No.528044
>>528042biggest cope ever
No.528047
>>785331
lmao
No.528048
>>528043His smile and optimism: gone
No.528051
>>528049Is that the one from the Muppets? lmao
No.528052
Just look what kind of people are supporting what and then picksides.
No.528057
>>528048that's what happens when you turbocuck for imperialism and then they throw you and your country under the bus when they're done using you.
No.528059
>>528046trips of truth tbh
No.528061
>>528046Do you also find it hilarious that the "ukrainians are nazis" people essentially think like the nazies too? Their logic literally is that nazism somehow comes from nationality. I'm pretty sure it's the same people who call western germany facist, even though right wing has much bigger support in eastern germany than it does in the west.
No.528062
>>528054>Seize all propertyWtf based
No.528063
>>528054Kek mask off
What about the heckin private propertarino?
No.528065
ministry of defence of ukraine resorting to uploading video game footage with added voice overlays and cropped aspect ratio to make them look like cellphone videos
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1497170325162934272 No.528066
>>785352
Spoiler that shit jewish nigger
No.528067
>>785352
Why are all the videos and pictures I am seeing are all Ukrainian kills or captures, but Russia is apparently winning? Is this glow shit?
No.528069
>>528052>supporting Russia>incels>supporting Ukraine>incels>Neutral>incelsUwa…
No.528071
>>528058Let's be honest, Rittenhouse would be an Azovite.
And if they let Breivik and Tarrant out of jail with a one way ticket to any city, they'd go join up with Azov to get buttfucked by Chechens.
No.528073
>>528060>Annual Bandera readings is taking place in Kyiv at the Maydan Museum. This year’s event is dedicated to «World of Stepan Bandera ideas and modern challenges». The main ideas of WWII Ukrainian ultranationalist Stepan Bandera was the ethnic cleansing of Poles and murder of Jews.Oh my god
No.528074
>>528068Cope. You people are literally dellusional. Fascism is essentially a meaningless word because of you.
No.528075
>>528058Incredibly harrowing pictures.
No.528076
>>785352
Fuck i'd hate to die in that position
No.528077
>>528070this chad is the Lenin of liberal gamers
No.528079
>>785352
>the ground fades from asphalt, to blood, to snow
No.528080
>>528042Great man theory cope. Even the most skilled lone pilots get taken down when outnumbered by organized jet fighter formations.
No.528081
>>528067That's Kharkiv, being contested, ofc they will have cassualties, but their bulk equipment is destroyed. They will rely on guerrilla warfare techniques.
Chechens are better than anyone, but perhaps got bad luck.
No.528082
>>528046Based truth poster.
No.528083
>SuccDem Agent Kochinskioid bugmen raiding the thread
Cringe.
No.528084
Has Zelensky surrendered yet? How many Ukrainians and Russians have to die for peace talks to commence?
No.528085
>>528067Russians don't feel the need to post every squad they kill to feel good about themselves.
No.528088
This conflict will be over soon. There will be another major offensive, Kiev will be captured, and Zelensky will negotiate a peace treaty with Russia, likely recognizing independence of eastern puppet republics, demilitarization, and a promise to stay out of NATO.
No.528089
Is Zelensky actually there or is it another war myth like the fighter pilot with 20 kills and the 4000 dead Russians?
No.528090
>>528058The new Nazi aesthetic: Facial tattoos and an AK74
No.528092
>>528088"demilitarization" will probably involve putting down an insurgency
No.528093
>>528086this guy is happier than anyone about a habbening that might possibly overshadow his clusterfuck of a presidency. First Trump now this, we may see the full rehabilitation of Bush
No.528095
>>528061Ukrainians are good people, their government is a bunch of faggots and incorporates a large, armed neonazi current into their armed forces.
If you support the Ukrainian people and not Nazis, you'll be cheering for Kiev to be taken so as few Ukrainians as possible die.
No.528096
>>528086Based heckin' anti-imperialist?
>>528091Berlin wasn't capture in one day.
No.528097
>>528086*ignores Yugoslavia*
No.528098
I thought it was the Ukrainians who were conscripted and Russian military are volunteer force.
No.528102
>>528098This responding to this >>785422
No.528104
>>528088lol you think NATO will sit on their hands? They won't want to appear weak and the US needs a new war. The ball is rolling now and this ain't gonna stop.
No.528105
>>528100It's a bit past that now, the Ukrainian state itself is done. There's no way it's being allowed to exist in its current form.
No.528106
>>528043I almost feel pity for him but he must understand the position his country is in and the full ramifications of his actions.
Don't get me wrong, what Russia is doing is absolutely horrendous, but Zelensky had multiple opportunities to negotiate a peaceful resolution. He got played by NATO, abandoned, and is still doubling down. The best course of action is to surrender completely and unconditionally.
What a fucking shit show. Reminder this is 100% United State's fault.
No.528107
>>528095You need to learn to spot liberal glowies. He is trying to argue that West Germany was never full of Nazis because AFD is popular in East Germany (since the Wessis annexed it). They only post here when something is going on so they are only here to derail. Just insult them and don't get roped into their derailing.
No.528109
>>528061only a minority are nazis, but there is real historical precedent for their outsized influence:
>>528060 No.528111
>>528058I think Zelenksy's decision to arm civilians will be the only thing he criticized for. But we will see.
No.528114
>>528100They'd also have to give up claims on Crimea which seem unlikely, and it'd be in Russias interest to continue the conflict anyway to maintain the status quo. iirc simply being in a conflict is enough to preclude entry into NATO
No.528116
>>528110That's a very conservative map.
No.528117
>>528074>The Atlantic Council (AC), the “semi-official think tank of NATO” that has championed a new Cold War with Russia, is well known for influence peddling. The Council has been connected to several Ukrainian oligarchs, namely Victor Pinchuk, who founded the Yalta European Strategy (YES) conference in 2004 to promote Ukraine’s membership in the European Union; Rinat Akhmetov, formerly the chief financial backer of the pro-Russian president Viktor Yanukovych, chased from Ukraine by protests hijacked by the far-right and triggered by his decision not to sign an association agreement with the EU in 2013; and Mykola Zlochevsky, the founder and president of Burisma Holdings, the Ukrainian gas company that Hunter Biden infamously joined the board of soon after Yanukovych’s government was swept from power in 2014.
>Also evidently attempting to influence the United States government’s Ukraine policy via the Atlantic Council is what remains of the WW2-era pro-Nazi Ukrainian fascist leader Stepan Bandera’s postwar transnational underground network. Relatively few seem to realize, let alone appreciate, the extent to which the crypto-fascist Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists-Bandera (OUN-B) operates in 21st century Ukraine and especially the Ukrainian diaspora. Bandera’s sworn followers above all appear to exert influence in the Atlantic Council via the Center for US-Ukrainain Relations, more than likely an OUN-B front, and the Banderite-led Ukrainian World Congress, which officially partnered with the Atlantic Council in 2014 to implement the latter’s “Ukraine in Europe Initiative.”
>The CIA didn’t back Bandera, but nevertheless whitewashed his wartime followers and helped facilitate, if only indirectly, his cultish supporters’ takeover of the Ukrainian diaspora during the Cold War via the OUN-B’s Organizations of the Ukrainian Liberation Front. This postwar coalition of Banderite NGOs formally united internationally as the World Ukrainian Liberation Front after the 1967 creation of the World Congress of Free Ukrainians, what is now called the Ukrainian World Congress (UWC). The “Liberation Front,” which is today technically a member of the UWC, has adopted numerous names after the collapse of the Soviet Union, including the Organizations of the Ukrainian State Front, the Coordination Council of State Organizations in Ukraine, and the World Conference of Ukrainian State Organizations, but these days it is best known in English as the International Council in Support of Ukraine (ICSU).
>In the meantime, the Banderites have led the Ukrainian World Congress at least since 1998, when Askold Lozynskyj, a conniving attorney and OUN-B operative in the US for the past several decades, became its leader. After his 10-year term as UWC president ended in 2008, he became the chairman of the ICSU, the global coordinating body of OUN-B affiliated NGOs, which are also UWC members. “There isn't a politician in the United States,” Lozynskyj declared in 1997, “who will ignore or would ignore the Ukrainian American community or the issues which the Ukrainian community holds dear.” That has only become more true, but few if any US politicians appear to be cognizant of the Banderites’ co-opting of the organized Ukrainian American community.[…] https://banderalobby.substack.com/p/bandera-and-the-atlantic-council No.528121
>>528116Maybe, but it also seems about right based on the reports we're hearing no? Fighting in Kiev, Kharkov, Mariupol and Kherson.
No.528122
>>528095The problem is, this is an idealism take. Those who hold violence will submit their people to it. That's why to win over nazi Germany took to take until the last piece of land.
>>528049WHOLESOME
No.528125
>>528095Exactly. What the Ukrainian government has done to its people at the behest of United States is extremely reprehensible. What Russia is doing, because of legitimate concerns for its safety, is absolutely horrific.
Ukraine must surrender. There is no pride in being cannon fodder.
Again, remember that Ukrainians are dying because the US is playing geopolitical chess. They can stop this at any point.
No.528126
>>528124Master Chief is the supersoldier the USA wish they had
No.528128
>>528110Why is there nothing happening in Donbass?
No.528129
>>528110Cheek clapper battalion being deployed
TWENTY EIGHT CHECHEN MARINES
COMING TO FUCK AZOV'S BUTT
No.528130
>>528121It should probably have the entire border joined in red, but maybe they are exclusively using the red areas to represent something else.
No.528131
>>528108Didn't Russia already blocked the UNSC meeting? lol
No.528132
To what extent will Putin defang Ukraine? Obviously they're not getting Donbas or Crimea back.
Westerners say they will take up to Dnieper in order to make up for the losses from splitting with the west. Others think they'll be taking everything up to Poland.
Pro-Russian analysts are more conservative, at most claiming that Kharkov and Odessa will be seized, with the state of Ukraine mostly remaining but with a castrated government.
No.528135
>>528128Donbass is where the shit is going down, where Ukraine deployed their hardest forces plus Azov, and is where the dudes from the Kherson front are rushing to hammer and anvil them.
Notice that Russian troops don't care about being filmed and are pretty chill in most places? And how there also happens to be nothing being filmed in Donbass?
Yeah…
No.528136
Someone is saying that Russian tanks have run out of fuel north of kyiv and are now walking around looking for diesel. Funny if true.
https://twitter.com/expatua/status/1497333031924862979?s=21 No.528137
>>528132Military Junta in charge associated with Russia closely. Maybe joint bases, I dunno. Nazis get out, if sanctions hit too hard, Russia appropriates American/European assets in Ukraine.
No.528138
>>528136It's Ukraine sources. Come on now.
No.528139
>>528095I can't be for it, because Putin is no way better than them. Both are nationalistic dictatorships which don't care about anything but keeping up their riches. I won't play these dumb word games here and pretend one sides is good.
>>528107So being glowie means be against unecessary deaths and invasions of nations? And I'm not denying there were no nazies in west germany. I'm taking the view that being a fascist is something that can take place in any part of the world, and in ways that are meaningful, west germany was way more succesful in destroying it's nazi past than the east ever was like can be seen today. The worst way to defeat fascism is by making borders and building surveilance states. Which is what east germany did.
