CURB STOMP BATTLE
SIZZLE GANG
TO WATCH FOR NEWS:
https://liveuamap.com/Live updates from Texan commie boomer in Donbass:
https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTexacFor Russiabros, analysis from Boris Rozhin:
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/ (has a telegram, lots of cool stuff there too)
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"Modern Ukraine was completely created by Russia," Putin says in speech to the nation“
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495832687227068422Putin: "We are ready to show you what true de-Communization means to Ukraine."“
https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1495833069676335104“PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE'S ADMISSION TO NATO IS A DIRECT THREAT TO RUSSIA'S SECURITY || NATO TRAINING CENTRES ESTABLISHED IN UKRAINE AMOUNT TO NATO MILITARY BASES“
https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1495840775082737664Putin says Ukraine is a "U.S. colony" with a "puppet regime"
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495840971208429568“Russia claims Ukraine invaded Russia and says 5 Ukrainian soldiers were killed and two APCs destroyed near Rostov.
https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1495745864320831492Putin, in televised address on Ukraine crisis, talks about a "nationalistic virus" says 1991 collapse of Soviet Union saw Russia robbed
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1495834881028411393“Putin: "Why did we have to transfer the rights to the territories that had been part of the Russian Empire?"“
https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1495832267687669763PUTIN SPEECH WAS PRERECORDED:
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1495775697121517570Russia & Syria officially recognize LNR and DPR
https://mobile.twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1495845600834822147Syria recognizing LNR/DPR
https://twitter.com/the_ragex/status/1495847706555781123Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua likely to recognize the Donetsk and Lugansk republics shortly
https://twitter.com/the_ragex/status/1495850619487371265Putin Calls For Ukraine To Break Apart
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/russian-president-putin-ukraine-break-apart_n_6213d491e4b0ef74d724b3a0"President Biden will soon issue an Executive Order that will prohibit new investment, trade, and financing by U.S. persons to, from, or in the so-called DNR and LNR regions of Ukraine," Jen Psaki says following recognition by Putin of regions as "independent."
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1495858379243282434
>EU leadership @vonderleyen & @eucopresident say that bloc will react with sanctions "against those involved in this illegal act" of recognising Donetsk and Luhansk. >Suggests individual, targeted sanctions: not the big ol' war package that everyone has been talking up for weeks.https://twitter.com/HenryJFoy/status/1495853591764082700Communist Party of Russia has just endorsed Putin's call to recognise the DNR and LNR.
Zyuganov: "Look how zealous the Americans and British are now. They forced Ukraine to send almost all its troops to the Donetsk-Luhansk region. More than 100k in a patch of 40-50km."
https://twitter.com/pawelwargan/status/1495857447973572610Hopefully Putin makes this quick and painless for all except Right Sector/Azov/Central Govt.
Consistent with our views regarding imperialism and the national question, unlike many Communists and communist parties (like for example KKE), I don't consider the conflict in eastern Ukraine an intra-imperialist conflict between two large imperialist camps of the "west" and the "east". In my opinion, this is nothing more than imperialist aggression against the current national bourgeois government of Russia which tries to push back against the imperialist forces, and it is not in isolation from the general world-imperialist offensive against the proletariat of the world. Thus, by default, we in general, support the Russians (both the ones living in Russia, and the ones living in Ukraine) for both anti-imperialist reasons and due to reasons of our view regarding the national question.
What do we mean by the national question? In my opinion nations are not subjective things, but objective things. They are not determined by statehood, or the official citizenship of a person. In this regard, there are no "Russophone Ukrainians'' as the government in Kiev claims. If Ukrainians are indeed a separate nation from Russia, then they should not keep by force what is essentially a Russian population being native in its eastern region in a non-Russian state. This amounts to nothing more than chauvinism, and since both our principles against chauvinism, and our principles against imperialism align, our position is completely clear regarding the issue in the eastern regions. The Kiev government is nothing more than an imperialist comprador, willing to plunge completely Ukraine into the abyss for regions which have almost no Ukrainians (if the Russian speaking population there is Ukrainian, then there is no difference between of Ukraine and Russia), and thus, we cannot even think of supporting it in this war.
Regarding the imperialist aims at war, I think that a world war over Ukraine is unlikely. Even if the Russians "invade" Ukraine, as the imperialists claim, I do not think that NATO forces will do anything close to engaging directly in this war, and this is why neither Ukraine or Georgia still are not in NATO. If Ukraine enters NATO, NATO has two options: disband, or follow its own charter which says that if one NATO member is attacked, all should attack the attacker. Since Crimea technically part of Ukraine, this would mean that Europe and America would be forced to directly fight Russia, something which the imperialist powers aren't willing to do. Otherwise, Ukraine and Georgia would be in NATO already. Nonetheless, in both cases (i.e.. Russo-Ukrainian war escalating, or NATO getting involved and starting a full scale world war) we will support Russia, and keep opposing imperialist and compradors governments who are willing to enter our nations to a war against Russia, a nuclear power, due to the whims of the cosmopolitan bourgeoisie and their drive for super-profit to satisfy their profit requirements and also satisfy the huge labor aristocracy that is shrinking in the home population of the imperialist nations.
