>>528054Kek mask off
What about the heckin private propertarino?
>>528058Let's be honest, Rittenhouse would be an Azovite.
And if they let Breivik and Tarrant out of jail with a one way ticket to any city, they'd go join up with Azov to get buttfucked by Chechens.
>>528067That's Kharkiv, being contested, ofc they will have cassualties, but their bulk equipment is destroyed. They will rely on guerrilla warfare techniques.
Chechens are better than anyone, but perhaps got bad luck.
>>528061Ukrainians are good people, their government is a bunch of faggots and incorporates a large, armed neonazi current into their armed forces.
If you support the Ukrainian people and not Nazis, you'll be cheering for Kiev to be taken so as few Ukrainians as possible die.
>>528086Based heckin' anti-imperialist?
>>528091Berlin wasn't capture in one day.
>>528043I almost feel pity for him but he must understand the position his country is in and the full ramifications of his actions.
Don't get me wrong, what Russia is doing is absolutely horrendous, but Zelensky had multiple opportunities to negotiate a peaceful resolution. He got played by NATO, abandoned, and is still doubling down. The best course of action is to surrender completely and unconditionally.
What a fucking shit show. Reminder this is 100% United State's fault.
>>528074>The Atlantic Council (AC), the “semi-official think tank of NATO” that has championed a new Cold War with Russia, is well known for influence peddling. The Council has been connected to several Ukrainian oligarchs, namely Victor Pinchuk, who founded the Yalta European Strategy (YES) conference in 2004 to promote Ukraine’s membership in the European Union; Rinat Akhmetov, formerly the chief financial backer of the pro-Russian president Viktor Yanukovych, chased from Ukraine by protests hijacked by the far-right and triggered by his decision not to sign an association agreement with the EU in 2013; and Mykola Zlochevsky, the founder and president of Burisma Holdings, the Ukrainian gas company that Hunter Biden infamously joined the board of soon after Yanukovych’s government was swept from power in 2014.
>Also evidently attempting to influence the United States government’s Ukraine policy via the Atlantic Council is what remains of the WW2-era pro-Nazi Ukrainian fascist leader Stepan Bandera’s postwar transnational underground network. Relatively few seem to realize, let alone appreciate, the extent to which the crypto-fascist Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists-Bandera (OUN-B) operates in 21st century Ukraine and especially the Ukrainian diaspora. Bandera’s sworn followers above all appear to exert influence in the Atlantic Council via the Center for US-Ukrainain Relations, more than likely an OUN-B front, and the Banderite-led Ukrainian World Congress, which officially partnered with the Atlantic Council in 2014 to implement the latter’s “Ukraine in Europe Initiative.”
>The CIA didn’t back Bandera, but nevertheless whitewashed his wartime followers and helped facilitate, if only indirectly, his cultish supporters’ takeover of the Ukrainian diaspora during the Cold War via the OUN-B’s Organizations of the Ukrainian Liberation Front. This postwar coalition of Banderite NGOs formally united internationally as the World Ukrainian Liberation Front after the 1967 creation of the World Congress of Free Ukrainians, what is now called the Ukrainian World Congress (UWC). The “Liberation Front,” which is today technically a member of the UWC, has adopted numerous names after the collapse of the Soviet Union, including the Organizations of the Ukrainian State Front, the Coordination Council of State Organizations in Ukraine, and the World Conference of Ukrainian State Organizations, but these days it is best known in English as the International Council in Support of Ukraine (ICSU).
>In the meantime, the Banderites have led the Ukrainian World Congress at least since 1998, when Askold Lozynskyj, a conniving attorney and OUN-B operative in the US for the past several decades, became its leader. After his 10-year term as UWC president ended in 2008, he became the chairman of the ICSU, the global coordinating body of OUN-B affiliated NGOs, which are also UWC members. “There isn't a politician in the United States,” Lozynskyj declared in 1997, “who will ignore or would ignore the Ukrainian American community or the issues which the Ukrainian community holds dear.” That has only become more true, but few if any US politicians appear to be cognizant of the Banderites’ co-opting of the organized Ukrainian American community.[…] https://banderalobby.substack.com/p/bandera-and-the-atlantic-council >>528095The problem is, this is an idealism take. Those who hold violence will submit their people to it. That's why to win over nazi Germany took to take until the last piece of land.
>>528049WHOLESOME
>>528095Exactly. What the Ukrainian government has done to its people at the behest of United States is extremely reprehensible. What Russia is doing, because of legitimate concerns for its safety, is absolutely horrific.
Ukraine must surrender. There is no pride in being cannon fodder.
Again, remember that Ukrainians are dying because the US is playing geopolitical chess. They can stop this at any point.