No.528140
I'm looking for a good summary and take regarding the situation.
I saw a substack link some threads ago, but closed it and lost the link. Also a translated write up by some Russian communist.
If anyone has anything, please share.
No.528141
>>785486
Хватит нытья
No.528142
>>528138>It's Ukraine source come onLol Russia sources are regularly posted here and Russia employed people
People are allowed to post both
No.528143
>>785352
There is no snow in Ukraine, it's all fake
No.528145
>>528142No. Ukrainian sources are proven liars, while Russian sources are backed by real photos and videos. There's a qualitative difference here
No.528147
>>528117Thank you comrade.
No.528148
>>528145There's been so many lies posted by Russian media and sources thru this and fake videos and fake photos
No.528149
>>528077did not knew chads where justs cucks with non arguments, but expecting what of gamers.
No.528150
>>528142I agree on paper, but it's been a constant trend of Ukraine claiming the most imaginary things (1,000+ casualties, etc).
Russian reports aren't accurate and some of it is definitely bullshit, but it's easier to sort through the bullshit.
No.528151
>>528145Russian sources constantly lie lol. They basically invented the use of flight sim game footage to fake plane attacking stuff a decade ago.
No.528154
>>528106I honestly feel bad for Zelensky. He came to power with +70% of the vote on the promises of bringing peace, but the Far Right cucked him. I'm pretty sure the U.S. were the only people protecting him from the Nazis, so he had no choice but to do their bidding.
No.528155
>>528145holy shit, some of you are so desperate to avoid "muh both sides" when it's the truth. this is normal behavior from any state, they will downplay casualties and overstate the reported enemy losses.
No.528156
>>528142We avoid posting them as factual, and all posts should be tagged as such, IMO. They have proven being wrong again and again and again.
No.528157
>>528140>I saw a substack link some threads ago, but closed it and lost the linkThis?
https://nonzero.substack.com/p/why-biden-didnt-negotiate-seriously No.528158
>>528091You are not a bro to me, nazi scum.
No.528160
>>528122Once central command is cut off, any remaining forces are going to be disorganized. Especially if they force Zelensky to announce a televised surrender. Half the troops might obey his orders to stand down, some might desert, etc. It'll just be mop up.
No.528161
>>528134India abstaining is big from a US point of view, but I doubt anyone else really cares. It fucks up the "Quad" and makes it harder to use this war to diplomatically isolate China.
No.528164
>>528052>On the side of RussiaFox News, Donald Trump, american fascists, Russian fascists
>On the side of UkraineUkrainian fascists, liberals, reddit, nearly ever sovereign nation
I'm sticking with neutrality and anti-conflict.
No.528165
>>528155Stop acting like the majority of leftypol are psychotic Russiaboos. The majority of us don't care for this war and want peace to come immediately despite the memeing. The few reactionary Russiaboos are just vocally loud compared to the rest of the level headed majority in here.
No.528167
>>528156In fact I want people to disclaim "funded by the Russian government" in itg when they post videos and tweets of caleb maupin
No.528168
>>528148>>528151Show those lies, I dare you.
>>528155Well then, how come Russian sources don't lie? Well, they don't lie so fucking brazenly like: GHOST OF KIEV, CLAIMING THAT THERE ARE SABOTEURS IN UKR CLOTHES, THAT THEY KILL 2800 RUSSIAN TROOPS, 100 TANKS ETC, ABOUT TAKING OBJECTIVES, and so on and so forth. I fucking dare you to find Russia like like this
No.528171
>>785523
Tonight! And tomorrow night! And the next night, and the next night… and the next….
No.528172
>>528162Yes it's like George W Bush said, you are with us or against us!
No.528173
>>528166Where did I say silent? It's just that the level headed analysis is not as loud as singing Putin's praise for everything he does.
No.528174
>>528152Yes, I know. Being a true man of the working class means cheering for authoritarian capitalist states invading other authoritarian capitalist states with only result being innocent lives being lost.
No.528176
>>528169Schizo Kautskyite.
No.528178
>>528157Yes! That's one of them. Was this the translated one?
No.528179
>>528125this is the most real take.
No.528181
>>528145Russian sources said there wouldn't be an invasion and military forces were just a military exercise. That was days ago. You can't possibly say they don't lie
No.528183
al Jazeera's reporting that russia is actually stalling out and taking heavy casualties; what the fuck does russia look like if they come away from this losing? I think this might be the worst case scenario - the US/EU could gorge itself on russian resources, keeping this fucking charade running for who knows how many years, and Russia could be returned to the early 90s.
No.528184
>>528180I should go to ukraine just to see if I can get a bunch of guns and then flee with them.
No.528185
The biggest socialist revolutions in history occurred after WW1 and WW2. Perpetual global neoliberal peace only serves to suppress the socialist movement.
No.528188
https://www.facebook.com/CinCAFU/posts/255960156699477Ukrainian anti-air shot down IL-76 with Revenge paratroopers. That's revenge for Luhansk-2014
No.528189
>>528088The real position here would be to to hope the batlle keeps on protracted, to the point that it's incredibly costly to keep on going every step in the way. Only then, Revolutionary Defeatism would mean anything in russia
No.528190
>>528187 (checked)
Old video
No.528191
>>528180uh this proves my point retard?
No.528192
>>528184Ukrainians make $4k in a good year. Probably could by tons of full autos for pennies there.
No.528194
>>528188> with Revengewith Russian
No.528196
>>528183I guess you can think about that. It's not going to happen though.
No.528197
>>528193wtf based zelensky?!
No.528198
Let's settle this and see what leftypol thinks, by breakdown
https://www.strawpoll.me/45974685 No.528199
still waiting on the reaction compilation
No.528201
>>528182>mh17AHAHAHA
What a fucking clown you are. I dared you, and you failed to show any actual proof.
>>528181They were saying truth in this regard for MONTHS, ffs, while US was screeching incessantly about an invasion any day now. Again, you are fucking wrong here.
And EVEN THEN when we look at situation Ukrainian lies are EVERYWHERE. GHOST OF MOTHERFUCKING KIEV, you retards. Where's Russia's analog of bullshittery like that? What the fuck is wrong with your brains, you dumb fucks?
No.528204
>>528199Be the change you want to see in the world Anon
No.528206
>>785572
I'm i becoming blind? I can't see no flag
No.528207
>>528206look i the middle of the crane
No.528209
>>785572
Glowie to glowie communication
Glowie to glowie soladarity
No.528210
>>528192If the Azovs are just handing them out like candy then it's a matter of just asking a bunch of recruiters for rifles and then leaving with them, it doesn't look like they're trying to control them in any way
No.528211
https://twitter.com/terror_alarm/status/1497061930229452823Lib pro-Ukraine propaganda is essentially pro-Russian propaganda for right wingers. Here they say that Russia is bringing back masculine patriarchy and Christendom.
No.528212
>>528151>Russian sources constantly lie lolProof of this endless fakes?
>They basically invented the use of flight sim game footage to fake plane attacking stuff a decade ago.And what has this anything to do with the reports during this time?
>>528202>muh pmcscope, ethernal anarchist.
Communists are fighting alongside the Russian army.
No communist fight alongside the ukrops.
No.528213
Maybe we could put together a /leftypol/ X /pol/ collab to find out where Zelensky is hiding and help Russia put a bullet on his head.
No.528214
>>528129CHECHENS IN THE SHOWERS AT VLAD'S RANCH
No.528215
>>528182>>528201>>528203>retardOh gee, do I need to explain the nuance to you? Comapre Ukraine INVENTING FUCKING NEW REALITY WHERE IT'S WINNING THE WAR INFLICTING HEAVY LOSSES AND WHERE UKRAINE WAS DEFENDING AGAINST RUSSIAN INVASION FOR 8 YEARS to Russia saying that this wasn't Russia shooting down that plane. What the fuck, why do I need to explain this shit to you? I don't believe that Russia shot down that plane, but let's assume they did. Russia denying guilt IS NOT FUCKING THE SAME LEVEL OF LIES AS INVENTING A NEW FUCKING REALITY. Even then Russia provided (some semblance of) proofs, they tried to defend themselves, they actually were doing a job of proving their innocence. Ukraine? TRUST ME BRO. THAT'S FUCKING IT.
WHY THE FUCK would I equate Russia and Ukraine sources in such a context? Are you really retards or are you pretending?
No.528216
>>528193Ukraine had massive LGBT pride rallies while Russia has laws allowing persecution for "homosexual propaganda". Probably the former will be a case no more after the occupation
No.528218
Zelensky via CNN:
>Our main goal is to finish this slaughter. Our enemy's losses are very grave.
??? kek
Meanwhile, also CNN:
>Kyiv expected to fall in the next couple days.
No.528219
I wonder how putin feels right now
No.528221
>>528217 i used to support Russia until the war crimes
No.528223
>>528216>gay Nazisno contradictions!
No.528224
>>528212>Proof of this endless fakes?https://www.theage.com.au/world/sensational-russian-photo-of-mh17-being-shot-debunked-by-citizen-journalist-group-20141115-11nbqs.html>And what has this anything to do with the reports during this time?The ghost pilot stuff is directly based on this kind of fakes.
No.528225
>>528186Underrated video.
No.528226
>>528216This is essentially why right wingers are near universally pro-Russia despite Ukraine's best efforts to appeal to them. Nazi battalions and claiming you're fighting crypto-Mongols simply doesn't make up for pride parades.
No.528227
>>528188And no footage whatsoever?
No.528230
>>528223Far-righters attack these rallies and are beaten by the police lol
No.528231
>>528221 this thread was propaganda
No.528232
>>528231 there are fucking war crimes
No.528234
>>528219Like a fucking alpha Chad that owned the libs perpetually.
No.528235
>>528191uh they are clearly against zelensky now retard?
No.528236
>>528223Nazis love homosexuality under the delusion of it being perverse.
No.528237
>>528212> Communists are fighting alongside the Russian army.You have them even on this site you moron
https://leftypol.org/draw/res/1.html#2108 No.528240
>>528224>Muh MI17>endless>not even RT/Sputnik/TASS, the main, serious and most reponsable. Cope faggot.
Listen, if you want to scream out of your loungs I fucking love ukraine, don't repress it.
No.528241
>>528238Everyone who thought the Bank thing was indicative of Chinese policy was retarded. The state banks uphold US dollar sanctions (a very specific thing) on their own officials in Hong Kong lmao
No.528242
>>528239noooooo you were supposed to love one side like a retarderinoooooo
No.528243
https://twitter.com/InfraHaz/status/1497343540011040770
>Germany has banned Haz's streams due to his pro-Russian stanceThe absolute state of "liberal" democracy. Can't wait to all the "free speech warriors" in the West to denounce this.
No.528245
>>528238This was 3 hours ago. During recent talks at UN, China pretty much didn't commit to anything.
No.528246
>>528242We all know which side you don't want people supporting. You'd love it if we all swallowed the NATO propaganda.
No.528248
==there are fucking war crimes=
No.528250
>>528221>>528232Counterpoint: You are dumb as hell and 14 years old
No.528251
>>528243lol at tweeting the PM
No.528253
>>528237ANDWHEREISTHIS+=RANDOM==
ANNOYMOUSPOSTERWASVINGHISFLAGRIGHTFUCKINGNOWand during the 8 years of shit on Donbas? where.