We call for there to be no imperialist war against Russia and for a civil war against our comprador bourgeoisie. Our nations are at stake, and it is not a question of theory and neither is a question of just putting the working class in power, it is a question of the survival of our nations, which can only survive when its builders, the proletariat, smash the bourgeoisie state and put their own dictatorship in its place, and purge the destroyer of nations, capitalism, to the dustbin of history.
Reposting from other thread so newfags can see
>>519352Me and others have been saying from day 1 that the conflict itself, originally mostly diplomatic was the happening itself.
Now that military intervention and the recoginition of the republics has been made, the domain of the happening has expanded significantly.
>>519355Putin is fulfilling dugins dream
May Eurasia happen :p
>>519362Stop going online and stop being american. If anything now that euros will need to burn clothes for warmth they'll become aware of how much cuck they are. Only civilization that went from colonizers to colonized.
Pathetic to be honest.
>>519362That once the us kicks russia out of the I think swift system
De dedollarization will occur rapidly and the us will collapse in the long term while russia only suffers in the short term
Updates from Ukrainian draw anon.
https://leftypol.org/draw/res/1.html#q2108I will enlist into the Ukrainian Territorial Defence Forces, new militia and guerrilla unit
Spread awareness of the war and war crimes, this war may end up very bloody. Ukraine is a place with almost 40 million inhabitants, when Iran and Iraq were fighting each other in 1980 hundreds of thousands of people died
This is going to be way worse than Afghanistan and Chechnya
The quickest way to end it is for the entire population of Ukraine to surrender (impossible) or to sanction the Russian government and oligarchs and make them leave. Address your national deputies asking to support Ukraine and send at least humanitarian aid to the country
THOSE OF YOU WHO SUPPORTED PUTIN: you fucked up big time but you still can fix your mistakes by addressing your district's deputy to the national parliament. Ukraine will need all help it can get
>>519368It's to give putin more legitimacy by destroying the grand enemy that putin has built up through media ukraine(tho it's easy to do that with Ukrainians for a reason)
And then blame any ensuing economic problems on the evil west that's clearly ruining the economy by sanctioning us
It's also helps putins use of dugunist Eurasia shit since now russia is absorbing what's considered part of dugins eurasia sphere
There's also the fact that russia has increasingly tied itself with china and that this might be one big gamble that the us order will die soon so fuck the us let's rely on china
and that if the us kicks russia out of the dollar system it's just going to accelerate dedolarization which fucks russia over in the short term and us more in the long term
>>519378Might as well be. There are always going to be civilian atrocities, but it seems the Russians are exercising restraint.
There would be a hell of a lot more if they just went in without suppressing first.
>>519396
>During a reactionary war a revolutionary class cannot but desire the defeat of its government.
>This is axiomatic, and disputed only by conscious partisans or helpless satellites of the social-chauvinists. Among the former, for instance, is Semkovsky of the Organising Committee (No. 2 of its Izvestia), and among the latter, Trotsky and Bukvoyed,[2] and Kautsky in Germany. To desire Russia’s defeat, Trotsky writes, is “an uncalled-for and absolutely unjustifiable concession to the political methodology of social-patriotism, which would replace the revolutionary struggle against the war and the conditions causing it, with an orientation—highly arbitrary in the present conditions—towards the lesser evil” (Nashe Slovo No. 105).
>This is an instance of high-flown phraseology with which Trotsky always justifies opportunism. A “revolutionary struggle against the war” is merely an empty and meaning less exclamation, something at which the heroes of the Second International excel, unless it means revolutionary action against one’s own government even in wartime. One has only to do some thinking in order to understand this. Wartime revolutionary action against one’s own government indubitably means, not only desiring its defeat, but really facilitating such a defeat. dengoids cant even read half page pamphlets by lenin
>>519389Based.
>>519360You're a clown if you think the people living in those areas have no stake on what happens regarding war, bombs, sanctions, seiges.
Fucking retard.
>>519401Lenin, later on, criticized that dogshit thanks to the multiple misreadings of his words, pseud.
revolutionary defeatism is not about 'not muh side' but to proactively sabotaging your ruling class so they fail.
leninhat and you are only in their armchairs doing 100% trotkyism.
>>774054>>519409Goota repost because you are psued:
Got ya. Since you didn't specify which source you wanted, I bring both points:
Lenin retracting this revolutionary defeatism.