>>528110Cheek clapper battalion being deployed
TWENTY EIGHT CHECHEN MARINES
COMING TO FUCK AZOV'S BUTT
>>528128Donbass is where the shit is going down, where Ukraine deployed their hardest forces plus Azov, and is where the dudes from the Kherson front are rushing to hammer and anvil them.
Notice that Russian troops don't care about being filmed and are pretty chill in most places? And how there also happens to be nothing being filmed in Donbass?
Yeah…
>>528095I can't be for it, because Putin is no way better than them. Both are nationalistic dictatorships which don't care about anything but keeping up their riches. I won't play these dumb word games here and pretend one sides is good.
>>528107So being glowie means be against unecessary deaths and invasions of nations? And I'm not denying there were no nazies in west germany. I'm taking the view that being a fascist is something that can take place in any part of the world, and in ways that are meaningful, west germany was way more succesful in destroying it's nazi past than the east ever was like can be seen today. The worst way to defeat fascism is by making borders and building surveilance states. Which is what east germany did.
>>528138>It's Ukraine source come onLol Russia sources are regularly posted here and Russia employed people
People are allowed to post both
>>528142I agree on paper, but it's been a constant trend of Ukraine claiming the most imaginary things (1,000+ casualties, etc).
Russian reports aren't accurate and some of it is definitely bullshit, but it's easier to sort through the bullshit.
>>528052>On the side of RussiaFox News, Donald Trump, american fascists, Russian fascists
>On the side of UkraineUkrainian fascists, liberals, reddit, nearly ever sovereign nation
I'm sticking with neutrality and anti-conflict.
>>528148>>528151Show those lies, I dare you.
>>528155Well then, how come Russian sources don't lie? Well, they don't lie so fucking brazenly like: GHOST OF KIEV, CLAIMING THAT THERE ARE SABOTEURS IN UKR CLOTHES, THAT THEY KILL 2800 RUSSIAN TROOPS, 100 TANKS ETC, ABOUT TAKING OBJECTIVES, and so on and so forth. I fucking dare you to find Russia like like this
>>528187 (checked)
Old video
>>528182>mh17AHAHAHA
What a fucking clown you are. I dared you, and you failed to show any actual proof.
>>528181They were saying truth in this regard for MONTHS, ffs, while US was screeching incessantly about an invasion any day now. Again, you are fucking wrong here.
And EVEN THEN when we look at situation Ukrainian lies are EVERYWHERE. GHOST OF MOTHERFUCKING KIEV, you retards. Where's Russia's analog of bullshittery like that? What the fuck is wrong with your brains, you dumb fucks?
>>528151>Russian sources constantly lie lolProof of this endless fakes?
>They basically invented the use of flight sim game footage to fake plane attacking stuff a decade ago.And what has this anything to do with the reports during this time?
>>528202>muh pmcscope, ethernal anarchist.
Communists are fighting alongside the Russian army.
No communist fight alongside the ukrops.
>>528182>>528201>>528203>retardOh gee, do I need to explain the nuance to you? Comapre Ukraine INVENTING FUCKING NEW REALITY WHERE IT'S WINNING THE WAR INFLICTING HEAVY LOSSES AND WHERE UKRAINE WAS DEFENDING AGAINST RUSSIAN INVASION FOR 8 YEARS to Russia saying that this wasn't Russia shooting down that plane. What the fuck, why do I need to explain this shit to you? I don't believe that Russia shot down that plane, but let's assume they did. Russia denying guilt IS NOT FUCKING THE SAME LEVEL OF LIES AS INVENTING A NEW FUCKING REALITY. Even then Russia provided (some semblance of) proofs, they tried to defend themselves, they actually were doing a job of proving their innocence. Ukraine? TRUST ME BRO. THAT'S FUCKING IT.
WHY THE FUCK would I equate Russia and Ukraine sources in such a context? Are you really retards or are you pretending?
>>528224>Muh MI17>endless>not even RT/Sputnik/TASS, the main, serious and most reponsable. Cope faggot.
Listen, if you want to scream out of your loungs I fucking love ukraine, don't repress it.
>>528237ANDWHEREISTHIS+=RANDOM==
ANNOYMOUSPOSTERWASVINGHISFLAGRIGHTFUCKINGNOWand during the 8 years of shit on Donbas? where.
>>528154>I honestly feel bad for Zelensky. Why ?
>He came to power withHe was US puppet , installed in a color revolution
>but the Far Right cucked him. I'm pretty sure the U.S. were the only people protecting him from the NazisThe US was arming theses Nazis
>>528230Nazi on Nazi violence
>>528236It is known
>>528215You claimed Russian sources didn't lie, were showed they do indeed lie, and now you go by Ukrainians are worse anyway.
