>>528830yes.
Russia is imperialist though
>>5288371
Don't fall for the hype, on both sides.
Ukraine is fucking dead, but it will take more than 2 months for Russia to conclude this war in it's entirety if the ukrainian goverment isn't going to negotiate.
>>528836because you keep posting liberal nonsense
it's very easy
>>528839There is aa difference between imperialism and irredentism. Russia is not a global power, just a regional one, and this is territory that used to belong to both Tsarist Russian
and the USSR.
>>528839Russia isn't imperialist. It is expansionist. Just say "we have to stop putler from conquering ukraine!!!" and people will be like "yeah ok" do not say "we have to stop putler from
imperializing ukraine" and you wont have to deal with being corrected
>>528850The Russian federation is just one more breakaway republic of the USS. The USSR wasn't Russia, but the USSR on itself.
What the russian federation is striving for it's tzarist territory, not USSR.
>>528862>Nta, couldn't they be both?Then you'll need to explain why Israel imposing on Palestinians is imperialist but Russia imposing on Ukrainians isn't.
>Also >2000 year old irredentism kekThe amount of time matters why?
>>528839Here's your homework: you have to demonstrate how Australia is imperialist while not annexing any country.
>>528850>Russia is not a global powerWe're not in the 90s anymore, Russia is politically active in all the continents. And that's not what makes a country imperialist
>>528860Imperialism is not a stance, but a stage.
>>528860based retard.
>>528866ok, and? you're in a leftist board. we use the leftist definition. Be precise or fuck off.
>>528908Lads, this is idealism vs. materialism in action. All the Ukrainians have is ideology, constant propaganda efforts shitting up Twitter, backed by western establishment figures and bourgeoisie, plus the corporate MSM propaganda machine.
The Russians are just staying quiet and taking territory.
We'll see which approach wins.
>>528876Literally Hitler
Literally Voldemort
Literally Emperor Palpatine.
He can't keep getting way with this.
>>528948Happening threads force you to wade through a flood of shit.
Its always been like that.
>>528968fuckkkkkk
Ok I'll try.
>>528981Shallow, nihilist, infantile, you fall at least under the braindead category.
>>528982It's Russia against the western puppet government, a defeat for NATO is a win for the working people worldwide.
>>529015 (me)
I should add that the donbas protection would be justified, much much less sure about full invasion.
>>529017are they even flying the red flag?
with the current day russian federation I'd expect them to fly the tsarist yellow instead
On February 23, the Communist Party of Ukraine seems to have participated in a peace rally on the occasion of the 104th anniversary of the Soviet army. Participants issued a unanimously adopted open letter to Zelensky and the Ukrainian parliament. It was issued the day prior to the invasion, but after Russian recognition of DPR/LPR. It gives insight into the position of Ukrainian communists until some future statement. Here it is translated to the best of my ability. I added a few bracketed notes for clarity.
An open letter of appeal by the participants of the rally "Peace to the people of Ukraine!" in the city of Cherkasy to the President of Ukraine V. O. Zelensky and the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine on ending the fratricidal war in eastern Ukraine>We, the participants of the rally "Peace to the People of Ukraine!", held on the day of the 104th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Army and Navy on the Hill of Glory, appeal to the President of Ukraine V. O. Zelensky and the Verkhovna Rada [parliament] of Ukraine with a demand to take immediate measures to end the fratricidal war in eastern Ukraine.
>Further delay in resolving this fateful issue will lead to even greater human losses and to the irreversible loss of a significant portion of Ukrainian territory.
>Unfortunately, it seems that the top leadership of the state does not need this territory and the people in it.
>Apparently, such a scenario was envisaged back in 2014, when the “Bloody Pastor” Turchynov [Oleksandr Turchynov, Ukrainian politician] sent troops to eastern Ukraine, inventing the so-called anti-terrorist operation, and together with the savage Nazi volunteers launched a fratricidal war on Ukrainian citizens who had the opposite opinion from those who, with the help of the United States and some countries of the European Union, seized power by force in Ukraine.