Starting with the first part:
In this link he underlines his position about this misslabeleb revolutionary defeatism (note the date)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/aug/x01.htm>From the viewpoint of the working class and the toiling masses of all the peoples of Russia, the defeat of the tsarist monarchy and its army, which oppress Poland, the Ukraine, and many other peoples of Russia, and foment hatred among the peoples so as to increase Great-Russian oppression of the other nationalities, and consolidate the reactionary and barbarous government of the tsar’s monarchy, would be the lesser evil by far.Which was a comment on what communists should do, and was interpreted by Trotsky as a form of let's do nothing, or "not victory nor war"
Two years later he criticizes this 'do nothing' strategy:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/feb/29b.htm
>What is the substitute proposed for the defeat slogan? It is that of “neither victory nor defeat” (Semkovsky in Izvestia No. 2; also the entire Organising Committee in No. 1). This, however, is nothing but a paraphrase of the “defence of the fatherland” slogan. It means shifting the issue to the level of a war between governments (who, according to the content of this slogan, are to keep to their old stand, “retain their positions"), and not to the level of the struggle of the oppressed classes against their governments! It means justifying the chauvinism of all the imperialist nations, whose bourgeoisie are always ready to say—and do say to the people—that they are “only” fighting “against defeat”. “The significance of our August 4 vote was that we are not for war but against defeat," David, a leader of the opportunists, writes in his book. The Organising Committee, together with Bukvoyed and Trotsky, stand on fully the same ground as David when they defend the “neither-victory nor-defeat” slogan.
>On closer examination, this slogan will be found to mean a “class truce”, the renunciation of the class struggle by the oppressed classes in all belligerent countries, since the class struggle is impossible without dealing blows at one’s “own” bourgeoisie, one’s “own” government, whereas dealing a blow at one’s own government in wartime is (for Bukvoyed’s information) high treason, means contributing to the defeat of one’s own country. Those who accept the “neither victory-nor-defeat” slogan can only be hypocritically in favour of the class struggle, of “disrupting the class truce”; in practice, such people are renouncing an independent proletarian policy because they subordinate the proletariat of all belligerent countries to the absolutely bourgeois task of safeguarding the imperialist governments against defeat. The only policy of actual, not verbal disruption of the “class truce”, of acceptance of the class struggle, is for the proletariat to take advantage of the difficulties experienced by its government and its bourgeoisie in order to overthrow them. This, however, cannot be achieved or striven for, without desiring the defeat of one’s own government and without contributing to that defeat.
>Those who stand for the “neither-victory-nor-defeat” slogan are in fact on the side of the bourgeoisie and the opportunists, for they do not believe in the possibility of inter national-revolutionary action by the working class against their own governments, and do not wish to help develop such action, which, though undoubtedly difficult, is the only task worthy of a proletarian, the only socialist task. It is the proletariat in the most backward of the belligerent. Great Powers which, through the medium of their party, have had to adopt—especially in view of the shameful treachery of the German and French Social-Democrats— revolutionary tactics that are quite unfeasible unless they “contribute to the defeat” of their own government, but which alone lead to a European revolution, to the permanent peace of socialism, to the liberation of humanity from the horrors, misery, savagery and brutality now prevailing.He slams the bad use of defeatism as a way of returning to the pre-war era, because precisely is used by the imperialists to do the war without having any posture against their own ruling classes.
This is a particularly good essay on the topic, that it is in marxists.org, too:
https://www.workersliberty.org/story/2017-07-26/lenin-and-myth-revolutionary-defeatism-hal-draperThe part in which Trotsky worked to implement defeatism alongside the nazis was in the Moscow trials:
<Pavliukov and The 1937 Trial Transcript Compared >This summary of Radek’s confession of December 22, 1936 is consistent with Radek’s testimony at the January 1937 trial. In fact Vyshinsky read a brief quotation from this very confession in his opening statement at the trial:>For example, the accused Radek, confirming Pyatakov’s testimony, testified during examination on December 22, 1936, that one of the points of the agreement reached between Trotsky and the representatives of the German National-Socialist Party was the obligation>“. . . during Germany’s war against the U.S.S.R. . . . to adopt a defeatist position, to intensify diverse activities, particularly in enterprises of military importance … to act on Trotsky’s instructions agreed upon with the German General Staff.” (Vol. V, p. 152) (1937 Trial 10-11)<Romm to Vyshinsky in the trials>to undermine confidence in Stalin’s Five-Year Plan, in the new technique, and in that way, to undermine confidence in the Party leadership. Emphasizing the necessity of extreme measures, Trotsky quoted the Latin proverb to the effect: “What medicine cannot heal, iron will heal, and what iron cannot heal, fire will heal.” I remember that somewhat perplexed, I suggested that this would undermine the defense capacity of the country at a time when, with the accession of Hitler to power, the danger of war, and particularly the danger of an attack on the U.S.S.R. by Germany, was becoming particularly acute. To this question, I did not get a comprehensive reply, but Trotsky hinted that it was precisely the growing acuteness of the war danger that may place defeatism on the order of the dayDefeatism, if anything, is an invention hyped by Trotskyites whenever is convenient to support their political ambitions, siding with even nazis. And leninhat when talks about revolutionary defeatism, which was used stupidity by other factions, he doesn't acknowledge that Lenin fought against deviations of his words. He, rather ghastly, instead of assuming a defeatist position in the U.K., and starting to do what revolutionaries, do sabotage their own governments in wartime, assumes revolutionary defeatism is the 'neither with Russia nor with NATO' in his jibberish.
