будешь русским. До конца время ты и твои дети будут le 56% диаспора англо.
No.494042
>>494040>>reeeeeee we should allow fake claims of fraud that only helps NATO, not us reeeee>fake claimsWhy do you side with Russian billionaires against Russian communists?
<SILENCEWhat silence? Do you think I'm not also opposed to the repression of communists in the West?
>therefore they weren't expelledAnon, they are ex-communists, as in they are not communists. Meanwhile actual communist parties are banned from running.
>you keep defending a party that failed to prevent the fracture of ukraine out of the ussr, a party that failed to prevent the rise of lukashenko and voted exactly the same as lukashenko's party, a party that supported initially the maidan protests, and couldn't avoid the rise to power of literally nazisI'm defending communists. You're defending anti-communists.
No.494043
>>494042>Why do you side with Russian billionaires against Russian communists?Nobody does that here. Why do you parrot russophobic NATO propaganda?
No.494044
>>494041Did I say ever say I was Russian, bruh?
No.494045
>>494043Is it Russophobic to call out the Russian government being run by oligarchs and reactionaries?
No.494046
>>494043>>494042glowie, idiot fake communist, revisionist,
my time in leftypol has made me understand why powerstruggles existed in communist countries
No.494047
>>494046Seethe. Fuck russia
No.494048
>>494043>Nobody does that here. Yes they do. You have people claiming that the CPRF deserved to be repressed.
>Why do you parrot russophobic NATO propaganda?Like what? I throw my support behind the Russian communists. They were the ones who accused Putin of rigging the election. Remember that Russia's bourgeois regime has been rigging elections to keep the left out of power since the 90s.
No.494049
>>494048>CPRF deserved to be repressedYes
No.494050
>>494042>Why do you side with Russian billionaires against Russian communists?where are the proofs of fraud, go on. tell me.
>sideWHERE DID I SAY THATno, you sided with nazis, idiot.
>>494042
>What silence? Do you think I'm not also opposed to the repression of communists in the West?Name one single rally you have talked to people in the west about the fraud of the capitalist system, go on. You can't because you pretend you are an ultra, but I bet the chair you are using is asking for your to leave her one single day alone. By siding with
literally nazis again you dismissed when I said ukrainian were nazis (see:
>>493993) where I had to proof literally nazis are with ukraine you are the one siding against the working class, and fucking siding with the NATO by putting them at the same level when Russia HAS NEVER INVADED ANOTHER FUCKING COUNTRY THEIR ENTIRE EXISTENCE SINCE 1991.
>>494042>Anon, they are ex-communists, as in they are not communists. Meanwhile, actual communist parties are banned from running. But they still exist, they are disbanded, my still point still stands correct, stop defending a lame-ass communist party ffs.
No.494051
>>494047anon im not siding with russia here, what im trying to say is that ive noticed every single debate here just consists of one side thinking they represent the true socialism and the other side being either revisionist, cia, fake, glowie utopian and etc
if anything this has made me understand why powerstruggles exist in socialist countries because if the guys in the communist gov were just like the guys here in leftypol
well it explains a lot
No.494052
>>494051Insightful observations as always autist
No.494053
>>494050>no, you sided with nazis, idiot.How? I want them both to lose.
>Name one single rally you have talked to people in the west about the fraud of the capitalist system, go on. Bruh I talk to people about it on a regular basis.
>and fucking siding with the NATOI specifically said that the primary goal of Western communists is to destroy NATO.
>when Russia HAS NEVER INVADED ANOTHER FUCKING COUNTRY THEIR ENTIRE EXISTENCE SINCE 1991They invaded Ukraine lmao. Besides, even if it were true that they hadn't, that doesn't change the fundamental forces which govern Russia as a society. Capitalist countries are literally incapable of not becoming imperialist, as Lenin proved.
https://youtu.be/HP7mzgf0xA8?t=84 No.494054
>>696320
not an argument
No.494055
>>494035<KPRF is much strongerNumbers aren't the end all anon. Degree of control by the State also matters.
Also KPRF has been cucked for 30 years they can't just wake up and uncuck themselves.
No.494056
>>494055>Also KPRF has been cucked for 30 years they can't just wake up and uncuck themselvesPart of uncucking themselves means actually opposing Putin.
No.494057
I would have given my life in sabotage operations for Soviets but Russia gets zero pity when they come here.
No.494058
>>494053>I want them both to loseNobody cares what you want and also this exposes your extreme lack of understanding about geopolitics. There are no "two losers", there will be a single winner. One of them will win whether you like it or not you utopian moron
>They invaded Ukraine lmaoNice kulak talking points. I see you have the libtard notion of sovereignty left over in your brain from since you were still a liberal around 2-3 years ago maybe
No.494059
>>494056For this to happen you got to wait for a change of the guard. Not going to happen with Zyuganov on top.
Also you'd have to pray they don't fall into liberalism while doing that.
Its not that easy, Lenin spent 20 years correcting and refining party line before 1917.
No.494061
>>494053>Bruh I talk to people about it on a regular basis.Post it, I don't want more lectures from ultra retarded ass-holes. I am not taking this shit any more from pseuds.
>>494053
>How? I want them both to lose.both can't lose, you idiot.
>>494053
>I specifically said that the primary goal of Western communists is to destroy NATO.and you are doing a favor to them siding against Russia.
>>494053
>They invaded Ukraine lmaoThey never sent Russian troops to Donbas what a fucking joke.
>>494053
> even if it were true that they hadn't>le moving the goalpost in the same line>>494053
>that doesn't change the fundamental forces which govern Russia as a societyUNTIL FUCKING THEN, you dimwit>>494053>Capitalist countries are literally incapable of not becoming imperialist, as Lenin provedOh, I guess capitalist Russia after the fall of the Tsar evolved into the …
IMPERIALIST USSRNo, Lenin never said that, you pseud.
and ignores when I asked the prrofs of a fraud, because of course, he's a retarded ultraLame ass shit you are.
No.494062
>>494057>I would have given my life in sabotage operations for SovietsNot too late for that larper. Hang yourself for your failure in stopping the dissolution.
No.494063
>>494062Finland was a close ally to Soviet Union but not part of Warsaw Pact. Our military manuals from 80's depict NATO tanks, helicopters and fighters as the enemy.
No.494064
>>494058>There are no "two losers", there will be a single winner. One of them will win whether you like it or not you utopian moronWhoever wins the proletariat loses. We have no dog in this fight, thus our only aim should be to leverage the situation to weaken our respective bourgeois governments and strengthen the worker's movement.
>>494061>Post itPost what?
>both can't lose, you idiot.They both lose if the proletariat wins. If we're lucky workers in Ukraine may become better organized and push against both Russian and Western encroachment.
>and you are doing a favor to them siding against RussiaI'm not. I'm siding against imperialism and capitalism, which means siding against both the Russians and NATO. In practice of course there's nothing I can do about Russia, and so obviously my irl agitation would be directed against NATO.
>They never sent Russian troops to Donbas what a fucking jokeCrimea.
>Oh, I guess capitalist Russia after the fall of the Tsar evolved into the …IMPERIALIST USSRThe USSR was not a capitalist country, it was socialist. Russia is a capitalist country, thus its imperialist character is inevitable.
>and ignores when I asked the prrofs of a fraudIf the Russian communists think it was rigged, I believe them. Again, it wouldn't be the first time. Why you feel inclined to side with a right wing, bourgeois regime against the communists, especially when that government has a proven history of rigging elections against them, is totally beyond me.
No.494066
>>494065I wasn't aware it was the aim of the glowies to agitate against Western imperialism and work towards the removal of Western bourgeois governments.
No.494067
>>494064>If we're luckyIdealist ultra
>CrimeaThey were already there, Crimea always was Russia. Read history you insufferable faggot. Honestly Hitler went after the wrong race. Should have wiped out the anglos instead
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But yeah we need Karelia back. Its just geopolitics between capitalist nations.
No.494069
>>494067>Crimea always was RussiaIt was universally legally recognized as part of Ukraine, the Soviets themselves ceded it to the Ukrainian SSR. It was legally part of Ukraine when Russia deployed troops there, i.e. it was an invasion of Ukraine by Russia.
No.494070
>>494064>Post what?Don't play idiot, post your public attendances where you speak how illegal is, how fraud is a capitalist voting system to a massive public audience pointing out they are not legit politicians, to see if that's true.
You can't because you don't do it. I am not getting lectured by useless ultras.
>>494064
>Whoever wins the proletariat loses>but better side against Russians, despite supporting the ones that would smash literally nazis>>494064
>If we're lucky workers in Ukraine may become better organized and push against both Russian and Western encroachment. HE SAID THE MAGIC WORD NOOOOO
LUCKYAW LAWL, he waits for, wait for it
LUCKYlmao the best ultra possible
where's the material analysis?
what do you fucking think it would be possible for communism to rise if the
literally nazi arrives to power, not capitalist, regular capitalists, but
nazis>>494064
>Crimea.Crimea was theirs since the Ukreinia declared independence from the USSR. Keep dilating, you prove you have your NATO preference in order to dig in the tiniest, less traumatic, military events that Russia created, while, the WORST SHIT EVER, funded by ANIT-COMMUNISTS like the NATO is, is on the brink to declare war, with NAZI support to Russia.
Oh, but they are the same, 100% suuuure they are
irony in this line
>The USSR was not a capitalist country, RE-READ.
I am talking whatever thing existed through the tzar overthrow and before the USSR.
IT WAS A CAPITALIST STATE so again
I guess according to your idealist, pseud thinking
THE USSR WAS IMPERIALISTaw lawl.
What I have to read.
No.494072
>>494067> Should have wiped out the anglos insteadevery single bad thing in this planet can be traced to the anglo.
if i had a time machine i would nuke the prehistoric british isles so to prevent the anglos from existing
No.494073
>>494072You would just hurt the celts. Anglos aren't even from Britain, they are settlers there too. They are rejects and losers kicked out if everywhere else
No.494075
>>494069I respect your posts, but come off with this liberalism
No.494077
>>494070>post your public attendances where you speak how illegal is, how fraud is a capitalist voting system to a massive public audience pointing out they are not legit politicians, to see if that's true. You can't because you don't do it<If you don't dox yourself by posting a video where you denounce Western imperialism at a rally then this is proof that you don't denounce it in conversations with people you knowFlawless logic.
>>but better side against Russians, despite supporting the ones that would smash literally nazisSmash the Nazis only to replace them with other anti-communists.
>what do you fucking think it would be possible for communism to rise if the literally nazi arrives to power, not capitalist, regular capitalists, but nazisThe Nazis are already in power Anon, and of course I hope that Ukrainian comrades will organize against them and be victorious, and I will do my part to help them by agitating against my own government and its support for Ukrainian fascism. But that's not the issue here, the issue is whether or not Russia is preferable. Are Russian capitalists more friendly to communism than Western or Ukrainian capitalists are? Don't they not also have economic interests which are irreconcilably opposed to those of the proletariat? Won't they use political terror against the working class to protect their power? It's pretty hilarious that you are accusing me of not having a materialist analysis when you're spouting this shit. Fascism is capitalism in decay, which means that every capitalist is a Nazi in waiting. Russian porkies will go Nazi the minute communists threaten them.
>I am talking whatever thing existed through the tzar overthrow and before the USSRYou mean the Russian Republic? Yes, it was imperialist, that's why the Bolsheviks overthrew it lmao.
>I guess according to your idealist, pseud thinking THE USSR WAS IMPERIALISTNo because it was socialist. I said that capitalist countries inevitably become imperialist, hence Russia will as well (and imo already is). What does that have to do with the USSR?