No.528254
>>528154>I honestly feel bad for Zelensky. Why ?
>He came to power withHe was US puppet , installed in a color revolution
>but the Far Right cucked him. I'm pretty sure the U.S. were the only people protecting him from the NazisThe US was arming theses Nazis
No.528255
>>528241China upholds sanctions in such a way that it very carefully puts itself in the middle of two economic worlds.
No.528257
>>528243based germany actually does denazification for once
No.528259
Guys putin kommited an warkrime on my keyboard
No.528260
HAWT TAKE:You don't have to like Putin, but you should absolutely despise post-maidan ukraine and ask for Zelensky's head.
No.528261
>>528230Nazi on Nazi violence
>>528236It is known
No.528262
>>528250 your dumb for to think another imperialist nation is anti imperialist
No.528263
>>528258give it time if the russians choke on conquering Kiev.
No.528264
>>528252>Ukrainian offensive in Luhanskthese guys looking to get encircled or what
No.528267
>>528215You claimed Russian sources didn't lie, were showed they do indeed lie, and now you go by Ukrainians are worse anyway.
Here is some elementary logic for you.
Ukrainians coping and seething do not imply Russian outlets are automatically trustworthy.
No.528268
>>528266>you must be anticommunistsorry nope
No.528269
>>528186he was right about everything
No.528271
Are there any good reporting sources? Like
https://twitter.com/CITeam_en but not verifying everything autistically thoroughly so I can see more happenings?
No.528272
=fuck Putin fuck Ukraine= fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine fuck Putin fuck Ukraine
No.528273
>>528266Texan praxis with huge praxis.
No.528274
>>528270well yeah that's someone who has narcissistic delusions of grandeur would think
No.528275
Based on all this flag waiving across the "international community" it looks like Ukraine has occupied half the planet.
No.528276
>>528272The centrists once again proving themselves to be the most mature and the most insightful.
No.528277
>>528273 no he is propaganda i believed him to
No.528278
>>528263America didn't wait. The Russians are exercising plenty of restraint.
First night of strikes in Kiev, CNN were telling us they heard explosions and we just had to believe them like those ghost hunter shows. Compare to this.
No.528280
>>528262Russia is not being imperialist. Russia has demanded Ukraine obey the agreements Ukraine already signed, pledge neutrality, disarm, and denazify.
NATO should never have put their toe over the red line, now they are going to feel what it's like to have their red lines toefucked.
The sovereignty of states cannot infringe on another states sovereignty. Sanctioning Russia for troop movements while the Ukraine requests NATO membership and nuclear missile bases with no other possible target than Russia is an aggression against Russia.
No.528281
>>528226No, it's because rightoids are retarded contrarians and the contrarian position right now is to support Russia
That being said /pol/ is banning pro-Russian posters
No.528282
>>528280>imperialism is when conquest and this is not conquestread lenin
No.528283
>>528281Lol what. /Pol/ is filled with non pro Russia posters
No one is being banned
They hate Ukraine and want it erased
No.528284
>>528261kek, that hitler chilling below makde me laugh.
>>528263>muh give timephagget. that's exactly what zelenski wants so Russians lost their patience and do that. And you will happily screm
REEEEE I WAS RIGHT, SEE. You are just like zelinski wanting more kills.
You deserve a ban for having a brain rot.
No.528285
>>528243>debate me bro (to german PM)
>ecelebs and take-havers who aren't russian or ukranian adding russian or ukrianian flags to their profiles to virtue signal.fucking cringe
No.528286
>>528283Non stop pro Russia*
No.528288
>>528270Wait he tried to debate the PM of Germany?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA breathes
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA No.528289
Something like 40k soldiers expected to converge on Kyiv tonight if I'm reading this correctly.
No.528290
>>528287 that is propaganda
No.528291
i want a hoi4 mod based on this conflict
No.528293
>>528283That's what I heard, mods are banning people posting pro-Russian stuff
No.528294
>>528284>phagget. that's exactly what zelenski wants so Russians lost their patience and do that. And you will happily screm REEEEE I WAS RIGHT, SEE. You are just like zelinski wanting more kills.<The russians can NEVER choke, their army is the best there ever is, 1945 red army levels of compenetrated!Come american hours.
Come retard hours.
No.528295
>>528288>>528285>>528270>>528251Someone comment that he's too cowardly to debate /leftypol/
No.528296
>>528229Lila Rose is a known grifter and hack.
No.528297
>>528293They aren't. Noone on /Pol/ likes Zelensky. Go browse the place, they love Putin and are cheering him on non stop
To then Ukraine is globohomo and led by a literal Jew
While Russia is fighting the NWO and protecting Christianity
No.528298
>>528282Glad you agree with me, maybe you just misread my post and thought otherwise.
>>528287It is true.
No.528299
>>528243>>528257I don't care about Haz but that's not ok. Haz has strange views but he's still some kind of Communist, capitalist governments silencing communists has to be counted as fascistic foreshadowing.
No.528300
i want no war coz suffer bad
i want long war coz war chances
what do
No.528301
>>528267>You claimed Russian sources didn't lie, were showed they do indeed lie, and now you go by Ukrainians are worse anyway.Are you an actual retard?
<Comapre Ukraine INVENTING FUCKING NEW REALITY WHERE IT'S WINNING THE WAR INFLICTING HEAVY LOSSES AND WHERE UKRAINE WAS DEFENDING AGAINST RUSSIAN INVASION FOR 8 YEARS to Russia saying that this wasn't Russia shooting down that plane. What the fuck, why do I need to explain this shit to you? I don't believe that Russia shot down that plane, but let's assume they did. Russia denying guilt IS NOT FUCKING THE SAME LEVEL OF LIES AS INVENTING A NEW FUCKING REALITY. Even then Russia provided (some semblance of) proofs, they tried to defend themselves, they actually were doing a job of proving their innocence. Ukraine? TRUST ME BRO. THAT'S FUCKING IT.And it started from this:
<No. Ukrainian sources are proven liars, while Russian sources are backed by real photos and videos. There's a qualitative difference hereYOU are the one moving goal posts here, as it turns out, not me. You just want to BOTH SIDES because you have no fucking spine of your own, only glowie propaganda instead of an opinion.
Woah, Russia shifting the blame with proofs (we don't even fucking know if it was Russia that shot down that plane, ffs) is totally the same as Ukraine claiming gazillion Russian dead! Woah, sources are totally equal in their strength of proof and presentation! Gotta use both sides, amirite?!?!?
NO, you moron, Russia by all metrics is a better source - when it's not talking about some warcrimes, anyway. And we were talking about this
>>528136 in the beginning. Why the fuck would ANYONE WITH A HEAD ON THEIR SHOULDERS believe that Russian tanks ran out of fuel and that Russian drivers are begging for fuel for their tanks? What level of naivety is that? Is this burger education at work?
No.528302
>>528294>Come american hours.I am Venezuelan. If anything, you must be the westernoid between you and I.
No.528303
>>528299>Haz is communistRiiiiiiiight
No.528304
>>528095This, there is no "reactionary ethnicity" the Ukrainians who fought for the Soviet Union as soldiers and partisans absolutely dwarfed the collaborationists (despite what both the Ukrainian and Russian governments will tell you) Russian and Ukrainian hatred is manufactured dive and conquer bullshit.
No.528305
guy i have bad news i used to support the separatists until i see the horrible things the Russian military has done
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17772443/russia-bombed-nursery-kindergarten-bodies/ No.528306
>>528302>I am VenezuelanLast time I checked Venezuela is in america.
Point still stands.
No.528307
>>528297Patriots.win and /Pol/ are ecstatic with what Putin is doing
To then this is fighting Klaus Schwab, new world order and all that
Their websites are filled with post shitting on Ukraine and praising putin
No.528308
>>528301Russia shot down MH17 and its media did a massive amount of disinfo to cover it up. Russia Today Sputnik The Daily Beast or the New York Times are all the same and if you side gobble up wathever a spook funded capitalist media agency tell you you're a fucking moron and class traitor
No.528313
>>528309Praise be to Allah
No.528316
>>528306seethe.
>>528305you gotta be fucking kidding me with the sun.
No.528317
>>528308>Russia shot down MH17 and its media did a massive amount of disinfo to cover it upOr it was a truth and you bought into western disinfo. Woah.
ANYWAY. again, you goddamn retard, don't you fucking see a QUALITATIVE difference between blame shifting and CLAIMING NEWS THAT DIDN'T EVEN FUCKING HAPPEN?
No.528321
>>528311Jesus Christ i cant find the fucking footage
No.528323
>>528312Trade deal incoming?
No.528324
>>528312Diplomacy is one hell of a drug
No.528325
>>528288PM of Germany is too cowardly to debate a twitch streamer?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA breathes
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA No.528326
>>528309Putin has both Taliban and Pope calling him to stop this insanity. What a timeline.
No.528327
>>528325The time an actual president fucking debates a twitch streamer is the time I will start planning a terrorist attack on a nuclear plant.
No.528328
>>528324Scholz is based as hell
t. CHen
No.528329
>>528305Putin and the RF did worse than this just at Beslan. You are being naive if you think a war isn't just solely on the basis of some stray munitions blowing up in a very unfortunate place.
No.528330
>>528316 i v e seen fucking dead children on live television
No.528332
>>528330There is no cluster bombing of Kharkiv. That's all Western disinformation, anti-imperialist shouldn't believe it.
No.528333
i am watching live television
No.528334
>>528328scholz fucked this crisis up big time, along with macron.
No.528335
>>528330Do you want three more months of this with a lot more children?
Ukraine isn't going to win this. The best they can do is delay and prolong the suffering. Russian paratroops are outside Kiev right now with armored forces coming in. What do you think is the route to the quickest resolution here?
No.528336
>>528330and did you see the fucking children killed in DBR during the 8 years?
Why don't you go and overthrow your western government that gives support to zelinski so everything stops now?
no?
Don't care.
No.528337
>>528328Scholz is really based, Gazprom porkies are literally killing themselves now
No.528338
>>528330>>528333Well at least we know you aren't an angloid, ESL RAF.
No.528341
>>528327You jest but at some point the generations who grew up with twitch streams will replace older generations in every domain, including politcs so it's only a matter of time before high ranking politicians will consider debating on twitch as evident as going on TV is to present politicians
No.528343
>>528339he's just sucking kraut cock there, badly
No.528344
>>528337up to that time cholz hold german policies. Baerbock hod to declare that they don't care about NS-II so eevrything ramped up in Ukraine to start the war.
No.528345
>>785739
>ukrops are sending their kids to school in the middle of a warzone
uygha why?
No.528346
>>528312>scholz becomes leader>immediately cucks outAnother L for Chen I'm afraid
No.528349
>>528341Then pls point out the least defended nuclear plants that are on this planet right now and when a president has a debate with a twitch e-celeb I shall go there.
No.528351
>>528342Stop faggot. They were probably conscripts who died in the service of a shitty state.
No.528352
Any evidence for the claim going around that the current gunfights in Kiev are between Ukrop civilian defence groups?
