No.519347[Last 50 Posts]
CURB STOMP BATTLE
SIZZLE GANG
TO WATCH FOR NEWS:
https://liveuamap.com/Live updates from Texan commie boomer in Donbass:
https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTexacFor Russiabros, analysis from Boris Rozhin:
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/ (has a telegram, lots of cool stuff there too)
QRD
"Modern Ukraine was completely created by Russia," Putin says in speech to the nation“
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495832687227068422Putin: "We are ready to show you what true de-Communization means to Ukraine."“
https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1495833069676335104“PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE'S ADMISSION TO NATO IS A DIRECT THREAT TO RUSSIA'S SECURITY || NATO TRAINING CENTRES ESTABLISHED IN UKRAINE AMOUNT TO NATO MILITARY BASES“
https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1495840775082737664Putin says Ukraine is a "U.S. colony" with a "puppet regime"
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495840971208429568“Russia claims Ukraine invaded Russia and says 5 Ukrainian soldiers were killed and two APCs destroyed near Rostov.
https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1495745864320831492Putin, in televised address on Ukraine crisis, talks about a "nationalistic virus" says 1991 collapse of Soviet Union saw Russia robbed
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1495834881028411393“Putin: "Why did we have to transfer the rights to the territories that had been part of the Russian Empire?"“
https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1495832267687669763PUTIN SPEECH WAS PRERECORDED:
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1495775697121517570Russia & Syria officially recognize LNR and DPR
https://mobile.twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1495845600834822147Syria recognizing LNR/DPR
https://twitter.com/the_ragex/status/1495847706555781123Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua likely to recognize the Donetsk and Lugansk republics shortly
https://twitter.com/the_ragex/status/1495850619487371265Putin Calls For Ukraine To Break Apart
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/russian-president-putin-ukraine-break-apart_n_6213d491e4b0ef74d724b3a0"President Biden will soon issue an Executive Order that will prohibit new investment, trade, and financing by U.S. persons to, from, or in the so-called DNR and LNR regions of Ukraine," Jen Psaki says following recognition by Putin of regions as "independent."
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1495858379243282434
>EU leadership @vonderleyen & @eucopresident say that bloc will react with sanctions "against those involved in this illegal act" of recognising Donetsk and Luhansk. >Suggests individual, targeted sanctions: not the big ol' war package that everyone has been talking up for weeks.https://twitter.com/HenryJFoy/status/1495853591764082700Communist Party of Russia has just endorsed Putin's call to recognise the DNR and LNR.
Zyuganov: "Look how zealous the Americans and British are now. They forced Ukraine to send almost all its troops to the Donetsk-Luhansk region. More than 100k in a patch of 40-50km."
https://twitter.com/pawelwargan/status/1495857447973572610 No.519349
>liveuamap not working
THE RUSSIANS GOT THEM OMG OMG CYBER PUTLER AT IT AGAIN
No.519350
Hopefully Putin makes this quick and painless for all except Right Sector/Azov/Central Govt.
Consistent with our views regarding imperialism and the national question, unlike many Communists and communist parties (like for example KKE), I don't consider the conflict in eastern Ukraine an intra-imperialist conflict between two large imperialist camps of the "west" and the "east". In my opinion, this is nothing more than imperialist aggression against the current national bourgeois government of Russia which tries to push back against the imperialist forces, and it is not in isolation from the general world-imperialist offensive against the proletariat of the world. Thus, by default, we in general, support the Russians (both the ones living in Russia, and the ones living in Ukraine) for both anti-imperialist reasons and due to reasons of our view regarding the national question.
What do we mean by the national question? In my opinion nations are not subjective things, but objective things. They are not determined by statehood, or the official citizenship of a person. In this regard, there are no "Russophone Ukrainians'' as the government in Kiev claims. If Ukrainians are indeed a separate nation from Russia, then they should not keep by force what is essentially a Russian population being native in its eastern region in a non-Russian state. This amounts to nothing more than chauvinism, and since both our principles against chauvinism, and our principles against imperialism align, our position is completely clear regarding the issue in the eastern regions. The Kiev government is nothing more than an imperialist comprador, willing to plunge completely Ukraine into the abyss for regions which have almost no Ukrainians (if the Russian speaking population there is Ukrainian, then there is no difference between of Ukraine and Russia), and thus, we cannot even think of supporting it in this war.
Regarding the imperialist aims at war, I think that a world war over Ukraine is unlikely. Even if the Russians "invade" Ukraine, as the imperialists claim, I do not think that NATO forces will do anything close to engaging directly in this war, and this is why neither Ukraine or Georgia still are not in NATO. If Ukraine enters NATO, NATO has two options: disband, or follow its own charter which says that if one NATO member is attacked, all should attack the attacker. Since Crimea technically part of Ukraine, this would mean that Europe and America would be forced to directly fight Russia, something which the imperialist powers aren't willing to do. Otherwise, Ukraine and Georgia would be in NATO already. Nonetheless, in both cases (i.e.. Russo-Ukrainian war escalating, or NATO getting involved and starting a full scale world war) we will support Russia, and keep opposing imperialist and compradors governments who are willing to enter our nations to a war against Russia, a nuclear power, due to the whims of the cosmopolitan bourgeoisie and their drive for super-profit to satisfy their profit requirements and also satisfy the huge labor aristocracy that is shrinking in the home population of the imperialist nations.
We call for there to be no imperialist war against Russia and for a civil war against our comprador bourgeoisie. Our nations are at stake, and it is not a question of theory and neither is a question of just putting the working class in power, it is a question of the survival of our nations, which can only survive when its builders, the proletariat, smash the bourgeoisie state and put their own dictatorship in its place, and purge the destroyer of nations, capitalism, to the dustbin of history.
Reposting from other thread so newfags can see
No.519352
Nothing burger
No.519354
War hasn't started it's all a ukrainian cope
No.519355
>>519352Me and others have been saying from day 1 that the conflict itself, originally mostly diplomatic was the happening itself.
Now that military intervention and the recoginition of the republics has been made, the domain of the happening has expanded significantly.
No.519356
Russia is a fascist imperialist state no different than western powers.
No.519357
Where is fizzle gang at?
No.519358
>>519355Putin is fulfilling dugins dream
May Eurasia happen :p
No.519359
>>519350>Reposting from other thread so newfags can seeyou mean from reddit
No.519360
The proletariat has absolutely no stake in a fight between two anticommunist fascist regimes.
The proletariat only has itself and communism to liberate ourselves.
No.519362
How do I cope that Russia's invasion is only strengthening support for NATO? I've been on Twitter lately and the amount of Americans who don't even have the slightest idea what their country has done and assume themselves as the world police is depressing. I won't even browse Reddit which probably has warhawks that would make John Bolton blush. It's nice socialism and communism is on the rise, but we're still such a relative minority. The truth of the matter is that we are still living in an American-led hegemonic world order, and I'm tired of it. Right now we're living in a world where Americans will justify invading and exterminating my country if they pleased, and everyone will support it. To you Western communists organizing,I I envy you because you can work these people to the right path directly. I can only watch as they beat the drums of war.
No.519364
>>519362Stop going online and stop being american. If anything now that euros will need to burn clothes for warmth they'll become aware of how much cuck they are. Only civilization that went from colonizers to colonized.
Pathetic to be honest.
No.519366
>>519362That once the us kicks russia out of the I think swift system
De dedollarization will occur rapidly and the us will collapse in the long term while russia only suffers in the short term
No.519368
Repostan from prev thread:
Wonder what the endgame is. Is anyone well-versed on the Russo-Georgian war? At first glance the situations seem quite similar. Invade pro-western regime to forego NATO membership, de facto occupy autonomous regions (Donetsk and Luhansk in Ukraine, South Ossetia and Abkhazia in Georgia) indefinitely.
Still, to me invading the whole of Ukraine seems quite reckless if all Russia wants to do is send out a warning. As I said, I'm not an expert as I was wrong about Russia recognizing LPR and DPR in the first place (I didn't even think they'd officially do that), but my gut feeling tells me they're really biting off more than they can chew here. Not trying to glow, feel free to weigh in and tell me how wrong I am.
No.519369
>>519360based and defeatismpilled
No.519370
>>519364I'm not American. Is online political discourse really useless though? Like, isn't it at the very least important to get a feel on how most people think? Should I just stick to irl organizing before going insane? I've heard the real life political climate is vastly different than the shitflinging on Twitter.
No.519371
Updates from Ukrainian draw anon.
https://leftypol.org/draw/res/1.html#q2108I will enlist into the Ukrainian Territorial Defence Forces, new militia and guerrilla unit
Spread awareness of the war and war crimes, this war may end up very bloody. Ukraine is a place with almost 40 million inhabitants, when Iran and Iraq were fighting each other in 1980 hundreds of thousands of people died
This is going to be way worse than Afghanistan and Chechnya
The quickest way to end it is for the entire population of Ukraine to surrender (impossible) or to sanction the Russian government and oligarchs and make them leave. Address your national deputies asking to support Ukraine and send at least humanitarian aid to the country
THOSE OF YOU WHO SUPPORTED PUTIN: you fucked up big time but you still can fix your mistakes by addressing your district's deputy to the national parliament. Ukraine will need all help it can get
No.519372
>>519360When leninhat is one of the sanest people on the thread you know there is a problem
No.519373
>>519368I imagine Russia is responding to behind the scenes dealings that the plebs aren't privvy to. Probably Ukraine was going to begin a formal process of NATO or EU integration and Putin wants to make that untenable
No.519376
>>519368It's to give putin more legitimacy by destroying the grand enemy that putin has built up through media ukraine(tho it's easy to do that with Ukrainians for a reason)
And then blame any ensuing economic problems on the evil west that's clearly ruining the economy by sanctioning us
It's also helps putins use of dugunist Eurasia shit since now russia is absorbing what's considered part of dugins eurasia sphere
There's also the fact that russia has increasingly tied itself with china and that this might be one big gamble that the us order will die soon so fuck the us let's rely on china
and that if the us kicks russia out of the dollar system it's just going to accelerate dedolarization which fucks russia over in the short term and us more in the long term
No.519377
>>519376By sanctioning russia i mean not the us
No.519379
Seeing a lot of people worried about civilians in Ukraine. Most of these people didn't seem to care about civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan (pre-nuTaliban regime), Syria, Libya and so on.
No.519380
I wonder what happens when the Ukraine nationalist underground that will inevitably be formed after decapitation starts blasting pipeline infrastructure. I think this scenario is possibly the most dangerous element that will come out of this and has the potential of causing severe problems for both Russia and Continental yurop
No.519382
>>519378Might as well be. There are always going to be civilian atrocities, but it seems the Russians are exercising restraint.
There would be a hell of a lot more if they just went in without suppressing first.
No.519383
>>519380Burgers will just reactivate NS2 because they need their sweet gas and they dont care about some peace or war shit
No.519385
*casualties, not atrocities
No.519386
Never forget who fights these wars. Hint: It's not rich people.
No.519387
>>519383>what's DiaMat.Jesus, Marx taught this, and you cope believing they won't do it.
No.519388
>>519384It's been only 10 hours
No.519389
Threadly reminder that despite having the wrong reasons Putin has objectively done more for the Left than anyone bitching and moaning in this thread.
>Defended Cuba to this very day and is even open to further military cooperation. Russia is still the sole reason that the Americans have not just wiped out Cuba entirely because military incursion will invite a Russian response.
>Defended the Syrian government against Western backed jihadists
>Defended Belarus against a color revolution
>Supporting China through energy/trade deals
>Open to military cooperation with Nicaragua
>Defended Venezuela repeatedly through military/technical advice and humanitarian aid although Cuba did do more
Meanwhile "muh both sides" retards will happily sit and watch as NATO devours the entire earth.
No.519392
>>519360Objectively correct take.
No.519395
>>519390The "Red Napoleon", created the theory of "deep battle" (supposedly being used now), then executed as a traitor in the Great Purge
No.519396
>>519392Ultraleftist infantile take
No.519397
>>519395He was kinda crazy to be honest
No.519399
>>519395> (supposedly being used now)Wasn't it used in WW2, iirc?
No.519400
https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/status/1496745429672857602Supposedly Russia could be targeting US biolabs in Ukraine. Thoughts?