>>494071Ok opportunist.
No.494078
>>494077>Flawless logic.
>not posting proofs of his based ultra-aktionPost discarded. Not reading your shit ITT anymore.
No.494079
>>494078Why don't you post proofs of you agitating against imperialism? Please dox yourself for everybody.
No.494080
>>494079I live in Venezuela, you fucking idiot, I already have a revolution, one to defend from westerners that can't start their socialist revolution, and thanks to Russia and China we survived the worst of the NATO financial (and probably invasions) attacks.
Keep larping as communist you idealist ultra.
No.494081
>>494080Europeans dont really give a shit about your country but Americans insist taking sides.
No.494082
>>494080>nd thanks to Russia and China we survived the worst of the NATO financial (and probably invasions) attacksThat's great. I fully support the Bolivarian revolution and hope your country is victorious against NATO aggression. I also am glad that your country was able to take advantage of the conflict between Russia and the US to strengthen your revolutionary government. There's nothing wrong with this. However this doesn't mean that the Russian government has any concern with the success of socialism, or anti-imperialism as such. While they may cynically help your country against the US, they themselves repress and abuse communists within their own borders. They do to the communist movement and workers in their own country what the Yankee imperialists want to do to you. A Russia governed by communists would be a far stronger, and more steadfast ally to your own revolution than the reactionary bourgeois government could ever be.
No.494083
>>494082china has a weird relationship with its maoists and workers movements tho. they usually target the right wing liberals but tend to show some restraint towards maoists or workers
its a interesting situation
No.494084
>>494069It's not an ""invasion"" there was a referrendum and the people voted for joining russia. You're also a supported of settler colonialism so it comes as no surprise to me you support imperialism to subjugate people who don't want to live under a nazi government
No.494085
>>494084>It's not an ""invasion"" there was a referrendum and the people voted for joining russiaThe referendum happened after Russian troops were already there.
No.494086
>>494083Maybe its because the Maoists don't aim to balkanize the country or to devastate it as liberals and far right auntology people do in China.
No.494087
>>494086and also because china is officially still a communist country and attacking maoists that share your ideals
is basically attacking the political justification for your state and thus would be a stupid thing to do
No.494088
>>494081Most political figures from the real left would pick Russia over NATO any day. In here we see ultras. See how he never answered about the proofs of the fraud claimed by some random communists after I told him it was given (like 24 hours or more) time to present the proofs.
They behave like the CIA paid anarchists, and it is sad to watch they would side over a faction that has murdered millions only from 2000, something Russians haven't done. He wants to project what their rulng class do to their communists into other ruling classes.
Fuck, one of the sites that were constantly cited in the Kazhak thread claiming it wasn't a color revolution had a PCV statement talking about the Venezuela status, it was so flippant. They didn't even mentioned sanctions anymore, they never said that the salaries are seeing a slow, but steady growth, and worst, they never mentioned the marvelous achievement of going UP again the oil production above 1 million after. Fuck those ultras that through the duopoly of the AD-COPEI (Liberal-Christian democrat) never achieved, not only to assimilate Marx into Venezuela like Chavez indeed was able to do it, their leadership sold-out immediately after the USSR disintegration (Petkof was economy minister of Caldera who liberalized many stuff and shat on the workers salaries, Pompeyo Marquez conspired against Chavez, etc).
That same site quotes the KPFR, the same KPFR that the sabopseud cites to talk about communists in the Donbas republic, not digging a little why, despite being very popular the communism in that region (by votes by regions since Ukraine become independent), the party forbidden to vote didn't cause any relevant uprising.
I never mentioned that in those threads because it wasn't relevant to attack the quotes of what the KPFR was saying about Kazhak because my position was to wait and see, instead of running like the ultras pretending it was a socialist revolution.
Aw lawl, I saw more socialist allegories in the U.S. George Floyd protests than in Kazhak, and the ultras in here never call it a socialist revolution.
Anyway,
tl; dr
sabotard sides with literal nazis, argues the capitalists ruling class of Russia is at the same level as the NATO ruling class, repeats the old tactics used by the CIA "neither side" during the cold war. Stay away from these fraudsters.
No.494089
>>494088Whoops
>kpfrmeant to say RKRP
No.494090
>>494088If Russian capitalists threaten to kill your family how would you react?
No.494091
>>494088>See how he never answered about the proofs of the fraud<Russia’s opposition has alleged massive election fraud, and videos flooded social media during the vote showing apparent ballot stuffing. <Independent data scientists and analysts said Tuesday that half of all the votes attributed to United Russia in the official results were probably fake — a level of falsification previously unseen in Russian parliamentary elections.<Prominent physicist Sergei Shpilkin, who has become well-known for his post-election data analysis of possible fraud, estimated on Tuesday that genuine support for United Russia was around 31-33%, while actual nationwide turnout was probably 38%. That compares with official results that saw United Russia score 50% on an official turnout of 52% — suggesting that around 14 million of United Russia’s official votes were fraudulent. <Opinion polls before the election showed nationwide support for the ruling party were at historic lows of below 30%.https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/09/21/statisticians-claim-half-of-pro-kremlin-votes-in-duma-elections-were-false-a75102So in other words we have a government with a proven history of rigging elections against communists as they did in the 90s, and in addition to statistical anomalies there were literally videos of ballot boxes being stuffed, plus the outcome of the election being completely different from polls which showed United Russia's popularity slipping. Nope, nothing suspicious here. Clearly its impossible that a right wing government like Russia's would rig an election to keep the communists out of power.
>some random communists It wasn't "some random communists," it was the CPRF, which is by far the largest socialist organization in the country, and ironically enough usually avoids butting heads with Putin. The fact that they challenged him so openly recently shows how bad shit is really getting.
>they would side over a faction that has murdered millions only from 2000, something Russians haven't doneThe capitalist class that currently rules Russia murdered millions in the 90s through shock therapy and privatization. They're literally responsible for the largest decline in human life expectancy ever recorded. They are just as bad as any other porkies.
>He wants to project what their rulng class do to their communists into other ruling classes.All ruling classes are anti-communist Anon, they are so by their very nature, they are literally incapable of being anything else.
>sabotard sides with literal nazisOn the contrary I hope Ukrainian comrades rise up and kill them all, and I will work to thwart my own government efforts to support fascism in Ukraine. What I don't want is for Ukraine's Nazi regime to simply be replaced by another group of bloodsucking porkies who love the Tsar and Orthodox Church.
>argues the capitalists ruling class of Russia is at the same level as the NATO ruling classThey are, they have the same class interests. Read Marx.
>epeats the old tactics used by the CIA "neither side" during the cold warRussia is not the USSR. The people you are shilling for are the very same people who dismantled the USSR and destroyed socialism in Russia.
No.494092
>Leftypol tankies unironically shilling for Yeltsin’s protege because he supports the interests of the Russian bourgeoisie over the US bourgeoisie
You love to see it
No.494094
>>494091the current putin regime is a drigsme regime that controls the porkies(to a certain degree). As such, the current regime is partially preferable than nato porkies, since the porkies in russia have to abide by putin somewhat. Why else do you think in the russian state the gov is increasingly nationalizing and taking over key industries(this is happening) and bringing more private companies under state influence.
However i will admit due to its nature of the dirigsme regime, the state also has to appeal and support the porkies too. Because a dirigsme regime also requires the support of big buisness while at the same time paradoxically the control of buisness.
As thus the putin regime is preferable than the fully big buisness controled govs of the west. However that doesnt change the fact supporting putins regime is still in the issue in that the balance of power may just go to the corporations. The paradox that i mentioned earlier gov support corp, but corp must support gov is not gonna dissapear and rather accelerate once putin dies or retires. ANd theres a chance judging from a simmilar putin figure (park chung hee) that the corporations might just win and fully conquore the state while the state retreats and becomes a weak liberal state.
or maybe the communists take over idk
No.494095
>>494094>paradoxically the control of buisness.uh what i meant to say is
paradoxically controlling buisness
No.494096
>>494091>Russia’s opposition has alleged massive election fraud, and videos flooded social media during the vote showing apparent ballot stuffing. >Independent data scientists and analysts said Tuesday that half of all the votes attributed to United Russia in the official results were probably fake — a level of falsification previously unseen in Russian parliamentary elections.>Prominent physicist Sergei Shpilkin, who has become well-known for his post-election data analysis of possible fraud, estimated on Tuesday that genuine support for United Russia was around 31-33%, while actual nationwide turnout was probably 38%. That compares with official results that saw United Russia score 50% on an official turnout of 52% — suggesting that around 14 million of United Russia’s official votes were fraudulent. >Opinion polls before the election showed nationwide support for the ruling party were at historic lows of below 30%.None of that is proof you dingus.
See the wording
"suggesting"
"previously"
Also
>The lolcow times, literally NATO funded.>The Moscow Times currently belongs to a limited liability company which is 51% owned-by Vladimir Dzhao, the CEO of an airline catering company, 30% by Svetlana Korshunova, general director of the paper, and 19% by Derk Sauer, the original founder of the paper. Speaking to Kommersant, Derk Sauer explained that this is merely to comply with a Russian law which prohibits foreigners from controlling more than 20% of any Russia-based media company, since Sauer is a Dutch citizen. He further said that Vladimir Dzhao is an old friend of his, and "he does not control the publication, he is a partner"Only from Wikipedia
>>494091>CPRF,It was the RKRP. The cprf was more centered in their posts.
>>494091>All ruling classes are anti-communist AnonI am saying the ones that bomb children in Yemen vs. the one who doesn't.
No.494097
>>494094>the current putin regime is a drigsme regime that controls the porkies(to a certain degree)Russia's government has a class character like any other, and that class character is definitively bourgeois. Even if they follow a more centralized model, this is ultimately done in service of the ends of the bourgeoisie as a whole. Certainly they are no more sympathetic to communism than any Western country.
>>494096>None of that is proof you dingus.<Videos of ballot stuffing, statistical irregularities, and results which are vastly different from the polls aren't proof.And I'll remind you that we literally know for a fact that this has happened before.
>It was the RKRPNo it was the CPRF, they literally sued the government over it, after which the police came after them.
https://www.newsweek.com/communist-party-members-detained-russia-group-sues-over-election-results-1633996>I am saying the ones that bomb children in Yemen vs. the one who doesn't.Why does the American ruling class bomb children in Yemen Anon? They do it because they are structurally compelled by the economic laws of capitalism to endlessly seek out profits, and to use violence in pursuit of this end. Russia's capitalists are driven by these exact same forces, and would not hesitate to do the same. It is the fundamental structural forces of capitalism which compels the capitalists to behave in this way, and these forces have no concern for a person's nationality. They operate universally, and drive all bourgeois states towards ruthless imperialism.
No.494098
>>494097Really, isn’t it the Saudi bourgeoisie that’s directly bombing Yemenis as part of their own regional imperialist project and the US is just arming them since the Saudi regional empire is folded in to the US global empire?
No.494099
>>494097on the contrary i argue there is such a thing as dual structure.
where you have extreme nationalism, where a extreme nationalist militarist comes in alongside his allies, come in and takes over the state, and while gives the big buisness money and profits, at the same time expect the big buisness to work for the state or the nation. This has happened in cases like sk under park, taiwan under chiang, japan under the ministry of international trade and industry and etc.
a sorta reciprocal relationship where the state ties economic goals in exchange for economic support. For the state is not fully for the borg because the borg would not want this type of situation. Instead the borg would rather not want economic targets and rather want mass corruption that gives them a freebee. And yet the putin state expects some shit from the corporations themselves . Implying that the putin state has some degree of control which in a fully porkie controlled scenario, that would be impossible.