No.528354
>>528348Poor guys. Still a good thing.
No.528355
>>528342Unhinged cheeto muncher shut the fuck up
No.528356
>>528343it's not even sucking kraut cock it's just pure retardation
No.528357
>>528348>no proof whatsoeverNow then, compare this shit to Russian claims
No.528358
ghost of kiev is a /pol/ shitpost you guys
No.528359
>>785739>>785739lol that fake ass shelling. Neat windows didn't explode.
>>528342I don't celebrate the killings of regular ukrainians, specially people that has nothing to win over this. If you put banderites with azov references, most welcome, but put a fucking spoiler.
No.528360
>>528342I hope that one day, you too are conscripted into fighting for a government that doesn't care about you. Maybe then you will understand the fear and the pain of losing your family and your home to an invader. From the bottom of my heart, I genuinely hope that you will one day gain empathy for your fellow human beings and workers. If that doesn't happen, reconsider your plans to remain alive.
No.528361
Time of cucks like Schroeder is gone and now Germany finally stands up to Russia, am I right?
No.528362
>>528348These liberals gonna cry huge tears when they see the Russian flag waving in the government buildings in kiev.
No.528363
>>528330So what? When I was your age you know what was going on in this region? Snuff films of teenagers killing pensioners aired for money and shock value. That was during peacetime.
No.528364
>>528359He's probably false flagging and taking screenshots to post somewhere to say "look how ebil leftypol is celebrating death"
They might be on the wrong side of the conflict but anons should have some respect for the dead (unless they're with Azov).
No.528365
BREAKING: UKRAINIANS ANNOUNCE THEY HAVE DEFEATED ENTIRE RED ARMY, DETAILS TO COME
No.528366
>>528364> (unless they're with Azov).Even Azov had like 15-20% nazi presence. It literally had anarcho-communists in its ranks.
No.528367
>>528365Whoa we're back in 1941
No.528368
>>528349Worry not comrade, France's nuclear plants are criminally under maintained because the privatized national electric company have completely gobbled up short terms profits approach so they'bound to blow up in a few decades at best.
Porky was the real posadist all along
No.528369
>>528353>Serbian Chetnik>Chetnikchetniks don't exist anymore retard unless you're gonna call any rusaboo serb a chetnik which is also retarded
No.528370
>>528365actual time traveller
No.528371
>>528303>RiiiiiiiightThe last time i watched one of his videos is i.d.k. 6 months ago, and i didn't agree with his heidegerian crap or his attacks on planning the economy with computers. However he did seem to be some kind of communist despite not agreeing with my philosophical and policy positions.
No.528372
>>528273This guy looks like the ML party members in Houston.
No.528373
>>528361Germany stands up on the neck of European peripheries, otherwise it's a total cuck of burgers
No.528374
>>528360>you too are conscripted into fighting for a government that doesn't care about you.I would defect to the enemy tbh, I wonder how many people are happy to die for Zelensky.
No.528377
>>528369There are actual Chetniks from the 90s with the DPR militias.
No.528378
>>528327I resonate with your sentiment but if you critically compare the discourse of twitch to that of primetime television (that holds actual debates and e.g. Fox News interviews with former American president Trump), I think you will find that the latter is even further depraved. A long time has passed since the era of the Chomsky/Foucault debates.
No.528379
>>785781
And people keep wondering why this guy got kicked out his Yugoslavia university job.
No.528380
>>528360If I was conscripted into this war on the Uke side I would be looking to desert and steal the gun at the first option or surrender. Not die like a dog for some ultranationalists.
Everyone dying in uniform at this point probably played some part in their own death.
No.528381
>>528377And fascists were pro-USSR in 1990-91. Woah.
No.528382
>>528366>It literally had anarcho-communists in its ranks.And that's an indictment of anarcho-communism as a tool of imperialism
No.528383
>>528353The shit is more interesting. Plotnitsky, creator of LPR, believes that Maidan was orchestrated by evil Jewish cabal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_PlotnitskyIn 2021 both republics were declared "Русские национальные государства" which means "[Ethnic] Russian National States". But yeah, the Nazi guys are Ukrainians.
No.528384
>>528380While I agree with the first part 100%, we don't know the events that led to these people being there and the conditions they are in. What if the generals are killing deserters? Where will they run off to? It's easy to say, hard to execute.
No.528386
>>528348Source: Some shaking Ukrop in a bunker
Where's the fucking footage?
No.528387
I have heard from reliable sources that the Russian Tanks have ran out of fuel (Russian troops are desperately searching for Gas cans due to their shitty logistics) and that is why Russia has failed to seize any Ukrainian cities along with suffering three times as many casualties as the Ukrainians, 🤣.
Honestly, If I was Biden, I would authorize a No-Fly Zone (enforced by F-35 and F-22 Stealth fighters) over Ukraine combined with a massive Air Campaign by B-2 Stealth Bombers, JASSM-ER ALCMs launched by B-1 and B-52 Bombers, and Tomahawk Cruise Missiles launched by Ships and Submarines against Russian Air Bases, Naval Bases and SAM sites, in order to force Putin to withdraw from Ukraine and ensure my reelection in 2024 (and Democrats significantly over performing in the 2022 Midterms) due to the “Rally around the Flag” effect. This is also a great outcome from a Maoist perspective, as the destruction of Russia’s Conventional Military would result in the collapse of the Capitalist, Imperialist, and Fascist state of Putinist Russia, which in the subsequent chaos would finally allow the Workers and Oppressed Nations of Russia to wage a Protracted People’s War to reestablish the USSR, thus putting the World on the Shining Path to Communism!
No.528389
Maybe (and it's just a suggestion) as marxists we don't support state actors in an inter-imperialist conflict or their war propaganda and look to the proletariat as the only force that can end reactionary war.
No.528391
>>785781
Classic Zizek
No.528392
>>528389no 1 gives a fuck about us idiot
No.528393
>>528387>reliable sourcesStop it retard.
No.528394
>>528387>I have heard from reliable sourcespost sources
No.528395
>>528387Man, being wrong about your nothingburger predictions really broke your brain, huh?
No.528396
>>528387This is a false flag
No.528397
>>528366>Even Azov had like 15-20% nazi presence>annarco-communists not knowing nazi apologiaI am not sure what you are trying to get, but you only caused that I puke seeing anarcho-communists now. And that's not fair, because we have based an-comms here.
>>528383boy, you've been here forever trying to discredit DBR. Don't you get tired? guess we won't have a comunist revolution soo in your country thanks to you.
No.528398
>>528389It's the logical thing to do, but campist dengoids and Rusaboo nationalist fetishists don't want to and would rather ignore the whole Wagner Group, chetniks, and politicians who believe Maidan was done by a "jewish cabal" thing.
No.528399
>>528389Or you can FUCKING LEARN the situation by using LOGIC AND REASON. Both sides is a harmful meme supporting US imperilaism.
No.528400
>>528385Yeah, so just we're aware, there are bad people on the DPR side too.
I personally hope they and Azov whittle each other down and maybe they'll get into fights with the Chechens when this is over.
No.528402
Didn't Ukraine literally name the street that goes to the Nazi death sites after Bandera. They are just comically evil
No.528403
>>528387>I have heard from reliable sources>doesn't post themthe absolute state
No.528405
>Azov are not Nazis they're actually based anarcho-communists the People's Republics are the fascists trust me Bro
No.528406
>>528377>from the 90stito gulag'd all the chetniks that didn't escape what are you talking about
there were no chetniks in the yugoslav people's army
No.528407
>>528399>Or you can FUCKING LEARN the situation by using LOGIC AND REASON.would rather kill myself rn than learn a single thing
No.528408
>>528397> boy, you've been here forever trying to discredit DBR.I just don't like ethnic nationalism.
No.528409
>>528387>reliable sourcesBaghdad Brandon isn't sending us his best, gomrades
No.528410
>>528387Hillary Clinton typed this post
No.528411
>>528387>allow the Workers and Oppressed Nations of Russia to wage a Protracted People’s War to reestablish the USSR, thus putting the World on the Shining Path to Communism!*allow Russia to be carved up and dominated the same as before
No.528412
>>528387of course the tard king schizo will follow the ukrainian narrative.
>>528395kek
>>528396mod can you tell?
No.528413
>>528407No expertise, no learning - no right to talk. Mao said something like this. Both sidists have to shut up immediately, as per Mao
No.528414
> In an interview with USA TODAY, he admitted he is a Nazi and said with a laugh that no more than half his comrades are fellow Nazis. He said he supports strong leadership for Ukraine, like Germany during World War II, but opposes the Nazis' genocide against Jews. Minorities should be tolerated as long as they are peaceful and don't demand special privileges, he said, and the property of wealthy oligarchs should be taken away and nationalized.
Ukrainian nazis are a farce lol
No.528415
>>528389Maybe the war will end before leftypol manages to raise class consciousness across Ukraine and Russia.
No.528416
>>528344dude was sucking Merkel's clit, he's a huge germanophile.
No.528417
>>528408then you will know that the people who got killed mostly, 84% were Donbasians. Either your propaganda is not adjusted to reality and you prefer to side with those who actually were doing the ethnonatioalism to the point of a cleansing, or you are a CIA troll.
No.528418
>>528278>thumbnailBaghdad is full of glowies?
No.528420
>>785781
He's gone insane. This is the exact thing Russia fears about NATO encroachment.
No.528421
>>528387Do you need another ban?
No.528423
>>528417You don't understand! It's an inter-imperialist rivalry with a disproportional Russian losses. But it's okay because Russia always lost more people than others *wink-wink* Doesn't prove anything!
No.528424
>>528417I condemn ethnic nationalism being it Russian or Ukrainian. Bombing cities is wrong, instigating far-right uprisings and invading the country is wrong.
No.528425
>>528392speculation is fine and whatever, but if and when an anti-war movement and actions eventuate we all should probably be on the ground, online conduits for it's communications and trying to push a line with as many other groups that will push it If you aren't already in an organisation, no matter how small.
No.528427
>>528419>>528422"meant for this" anon is confused, he didn't write the "Maybe…" post.
No.528428
>>528414Yeah this one guy while talking to western media should be considered representative instead of something they actually did, like this
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/ukrainian-rightists-burn-alive-39-at-odessa-union-building/ No.528431
>>528424Moralism is bourgeois.
No.528432
>>528428It was later stated that he doesn't represent views of the rest of the battalion
No.528433
>>528429Then Zelensky should announce his surrender.
No.528435
>>528431So are far-right uprisings
No.528436
>>528366anarcho-communist as in "based makhno would have exterminated the russo-jewish cockroaches"?
No.528437
>>528413consider the possibility that people make statements from a place of levity based mao-quoter
No.528438
>>528384Yeah I get you, I know you don't always get the chance to surrender or run away. But the guys wearing full military garbs with a flag and the Russians seemingly very happy to accept surrendering and defection makes me sceptical they didn't fight to the last man.
No.528439
>>528387MALD MALD MALD MALD MALD MALD MALD
you wrong bitch lmao
No.528440
>>785781
Is Zizek okay? Or is he just trolling everyone?
No.528441
>>528436No, it was a unit with the easiest entry
No.528442
>>785861
kys
No.528443
>>528423et tu kektus
>>528424>invading the country is wrong.>mwfRussia was left with no choices.