No.519401
>>519396
>During a reactionary war a revolutionary class cannot but desire the defeat of its government.
>This is axiomatic, and disputed only by conscious partisans or helpless satellites of the social-chauvinists. Among the former, for instance, is Semkovsky of the Organising Committee (No. 2 of its Izvestia), and among the latter, Trotsky and Bukvoyed,[2] and Kautsky in Germany. To desire Russia’s defeat, Trotsky writes, is “an uncalled-for and absolutely unjustifiable concession to the political methodology of social-patriotism, which would replace the revolutionary struggle against the war and the conditions causing it, with an orientation—highly arbitrary in the present conditions—towards the lesser evil” (Nashe Slovo No. 105).
>This is an instance of high-flown phraseology with which Trotsky always justifies opportunism. A “revolutionary struggle against the war” is merely an empty and meaning less exclamation, something at which the heroes of the Second International excel, unless it means revolutionary action against one’s own government even in wartime. One has only to do some thinking in order to understand this. Wartime revolutionary action against one’s own government indubitably means, not only desiring its defeat, but really facilitating such a defeat. dengoids cant even read half page pamphlets by lenin
No.519402
>>519378Checked reddit and it's full of glowops lol.
No.519405
>>519396You do not know what 'Ultraleftist' even means - you've almost certainly not read 'Left-Wing Communism, an Infantile Disorder' either.
No.519406
>>519389Based.
>>519360You're a clown if you think the people living in those areas have no stake on what happens regarding war, bombs, sanctions, seiges.
Fucking retard.
No.519407
>>519401Lenin, later on, criticized that dogshit thanks to the multiple misreadings of his words, pseud.
revolutionary defeatism is not about 'not muh side' but to proactively sabotaging your ruling class so they fail.
leninhat and you are only in their armchairs doing 100% trotkyism.
No.519408
>>519401>During a reactionary warIrrelevant. This war is super based. Total denazification of my country. Stop throwing Lenin at the wall hoping some shit will stick
No.519409
>>519360based Lenin revolutionary defeatism
No.519411
>>774054>>519409Goota repost because you are psued:
Got ya. Since you didn't specify which source you wanted, I bring both points:
Lenin retracting this revolutionary defeatism.
Starting with the first part:
In this link he underlines his position about this misslabeleb revolutionary defeatism (note the date)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/aug/x01.htm>From the viewpoint of the working class and the toiling masses of all the peoples of Russia, the defeat of the tsarist monarchy and its army, which oppress Poland, the Ukraine, and many other peoples of Russia, and foment hatred among the peoples so as to increase Great-Russian oppression of the other nationalities, and consolidate the reactionary and barbarous government of the tsar’s monarchy, would be the lesser evil by far.Which was a comment on what communists should do, and was interpreted by Trotsky as a form of let's do nothing, or "not victory nor war"
Two years later he criticizes this 'do nothing' strategy:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/feb/29b.htm
>What is the substitute proposed for the defeat slogan? It is that of “neither victory nor defeat” (Semkovsky in Izvestia No. 2; also the entire Organising Committee in No. 1). This, however, is nothing but a paraphrase of the “defence of the fatherland” slogan. It means shifting the issue to the level of a war between governments (who, according to the content of this slogan, are to keep to their old stand, “retain their positions"), and not to the level of the struggle of the oppressed classes against their governments! It means justifying the chauvinism of all the imperialist nations, whose bourgeoisie are always ready to say—and do say to the people—that they are “only” fighting “against defeat”. “The significance of our August 4 vote was that we are not for war but against defeat," David, a leader of the opportunists, writes in his book. The Organising Committee, together with Bukvoyed and Trotsky, stand on fully the same ground as David when they defend the “neither-victory nor-defeat” slogan.
>On closer examination, this slogan will be found to mean a “class truce”, the renunciation of the class struggle by the oppressed classes in all belligerent countries, since the class struggle is impossible without dealing blows at one’s “own” bourgeoisie, one’s “own” government, whereas dealing a blow at one’s own government in wartime is (for Bukvoyed’s information) high treason, means contributing to the defeat of one’s own country. Those who accept the “neither victory-nor-defeat” slogan can only be hypocritically in favour of the class struggle, of “disrupting the class truce”; in practice, such people are renouncing an independent proletarian policy because they subordinate the proletariat of all belligerent countries to the absolutely bourgeois task of safeguarding the imperialist governments against defeat. The only policy of actual, not verbal disruption of the “class truce”, of acceptance of the class struggle, is for the proletariat to take advantage of the difficulties experienced by its government and its bourgeoisie in order to overthrow them. This, however, cannot be achieved or striven for, without desiring the defeat of one’s own government and without contributing to that defeat.
>Those who stand for the “neither-victory-nor-defeat” slogan are in fact on the side of the bourgeoisie and the opportunists, for they do not believe in the possibility of inter national-revolutionary action by the working class against their own governments, and do not wish to help develop such action, which, though undoubtedly difficult, is the only task worthy of a proletarian, the only socialist task. It is the proletariat in the most backward of the belligerent. Great Powers which, through the medium of their party, have had to adopt—especially in view of the shameful treachery of the German and French Social-Democrats— revolutionary tactics that are quite unfeasible unless they “contribute to the defeat” of their own government, but which alone lead to a European revolution, to the permanent peace of socialism, to the liberation of humanity from the horrors, misery, savagery and brutality now prevailing.He slams the bad use of defeatism as a way of returning to the pre-war era, because precisely is used by the imperialists to do the war without having any posture against their own ruling classes.
This is a particularly good essay on the topic, that it is in marxists.org, too:
https://www.workersliberty.org/story/2017-07-26/lenin-and-myth-revolutionary-defeatism-hal-draperThe part in which Trotsky worked to implement defeatism alongside the nazis was in the Moscow trials:
<Pavliukov and The 1937 Trial Transcript Compared >This summary of Radek’s confession of December 22, 1936 is consistent with Radek’s testimony at the January 1937 trial. In fact Vyshinsky read a brief quotation from this very confession in his opening statement at the trial:>For example, the accused Radek, confirming Pyatakov’s testimony, testified during examination on December 22, 1936, that one of the points of the agreement reached between Trotsky and the representatives of the German National-Socialist Party was the obligation>“. . . during Germany’s war against the U.S.S.R. . . . to adopt a defeatist position, to intensify diverse activities, particularly in enterprises of military importance … to act on Trotsky’s instructions agreed upon with the German General Staff.” (Vol. V, p. 152) (1937 Trial 10-11)<Romm to Vyshinsky in the trials>to undermine confidence in Stalin’s Five-Year Plan, in the new technique, and in that way, to undermine confidence in the Party leadership. Emphasizing the necessity of extreme measures, Trotsky quoted the Latin proverb to the effect: “What medicine cannot heal, iron will heal, and what iron cannot heal, fire will heal.” I remember that somewhat perplexed, I suggested that this would undermine the defense capacity of the country at a time when, with the accession of Hitler to power, the danger of war, and particularly the danger of an attack on the U.S.S.R. by Germany, was becoming particularly acute. To this question, I did not get a comprehensive reply, but Trotsky hinted that it was precisely the growing acuteness of the war danger that may place defeatism on the order of the dayDefeatism, if anything, is an invention hyped by Trotskyites whenever is convenient to support their political ambitions, siding with even nazis. And leninhat when talks about revolutionary defeatism, which was used stupidity by other factions, he doesn't acknowledge that Lenin fought against deviations of his words. He, rather ghastly, instead of assuming a defeatist position in the U.K., and starting to do what revolutionaries, do sabotage their own governments in wartime, assumes revolutionary defeatism is the 'neither with Russia nor with NATO' in his jibberish.
No.519412
I spent a month arguing with libs that no invasion is gonna happen and this is what I get?
Country is getting sanctioned to shit, currency going down the drain and on top of that I look stupid on the internet, thanks pootin
No.519414
>>519412wtf I love USA and Azov now
No.519415
https://twitter.com/DonaldCourter/status/1496796348909191170there were retard who thought ukrainians would fight to the last man
No.519416
>>519393im sorry i didnt go to college
No.519417
>>519412Nah, the lards have been crying wolf, none of their predictions of war can be believed until it actually starts. Your skepticism is justified, the Western Fake News MSM is mostly nonsense.
No.519419
>https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1496795482861023234?cxt=HHwWhMC5lfbj18UpAAAABREAKING: Belgium immigration official says "Russians are not welcome here," calls on EU states to stop issuing visas - HLN
No.519420
>>519415Imagine dying for neoliberalism
No.519421
>>519399Yeah most of Tukha's theory was adopted after the winter war and used in WW2 and has pretty much been part of soviet/russian military doctrine since. His theory of operations is also pretty much a basic tenet of all modern military doctrine including the US'. He was ahead of his time.
No.519422
>>519375>>519360Leninhat is correct.
No.519423
>>519418Why the fuck is this guy sneaking around a place were soldiers are being deployed
No.519424
>>519419Uhh… Redditbros? What happened to "hate the government, not the people"?
No.519425
>>519412I don't know if this was intentional stupidity by the USA or they were basing their assumptions on Russian disinformation. Either way, the West looked stupid, it's not your fault.
No.519429
>>519412The sanctions are so weak and low energy. Most of the Westernoid energy is focused on exaggerating how huge the sanctions are.
No.519430
wait so the war is over? ukraine surrendered?/
No.519431
>>519428You are very bad at parodying libs
No.519432
https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1496794602896072706BREAKING: Russians in Kherson now. Spetznaz units spotted:
No.519434
>>519430If they're smart, they will. Strategically it's ogre, air force, navy, air defenses, Russians penetrating through to the Dniepr. Individual units can still fight but not for long without any support.
No.519435
>>519418Attacks thundered, bullets rang out,
And machine guns fired sporadically…
And our girl in her greatcoat was going,
Through the burning Kakhovka…
Under the hot sun, under the black of night
We made it through a lot.
We are a peaceful people, but our armored train
Stands ready on the reserve rails!
No.519436
>>519431Lives are being lost and you think i'm "parodying". fuck off.
i thought china was smarter. guess not.
No.519437
Ukraine seriously trusted NATO to help them? lol
No.519438
Not even a tankie but imagine talking shit about the ussr. Indeed how you like your capitalism?
No.519439
>>519436China made their position clear long ago, why would somebody expect anything else?
No.519440
>>519435Каховка каховка, родная винтовка
No.519443
>>519422No they aren't.
1) incorrectly reducing anything reactionary into 'fascism'
2) dubiously assuming anything except the current flavor-of-the-century ideology is a non-solution
3) falsely equating two different sides, including one which is more likely to kill them, thereby detracting from the socialist cause
for a few quick examples of why that's a dumb statement.
No.519444
>>519436China is being the only adult in this. They're taking the mantle of leadership from the US, which is just another monkey flinging shit here.
Hundreds of thousands died from covid, people are dying in Gaza and Syria all the time, nobody bats an eye.
Russia executes one surgical blitz and everybody loses their minds.
No.519445
>>519440Горячая пуля, лети!
No.519447
>>519415We need a better source on this
No.519448
>>519428Did you forget about the joint statement that both Xi and Putin agreed to demanding the halt of NATO's expansion eastwards or did you just live under a rock for the past few months? Financial Times is already seething about China's banks potentially throwing a lifeline to Putin like they have before.
No.519449
>>519428China is litterally murdering tens of millions of people in Xinjang, no surprise they support Nazi Germany 2.0.
No.519450
>>519436Lives are being lost no matter what the outcome.I would expect them to be tactical and nothing more. For a country also dealing with NATO aggression, it seems like a sane choice.
After Kazakhstan, are you surprised?
No.519451
>>519449Hundreds of millions
No.519452
>>519450> After Kazakhstan, are you surprised?It was a moment all hope in leftypol was lost
No.519453
>>519408You're being Debanderaised and Vlasovised.
No.519454
Seriously, fuck putin. and fuck this site for defending him and russia. don't call yourself leftist, assholes.
No.519455
>>519418>>519433>>519446>They ACTUALLY take everything up to the right bank of the Dnieper >Crimea completely secured.>East bank 'Novorossyia' vassal state.>West-Bank Ukraine treaty of Versailles level dimilitarised and forced back into Russian sphere.MORE SLAV JANK BORDER GORE MORE SLAV JANK BORDER GORE MORE SLAV JANK BORDER GORE
No.519457
>>519454B-but Ukrops have a nazi battalion and they are pro-NATO!