>Probably for the same reason, President Zelensky did not want to sit at the negotiating table with the leadership of the self-proclaimed DPR and LPR and implement the Minsk agreements, even though they were approved by the UN Security Council. This was, as recent events have shown, a great mistake. Still, Volodymyr Oleksandrovych [president of Ukraine] and the People's Deputies of Ukraine should have implemented the Minsk agreements, which had no alternative, because they made it possible to save people and territory.
>We have not forgotten that Zelensky promised the people of Ukraine to become president of peace. But he did nothing to ensure peace in Ukraine, thus becoming a demon of war.
>After all, peace in eastern Ukraine depended on Zelensky, not only as President but also as Supreme Commander-in-Chief. Only he could give the command to shell the territory and the people behind the demarcation line. If he gave the command to fire, it means he did not realize that it could lead to a hot phase of the war. Or maybe he did, since such a large number of military units and military equipment was deployed to eastern Ukraine, as well as weapons and ammunition imported from the U.S., Great Britain and other NATO countries.
>Is it not to repeat the aggression of 2014-2015 under the pressure of Ukrainian Nazis and to draw Russia into this military conflict at the behest of the U.S. and NATO countries?
>And did you, the demon of war Zelensky, and you, the grantoids [“грантоїди”, “hrantoidi”, Ukrainian slur for organizations or individuals who exist on foreign grants] and the 5th column of the West in the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, think about the consequences for the people of Ukraine and its territory?
>The U.S. and most NATO member states are dreaming of a military conflict between Ukraine and Russia, and of a perpetual quarrel between the Orthodox East Slavic peoples [“східнослов’янські православні народи”], while they themselves, like jackals, tear apart Ukraine in accordance with the EU’s restitution laws.
>Isn't that why at the Munich conference on February 20 this year, Zelensky was blessed with applause for the escalation of the conflict in eastern Ukraine and the involvement of Russia in this conflict and the refusal to implement the Minsk agreements?
>We saw how it ended on February 21 in the decisions of the Russian leadership on the recognition of the self-proclaimed DPR and LPR. Maybe this will cool the hotheads and force President Zelensky and the People’s Deputies of Ukraine to find a way to a peaceful settlement of the situation in eastern Ukraine, so that peace may reign in our Ukrainian home, so that people have jobs, decent wages and pensions, affordable prices and tariffs, so that Ukraine regains its power and prosperity, as it was in the Soviet socialist period of our history. >This letter of appeal was adopted unanimously. >City of Cherkasy>February 23, 2022https://kpu.ua/uk/101170/komunisty_cherkas__za_myr_i_sotsialnu_spravedlyvist>>529025indiscriminatly shelling cities doesn't count
>>529029>its about to fall guys its literally about to fall just watch guysand you fuckers send Ukraine would fall within 24 hours
>>529038I'm indeed surprised by the fact Ukrainian forces did not shatter completely after the first 6 hours of combat.
That said they are already on their last legs after 50 hours.
>>529047oh no a single tank with a flag
the west is lost, the statue of liberty is kaput!
>>529058wtf
zoom in on the right
>>529011that Kautsky tweet sent my sides into orbit
>>786551the imperial propaganda machine is a shaadow of its former self
>>529075we're trying to exorcise the demon (ameriKKKa) otu of ukraine in here
have some faith in marx dude lol
>>529081And where do
they get their intel from?
>>529083Of course they never lie to us. You can't lie if they don't say anything.
You stupid fuckwit.
>>529107Putin is literally LITERALLY Fire Lord Ozai, literally
I like atla but the creators are pozzed unfortunately, as seen in lok
>>529094Only acceptable outcome
>>528837Best for everyone if this just ends in the next 24 hours
But Germany, France, Poland, 卐卐卐Baltics卐卐卐 and Biden have all committed to propping up the entire Ukrainian military with aid (anti-air included) if need be so doubt it
>>529156Propaganda
>>529158I usually use "boost ideology" by all Comintern members instead of this.