The whole post is a non-sequitur, you can hate ethnotationalism, but that doesn't mean Russia is wrong in what they did. The azovites were pawns that instigated the war? yes, perhaps. but zelinski can quit already and he is the one prolonging this so the west can enjoy seething about Russia.
No.528445
>>528425detecting from ur reddit spaceing that u misapprehend the gravity of ur (our) opinions.
No.528446
>>528371>6 months agoBro come on, keep up.
No.528448
>>785861
True. But "propaganda" does not necessarily involve lies.
No.528449
=this thread has propaganda form both sides=
No.528450
>>528431Your position is also moralist (I agree with it but that's a bad argument)
No.528451
>>528444That would make for a great site banner.
No.528452
>>528447We didn't utilize our army fully, it's still 33-50%
No.528453
>>528440Lately he's encircled by pro-US "experts" on China and Russia.
No.528454
>>528387>Russian Tanks have ran out of fuel this actually could be true
Russia is currently waging a Blitzkrieg in Ukraine and that's a common problem with this strategy since you are literally driving away from your supplies
the Nazis faced the same issue in France and the US during the Gulf War both armys ran out of fuel after 400 kilometers
No.528457
>>528447Russians soldiers aren't terminally online mentally ill western faggots
they're utilizing some degree of opsec and, you know, professionalism
No.528458
>>528447You know, there IS such a thing as radio discipline.
No.528460
What about Georgian people protesting their government because it cucked out? CIA glowing color revolution psyop?
No.528462
>>528447RUssian TV was running a video of loads of Ukrainian POWs. Russian claims are proven by independent civvie reports as well.
No.528463
>>528459Nooo Germany should've stayed out of it!
No.528464
>>528459The thing is, there is still Hungary. Hungary.
No.528466
>>528461read lenin for fuck's sake
No.528467
>>528459Aren't they just shooting themselves in the dick?
No.528468
>>528466Gimme a book and a quote
No.528469
>>528459https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/swift-banking-system-used-sanction-russia-rcna17533"Allies on both sides of the Atlantic also dangled the SWIFT option in 2014, when Russia annexed Crimea and backed separatist forces in eastern Ukraine. Russia declared then that kicking it out of SWIFT would be equivalent to a declaration of war. The allies shelved the idea."
No.528470
>>528465I admire these people, but joining Azov of all units was a really stupid move
No.528472
>>528464Are they going to put alll the pressure on them?
No.528473
>>528472Hungary probably won't stand against it alone. They've already been distancing themselves from Russia over the invasion
No.528474
>>528472What could they do?
No.528475
>>528342Fuck off man. That’s going to be you when the Burger government throws all the proles into war with China.
No.528476
>>528457>>528458But wouldn't showing that they have "liberated" these areas be great propaganda, to boost morale at home and on the front?
>>528462Please source everything then. I've skimmed almost all Cuckraine Habbening threads and haven't seen anything of the sort.
No.528477
>>528470they're larpers and adventurists
No.528478
Rumors say some civilian militias in Kyev armed by the Ukrainian government are currently infighting.
No.528480
>>528459>>528472 (me)
Germany?
Only source
>German lawmakers call on leader to cut Russia from vital SWIFT payments systemlawmaker/government
No.528481
>>528465> The pro-Russian side consisted of police, entrepreneurs, politicians, and the military who sympathized with Russia, ordinary citizens frightened by fake news, various ultra-right indivisuals including Russian patriots and various types of monarchists, pro-Russian imperialists, the Task Force group “Rusich,” the PMC [Private Military Company] group “Wagner,” including the notorious neo-Nazi Alexei Milchakov, the recently deceased Egor Prosvirnin, the founder of the chauvinistic Russian nationalist media project “Sputnik and Pogrom,” and many others. There were also authoritarian leftists, who celebrate the USSR and its victory in the Second World War.But they are still good guys, right leftypol?
No.528483
The "Ukrainian neonazis don't exist" people need to stop coping and realize that there is Ukrainian propaganda too
https://banderalobby.substack.com/ No.528486
>>528478Poroshenko's mercs versus some other faction? Or Nazis vs government?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEemYjYRYsg Every oligarch/wannabe warlord that's chosen to stay behind probably has their own merc squad that's "officially" on the books as some national guard unit or another.
No.528487
>>528478B-but Zelenskyyyyy said it was a good idea to give assault rifles to grandpas and teenagers.
No.528488
>>528481>Anarkiddy copeWho said anything about the good guys?
No.528489
>>528399but the US said at the UN that neutrality was the same thing as being pro-russian. This is like those people who claim that not voting is a vote for (bad candidate)
No.528490
>>528478not surprised, social cohesion in ukraine is weak as fuck
No.528491
I only simp for Xi
No.528492
>>528389uygha its not the 1920s anymore 99% of the world doesn't even know what the word "Proletariat" means
No.528493
>>528488The tards who imply that if you aren't guzzling Russian cum you are guzzling NATO cum
No.528494
>RUSSIA: "Russia does not recognize Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights, which are part of Syria" Polyansky called out Israel on using the word "Tel Aviv", which indicates Russia does not recognize Jerusalem as the capital of "Israel", but as a Palestinian city. – at UNSC — after Israel expresses support for Ukraine
UHHHHH ZIONISM ROASTED
No.528495
>>528493If you're on the fence you're on the side of the status quo, and the status quo is unipolar world order and every western normie being bombarded by the MSM propaganda machine being fully mobilized against "evil Russia"
Simple facts.
No.528496
>>528459If Russia didn't want this, they should have just not invaded Ukraine. Russia's current policy seems to be to repeatedly sabotage everything they want for no reason other than nationalistic fervor and the imperialist drive to make their massive ass country even bigger
No.528498
>>528476You don't need morale boosters, if you're doing well.
No.528500
>>528497>because they don't want to lose access to USD transactionperfectly reasonable
No.528502
Liveuamap is down again
Putler did this
No.528503
>>528427Still don't get it
No.528506
>>528497This is fake news to me. Only forbes posted this, no link to public statements. It i not like forbes haven't been caught since the beginning on this conflict.
Either way, Russia/China trade in Yuan and another common currency with Pakistan from years ago.
No.528507
>>785162
>>785156
>>785106
"I don't know with which weapons WW4 will be fought because WW3 will be fought with cringe" jewish science man
>>785202
OKAY I CHANGED MY MIND I'M ON UKRAINE'S SIDE
ZELENSKY TAKE ME WITH YOU
No.528508
>>785927
>Russians and Cuban forces
>Cuban forces
Did the author meant to say 'Kuban?' Was it a a spelling error, or was the author trying to be misleading by implying that Cubans are in Ukraine?
No.528509
>>528508It’s a joke referencing an american movie called red dawn
No.528513
>>528504The only country that recognizes the golan heights is the US and Israel (for obvious reasons)
No.528515
>>528459I have no clue about this Swifty thingy, but how effective would it be?
No.528517
>>528497Reminder that China learned from the fall of the Soviet Union.
No.528520
>>528480Try reading every source I posted instead of just the one you decided to focus on.
No.528521
>>528481>Source: The article that justified joining AzovDO ANARCHIST REALLY THO?
No.528523
>>528516You know tbat russia could have just put bases on the donbass and be done with it? If the ukrainians shell them, that's a declaration of war in on itself.
Despite this, Putin has decided to go full retarded and try to take Kiev.
No.528527
>>528521They did it for practical reasons, Azov lets everyone join
No.528528
>>528526 it was russian lol
No.528530
>>528408>I just don't like ethnic nationalism.>>528424>I condemn ethnic nationalism stop listening to Agent Kochinski. black nationalism is not white genocide you fucking idiot
No.528532
>>52852516 is actually a conservative age of consent in Europe btw.
The only country with 18+ in european soil is turkey lmao
No.528533
>>528526 fake i have seen this and it was a Russian tank
No.528535
>>528530I don't even watch him
No.528537
>>528523My understanding was that Ukraine in fact was shelling Luhansk and Donetsk after Putin recognized them as independent countries and allies. Unless I am mistaken, what you have suggest has already come to pass but without the step of establishing such bases.
No.528538
>>528528>>528533you forgot to switch flags, you flaggot
No.528539
>>528524 so you agree with me leftcom
No.528540
>>528537You are. The recognition came
after the false flag and renewed shelling.
No.528541
>>528532Burgers want to keep people from being independant the longest time possible unless it's for joining the police or the military
No.528542
>>528526>look at this video of russkie atrocities!<ukrop sharting uncontrollably as he flees the russian advance<driver survivedUkrainian MoD infowar is a joke, and that's the best part of their war effort right now.
No.528543
>>528536No, there actually were anarchists fighting in Azov battalion because of stupid
No.528545
>>528530How about you stop projecting US politics onto Eastern Europe you midwit?
No.528546
>>528535this anti-nationalism talking point is exactly the same argument he makes. maybe you absorbed it through osmosis from spending to much time on fbi.gov.
nationalism is good.
No.528548
>>528545>black nationalism is when USbrainrot
No.528549
>>528534At least at that time you would be the defender. Better PR than straight out fucking invade the whole of it because of decommunization.
If that was the case everyone in this board would be onboard in Russia's side, but no.
No.528551
>>528544kek
Show yourself, Leninhat.
No.528552
>>528052I pick the side of the workers
No.528553
>>528521idk what the fuck is going on with eastern european anarchists
they're knowingly and willingly support reactionary causes cause "there is no alternative"
western anarchists at least cooperate with the so called "authoritarian" communists if it's beneficial to the movement
No.528554
>>528422>>528427>>528503i keep fucking up my posts cause im an idiot and dont double check who im referring to.
No.528555
>>528546I don't use fbi.gov too. I've read Lenin's works on national question and he advocates for different sort of nationalism.
No.528556
>>528540Sorry, I do not understand the contradiction. There was a period during which both of these are the case, yes?
(1) Russia recognizes DPR/LPR
(2) Ukraine shells regions over which DPR/LPR make claims
Of course, it is possible that (1) happens in the middle of (2). But whatever way the precedence proceeds I do not understand the necessity of earlier anon's suggestion for Russia to establish bases in the region.
No.528558
>>528496Kill yourself. All you NATOids had to do was pledge Ukrainian neutrality. Hope you get nuked you cosmopolitan faggot.
No.528559
>>528548Where are the Black nationalists in Ukraine you colossal moron?
No.528561
>>528549>being a defender against artillery barrages>muh PRLibshit obsession with optics is fucking cringe.
>>528551He got himself banned
No.528562
>>528555Maybe you should try reading the history of Russia and Ukraine instead of spamming bullshit and talking out your ass.
No.528563
>>528536>red flag calling anyone else glowieomegalul
No.528564
This is literally another Holodomor.
No.528565
>>528543Yeah it's true, anarchists fought during Euromaidan and when the war in the east began they went there and joined militias. There was even training sessions from the right sector were antifascists went, nationalism will do the strangest thing to people. But it was really a little phenomenon, a few people, most distanced themselves and there was one who turned fasicst I believe.
Source: Am an anarchist who read the stuff
No.528566
>>528531"Fuck it, one struggle."
No.528567
>>528559Follow the conversation instead of trying to derail. We are talking about nationalism in the DNR, which is a good thing that communists support.