No.519458
>>519456heavy losses if true
No.519461
>>519454Stop thinking about horsecocks Ian
No.519462
>>519457Incidentally Putinnoids do not want to talk about the various Nazi units that fight in the separatist regions.
No.519463
>>519368>Still, to me invading the whole of Ukraine seems quite reckless if all Russia wants to do is send out a warning.They need to do it to some degree if they are to demilitarize it. With Georgia, this wasn't an issue since it's just so small. I really doubt they'll occupy it.
>>519370Well the thing is that the internet provides an incredible opportunity for discourse and education, but that's difficult to do and it mostly goes squandered. Like with TV before it, nd radio before that.
No.519464
Why is conquering other countries so taboo these days when it's been happening all throughout history? Ppl are acting like current borders were mandated by heaven and are set in stone forever
No.519465
>>519414Not really but this gotta be the dumbest fucking move against either.
No.519467
>>519464Because the process involves things we don't like.
No.519468
>>519462These Chetniks and neonazi pagans are just fellow travelers while Azov battalion is integrated into Ukrainian Army, also they venerate Bandera
No.519472
>>519464Because conquering countries involves some suffering and destruction. Normal people usually don't like these things.
No.519473
>>519464This, but replace 'conquering other countries' with 'killing european people'.
No.519475
>>519464The US literally turned Libya - the most prosperous African country - into a failed state over nothing, but killing some nazis to liberate the independent states (and possibly the rest of Ukraine) is beyond the pale.
It's all cynical.
No.519477
NATO ambassadors have decided to trigger the NAC Execution Directive (NED).
This means that the Supreme Allied Commander can activate the 5 NATO defense plans for NATO's eastern flank, from the high north down to Turkey.
No.519479
>>519475Communists and socialists defending imperial conquest by Putin is hilarious!
No.519480
is this the quickest blitzkreig ever? France lasted two weeks?
No.519481
>>519456How did they get this far this fast? Isn't Ukraine the largest country in Europe (That doesn't span 2 continents like Russia)
No.519482
>>519456livemap is reporting from Ukrainian side? highly unlikely. Russia blasted all AA.
>>519462There are awful people there, but that doesn't render the fact that many communists also fought for DPR. No communist fought hand in hand with Ukraine to control DPR in Ukraine, so cry more tears libtard.
No.519483
>>519479Nah, we only support fighting among imperial powers
No.519484
>>519438Anticommunists are dogs.
No.519485
>>519478$50 says they're advancing on Kiev and will take the capital.
No.519486
>>519471Those are Hips, aka transports
VDV incoming, this is gonna be Zelensky in about an hour
No.519488
>>519483>we only support fighting among imperial powers>Meanwhile, Russia is fighting a war of expansion.LOL
No.519489
>>519479These aren't communists, these are ублюдочные потерявшие связь с реальностью пидорасы-ботинколизы, которых actual socialists should despise.
No.519490
>>774163
>I was arguing with a few of you 12 hours ago
get a life lmao
No.519492
>>519489Can't speak russian.
No.519494
>>519479cope, seethe, mald, liberal
No.519495
>>519487A reminder she's a Tsarist, still cute though.
No.519496
>>519449NEVER FORGET 1000 GORILLION OF GOD'S CHOSEN KULAKS WERE KILLED
No.519497
>>5194621. There are communists fighting in Luhensk and Donetsk
2. The far right wingers that are there are pretty much fellow travellers.
3. In comparison to the Ukranian military, the Azov battlion is a straight up extension of the Ukranian state.
The Donetsk and Luhensk don't have a Nazi-paramilitary organization.
Like seriously, who are the "putinoids" here. Most of them view him with critical support against NATO agression. If you want to talk about Putin using the LP/DPR as proxies, then you might have an argument.
But as far as things go, you have a better chance of seeing the LPR and DPR of taking up the red banner than the Ukranian government.
Folks are out here really not understanding what the "critical" from Critical support means.
No.519498
>>519495She literally believes the Tsar is the 2nd coming of Christ.
No.519500
>>519482yeah i watched the video the claim is from, not a single helicopter down
No.519501
Amerilardia is fighting for Cuckraine… by spamming social media!
No.519503
>>519495She opposes American imperialism so that doesn't matter, we are on the same side
No.519504
>>519484Communists are fascists.
No.519505
>>519454stop worshipping satan and funding nazis nato shill
No.519507
>>519488nato tried to expand to ukraine, russian in turns expands to ukraine first
there is tension among nato and russia; the post 1991 status quo is shook, the opportunity for communists is once agane opened
No.519508
>>774182
>Richard Spencer retweeted
No.519510
>>519503This, by the way I'm on the same side as neo-nazis.
No.519511
Why are people taking sane positions on things like this are anarchists/syndies or adherents of other irrelevant ideologies?
No.519512
>>519472But defending a country from getting conquered is an act of war, which causes suffering and destruction.
No.519514
>>519507>the opportunity for communists is once agane openedDidn't Putin openly mock the communists in the past after the fall of the USSR?
No.519515
>>774182
Its time for Antifa-MIGA alliance
No.519516
>>519497>who are the "putinoids" hereThe think guy and the maupinite clique. But yes most people are sane.
No.519517
So what's putin doing wrong? Can some of you libs explain?
No.519518
>>519478Looks like the main thrust.
Once these guys break through, they finna cut off all forces in the east. Anyone left fighting by sundown is going to be mopped up.
Seven days to the river rhine? More like one day to the dniepr.
No.519519
>>519510>false-flagging as an anarchist Bruh, shut the fuck up. Most anarchists aren't taking sides in this conflict.
No.519524
>>519514Lol, he literally said that Ukraine's existence is mistake made by communists and he is going to decommunize them
No.519526
lmao, "putler". the glowlibs of r/politics spamming
No.519527
>>519524By decommunize he meant take back all the territory given by communists
No.519528
>>519519I remember an anarchist blog with critical support for Euromaidan and pacification of Russian nazis
No.519529
>>519521American glownigs staying up all night.
ha
No.519530
>>519519>memeflagging is falseflaggingcome on now
No.519531
>>519504Anarshits are illiterate.
No.519533
>>774212
Both did this retard
No.519534
>>774182
>Fascist doesn't know the Russian Federation is multi-cultural already.
Twitter was a fucking mistake.
No.519535
>>519531if you couldn't figure out that the post was a satirical parody of its parent post, I'd say you're the one demonstrating illiteracy.
No.519536
>>774212>>519532You are now in the [Anger] stage.
No.519538
Why are people calling ukraine neonazis??
No.519540
>>774192
>Broken clothes clock friend
wut
No.519541
>>774212
>one side must be the cause!
go to sleep, burgerbrain
No.519543
>>519514What? A major conflict between major imperial powers is the window of opportunity for communists. That is all. Russia being passive and taking it is not good. Russia shoving back is good.
No.519545
>>519539Only question is will they keep going?
Also, will Zelensky fucking surrender yet?
No.519546
>>519534We have TV shows warning against "dangers of multiculturalism", this word is used as name for something evil, like "tolerance". In Russia there are different nationalities and a big problem with oppression of local languages, I can give you some articles by Russian communists on this topic
No.519547
>>519536No. I'm in the "I give up on these so-called communists and socialists on this website" phase.
No.519548
>>519544how? their president is a jew
No.519550
>>519537>fucking TROTSKYtrotsky was a russian bot
No.519551
>>519524You are really retarded, libtards. Putin said that the real decommunization was to undo the policy of Lenin that created Ukraine, ergo, destroy Ukraine as we know it today.
No.519552
>>519549Based mutant warriors incoming.
No.519553
>>519538>>519544>>519548>AN ENTIRE COUNTRY HAS A SINGLE IDEOLOGYgo to sleep, burgerbrains
No.519554
>>519551Yes. And he said that he is going to show them it
No.519555
>>519548Slavic nazis and jewish nazis do exist even if it makes no sense
>>519553I mean the Kiev regime
obvio
No.519556
>>519548>how? their president is a jewso was Hitler
No.519557
>>519537One of my favorite takes from Trotsky
No.519558
>>519538Because they have nazi organizations officially registered and one battalion with high nazi presence was integrated into Ukrainian army
No.519560
>>519407>leninhat and you are only in their armchairs doing 100% trotkyism.I think this is uncalled for
If they were doing 100% trotskyism they'd be trying to collaborate with Hitler for a rump socialist russian State because "a world war is unwinnable" or they would be running the Vichy government with trots like Jacques Doriot
What Leninhat is doing is left-communism as he's not actually sabotaging anything or helping imperialism
No.519562
>>519549You didn't SEE the Belarusian tanks
because they're not there!
No.519563
>>519537> defeating great enemy will lead to nationalist leader's overthrow and not the rise of his popularityWow, great take
No.519564
Friendly reminder that Milose… uh Zelensky is europe's new Hitler and Ukraine must be brought democra… I mean Ukraine must be denazified #AzovNazis #DonbassGenocide #BarrelBombs
No.519565
>>774246
>Wanting to torture and killed POW
why.
No.519566
>>519547You are free to go. We were calmed until burger hours arrived. Keep sleeping, this is all just a dream to trigger you.
No.519567
>>519560>What Leninhat is doing isinfantile shitposting without any irony
they're only doing left-communism in the sense of sitting in a chair doing nothing of value.
which I won't critisize them for, as it's for the greater good they don't get involved in actual anti-capitalism
No.519568
>>519561the one on the right looks like bad bunny
No.519569
What's up with people going against russia now? I swear couple of weeks ago these people weren't here
No.519570
>>774246
Why would you want them to be killed?
No.519571
>>519564NATO shills going full Göbbels
No.519572
>>519538https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion>>519537>implying you must be pro-Russia>not stanning the LPR AND DPR in this conflict Russia is only a means to an end to strike a blow at NATO hegemony. Outside of that, Russia is still an oligarchic
imperialist entity, but nowhere NEAR the lecherous great satan that is NATO, the US and the anglo-sphere.
>>519546Please do.
No.519573
>>519566You say it as though I'm a yank.
No.519574
>1 HOUR AGO.
>President Zelensky announces he is severing diplomatic ties with the Russian federation
NO SHIT
No.519575
>>519569Because Russia wasn't invading Ukraine
No.519577
>>519561They look barely 18. I fear for what the Ukrops will do, losers always commit atrocities as they retreat.
No.519578
>>774253
>they're fascists
define that word
No.519579
>>519567>actual anti-capitalismWhy do I get the feeling you will talk about Assad and Putin if I ask who is doing the actual anti capitalism
No.519581
>CNN reporting Russian and Belarus troops entering Ukraine from the north, they even provided evidencehttps://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2022/feb/24/ukraine-russia-tanks-cctv-belarus-crimea-videoVideo is at the link. This sounds like bullshit to me. Putin said they have no interest in occupying Ukraine. What does Belarus gain from a war with Ukraine? The CCTV video has no timestamp or date, and it shows tanks just moving in, without any resistance. Wouldn't the Ukrainians barricade the roads and try to stop them?
No.519582
>>519570Here's the definition that you will dismiss out of hand:
Fascism: A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.
No.519583
>>519580Al Jizzya host went mental when a guy they had on said they were nazis, it's pretty funny
No.519584
>>774266
CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWLLLLLLLLLLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
No.519585
>>519579because you're an prejudiced fool.
I consider them both my enemies along with NATO rules. I'm not some 'anti-NATO is gud' binary-brain.
No.519586
>>774246
>putin russia so evil!!!
>I hope my side commits horrible warcrimes
No.519587
>>519585 (me)
autocorrection obviously messed up there but you get the point.
*rulers
No.519588
>NOOOOOO RUSSIA IS LITERALLY SOVIET UNION STALIN TOTALITARINO NOOO
>NOOOO UKRAINE IS HECKIN FASHEEST NOOOO
calm down, retards
it's no longer XX century
No.519589
>>519585I take back what I said then.
No.519590
>>519586cheer for a team or get outta the stadium!!
why isn't usa using nukes?
No.519592
>>519588Would you say the Zelensky regime is not fascist?