>>519418Attacks thundered, bullets rang out,
And machine guns fired sporadically…
And our girl in her greatcoat was going,
Through the burning Kakhovka…
Under the hot sun, under the black of night
We made it through a lot.
We are a peaceful people, but our armored train
Stands ready on the reserve rails!
>>519431Lives are being lost and you think i'm "parodying". fuck off.
i thought china was smarter. guess not.
>>519422No they aren't.
1) incorrectly reducing anything reactionary into 'fascism'
2) dubiously assuming anything except the current flavor-of-the-century ideology is a non-solution
3) falsely equating two different sides, including one which is more likely to kill them, thereby detracting from the socialist cause
for a few quick examples of why that's a dumb statement.
>>519436China is being the only adult in this. They're taking the mantle of leadership from the US, which is just another monkey flinging shit here.
Hundreds of thousands died from covid, people are dying in Gaza and Syria all the time, nobody bats an eye.
Russia executes one surgical blitz and everybody loses their minds.
>>519436Lives are being lost no matter what the outcome.I would expect them to be tactical and nothing more. For a country also dealing with NATO aggression, it seems like a sane choice.
After Kazakhstan, are you surprised?
>>519368>Still, to me invading the whole of Ukraine seems quite reckless if all Russia wants to do is send out a warning.They need to do it to some degree if they are to demilitarize it. With Georgia, this wasn't an issue since it's just so small. I really doubt they'll occupy it.
>>519370Well the thing is that the internet provides an incredible opportunity for discourse and education, but that's difficult to do and it mostly goes squandered. Like with TV before it, nd radio before that.
>>519464The US literally turned Libya - the most prosperous African country - into a failed state over nothing, but killing some nazis to liberate the independent states (and possibly the rest of Ukraine) is beyond the pale.
It's all cynical.
>>519456livemap is reporting from Ukrainian side? highly unlikely. Russia blasted all AA.
>>519462There are awful people there, but that doesn't render the fact that many communists also fought for DPR. No communist fought hand in hand with Ukraine to control DPR in Ukraine, so cry more tears libtard.
>>519471Those are Hips, aka transports
VDV incoming, this is gonna be Zelensky in about an hour
>>5194621. There are communists fighting in Luhensk and Donetsk
2. The far right wingers that are there are pretty much fellow travellers.
3. In comparison to the Ukranian military, the Azov battlion is a straight up extension of the Ukranian state.
The Donetsk and Luhensk don't have a Nazi-paramilitary organization.
Like seriously, who are the "putinoids" here. Most of them view him with critical support against NATO agression. If you want to talk about Putin using the LP/DPR as proxies, then you might have an argument.
But as far as things go, you have a better chance of seeing the LPR and DPR of taking up the red banner than the Ukranian government.
Folks are out here really not understanding what the "critical" from Critical support means.
>>519488nato tried to expand to ukraine, russian in turns expands to ukraine first
there is tension among nato and russia; the post 1991 status quo is shook, the opportunity for communists is once agane opened
>>519478Looks like the main thrust.
Once these guys break through, they finna cut off all forces in the east. Anyone left fighting by sundown is going to be mopped up.
Seven days to the river rhine? More like one day to the dniepr.
>>519521American glownigs staying up all night.
ha
>>519539Only question is will they keep going?
Also, will Zelensky fucking surrender yet?
>>519548Slavic nazis and jewish nazis do exist even if it makes no sense
>>519553I mean the Kiev regime
obvio
>>519407>leninhat and you are only in their armchairs doing 100% trotkyism.I think this is uncalled for
If they were doing 100% trotskyism they'd be trying to collaborate with Hitler for a rump socialist russian State because "a world war is unwinnable" or they would be running the Vichy government with trots like Jacques Doriot
What Leninhat is doing is left-communism as he's not actually sabotaging anything or helping imperialism
>>519549You didn't SEE the Belarusian tanks
because they're not there!
>>519560>What Leninhat is doing isinfantile shitposting without any irony
they're only doing left-communism in the sense of sitting in a chair doing nothing of value.
which I won't critisize them for, as it's for the greater good they don't get involved in actual anti-capitalism
>>519538https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion>>519537>implying you must be pro-Russia>not stanning the LPR AND DPR in this conflict Russia is only a means to an end to strike a blow at NATO hegemony. Outside of that, Russia is still an oligarchic
imperialist entity, but nowhere NEAR the lecherous great satan that is NATO, the US and the anglo-sphere.
>>519546Please do.
>>519570Here's the definition that you will dismiss out of hand:
Fascism: A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.
>>519579because you're an prejudiced fool.
I consider them both my enemies along with NATO rules. I'm not some 'anti-NATO is gud' binary-brain.
>>519585 (me)
autocorrection obviously messed up there but you get the point.
*rulers
>>519586cheer for a team or get outta the stadium!!
why isn't usa using nukes?
