LOST GENERATION EDITIONSIZZLE GANG
TO WATCH FOR NEWS:
https://liveuamap.com/Live updates from Texan commie boomer in Donbass:
https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTexacFor Russiabros, analysis from Boris Rozhin:
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/ (has a telegram, lots of cool stuff there too)
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"Modern Ukraine was completely created by Russia," Putin says in speech to the nation“
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495832687227068422Putin: "We are ready to show you what true de-Communization means to Ukraine."“
https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1495833069676335104“PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE'S ADMISSION TO NATO IS A DIRECT THREAT TO RUSSIA'S SECURITY || NATO TRAINING CENTRES ESTABLISHED IN UKRAINE AMOUNT TO NATO MILITARY BASES“
https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1495840775082737664Putin says Ukraine is a "U.S. colony" with a "puppet regime"
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495840971208429568“Russia claims Ukraine invaded Russia and says 5 Ukrainian soldiers were killed and two APCs destroyed near Rostov.
https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1495745864320831492Putin, in televised address on Ukraine crisis, talks about a "nationalistic virus" says 1991 collapse of Soviet Union saw Russia robbed
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1495834881028411393“Putin: "Why did we have to transfer the rights to the territories that had been part of the Russian Empire?"“
https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1495832267687669763PUTIN SPEECH WAS PRERECORDED:
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1495775697121517570Russia & Syria officially recognize LNR and DPR
https://mobile.twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1495845600834822147Syria recognizing LNR/DPR
https://twitter.com/the_ragex/status/1495847706555781123Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua likely to recognize the Donetsk and Lugansk republics shortly
https://twitter.com/the_ragex/status/1495850619487371265Putin Calls For Ukraine To Break Apart
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/russian-president-putin-ukraine-break-apart_n_6213d491e4b0ef74d724b3a0"President Biden will soon issue an Executive Order that will prohibit new investment, trade, and financing by U.S. persons to, from, or in the so-called DNR and LNR regions of Ukraine," Jen Psaki says following recognition by Putin of regions as "independent."
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1495858379243282434
>EU leadership @vonderleyen & @eucopresident say that bloc will react with sanctions "against those involved in this illegal act" of recognising Donetsk and Luhansk. >Suggests individual, targeted sanctions: not the big ol' war package that everyone has been talking up for weeks.https://twitter.com/HenryJFoy/status/1495853591764082700Communist Party of Russia has just endorsed Putin's call to recognise the DNR and LNR.
Zyuganov: "Look how zealous the Americans and British are now. They forced Ukraine to send almost all its troops to the Donetsk-Luhansk region. More than 100k in a patch of 40-50km."
https://twitter.com/pawelwargan/status/1495857447973572610 >>517801b-but we voted out Drumpf
m-muh brunch
;_;
>>517800>dehumanise and justify the murder of Ukrainians.Literally wrong, it is a genuine reason, and literally why would Russia dehumanize and murder Ukrainians, there is literally no logical reason for this.
All that this is, is an action against the U.S controlled Ukrainian government.
>>517800>The focus on Ukrainians nazis is a tool of Russian propagandist to dehumanise and justify the murder of Ukrainians. Ukraine has no big far right party and has a jewish president ffsLiar. The entire issue is how west Ukrainian parties moved over to the nationalist position and saw Ukraine's culture war as only solved by becoming less Soviet and Russian, which is incompatible with the history of East Ukraine.
To this end, they've
>destroyed and repressed eastern opposition >turned a blind eye to nationalist violence against communists, pro-Russian people, and Eastern opposition while integrating nationalists into the army >gave national security chief and speaker of the parliament to the founder of Svoboda>repealed the language law, honored nazi collaborators, split the orthodox church >resist all decentralization and resolved to Ukrainize and integrate into Europe >resolved to solve the conflict by reconquering the most pro Russian areas of Ukraine >>517858do you have any idea how soon this invasion will be over?
and I am nowhere near that shithole.
>>517870>Russian army is completely perfect, nothing like this voild have happened.Pretty sure the nazi army was getting POW's even in April 1945, be it soviet or american.