The problem is that ultimately this model is not sustaniable because eventually one side will win out. You have private corporations that want profit and because the state fattened them up they increase in power. And thus the corporations will naturally decide to seek greater independence especially once the current ruling head and his old allies die or retire.
and thus you have a showdown but ultimately due to how capitalism breeds liberalism, and causes the rise of petit borg, the new people that take over, and the masses start supporting big buisness or support free market systems.
No.494100
>>494098>isn’t it the Saudi bourgeoisie that’s directly bombing Yemenis as part of their own regional imperialist project and the US is just arming them since the Saudi regional empire is folded in to the US global empire?Yes, but actually Russia and Saudi Arabia have themselves been developing closer ties recently. They've signed military cooperation agreements, so it seems like Russia really has no problem with the Saudis bombing Yemen into the stone age, and is actually just wants to sell them the bombs to do it. It really seems like Russia's only objection to the US is that the Americans get all the most lucrative profits from imperialism, leaving those poor oppressed Russian billionaires with nothing but their own people to exploit. Just like WW1 this is a struggle between two groups of bloodsuckers for control of victims.
>>494099>where you have extreme nationalism, where a extreme nationalist militarist comes in alongside his allies, come in and takes over the state, and while gives the big buisness money and profits, at the same time expect the big buisness to work for the state or the nationThe state has no character independent of the class forces which animate it. All those regimes you named were thoroughly capitalist through and through, they simply directed state power to serve the long term interests of the bourgeoisie as a class.
No.494101
>>494100oh really lets look at the sk state for example
>nationalized the banks forcing porkie to follow the state>arrested the top chaebol leaders and then only let them go if they follow the state directives in the first year plan>Most of the top 10 chaebols lose their economic position through the 1960s and 70s and are replaced by companies that followed what the state wanted>the state specifically park kept a vault of evidence that could be used to arrest the chaebols at any moment as an incentive>the state passing multiple laws specifically in the car industry that saw the death of multiple car companies except for the nationalistic car company that followed what the state wanted.>books like the harvard one by ezra vogel talking about how the state supported big buisness only if the big buisness did what the state wante d them to do>the state activetly resisted compaies attempt to set up a private steel industry and kept it a state owned industry
<japan>powerful japanese governing agency known as the ministry of international trade industry>monopolized control of foriegn exchange to the point japanese companies had no choice in the 1950s to follow the state directions to a certain degree>companies absolutely despised miti and wanted miti gone by the 1970s due to mitis heavy handed governance>miti banning the importing of shit like computers or delaying it as much as possible even tho companies didnt want ittaiwan
>banned large scale private companies until the 1960s No.494102
>>494101And yet all those states are thoroughly pro-capitalist, pro-imperialist, and anti-communist, and they were the same way at the time. Again, the fact that the state may be directed against individual capitalists does not mean that it doesn't serve the interests of capitalists as a whole. The state does not stand above class antagonisms.
No.494103
>>494097>and that class character is definitively bourgeois.and you forget to mention that over the last two decades the communist party has raised the number of seats on Duma steadily.
You still are siding with NATO's.
No.494104
>>494102>and anti-communistSo anti-communist, they allow to grow steadily their Duma control over the last decades.
Meh, as I said, not worth talking to l/pol/ ultras.
No.494105
>>494102 >Again, the fact that the state may be directed against individual capitalists does not mean that it doesn't serve the interests of capitalists as a wholeand yet in the case of sk most corporations that came to the top were the companies that followed what the state wanted. So in the case of sk for the capitalist in the whole only the ones that followed the state were the ones that rose up, became large, and etc. So when the entire economic system was organized in such a way that the only companies that went up were ones that followed the state goals, and the ones that didnt follow the states goals(which were the old top 10 chaebols) fell to the ground then what does that say?
> pro-capitalist, pro-imperialist, and anti-communist, park chung hee cant be simplified as a pro capitalist if you investigate his ideological evolution.
pro imperialist maybe, but even in the case of pro communist, well lets just say park chung hee was a former member of a communist organization, and his brother was very left wing.
also these three things do not necessarily debunk what i meant. Sure you can be pro capitalist but you can also be pro i want to control power. And in the case of the sk regime, the military came to power after every single class was discredited. the old nobility was destroyed, the chaebols were associated with extreme corruption and etc, and not only that extremely finacially weak, the petit borg did not exist in any capacity yet, and the communist movements were tragically annihlated. And thus the military came in took over and arrested the chaebol. So yes the state stands above in certain situations, when every single class has been extremely weakened to the point the state can fully control everything.
No.494107
>>493868Lenin was speaking to pre-capitalist forms of feudal imperialism. Russia was still semi-feudal during WWI, so Lenin observed that, because it had a small, highly developed monopoly capitalist class AND a very large, expansionist feudal militarist apparatus, Russia was a proper imperialist power. Japan was a similar situation.
No.494108
primary contradictions and secondary contradictions?
No.494109
>>493868Sabo fag at it again
Do you read lenin, at all? Or do you sit around trying to understand imperialism from scratch and fire up leftypol
<Of course, finance capital finds most “convenient”, and derives the greatest profit from, a form of subjection which involves the loss of the political independence of the subjected countries and peoples. In this respect, the semi-colonial countries provide a typical example of the “middle stage”. It is natural that thestruggle for these semidependent countries should have become particularly bitter in the epoch of finance capital, when the rest of the world has already been divided up.Colonial policy and imperialism existed before the latest stage of capitalism, and even before capitalism. Rome, founded on slavery, pursued a colonial policy and practised imperialism. But “general” disquisitions on imperialism, which ignore, or put into the background, the fundamental difference between socio-economic formations, inevitably turn into the most vapid banality or bragging, like the comparison: “Greater Rome and Greater Britain.”5<Even the capitalist colonial policy of previous stages of capitalism is essentially different from the colonial policy of finance capital
<but “general” disquisitions on imperialism, which ignore, or put into the background, the fundamental difference between socio-economic formations, inevitably turn into the most vapid banality or bragging<Even the capitalist colonial policy of previous stages of capitalism is essentially different from the colonial policy of finance capital<is essentially different from the colonial policy of finance capital No.494110
Nothing of this would be happening if ukranians had just been asimilated during soviet times.
No.494111
>>494109Wow you really are just….aggressively retarded, aren’t you?
That passage isn’t about how muh finance capital is the only imperialism that exists you fucktard, it’s about describing the imperialism specific to finance capital and what it’s actually doing.
Did you even read the passage yourself? Specifically the part where he notes that imperialism existed even before capitalism? What you just quoted directly?
No.494112
>>494096<The ones that bomb children in YemenBold of you to come out against China in this way anon
No.494113
>>494103>>494104The KPD was able to gain seats in the Reichstag, so I guess this means that the Weimar Republic wasn't an anti-communist state? The PCF was able to grow dramatically in the wake of WW2, does this mean that France was not an anti-communist state? All bourgeois states are anti-communist by definition.
>>494109>Do you read lenin, at all? Yes, which is why I don't take sides in conflicts between imperialist countries. You people are the ones taking Neo-Kautskyite positions here.
<is essentially different from the colonial policy of finance capitalOf course it's different, that doesn't mean it's better. The imperialistic tendencies of the predominantly feudal Russian Empire were obviously different than those of capitalist Germany. Yet Lenin still regarded both as entities that needed to he destroyed, and holding this position and working to overthrow the Tsar didn't make Lenin pro-German. The imperialistic tendencies of Russia's bourgeoisie are somewhat different from that of America, but they are still imperialistic tendencies. If you actually understood Lenin you would know that all capitalist countries inevitably develop in the direction of imperialism. Why is Russia an exception?
No.494114
>>493929>Of course Russian state-owned media isn't capitalist, class-character of the state??? Wuts that hurr durrr shitCapitalists arent one unified bloc, just like Socialists. Literally think for a second with your burger brain who the Dems represent and who the Reps rep.
No.494115
>>493760rolling for a happening i hope to have choppers flying over my house by tomorrow morning
and ofc the draft
No.494116
>>494113Anti-material analysis again? In Russia, you don't have a prominent party that is repeating killing the jews every day, or kill the Muslims, or is planning to become fascistic. Russians are anti-fascists, to begin with, that-s is why nationalists, no matter how they ally between them, haven't managed to earn more than 7% of the seats.
You keep talking like you know a lot of Russia, you know shit. Pure idealism, like if in Bolivia Evo didn't achieve power through votes, like if Nicaragua Sandinistas didn't achieve power through votes, which contradicts your shit ideology.
Keep supporting
literally nazis by not picking a side.
No.494117
>>494116>In Russia, you don't have a prominent party that is repeating killing the jews every day, or kill the MuslimsYou just have people who shill for the Tsar and Russian Orthodox church, and claim that the Bolsheviks were "mostly Jewish".
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/25/vladmir-putin-accuses-lenin-of-placing-a-time-bomb-under-russiahttps://www.haaretz.com/jewish/1st-soviet-gov-t-was-80-jewish-says-putin-1.5282900>or is planning to become fascisticGovernments don't plan to become fascistic. Fascism is a response by the bourgeoisie when worker's power begins to actually threaten their rule. Russia is a bourgeois country, and as such it will turn to fascism like the rest of them if threatened by the proletariat.
>Keep supporting literally nazis by not picking a side.How can you accuse me of supporting Nazis when I keep urging Western comrades to frustrate the efforts of NATO in Ukraine?
No.494118
>>494116This is fucking radlib tier mate
>Oof you won’t vote for Grandpa Joe? Don’t you see Trump is literally a Nazi? Guess you’re supporting fascism 🤨 No.494119
Sabocat is either a fed or a closet-lib for spending all his free time attacking Russia and China
Critical support for Russia and China in their struggle against the collapsing USA empire
No.494121
>>494120bruh literally who cares. we are random losers on an obscure imageboard populated by teenagers with sub 100 autism score. Our "allegiances" don't mean shit. I just want the world to burn.
No.494122
>>494121Then why are you bitching about me being a fed lmao.
No.494123
>>494121>Populated by teenagersProjecting
No.494124
>>494122because I'm bored and what you're doing is pathetic
No.494125
>>494124Then don't fedjacket retard. Call out actual fed rhetoric like the ancom flag guy, (not bloodgasm he's cool), and don't mindlessly water down the accusation of being a fucking federal agent.
No.494128
>>494126Based Turkey, last scion of the KARA BOGA Empire is the wildcard
In the darkest hour, as Perfidious Albion (the fusion of all Anglo countries into one,
ALL THE ANGLO) stands above the Last Alliance of Communist Nations in Defense of the UN (Russia, China, and Iran),
KARA BOGA shall rise, and in a final act of defiance, it will sacrifice itself to cast down the insidious Anglo into the fiery inferno of history’s greatest villains
KARA BOGA No.494129
>>494126From News Anon
Erdogan Warns Russia Against Invading UkraineTurkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Tuesday warned Russia against invading Ukraine, calling the former Soviet republic a "powerful" country with international friends. Turkey's supply of combat drones to Ukraine has drawn the wrath of Russia, which fears they could be used by Kyiv in its years-long conflict in two regions of the Moscow-backed separatist east.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/01/18/erdogan-warns-russia-against-invading-ukraine-a76074 No.494130
>>494128Irish were descended from moors, who came from the halstatt celts. Thus irish are black and are brothers to the kara bogas in our fight against the angloids
No.494133
>>494121Sounds like projection. With that said, I do think that Sabocat isn’t thinking critically about the whole Russia/Ukraine thing. For one thing, the oligarchs in Russia just aren’t as powerful or even as competent as the ones in the US in terms of the influence and exploitation they can impose on the country.