No.519593
>>519590>Russia is our team! Cheer for them or I REEEEEEEEEEEEEE at you!No. I'm not ethnically russian. They're not "my team."
No.519594
>>519593dude it's a memeflag lmao
No.519595
>>519572>More than half of the regiment's members speak Russian and come from eastern Ukraine,[15] including cities of Donetsk and Luhanskexplain this
No.519596
So the Ukraine situation has reached the absolute mainstream. Centrists and moderately "political" people are sharing feel good "Pray for Ukraine" posts, self-righteous liberals analyzing the situation and demanding nothing short of a thermonuclear bomb on Russia. Putin more or less fucked up with this move. He's now the aggressor, and everyone's fears will be justified. No one is gonna bother listening to the "Putin's aggression is the result of NATO expansion and American imperialism, the root is NATO.", people are gonna be more stubborn in believing American imperialism is good for the world.
I think you guys have yet to grasp how absolutely fucked we are because of Putin's retarded antics. China is rising, and with Russia invading Ukraine, people are gonna think China's gonna do the same because they're more or less paired with Russia anyways. With American decline and increased propaganda funding, the Western powers will be able to manufacture consent and conjure a collective, cohesive hatred and rage that will rival the Islamophobia of post 9/11 and at the most extreme case, possibly the anti-Semitism of Nazi Germany itself. We're already seeing it with the reoccurring Asian hate crimes and venomous reception by the press towards the Beijing Olympics and Eileen Gu.
This isn't just inter-capitalist infighting, communists will get it the worst. Despite being the most blatant anti-communist politician out there, Russia and Putin is still associated with the Soviet Union, communism, and socialism in the eyes of most people. Socialism will be co-opted, manipulated, and sabotaged from inside and outside. The old world is dying again, and thus reborn is the age of fucking monsters.
No.519597
>>519572> Please do.https://socialist.news/russia/nationality/defense-tatar-language/ that's trots
https://kazanfirst.ru/articles/465222 that's Tatar communist faction leader complaining about detatarification policies (federal KPRF deputies generally support all russification efforts while regional protesting it)
Tatarstan is the most well-known republic of Russian Federation, there are also instances of liberal activists being denied use of Komi language in Komi republic and so on.
No.519601
any update on the EU sanctions nothingburger?
No.519604
>>519600It is happening actually.
A fucking lot of helicopters are getting into Hostomel.
No.519605
Oh no, she didn't just mention Hitler…
No.519606
>>519592Kinda. They banned worker parties and actively try to fuck with unions while sponsoring literal neonazis, that looks very fascistic to me
No.519607
>>774290
the fuck are you saying, we hoped the Russian army prisioners in the Ukrainian army actually be spanked, a.k.a. officials got removed no state compensation, for example, troops re-trained, and nazi and warcriminals nuremberged.
STFU, liberal.
No.519609
>>519596And all this is based beyond comprension tbh.
Destroy everything so we can rebuild.
Unironically accept monke.
No.519610
>>519597Thanks for the info.
No.519611
>>519598and replying is a waste of time unless you're enjoying it. That's all. I ain't freezing your peach.
No.519613
>>519454i dont applaud his actions, but lets not act like nato didnt initiate the aggression in the region by installing a nazi adjacent puppet regime and then not respecting minsk agreement, and he offered a lot of room for deescalation that was refused
No.519614
So as a native American I'm supposed to be mad that a white country run by neofascists is getting annexed by their more mature cousins who aren't neofascists?(careful with that idpol)
No.519616
>>519611Translation into normie talk, please?
No.519618
>>519603>>519604Holy shit. Queue Ride of the Valkyries
No.519619
>>519600Where are the anons
who shitposted with me
when history was made
On lefty pol, we posted memes
The bois of the old brigade
No.519620
>>519542Tukhachevsky needed shooting
He was a pro germanophile that praised Hitler and was planning to open up the front in the event of a war so he could achieve a bonapartist rise to power
The Russian gov released docs showing he was fucking guilty in 2018 and trot-rats (who pay no attention to soviet history beyond parroting phrases they hear repeated) still repeat it
https://istmat-org.translate.goog/node/59108?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp No.519621
>>519574Hahahahaha what does that mean at this point, blocking them on twitter?
Bitch they are in your base killing your d00dz
No.519622
stop responding to glow
It is being removed
No.519623
>The head of the Federal Republic of Crimea has declared that 'soon' the peninsula will be once again able to receive electricity from the Kakhovka Hydro-Electric plant. And will soon regain the ability to draw fresh water from the Dnieper
>Russia has announced that 'Peacekeepers' are being deployed to the Russian allied Transnistria republic west of Ukraine.
GUY'S
I THINK EVERYONE GUESSED WRONG
THEIR ACTUALLY GOING TO DO IT!!!
No.519624
>>519614You maybe native american but speak like a true settler burger cuck my friend.
That said you shouldn't he mad. This is based as fuck.
No.519625
>>519564Zelensky is Tudjman, Putin is Milosevic, Donbass is Krajina
No.519626
>>519616It's a play on:
>muh freeze peachwhich is an established mocking meme of:
>my free speech!often said by people complaining about censorship.
The intended meaning being I'm not trying to tell you what you can or can't say, I just think you're wasting time replying seriously to jokes.
No.519627
Do you get the day off work if you get invaded? Or are wageslaves still forced to go in.
No.519630
>>519581ANSWER ME YOU FUCKS
No.519631
If Soviet Union was attacking Ukraine i would support it. But the Union is no more and Russia is a nealiberal shithole with its regime openly corrupt and teamed up with oligarchs. I wish Ukrainians happy tank hunting.
No.519632
>>519625And they're all fighting over the corpse of the socialist republic they betrayed. Fits.
Except, uh, Russia is also NATO and Zelensky is Milosevic, and Donetsk is Kosovo/Bosnia…
No.519634
>>519619Oh the year was 2017,
How I wish I was back there, right now,
With a happening vid that'd make our day,
but now that time has gone away,
god-damn them all.
I was there, when times were had,
when hopes were high and none were sad,
shed your tears,
now I'm stuck with /pol/yp bridgadeers,
the last of leftypols buccaneers…
No.519635
>>519364>stop being americangood advice generally tbh
No.519636
Where are the fucking paratroops?!?!?
No.519640
>>519627You will be fired if you don't go in to work. The doors will be locked so you cannot go home. You can then write a thread on antiwork about how mean your manager is.
This is what freedom is.
No.519641
>>774182
>played
why ? cause we thought he wouldnt dare ? that he decided to act on his threat dont change much to the geopolitical reasons of this shit. At least now ukraine have a chance to be a quiet puppet state rather than a nazi hotbed with a border proxy conflict
No.519642
>>519634Oceania Anon, if that is you. I always liked you in the PRC threads. Aren't you worried how this will just ramp-up consent for NATO and by extension Sinophobia? Or is it one of those things you think people will just forget and move on with their lives as the next news cycle goes by?
No.519643
>>519640What are you saying?
No.519644
>>519636North of Kiev by last report. Probably moving in to secure shit.
No.519645
>>774345
>all of leftypol
adding this combination of three words as a filter
No.519646
burgers are really donating to neo-nazi paramilitaries because people on twitter with a ukraine flag emoji asked them to
No.519648
>>519646source, funni if true
No.519650
>>519645Wisest post in this thread
No.519651
>>519630There has been much Fake News declaring a war is happening tomorrow for years already and you do raise good points about the security footage having no timestamp.
No.519652
>>519350Ukranon have you seen any
PLANE THAT HAS FLOWN OVER YOUR HOUSE? No.519653
Why are anti-Putin posts being deleted?
No.519654
>>519647This is the key to getting America to support Russia
No.519655
>>774359
Speak for yourself, I'm an actual Slav. And I'm in support of the NATO bombing of Belgrade as the Serbs needed justice for what was done in Bosnia.
But it could be argued that Kiev is due the same for the last 8 years in Donbass, yet Putin is being much more lenient.
No.519657
>>519655> SerbsOf course it's evil Serbs and not a fascistic autocrat who was overthrown later
No.519658
>>519653they arent really, there is a difference between an anti-putin post and openly shilling for NATO
No.519659
THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE AIR THAT NIGHT
THE STAR'S WERE BRIGHT
FERNANDO
THEY WE'RE SHINING THERE FOR YOU AND ME
FOR LIBERTE
FERNANDO
THOUGH I NEVER THOUGHT THAT WE COULD LOSE
THERE'S NO REGRET
IF I HAD TO DO THE SAME AGAIN
I WOULD, MY FRIEND
FERNANDO
IF I HAD TO DO THE SAME AGAIN
I WOULD, MY FRIEND
FERNANDO
No.519660
>>519649>rocket flamethrowerswut
/AKM/ pls explain
No.519661
>>519642Well which Oceania anon are you referring to? (tbf I'm not the only one using this flag). If you can link me to posts I've made, I'll give you an answer. if they're not mine, I won't speak on his behalf.
No.519665
>>519660Rocket releases gas, everything is hot.
No.519666
>>519660retard media talk
its a fuel-air bomb
No.519668
>>519664Oh shit we got russiagated
No.519669
>>519660I literally attached a wikipedia link dumbass
its a rocket that first bursts covering a large area in flammable aerosols and then ignites those aerosols.
No.519670
sizzlebros… we got too cocky…
big bowl of nothing today
No.519672
> "Ukrainian gas pipeline company confirms that flows through the country (from Russia into the European Union) continue "smoothly."
No.519673
>>519661Well, you're anti-NATO if this is you
>>519572. And that's good enough for me. I don't see how this is a blow to NATO though, it just seems like it'll strengthen it. Cutting Nordstream was good enough. Why fucking invade? Man gone senile
No.519674
>>519649They won't. Westoid MSM is all over Kiev and they're SALIVATING for atrocities to be committed. I expect the Russians to take key strategic points and force Zelensky to put in the call for a general surrender and ceasefire, and if he doesn't, to take him in by force.
No.519675
>>519672Gas must flow, war is irrelevant
No.519677
>>519670I, sizzlebro, formally acknowledge my naive denial was mistaken.
No.519678
>>519671Any landing you can walk off is a good landing
No.519679
>>519671Yeah there's other footage (extremely grainy though) that appears to show it crashing. Looks like the crew managed to bail. They had a helluva pilot to land that sucker after presumably getting hit with a MANPAD
No.519680
>>519596>Putin more or less fucked up with this move. He's now the aggressor, and everyone's fears will be justified.He already was the evil bad guy in the minds of liberals. Them conducting even more deranged and hysterical screeching doesn't mean that they didn't already consider Putin a the devil himself and Russia as some kind of comical version of Mordor.
No.519681
NGL but this seems like this is not going a smooth as Putin might have hoped. It seems like the Russians are facing serious resistance.
No.519683
This morning all media were whining about how russians invaded Mariupol and Odessa
Of course, this was a fucking lie
https://ru.interfax.com.ua/news/general/801088.html No.519684
>>519678This proves that Ukraine still has AA capabilities though.
I don't think that Russia will invade Ukraine in a matter of weeks, this is probably going to be an operation that will endure, at the very least, 3 months.
No.519686
>>519679>helluvaplease anon im trying to abstain from porn this week
No.519688
If the war goes on NATO has time to turn it into a utter slog for Russia, this is not good for Putin.
No.519689
>>519681It might appear that way on the tactical level, but the resistance they're facing is going to be irrelevant when those units are cut off and the Dniepr is taken, and possibly Kiev soon.
Not to mention that warehouses and airfields have been taken out. Ukraine has no capacity to wage an extended war anymore.
No.519692
>>519688This is a chance for Russia though
No.519697
>>519687All of it if we go with what Putin has said.
Like, he accused Lenin of making this Ukraine up as a non-country and that it will "decommunize it".
Tbh it sounded like literal Tzarist Cope, and he is going with it.
No.519698
>The timing of the Russian operation "will depend on its effectiveness".
>Russia’s “ideal” goal is to “liberate Ukraine, clear it of Nazis.”
>If Kiev "is ready to address Moscow’s security concerns", there could be talks between Putin and Zelensky.
>Peskov
PepeEscobar
No.519699
>>519681This is just a first wave to strike into strategic depth which has seemingly been a resounding success.