War's like this, cope
>>517876It’s too early to say anything
Don’t forget Ethiopias Tigray war and how everyone thought one side would win only to turn out wrong over and over again
This invasion and a war on this scale if the Russian army doesn’t formerly surrender is gonna take months to years possibly decades to really end
>>517894>what Socialism can gain from the conflict.literally nothing
>>517896this. embrace nihilistic egoism and smoke some fat blunts as the world collapses
>>517877>Did their official militaries clashBruh
This literally started with Russia bombing Ukrainian military installations and the armies are currently fighting
>>517891Do you think russias in a position to surrender
There in the same situation as the tplf
Surrendering is suicidal they don’t have another option but to fight
>>517903Are you sure they're protesting?
They look bored and/or on their phones
>>517918a war 1000 miles away is still a nothing burger if it doesn't affect american lives. Tell me, how has the Syrian war affected you? 2014 Russian-Ukranian conflict?
it's all a nothing burger until shit goes down hard enough that you don't have to go to work tomorrow. Then it's happening.
There is no good and bad. There is no right side or wrong side. Please stop moralizing like liberals. We are not and we shouldn't be. If there were a good side, it was destroyed 30 years ago. What is needed though is knowing what outcomes are beneficial, and what outcomes are not.
In the wake of Putin's invasion, what outcome is most beneficial for us as socialists? The weakening of Western imperialism will free up space in the Asian, African, Latin American, and possibly even those living in Western Europe. The incompetence of Western governments will be known to their people. On the other hand, Russia's sphere of influence will negatively affect the workers, communists, all organizing within Eastern Europe. We can't even begin to mention the suffering of the Ukrainian people.
In my eyes, the best line is an anti-war one. Yet, if peace becomes distant, what can we hope for?
>>517964>In the wake of Putin's invasion, what outcome is most beneficial for us as socialists?Nothing will change for the better for the Western left. Jason Unruhe was right about this.
>The weakening of Western imperialism will free up space in the Asian, African, Latin AmericanHow do you know? Who's to say the US won't just invade Nicaragua and Venezuela now over "terrorism" and "threats to national security" now that the entire Western public is focused on condemning Russia?
>>517986No, Putin made a statement of support for BLM
>Where does the "attacking Nazism in Ukraine" line come fromFake illigitimate ukrainian gov is full of nazis who voted against a UN resolution condemning nazism, that and the azov battalion being openly nazi idealogues
>>517976There's an invasion
in my pants.
>>518000Oh man, is this NATOuyghur cope they are no longer the only game in town? Is it NATOuyghur seethe they are no longer the only game in town?
It's both! Ya love to see it.
>>517973Doesn't he live near Beverly Hills?
Goddamn I hate that fuck.
>>518035The Social Movement Donetsk Republic is filled with many communists from the defunct party. That's why I said
partially true.
>>517948question here, is there any strategic or tactical advantage on securing chernobyl and is the power plant still operational?
i thought the place just an abandon radiated place
>>517999I said you can support both multipolarity and the people. You think I support this invasion? I never did. Putin made the wrong choice when he could have easily just let it slide after the sanctions. Anecdotal but I have a close Ukrainian friend whose family is under bunkers near Kiev. You think I'm happy that their family is under threat of death?
>>518000Who ever said about two global powers? Why not two, three, four? And who's to say these proxy wars don't have the communists funded for the sake of realpolitik? Think about what the United States have done in a unipolar world. They have crushed communist movements worldwide, funded regime changes and started coups. Their propaganda machine and empire have suppressed multiple socialist movements abroad and inward. I live in a country whose darkest hour was caused by a president who was funded and supported by the United States, who then proceeded to let him have refuge after the people wanted to murder him.
If my memory serves. Did you know that the Cuban Revolution wasn't even inherently communist in character at the start? Bautista was becoming a headache even for Western powers, and Fidel practically lied to Westerners and journalists. That's why no the U.S. funded Bautista at all to take care of the communists. He was practically left alone. It was only afterwards the U.S. fucked up.