No.494134
>>494121>bruh literally who cares. we are random losers on an obscure imageboardI agree
>populated by teenagers with sub 100 autism score.Don't be mean to Sage.
>Our "allegiances" don't mean shit. I just want the world to burn.le edgy teenager spotted
No.494135
>>494133>For one thing, the oligarchs in Russia just aren’t as powerful or even as competent as the ones in the US in terms of the influence and exploitation they can impose on the country.Oh really? What institutions of proletarian power are keeping them in check?
No.494136
>>494135It’s not so much institutions of power inasmuch as their oligarchs keep tripping over their own feet. Moreover, the likelihood of pro-sovietism, if not openly pro-communist sentiment is more likely, granted this would only decrease the worst excesses of decommunization and not necessarily promote any communist movement.
No.494137
>>494131hey retard if you're so bored why don't you go kill yourself
No.494138
>>494119sabocat is a faggot who likes to get fucked in the ass, I've seen it
No.494140
>>494139they say all politics are sexual pathology
No.494142
>>494119>You have to suck the dick of China or Russia if not you suck the US's dickWhat an impressive argument
No.494143
>>494142>What an impressive argumentIt quite is, although it's probably easier to defend Russia or China without dick sucking than it is to implicitly defend storeshittistahn without chocking on mutilated burger dick
No.494144
>>494128God created them to protect the KARA BOGA in Africa from the wh*toid scum . Turks are the attack force of the BLACK race. This is why TÜRKS conquered Europe around the same time the BLACK KANGZ were attacked in Afrika. They destroyed the wh7te capital of CONSTANTINOPLE and replaced it with ISTANBULL, to honour our BLACK BULL (KARA BOGA) nature.
Luckily from the furthest we can get from Europe in Turkey, the north east GEORGIAN BLACK territory, a new KARA BOGA rose for the first time since Mustafa JAMAL. RECEP TAYIPP ERDOGAN (REIS) destroyed all wh8te LAICITE devils and restored himself as the KANGZ of TÜRKIYE. Now the BLACK KARA BOGA TÜRKS must struggle against the wh6tes to end that accursed race once and for all.
No.494145
There's a bill going to the russian Duma, with support of all parties, for recognizing the Donbass Republic and Lugansk Republic as independent, sovereign, countries.
No.494146
>>494119Pragmatic support for Russia. Full support for China. They are not comparable.
No.494149
>>493760"Prior to his acting career, Zelensky obtained a degree in law from Kyiv National Economic University. Nonetheless, Zelensky pursued comedy and created a production company, Kvartal 95, which produces films, cartoons and TV comedy shows, including Servant of the People, in which Zelensky played the role of President of Ukraine. The series aired from 2015 to 2019 and was immensely popular. "
He Played a President on Ukrainian TV. Now He Wants the Real Thing.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/16/world/europe/ukraine-election-tymoshenko-zelensky-poroshenko.htmlLow Expectations For Ukraine TV Star President Zelensky’s Meet With Biden
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2021/08/22/low-expectations-for-ukraine-tv-star-president-zelenskys-meet-with-biden/Ukrainian Presidential Hopeful Admits Russian Assets, Promise To Divest
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukrainian-presidential-hopeful-admits-russian-assets-promise-to-divest/29720448.htmlZelensky "surprised" and "disappointed" by Biden pipeline move
https://www.axios.com/zelensky-biden-ukraine-russia-nord-stream-pipeline-fe50756b-6b82-43f0-b390-734ea3e95de0.htmlUkraine Uses Turkish Drone Against Russia-Backed Separatists For First Time
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-turkish-drone-separatists/31532268.htmlYes, 'Slavnaya Ukraina and Friends' will be renewed for another season and Putin will return as the wacky neighbor who thinks poor innocent Nazis who just want what's best from EVROPA shouldn't run the police and national guard of a functioning state. Executive Producer TBD US backed corporate shill. Special Guest Recep Erdoğan the arms dealer and part time dictator.
No.494150
I am, like lenin himself, hoping for a russian defeat as that would certainly cause an internal rrvolution that left wing parties coul exploit however I still want the nazi fucks to get BTFOd so im kinda torn.
No.494153
>>698827
The Azov batallion, which I mean are literal Nazis, is part of the official army now. The government also didn't persecute Nazi crimes like the burning of a trade union center in Odessa.
>the goverment isn't going around killing jews
Maybe not that but they outlawed the Communist Party.
No.494154
>>494148<Thousands of anti tank missilesWhat if Ukraine is gonna attack Donbass Republic preemptively?
No.494155
>>494152That's the Invade South Korea signal
No.494156
>>494155 (me)
>>494152also that numbers station has been hijacked plenty of times by trolls lmao, don't think too much about it No.494157
>>494148>Do you think Ukraine has the balls to do this?If they get assurances from NATO or EU, why not. Alone of course they won't do shit
No.494158
>>698827
ukraiuyghur detected
No.494160
>>698827
Weak cope.
No.494161
>>494159>2022 will be the year for giving birth to a whole new worldgod dayme
No.494163
>>494153> Maybe not that but they outlawed the Communist Party.So did Kazakhstan but Putinfags were shilling their government heavily and calling widespread working class protests a “color revolution” and celebrated them being violently put down, so….
No.494164
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has said Russia could attack Ukraine "on very short notice" and warned again of tough sanctions if it did.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60048395 No.494165
>>494163That happened years ago under a different President and none of the demands of the protestors demanded a legalization.
Iran also outlawed their communists but that doesn't mean I support regime change against the Iranian government.
No.494166
>>494165>Under a different PresidentToday in dogshit standards we don’t apply to the US but do apply to countries cucked to governments we support for some fuckin reason
No.494167
>>494166>Ignoring pieces of the post for your own convenienceYou hate to see it
No.494169
>>494166>every situation is the same in a vacuum >protests = automatically goodI didn't even form an opinion on the Khazakstan situation but you are insufferable.
No.494171
>>494169Lmao
So this is how you cope with cucking yourself to a government that banned the communist party in their country and put down mass protests so long as that government is also cucked out to Russia which you support (uncritically, mind you) solely because it isn’t allied to America and literally nothing else
No.494172
>>494171Getting rid of the US empire is the number one priority for humanity right now. Go cry somewhere else.
No.494173
>>494169You don’t have a “opinion” on Kazakhstan, you have an opinion on Russia, which is support and defense no matter what and no matter who you’re talking to, since you take your cues from that particular state you’ll come up with a Devil’s advocate for siding with an anti-communist state putting down mass protests
No.494174
>>494172>Le America when justifying my constant support for anti-communists and bourgeois statesYou’re a fucking worm
No.494175
>>494174And you suck NATO's cock.
No.494176
>>494171>So this is how you cope with cucking yourself to a governmentI literally wrote:
<I didn't even form an opinion on the Khazakstan situation but you are insufferable.A Chinese guy once said "no investigation no right to speak". Basically this applies to me regarding the Khazakstan situation. But however what I can apply is basic logic telling me that you are a faggot only looking for signifiers ("they protest" = good) with no informed opinion on the situation whatsoever. Imagine to just cut-and-paste your set of abstract moral principlies to all kinds of different situations when Ukraine very clearly had an increasing right-wing shift towards fascism, with fascists making grounds within the institutions of the Ukrainian state, which does threaten people. Vid related is a very good video about this and it's not blindly pro-Russia.
>to Russia which you support (uncritically, mind you) solely because it isn’t allied to America and literally nothing elseLiterally nobody in the world reasons like that, it's the most inflammatory strawman shit I have ever seen and you are a massive faggot and should kill yourself. I've talked to Ukrainian trade unionists, who
are persecuted, and they all notice the increasing radicalization of Ukrainian societal discourse, useing historical revisionism to re-evaluate Ukraine's relationship with the Nazi occupation and other things. To that the People's Republics of Donezk and Luhansk clearly present themselves as a counter-force, but you are too daft to see that in your game of false equivilancies.
No.494178
>>494176>I literally said I didn’t even form an opinion on Kazakhstan Then why the fuck are you speaking?
I don’t give a fuck about you or what you think
No.494179
>>494177NATO is the number 1 anti-communist international organization in the world. It's basically the anti-comintern since 1949. If you think Putin is even comparable to that you are a useful idiot and need to be shot.
No.494180
>>494175Putinoid cope
You fags know deep down you can’t justify holding open your asshole for some anticommunist porky shithole so all you can do is cry and seethe on a fucking communist board about how anyone that isn’t guzzling Russian jizz is “le NATO” as if we’re supposed to be taking sides in some potential nuclear war to drag us all down with various porkies lmao
No.494181
>>494173>You don’t have a “opinion” on Kazakhstan, you have an opinion on RussiaYes, that is both correct. I am somewhat informed about Russia but really not about Kazakhstan.
No.494182
>>494179The only one that should be shot is some Putinoid faggot that can only justify cucking himself to Russia by crying and shitting about how a bunch of communists are pro-NATO
No I’m not pro either you fucktard, I don’t support any faction of porkies unlike you
The difference between NATO and Russia is that nobody here sucks NATO cock but you can’t get Russia’s dick out of your mouth
No.494185
>>494178I didn't say anything about it. I just said that you can't compare the two situations, which is blatantly obvious. I said the Ukrainian government outlawed the Communist Party, whereas the protestors in Kazakhstan didn't demand to legalize it.
By the way, another big difference is that Ukraine has outlawed communism as such. All its symbols, and all the Trot and Maoist groups were axed as well. That is not the case in Kazakhstan.
No.494186
>>494183Don’t care, you’d probably be shilling Imperial Russia too
>>494184Ditto
What’s funny is, again, nobody tries shilling for NATO demanding us to take NATO’s side, you Putin shills won’t shut the FUCK up demanding us to support Russia, the fact that you have no real arguments beyond “Uhhh uhhh not shilling for Russia is supporting NATO” shows you’re full of shit and have an indefensible position
>But muh Russia is ackshually the modern USSRAnd you also shill anticommunist talking points to boot
No.494187
>>494186>>But muh Russia is ackshually the modern USSRYou really have nothing but strawmen, NATOboy.
No.494188
>>494186I'm not dignifying you leaking brain fluid with a response.
No.494190
>>494189Yea so basically nobody here votes so what the fuck are you talking about?
Why are you linking me news articles in a conversation that’s about leftypol?
No.494191
>>494187Projection
I’ve seen people say shit on par wih that unironically, like all the memes I see defending Russia, except the country in the meme is China, implication being Russia = China
Why the fuck is not supporting Russia controversial among
communists?
Have you forgotten you aren’t on fucking reddit and can drop the mindless support for a second?
>>494188At least you admit you have nothing to actually say
No.494192
>>494190>basically nobody here votesBurger and UK posters here been active in the Corbyn and Bernie campaigns. You can stop lying anytime now.
No.494196
Anyone who is supporting Russia in this needs to explain answer one simple question:
Was Kaisser Wilhelm right to invade Belgium?
Think about it…
>Belgium was a genocidal colonialist power
>Monarchist
>Not at all socialist
>Basically an anglosphere imperial puppet
Based Kaiser is just hindering the anglos you guyz!!!! Or in short:
<It's not imperialism when its conventional warfare!
No.494197
>>494191>What is critical support Against US Imperialism? Against an outright antisoviet regime that suppresses ANY communist activity, forget a party?