The true test will come when their is contact with an advancing front and Ukraine's ability to operate under severely degraded conditions
No.519700
Two Russian civilian cargo ships were subjected to a missile attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Sea of Azov, there are wounded - FSB department
No.519701
>>519695War turning into nightmare and disillusionment of suffering proles
No.519702
>>519681The fuck? They are in Dnieper alraedy kek.
No.519703
>>519596>>519642Who cares what a bunch of labour aristocrats in the imperial core think?
>>519680Yes. These people won't change their minds until material conditions force them to do so
No.519706
>>519697>Tbh it sounded like literal Tzarist Cope, and he is going with it.it was one
Putin was always an anticommunist. Or at least from 1991 openly
No.519707
>>519687Unite the Ukraine, minus Crimea and install the Donbass fellows to Kiev?
No.519708
>>519698This means "surrender or we're taking everything"
He needs to take the L.
No.519709
Give me this epic Pinochet quote
No.519710
>>519681>Took ten years to secure Chechnya>Tried to take over half of Ukraine>Gets guerilladHmm how surprising
No.519711
<JUST IN: Israel condemns Russian invasion as breach of world 'order
No.519712
So anywhere where I can get live updates on how much territory is under the control of whom? Or where the troops are moving?
No.519713
>>519694oh fug
I wonder what ArchiveTeam is up to right now…
No.519714
>>519702They're on the Dnieper but only near the Crimea, everywhere else it's still unknown how much they're advanced.
I would say the frontlines look kinda like this.
No.519715
>>519660Flamethrowers have been largely been replaced by various rocket launchers such as the M202 FLASH and RPO-A Shmel
No.519716
>>519710>assault the capital of ukraine>face resistancewtf this is gorilla warfare
No.519717
>>519710But real Ukrainians were preparing flowers to give them to Russian liberators, not some guerrillas
No.519719
>>519712nope, ukraine map is massively coping about how much ukraine is getting btfo
No.519721
Imagine dying for neoliberalism, how cucked would that be
No.519722
>>519721The thought would keep me alive through anything.
No.519723
>>519721Dying for ethnic homogenity is better?
No.519724
>>519687>Most likely outcome Donetsk and Luhansk are expanded to their De-Jure / Claimed borders. And Ukraine is permacucked out of joining NATO like georgia.
>Second most likely. Same outcome. But Donetsk and Luhansk are potentially given even more then their claimed / de-jure territory and Ukraine gets a Germany post-ww1 level peace deal that completely bans them from having a standing army or whatever 'disarmament' means to Putin
>5% Chance of happening.Neo-Berlin wall down the banks of Dnieper.
>0.1% Chance of happening.Putin declares himself the Imperial regent and pushes on to Lviv.
No.519725
>>519720hm, sounds like Shtrafbat
BUT ISN'T THAT WHAT EBIL STALIN WAS DOING?
No.519726
>>774440
Calm down. Raging about this on leftypol isn't going to make the invasion stop.
No.519727
>>519709I got you
>St. Petersburg (ND). Vladimir Putin, 2nd Mayor of St. Petersburg and Chairman of the Committee for External Relations of the city of six million, has made it clear to German business representatives that a military dictatorship along the lines of the Chilean model would be the desirable solution to Russia's current political problems. This was reported by WDR in the TV feature "Aufbruch nach Osten" (Monday, January 3, 1994, WEST 3 from 9:15 to 9:45 p.m.).
>Putin answered questions from representatives of BASF, Dresdner Bank, Alcatel and others who met in the former GDR Consulate General in St. Petersburg. Putin distinguished between "necessary" and "criminal" violence. He said that political violence is criminal if it is aimed at eliminating market-economy conditions, and "necessary" if it promotes or protects private capital investments. He, Putin, expressly approved of possible preparations by Yeltsin and the military to bring about a Pinochet-style dictatorship in view of the difficult private economic path. Putin's remarks were received with friendly applause both by the German company representatives and by the deputy German consul general who was present.https://www.nd-aktuell.de/artikel/461493.pinochet-als-vorbild.html?sstr=putin No.519728
>>519714LMAO they are way farther than that near sumy you are joking
twitter users from mikolaivka and охтирка are reporting russian troops passing them. Kharkiv is already surrounded.
If you want to find out how far they've gone, google villages and see what people are reporting.
No.519729
What does Russian porky gain from all of this?
No.519730
>>774440What do you stand for though?
>>519723Oh noes! Vladolf Putler is at it again!
No.519731
>>519714nah, also you didn't see the Christmas three of all the known reports of military bases/commands, and military posts attacked by the kaliber (they didn't use even the most powerful and expensive, like the iskander or Vysota) in the livemap. I mean, sure they will face resistance, but what can do a headless snake?
No.519732
>>519669Thanks, my thin browser window formatted it weirdly and I missed it.
No.519734
>>519673Ah yup that's me. Well in that case I'll give my take:
>Aren't you worried how this will just ramp-up consent for NATO and by extension Sinophobia? Or is it one of those things you think people will just forget and move on with their lives as the next news cycle goes by?Personally I'd argue both, but to the level of shittening of the pants that the US does. We already have the murdoch press ramping up the shit-smears of sinophobia already, and this conflict isn't exactly going to change our attitude towards china as a whole. Keep in mind, we already signed the AUKUS deal. Tensions are thick with China enough as it is, but I doubt China will do anything like Russia has done that would warrant a major political response. Australia, although being a proxy of imperialism and an imperialist nation, doesn't have much aspiration to conquer and expand its territory and influence as it is part of the commonwealth. It's close to a mexico standoff unless the US twists our arm to do their bidding, but I don't think our politicians, inept as they are, would actually be stupid to start a war with our biggest trading partner.
How this conflict relates to us is that I believe that it'll be nothing but liberal-anti russia propaganda but nothing as inflamatory. The conflict in the Ukraine has little to do with Australian interests, as Russia isn't a major trading partner nor a neighbouring superpower to us.
The true future of our country depends on wether the yanks will fuck off and if we actually negotiate a peaceful and mutually beneficial relationship with China. Say what you will about Paul Keating, but I'm in agreement with him that us demonising and sabre rattling at china as opposed to learning to live with them is the correct position to take.
No.519736
Gonna start working on my limp now.
No.519737
>>519736just become obese and mentally ill
No.519739
>War has been going on for a few hours
>unprecedented success on the russian side
>ukrainian navy, air force, air defences and military infrastructure wiped out
>deep breakthroughs into karkow, mariupol and Kherson
>Russian helicopters literally about to take Kievs airport
<Azov shills:
<"hmm, it really seems like russia is having difficulties"
only on leftypol
No.519740
>>519729Oil pipelines under their control and a new buffer state.
No.519741
>>519734*but not to the level of
No.519742
>>519682Dude they're not "bombing Somalia"… they're helping the government of Somalia destroy Al-Shabaab. You know, extreme ultraconservative scumbags that have been terrorizing Somali civilians? Please don't speak on things of which you know nothing. It's embarrassing. You sound like the liberals defending Ukraine rn.
No.519743
>>519729I'm still trying to explain this move with marxism, searching for class interests of Russian porkies
No.519744
>>774440>Keep sucking Putin's fascist cock while The communist party of russia endorsed the liberation of Ukraine. are they fascist too?
https://cprf.ru/2022/02/gennady-zyuganov-it-is-time-to-put-a-stop-to-natos-actions-to-turn-ukraine-into-a-fascist-state-2/And how does Putin constitute being a fascist (rather than a christian conservative) considering he's issued a statement on de-nazifying ukraine
>while he continues to murder thousands of peopleLibs say this yet ignore the fact the Kiev gov killed 14000 of it's own people in an 8 year period
They executed communists, socialists and trade unionists in the streets.
If killings gotta be done I'd rather those that wave nazi, Stepan Bandera and OUN flags and welcome US
No.519745
They're reporting Odessa is falling for real this time
No.519747
>>519739I imagine it's the same in american captured internet
No.519750
>>519739Then please share with us some non glowie-contaminated but still English-majority forum to discuss geopolitics oh wait it doesn't exist everything is overrun by shills bots or legit NPCs.
No.519752
>>519727this was written in 1994. If you look at putins recent economic policy its been changing to nationalization of many private buisness
aka hes evolved into a mussolini
No.519753
>>519739Ukraine is huge though, and I kept reading before this happened that 200k troops would not be near enough to occupy it so therefore the Russians won't bother attacking. But they are, which means that even if they don't have enough didn't mean they wouldn't do it. And I'm not sure if it isn't enough, because this isn't Iraq where the U.S. occupied a country on the other side of the planet.
No.519754
All sides are evil. Fight me.
No.519756
Assuming Ukraine becomes Russian territory, what is the 'buffer' looking like? Is there a clear second iron curtain?
No.519757
https://twitter.com/andylines/status/1496790581376389122?cxt=HHwWhMC4oc_G1cUpAAAA
>Another explosion in Kyiv. Also a pall of smoke over a government building. Told Ukraine officials are burning sensitive documents.
>Location 50.4707536, 30.5282013
>Apparently defence ministryits all ogre
No.519758
>>519703>>519734>>519680Alright, it is a bit idealistic thinking what people think will affect things.
So what does Putin invading Ukraine mean actually? Like in the grand scheme of things? What has this been all about? Because everything seemed standard until this whole invasion.
No.519760
>>519759You should read Enver Hoxha.
No.519761
>>519744Also, no communist was fighting alongside ukronazis to re-take Donbas, while Donbasians received communist support.
No.519762
>>519759all sides includes the third camp
No.519764
>>519761Most Russian "communists" are Putin's shills though.
No.519765
>>519758nothing much sharpened tensions between russia and china and a balkanized Ukraine border state
No.519766
>>519757sadge
Wonder how many CIA atrocities and Nazi lists are on those docs.
No.519767
Cuckraine is not a real nation and many of their troops have already deserted rather than die for neoliberalism.
No.519768
>>519765between US and russia and china*
No.519769
How the hell are you guys getting these specific war updates? All I'm getting from most major news sites is "Putin has invaded Ukraine! Bombs have been heard around this and that."
No.519770
bro they're having dogfights over Kiev right now, anyone who thinks they still have AA capabilities is retarded
No.519771
USA could have united with russia against china
This will push russia further away from the EU
Russia might trade in RMB instead of USD
If they out of SWIFT, Russia and China will make an alternative banking system which messes the US ability of sanctioning
No.519772
>>774488
You presume that Russia is kind or angelic like the former Soviet Union ? Wow, just wow. If given the chance they will go trigger-happy just like America. Face facts.
No.519773
>>519764International brigades were created, are you retarded?
No.519774
>>519770They downed a helicopter with AA
No.519775
>>519769Unironically follow weird update aggregators on twitter
No.519776
>>519773Okay and ? It proves little.
No.519777
>>519774That's different. If you can't take out planes, its ogre for any real resistance
No.519778
>>519757This is a flagrant white flag without even telling you.
No.519780
>>519756It will just change hand from pro weatern porkies to pro Russian ones, like Belarus. Can't afford to incorporate unwilling populations.
No.519781
>>519776It says you have a fixation, and I guess you in the next ip/post will say how horrible Putin is jailing communists.
No.519782
>>519770Who's they? Ukrainian Air Force is gone.
Also, of course they have MANPADS. That one anon who freaked out over the helicopter shootdown was being over-dramatic.
No.519783
>>519775Is there any point at all besides being a bit of an autist? I just want a recap of what has actually happened and what Russia has done yet on one hand all the pro-Russian outlets say absolutely nothing while the anti-Russian outlets exaggerate everything.
No.519785
>>519758>Alright, it is a bit idealistic thinking what people think will affect things. but anon, I ask you again, why would Australia deliberately engage in militaristic provocation of China, our bigest trading partner. Materially for my nations bourgoisie, this makes no sense.
>So what does Putin invading Ukraine mean actuallyMy guess is to counter NATO hegemony and to expand his own. That's why I'm worried for the LPR and the DPR as I would hope for them to develop on their own and become their own nation, as opposed to a Russian proxy.
No.519786
>>774488
>Iraq war of Europe
>hasnt been started on a lie
>actually tried diplomacy first
>implying they will kill a tenth of the people compared to the long US occupation
>secure actual defense interest rather than stealing resources
i dont approve of war, im sad for civilians, but lets not be silly
No.519787
>>519779Rimmy's Australian.