Very much more flavorful.
>>529155>maintain control in the long term without getting bankrupted?Niqqa Russia has been fighting al-qaeda/isil in Syria for 8 years with complete success, and these Islamists were the masters of insurgency. This is not Afghanistan in the 80s.
Why do you think they are sending the Chechens on masse (you can see the Chechens were the masters of the insurgency fight, too).
I am not predicting anything, but that scenario is highly unlikely, not impossible, tho.
>>529164>This but the US swoops in and instantly balkanizes RussiaBecause it went so well for them last time.
>>529170>Niqqa Russia has been fighting al-qaeda/isil in Syria for 8 years with complete successThey were just doing airstrikes and GRU glowie shit, most of the actual capturing and occupation of territory was being done by the SAA.
>>529170I was not thinking about the Chechens indeed.
They could be a massive wrench in glowies plans.
>>529037What are they basically saying
No to war and just sign the agreement from russia?
>>529106GET of truth
>>529180Who's his husband? Barack Obama
>>529189Free markets
>>529191Wtf is this, 150cm at most?
>>529189ethiopia built a dam
god damn, muh dam
>>529179>They were just doing airstrikes and GRU glowie shitYes, because you need to take out their artillery, tanks and military equipment insurgency. Did you not read the question?
>most of the actual capturing and occupation of territory was being done by the SAA.This is an underestimation. The real "sniper" like Richar Medhurst has pointed out, in contrast with the Hollywood movie, that killed hundreds of targets, was a Russian soldier.
The Russian army was deployed and worker altogether with the Syrian army to regain control, and they know their shit.
>>529037Based take. KRPF is shameful in comparison
>>529174I didn't know it was that bad for Egypt
>>529177Most of the world is already in one, but it's going to get even worse
>>529126Okay its a bad parody account, just saw it rt a mao account that made a thread about the JL helping the Russians
Wtf is an althusser tho? He made a thread about wife being abolished with Borat quote
Mykola Lebed (Ukrainian: Микола Кирилович Лебідь or Ле́бедь; January 11, 1909 – July 18, 1998), also known as Maksym Ruban, Marko or Yevhen Skyrba, was a Ukrainian political activist, Ukrainian nationalist, and guerrilla fighter. He was among those tried, convicted, and imprisoned for the murder of Polish Interior Minister Bronislaw Pieracki, in 1934. The court sentenced him to death, but the state commuted the sentence to life imprisonment. He escaped when the Germans invaded Poland in 1939.[1]: 73 As leader of OUN-B he is responsible for the genocide of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia.[2][3][4]
In 2009, the United States Congress directed the National Archives and Records Administration to review declassified intelligence records pertaining to the activities of the Nazis and the Japanese Imperial Government that were not processed in time for the Nazi War Crimes and Japanese Imperial Government Records Interagency Working Group's (IWG) final report in 2007.: pref. The follow-up report from the IWG's Richard Breitman and Norman J. W. Goda included a discussion of Lebed's relationship with the Central Intelligence Agency during the Cold War.: pref. In 1949 he emigrated to the United States and lived in New York. Through Prolog Research Corporation, his CIA funded organization, he gathered intelligence on the Soviet Union as late as into the late 1960s. The CIA project name for the operation was AERODYNAMIC.[1]: 85ff. The report stated that as late as 1991 the CIA, for fear of compromising the operation and triggering outrage within the Ukrainian émigré community, shielded Lebed from prosecution for war crimes by preventing the United States Department of Justice's Office of Special Investigations from learning about his wartime connections to the Nazis.: 90–91. He died in 1998.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykola_Lebed>>529174I'm wondering about covid in all of this war
How much of Ukraine is vaccinated
Will there be a new variant from this war
Ukrainian Supreme Liberation Council (UHVR) was an umbrella organization that combined various Ukrainian nationalists and anti-Soviet partisans until the early 1950s.[1]
The council was formed in July 1944. UHVR united Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA). Not all members of the Ukrainian Supreme Liberation Council were simultaneously members of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists. After the end of the Second World War, the council co-ordinated resistance efforts in Soviet Ukraine. It also organised the boycott of the Soviet-sponsored elections in 1946. After the liquidation of Roman Shukhevych in 1950 by the Soviet authorities, most members of the council were arrested, and the council ceased to exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Supreme_Liberation_CouncilMembers of UHVR abroad headed by Ivan Hrynokh formed External Representation group of the council (ZP UHVR), which popularised the efforts of the Ukrainian dissident movement in the West.