The Russian Oligarchy is incompetent, corrupt and also not really popular. Concerning Kazakhstan, after the protests were smothered, many of the protestors’ demands, especially economic ones like wages, were still granted. Without the US’s capacity for intervention actual, uncucked popular mass movements can occur without them being coopted.
No.494198
>>494196notice how namefags&tripfags have to worst takes ITT
No.494199
>>494197>What is critical supportSomething you Russia simps don’t actually engage in?
Remember the
critical part of critical support you fucking fag?
Now my question is, which side would you have critically supported in World War I?
No.494200
>>494199>>494196Completely inane parallel. In WWI we didn't have a global anti-communist alliance like NATO. The more ground NATO conquers, the less chance communism has worldwide.
No.494202
>>494198t. SDP circa 1914
No.494203
>literally all the derailing and belligerent trolling trying to steer away the topic from a very serious potential military escalation are name- and tripfags
Curious
No.494204
>>494200Reminder that the most successful act of anti-communism since Libya happened just a few week ago in Kazakhstan, carried out entirely by based wholesome anti-imperialist crypto socialist Putin and his benevolent oligarch sugardaddies.
No.494205
>>494203>The people with actual principles are also the ones that adhere the least to chantard cultureHow bizarre
No.494208
>>493931>>494203>US election>Biden shills show up>US election over>Biden shills never seen again>something happening in Ukraine maybe?>anti-Russia shills show up, an actual tripfaggot among themOkay, so it's definitely confirmed that Ukraine shit will escalate?
>>494205I don't understand what the Feds have to gain by shitting up a small leftist space, but we did get DDOS'd by a Chinese bot farm for talking about Thailand, so what do I know?
No.494210
>>494208Wow, a tankie shilling for the government that destroyed the USSR, why am I not surprised?
>Le fed!And yet here you are cheerleading the people who destroyed the most important socialist state in history and ushered in the era of blackest reaction
You people sicken me
No.494211
>>494206they're not even real.
all these tripfags are tripfagging so that their posts can be easily cataloged by their overseers and their handlers can test which talking points are most effective.
the amount of tripfag posts we have seen over the past few months astroturfing against russia/china/etc. have been astronomical. tripfagging has always been a super minor occurence in /leftypol/ and yet within the span of a couple months we are suddenly drowning in tripfag posts and there are now more tripfags than 8chan at the height of its popularity. it's so blatant.
No.494212
>>494210The important part is that Russia nukes USA (bonus for the rest of NATO). Afterwards, I don't care.
No.494213
>And finally the schizo spiral into how anyone using a feature the board offers is a fed because they don’t give into the narrative of vulgar “anti-imperialism” where “anti-imperialism” = blind support for anyone that opposes the West and anyone that won’t give said blind support = fed
And people here ask themselves why this board isn’t significant
What a fucking waste
No.494214
>>494211He forgot to log in here:
>>494210 No.494215
>>494206Cazarist Russia:
>Outlawed socialism>Lynches jews>Bans native languages>Opresses any resistance with Siberian banishment2nd Reich:
>Largest Social Democrat party in Europe>Fatherland of Marxism>Seeks equal economic Mitteleuropa trading sphere with the enslaved subjects of Russia>Seeks to curb imperialist panslavismWestern "leftists":
<your picrel No.494216
>Hundreds of post in
<Still nothing happening
True masters of the nothingburger
No.494217
>>494212So then you aren’t a communist, you’re just anti-US
You realize there are fucktons of people who are anti-US but not communists, so why are you LARPing as a red?
No.494218
>>494215>still trying so hard to force historic parallels from 100+ years ago that obviously don't workAt least you have "schizo" in your glow handle, so people can see the worth of your opinions.
No.494219
>>494214Your name turns off from time to time
That or it’s just one of the mods since Sage mentioned they like doing shit like this while shilling for states like Russia
No.494220
>>494199What is this cope? There was an actual comintern and even the bolshevik party that was there who analyzed and discussed WWI. The world was a FAR different place, which a Marxist should know.
And why are you refusing to address the argument I made concerning Russia and its Oligarchy? Could it be that you just want to soyrage about the “Putinists” are the Putinists in the room with us right now?
No.494221
>>494219Oh fuck you are sage? Ha. Didn't think so since you were samefagging in the other thread
No.494222
>>494220> What is this cope? There was an actual comintern and even the bolshevik party that was there who analyzed and discussed WWI. The world was a FAR different place, which a Marxist should know. And here you are, shilling for the government created by the very people that destroyed the state the bolsheviks created, fucking kill yourself you retarded self-loathing westernoid
No.494223
>>494209I guess we should call Lenin a fed then, because he took help from German glowuyghurs. Anyway, Kazakh revolution (and that what it fucking was you Putinoid simp, a recolution not terrorist attack), started not because muh omnipoten NED, but because of real fucking material conditions that lead workers to go up in arms over fuel prices. Textbook fucking insurgency against the old ruling class. But ofcourse your hyper partizan uighur brain can't handle the fact that US enemies can also be fuckheads. You are fucking Bordiga supporting the Nazies tier retard here.
No.494224
>>494215В отличии от настоящего уклада были сильные, действующие компартии в тогдашнее время.
No.494225
>>494213>schizo spiral>FBI agent accidentally reveals own 8chan posts; attempts to redirect white supremacist rage against Russiahttps://ceinquiry.wordpress.com/2019/06/17/fbi-8chan/Reminder FBI was confirmed stirring anti-Russian sentiment on 8/pol/. And that /leftypol/ was the most requested board to be deleted.
To say suggest that you're schizo of being suspicious of Feds amogus is very poor gaslighting.
No.494226
>>494222Tell me how exactly I was shilling, please
No.494227
I guess we are reaching the point where Putinoid roaches can only resort to calling people glowuyghurs for not supporting their hyperonline brand of autism that makes you support imperialism so long as its against US interests.
No.494228
>>494226Arguing with me to begin with
>>494225>8Chan, one of the absolute largest 4chan offshoots with actual influence IRL as evidenced by people like the New Zealand shooter = Leftypol, with literally no influence at all, as evidenced by hatred for people like Sage and CPUSA anon who are actually active in the real world beyond worthless shitposting No.494229
>>494228>evidenced by hatred for people like Sage and CPUSAbwahahaha
No.494230
>>494229Exactly, shitposting fag
No.494231
>>494222>b-b-but don't you bear a grudge against Russian liberals?Yes. But other, bigger grudges must be settled first. Good thing retards like you aren't in charge of the Book of Grudges.
No.494232
>>494199>Remember the critical part of critical support If Russia was still the Soviet Union, there would be Russian tanks driving through Kiev right now, and 10-20% of Ukraine would have been leveled by artillery. Because what you are asking for is basically criticism that Putin has a lot more mild responses to geopolitical provocations than the Soviets.
No.494233
>Constantly attack people who take the time to write effort posts and are actually active in the worker’s movement that exists in the real world
>Shill for capitalist states
>Shill for forcing workers to labor under conditions of mass death from a pandemic
<Call others “feds” for opposing you
Classic
No.494234
>>494228Don't put CPUSA anon with the likes of hyper online wastes like you, you shameless motherfucker
No.494235
>>494225I got banned from /leftypol/ because Krates was acting like a faggot
No.494236
>>494232>Russian Federation = Soviet RussiaSee, told you you would say it eventually ;)
No.494237
>>494225>OH NO THE FEDS ARE COMING TO GET ME OH NO!SO FUCKING WHAT? LETS ASSUME I AM A FUCKING FED, OK? DOES THAT MAKE YOU ANY MORE RATIONAL FOR SUPPORTING TEXTBOOK IMPERIALISM? OR DOES IT JUST MEAN I GOT MY WORK CUT OUT FOR ME AND THAT I JUST NEED TO POINT OUT THE OBVIOUS, THAT PUTIN (OR SHOULD I SAY THE OLIGARCHS THAT PULL HIS STRINGS) IS AN ANTICOMMUNIST PIECE OF SHIT WHO IS IN NO WAY ALIGNED WITH YOUR IDEOLOGY. BECAUSE HEY, US DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT COMMUNISM, BECAUSE THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT THE US. AND YES, IN THIS CASE THE "US INTERESTS" OF NOT HAVING UKRAINE FALL TO RUSSIAN SPHERE IS ALLIGNED WITH COMMUNIST INTERESTS
OF NOT STARTING A MURDEROUS FUCKING WAR DUE TO INTRA-IMPERIALIST CATFIGHTING. YOU ARE A FUCKING PSYCHO ON THE SAME TIER WITH NUKE THE MIDDLE EAST SCHIZOS IF YOU SUPPORT THIS UPCOMING BLOODBATH.
No.494238
>>494221At some point in the not so distant future all tripfags will combine into one entity somehow worse than each of them. They all genuinely start to sound the same.
No.494239
>>494237the only sensible take
No.494242
>>494238Yes, you’ll have effortposters that criticize you and actually are active outside all at once, what a nightmare
>>494234And yet you shit on him until it’s convenient not to, worthless cuckchanner ;)
No.494243
>>494228>Arguing with me to begin with This is a cope, fam. You clearly didn’t read what I wrote. So let me break it down:
<Russia’s bourgeoisie are incompetent and corrupt<They are also barely popular with only antiwestern sentiment for manufacturing consent <Organic popular dissent and mass movements run risk of being glow-oped via NATO interference <Kazakhstan’s protestors, despite the troop crackdown, won a lot of their demands such as raises in their wages, especially since NATO wasn’t really active there This might all be true, none of this might be true, but it’s on you to actually address the claims presented to you
No.494244
anyone who uses a tripcode/name that doesn't post bussy is a fed
No.494246
>>494242There is no way you are active in real life, in the reality we inhabit
No.494247
>>494237>YOU ARE A FUCKING PSYCHO ON THE SAME TIER WITH NUKE THE MIDDLE EAST SCHIZOS IF YOU SUPPORT THIS UPCOMING BLOODBATH.This is your brain on idealism. Russia is going to take back Ukraine because otherwise NATO will then put nukes closer to Moscow. Russia is avoiding a bigger catastrophe, that of nuclear war. It's project is completely sane. And you guys lost touch with reality completely with your "both sides" shit. The entirety of the cold war was spent by the soviets trying to stop the arms race, offer rational nuke negotiations, etc. all of which were denied by the USA.
The Russians were absolutely naive when they had their regime change and assumed that the USA will start rationally renegotiating these points. It won't. It's a genocidal war machine, and it has to be stomped out from the region before it becomes a bigger threat.
No.494248
>>494241THEN YOU ARE A FUCKING MOUTHBREATHER MONGOLOID WHO OPPERATES ON FUCKING CAVEMAN LOGIC OF "THINGS I FIND BASED VS THINGS I FIND CRINGE". SAME BRAIN AS RETARDS WHO SPLIT OFF FROM SOVIET COMMUNISM BECAUSE OF MOLOTOV-RIBENTROP
No.494249
>>494236NTA, but he said nothing of the sort.
This is the problem with fishing for (you)s, eventually you make yourself look like a petulant idiot
No.494250
>>494245>CollapsedSoviet collapse is unironically a fucking disgusting western myth
The USSR didn’t “collapse”, it was destroyed by the exact same people you simp for
And now you’re not only simping for them, but for a global nuclear holocaust because like half of all tankies you’re so fucking delusional you genuinely believe that 2021 pretty much is 1914
No.494251
>>494250Folks are arguing that Putin’s behavior is considerably milder than NATO’s response to it and that NATO will be more willing to launch the nukes first.