It's good to know that there is at least one other aussie also as much of an autistic war nerd as me to be awake at 11PMEST watching livestreams about the Ukrainian war lol
No.519788
>>519743Me too. Many online MLs try to explain Russia's actions solely through the lens of containing NATO as if Russia is completely devoid of porkies that have their own agenda and dictate policy. Can someone provide a Marxist explanation as to what is happening now?
No.519789
>>519744bruh putins economic policy is close to mussolini style corporatism.
his economy policy is based heavily on allying with the borg while keeping them at the least kind off
One of his idelogical inspirations was fourth positionist dugin(who is just a third position larping as something else)
his political organization is not communist at all. and came into the existance after the failure of yelstin liberalism
and the alliance of communists dont really counter the fascist rethoric if you remember that mussolini himself allied with leftist syndies
like hes close to mussolinism what are you talking about?
No.519790
>Ukraine: FUCK COMMUNISM
>Russia: YEAH FUCK COMMUNISM, LETS TAKE BACK THE TZARIST TERRITORIES
i hope all actors involved in this charade get destroyed
No.519792
>>519788they're right, its about geopolitics and defense, not economy
No.519793
>>519780Not quite the question I'm asking, what I'm getting at is that Ukraine was a bit of a gap between NATO and that post-Soviet alliance beginning with C.
Now that there isn't a somewhat neutral country in between, is it a hard border? Will that have much impact or deter further movement of borders?
No.519795
>>519691It looks like the same Alligator.
No.519796
>>519787NTA (not that aussie) but im also awake
mostly just shitposting…
No.519799
>>519793>Now that there isn't a somewhat neutral country in betweenthere will be (a demilitarized puppet state), its literally the whole point
No.519800
>>519787he's been streaming for so many hours already!
No.519801
>>519797Hope Zelensky's not that stupid and it was just military cargo.
No.519802
>>519781If you think Putin does not jail genuine communists who call for the overthrow of Putininists Russia and the rebuilding of Soviet Russia then you are delusional. Just look at the Black panther guys still being detained in America for some clue okay ?
Face facts, stop having delusions of Putin's leftist credo, because he has none.
No.519804
>>519796Me too. This fuckin' conflicts keeping me up.
No.519805
>>519798>It seems to me, as a brainlet, that this whole thing as forced by NATO. So what do they get out of it?Hoping to turn Ukraine into another Afghanistan?
No.519806
>>519798they legitimize nato, force european unity behind them
No.519808
>>519798I'm not well-educated on this issue, but wasn't the NATE moves brinkmanship as a attempt at deterrence? "Don't do it or we will attack you!"
No.519809
>>519798defense contractor stocks go brrrrrrrr
outlook good for finance bros
No.519812
>>519810this was breaking news, say, 6 hours ago.
No.519813
link to the tv room pls
No.519815
>>519811this shit is insane. I can't look away.
No.519816
Is it true the Ukrainians are getting their shit absolutely wrecked?
No.519817
>>519813I'm not in it, but probably
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlashYou can click 'cytube' in the links at the top, after the board list.
No.519819
>>519811>>519797Are these two connected?
No.519821
> Russian conscripts' status changed to volunteers while they are sent to the "military exercises", military personnel rights activist said
No.519822
>>519785anti-imperialist national bourgeoisie (Putler) vs imperialist international bourgeoisie (NATO)
No.519823
>>519816It's unclear. The Russians have reached the Dnieper, but they havn't taken Kharkov yet. See
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwXe7IANPL0 No.519825
PUT THE CYTUBE LINK IN THE OP FROM NOW ON
No.519826
>>519785>>519765But the other Anons have a point though, doesn't this just legitimize NATO? They now have an enemy to unite behind. The only thing I can see stopping NATO from strengthening is German porkies succumbing to Russian gas and France just wanting to do their own thing. Is that materially possible in spite of all this?
No.519828
>>519826I think it will scare only some border states clearly not the whole of Europe like during the cold war
No.519830
>>519350OMEGA BASED POSTscreen captured and saved.
No.519831
>>519829I hope you're merely pretending
No.519832
>>519827Prolly something us plebs will never know.
No.519835
>>519826>German porkies succumbing to Russian gas Germany hurts themselves more with sanctions than they hurt Russia.
No.519836
>>519827It looks like he really lost his mind, there is no "material explanation", there is a osychiatric one
No.519837
>>519835They can''t help but to cuck to the US.
No.519838
>>519826Unlikely, this means a return to a great power realpolitik state of affairs and the big three EU powers are going to have to move away from US policy. Germoney isn't going to back sanctions that bite and that will cleave the EU and Anglos.
No.519839
>>519835Us will restart keystone retard. Will you LARPers just shut the fuck up for once. No Nordstrom shutting won't. There workarounds in progress
No.519840
>>519833I don't think that's fake
No.519841
>>5198277D Four-way Chess
No.519842
>>519828For fucks sake I'm living in Poland, I don't like how this is going.
No.519843
>>519798If this "conflict" blows over in a week then it'll be forgotten like the Georgian Russian conflict. If this conflict continues, or escalates, it'll most definitely play into NATOs hands and it'll allow the US and the entirety of the European continent and even African and Latin American countries to distance themselves from Russia. Of course China isn't saying anything cuz they want to avoid drama on "both sides". Some pro Socialist intervention anons don't like this but I commend China for not falling into pure ideology and playing the long game. China is the greatest and that's that.
No.519844
>>519827He had full sanctions coming, Nordstream was dead, NATO already make it public they weren't going to intervene. He had no reason not to. Bentley was talking about it too.
No.519845
>>519827Ukraine was determined to take back DPR/LPR by force and never implement Minsk. They were going to join NATO sooner or later (any talk otherwise was a "non-starter"). This would have then put Crimea at risk because at some point they'd try to take that back by force and if Russia resisted they'd be attacking a NATO member (which requires collective response by all of NATO).
How is that a good hand?
No.519846
>>519839Why buy from Russia at a reasonable price when you can get bullied into paying absurd amounts to america?
No.519847
>>519826NATO wanted to show it's strength in Ukraine. Instead Russia has shown how weak it is. Nato now looks very weak
Russia just made every US ally question whether the alliance they have with USA is worth the paper its written on
It has weakened Europe though. Germany will now buy expensive LNG gas as US squeezes it like a cow to milk.
Germany now won't drift to an independent sphere (situated between US and Russia and China) but now will be cucked and locked into US ownership
France understands what's happening and did try to organise against it but failed.
Europe will now decline alongside US
No.519848
>>519829requesting putin food inflation grain porn
No.519849
>>519802>If you think Putin does not jail genuine communists who call for the overthrow of Putininists Russia and the rebuilding of Soviet Russia then you are delusional
>noooo the only communists good are the ones involved in armed struggled, ebin puain reee>the others are pure controlled opposition
>black panther>uses a non-sequitur, through a false equivalence.Ok, libtard.
No.519850
>>519839Just magically appear energy infrastructure to feed an entire continent just like in my hecking strategy videogamarinos
No.519852
>Rimmy.
>"WHO KNOWS. LIKE WHO KNOWS! ITS ALL GUESSING! LIKE YEAH…WE M A Y WAKE UP TOMORROW AND FIND OUT KIEV HAS FALLEN, OR IT COULD TURN INTO A WINTER WAR OR AN AFGHANISTAN SITUATION…AND RUSSIA IS JUST TAKING LIKE…MASSIVE DAMAGE…TO ASYMETRICAL COMBAT…WHO KNOWS! LIKE WE COULD WAKE UP TOMORROW AND SOMEHOW UKRAINE HAS PUSHED RUSSIA BACK TO THE DON RIVER!"
LoL what a delusional lib
No.519853
>>519847The whole world will condemn this. India, Brazil China even. Russia will be hit with the harshest sanctions. Third world countries will think twice about doing business with Russia or face Western sanctions. This is the beggining of the end for Russia.
No.519854
>>519843China is planning to become a superpower so they want to play both sides. Face facts.
No.519856
>>519851dow futures are -800 right now
No.519857
>>519847Literally Europe is the weak link of NATO and western Europe is the most revolutionary subject in all of NATo because of this (as they see the Russia conflict as retarded).
No.519858
>>519854Kind of based, tbh. When Russia and NATO-land have wiped each other out, the Dragon will rise up to redeem the world.
No.519860
>>519842I was having a paradox-brained daydream about how maybe Putler could convince Poland to leave NATO in exchange for that strip of land in the Ukraine they used to own but then I remembered that barely any Poles live there anymore
No.519861
>>519801Zelensky should organize a surrender in exchange for being allowed to fly out with a planeload of cash
No.519862
>>519851They closed MOEX exchange waaaaay before this post.
No.519863
>>519861They're keeping two Turkish military Airbuses that they seized available for him, apparently.
No.519864
>>519861zelinsky is getting paraded around kiev bloody on the front of a truck and then bayoneted in the butt like gaddafi. no way to avoid.
No.519868
>>519866Some Russians captured nothing interesting
No.519869
>>519866tons of fake news being throwing around with these pictures.
No.519870
>>519866scroll up, seen that face already
No.519872
>>519853I think Russia will persevere but that's just me.
No.519873
>>519860Why whould the poles take majority Ukrainian land same with Russia taking non border regions
No.519874
>>519826>But the other Anons have a point though, doesn't this just legitimize NATO?What this anon says
>>519838Also, given their support for Ukraine (and how well that's going) the world can only look back and watch.
No.519875
>>519851>>519856>nooooo war is good for business aaaaaahhhhh!!!!!libs blown
No.519876
>>519853I would hope so, but no, porkies will forget everything because they need to profit
No.519877
https://twitter.com/veyselmidilli3/status/1496817380424617986?s=21
>A #russianinvasion convoy destroyed by #Ukraine armed forces in HarkovAny validity on this?
No.519879
Is there proof of ethnic cleansing in eastern ukraine? or is it just bullshit? pls show me proof.
No.519881
>ukrainian athletes are now banned from the olympics and have to call themselves ROC
OOPS
No.519883
>>519871>A retard that doesn't have a basic grasp on economics denies reality again.Shocking
No.519884
I feel bad for both sides but especially the Ukrainian,why give your life for a war that your generals have already said you will lose
No.519885
>>519880lol who woulda thunk'd war gamers are anti-war?
No.519886
>>519877Are you wanting validity in war reporting? Wait for at least official Ukrainian report
No.519888
>>519884Nationalism is a hell of a drug. They will fight 'for honor' or some shit.
No.519889
Russia should literally just drop the Russian Demonym and just call itself 'The Federation'
That's cyberpunk as all shit!
No.519890
>>519853Dude. Trust the process. Putin WANTS that to happen. You do realize this is how USSR 2 comes about, right?
No.519891
>>519889Hell no. If it was the USSR it might've called itself the Federation.
No.519892
>>519883>accuses others of not knowing the economy>doesn't know that the ~93% commodities markets, 91% of international reserves, and ~97% of currency markets in the 00s were traded in USD, now is 72 the first, ~75 the other, and 54% in the international reserves only are in USD>believes in the jibberish he says about Russia.Where do these types get their info, JFC.
No.519894
>>519888Not going to prison is a cool drug the conscripts surely like. But now that the shit hit the fan you can expect desertion. I sure as hell would scram asap in their shoes.
No.519895
This event will be a good illustration of who the real communists are.
Nationalist chauvinists vs proletarian internationalists.
No.519896
>>519892If you think Russia is in any position to outlast the us economy. I promise you that you are sorely mistaken. You're in denial I get it but Russia economically, is finished
No.519897
>>519886Just wanting to see if it's actually 2014 footage reheated because there's a lot of that going round. Figured someone here would know.
No.519899
>>519895Are you overthrowing any time soon the queen? is getting tiresome you talking about revolution.
No.519900
>>519895They are the same people who would complain about "social-fascists" in thirties.
No.519901
>>519895>non sequitur flame baitreported
No.519902
>>519895I've been saying that this whole thread. 80% of the retards here are shilling for the Iraq war In Europe
No.519903
>>519895Reportedly some antifascists kidnapped some nazi and hanged him outside Kiev.
But other reports say Russian special forces did it. Cheers either way.
No.519904
>>519836>there is no "material explanation"But there is one tho, a population of 35m people very similiar ethnically and culturaly to the point assimilation would not be difficult.