With the amalgamation of Western Ukraine by the Soviets, father Hrynokh traveled to Krakow where he preached and was active in Ukrainian politics. He became the chaplain to the Nachtigall Battalion. After the dissolution of the Battalion, he participated in the 3rd Great Conference of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists which took place in Ukraine in 1943, and was one of the instigators of the Ukrainian Supreme Liberation Council where he was elected Vice President in July 1944.
In this position he fulfilled a diplomatic mission in talks with the Romanian and Hungarian governments. He was sent to the West to find alliances for the UPA with the Allied forces and traveled via Prague to Germany settling in Munich. In 1950 he became the head of the foreign section of the UHVR which he chaired until 1980. Simultaneously he was the head of the Society for foreign studies and founded the newspaper "Suchasna Ukraina" (Contemporary Ukraine), "Ukrainska Literaturna hazeta" (The Ukrainian literary newspaper) and the magazine "Suchasnist'" (Today).
He continued teaching theology and philosophy in seminaries in Hischberg, Kulenburg and was a professor at the Ukrainian Free University in Munich.
With the release by the Soviets of Metropolitan Joseph Slipyj in 1963 a Ukrainian Catholic University was established in Rome where he became professor. He was one of the founders of the Patriarchal movement for the Ukrainian-Catholic Church.
Father Ivan Hrynokh died October 14, 1994 in Munich at the age of 87.
He was buried in Pennsylvania.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Hrynokh>>529209>meanwhile real Ukrainian pilots:<Dessertion to Romania>>529211I don't see shrinking of the line from Chernobyl:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=180u1IkUjtjpdJWnIC0AxTKSiqK4G6Pez&ll=50.38832249037126%2C32.070017903850186&z=8Also, they have surrounded almost Mariupol from all sides. And taking Zaporizhizkia, and have already Sumy.
Perhaps, early morning 25th?
>>529132Sauce?
Big if true
>>529231HE KEEPS GETTING MORE POWERFUL.
BIDEN PLEASE STOP HIM.
>>529236>be schizo commie larper>join Russian militia>get to become a literal tankie fighting Nazis with a USSR flagholy based
>>529243praying for this stream to survive
>In 1928, Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) , as formed in Prague. It was led by WW1 veterans in Western Europe and younger nationalists in western Ukraine known as Galicia.
>After the OUN leader was killed in 1938, the organization split into two factions, led by Andriy Melnyk and Stepan Bandera respectively. They both called themselves the OUN, but the OUN(m) and OUN(b), also written OUN-M and OUN-B, denotes their factions
>It was an appropriately somber day that I finally made the trip to South Bound Brook, New Jersey to visit the grave of the Ukrainian nationalist leader Mykola Lebed — a Nazi collaborator and war criminal who worked for the CIA throughout the Cold War — and the memorial he helped establish at St. Andrew’s Ukrainian cemetery.