No.494252
>>494247>OH NO THEY WOULD PUT DA NUKES THAT MEANS RUSSIA WOULD BE NUKED!AR GIRDI KĄ TU ŠNEKI SUKRUŠTAS DALBAJOBAS NAXUI, URODAS PASKUTINIS BLET…
YOU ARE LITERALLY ARGUING FOR BAY OF PIGS CUZ MUH NUKES IN CUBA WOULD CAUSE WW3… BECAUSE THEY JUST WOULD OK?!?!?!?! SAME FUCKING PARANOIAC LOGIC AS BURGER HIGH COMMAND THAT ALMOST INVADED CUBA FULLY, EXCEPT THERE EVEN ARE NO NUKES PRESENT!
No.494253
Notice his dishonesty and double-think showing. He is first to bring in a completely nonsensical historical parallel with WW1 in the first place:
>>494199>which side would you have critically supported in World War I?and then proceeds to accuse others of the same:
>>494250>you genuinely believe that 2021 pretty much is 1914literal fed behavior. Doesn't matter what angle he takes, he just has an agenda to push.
No.494254
>>494250>>494248I see NATO "leftists" are still determined to make everyone sympathize with third-worldists. It's okay to be anxious, you have every reason to be. On unrelated note, do you live near the coast?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIW5EKhubj4 No.494255
>>494252Wrong president. You should use JFK.
No.494256
>>494252shut up you schizo, let the adults talk
go take your fucking meds or something
No.494257
>>494256>Adultst. 16yo hyperonline manchid who gets all his news only from trusty nonconformerific alternate media sources
No.494258
>>494252Comrade, when the USSR put nukes near Cuba in response to nukes being put in Turkey, the US was the one who was salivating over the button to detonate them. And the Soviets were the one that backed down first.
The US is clearly the one with a more aggressive foreign policy concerning Russia.
No.494260
FED shilling against media channels not approved by US state department:
>>494257 No.494261
>>494258stop calling him comrade, he's clearly pushing an agenda
No.494262
>>494245>WW1 was good for the socialist movement, akshullyYou fucking idiot. WW1 WAS WHAT KILLED GLOBAL COMMUNISM. IT MURDERED AN ENTIRE GENERATION OF PROLES. IT BROKE UP THE INTERNATIONAL BONDS BETWEEN SOCIALIST PARTIES. IT RESULTED IN A TOTAL DEFEAT OF FIRST WORLD COMMUNISTS. THE ONLY THING TO SHOW FOR IT SELF WAS USSR, AKA A REVOLUTION THAT WAS ALREADY BREWING EVER SINCE RUSSO JAPANESE WAR. AND ENDED UP CREATING A TOTALLY ISOLATED COMMUNIST STATE, THAT ITS A MIRACLE IT DIDN'T COLLAPSE BEFORE 91.
No.494263
>>494262How so? I would argue the failure of the German Revolution in 1919 was what blocked off World Communism by 2019
No.494264
>>494263>>494262off topic discussion
start a separate thread for this shit
No.494265
>>494254>Tankoid shilling for the government that destroyed the USSRLiterally nothing more needs to be said
And it isn’t remotely surprising either
No.494266
>>494261No, I respect our Baltoid Tripposter , unlike the shitty little newcomer.
No.494267
>>494266I don’t give a fuck if you respect me little chanfag cockroach
No.494270
>>494265>More pearlclutching You at least were more entertaining when trying to bantz
No.494271
>>494268Russia doesn’t want war either and I would argue is in a far more advanced state of decay and incompetence than the US. Same with much of the CIS and CSTO btw.
No.494272
>>494268>>Ignores that US is a dying powerA dying one isn't a dead one. The Tsarist regime was a dying power, yet posed real threat to foreign powers and its own communists.
>>Ignores that US military is unprepared for a real warThey have been sending weaponry and training personnel into Ukraine for the last few years. What fucking planet are you on, you cretin shill?
>Ignores that US has no interest in a warLMAO SOURCE? No.494273
>>494269Oh no leftypol anon resorted to the only schizo-tier argument they ever have when being told what a retarded piece of shit he is, how will I cope?
>>494270>Pearl clutching is pointing out how funny it is that tankies simp for the government that destroyed the Soviet Union and brought us into the era of global US dominanceIf I’m clutching pearls then what are you retarded ass lot doing?
Is this the sort of brain cancer 4chan taught you to operate with?
No.494274
>>494271>Russia […] is in a far more advanced state of decay and incompetence than the US.I'm amazed that's your impression after Syria.
No.494275
>>494273And that’s terrible. Still waiting on you to respond to my argument about the popularity and effectiveness of the Russian oligarchy, btw
No.494276
>>494273>leftypol anon>>494267>chanfag cockroachYou can either stop pretending that you are not one of us or could actually log off from this site. Both scenarios would at least make you consistent.
No.494277
>>494225>this site is so irrelevant, the FBI tries to maneuver to be drowned into rightwinger shitheads against Russia.and I was banned by a mod just because I gave shit responses to the sabotard.
Wake up mods.
No.494278
putin is a fucking retard that's gearing his country up to get assraped by the west a second time, this time militarily as well as economically
No.494279
>>494272>Sending weaponsOh boy! Ukraine got a shipment of US military-keynesianist waste byproduct! US is only as prepared to fight a war as long as it can have a proxy conflict to which they could ship off their guns. Actual real conventional war with a semi-equal power would be a disaster, as best demonstrated by the fact that in theor own predictions for a possible war with Iran, US would get its navy destroyed.
As for a war, there is literally no reason why US should start one with Russia. Ths only agressor could be Putin if he gets pushed into a corner, because the goto strat for US would just be waiting while Russia is economically strangled.
No.494280
>>494195lmao, these western leftists are genuinely idiots.
No.494281
>>494275That argument was correct, good for you
If you aren’t some braindead rightoid simping for Russia, congratulations, my post didn’t address you, want a cookie?
>>494276>Noooooo you must celebrate and love my holy chan culture, noooooooThis is the only chan site I use because I despise being around rightard fags unlike you
No.494282
>>494278He won't. Realistically what will happen is just US sending skme token gibs to Ukraine while it looses bad to Russia. Then Russia will just grab Russian majority regions and leave Ukraine as a failstate.
No.494283
>>494279>As for a war, there is literally no reason why US should start one with Russia.There's actually an excellent way to express this intent politically:
1) withdraw NATO from the East
2) start abolishing NATO in 10 years
Anything short of that will be called a bluff, rightfully so, no matter who sits in Putin's throne in the past or the future.
Fucking idealist.
No.494284
>>494282>He won't. Realistically what will happen is just US sending skme token gibs to Ukraine while it looses bad to Russia. Then Russia will just grab Russian majority regions and leave Ukraine as a failstate.Good. The international community will finally realize that the US is a paper tiger.
No.494285
>>494274Because of a few airbases and ChVK? Nothing to sneeze at, I suppose, but hardly the sign of a burgeoning military giant.
No.494286
>>494280One side
>Nazi LARPersOther side
>People that actually destroyed the USSRPutinoids
<NOOOOO YOU CANT JUST REFUSE TO TAKE A SIDE, NATO SHILL, YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE AND DECIDE THE OUTCOME SO YOU NEED TO TAKE ONE SIDE OF ANTICOMMUNISTS OR THE OTHER SIDE NOOOOOOOOOO No.494287
>>494286>our nazis are not TRUE nazis!!!!!!!!!Yes they are, fucking NATO cock sucker.
No.494290
Okay, I'm going to sleep, so I'll just leave my "hot takes" to piss off all sides:
>Donetsk and Luhansk should be either independant or part of Russia because I believe in national self determination
>Same for any other teritories that might want this
>Russia is imperialist
>Putin is a corrupt oligarch puppet
>Supporting Russia in its possible war with Ukraine is equal to supporting Nazi Germany a la Bordiga
>No I am not comparing Russia to Nazi Germany politically or sociologically, only geopolitically
>Anyone cheering on this possible war is a traitor to humanity who I would want to vivisect without anasthetics as a means of torture because you are subhuman monsters who don't fucking know shit what war is
No.494291
>>494290don't forget to take your medicine
No.494292
Beware comrades there may be storeshittistahnis in our midst>>494273>assThis is a shibboleth
The term shibboleth comes from a story from what the Christians call the Old Testament where during some war or something in order to out members of an enemy tribe the Hebrew kingdom's wartiors made people say the word 'Shibboleth' because the people of the enemy tribe would always mispronounce it
The burgers of storeshittistahn for some strange reason are unable to write the perfectly cromulent word 'arse' substituting the word 'ass' for it instead
Maybe it has something to do with them being utter arseholes we don't yet understand the diseased mind of the burger maybe it is simply a literary tic caused by their obvious mental illness perhaps it is simply a religious practice to protect the holiness of their strange religious practice of dropping feces in their stores nobody yet knows
Nevertheless when you see the word 'ass' where the word 'arse' should be used there is a burger posting
No.494294
>>494292All anglos are the same
May they all perish
No.494295
Interesting how Putinoid shitters resort to shitposting when called out on their vulgar dogshit positions
>Shilling for government literally set up when US glowies intervened in the Russian elections
>Shilling for government that destroyed the Russian SFSR and looted Russia afterwards
>Shilling for a 3rd World War instead of just NATO fucking off without a war
>Shilling for the capitalist state that ushered in a world ruled by America and all the horrors that entailed that solely “opposes” America now because they realized America will destroy them either way once it refused to let them join NATO
Fucking wow
No.494296
>>494293>>Muh second largest party is communist>Yeah a WHOPPING 50 seats out of 450. And the party itself has stated the elections have been rigged against them every timeThe rigged election system is obviously not indicative of their real popularity, so why do you measure them by it?
No.494297
>>494295>resort to shitposting Look at a clock and think how long you have been shitposting
then rethink your life
No.494299
>>494296When did i say they were unpopular? They obviously are or else they wouldnt need to rig elections lmao.
No.494300
>>494193Send me that link,
yes hahahaha
No.494301
>>494286>People that actually destroyed the USSRRussians didn't destroy the USSR, it was the west, lmao read some history for once, you dimwit.
How the CPUSA fooled the USSR communists, how they drained USSR resources in Afghanistan.
No.494302
>>494295>>Shilling for a 3rd World WarNobody is doing this. Your side, however, simultaneously argues that the US is too weak, doesn't want war, but also that this will start WW3. You are the only shill here, arguing for whatever and wherever convenient for your NATO agenda.
>>Shilling for a 3rd World War instead of just NATO fucking off without a warRussia has been doing this for 30 years, for your information. Its consistent response when NATO tried getting closer was to set things straight.
It is not Russia who is not open to NATO fucking off without a war. It is NATO.
Now go take a break, agent Smith.
No.494304
>>494301>Russians didn’t destroy the USSR, it was the West!Really, is that what you’ve convinced yourself? Is Yeltsin not a Russian? Is Putin not his successor?
At best you’re supporting the specific Russians that destroyed the Russian socialist republic with US support, really think of that fact you fucking dipshit
>>494302Honestly I don’t think war will occur, but I wouldn’t put it past the US to launch a war, however a move like that would be suicidal so it’s really up in the air.
The problem with your position is that the reasons that led into WWI led each side with completely rational arguments for why the other factions were wrong, were encroaching, and this was a matter of life or death
Why the fuck should that encourage me to side with one group of capitalists or another group of capitalists?
No.494305
>>494303US doesn't want to fight Russia though, it's true. They're a nuclear power. They just want Russia to stop making the USA look weak by doing what they want in Eastern Europe.
No.494306
>>494304>Honestly I don’t think war will occurIt will. And it will be swift or a little less swift like in the case of Russo-Georgian War. Any responsible president instead of Putin would do the same. Until and unless NATO fucks off, Russia has to do this again and again, until your fucking empire collapses.