No.519905
Literally no stake in any of this, it's just Slav-on-Slav violence.
No.519906
https://www.moex.com/n41370/?nt=201>Moscow Exchange has suspended trading on all of its markets until further notice.It fell by at least 45% by the time trading was suspended lmao
No.519907
>>519896They already have years of trading with Pakistan and China in a common currency and most of their international reserves are in gold and yuan. Russia can live without the EU and western hegemon, westerners can't without their energy.
No.519908
>>519893This actually seems to be what most Finns think is going to happen next. I have a hard time beliving it tho
No.519909
>>519902Evil Americans waged war on poor progressive antifascist Saddam Hussein and now nazi-controlled Ukraine under American control wants to kill all Russians
No.519911
>>519906NOOO WAR IS GOOD FOR BUSINESS
No.519912
>yammer about how ideologically pure of a leftist you are
>the second you have to take a material stance, it's against the enemies of NATO
What's the fucking difference between Lenin-hat and Kochinski?
No.519914
I don't care about communism and shit, I just want to see Americans and their dogs suffer.
No.519916
>>519912One gets replies on the backwaters of the internet telling them why they're an idiot, the other has a stream of simps and a partner.
No.519917
>>519914Are there no happening threads on /pol/? Are things really that bad over there?
No.519918
>>519849You should read Enver Hoxha, it will make you simp less for pseudo-leftists like Putin or Xi Jinping.
No.519919
>>519858>h. When Russia and NATO-land have wiped each other out, the Dragon will rise up to redeem the world.Okay Dengist you have sucked your master enough, now go get that paycheck.
No.519920
>>519916Damn. I hope Lenin-hat is actually on the glowie payroll. Imagine does this shit for free.
No.519921
>>519915NATO are going to look like a good guys. Congratulations to all anti-imperialists here!
No.519922
>>519906>at least 45% by>sourceIn reality, I think they stopped at 10~11%.
No.519923
>>519915Bad move, they're running out of Karelia
No.519924
>>519907Oh my god you're so stupid words fail me. America has lots of gas. As does Canada. We are restarting our unfinished pipeline and alternative energy sources exist like nuclear and smr. Which can be deployed quickly and cheaply. You lost the energy game Putin cock gargler
>>519909Save it faggotha. Putin is the aggressor the entire world is condemning this
No.519925
>>519921Lesser of two evils in this situation for sure
No.519926
>>519920Doing things for free is fascism.
No.519927
>>519925> America and NATO> Lesser of two evilsThat's a principal contradiction right there.
No.519928
>>519918🙄
And you should do your socialist revolution, instead of acting like a liberal.
No.519929
>>519915Da fuq is wrong with nato?
No.519930
>>519924Not to mention that this might make EU mobilise heavily on nuclear and renewables, who would have guessed this war would be good for the environment
No.519931
>>519908If Russia does in fact go all the way to Kiev and occupy the whole Ukraine, then you'll have to put aside that bit of speculation because if Putin were so bold as to take Ukraine then he'll definitely think of taking Finland or Poland.
No.519932
>>519928I will pal, I will.
No.519933
>>519921We got too cocky, anti-imperialist bros… We forgot about the heckin optics!
No.519934
>>519924> the entire world is condemning thisThe same world supported Iraq war. What about Nicaragua, Bolivia, Cuba and Venezuela, the actual leftist states?
No.519935
>>519925>Lesser of two evilsSir this is an anti American space I'll ask you to stop speaking in burger tongue
No.519936
You traded any material analysis in favor in NATO bad brainrot
No.519937
>>519935Don't let your hate for US to blind you to the complete madness and sadism of Putin
No.519938
>>519934It means no one believe your obvious bullshit and no one thinks Iraq justifies Putin murdering people
No.519939
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1496821150541885440?s=20&t=ffALJwiNgY0PCyc_ehU8ZwUkraine utterly cucked by NATO. I've also been hearing large chunks of the Ukrainian military has been deserting/defecting.
No.519940
>>519924>>519924>America has lots of gas. As does Canada. We are restarting our unfinished pipeline and alternative energy sources exist like nuclear and smr. lol, ok, so good European ruling class can't agree on sanction Russia's energy market.
>>You lost the energy game Putin cock garglerIs this somehow a let's say Putin is a moron because he did a bad move, therefore why do all support this or something? not following the chain of thoughts, because I am just debunking your statements.
If that's a burn to you that you have to flex some weird and retard strawman, good.
No.519941
Would Marx support the invasion of Ukraine?
No.519942
>>519938Give me positions of Venezuela, Nicaragua and Cuba on this conflict
No.519943
>>519895I would agree with you if you weren't a retard.
Reminder you claimed the working class has no stake in this fight, when they are being manhandled by corrupt puppet governments, NATO, Russian aggression, Ukrainian nazis, sanctions, fake news.
You can't pretend (geo)-politics don't exist just because they don't fit in your world view.
Russia was pushed into this shit by NATO. If China did this to Russia, the situation would be the same. It's not that Russia is a victim, but there's a clear culprit to all of this. The issue is that NATO KEEPS pushing. If you truly don't want war then there's a clear path for it.
That's not getting into the fact that support for Ukraines government bullshit is support for NATO, an organization for imperialism. The situation is FUCKED, no doubt, but the working class it at the mercy of their handlers.
No.519944
>>519939>I've also been hearing large chunks of the Ukrainian military has been deserting/defecting.I mean, I would.
No.519945
Where are the pictures of dead Ukrainian fascists?
No.519946
>>519915Oof, if Russia gets owned by a bunch of skiers dressed in white all over again I don't think they'll recover this time.
No.519948
>>519937States are rational actors and their heads are more often than not also rational. Giving emotional characters to leaders in order to explain the geopolitical relations is 99% a very bad idea and the sign that you've been manipulated
No.519949
>>519941Marx would critically support anything that damages American imperialism, but ultimately disregard the invasion of Ukraine as bourgeois nation vs bourgeois nation.
No.519950
>>51994140s Marx or 70s Marx
No.519951
>>519932Meanwhile, let the people that finally is overthrowing the unipolar world do their shit, meanwhile, you can hurry nothing, if you want. After all, the west hasn't had any socialist revolution in its history, so we can wait another century.
No.519952
>>519940Well they literally kills Nordstrom so there's that.
You havent debunked anything you made an idiotic statement that muh gas hurts Germany more than Russia which was easily proven false
No.519953
>>519934The only reason they are condemning this is because Ukraine is poised to become a NATO Ally.
No.519954
>>519949He supported the US invasion of Mexico so i dunno about that
No.519955
>>519942Backed DPR recognition, all of them. No public statements about the military clash.
No.519956
>>519948The thing is the Russian state is Putin, there no democracy just the shenanigans of a crazy leader. Rational Russians understand that this war is Putin vs Ukraine, not Russia vs Ukraine
No.519957
>>519951>(You)You presume Russia and China want to "overthrow the unipolar world" instead of simply wanting to expand their empire and seize colonies from America and the West. That assertion is without proof. You should read Lenin.
No.519958
>>519956These "Russians" are just 40% of population according to the polls, the majority supports denazification of Ukraine
No.519961
>>519954the US back then wasn't what it is today though
No.519962
>>519952>You havent debunked anything you made an idiotic statement that muh gas hurts Germany more than Russia which was easily proven falseThat wasn't the point in the first posts, you goalpost mover, your point was that Russia will get hurte. That's not the case.
No.519963
>>519959This is an anti-Russian paper known for their support of Chechen US-backed terrorists
No.519964
>>519959this is all controled by the united russia
No.519965
>>519956Which action has been irrational? I think you've been misled. His decisions are well justified when he makes them. Whether I agree with his decisions or his goals is another thing. Mad? Stupid? If anything he strikes me as very rational, very competent, and definitely a clear thinker.
No.519966
>>519959they are pretty large but usually read by Moscow and St Petersburg libs
No.519967
>>519944True. At this point the best outcome for Ukraine is Putin actually upholding with his stated intention of simple demilitarization and gulaging Azov.
No.519968
How about this, NATO and Russia are both retarded, only Russia is slightly more retarded for invading. But hey I don't have all the facts, will they eventually be revealed? I hope so. I hope in future I can look back and read about this developing situation and studying in context for I can judge it better.
No.519969
>>519915>russia cant accept a state at its border entering nato and are prepared to make a war for it>I know, I will declare I wanna enter nato !lol
No.519970
>>519958Because they have been gurgling up Russian state tv and are actually delusional enough to think a country with no major right wing parties and a jewish president is somehow engaged in nazism. Calling your enemy nazi works great to stir up Russians since WW2 is a big part of our cultural construct
No.519971
>>519956>there no democracy And where is?
>shenanigans of a crazy leaderSure thing. If this is just dementia thing the bourgs and army would told him to fuck off. They have a plan, it might be stupid and may not work but it goes beyond "doing stupid shit because le Leader wants it"
No.519972
>>519921oh no, the liberal media hating on russia and whitewashing nato for decades will… keep doing it ?
No.519975
>>519946Finland lost the winter war retard
No.519977
>>519975B…but…. muh k/d/a…
No.519978
>>519974Do you presume Putin is some sort of heroic national liberation fighter or something ? If you think so then you are delusional. Face facts.
I have recommended Enver Hoxha so that you can understand the reality of the situation. Take it or leave it.
No.519979
>>519976Yes a bataillon and squad sized sects are two different things
No.519980
>>519973Just because there is a far right battalion in a country doesn't mean you are justified to call the whole country Nazi
No.519981
>>519908They hysteria is unreal, that's for sure. Even if there is no reason for Russia to do that, now or in the future. But still these people don't understand Why Ukraine went the way it did. Euromaidan and the U turn Ukraine took after that never happened and the Nazis in Ukrainian gov and military are all Russian propaganda. In their mind's this just came out of the blue and Putin went mad and attacked Ukraine because he could. All thanks to our piece of shit media that quote's yankee media 24/7 in all foreign policy related subjects.
I wouldn't be surprised if this me shithole country joins Nato now and probably Sweden too, the right has for long wished this. These people think we would be a proper western country then and that they would feel safe again if US practiced nuclear brinkmanship over our heads with Russia. If that were to happen it is a another powderkeg in Europe and I surely would not feel safe.
No.519982
>>519975Meh, everyone lost the winter war. What has stopped Russia and Finland from going to war since has always been the fact that both sides will lose once again.
No.519986
>>519956Also comrade, don't fall for the illusion that BoJo is dumb or crazy. Trump too. Biden might be a literal flesh puppet at this point, but his cabinet is not stupid either. Their motivations are not based on "insanity" or whatever. Don't fall for it.
No.519987
>>519978Yes, Putin is secretly a communist, why? Don't ask me how I know, I just know. Also he's secretly spreading communist revolution all over the world, trust the plan.
No.519988
>>519984Do you want me to list you all the Russian far righters? If anything Russia is on the side of fascism right now
No.519989
>>519978Make your fucking revolution. I don't care, I am tired of pseuds like you that don't have shit to criticize others, while they have decades of innaction.
Fuck off.
>>519976They are not integrated in the military branches of the state. cope
No.519990
>>519986>>519986Ah yes Bojo the promoter of Gulab Jamun
No.519991
>>519988Putin clearly stated that his goal is denazification of Ukraine
No.519993
>>519985All militaries will have nazis in their ranks since they are obsessed with war and all of those reactionary elements which are abundant in armies. Don't fall for Russian propaganda, look at the bigger picture, Ukraine has no big far right party, their president is Jewish ffs
No.519994
>>519988It's more about Bandera being a national hero respected by most of the rulling class in Ukraine. Which is telling
No.519996
>>519993Stop shilling for Ukraine lol.
No.519997
>>519985Russia literally has far rightist reactionaries of the same vein as Ukraine. But a shit stain would ignore with their binary brain that cannot understand how two countries could both be Nazis, what a shame.
No.519998
>>519995Yeah wasn't Hitler a Jewish person ?
No.519999
>>519995zomg Indira Gandhi is prime minister, india is now a matriarchy!!
No.520000
Hope you all enjoy getting blown up for muh based Putin.
No.520001
Any good webms?
No.520004
>>519993>their president is Jewish ffs<muh zelensky Jewish copeAnd Schindler worked under the nazi germany
That doesn't change they want and love genocide.