Here is some elementary logic for you.
Ukrainians coping and seething do not imply Russian outlets are automatically trustworthy.
Are there any good reporting sources? Like
https://twitter.com/CITeam_en but not verifying everything autistically thoroughly so I can see more happenings?
>>528263America didn't wait. The Russians are exercising plenty of restraint.
First night of strikes in Kiev, CNN were telling us they heard explosions and we just had to believe them like those ghost hunter shows. Compare to this.
>>528262Russia is not being imperialist. Russia has demanded Ukraine obey the agreements Ukraine already signed, pledge neutrality, disarm, and denazify.
NATO should never have put their toe over the red line, now they are going to feel what it's like to have their red lines toefucked.
The sovereignty of states cannot infringe on another states sovereignty. Sanctioning Russia for troop movements while the Ukraine requests NATO membership and nuclear missile bases with no other possible target than Russia is an aggression against Russia.
>>528226No, it's because rightoids are retarded contrarians and the contrarian position right now is to support Russia
That being said /pol/ is banning pro-Russian posters
>>528281Lol what. /Pol/ is filled with non pro Russia posters
No one is being banned
They hate Ukraine and want it erased
>>528261kek, that hitler chilling below makde me laugh.
>>528263>muh give timephagget. that's exactly what zelenski wants so Russians lost their patience and do that. And you will happily screm
REEEEE I WAS RIGHT, SEE. You are just like zelinski wanting more kills.
You deserve a ban for having a brain rot.
>>528270Wait he tried to debate the PM of Germany?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA breathes
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA >>528284>phagget. that's exactly what zelenski wants so Russians lost their patience and do that. And you will happily screm REEEEE I WAS RIGHT, SEE. You are just like zelinski wanting more kills.<The russians can NEVER choke, their army is the best there ever is, 1945 red army levels of compenetrated!Come american hours.
Come retard hours.
>>528293They aren't. Noone on /Pol/ likes Zelensky. Go browse the place, they love Putin and are cheering him on non stop
To then Ukraine is globohomo and led by a literal Jew
While Russia is fighting the NWO and protecting Christianity
>>528282Glad you agree with me, maybe you just misread my post and thought otherwise.
>>528287It is true.
>>528267>You claimed Russian sources didn't lie, were showed they do indeed lie, and now you go by Ukrainians are worse anyway.Are you an actual retard?
<Comapre Ukraine INVENTING FUCKING NEW REALITY WHERE IT'S WINNING THE WAR INFLICTING HEAVY LOSSES AND WHERE UKRAINE WAS DEFENDING AGAINST RUSSIAN INVASION FOR 8 YEARS to Russia saying that this wasn't Russia shooting down that plane. What the fuck, why do I need to explain this shit to you? I don't believe that Russia shot down that plane, but let's assume they did. Russia denying guilt IS NOT FUCKING THE SAME LEVEL OF LIES AS INVENTING A NEW FUCKING REALITY. Even then Russia provided (some semblance of) proofs, they tried to defend themselves, they actually were doing a job of proving their innocence. Ukraine? TRUST ME BRO. THAT'S FUCKING IT.And it started from this:
<No. Ukrainian sources are proven liars, while Russian sources are backed by real photos and videos. There's a qualitative difference hereYOU are the one moving goal posts here, as it turns out, not me. You just want to BOTH SIDES because you have no fucking spine of your own, only glowie propaganda instead of an opinion.
Woah, Russia shifting the blame with proofs (we don't even fucking know if it was Russia that shot down that plane, ffs) is totally the same as Ukraine claiming gazillion Russian dead! Woah, sources are totally equal in their strength of proof and presentation! Gotta use both sides, amirite?!?!?
NO, you moron, Russia by all metrics is a better source - when it's not talking about some warcrimes, anyway. And we were talking about this
>>528136 in the beginning. Why the fuck would ANYONE WITH A HEAD ON THEIR SHOULDERS believe that Russian tanks ran out of fuel and that Russian drivers are begging for fuel for their tanks? What level of naivety is that? Is this burger education at work?
>>528302>I am VenezuelanLast time I checked Venezuela is in america.
Point still stands.
>>528297Patriots.win and /Pol/ are ecstatic with what Putin is doing
To then this is fighting Klaus Schwab, new world order and all that
Their websites are filled with post shitting on Ukraine and praising putin
>>528306seethe.
>>528305you gotta be fucking kidding me with the sun.
>>528308>Russia shot down MH17 and its media did a massive amount of disinfo to cover it upOr it was a truth and you bought into western disinfo. Woah.