I don't get why you guys hate multipolarity so much. You can work for the workers, organize for the people, and at the same time hope to weaken the main hegemon that has crushed the world under it's heel for two decades. These aren't contradictory beliefs. You guys said it yourself- this isn't a sports team match. Think strategically, think dialectically, don't run off with emotions.
>>518066It wasn't, I am legit wondering what the infighting was supposed to be about lmao
>>518070BigThonk.jpg
>>518070Are you implying he was killed for being communist? lol, their own people said that it wa the Ukrainians.
All assessinations of the ledaers of Ukraine are either one way or another caused by Ukraine.
>>518078Protesting what?
Ukraine getting btfo or the U.S./NATO sending troops there?
>>518089NATO sending troops and NATO autism in general more sactions will literally live euros frozen to death due to the price of gas and energy in general
Ofcourse demands for peace are part of the proggram
>>518094>whybecause dictators and oligarchs are greedy fuckers
>expect to get away with ithonestly yes. he's arrogant enough.
>>518091>Ten or so Ukrainian tanks destroyedThis is not about Ukranian tanks!
This is about all tanks around the world that uphold the peace order!
WE ARE ALL UKRANIAN TANKS Been a while since I have had a entire thread fill up while I slept.
>>774466right in the feels
>>774652right in the lols
>>518110lel, base happooner forsaking carnal pleasure
>>5181110/10
>>518108What is this retard-tier reading of hisory?
Who dared wrote this?!
>>518148Don’t care.
Azov is dead.
Plus, you glow
>>518168Based Sabo-Kitty opposing the arguably repugnant Russian chauvinists that came out in droves in Leftist/pol/
Chanlets love nothing more, than watching proles die for national chauvinism and imperialist ambitions
>>518141I am not a far seer, but Russia hasn't even deployed its total force, nor the best of their cruise missiles. And to be fair, Russians have a good purchase parity power per capita.
The guys is deluded, and Russia will not backtrack.
>>518138Fuck you, your mother, your father, the United States of America, the Founding Fathers, the CIA, and everyone whose brain is infested by American propaganda worldwide. History will absolve us. You will belong to the category of has-beens soon enough. Remember these words Americuck
>>518046His brigade is still active (Prizrak), are they any good?
>>518210That's a meaningless virtue signaling crypto calvinist response.
Fuck off with the theological bullshit
>>518184-8999/10
>>517831MC Ride, noooooo
>>518217Was I talking to wall or an empty room all these threads?
The ball is in EU's court now, and if they don't kill Nordstream-2, then the
real fun might start.
>>518214Ah alright, so you just are mentally ill.
>>518218Leftypol is filled with little Yezhovs. Fine with putting a bullet through everyone skull, yet when the sides have turned, cry like a little bitch about it and beg for mercy so that it doesn't happen to them.
>>518213As my fellow tankie comrade said
want is not have. Idealism brain rots you.
>>518235>>518220fuck patsocs but he's mostly right about the bigger picture of the US slowly dying and that part is
good and I
support it
>>518240I am even on Russias side but RT is just a retarded newspaper. Big images and 4 lines of text.
If id be them (or get a nice check) Id use a serif font, black white imagery and call it like "The Eurasian Gazette" or something
>>518259If Russia is cut off from SWIFT, they can't pay what it owes to EU, and then ooops.
>>518254Keep us updated.
THIS IS THE REALLY IMPORTANT STUFF >>518266he's half-schizo but I like him
>>518254USA btfo
>>517800>>517812As we all know, Jewish people can't be fascists… *looks at Israel*
As we all know Azov Battalion is just dudes rockin, vibin, not a cell phone in site, definitely not a nazi paramilitary taking US money and weapons to further destabilize the region
noticing what's going on since 2014 and before makes you a russia simp, rather than a skeptic of amerikkkan hegemony
>>518218I know you can read but evidently these threads are being brigaided by outsiders.