You don't fucking see communists fighting with the ukrainian military except fucking nazis, but you will see communists fighting alongside the DPR.
>All militaries will have nazis in their ranks since they are obsessedJFC the retardest shit I have ever read. JFC.
Can't you fucking compare what NATO did in Yugoslavia vs. what Russia is doing? the difference in the population, the scale of the violence. FUCK YOU.
No.520006
>>519970>>519993>muh jewish presidentCool, now tell that one about those black people in the SS. Non-argument
>>519980Having a literal nazi battalion integrated in your army and praising ww2 nazi collaborators makes your country fascist, yes. That's how marxists saw West Germany.
Hope tearing down all those Lenin statues was worth it tho. Lel
No.520008
>>519375He's correct.
From today on Us unipolar world is over.
Its Porky A vs Porky B.
No.520009
>>520004>but you will see communists fighting alongside the DPR.Then they're idiots and actually bourgeois nationalists who just like the Red Banner.
No.520010
new thread pl0x
No.520011
https://twitter.com/kievukrainelive/status/1496832002397380608?s=21
>An apartment in Kharkov is struck by a rocket #UkraineThey're coming for you while you're posting
No.520012
>>520009How's going the revolution champ? by today or tomorrow?
No.520013
>>520009There were some actual communists with naive dreams of turning ethnic conflict into a class war
No.520015
>>520012>I am a doomers therefore I mock principled revolutionariesGreat spirit comrade
No.520017
>>520008Are you retarded?
No.520018
>>519954>my understanding of dialectical materialism is that nothing ever changesprofound
No.520019
>>520015Unlike you, I do fucking live in a sanctioned country. I do know what U.S. imperialism is, and won't wait for you to make a revolution forever. Suck it up, and deal with it. And unless you don't start a revolution, I don't care about your opinions.
No.520020
>>520007>>520016Some fake/misleading bullshit in there so be careful
No.520021
>>520004The fact you take it so personal defending an invading force tells a lot.
Surely a country so sympathetic to nazis will have far right parties flooding the parliament right? I invite you to research by yourself how much seats they have.
No.520022
Are both sides trying to create a hardline blocks to force Europeans and Turks to pick sides?
No.520023
>>520021retard, go defend ukraine on reddit.
No.520024
In other words, you are out of arguments
No.520025
>>520019Then stop posting on a revolutionary forum if it makes you mad lol.
No.520027
It's happening. Putin is making Warhammer 40k real.
But I agree it is fascist imperialism versus fascist imperialism.
No.520028
>>520015Purists are pampered trash who have it too good.
They should have all their wealth taken from them.
No.520029
i have arguments but i won't share
No.520030
CNN fag hanging out by BMPs hoping to get clapped on live TV
They're really thirsty for that atrocity propaganda.
No.520031
>>520021Communists in Russia are the second, and growing largest force in Russia, and the nationalists had to form a coalition to get seats, cope moar.
No.520032
>>520031Russian Communist Party is a very nationalist and pro-religion party
No.520033
>>520025Who says I am mad, lol.
>projection. No.520034
Why are they so cavalier about Israel occupying Palestine but gung ho to drive Russia out of Ukraine? I don't qwhite get it.
No.520035
>>520034Russia is a threat
No.520036
>>519950what would 40s Marx say?
what would 70s Marx say?
No.520037
>>520034Fuck Israel government. Fuck Russian government. Who are "they" you are talking about?
No.520038
>>519990Is that a video? I remember a video by umami?
>>520029Don't be shy, come on. What do you think?
No.520039
>· The Russian Foreign Minister, Sergey Lavrov, held a telephone conversation this Thursday with his Chinese counterpart, Wang Yi.
>The senior officials discussed the current situation in eastern Ukraine in the context of Russia's recognition of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics and President Vladimir Putin's decision, in response to an appeal by the leaders of these republics, to launch a special military operation in order to protect the population.
>The ministers shared the view that the current crisis is caused by Kiev's refusal to implement the Minsk "package of measures" approved by the UN Security Council, a refusal that was encouraged by the US and its allies . Finally, both officials insisted on the need for all countries to respect the principle of indivisibility of security
No.520040
>>52003640s Lenin hat position and 70s that this is the time for Kievites to do a commune against everyone
No.520041
Are you seriously calling post-1993 KPRF communist? They have a lot of communists in rank-and-file, that's all
No.520042
>>520037Wh*tes and w*stoids
No.520043
>>520037The people who want other countries to enter the war.
No.520044
So, let me get this straight.
>Vladolf Putler.
>Xi Jinohito.
>Aleksto Lukalini.
>Bashinsco Assadco
This is kiterally the nazis all over again!
No.520048
See, if Russia and China win and America loses that ends the whole Western leftist fantasy of Fully Luxury Automated Gay Space Communism. That's why the West must win and the End of History must be real.
No.520049
>>520043Why we should discuss them on leftypol?
No.520050
>>520046mcdonalds has fallen…
No.520051
>>520050Thats it boys, America lost. We can all go home now
No.520052
>>520046Ukraine is also the last European country without burger king and the US embassy is evacuated. It's over
No.520053
Has there even been many casualties? Neolibs keep saying people are dying but nobody is saying how many
No.520054
>>520053The war literally just started, have patience
No.520055
>>520046thank god americans were evacuated already
No.520056
>>520053I'll think will need to wait for an aftermath for accurate numbers. Civilian losses are unfortunately going to happen, that much we know.
No.520058
>>520056Like killed soldiers don't matter
No.520059
i'm so tired of the hitler/putin czechoslovakia comparisons
No.520060
>>520059it's more like Danzig and Poland
No.520063
Who is winning, what is the front, is there a front? WHY ARE THERE NO IMAGES OR FOOTAGE. IS THIS 1858
No.520065
>>520061Ass stretched. Even a Su-27 deserted to Romania, the guy probably said, no shit I am going to die today.
No.520068
>>520064Russian troll farms in full force trying to get shitposters on their side
No.520070
>>520059Vladolf Putler confirmed
No.520071
>>520063>Who is winningChina
No.520072
>>520059Putin citing the need for ethnic homogenity of all Russian people didn't help the situation
No.520073
>>519729Undisputed control over a new market.
That said they will probably lose more in sanctions than what they gain from this.
No.520077
>>520074kek what are they gonna do? Buy guns from Somalis?
They don't have a navy left, they can't even send boatfuls of cash across the Black Sea to Turkey for more murderdrones.
No.520078
>>520071>>520071Why won't anybody please think of the
CHYNAH?
>>520073Possibly. Calculated cost. And tbh, if it was to stop those murders, I more than happy.
No.520079
I really cant understand how any self proclaimed leftist can be supportive of Russian agression
No.520082
Putin wanted to stop the trend of casualties in Ukraine, praise him
No.520083
>>520074lol, the scam. The social media account owner is financing his retirement.
No.520084
>>520078I'm being semi-ironic but I think they would benefit from a full-scale war lol
No.520086
>>519970>they are just brainwashed!!!1Every time
No.520087
>>520067Chech Germans weren't oppressed though
No.520088
>>520079Nato is the baddest baddy, people against nato are good ones
No.520090
>>520085
Tulsi Gabbard shut the fuck up challenge
No.520092
>>520067Again, Stalin did say that Hitler could have been a collector of German lands if he did not enslave other ethnicities
No.520095
>>520088This, I dont care how much civilians will die in imperialist wars of agression, as long as its done with the pretext of being anti nato I will fully support it
No.520096
>>520069Isn't that little bit north of Kiev?
No.520097
>>520079We're not supportive of Russian aggression because of any actual support for the Russian federation. However, if you honest to god want a Communist future sometime in the future, you should absolutely support anything that weakens NATO or American imperialism, even if it is ultimately a war between bourgeois powers.
No.520098
>>520081Who was posting that meme about the SJW shooting JDAMs or whatever?
That goes both ways uygha
No.520099
>>519829Russia is already an agricultural superpower
No.520100
>>520085
Ukraine did not have the capability to launch or to maintain those missiles. Keeping them would have made no difference.
No.520101
>>520099And also an energetic one!
No.520104
>>520099Largest wheat exporter if I'm not mistaken
No.520105
>>520100Finally some sane take on this fact
No.520106
>>520097How is this weakining NATO? Before the escalations happened NATO was scattered and it was trending in Europe to think of a new alliance independent of the USA. If anything this conflict has strenghtened NATO since all countries are uniting against a common perceived threat.
No.520107
>>520094Another KA52? I imagine glowies military aid has been handing out MANPADS like candy so the heliborne deep assaults might rack up some bad beats for putler
No.520108
Why the fuck would EU deny entry to Russian citizens. That's the most illogical step to take
No.520109
>>520106this
Pooting is a fucking moron; just take with what you had in the breakaway republics and stop until further notice
No.520110
>>520106Not to mention it might result in Finland and Sweden getting into NATO
No.520112
>>520110At least we saved Ukraine from NATO nazism
No.520113
Hold the fuck up. Did Russia literally take the whole country of Ukraine? They just ate them up like that, leaving no crumbs?
I'm fucking dead
No.520114
>>520106Give it time bruh.
It's only a matter of time till the Gas becomes expensive as hell and everything goes to shit in Europe.
Once they recognized that they
can't antagonize Russia NATO will start breaking over it's own weight.
No.520115
>>520106its pitting german industrial pork against burgers, because of NS2
No.520118
guyz, george w bush has just condemned the "unprovoked and unjustified invasion"
https://twitter.com/vmsalama/status/1496839582427774976how will putler ever recover?
No.520119
>>520079>supportive most are not "supportive", but we recognize that it was nato geopolitical aggression that lead to this, and not "muh putin want landz" lib shit
I still condemn the invasion, but putin spitting straight fact in speech while libs screech to see their pet nazis that kept bombing the republics get fucked is pretty funny
No.520120
>>520107Well, the fact you saw videos by hundreds of heli doing find, this seems very miniaml. KA52 are gound hunters, and very fast and agile, that's why they face more stinger fights.
The same happened in Iraq, with the costly vipers always getting downed. The U.S. started to rely on their older versions, the apache because a fucking viper down hurts, 2 per week is a pain in the ass.
No.520121
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No.520122
>>520104aint that the US?
No.520125
>>520017<Implying this is not the defining moment of the rise of multipolarity, and that Us domination over the world is not over.Are you reading the fucking news?
No.520126
>>520119>not "muh putin want landz" lib shithe literally admitted it on 4K
No.520128
>>520126nope, he admitted he dont want nato at his ukraine border, and he believes war now is the only way
No.520131
>>520094>Russians lose helicopters<Ukrainians lose towns when not entire districtsIts over for the Ukrops, they should just surrender en masse.
No.520132
>>519875War is good for business when they're expecting it and on the sidelines.
No.520133
>>520130There's nothing to hope.
Its already in force after the events of today.
I don't really see a way back.
No.520134
>>520133cold war 2.0. this time with no communists
No.520135
>>520131Hostomel is directly next to Kiev. Russians are already besieging the capital of Ukraine with all of it's politicians still inside.
No.520137
>>520114Keep dreaming schizo
No.520138
>>520093Imagine dying for this. This is pathetic.
No.520140
>>520114Gas will be more expensive but if anything the energy crisis might mobilize Europe for nuclear and renewables. Collapse of Europe wont happen because of this
No.520141
this shit is so cool, all the fags crying about this need to learn to have fun
No.520142
>>519989I am tired of pseuds like Putin and Xi Jinping who took forever to "overthrow a unipolar world" who don't have shit to criticize others, while they have decades of innaction.
Fuck off.
No.520143
>>520141yeah we live in interesting times, sit back and enjoy the breakdown of the neoliberal delusion.
All the frothing liberals will be radicalizing in a few years. That they sperg now is just a necessary process in shattering their worldview.
No.520145
>>519596One can only dream that anti war communist movement will rise in Russia and the west will start sympathising with them
No.520146
>>520064>>520068Its from 2014, the city in the background is Sevastopol
No.520147
>>519495Grace-chads, we keep winning
No.520148
>>519537>turning the world into a bunch of tiny ethnostates will raise class consciousness"no"
No.520149
>>519596>the reputation of shitty ML state capitalist countries will be sulliedwho cares
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