So the Ukraine situation has reached the absolute mainstream. Centrists and moderately "political" people are sharing feel good "Pray for Ukraine" posts, self-righteous liberals analyzing the situation and demanding nothing short of a thermonuclear bomb on Russia. Putin more or less fucked up with this move. He's now the aggressor, and everyone's fears will be justified. No one is gonna bother listening to the "Putin's aggression is the result of NATO expansion and American imperialism, the root is NATO.", people are gonna be more stubborn in believing American imperialism is good for the world.
I think you guys have yet to grasp how absolutely fucked we are because of Putin's retarded antics. China is rising, and with Russia invading Ukraine, people are gonna think China's gonna do the same because they're more or less paired with Russia anyways. With American decline and increased propaganda funding, the Western powers will be able to manufacture consent and conjure a collective, cohesive hatred and rage that will rival the Islamophobia of post 9/11 and at the most extreme case, possibly the anti-Semitism of Nazi Germany itself. We're already seeing it with the reoccurring Asian hate crimes and venomous reception by the press towards the Beijing Olympics and Eileen Gu.
This isn't just inter-capitalist infighting, communists will get it the worst. Despite being the most blatant anti-communist politician out there, Russia and Putin is still associated with the Soviet Union, communism, and socialism in the eyes of most people. Socialism will be co-opted, manipulated, and sabotaged from inside and outside. The old world is dying again, and thus reborn is the age of fucking monsters.
>>519572> Please do.https://socialist.news/russia/nationality/defense-tatar-language/ that's trots
https://kazanfirst.ru/articles/465222 that's Tatar communist faction leader complaining about detatarification policies (federal KPRF deputies generally support all russification efforts while regional protesting it)
Tatarstan is the most well-known republic of Russian Federation, there are also instances of liberal activists being denied use of Komi language in Komi republic and so on.
>>519600It is happening actually.
A fucking lot of helicopters are getting into Hostomel.
>>519596And all this is based beyond comprension tbh.
Destroy everything so we can rebuild.
Unironically accept monke.
>>519600Where are the anons
who shitposted with me
when history was made
On lefty pol, we posted memes
The bois of the old brigade
>>519542Tukhachevsky needed shooting
He was a pro germanophile that praised Hitler and was planning to open up the front in the event of a war so he could achieve a bonapartist rise to power
The Russian gov released docs showing he was fucking guilty in 2018 and trot-rats (who pay no attention to soviet history beyond parroting phrases they hear repeated) still repeat it
https://istmat-org.translate.goog/node/59108?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp >>519574Hahahahaha what does that mean at this point, blocking them on twitter?
Bitch they are in your base killing your d00dz
>>519614You maybe native american but speak like a true settler burger cuck my friend.
That said you shouldn't he mad. This is based as fuck.
>>519616It's a play on:
>muh freeze peachwhich is an established mocking meme of:
>my free speech!often said by people complaining about censorship.
The intended meaning being I'm not trying to tell you what you can or can't say, I just think you're wasting time replying seriously to jokes.
>>519625And they're all fighting over the corpse of the socialist republic they betrayed. Fits.
Except, uh, Russia is also NATO and Zelensky is Milosevic, and Donetsk is Kosovo/Bosnia…
>>519619Oh the year was 2017,
How I wish I was back there, right now,
With a happening vid that'd make our day,
but now that time has gone away,
god-damn them all.
I was there, when times were had,
when hopes were high and none were sad,
shed your tears,
now I'm stuck with /pol/yp bridgadeers,
the last of leftypols buccaneers…
>>519627You will be fired if you don't go in to work. The doors will be locked so you cannot go home. You can then write a thread on antiwork about how mean your manager is.
This is what freedom is.
>>519649>rocket flamethrowerswut
/AKM/ pls explain
>>519660retard media talk
its a fuel-air bomb
>>519660I literally attached a wikipedia link dumbass
its a rocket that first bursts covering a large area in flammable aerosols and then ignites those aerosols.
>>519661Well, you're anti-NATO if this is you
>>519572. And that's good enough for me. I don't see how this is a blow to NATO though, it just seems like it'll strengthen it. Cutting Nordstream was good enough. Why fucking invade? Man gone senile
This morning all media were whining about how russians invaded Mariupol and Odessa
Of course, this was a fucking lie
https://ru.interfax.com.ua/news/general/801088.html>>519678This proves that Ukraine still has AA capabilities though.
I don't think that Russia will invade Ukraine in a matter of weeks, this is probably going to be an operation that will endure, at the very least, 3 months.
>>519681It might appear that way on the tactical level, but the resistance they're facing is going to be irrelevant when those units are cut off and the Dniepr is taken, and possibly Kiev soon.
Not to mention that warehouses and airfields have been taken out. Ukraine has no capacity to wage an extended war anymore.
>>519687All of it if we go with what Putin has said.
Like, he accused Lenin of making this Ukraine up as a non-country and that it will "decommunize it".
Tbh it sounded like literal Tzarist Cope, and he is going with it.
>>519681This is just a first wave to strike into strategic depth which has seemingly been a resounding success.
The true test will come when their is contact with an advancing front and Ukraine's ability to operate under severely degraded conditions
>>519596>>519642Who cares what a bunch of labour aristocrats in the imperial core think?