No.528568
>>528561>Libshit obsession with optics is fucking cringe.<Everyone I don't like is a liberal!Neck yourself.
No.528570
>>528562I've been interested in this topic for years. Russian states lead by reactionaries (tsarist Russia, modern Russia) always tried to suppress Ukraine.
No.528572
>>528570Good. Ukraine is run by a fascist junta.
No.528573
>>528527Your buddies are fascist collaborators, stop lecturing people and behave like a normal person please.
No.528574
>>528572No, but Putin said he wants Ukrainian military to organize one yesterday.
No.528575
>>528565 (me)
To add to this Ukrainian anarchists were divided about what to do in case of Russian invasion because they really don't want to be affiliated to the state or NATO but a faction did say they were gonna be fighting because Kropotkinian positions basically, enemy state worse than home state.
No.528576
>>528568Has anyone obsessed with optics not been a liberal?
I'm sure the actual physicists in the field of optics are very diverse, as are telescopic sights enthusiasts.
No.528577
>>528517They contributed to it
No.528578
>>528573So are the people "on the other side".
No.528580
>>528497What the fuck did you just fucking say about China, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the 中国人民解放军特种部队, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on the India border, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire 中国人民解放军. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across 中国 and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the 中国人民解放军海军陆战队 and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
No.528581
>>528492You're right about the proletariat and the decline of the worker's movement. Hence the reason for an international anti-war movement and the need to advocate for tools down, mutiny, refusal of orders and counter-logistics actions in the west and in Russia. Otherwise what is likely to eventuate will 100% be an NGO echo chamber for Nato policy. Including any positions on the legitimacy of Novorossiyan self-determination.
No.528582
>treads on 4chinlet are literally unusable trash where everyone makes massive claims without providing a reliable source
>here most people are giving sources
I love you bunkerbros
No.528583
>>528497you mean the CCP is smart? amazing analysis anon
No.528584
>>528528>>528533lmao, are you in berserk mode samefagging?
>>528534We have a hiiiuuuuge amount of tards flocking here.
>>528549
>invade the whole of it because of decommunization.>implying wasn't a mock of what Ukrainians did.>not de-nazification, which is when they are actually serious. No.528585
>>528582Do they, at least, provide an
unreliable source, /pol/yp?
No.528586
>>528578Having individuals with nazi views in a private contracting group is different than having a state controlled by fascist collaborators that are embedded in the military, legislature and cabinet and incorporating multiple entire battalions.
No.528587
>>528528This is pathetic bro, you're like twelve years old and swap sides based on the nasty pictures you see. Just drop out.
No.528588
>>528576>Having people rally against your cause because you're too trigger happy is not a bad thing.>The shilling we see nowadays would have the same effect if the ukrainians were considered the attackers.Not saying there would be less shilling, but opinion is important and you don't want the enemy country to actually rally against you (and this is not only for Ukraine, is for all of NATO, you had a great opportunity to break NATO from the inside but decided to pull the trigger instead of waiting one day more for Azov fucks to shell the defensive bases, a fucking perfect casus belli, not only for outside, but for inside as well).
You're retarded and should be banned for it.
No.528589
>>528578>>528117
>[…]After Askold Lozynskyj became the president of the UWC in addition to the Ukrainian Congress Committee of America (UCCA)—taken over by the “Liberation Front” in 1980—the conservative Ukrainian American columnist Myron Kuropas, who himself used to be associated with a rival faction of the OUN, opined that Lozynskyj is “someone I have known (and disagreed with) for decades. He is bright, brash, articulate (often given to demagoguery), thoroughly bilingual and dynamic. I have watched him mature over the years from a firebrand Banderite to a more nuanced Banderite.” Over twenty years later, Kuropas has said, “In retrospect I don't see Askold maturing for the better politically. He seems to still follow Bandera's dictum that ‘those who are not with us are against us.’ He still seems to push for OUN-B domination of the Ukrainian American community.” Of course, the transnational OUN-B’s goals extend far beyond the United States, but the Ukrainian American community and its allies in Washington are an important asset for the Bandera cultists in their perpetual struggle to take over Ukraine.
>Ever since Canadian Banderites succeeded Lozynskyj as the presidents of the UWC and ICSU in 2008 and 2013, respectively, both international organizations have been headquartered in Toronto. Eugene Czolij, former president of the OUN-B’s international Ukrainian Youth Association (Спілка української молоді, CYM) and more recently the Ukrainian Canadian Congress (UCC), became the new president of the UWC in 2008. He was succeeded by Paul Grod, another UCC leader and fellow “CYMivtsi,” in 2018.
>Those “elections” to the World Congress saw Stefan Romaniw, longtime chairman of the Australian Federation of Ukrainian Organizations and former CYM leader in Australia, named general secretary and then first vice president of the UWC. In 2009, the year Romaniw became the new global OUN-B leader, he spoke at an event at Stepan Bandera’s grave in Munich honoring that year as the 100th anniversary of his birth, as did Lozynskyj and Czolij. Three years later in Munich, Czolij addressed an ICSU conference, held in part to honor the belated 100th birthday of the late Yaroslav Stetsko—Bandera’s deputy, ideologist, and successor, who was likewise a fascist war criminal, Nazi collaborator, and anti-Semite.
>After the 2013-14 “Euromaidan” (aka the “Revolution of Dignity”) in Kyiv, Russia’s annexation of Crimea, and the spark of an armed conflict in eastern Ukraine between the new Western-backed Ukrainian government and Russian-backed separatists in the Donbas, the Atlantic Council launched its Ukraine in Europe Initiative following a visit to the United States by Arseniy Yatsenyuk, the new Prime Minister of Ukraine. Part of that initiative included the AC’s “UkraineAlert” newsletter, for which Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty’s Irena Chalupa shortly became a leading contributor. Although she briefly conceded in an article that year that Bandera collaborated with Nazi Germany, Chalupa has apparently never publicly acknowledged that before her stint with the US broadcaster RFE/RL, she worked for Stetsko in the OUN-B’s Cold War-era international headquarters building in Munich.[…]https://banderalobby.substack.com/p/bandera-and-the-atlantic-council No.528590
>>528586But the eastern states which broke off had a sizeable far right political presence at the beginning, not really private individuals
No.528592
> In 2015, the Deputy Minister of Political Affairs of the Donetsk People's Republic stated: "A culture of homosexuality is spreading … This is why we must kill anyone who is involved in this."
No.528596
>>528593I don't know what you're talking about
No.528598
>>528544This fucking war is full of LARP'ers, maybe real life is like a videogame after all.
No.528599
>>528596Ukraine has been exporting fascists to the United States for training since 1945 and they all came back in 2014. Do you have similar proof for Russia and Putin or are you just here to both sides so you can confuse observers about the reality of the situation?
No.528600
>>528526Is he actually okay though? Sometimes passengers' bodies get crushed in such a way that it prevents them from bleeding out (internal bleeding included). When you remove them from the wreckage, they lose the "tourniquet" too and sometimes they die.
No.528603
>>528601Sorry wrong link, but that one fits as well
https://youtu.be/S-wswRFc6Ts No.528604
>>528599I can't follow a goalpost moving so fast anon. Anyway Russia constantly supports far right movements all over the place as part of their foreign policy.
No.528606
>>528553Anarchists are a joke internationally at this point. Don't you fucking dare try to hide behind cooperation with western communists when you're some of the biggest agents of slander against communist countries in the west. You wage war against us everywhere.
All of you cunts should be ashamed of how absolutely pathetic and traitorous you are.
No.528607
>>528601Based, now I understand why /pol/ loves liberal tears so much.
No.528611
>>528604It sounds like like you think "far right" is when you are anti-LGBT. Left and right are based in material reality, which is determined by political economy. Russia is exactly as far right as any other capitalist nation.
No.528613
>>528588>Having people rally against your cause because you're too trigger happy is not a bad thing.Who rallied, where? The decision to sanction Russia was made long ago.
No.528614
>>528606Cope and seethe sectarian. If the communist parties weren't capital little bitches the workers would join them.
No.528615
>>528600He survived somehow.
No.528616
>>528556mr tank flag, did you see this?
No.528619
>>528615That's crazy. Good for him.
No.528620
>>528611Nice try but Russia bankroll the far right party in my country as part of their destabilization scheme against the west.
No.528622
>>528606>>528553 (me)
I'm not an Anarchist but since I'm doing union organizing I'm working with anarchists all the fucking time and I have a lot of respect for them.
No.528623
>>528617International sympathy for Finland didn't save them, either.
No.528624
>>528588>you had a great opportunity to break NATO from the inside but decided to pull the trigger instead of waiting one day more for Azov fucks to shell the defensive basesNTA, but Russia was preparing to act in a larger conflict, in Syria.
Now that Syria hold relatively well its land by themselves it was for Russia to take action.
That anon's point stands still: You are a retard in geopolitics.
No.528629
>>528468https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1915/mar/x01.htm
>This conclusion is either naïve childishness or crass sophistry, since it boils down to the following: since, in 1859, Marx was working on the problem of the desirability of success for which particular bourgeoisie, we, over half a century later, must solve the problem in exactly the same way.>Potresov has failed to notice that, to Marx in 1859 (as well as in a number of later cases), the question of “the success of which side is more desirable” meant asking “the success of which bourgeoisie is more desirable”. Potresov has failed to notice that Marx was working on the problem at a time when there existed indubitably progressive bourgeois movements, which moreover did not merely exist, but were in the forefront of the historical process in the leading states of Europe. Today, it would be ridiculous even to imagine a progressive bourgeoisie, a progressive bourgeois movement, in, for instance, such key members of the “Concert” of Europe, as Britain and Germany. The old bourgeois “democracy” of these two key states has turned reactionary. Potresov has “forgotten” this, and has substituted the standpoint of the old (bourgeois) so-called democracy for that of present-day (non-bourgeois) democracy. This shift to the standpoint of another class, and moreover of an old and outmoded class, is sheer opportunism. There cannot be the least doubt that a shift like this cannot be justified by an analysis of the objective content of the historical process in the old and the new epochs.
>Potresov drags present-day democracy backwards, not “in a certain sense” but in all senses; he drags it back to the slogans and the ideology of the old bourgeois democracy, to the dependence of the masses upon the bourgeoisie. . . . Marx’s method consists, first of all, in taking due account of the objective content of a historical process at a given moment, in definite and concrete conditions; this in order to realise, in the first place, the movement of which class is the mainspring of the progress possible in those concrete conditions. In 1859, it was not imperialism that comprised the objective content of the historical process in continental Europe, but national-bourgeois movements for liberation. The mainspring was the movement of the bourgeoisie against the feudal and absolutist forces. Fifty-five years later, when the place of the old and reactionary feudal lords has been taken by the not unsimilar finance capital tycoons of the decrepit bourgeoisie, the knowledgeable Potresov is out to appraise international conflicts from the standpoint of the bourgeoisie, not of the new class.READ LENIN YOU FUCKS
No.528630
>>528620You are right. It was Her turn.
No.528631
>EU and US dropping new sanctions on Russia every 30 mins. Russian officials said they "will cope"
You gotta love we live in clown world.
