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>>518458
Ukraine is already in a civil war

>>518459
>moronfag
Wow, good one.

>>518457
lmao is he ukranian?

>>776397
You are into masochism, you get called every time with your retarded takes and re-interpretations of Lenin and you keep coming here.

>>518464
Not a revolutionary one

>>518419
Obviously sabocat, it'll strengthen anti-Russian and ultranationalist sentiment. If there were Ukrainian normies who had no stake in this absolutely pointless war, and who lost a brother or a sister or cousin or auntie or uncle from some random bombing, they'll definitely become radicalized. Even Russians who have family in Ukraine will be most definitely upset. The neocon war hawk trots in this thread have no stake in this conflict, they don't live in Eastern Europe so their opinions really don't matter. In any case the communists and socialists of Russia and Ukraine know what's best for each other, not war hungry neo-con trots from the west.

>>518431
This is some Galaxy brain thinking here

>>776397
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
you are a joke to the majority of posters here, you realize that, right?

Become a west puppet or a Russian puppet?

It makes more sense to become a Russian Puppet because they are neighbours.

Imagine Mexico being a Russian puppet. Doesn't make sense xD

>>518468
It's arguably a national liberation war

>>518419
The Russian military will clean up any Nazis. Ukraine is literally Russia so it's not like they are occupying a foreign country half a world away like the US does.

>>518473
Exactly, it's not 1917

>>518435
Do you track dog sh*t into the house of your host when you are visiting? Leave such comments to the other sites.

>>518460
>NTA but your assumption is that the liberals protesting are the ones we have to support because they will get us 1917?
First of all, I see no reason to assume that the protestors are all liberals. Second, I'm saying that it is up to the communists of beligerent countries to try to put a stop to this bourgeois war by rallying workers against their own governments.
>The tankie, I guess, is implying that the west may cause its 1917 if they lose control of everything during these events
I don't see how, the West is not directly participating in this war.

>>518267
>>518272

this is not a bourgeois war. The russian government waited 8 years to recognize the independence of the republics, tried everything to solve the situation via diplomacy and hoping to avoid a war. Russia, not even the oligarchs, will gain nothing economic from defending the republics, hell they may even lose (not as much as europe tho). The capitalists are not in control of Putin, if that was the case this wouldn't have happened in the first place, they would just have continued selling the country for years to come. This is just the result of imperial aggression against Russia. This just shows that it wasn't ideology what put the west against Russia but the possibility of they becoming strong. The empire won't accept anything but total submission. What the US wanted was not to prevent a competing social order to challenge their hegemony over the world, but to keep the leash over europe and asia and by proxy over the world. And now that Russia abandoned socialism they are still antagonizing. Now Putin is without any other option than opposing NATO and imperialism just to survive. And if Russia becomes fully imperialist it is something that only time will decide, but just because their corporations expand a little, or a region holds a referendum to unite the country as happened in Crimea doesn't make it imperialist. These elements are present in every country on earth to varying degrees and it shouldn't cloud our judgment. This is not a both sides bad kind of situation. It is just the global struggle of anti imperialism brought to european soil again. Only this time the red star doesn't shine as bright over there as it used to. Let's not adopt an ultra left position and at least be thankful that the nazis on the Donbas are getting some push back after years of terrorizing Donesk and Luhansk.

>>518431
Modern Sun Tzu

>>518466
yes
>Nikocado Avocado was born in the newly-independent Ukraine in Eastern Europe. He was later adopted and grew up in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, United States.

>>518478
>this is not a bourgeois war
Yes it is liberal

>>518472
Is Finland a Russian puppet?

>>518457
just post it

>>518477
>are all liberals.
God, you only have three major factions:
Unita
communists
Nationalists (in an alliance/pact)
and smaller the liberals
Do you actually believe the 3 first ones are protesting right now? do you see their communists flags en masses? it is kazhak all over again.
The only ones that protest that shit are liberals in the greeeeeeeater extent, unless uniquivocally proved wrong.
>I'm saying that it is up to the communists of beligerent countries to try to put a stop to this bourgeois war by rallying workers against their own governments.
But this is not happening. Not gonna happen.
The 3 forces I listed you support this whole movement, there is no room for that shit.
>I don't see how, the West is not directly participating in this war.

See the ball as the Tankie said, it is in their courtside. Depending on how much damage they inflict upon themselves, it might be possible.