ANYWAY. again, you goddamn retard, don't you fucking see a QUALITATIVE difference between blame shifting and CLAIMING NEWS THAT DIDN'T EVEN FUCKING HAPPEN?
>>528288PM of Germany is too cowardly to debate a twitch streamer?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA breathes
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA >>528324Scholz is based as hell
t. CHen
>>528330Do you want three more months of this with a lot more children?
Ukraine isn't going to win this. The best they can do is delay and prolong the suffering. Russian paratroops are outside Kiev right now with armored forces coming in. What do you think is the route to the quickest resolution here?
>>528330and did you see the fucking children killed in DBR during the 8 years?
Why don't you go and overthrow your western government that gives support to zelinski so everything stops now?
no?
Don't care.
>>785739>>785739lol that fake ass shelling. Neat windows didn't explode.
>>528342I don't celebrate the killings of regular ukrainians, specially people that has nothing to win over this. If you put banderites with azov references, most welcome, but put a fucking spoiler.
>>528359He's probably false flagging and taking screenshots to post somewhere to say "look how ebil leftypol is celebrating death"
They might be on the wrong side of the conflict but anons should have some respect for the dead (unless they're with Azov).
>>528349Worry not comrade, France's nuclear plants are criminally under maintained because the privatized national electric company have completely gobbled up short terms profits approach so they'bound to blow up in a few decades at best.
Porky was the real posadist all along
>>528360If I was conscripted into this war on the Uke side I would be looking to desert and steal the gun at the first option or surrender. Not die like a dog for some ultranationalists.
Everyone dying in uniform at this point probably played some part in their own death.
>>528353The shit is more interesting. Plotnitsky, creator of LPR, believes that Maidan was orchestrated by evil Jewish cabal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_PlotnitskyIn 2021 both republics were declared "Русские национальные государства" which means "[Ethnic] Russian National States". But yeah, the Nazi guys are Ukrainians.
>>528348Source: Some shaking Ukrop in a bunker
Where's the fucking footage?
I have heard from reliable sources that the Russian Tanks have ran out of fuel (Russian troops are desperately searching for Gas cans due to their shitty logistics) and that is why Russia has failed to seize any Ukrainian cities along with suffering three times as many casualties as the Ukrainians, 🤣.
Honestly, If I was Biden, I would authorize a No-Fly Zone (enforced by F-35 and F-22 Stealth fighters) over Ukraine combined with a massive Air Campaign by B-2 Stealth Bombers, JASSM-ER ALCMs launched by B-1 and B-52 Bombers, and Tomahawk Cruise Missiles launched by Ships and Submarines against Russian Air Bases, Naval Bases and SAM sites, in order to force Putin to withdraw from Ukraine and ensure my reelection in 2024 (and Democrats significantly over performing in the 2022 Midterms) due to the “Rally around the Flag” effect. This is also a great outcome from a Maoist perspective, as the destruction of Russia’s Conventional Military would result in the collapse of the Capitalist, Imperialist, and Fascist state of Putinist Russia, which in the subsequent chaos would finally allow the Workers and Oppressed Nations of Russia to wage a Protracted People’s War to reestablish the USSR, thus putting the World on the Shining Path to Communism!
>>528366>Even Azov had like 15-20% nazi presence>annarco-communists not knowing nazi apologiaI am not sure what you are trying to get, but you only caused that I puke seeing anarcho-communists now. And that's not fair, because we have based an-comms here.
>>528383boy, you've been here forever trying to discredit DBR. Don't you get tired? guess we won't have a comunist revolution soo in your country thanks to you.
>>528385Yeah, so just we're aware, there are bad people on the DPR side too.
I personally hope they and Azov whittle each other down and maybe they'll get into fights with the Chechens when this is over.
>>528377>from the 90stito gulag'd all the chetniks that didn't escape what are you talking about
there were no chetniks in the yugoslav people's army
>>528387of course the tard king schizo will follow the ukrainian narrative.
>>528395kek
>>528396mod can you tell?
>>528387MALD MALD MALD MALD MALD MALD MALD
you wrong bitch lmao
>>528423et tu kektus
>>528424>invading the country is wrong.>mwfRussia was left with no choices.
The whole post is a non-sequitur, you can hate ethnotationalism, but that doesn't mean Russia is wrong in what they did. The azovites were pawns that instigated the war? yes, perhaps. but zelinski can quit already and he is the one prolonging this so the west can enjoy seething about Russia.