>>519680Yes. These people won't change their minds until material conditions force them to do so
>>519697>Tbh it sounded like literal Tzarist Cope, and he is going with it.it was one
Putin was always an anticommunist. Or at least from 1991 openly
>>519698This means "surrender or we're taking everything"
He needs to take the L.
>>519694oh fug
I wonder what ArchiveTeam is up to right now…
>>519702They're on the Dnieper but only near the Crimea, everywhere else it's still unknown how much they're advanced.
I would say the frontlines look kinda like this.
>>519687>Most likely outcome Donetsk and Luhansk are expanded to their De-Jure / Claimed borders. And Ukraine is permacucked out of joining NATO like georgia.
>Second most likely. Same outcome. But Donetsk and Luhansk are potentially given even more then their claimed / de-jure territory and Ukraine gets a Germany post-ww1 level peace deal that completely bans them from having a standing army or whatever 'disarmament' means to Putin
>5% Chance of happening.Neo-Berlin wall down the banks of Dnieper.
>0.1% Chance of happening.Putin declares himself the Imperial regent and pushes on to Lviv.
>>519720hm, sounds like Shtrafbat
BUT ISN'T THAT WHAT EBIL STALIN WAS DOING?
>>519709I got you
>St. Petersburg (ND). Vladimir Putin, 2nd Mayor of St. Petersburg and Chairman of the Committee for External Relations of the city of six million, has made it clear to German business representatives that a military dictatorship along the lines of the Chilean model would be the desirable solution to Russia's current political problems. This was reported by WDR in the TV feature "Aufbruch nach Osten" (Monday, January 3, 1994, WEST 3 from 9:15 to 9:45 p.m.).
>Putin answered questions from representatives of BASF, Dresdner Bank, Alcatel and others who met in the former GDR Consulate General in St. Petersburg. Putin distinguished between "necessary" and "criminal" violence. He said that political violence is criminal if it is aimed at eliminating market-economy conditions, and "necessary" if it promotes or protects private capital investments. He, Putin, expressly approved of possible preparations by Yeltsin and the military to bring about a Pinochet-style dictatorship in view of the difficult private economic path. Putin's remarks were received with friendly applause both by the German company representatives and by the deputy German consul general who was present.https://www.nd-aktuell.de/artikel/461493.pinochet-als-vorbild.html?sstr=putin >>519714LMAO they are way farther than that near sumy you are joking
twitter users from mikolaivka and охтирка are reporting russian troops passing them. Kharkiv is already surrounded.
If you want to find out how far they've gone, google villages and see what people are reporting.
>>774440What do you stand for though?
>>519723Oh noes! Vladolf Putler is at it again!
>>519673Ah yup that's me. Well in that case I'll give my take:
>Aren't you worried how this will just ramp-up consent for NATO and by extension Sinophobia? Or is it one of those things you think people will just forget and move on with their lives as the next news cycle goes by?Personally I'd argue both, but to the level of shittening of the pants that the US does. We already have the murdoch press ramping up the shit-smears of sinophobia already, and this conflict isn't exactly going to change our attitude towards china as a whole. Keep in mind, we already signed the AUKUS deal. Tensions are thick with China enough as it is, but I doubt China will do anything like Russia has done that would warrant a major political response. Australia, although being a proxy of imperialism and an imperialist nation, doesn't have much aspiration to conquer and expand its territory and influence as it is part of the commonwealth. It's close to a mexico standoff unless the US twists our arm to do their bidding, but I don't think our politicians, inept as they are, would actually be stupid to start a war with our biggest trading partner.
How this conflict relates to us is that I believe that it'll be nothing but liberal-anti russia propaganda but nothing as inflamatory. The conflict in the Ukraine has little to do with Australian interests, as Russia isn't a major trading partner nor a neighbouring superpower to us.
The true future of our country depends on wether the yanks will fuck off and if we actually negotiate a peaceful and mutually beneficial relationship with China. Say what you will about Paul Keating, but I'm in agreement with him that us demonising and sabre rattling at china as opposed to learning to live with them is the correct position to take.
>>774440>Keep sucking Putin's fascist cock while The communist party of russia endorsed the liberation of Ukraine. are they fascist too?
https://cprf.ru/2022/02/gennady-zyuganov-it-is-time-to-put-a-stop-to-natos-actions-to-turn-ukraine-into-a-fascist-state-2/And how does Putin constitute being a fascist (rather than a christian conservative) considering he's issued a statement on de-nazifying ukraine
>while he continues to murder thousands of peopleLibs say this yet ignore the fact the Kiev gov killed 14000 of it's own people in an 8 year period
They executed communists, socialists and trade unionists in the streets.
If killings gotta be done I'd rather those that wave nazi, Stepan Bandera and OUN flags and welcome US
>>519727this was written in 1994. If you look at putins recent economic policy its been changing to nationalization of many private buisness
aka hes evolved into a mussolini
>>519703>>519734>>519680Alright, it is a bit idealistic thinking what people think will affect things.