My position is that the Ukraine government at the behest of NATO provoked Rusia up until this moment. I understand the people cheering them on because in a way a Russian victory is a NATO loss. Russia, I want to believe, does not want to alienate ukraine or ukrainians. It wants to establish a Russian friendly government and return it into the sphere of influence of Russia.
It's nice to be romantic and wish for peace and love, but we must also remember that American hegemony is the #1, #2, #3, #4, #5 biggest threat to all leftist movements, even to the non-revolutionary ones. Ukraine will be imperialised. That's a fact. As a socialist, I see the benefit of Ukraine being imperialised by Russia. I don't see any benefits for Ukraine being imperialised by the USA.
Remember that this conflict was 100% instigated by NATO/USA. If Rusia kills 1 Ukrainian, it is entirely NATO's fault.
Every single thing that has happened thus far has been pushed by NATO. Russia wants to be in good graces with NATO and the EU. NATO doesn't and has done everything in its power to destroy Russia for decades now.
Zoom out.
>>518284sure, after propping up literal Nazis in the 80ies, then making sure it leaves the USSR, then couping it 20 years later and already planning to weaken Zelensky.
why would Russia do this?
>>518284The U.S. invaded a long time ago via proxy and the entire state became a puppet for it.
Russia only tore up their paper tiger.
>>518273>>518286Invading Ukraine gives EU reason to obey US for longer and kill Nordstream-2. The game can go on for a bit longer.
If Putin poker-faced through Donbass and Lugansk getting leveled, US might've escalated, and it's anybody's guess what coudl've happened next.
>>518305Chauvinists here didn't care.
Fuck them.
>>518302see
>>518254It's not happening.
>>518305western porky media didn't give a shit
""people"" were cheering when it happened, and then anons insist that putinbots aren't real lol
>>518317>>518323 (Me)
But yeah, 404 lmao
>>518347I would do the same, women flock to invaders.
>>518346So Putin personally can blow it up.
>>518363To be a liiiiiiiiiittle, tiny bit, fair with him, he admitted being wrong 6 threads ago. He, anyways in his liberal mind, doubles down in the rest of his rhetoric.
He behaves like Skinner.
>>518393It is still the second biggest country.
It makes sense that a war in a bigger territory would take more time, dumbass.
>>518301It was already put on hold for 6 months. NS2 was effectively blocked for the next 6 months.
>>518305Western media didn't report it. We only had partial news, no way to discern what was happening for real. Lots of fake news, contradicting accounts. How can you have a position when the information we recieve is like that?
>>518407 (me)
I mean, ISIS didn't exist at the time, but yea the point still stands.
>>518404No, not buckling on that one.
Even if war breaks out I'm not vaxxed so I won't get conscripted :)
(go back to your containment hell) >>518411ty based vladolf putler with nukes
>>518417class traitor confirmed
>>518416>except the USA invaded Iraq and then started supporting these factions and now Russia is purging all foreign support in the country. You don't understand shit here.It didn't support these factions, it was the Saudis who did it as they can do whatever they want because of the petrodollar.
Despite this, it makes sense that after you get bombed you would be against the invader, doesn't it? Like, why does this apply in Iraq after the US invasion but not Ukraine? lmao.
Cope, you're wrong.
>>518443You know that we're talking about Iraq here, right?
When they got into Syria, it would have been otherwise, but ISIS originated in Iraq.
>>518442NTA but your assumption is that the liberals protesting are the ones we have to support because they will get us 1917?
The tankie, I guess, is implying that the west may cause its 1917 if they lose control of everything during these events, something I like more because, to begin with, the west haven't had any sociaist revolution, while Russia alraedy had one.
>>518460>NTA but your assumption is that the liberals protesting are the ones we have to support because they will get us 1917?First of all, I see no reason to assume that the protestors are all liberals. Second, I'm saying that it is up to the communists of beligerent countries to try to put a stop to this bourgeois war by rallying workers against their own governments.
>The tankie, I guess, is implying that the west may cause its 1917 if they lose control of everything during these eventsI don't see how, the West is not directly participating in this war.