No.494307
It's the lead up to WW1 all over again.
No.494308
>>494304>Really, is that what you’ve convinced yourself? Is Yeltsin not a Russian? Is Putin not his successor?Who started to attack the USSR after the IIWW? Who was first, the warsaw pact or the NATO. Of course, the west was who seek to destroy the USSR, and they did it through different methodologies, Kruschev was merely a response to the aggressions trying to fit, little too late the ones who put him on house arrest couldn't stop the rolling ball but was the west who caused its doom and demise.
No.494309
>>494307No it's not, shill. It's Russo-Georgian War again.
No.494310
>>494268The US military is one of the most powerful organizations on the planet what are you on about
NOOOOO my poor US troops they are so unprepared they never want war :((((
No.494311
>>494310He said a 'real war', not just bombing the fuck out of some third world state that can't fight back
No.494313
>>494308Michael Parenti laid a lot of blame on the fall of the Soviet Union on it's own internal contradictions and unmarxist approaches to problems. It's not just capitalist encirclement as you are describing. Quit being such a simple minded faggot.
No.494314
>>494306So this is a battle between two empires, the current ruling empire and an aspirant empire
You haven’t given me a single reason I should support one or the other beyond shouting about NATO again and again and again
You realize all throughout history empires have destroyed each other?
What makes this different from Carthage and Rome or Britain and France or (empire vs empire) such that I, as a communist, would side with either one?
You think WWI wasn’t a matter of life and death for nations and empires? The Ottoman, Austro-Hungarian, and Russian Empires were all destroyed, the German Empire was nearly destroyed, hypothetically all factions involved could argue they were trying to save their countries from “destruction”, again, please justify your vulgar as fuck position
>Well NATO is the aggressorOkay and Germany was the aggressor in WWI, should I have supported the Entente if I was around back then?
No.494315
>>494308> Who started to attack the USSR after the IIWW?Who actually dismantled the country you absolute fucktard?
No.494316
>>494311Shut up, dishonest shit. That same user is crying about wanting to "vivisect" those who "want" this war, and then says that the US doesn't even want a REAL war.
Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Schizo.
No.494317
>>494291>>494314>Germany was the aggressor in WWIThat was Serbia actually
No.494318
>>494317Nah based Serbia was a genuinely anti-imperialist faction telling some pseudo-Krauts to fuck off and die
No.494319
>>494311And you think they would lose? In a real war with russia once america got its boots on the ground en masse it would be a curb stomp just a fact of life. Why do you think they are already sending military supplies in? Confidence!
No.494320
>>494193wow it's just like lenin and his german handlers
No.494321
>>494319Honestly I think Russia would stomp a US invasion
Of course WWIII that doesn’t involve nukes is as realistic as CoD (where WWIII doesn’t involve nukes)
No.494322
Besides people living in Northern Virginia, who does this benefit? Europe doesn't profit from this, the Russian and Ukranian people certainly don't
No.494323
>>494318It was justified but they still fired the first shot
No.494324
>>494314>Russia = aspirant empireAnother NATO talking point. At WORST you could can accuse Russia of enforcing a certain political form on its neighboring nations that would turn to NATO. It's not extracting fucking resourced from Georgia since it's been set straight. It's not interested in attacking fucking African or Middle East countries for their resources.
Stupid fucking shill mother fucker.
No.494326
>>494312>le handshake memeyep, rightoid argumentation
After they were deceived by the west?
You phaggot don't know, but they followed a complete neo-liberalization of Russia's economy, following their advise, and only when they saw it was the "libertarian" paradise, no rule, sections of Russia forming their own military, not wanting to pay taxes that they roll back all the egregious things the west recommended to do.
>>494313A lot =/=most of. Fuck off.
>>494315I already said the CPUSA played a huge deal helping to dismantle Russia, as you are playing as pawns not taking sides between nazis and regular capitalists.
>inb4 muh capitalism = imperialismderanged argument.
No.494327
>>494322The U.S. is the only one that benefits from this.
No.494329
>>494326>CPUSA played a huge deal helping to dismantle the USSRI've heard this before but haven't seen a source
No.494331
>>494322Uralvagonzavod and the Russian equivalent of the MIC also benefit heavily
No.494333
>>494311Ah, excuse me, I thought people killing at each other with firearms was a real war. I guess I have to update my vocabulary in justifying glowops.
No.494334
>>494332Im just stated what would happen if they did I never said they would sperg!
No.494335
>>494322It's actually the complete opposite to what you say.
It's Northern Virginia who won't benefit, exactly because the big CRUMBLING will be on display again for the entire world to see.
Europe want's nothing from this shit, it wants access to Russian gas, so it won't interfere.
Russian and Ukranian people benefit the most, because Ukranians will be rid of Nazis and NATO puppet comprador-bourgeoisie, and ethnic conflicts in the region ends.
cope more
No.494337
>>494323To be fair the only context where a head of state being killed by a random terrorist leads to all-out warfare is a context where all parties involved desired war (except the Serbs)
>>494324>Russia isn’t an aspiring empire, that’s a NATO talking point!<I mean they enforce a certain political form on their neighbors and will fight wars and launch invasions to uphold it, but that’s about it famNote I didn’t say it’s “currently” an empire, reading comprehension is important
Porky vs Porky is the same as king vs king, you won’t change my mind
>No le largest geographic country on Earth with the second most powerful military and the largest nuclear stockpile and recent combat experience are weak and helpless actually!>>494326>The CPUSA (a party irrelevant in its own fucking country) caused the downfall of the USSR, not people like Yeltsin lmaoThe most schizo and unabashed American exceptionalist post in this entire thread
>>494328>Geopolitical competition between multiple capitalist states over who dominates the world>No communist side to support>Even dengist China obviously won’t intervene>Would likely be called WWIII if it blossomed all the way<No you can’t draw parallels or else Russia will look unfavorable No.494338
>>494309I'm saying in the sense commies were split on weather to support the national bourgeoisie
No.494339
>>494316>the US doesn't even want a REAL war.It probably doesn't what Washington is likely aiming for is to try and get the Russians into an afghanistan style quagmire in the Ukraine
Note I'm not speaking of the likelihood of this occurring simply the aims
Notice them setting the pieces up such as trying to get nearby NATO countries to act as hospitals and safe zones for the insurgents and also the direct statements from Washington's chattering crowd of the desirability of this outcome
Since the opinion in storeshittistahni geostrategic circles is that brezenski drawing the Soviets into Afghanistan was a masterstroke that allowed them to take over eastern Europe and the current Washington geostrategic aim is to destabilise and take over Central Asia they are probably trying out the old stratagem of striking east to attack west
No.494340
>>494324>Another NATO talking point. All bourgeois states are aspirant empires. Imperialism is the logical and inevitable outcome of the capitalist system.
>It's not extracting fucking resourced from Georgia since it's been set straight.Russian companies own oil fields in Central Asia, they literally are extracting resources from other countries and exploiting their labour force.
>>494326>yep, rightoid argumentationLmao its not "rightoid argumentation" to point out that the nascent bourgeoisie who emerged under Galsnost and who became massively wealthy in the 90s are both the people who pushed hardest for the dissolution of the USSR and the people currently running Russia. The Americans literally rigged elections so Yeltsin would win and keep the communists out of power, now you want us to shill for his successor just because relations between him and Washington have soured. I will of course resolutely agitate against all American aggression against Russia and meddling in Europe, but I will not carry water for the people who brought about the blackest reaction Stalin warned us about.
No.494341
>>494340>Blessed sanityFinally, light is dawning
An anon….an anon who does not falter in the face of dogshit strawmanning
Godspeed, sabocat
No.494343
>>494329NTA, but the USSR spent hundreds of millions of dollars supporting first world communist parties, all of which proved fruitless. That money would have been much better spent on colonies and the third world. It's almost as if they didn't take Leninism seriously enough, or if they gambled HARD on big stakes (trying to bring in France or UK) instead of assured but slow wins.
This is why, IMO, China is 100% correct with its BRI.
No.494344
>>494332Correction.
Russia is currently leading the nuke race with its hypersonic missiles. It has become even more important for NATO to spread closer to Russia to counteract this by having nukes closer to Russia.
No.494345
>>494343>if they gambled HARD on big stakes (trying to bring in France They clearly showed no interest because they actually could have easily took France in 1968.
No.494347
>>494339>Since the opinion in storeshittistahni geostrategic circles is that brezenski drawing the Soviets into Afghanistan was a masterstroke that allowed them to take over eastern Europe and the current Washington geostrategic aim is to destabilise and take over Central Asia they are probably trying out the old stratagem of striking east to attack westtoo 4D chess2me, fam
No.494348
>>494346Every single state justifies the actions it takes beyond its borders as self-defense, do you not yet realize this?
And they are all always correct because empires are in a genuine life and death competition and are all trying to destroy each other
Again and again we circle a drain, you have not given me a reason to support any faction
No.494349
>>494340>All bourgeois states are aspirant empires.That sounds cool on paper, but then you look at the last 50 years of conflicts and its always NATO countries doing the couping and conflicts, like USA, Turkey, Israel, Saudi-Arabia.
And when you look at counter-examples closely, it turns out that they aren't actually counter examples, like Saddam Hussain
asking permission from NATO to invade, and getting buttfucked for it.
Reality is NATO has "monopoly" on imperialism, and so far nothing indicates that Russia would want puppet regimes of its own outside its direct vicinity.
>Russian companies own oil fields in Central Asia, they literally are extracting resources from other countries and exploiting their labour force.If this is the definition you go by under global capitalism almost everyone already is "an imperialist," while in reality the actual and overwhelming benefactors of this are "the West." Kazakhstan is a perfect example with US companies and the IMF privatizing their resources. Interesting that they share the largest border with Russia, yet somehow their wealth flows towards the US, a country which isn't even bordering with them, but according to you it is Russia exploiting them.
Curious, one is almost tempted to say, a peculiarly anglo, way of looking at the world.
No.494350
>>494340>>494341>>494342ah, yes, the ultra/anglo gang, the force of geostrategic reason
No.494351
>>494345HOW? They didn't even share a fucking border, allowing for soviet tanks to defend the claim, while France itself being NATO, plus surrounded by other NATO forces on all sides.
No.494352
>>494350>AngloGot to love this new acceptable form of idpol on this board
No.494353
>>494352>Got to love this new acceptable form of idpol on this boardWhat about burger?
No.494354
>>494348>Every single state justifies the actions it takes beyond its borders as self-defense, do you not yet realize this?Except some countries have legitimate claims for self defense. I'll break it down for your infantile mind:
>USA "self-defending" itself in Iraq, Afghanistan = bullshit>Russia stopping NATO encroachment as self-defense = validbut sure, lies = truth, when it comes to anglo-analysis
every act of military action is EXACTLY like the USA occupying Afghanistan. Nuance doesn't exist, and everyone is imperialist, ESPECIALLY those countries that aren't NATO members.
No.494358
>>494355Is the last 1 a hobbit? I knew those fuckers were shiffty.
No.494359
>>494357Yes. Welcome to realpolitik, you stupid shit.
The Russians didn't freely chose NATO encroaching on them. The countries in Russia's vicinity didn't freely chose Russia enforcing its own necessary defense.
INTERESTING how you fail to see the chain of causality, starting from the USA.
No.494360
>>494349>That sounds cool on paper, but then you look at the last 50 years of conflicts and its always NATO countries doing the coupingThat's because it's only recently that rival capitalist blocs have emerged capable of standing up to NATO. Even if NATO is the primary aggressor (and they are) that doesn't change the fact that the forces which drive it in this direction (endless accumulation, monopolization, etc) are still operative in Russia.