No.528633
>>528601>>528603Can you summarize the video? I don't wanna watch an entire voosh video.
No.528635
>>528625Russian S400 can shoot down planes from 300km away.
No.528636
>>528584>implying wasn't a mock of what Ukrainians did<It was totally just a joke bro hahaI wonder if Putin was just joking when he arrested a bunch of KPRF leaders last year, or when he said that Russia needed a neoliberal dictatorship to keep the communists out of power. Haha funny joke : )
No.528637
>>528631Russia may be the only hope to save us from the eternal cringe of western hegemony, honestly.
No.528638
>>528631Russia will simply purchase their resources from China instead of the West if Russia gets sanctioned.
No.528639
>>528626volyn was a false flag
No.528640
>>528389plenty of people have a nuanced position, they're just not filling the happenings threads with shitposts
No.528641
>>528614>uhhh we arent bad look at all our collaborations with the evil red fash tankies<shut the fuck up you are slimy little weasels>heh cry about it you're not hardcore like me *joins a neonazi battalion*You are worthless people
No.528642
>>528629Speaking of, Continental Floppa reading group is reading chapters 5-10 of Lenin´s Right of Nations to Self Determination this Saturday at 2 PM AST
No.528643
>>528633He's just reporting every retarded thing the Ukrainian twitter guys are claiming and saying it's a fact. Basically being Lord Haw-Haw
No.528644
>>528608Seriously, there are shills saying Putin has troops in civilian clothing in command of Ukrainian stolen tanks in the middle of fucking Kiev, it's ridiculous.
Information society will be killed by disinformation one day.
No.528645
>>528625Eh that's probably a false report.
>>>786104>Russian S400I am not a mil expert but I do not expect Russia to have any S400s in Ukraine. That's an incredibly valuable system and honestly Russia seems to have withheld a lot of the good stuff.
No.528647
>>528633From what I saw (<2 minutes, skipped once, then closed) Voosh says the Ukrainians are standing up the the Russians epic style, then played the (fake?) audio of the Ukrainians who allegedly told the Russian warship to fuck off and got BTFO. Voosh says this is the "problem of occupying other countries" because it creates martyrs who will always rise up and win in the end. Idealistic Reddit lib garbage, basically.
No.528648
>>528643>Lord Haw-HawAka Jen Psaki for Ukraine.
No.528649
>>528633He unironically thinks that there will be a mega-insurgency later and "ghost of kiev"-meme shit.
No.528650
>>528647 (me)
Correction
>martyrs who will always inspire people to rise up and win in the end. Idealistic Reddit lib garbage, basically. No.528651
>>528645Also I think the S400 is part of an integrated air defense system and is much more appropriate for a defense network not an invasion but idk.
No.528652
>>528646>NOOO YOU CAN'T TAKE BACK A REGION OF POLAND THAT THEY INVADED FROM YOU A CENTURY AGO! I'M GOING TO JOIN A NEO-NAZI BRIGADE IN 2022!!!Average anarchist
No.528653
>>528625old. and they don't need to put them in the kyev outskirts, their S-400 can fuck them hundreds of kilometers outside Ukraine.
>>528636SABOTARD THE LEAFTLETS WHERE ARE THEY WHERE'S YOUR PRAXIS IN CANADA kek did you sleep already enough for for more cope and autism from your side during the next 24 hours or will you hide your flag.
No.528654
>>528645They can have it stationed in Belarus far behind the front line and out of range of Ukrainian sead missiles. Look on a map retard.
No.528655
>>528652Damn I really struck a cord lol, I'd post this picture of Franco and Castro going to the corrida but I don't want you to cause an aneurysm. Stay safe comrade
No.528656
>i can hop on, but will probably get off early. we are on permanent extra duty because the Electonic Warfare Wing at Eglin AFB wants more serviceable ECM assets AF wide. not related to Ukraine (probably lol), just related to our dummy chief of staff and his made up bullshit slogan, "Accelerate change… or lose!"
friend in the air force just posted this, happening?
No.528657
>>528646>carve up poland with the third reichthe curzon line was the soviet-polish border under international law you fucking retard
No.528658
>>528654Eh in theory it could restrict Ukrainian use of its own airspace from outside Ukraine but I don't think there is any evidence of this. An explosion over Kyiv (which could be a missile) is not itself evidence of that.
No.528659
>>528634There is literally nothing wrong with funding opposition parties of all colors to subvert the west. Cope.
No.528660
>>528629What happens when the US/Western bourgeoisie encapsulates the whole world? Is that better or worse for socialism?
No.528661
This guy was gathering intel for months, he says that russia is only using a fraction of her power and is avoiding casualties as much as they can.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz2JsCrNaAE No.528662
>>528657So was the ukraine-russia border in 2014 :^)
No.528664
>>528662yes
what's your fucking point?
No.528665
>>528625>Ukrainian Air SupremacyGood Joke!
No.528666
>>528655You are becoming a laughing stock day by day, but all you ever do is post "Ukraine. Spain. Poland. Epic win total annihilation. I did nothing wrong".
Everyone hates you. This argument started because everyone in Eastern Europe realized you're a bunch of western shills, then you tried saying that actually western communists love us, but we don't, we hate you. We've constantly opened up lines of communication to you over the years, but you don't know how to do anything but wreck.
No.528667
>>528652The best anarchist poster here is bloodgasm. We both disagree how to go about things politically but we both share all the same wants and goals and that understanding is a stronger thing than the faggot playing defense for liberal democracies. Because seriously, if you are a new anarchist, after everything you've seen in the past decade in liberal democracies, could you truly believe it's a "lesser evil"? I doubt it and anyone who still believes liberal democracies are worth defending are extremely detached from the brutal reality of what these liberal democracies become in crisis which is irreversible.
No.528668
>>528042Not even the famed Red Baron of the German Empire could prevent Germany from losing the war; what makes people think the same way of a famous lone pilot in Kiev?
No.528669
>>528659I'm not discussing that, but this
>Ukraine has been exporting fascists to the United States for training since 1945 and they all came back in 2014. Do you have similar proof for Russia and Putin or are you just here to both sides so you can confuse observers about the reality of the situation? No.528670
>>528661Very true, unfortunately the Americans will still act as if they nuked Kiev.
I feel sorry for people who get their news from corporate propaganda (see picrel) instead of dudes like this and Comrade Texas.
No.528671
>>528661That's basically the consensus among the Experts as far as I can tell. Civ casualties are quite low and the sort of brutality which Russia could unleash on Ukraine and is famous for is nowhere to be found. People suspect that this was done to make a surrender and political solution more likely.
No.528672
>>528658No, but the article states there were Russian AA batteries in Kiev wich is a unproofed stupid claim.
No.528673
>>528669I never said Putin is exporting fascists
No.528675
>>528622You expect leftypol to actually do stuff outside their room?
No.528677
>>528637This.
Even a Russian/Putinist dystopia would be much better than the current dystopia, at least it would be less clown world-ly
No.528678
>>528667>The best anarchist poster here is bloodgasm. Agreed. He is 1/1000 of anarchists. Go look around the internet and take in the local anarchists of everywhere, they are all traitors, grifters and sex pests. The anarchists of leftypol are, mostly, better, but that puts them at a fraction of a fraction of a movement of people that should be destroyed.
No.528681
>>528675I do but I'm regularly disappointed
No.528682
>>528679>carve up polandAgree comrade that was a crime, give back Lwow to the Polish in exchange for Poland leaving nato :DD
No.528683
>>528653Actually I was speaking to the CPCa organizer in my area recently. They say they are organizing an anti-war committee and I offered to participate. Hopefully he'll get back to me soon. I already posted the party's statement on the war and I am in full agreement with it.
No.528684
>>528679Yes carving up Poland with the nazis and dissolving the USSR were redditor soy moves
No.528685
>>528672I appreciate CNN's psychotic diversion between catastrophic doomsaying and unbelievable pro-Ukraine propaganda. It helps drive everyone schizo. Not enough hyper-propagandized schizos in this country.
No.528686
>>528674This only works if you're not the ideology becoming irrelevant due to widespread suspicion of being traitors
No.528687
>>528660FOR THE PROLETARIAT THERE IS ONLY ONE BOURGEOISIE AND THERE IS NO WAR BUT THE CLASS WAR
No.528689
>>528678>the anarchist movement is just a bunch of american teenagerskys
No.528690
>>528686He said when CPUSA is famous in all the world for being glowieland.
No.528691
>>528685Hyper-propagandized schizos heavily armed with guns within the US sounds like a fun and stable place to be at.
No.528692
>>528690What does CPUSA have to do with your constant betrayals of everyone you meet?
No.528693
Why is Russia holding back? Lack of supplies?
No.528694
>>528692He said, when all old bolsheviks were killed for being traitors
No.528695
>>528688Zelensky should have stopped irregular troops from participating in the civil war the he got elected. He is such an incredible retard.
No.528696
>>528695In a way he did… by integrating them into the conventional forces
No.528698
>>528687I know that but it doesn't answer my question. It seems that a global, united bourgeoisie makes no difference to the old theories. That's all I want to know.
No.528699
>>528688>anti-fascist>joins azovmakes u think
No.528701
>>528699Antifascists even went to the training sessions of the right sector to go fight in the east
No.528702
>>528694Okay and? An overreach on shooting traitors doesn't excuse your guys constantly legitimizing US narratives and joining a Nazi militia. You are bringing up things you weren't even involved in, to distract from the actions of things you are currently involved in.
Explain why you are bringing up inter-ML fighting 100 years ago to justify joining a Nazi militia in 2022.
No.528703
>>528701the absolute state etc
No.528704
>>528697I meant why don't they deploy more troops you psycho. They're moving in slowly and might benefit from sending in more troops. Why haven't they done so?
No.528705
>>528693If the objective is to make a buffer state, the population should not become enterily hostile to your interests. And not carpetbombing helps in that regard.
No.528706
>>528680>obsessed lolhe was the one who replied to me.
Mi 24 destoys Ukrainian equipment.
>>528683Good, hopefully you will post pictures. And yes, it was a mock (the de-communistfication)
Anyway. The Mi 24 hind destroying some ukainian military equipment.
No.528707
>>528693Because Russia is planning to annex Ukraine or at least large parts of it. This is COIN 101. The US, for example, didn't bomb fucking everything until they were sure it was Iraqi shit during the first Gulf War.
No.528709
>>528704They are deploying more troops just not a significant force because they want to make negotiating a ceasefire more appealing for the Ukrainians.
No.528710
>>528702No anarchists are joining a nazi militia in 2022 (I think). After Euromaidan in which anarchists and nazis both took part the war in the east was triggered. Some of the anarchists went to fight and do humanitarian stuff there and the only training/militia available were far right stuff, thus a few did the stupid choice of going with them, only to be killed or leave not long after. I only brought stuff about communists doing things you reproach anarchists in order to feed the funny sectarian exchange. I have nothing to do with those ukrainian anarchists.
No.528711
>>528653>their S-400 can fuck them hundreds of kilometers outside Ukraine.Air defense networks are just that: networks. The plane that was taken out as an Su-27, which is far more agile than the targets that the S-400 was designed to strike, namely AWACS craft and other unwieldy machines. This was likely struck by medium to short-range missile batteries, which have shorter range, but higher-definition radars and so on. I don't know much about Russian/Soviet AA, but this is generally what is true.