>>528387>Russian Tanks have ran out of fuel this actually could be true
Russia is currently waging a Blitzkrieg in Ukraine and that's a common problem with this strategy since you are literally driving away from your supplies
the Nazis faced the same issue in France and the US during the Gulf War both armys ran out of fuel after 400 kilometers
>>528447Russians soldiers aren't terminally online mentally ill western faggots
they're utilizing some degree of opsec and, you know, professionalism
>>528457>>528458But wouldn't showing that they have "liberated" these areas be great propaganda, to boost morale at home and on the front?
>>528462Please source everything then. I've skimmed almost all Cuckraine Habbening threads and haven't seen anything of the sort.
>>528459>>528472 (me)
Germany?
Only source
>German lawmakers call on leader to cut Russia from vital SWIFT payments systemlawmaker/government
>>528465> The pro-Russian side consisted of police, entrepreneurs, politicians, and the military who sympathized with Russia, ordinary citizens frightened by fake news, various ultra-right indivisuals including Russian patriots and various types of monarchists, pro-Russian imperialists, the Task Force group “Rusich,” the PMC [Private Military Company] group “Wagner,” including the notorious neo-Nazi Alexei Milchakov, the recently deceased Egor Prosvirnin, the founder of the chauvinistic Russian nationalist media project “Sputnik and Pogrom,” and many others. There were also authoritarian leftists, who celebrate the USSR and its victory in the Second World War.But they are still good guys, right leftypol?
>>528478Poroshenko's mercs versus some other faction? Or Nazis vs government?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEemYjYRYsg Every oligarch/wannabe warlord that's chosen to stay behind probably has their own merc squad that's "officially" on the books as some national guard unit or another.
>>528493If you're on the fence you're on the side of the status quo, and the status quo is unipolar world order and every western normie being bombarded by the MSM propaganda machine being fully mobilized against "evil Russia"
Simple facts.
>>528497This is fake news to me. Only forbes posted this, no link to public statements. It i not like forbes haven't been caught since the beginning on this conflict.
Either way, Russia/China trade in Yuan and another common currency with Pakistan from years ago.
>>528516You know tbat russia could have just put bases on the donbass and be done with it? If the ukrainians shell them, that's a declaration of war in on itself.
Despite this, Putin has decided to go full retarded and try to take Kiev.
>>52852516 is actually a conservative age of consent in Europe btw.
The only country with 18+ in european soil is turkey lmao
>>528537You are. The recognition came
after the false flag and renewed shelling.
>>528535this anti-nationalism talking point is exactly the same argument he makes. maybe you absorbed it through osmosis from spending to much time on fbi.gov.
nationalism is good.
>>528534At least at that time you would be the defender. Better PR than straight out fucking invade the whole of it because of decommunization.
If that was the case everyone in this board would be onboard in Russia's side, but no.
>>528544kek
Show yourself, Leninhat.
>>528521idk what the fuck is going on with eastern european anarchists
they're knowingly and willingly support reactionary causes cause "there is no alternative"
western anarchists at least cooperate with the so called "authoritarian" communists if it's beneficial to the movement
>>528540Sorry, I do not understand the contradiction. There was a period during which both of these are the case, yes?
(1) Russia recognizes DPR/LPR
(2) Ukraine shells regions over which DPR/LPR make claims
Of course, it is possible that (1) happens in the middle of (2). But whatever way the precedence proceeds I do not understand the necessity of earlier anon's suggestion for Russia to establish bases in the region.
>>528549>being a defender against artillery barrages>muh PRLibshit obsession with optics is fucking cringe.
>>528551He got himself banned
>>528543Yeah it's true, anarchists fought during Euromaidan and when the war in the east began they went there and joined militias. There was even training sessions from the right sector were antifascists went, nationalism will do the strangest thing to people. But it was really a little phenomenon, a few people, most distanced themselves and there was one who turned fasicst I believe.
Source: Am an anarchist who read the stuff
>>528565 (me)
To add to this Ukrainian anarchists were divided about what to do in case of Russian invasion because they really don't want to be affiliated to the state or NATO but a faction did say they were gonna be fighting because Kropotkinian positions basically, enemy state worse than home state.
>>528568Has anyone obsessed with optics not been a liberal?
I'm sure the actual physicists in the field of optics are very diverse, as are telescopic sights enthusiasts.
>>528497What the fuck did you just fucking say about China, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the 中国人民解放军特种部队, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on the India border, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire 中国人民解放军. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across 中国 and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the 中国人民解放军海军陆战队 and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
>>528528>>528533lmao, are you in berserk mode samefagging?
>>528534We have a hiiiuuuuge amount of tards flocking here.
>>528549
>invade the whole of it because of decommunization.>implying wasn't a mock of what Ukrainians did.>not de-nazification, which is when they are actually serious. >>528582Do they, at least, provide an
unreliable source, /pol/yp?