>so far nothing indicates that Russia would want puppet regimes of its own outside its direct vicinity.Right, and what happens when those puppet regime are tapped put, and they are no longer capable of sustaining acceptable levels of profit accumulation? Do the Russian capitalists just pack things up and go home? Obviously not, they then look further outward, looking for new sources of labour, new markets, new resources to exploit. They look for places where people are more poor, more desperate, less organized, where rates of profit are higher. This is the underlying feature of capitalism which drives imperialism, it is the imperative of accumulation. All capitalists are subject to it, regardless of their nationality.
>If this is the definition you go by under global capitalism almost everyone already is "an imperialist,"Many countries are. What else do you call it when capitalists exploit the labour and resources of another country, and use military force to sustain a comprador regime and protect their investments from being threatened by the very people they exploit? Is this not what happened in Kazakhstan?
>US companies and the IMF privatizing their resources. Interesting that they share the largest border with Russia, yet somehow their wealth flows towards the USIt flows in both directions, otherwise the Russians wouldn't have bothered intervening to stabilize the Kazakh comprador regime and preserve the status quo. Kazakhstan's foreign and economic policy was characterized by taking all comers and prostitution itself to all exploiters.
No.494361
>>494354>USA forcing other countries to adopt a preferential foreign policy is bullshit>Russia forcing other countries to adopt a preferential foreign policy is bullshitSeethe more, Putinoid
> Nuance doesn't existIt clearly doesn’t for you Putinfags, since you think anything other than support for Russia is support for NATO
Keep seething, you will never be a communist
No.494363
>>494359It's not 'self defence' to invade the countries that border you because you dislike their choice of allies, that's imperialism
No.494364
you guys do realize NATO isn't a united entity politics wise, right
No.494365
>>494359>Welcome to realpolitik You mean your cynical defense of one porky or another because you know you aren’t actually a communist deep down inside but rather likely a self-hating westerner?
> INTERESTING how you fail to see the chain of causality, starting from the USA.>>494362Don’t care about this stupid chain between the two porky factions nigha, the dumb russian fucks trusted America and destroyed socialism in their own country and dismantled their only justifiable defense against NATO which was the Warsaw Pact, they (being the people who currently run Russia that you worship) embraced capitalism and are now being encircled because of their own betrayal of the socialist experiment, oh well
No.494366
>>494360>That's because it's only recently that rival capitalist blocs have emerged capable of standing up to NATO.So let's get this straight. According to you Russia, whose primary concern is self-defense as of now, is the RIVAL of the USA, whose primary concern is "primary aggression". It seems to me that you are conflating the colonizer/colonized dichotomy with the competing imperialist/imperialist dialectic.
Also, what "other capitalist blocs?" Turkey is part of NATO. If you think China is capitalist you are an idiot.
No.494369
>>494364When push comes to shove (anti-communism), they are. Plus there is internal but non-antagonistic competition WITHIN NATO, like how Turkey is trying to get some spoils of war in Lybia, or Saudis deciding to fuck with Yemen.
As for determining how united they are actually… when was the last war between NATO countries?
No.494370
>>494368Idk man I'm just so fucking tired of every thread discussing pointless shit with no actual substance
No.494371
>>494352Anglo is shorthand for the British empire and its degenerated spinoff empires. AKA the anglosphere.
No.494373
>>494366The question is, self-defense against what exactly? The current Russian government were ultimately the ones that chose to dissolve the USSR, the US assisted them, but they destroyed the USSR themselves which was why their country went into turmoil, history would have been far different had they not chosen to do this.
We both know the US is not actually going to invade Russia, not because the US is “good” or not a belligerent warmonger, it absolutely is, but because Russia has the most nukes in the entire world and with their hypersonic missiles they have the most advanced nuclear arsenal as well, and Russia is known, like all nuclear-armed states, to possess a dead hand system that will do a full-scale launch at its enemies if the legitimate government falls to foreign invasion
So the actual threat to Russia is, for all intents and purposes, losing its own sphere of influence
Now, when discussing competing capitalist states who are combating over spheres of influence, what am I supposed to call this exactly?
No.494375
>>494372>Biden must give Putin ‘bloody nose’ if Russia invades Ukraine – US senatorsYeah, Biden should just give him a bloody nose, for Putin will give him an even more painful blow. If Russia loses much, the US will lose much more.
No.494376
>>494372>RTWhat about Western memestream media? Atrocity propaganda and war drum beatings usually accompany this stuff.
No.494377
>>494374Again, do you think realistically, the US is going to invade Russia, or that NATO will invade Russia? Especially when NATO doctrine would necessarily draw the entire bloc into the war if any of them invade Russia? You’re saying the threat is placing more bases around Russia as if this somehow turns it into something beyond a competition for spheres of influence, and yet the only way for it to be something more is if an actual invasion of Russia or a missile attack is on the table. So do you think an actual invasion or missile attack is on the table?
Russia won a stupid game, which was dissolving the Soviet Union, and won a stupid prize, which was completely losing its sphere of influence and being totally surrounded so it can no longer act beyond its borders
No.494379
>>494377>Again, do you think realistically, the US is going to invade RussiaThis is what is happening realistically:
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>>494379So there will be no invasion or missile launch, so Russia is not actually facing an existential threat, so this is actually over spheres of influence and determining how much one can act beyond their national borders; thanks for playing
No.494381
>>494369that push will never come to shove anymore, which also means that russia will dogwalk them since they have no idea what exactly their objectives are while it’s crystal clear for russia (irredentist annexation and increasing their sphere of power)
this problem is actually a big motivation behind political unification of the EU, because then they can be united against Russian power plays instead of falling into disarray and strategical confusion everytime
No.494382
>>494380You don't understand how states work – largely regardless of class character, btw. If nukes are a means for deferring direct war, one state will never allow another have a one up over it. NOTHING is stopping the USA developing its own hypersonic missiles. The fact that they would much rather nazify a country and move missiles there just shows how desperate they are. Russia has precedent with Georgia with acting the way it will act again against Ukraine.
Both Ukraine and Russia will benefit from this on the long run, getting rid of literal nazis, and allowing again ethnic equality in the region.
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No.494383
>>494382If the US is desperate and on the verge of collapse, why are you arguing that Russia is desperate and on the verge of collapse?
No.494384
>>494381>irredentist annexationIf you think Donetsk or crime are annexations, just look up an ethnic map. Allowing majority Russian areas in the hands of nazis would be insane.
>increasing their sphere of powerRestoring, actually. The US promised it won't spread NATO towards Russia. That promise will be enforced whether they cooperate or not.
>this problem is actually a big motivation behind political unification of the EU, because then they can be united against Russian power plays instead of falling into disarray and strategical confusion everytimeYeah, about that Russian gas…
No.494385
>>494383>why are you arguing that Russia is desperate and on the verge of collapseI'm not. Maybe read again?
No.494386
>>494385>Russia has hypersonic missiles and can strike the US at any time>US has nukes near Russia and can strike Russia at any time!>US is desperate and collapsing so trying to save itself!>Russia is not desperate or collapsing but encircled and on the verge of being destroyed and trying to save itselfSo either WWIII is inevitable or we’re stuck we’re we’ve been since the USSR developed nukes, oh fucking well
Still don’t care about your porky state
No.494387
>>494386you can't read for shit and you project your own preconceptions on my words
American, I presume.
No.494388
>>494381>this problem is actually a big motivation behind political unification of the EUBut it would surely fail, for the political union of the EU is based off imperialism and that if Russia unifies the European continent it will surely bring it in a communist direction.
No.494389
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No.494390
>>494373>So the actual threat to Russia is, for all intents and purposes, losing its own sphere of influenceHow blurry is that line though? If no nuclear adversaries are to consider war, how much encroachment is acceptable before one side threatens open military confrontation? The US/NATO keeps spinning their arms and everyone else keeps backing away because getting hit is conducive to war, and we are past such barbaric things as open wars
between nuclear powers. Everyone else though, lives on the whim of who can destroy them.
the US is always fighting a defensive war of expansion, or a defensive war of anti terrorism , or a defensive war for resources… At which point is NATO expanding not "defensive"?
No.494391
>>494386>So either WWIII is inevitableYes.
Still want NATO reduced to nuclear ash.
No.494392
>>494390The first issue with your reply is believing I claimed the US is actually defending itself
What I asked specifically was whether or not you think the US will realistically invade or attempt to invade Russia, if the answer is no then clearly this isn’t actually an existential struggle for either side despite both sides claiming that it is
No.494393
>>494366>So let's get this straight. According to you Russia, whose primary concern is self-defense as of now, is the RIVAL of the USA, whose primary concern is "primary aggression". It seems to me that you are conflating the colonizer/colonized dichotomy with the competing imperialist/imperialist dialectic.France was "defending itself" from a literal German invasion in 1914 too, but that didn't change the fact that France was still a power driven by the imperative of endless accumulation the same as Germany was. The point I'm trying to make is that Russia is animated by the exact same forces which animate the US and NATO, and unlike a country like Iran or Syria, it's actually in a position to dominate its neighbours (and much of the world) through imperialism if granted an opportunity to do so. Indeed, it would necessarily have to do so, because again, the same forces which cause NATO to be imperialist are also at work in Russia. Ergo a Russian victory over the West in Eastern Europe wouldn't be a victory over imperialism.
>Also, what "other capitalist blocs?" Russia.
No.494394
>>494329Because they sold the idea the the U.S. was a cool thing to the CPSU, they sold the idea, through the events of the Berlin Wall, that everything can be a hunkydory wealthefare state with succdemory
This is what people like Bernie Sanders, and members went to do to the USSR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KCoR6UYs1k (1988, way before the USSR dissolution)
Sanders was related to people of the Socialist Workers Party, a gang of troskyites, the same that attacked insanely Stalin, making Gorbachev like a "sensate" response, if you will.
>Soviet officials were prepared to make about their own society frankly I thought that they would be there to tell us that everything is wonderful and that certainly was not the case, for example, they are absolutely open in acknowledging that they are not a democratic society and that those people we spoke to want to become a democratic society and right now they are in the midst of an extraordinarily important and turbulent point in their history at least some of them want to try to determine how they go from where they are.These are other names:
>Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism: This group was formed after the Soviet coup of 1991 by Manning Marable, Carl Boice, Leslie Cagan, Charlene Mitchell, Angela Davis, Pete Seeger and numerous others who were expelled from (or left) the Communist Party for supporting Mikhail Gorbachev and the pro-democracy faction of the Russian government. Free of the CPUSA, the CCDS founders hoped to unite the divided American Left, and received support from a number of well-known leftists, including Noam Chomskyhttps://web.cortland.edu/worrellm/dropbox/red%20groups.pdfThis is western, anglo, leftism trying to appeal the USSR into "democracy", Yeltsin was a sub result from the aggressions that started since the funding of NATO.
You all want, the sabotard, the ancom, the other "grillpill retard" and "dark marxist" to accuse imperialist Russia, but even the mildest succdem of the U.S. was a pawn that served, not to praise their system, but to call it "undemocratic" the USSR system even if they were invited as guests.
Reagan was bad, but these wolves dressed as sheep were destroyed the USSR.
I find hilarious the rightoids attacking Bernie or other communists, when people like them did this shit to the USSR, propped up people like Anatoly Chubais, and now let the U.S. call them "le bad olygarchy" that they themselves created
The anglos are the worst shit ever happened to socialism.
No.494395
>>494303You aren't wrong but please keep meta in /meta/
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