No.528712
>>786190
More like hololdidnthappen
No.528713
>>528695If he capitulates the west will merc him, if he doesn't Russia will.
And Zelenskyy has decreed that no male 18-60yo is allowed to leave the country(and started forced conscription), so if he starts fleeing east, hoping to jam the Russian war machine with every Ukranian body in-between, the optics for NATO get atrocious as literally everyone will flee the country(and fight the border guards) if they can, or turn to Russia's side if they can't.
No.528715
>>528244Pls make more of these memes
No.528717
>>528500>>528506>>528510>>528517>UMM MUH PRODUCTIVE FORCES SWEETY.The USSR stopped India from getting sanctioned into non-existence by westoids during 71' by vetoing the UN.
There is literally no reason for China not to veto UN sanctions.
They already fucked up by refusing to veto the sanctions on the DPRK
No.528718
>>528693I heard they ran out of fuel, but it’s also not even the full mobilized force. They’ve sent only half or even a third of their armies
No.528719
>>528716like the declaration of Bush, it's a clown world
No.528720
>>528716It's a shame libtards don't shit on Israel like they do on Russia. Way fewer people have died in the Russo-Ukrainian conflict than the Israeli genocides + other crimes against Arabs and black Israelis.
No.528721
>>528717The USSR sent an Atomic Sub to defend the bay of bengal in ‘71 during the Bangladesh Liberation War when the USA sent the USS Enterprise to intimidate India. Sent it packing
No.528722
>>528720Liberals do shit on Israel. You can hate both, and BDS is seeing large support on the liberal side of western politics. It's just not there yet. However, being half right is still better than being fully wrong, so I'll take wins where I can get them. Russia is wrong for what it did, and should go to the negotiating table after it pulls out its troops from Ukraine.
No.528724
>>528497China doesn't enforce those sanctions, the US does from the Fed in New York. Chinese banks, and no banks in the world, are able to do transactions in USD with sanctioned entities, and attempting to do so will result in the entire bank being sanctioned. Chinese banks CANNOT thwart US sanctions in this way, because they are not the originator of sanctions or the ultimate enforcer of them.
What they can do is provide alternative means of financing that are settled in other currencies. And that is precisely what they are doing. I don't really appreciate this kind of fake news coming from a leftist frame. China and Russia are not necessarily pals, but if the US says you cannot use USD, you cannot. Period. That is just how the plumbing works.
No.528725
>>528716Putin gang all the way
fuck libs
No.528726
>>786004
Didn’t stop the nazis or the banderists
No.528727
>>528717The dollar had just barely come off the gold standard and wasn't backing every trade in the world yet
No.528728
>>528716Fascist corpse eaters supporting another fascist regime
No.528730
>>528506Not only is it true, but the UN resolution condemning Russia passed with China abstaining. The only problem is that Russia vetoed it. China is pro-China, not anti-America. China will back the US when it pleases it, and will back its own interests first. Russia is alone in this, and even Russians do not like what Putin has done. It's time to bring those boys home. They do not need to die in a foreign country for some stupid ideas that do not help their people. Politicians everywhere need to stop wiping their ass with the death certificates of soldiers.
No.528731
>>528652thats not an anarchist its a Agent Kochinski ite trying to start a sectarian fight. even anarchists read more than that
No.528734
>>786222
The front page of Reddit has arrived!
No.528735
>>528710Okay, you just brought it up as a joke, but remember at this point in heightened tensions that those on our side are starting to get very suspicious of the regularity that anarchists insult communists, so when you try and retreat from one area you've lost to another, don't expect a warm welcome. You will never find an ML talking down an anarchist territory, like Makhnovschina, despite the rudimentary bandit economy, widespread sexual abuse, and the warcrimes committed there. We are not unaware of these actions we just don't report on other anti-capitalists.
Remember that when the DDR was still around, the Stasi and the FDR anarchists would use the wall to protect anarchism, we also mostly looked out for you in the Spanish civil war as well. We are two ideologies joined at the hip, but continued actions like joining Right Sector, parroting state department propaganda, and slandering AES will result in a permanent split.
The communist and the anarchist are historically friends, but if they want us to go so much they'll be shocked to learn they're the people that normally go first. Make sure your friends know this, it's no use just you hearing the situation you are in.
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>>786222
>MY corrupt oligarchical shithole is better than YOUR corrupt oligarchical shithole
No.528737
>>528723I feel ya, comrade.
No.528739
>>528723Real leftists still do this. You're on an imageboard talking with people barely college-age who have no ability to do anything other than shitpost online. Whatever you do in this space does not matter, but it may help you learn something about yourself and about others. Each day, I learn that for a lot of online leftists, there is no pro position; it's always anti. So they are anti-America, and that is the whole of their knowledge of international politics. Do not despair, just go outside.
No.528740
new thread please comrade engineers
No.528741
>>528459<Hungary is the last roadblockNow things get interesting.
No.528742
>>786222
Liberalism is a mental illness. I'm on the verge of becoming a reactionary just to own the libs from this whole bullshit. I wonder if this whole thing is a litmus test, cuz I know it's my own.
No.528743
>>528730>Not only is it true, but the UN resolution condemning Russia passed with China abstaining. The only problem is that Russia vetoed it. China is pro-China, not anti-America. China will back the US when it pleases it, and will back its own interests first. Russia is alone in this, and even Russians do not like what Putin has done. It's time to bring those boys home. They do not need to die in a foreign country for some stupid ideas that do not help their people. Politicians everywhere need to stop wiping their ass with the death certificates of soldiers.It is false, because China CANNOT CLEAR USD TRANSACTIONS. That can only be done by the US. Chinese banks have merely announced that sanctioned entities will have to use alternative currencies. This is not a decision or a declaration of intent, it is just the opposite side of the coin of US sanctions declarations, because China cannot avoid them in the same way that a cause has an effect. If there was not this ongoing psyop, it would not even be notable.
Additionally, China vetoing the UN resolution would have no effect because Russia was guaranteed to veto it. Vote for abstention is just a diplomatic gesture, joined by India (and the UAE).
No.528744
>>528733>once again this has split the left>both sides>death to Russia, death to Ukraine, hail the working people>0 mention of NATOanother anarkiddie being a fucking retard
No.528747
someone make a new thread
No.528750
>>528723UN resolution passed? Did Russia lost its veto power suddenly?
No.528751
>>528739>I learn that for a lot of online leftists, there is no pro position; it's always anti. So they are anti-America, and that is the whole of their knowledge of international politics. Do not despair, just go outside.I don't want to depress you my dude, but my multi decade experience with huge swath of "irl" "left" "organisations" that operate in western countries showed me that this is just as true of them as it is of the terminally online people who are here.
there are no real leftists in the west, only larpers, liberals and rapists.
No.528752
>>528738I love the way her face was drawed
No.528754
>>528723Only pseudo leftists are arguing that.
Evidently Ukraine is a NATO puppet and Russia invading is a shit situation.
NATO needs to be dissolved, everything else is just noise.
No.528755
>>528739Which powerful and prosperous countries do leftists run..
No.528758
>>528754>NATO needs to be dissolved even though Russia is eating up a new country every few yearsYea sure.
No.528759
>>528723This isn't the geopolitical situation 60 years ago. Russia is the only country that can counter total NATO hegemony in Europe. NATO as a whole is biggest threat to socialism in existence as they are known for toppling countries globally that don't follow neoliberal capitalism. NATO's foreign policy is towards socialist countries is worse than Putin's Russia ever will be.
No.528765
>>528754Correct take. Sovereignty is not possible until NATO is dissolved entirely, as well as the IMF, the UN can remain because it's a good skeleton for future communist international relations.
No.528766
>>786222
flags and prayers
No.528769
>>528758Make a side by side comparison please.
No.528770
>>528768Gaddafi's top man
No.528772
>>528723Yeah, I agree. I think we're doomed but nobody wants to hear it and it doesn't do anyone any good to say it. I'm going to join a militia in my local CP and hopefully I'll die in some war.
I couldn't be bothered picking a better picture.
No.528775
>>528768Justice for Semen Hydenko who was raped by Chechens
No.528776
>>528723Correct.
(Some) People here think that multipolarity will solve everything and socialist states will start popping out just by magic.
They do not realize unipolarity was just the first layer, now there's many more to delve on.
No.528777
>>528768*Sniff* pure rapeology *sniff*
No.528778
>>528776Literally who is saying that.
You just invented that to feel smarter.
No.528779
>>528758Bait, but
it is funny how the pattern doesn't click in the public despite propaganda dancing very small circles around it.
Curiously, when NATO decides to expand to a country near Russia, that country develops territorial disputes.
🤔
No.528780
>>528772please type communist party out on imageboards you nearly gave me a heart attack
No.528781
We will most likely see regime change in Hungary soon over the SWIFT thing + Atlanticists fucking hate Orban.
No.528782
>>528773NATO never was involved in Syria and only Afghanistan was invaded without a security council resolution. Russia supported the rest
No.528783
>>528774Zelenskler:
>Fight for your country, civilians! Make molotovs! I will send selfies from Warsaw! No.528785
>>786286
NEW THREAD
No.528789
Lmao at all the triggered extremists on here thinking Poland/Latvia/Romania joining NATO makes them agents of imperialism or whatever. The only thing that happens in those situations is those countries get a guarantee of not being invaded.
No.528790
>>528780I'm going to throw my life away for a dying ideology under the banner of a communist party infested with nepotists and bureaucrats for no reason other than ideology. May god have mercy on my soul.
When the world collapses I'm going to become a war criminal.
No.528791
>>528778<Who A good chunk of people either thinks it or thinks something very close to it.
Even if the phraseology is (willingly) exaggerated the point still stands.
No.528792
>>528791It's a big step for sure.
No.528793
>>528789And nuclear weapons and military bases put on Russia's borders
No.528794
>>528790sad thing is there isn't going to be any war for you (and me) to die in
No.528796
>>528793could you name the nato military bases and nuclear weapons depots in ukraine pls?
No.528797
>>528794There are ideological wars always happening. This war started as a communist and nazbol uprising against Urkops. The SDF were once the PKK, a force that wanted to destroy global capitalism.
One day the final mushroom cloud will dominate the sky, then it's our time. Earth is not yet lost.
No.528798
>>528796…They haven't been put there yet, because Russia is preventing them from joining NATO (though it would take years before they'd be accepted anyways.)
No.528799
>>528798so there is no such thing as you are believing to be a sure part of nato alliance, am I getting this right?
No.528800
>>786222
I'm on the verge of supporting Putin just to see this clown world destroyed 🤡 🌎
No.528801
>>528714>deflectionAs always, tard.
No.528802
>>528799>no such thing as you are believing to be a sure part of nato alliance,No such thing as a right to join NATO? No more than I have the right to be on the Council of Foreign Relations.
No.528803
>>528802no such thing as nato alliance going along with nuclear weaponizing against russia, a literal fever dream of defenders of russian imperialism
No.528804
>>528803Your English is not great but there is literally a clause in NATO international law that says that joining NATO can't jeopardize the security of non-NATO countries. NATO doesn't want to acknowledge it.
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