So what does Putin invading Ukraine mean actually? Like in the grand scheme of things? What has this been all about? Because everything seemed standard until this whole invasion.
>>519757sadge
Wonder how many CIA atrocities and Nazi lists are on those docs.
>>519770Who's they? Ukrainian Air Force is gone.
Also, of course they have MANPADS. That one anon who freaked out over the helicopter shootdown was being over-dramatic.
>>519758>Alright, it is a bit idealistic thinking what people think will affect things. but anon, I ask you again, why would Australia deliberately engage in militaristic provocation of China, our bigest trading partner. Materially for my nations bourgoisie, this makes no sense.
>So what does Putin invading Ukraine mean actuallyMy guess is to counter NATO hegemony and to expand his own. That's why I'm worried for the LPR and the DPR as I would hope for them to develop on their own and become their own nation, as opposed to a Russian proxy.
>>519779Rimmy's Australian.
It's good to know that there is at least one other aussie also as much of an autistic war nerd as me to be awake at 11PMEST watching livestreams about the Ukrainian war lol
>>519744bruh putins economic policy is close to mussolini style corporatism.
his economy policy is based heavily on allying with the borg while keeping them at the least kind off
One of his idelogical inspirations was fourth positionist dugin(who is just a third position larping as something else)
his political organization is not communist at all. and came into the existance after the failure of yelstin liberalism
and the alliance of communists dont really counter the fascist rethoric if you remember that mussolini himself allied with leftist syndies
like hes close to mussolinism what are you talking about?
>>519780Not quite the question I'm asking, what I'm getting at is that Ukraine was a bit of a gap between NATO and that post-Soviet alliance beginning with C.
Now that there isn't a somewhat neutral country in between, is it a hard border? Will that have much impact or deter further movement of borders?
>>519787NTA (not that aussie) but im also awake
mostly just shitposting…
>>519781If you think Putin does not jail genuine communists who call for the overthrow of Putininists Russia and the rebuilding of Soviet Russia then you are delusional. Just look at the Black panther guys still being detained in America for some clue okay ?
Face facts, stop having delusions of Putin's leftist credo, because he has none.
>>519798defense contractor stocks go brrrrrrrr
outlook good for finance bros
>>519813I'm not in it, but probably
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlashYou can click 'cytube' in the links at the top, after the board list.
>>519827Ukraine was determined to take back DPR/LPR by force and never implement Minsk. They were going to join NATO sooner or later (any talk otherwise was a "non-starter"). This would have then put Crimea at risk because at some point they'd try to take that back by force and if Russia resisted they'd be attacking a NATO member (which requires collective response by all of NATO).
How is that a good hand?
>>519826NATO wanted to show it's strength in Ukraine. Instead Russia has shown how weak it is. Nato now looks very weak
Russia just made every US ally question whether the alliance they have with USA is worth the paper its written on
It has weakened Europe though. Germany will now buy expensive LNG gas as US squeezes it like a cow to milk.
Germany now won't drift to an independent sphere (situated between US and Russia and China) but now will be cucked and locked into US ownership
France understands what's happening and did try to organise against it but failed.
Europe will now decline alongside US
>>519826>But the other Anons have a point though, doesn't this just legitimize NATO?What this anon says
>>519838Also, given their support for Ukraine (and how well that's going) the world can only look back and watch.
>>519895Reportedly some antifascists kidnapped some nazi and hanged him outside Kiev.
But other reports say Russian special forces did it. Cheers either way.
>>519907Oh my god you're so stupid words fail me. America has lots of gas. As does Canada. We are restarting our unfinished pipeline and alternative energy sources exist like nuclear and smr. Which can be deployed quickly and cheaply. You lost the energy game Putin cock gargler
>>519909Save it faggotha. Putin is the aggressor the entire world is condemning this
>>519918🙄
And you should do your socialist revolution, instead of acting like a liberal.
>>519924>>519924>America has lots of gas. As does Canada. We are restarting our unfinished pipeline and alternative energy sources exist like nuclear and smr. lol, ok, so good European ruling class can't agree on sanction Russia's energy market.
>>You lost the energy game Putin cock garglerIs this somehow a let's say Putin is a moron because he did a bad move, therefore why do all support this or something? not following the chain of thoughts, because I am just debunking your statements.
If that's a burn to you that you have to flex some weird and retard strawman, good.
>>519895I would agree with you if you weren't a retard.
Reminder you claimed the working class has no stake in this fight, when they are being manhandled by corrupt puppet governments, NATO, Russian aggression, Ukrainian nazis, sanctions, fake news.
You can't pretend (geo)-politics don't exist just because they don't fit in your world view.
Russia was pushed into this shit by NATO. If China did this to Russia, the situation would be the same. It's not that Russia is a victim, but there's a clear culprit to all of this. The issue is that NATO KEEPS pushing. If you truly don't want war then there's a clear path for it.
That's not getting into the fact that support for Ukraines government bullshit is support for NATO, an organization for imperialism. The situation is FUCKED, no doubt, but the working class it at the mercy of their handlers.