>>528576>Having people rally against your cause because you're too trigger happy is not a bad thing.>The shilling we see nowadays would have the same effect if the ukrainians were considered the attackers.Not saying there would be less shilling, but opinion is important and you don't want the enemy country to actually rally against you (and this is not only for Ukraine, is for all of NATO, you had a great opportunity to break NATO from the inside but decided to pull the trigger instead of waiting one day more for Azov fucks to shell the defensive bases, a fucking perfect casus belli, not only for outside, but for inside as well).
You're retarded and should be banned for it.
>>528578>>528117
>[…]After Askold Lozynskyj became the president of the UWC in addition to the Ukrainian Congress Committee of America (UCCA)—taken over by the “Liberation Front” in 1980—the conservative Ukrainian American columnist Myron Kuropas, who himself used to be associated with a rival faction of the OUN, opined that Lozynskyj is “someone I have known (and disagreed with) for decades. He is bright, brash, articulate (often given to demagoguery), thoroughly bilingual and dynamic. I have watched him mature over the years from a firebrand Banderite to a more nuanced Banderite.” Over twenty years later, Kuropas has said, “In retrospect I don't see Askold maturing for the better politically. He seems to still follow Bandera's dictum that ‘those who are not with us are against us.’ He still seems to push for OUN-B domination of the Ukrainian American community.” Of course, the transnational OUN-B’s goals extend far beyond the United States, but the Ukrainian American community and its allies in Washington are an important asset for the Bandera cultists in their perpetual struggle to take over Ukraine.
>Ever since Canadian Banderites succeeded Lozynskyj as the presidents of the UWC and ICSU in 2008 and 2013, respectively, both international organizations have been headquartered in Toronto. Eugene Czolij, former president of the OUN-B’s international Ukrainian Youth Association (Спілка української молоді, CYM) and more recently the Ukrainian Canadian Congress (UCC), became the new president of the UWC in 2008. He was succeeded by Paul Grod, another UCC leader and fellow “CYMivtsi,” in 2018.
>Those “elections” to the World Congress saw Stefan Romaniw, longtime chairman of the Australian Federation of Ukrainian Organizations and former CYM leader in Australia, named general secretary and then first vice president of the UWC. In 2009, the year Romaniw became the new global OUN-B leader, he spoke at an event at Stepan Bandera’s grave in Munich honoring that year as the 100th anniversary of his birth, as did Lozynskyj and Czolij. Three years later in Munich, Czolij addressed an ICSU conference, held in part to honor the belated 100th birthday of the late Yaroslav Stetsko—Bandera’s deputy, ideologist, and successor, who was likewise a fascist war criminal, Nazi collaborator, and anti-Semite.
>After the 2013-14 “Euromaidan” (aka the “Revolution of Dignity”) in Kyiv, Russia’s annexation of Crimea, and the spark of an armed conflict in eastern Ukraine between the new Western-backed Ukrainian government and Russian-backed separatists in the Donbas, the Atlantic Council launched its Ukraine in Europe Initiative following a visit to the United States by Arseniy Yatsenyuk, the new Prime Minister of Ukraine. Part of that initiative included the AC’s “UkraineAlert” newsletter, for which Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty’s Irena Chalupa shortly became a leading contributor. Although she briefly conceded in an article that year that Bandera collaborated with Nazi Germany, Chalupa has apparently never publicly acknowledged that before her stint with the US broadcaster RFE/RL, she worked for Stetsko in the OUN-B’s Cold War-era international headquarters building in Munich.[…]https://banderalobby.substack.com/p/bandera-and-the-atlantic-council >>528553Anarchists are a joke internationally at this point. Don't you fucking dare try to hide behind cooperation with western communists when you're some of the biggest agents of slander against communist countries in the west. You wage war against us everywhere.
All of you cunts should be ashamed of how absolutely pathetic and traitorous you are.
>>528606>>528553 (me)
I'm not an Anarchist but since I'm doing union organizing I'm working with anarchists all the fucking time and I have a lot of respect for them.
>>528588>you had a great opportunity to break NATO from the inside but decided to pull the trigger instead of waiting one day more for Azov fucks to shell the defensive basesNTA, but Russia was preparing to act in a larger conflict, in Syria.
Now that Syria hold relatively well its land by themselves it was for Russia to take action.
That anon's point stands still: You are a retard in geopolitics.