>>518477>are all liberals.God, you only have three major factions:
Unita
communists
Nationalists (in an alliance/pact)
and smaller the liberals
Do you actually believe the 3 first ones are protesting right now? do you see their communists flags
en masses? it is kazhak all over again.
The only ones that protest that shit are liberals in the greeeeeeeater extent, unless uniquivocally proved wrong.
>I'm saying that it is up to the communists of beligerent countries to try to put a stop to this bourgeois war by rallying workers against their own governments. But this is not happening. Not gonna happen.
The 3 forces I listed you support this whole movement, there is no room for that shit.
>I don't see how, the West is not directly participating in this war.See the ball as the Tankie said, it is in their courtside. Depending on how much damage they inflict upon themselves, it might be possible.
Ukrainian MPs call on Zelensky to start talks with PutinA group of parliamentarians insists all diplomatic options should be explored to stop the bloodshed
“Millions of our fellow citizens strive for a peaceful … life,” said the group, led by Vadim Novinsky – a Ukrainian billionaire and one of the co-leaders of the Opposition Bloc – an association of more than a dozen political parties. The MPs have said they “insist on [Zelensky] using all options” to protect human life and de-escalate the situation.
The lawmakers called on their leader to start talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin and “reach an agreement” on “stopping the bloodshed.” They urged Ukraine’s parliament to form a delegation to hold “strategic consultations” with the Russian parliament.
“We believe that a new compromise is still possible,” the MPs have said, adding that a diplomatic option should still be explored even if it has “one chance in a hundred” to be successful. The MPs have not outlined any specific ideas for a potential agreement with Russia.
https://www.rt.com/russia/550526-ukraine-mps-zelensky-talks-putin/ >>518486>Do you actually believe the 3 first ones are protesting right now?Principled ones should be.
>But this is not happening. Not gonna happen. Then the communists are infected with opportunism, just as the social democrats were in 1914.
>>518492The fact that you absolutely INSIST on projecting the current global situation on early 20th century history just confirms how huge a fucking pseud you are. For you communism is a LARP and doesn't require concrete analysis of the contemporary world with applicable praxis.
You are a scum. SCUM.
>>518500>THERE WASN'T A GLOBAL ANTI-COMMUNIST ALLIANCE BACK IN 1914So the global empires of that period weren't anti-communist? Modern Russia isn't anti-communist? The porkies that command the Russian state and who destroyed the USSR aren't anti-communist?
>THE USSR DIDN'T FALL IN 1914You're right, it fell in 1991, something that Putin and his ilk actively aided and abetted. Why should we shill for the gravediggers of the October Revolution?
>>518503Here's my concrete analysis. Russia is a bourgeois state, as such everything it does is done with the intention of enriching and empowering its ruling class, which by definition also means impoverishing and disenfranchising its own people. As a capitalist country, Russia is inexorably on the path to imperialism, and any war it wages (even if there are also legitimate concerns of national security involved) will be used not only as an opportunity to expand the profits of the ruling class, but also to crush the democratic freedoms of the workers, to suppress their revolutionary sentiments and activity, and to eliminate any concessions they have won over the years. This is because profit is the lifeblood of the capitalist system, and the endless accumulation of capital is the driving force of all bourgeois economic calculus. No opportunity to further exploit people or reap ever greater profits will be passed up. Neither Russian, nor Ukrainian, nor Western workers have any stake in this conflict, because none of the belligerent states represent them and their interests. If this is to end without any of the countries involved becoming socialist, then a Russian victory is probably the preferable outcome (due to the benefits of multipolarity), but even better than that would be a successful overthrow of the Russian bourgeois state by the communists of that country. Hence, I hope Russia's class conscious workers are able to successfully agitate against their imperialist bourgeoisie, and turn this bourgeois war into a civil war between the classes.
>>518503>Sophism is when you know the actual history of the 20th Century instead of nonsensical Hazcel dogshit and coping memes shat out by twitter tankiesSo this is where leftist/pol/ is at, huh?
Utter degeneracy
>>518496nato bad
DPR and LPR self determination
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