>>519940Well they literally kills Nordstrom so there's that.
You havent debunked anything you made an idiotic statement that muh gas hurts Germany more than Russia which was easily proven false
>>519956>there no democracy And where is?
>shenanigans of a crazy leaderSure thing. If this is just dementia thing the bourgs and army would told him to fuck off. They have a plan, it might be stupid and may not work but it goes beyond "doing stupid shit because le Leader wants it"
>>519974Do you presume Putin is some sort of heroic national liberation fighter or something ? If you think so then you are delusional. Face facts.
I have recommended Enver Hoxha so that you can understand the reality of the situation. Take it or leave it.
>>519908They hysteria is unreal, that's for sure. Even if there is no reason for Russia to do that, now or in the future. But still these people don't understand Why Ukraine went the way it did. Euromaidan and the U turn Ukraine took after that never happened and the Nazis in Ukrainian gov and military are all Russian propaganda. In their mind's this just came out of the blue and Putin went mad and attacked Ukraine because he could. All thanks to our piece of shit media that quote's yankee media 24/7 in all foreign policy related subjects.
I wouldn't be surprised if this me shithole country joins Nato now and probably Sweden too, the right has for long wished this. These people think we would be a proper western country then and that they would feel safe again if US practiced nuclear brinkmanship over our heads with Russia. If that were to happen it is a another powderkeg in Europe and I surely would not feel safe.
>>519978Make your fucking revolution. I don't care, I am tired of pseuds like you that don't have shit to criticize others, while they have decades of innaction.
Fuck off.
>>519976They are not integrated in the military branches of the state. cope
>>519993>their president is Jewish ffs<muh zelensky Jewish copeAnd Schindler worked under the nazi germany
That doesn't change they want and love genocide.
You don't fucking see communists fighting with the ukrainian military except fucking nazis, but you will see communists fighting alongside the DPR.
>All militaries will have nazis in their ranks since they are obsessedJFC the retardest shit I have ever read. JFC.
Can't you fucking compare what NATO did in Yugoslavia vs. what Russia is doing? the difference in the population, the scale of the violence. FUCK YOU.
>>519970>>519993>muh jewish presidentCool, now tell that one about those black people in the SS. Non-argument
>>519980Having a literal nazi battalion integrated in your army and praising ww2 nazi collaborators makes your country fascist, yes. That's how marxists saw West Germany.
Hope tearing down all those Lenin statues was worth it tho. Lel
>>519375He's correct.
From today on Us unipolar world is over.
Its Porky A vs Porky B.
>>520004The fact you take it so personal defending an invading force tells a lot.
Surely a country so sympathetic to nazis will have far right parties flooding the parliament right? I invite you to research by yourself how much seats they have.
>>520015Purists are pampered trash who have it too good.
They should have all their wealth taken from them.
>>519950what would 40s Marx say?
what would 70s Marx say?
>>519990Is that a video? I remember a video by umami?
>>520029Don't be shy, come on. What do you think?
>>519729Undisputed control over a new market.
That said they will probably lose more in sanctions than what they gain from this.
>>520074kek what are they gonna do? Buy guns from Somalis?
They don't have a navy left, they can't even send boatfuls of cash across the Black Sea to Turkey for more murderdrones.
>>520071>>520071Why won't anybody please think of the
CHYNAH?
>>520073Possibly. Calculated cost. And tbh, if it was to stop those murders, I more than happy.
>>520081Who was posting that meme about the SJW shooting JDAMs or whatever?
That goes both ways uygha
>>520106this
Pooting is a fucking moron; just take with what you had in the breakaway republics and stop until further notice
>>520106Give it time bruh.
It's only a matter of time till the Gas becomes expensive as hell and everything goes to shit in Europe.
Once they recognized that they
can't antagonize Russia NATO will start breaking over it's own weight.
guyz, george w bush has just condemned the "unprovoked and unjustified invasion"
https://twitter.com/vmsalama/status/1496839582427774976how will putler ever recover?
>>520079>supportive most are not "supportive", but we recognize that it was nato geopolitical aggression that lead to this, and not "muh putin want landz" lib shit
I still condemn the invasion, but putin spitting straight fact in speech while libs screech to see their pet nazis that kept bombing the republics get fucked is pretty funny
>>520107Well, the fact you saw videos by hundreds of heli doing find, this seems very miniaml. KA52 are gound hunters, and very fast and agile, that's why they face more stinger fights.
The same happened in Iraq, with the costly vipers always getting downed. The U.S. started to rely on their older versions, the apache because a fucking viper down hurts, 2 per week is a pain in the ass.
>>520130There's nothing to hope.
Its already in force after the events of today.
I don't really see a way back.
>>519989I am tired of pseuds like Putin and Xi Jinping who took forever to "overthrow a unipolar world" who don't have shit to criticize others, while they have decades of innaction.
Fuck off.
>>520141yeah we live in interesting times, sit back and enjoy the breakdown of the neoliberal delusion.
All the frothing liberals will be radicalizing in a few years. That they sperg now is just a necessary process in shattering their worldview.
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