>>528468https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1915/mar/x01.htm
>This conclusion is either naïve childishness or crass sophistry, since it boils down to the following: since, in 1859, Marx was working on the problem of the desirability of success for which particular bourgeoisie, we, over half a century later, must solve the problem in exactly the same way.>Potresov has failed to notice that, to Marx in 1859 (as well as in a number of later cases), the question of “the success of which side is more desirable” meant asking “the success of which bourgeoisie is more desirable”. Potresov has failed to notice that Marx was working on the problem at a time when there existed indubitably progressive bourgeois movements, which moreover did not merely exist, but were in the forefront of the historical process in the leading states of Europe. Today, it would be ridiculous even to imagine a progressive bourgeoisie, a progressive bourgeois movement, in, for instance, such key members of the “Concert” of Europe, as Britain and Germany. The old bourgeois “democracy” of these two key states has turned reactionary. Potresov has “forgotten” this, and has substituted the standpoint of the old (bourgeois) so-called democracy for that of present-day (non-bourgeois) democracy. This shift to the standpoint of another class, and moreover of an old and outmoded class, is sheer opportunism. There cannot be the least doubt that a shift like this cannot be justified by an analysis of the objective content of the historical process in the old and the new epochs.
>Potresov drags present-day democracy backwards, not “in a certain sense” but in all senses; he drags it back to the slogans and the ideology of the old bourgeois democracy, to the dependence of the masses upon the bourgeoisie. . . . Marx’s method consists, first of all, in taking due account of the objective content of a historical process at a given moment, in definite and concrete conditions; this in order to realise, in the first place, the movement of which class is the mainspring of the progress possible in those concrete conditions. In 1859, it was not imperialism that comprised the objective content of the historical process in continental Europe, but national-bourgeois movements for liberation. The mainspring was the movement of the bourgeoisie against the feudal and absolutist forces. Fifty-five years later, when the place of the old and reactionary feudal lords has been taken by the not unsimilar finance capital tycoons of the decrepit bourgeoisie, the knowledgeable Potresov is out to appraise international conflicts from the standpoint of the bourgeoisie, not of the new class.READ LENIN YOU FUCKS
>>528608Seriously, there are shills saying Putin has troops in civilian clothing in command of Ukrainian stolen tanks in the middle of fucking Kiev, it's ridiculous.
Information society will be killed by disinformation one day.
>>528625Eh that's probably a false report.
>>>786104>Russian S400I am not a mil expert but I do not expect Russia to have any S400s in Ukraine. That's an incredibly valuable system and honestly Russia seems to have withheld a lot of the good stuff.
>>528647 (me)
Correction
>martyrs who will always inspire people to rise up and win in the end. Idealistic Reddit lib garbage, basically. >>528625old. and they don't need to put them in the kyev outskirts, their S-400 can fuck them hundreds of kilometers outside Ukraine.
>>528636SABOTARD THE LEAFTLETS WHERE ARE THEY WHERE'S YOUR PRAXIS IN CANADA kek did you sleep already enough for for more cope and autism from your side during the next 24 hours or will you hide your flag.
>>528662yes
what's your fucking point?
>>528655You are becoming a laughing stock day by day, but all you ever do is post "Ukraine. Spain. Poland. Epic win total annihilation. I did nothing wrong".
Everyone hates you. This argument started because everyone in Eastern Europe realized you're a bunch of western shills, then you tried saying that actually western communists love us, but we don't, we hate you. We've constantly opened up lines of communication to you over the years, but you don't know how to do anything but wreck.
>>528661Very true, unfortunately the Americans will still act as if they nuked Kiev.
I feel sorry for people who get their news from corporate propaganda (see picrel) instead of dudes like this and Comrade Texas.
>>528637This.
Even a Russian/Putinist dystopia would be much better than the current dystopia, at least it would be less clown world-ly
>>528694Okay and? An overreach on shooting traitors doesn't excuse your guys constantly legitimizing US narratives and joining a Nazi militia. You are bringing up things you weren't even involved in, to distract from the actions of things you are currently involved in.
Explain why you are bringing up inter-ML fighting 100 years ago to justify joining a Nazi militia in 2022.
>>528680>obsessed lolhe was the one who replied to me.
Mi 24 destoys Ukrainian equipment.
>>528683Good, hopefully you will post pictures. And yes, it was a mock (the de-communistfication)
Anyway. The Mi 24 hind destroying some ukainian military equipment.
>>528695If he capitulates the west will merc him, if he doesn't Russia will.
And Zelenskyy has decreed that no male 18-60yo is allowed to leave the country(and started forced conscription), so if he starts fleeing east, hoping to jam the Russian war machine with every Ukranian body in-between, the optics for NATO get atrocious as literally everyone will flee the country(and fight the border guards) if they can, or turn to Russia's side if they can't.
>>528500>>528506>>528510>>528517>UMM MUH PRODUCTIVE FORCES SWEETY.The USSR stopped India from getting sanctioned into non-existence by westoids during 71' by vetoing the UN.