>>518407
>>518407
isis was created from the ashes of the irak army that was disbanded by US during an incredibly long and bloody occupation

ty based stalin

liveuamap isn't loading properly anymore, but here's ukraine as far as recent operations go

Ukrainian MPs call on Zelensky to start talks with Putin

A group of parliamentarians insists all diplomatic options should be explored to stop the bloodshed

“Millions of our fellow citizens strive for a peaceful … life,” said the group, led by Vadim Novinsky – a Ukrainian billionaire and one of the co-leaders of the Opposition Bloc – an association of more than a dozen political parties. The MPs have said they “insist on [Zelensky] using all options” to protect human life and de-escalate the situation.

The lawmakers called on their leader to start talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin and “reach an agreement” on “stopping the bloodshed.” They urged Ukraine’s parliament to form a delegation to hold “strategic consultations” with the Russian parliament.

“We believe that a new compromise is still possible,” the MPs have said, adding that a diplomatic option should still be explored even if it has “one chance in a hundred” to be successful. The MPs have not outlined any specific ideas for a potential agreement with Russia.

https://www.rt.com/russia/550526-ukraine-mps-zelensky-talks-putin/

>>518486
>Do you actually believe the 3 first ones are protesting right now?
Principled ones should be.
>But this is not happening. Not gonna happen.
Then the communists are infected with opportunism, just as the social democrats were in 1914.

>>518411
ty based stalin

>>518124
This invasion really brought out all the liberals of Twitter. It’s entertaining honestly.

>>518492
The fact that you absolutely INSIST on projecting the current global situation on early 20th century history just confirms how huge a fucking pseud you are. For you communism is a LARP and doesn't require concrete analysis of the contemporary world with applicable praxis.

You are a scum. SCUM.

Can someone tell me what the anti imperialist position is?

>>518496
destroy nato

>>518495
>For you communism is a LARP and doesn't require concrete analysis of the contemporary world with applicable praxis.
I'm using analogous historical situations to make a point. The "concrete analysis" offered by Putinoids is detached from reality regarding the class character of the Russian regime and its relationship to imperialism.

>>776397
>You can die for your bourgeoisie
you wot schizo ? stop inventing people to hate

>>518500
>THERE WASN'T A GLOBAL ANTI-COMMUNIST ALLIANCE BACK IN 1914
So the global empires of that period weren't anti-communist? Modern Russia isn't anti-communist? The porkies that command the Russian state and who destroyed the USSR aren't anti-communist?
>THE USSR DIDN'T FALL IN 1914
You're right, it fell in 1991, something that Putin and his ilk actively aided and abetted. Why should we shill for the gravediggers of the October Revolution?

>>518503
Here's my concrete analysis. Russia is a bourgeois state, as such everything it does is done with the intention of enriching and empowering its ruling class, which by definition also means impoverishing and disenfranchising its own people. As a capitalist country, Russia is inexorably on the path to imperialism, and any war it wages (even if there are also legitimate concerns of national security involved) will be used not only as an opportunity to expand the profits of the ruling class, but also to crush the democratic freedoms of the workers, to suppress their revolutionary sentiments and activity, and to eliminate any concessions they have won over the years. This is because profit is the lifeblood of the capitalist system, and the endless accumulation of capital is the driving force of all bourgeois economic calculus. No opportunity to further exploit people or reap ever greater profits will be passed up. Neither Russian, nor Ukrainian, nor Western workers have any stake in this conflict, because none of the belligerent states represent them and their interests. If this is to end without any of the countries involved becoming socialist, then a Russian victory is probably the preferable outcome (due to the benefits of multipolarity), but even better than that would be a successful overthrow of the Russian bourgeois state by the communists of that country. Hence, I hope Russia's class conscious workers are able to successfully agitate against their imperialist bourgeoisie, and turn this bourgeois war into a civil war between the classes.

>>518254
This is the beginning of the end for the NATO-sphere. If they can't even hold together now they never will.

>>518196
thank god, i was getting tired of hearing the "muh nazis" excuse.

>>518503
>Sophism is when you know the actual history of the 20th Century instead of nonsensical Hazcel dogshit and coping memes shat out by twitter tankies
So this is where leftist/pol/ is at, huh?
Utter degeneracy

>>518496
nato bad
DPR and LPR self determination

>>518211
based

>>518418
lmao

>>518037
I was wondering about the dongcopter pirate lol.

>>518065
Shouldn't it be "цемен гаіденко"?