There is literally no reason for China not to veto UN sanctions.
They already fucked up by refusing to veto the sanctions on the DPRK
>>528497China doesn't enforce those sanctions, the US does from the Fed in New York. Chinese banks, and no banks in the world, are able to do transactions in USD with sanctioned entities, and attempting to do so will result in the entire bank being sanctioned. Chinese banks CANNOT thwart US sanctions in this way, because they are not the originator of sanctions or the ultimate enforcer of them.
What they can do is provide alternative means of financing that are settled in other currencies. And that is precisely what they are doing. I don't really appreciate this kind of fake news coming from a leftist frame. China and Russia are not necessarily pals, but if the US says you cannot use USD, you cannot. Period. That is just how the plumbing works.
>>528716Putin gang all the way
fuck libs
>>528710Okay, you just brought it up as a joke, but remember at this point in heightened tensions that those on our side are starting to get very suspicious of the regularity that anarchists insult communists, so when you try and retreat from one area you've lost to another, don't expect a warm welcome. You will never find an ML talking down an anarchist territory, like Makhnovschina, despite the rudimentary bandit economy, widespread sexual abuse, and the warcrimes committed there. We are not unaware of these actions we just don't report on other anti-capitalists.
Remember that when the DDR was still around, the Stasi and the FDR anarchists would use the wall to protect anarchism, we also mostly looked out for you in the Spanish civil war as well. We are two ideologies joined at the hip, but continued actions like joining Right Sector, parroting state department propaganda, and slandering AES will result in a permanent split.
The communist and the anarchist are historically friends, but if they want us to go so much they'll be shocked to learn they're the people that normally go first. Make sure your friends know this, it's no use just you hearing the situation you are in.
>>528730>Not only is it true, but the UN resolution condemning Russia passed with China abstaining. The only problem is that Russia vetoed it. China is pro-China, not anti-America. China will back the US when it pleases it, and will back its own interests first. Russia is alone in this, and even Russians do not like what Putin has done. It's time to bring those boys home. They do not need to die in a foreign country for some stupid ideas that do not help their people. Politicians everywhere need to stop wiping their ass with the death certificates of soldiers.It is false, because China CANNOT CLEAR USD TRANSACTIONS. That can only be done by the US. Chinese banks have merely announced that sanctioned entities will have to use alternative currencies. This is not a decision or a declaration of intent, it is just the opposite side of the coin of US sanctions declarations, because China cannot avoid them in the same way that a cause has an effect. If there was not this ongoing psyop, it would not even be notable.
Additionally, China vetoing the UN resolution would have no effect because Russia was guaranteed to veto it. Vote for abstention is just a diplomatic gesture, joined by India (and the UAE).
>>528739>I learn that for a lot of online leftists, there is no pro position; it's always anti. So they are anti-America, and that is the whole of their knowledge of international politics. Do not despair, just go outside.I don't want to depress you my dude, but my multi decade experience with huge swath of "irl" "left" "organisations" that operate in western countries showed me that this is just as true of them as it is of the terminally online people who are here.
there are no real leftists in the west, only larpers, liberals and rapists.
>>528723Only pseudo leftists are arguing that.
Evidently Ukraine is a NATO puppet and Russia invading is a shit situation.
NATO needs to be dissolved, everything else is just noise.
>>528723Yeah, I agree. I think we're doomed but nobody wants to hear it and it doesn't do anyone any good to say it. I'm going to join a militia in my local CP and hopefully I'll die in some war.
I couldn't be bothered picking a better picture.
>>528723Correct.
(Some) People here think that multipolarity will solve everything and socialist states will start popping out just by magic.
They do not realize unipolarity was just the first layer, now there's many more to delve on.
>>528776Literally who is saying that.
You just invented that to feel smarter.
>>528758Bait, but
it is funny how the pattern doesn't click in the public despite propaganda dancing very small circles around it.
Curiously, when NATO decides to expand to a country near Russia, that country develops territorial disputes.
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>>528780I'm going to throw my life away for a dying ideology under the banner of a communist party infested with nepotists and bureaucrats for no reason other than ideology. May god have mercy on my soul.
When the world collapses I'm going to become a war criminal.
>>528778<Who A good chunk of people either thinks it or thinks something very close to it.
Even if the phraseology is (willingly) exaggerated the point still stands.
>>528794There are ideological wars always happening. This war started as a communist and nazbol uprising against Urkops. The SDF were once the PKK, a force that wanted to destroy global capitalism.
One day the final mushroom cloud will dominate the sky, then it's our time. Earth is not yet lost.
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