>Thirty-five years ago, in 1984, his longtime partner in crime Ivan Hrinioch, a Greek Catholic priest with ties to Nazis and Vatican intelligence “led a procession of hundreds of Ukrainians to the unveiling and blessing of [this] memorial dedicated to the unknown soldiers of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA).” After the war, the CIA recruited Hrinioch as its principal agent in early postwar Ukrainian operations
>According to accepted propaganda, UPA, formed in 1943, heroically fought both the Nazis and Soviets as the partisan militant leg of the OUN(b), the fanatical Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists led by Stepan Bandera.
>In reality, the UPA prioritized the mass murder of Poles and Jews behind Nazi lines in western Ukraine before it terrorized Ukrainian “traitors” and “collaborators” under Soviet occupation. https://historicly.substack.com/p/a-nazi-memorial-in-new-jersey>>529254>[…]Ivan Dmytryk, a Suchasnist contributor, is among the forty other UPA veterans buried in South Bound Brook, New Jersey. In addition to Lebed, Prokop, and Lopatinsky, the same goes for at least three other members of the zpUHVR: Bohdan Kruk, Mykola Haliw, and Lev Shankovsky. This means at least a handful of CIA assets were buried here, and perhaps significantly more. It’s certainly possible that a large share of those buried in the UPA section of St. Andrew’s Ukrainian cemetery were affiliated with the CIA-backed zpUHVR, as opposed to the Bandera/Stetsko-led ZChOUN/OUN(b).
>According to Stephen Dorril, Bohdan Kruk was “sometimes referred to as the Director of the UPA [Medical Service and/or OUN(b)] Red Cross,” led the OUN-UPA effort to “pacify the [Galician] countryside” of “Soviet partisan activity” in late 1943, and was an early member of the zpUHVR. Kruk participated in the UPA’s 1947 “Great Raid to the West,” that is, the American Zone of occupied Germany, from which he and others eventually resettled in the United States and elsewhere. Mykola Haliw’s grave has “zpUHVR” on the tombstone, and declassified CIA files indicate the Agency had some sort of interest in him, at least in 1962.
>“OUN historian” Lev Shankovsky, another early member of the zpUHVR, and a “special correspondent” for Suchasnist, joined an AERODYNAMIC “Psychological Warfare Panel” chaired by Mykola Lebed in the 1950s. Among other things, it was tasked to “begin a systematic collection of names of personalities in the Ukraine who the panel feels have been designated as Soviet ‘sleepers’ in the Ukraine. In the event of a hot war and should the Ukraine be occupied by a Western power, these people will propagate the Soviet cause.” (During World War 2, Lebed supplied Nazis the names of Polish professors who were then shot.) In 1960, Shankovsky declared that organized anti-Semitism “never existed in Ukraine. But there exists a myth about Ukrainian anti-Semitism.”
>Also buried among the Ukrainian Insurgent Army veterans at St. Andrew’s Ukrainian cemetery in South Bound Brook, New Jersey is the late chairman of its UPA “memorial building committee,” Julian Kotlar, a former executive publisher and vice-chair of “Litopys UPA.” The latter began as a revisionist history project “published jointly by two UPA veterans’ organizations,” one Canadian and the other from the United States. In the 1970s, the CIA was happy to report that “many student groups and intellectuals [in North America] have established close ties” with the zpUHVR, which was then affiliated with the Association of Former Members of the UPA in the US and Canada, plus two obscure “civic organizations [the Association for Free Ukraine and Ukrainian-Canadian Society]…which have branches in various cities in both countries.” A former head of the Litopys UPA “publication committee” and “the so-called ‘spiritus movens’ behind the entire endeavor,” Dr. Modest Ripeckyj of Chicago, was (formerly, if not actively) a member of the Ukrainian Supreme Liberation Council. “I don’t know how the heck we are going to proceed, because he was extremely important to the project,” a leader of the Canadian UPA veteran society said when Ripeckyj died in 2004.
>That being said, Litopys UPA and the organized UPA vets were probably more influenced by the OUN(b) than the zpUHVR. By 2001, the “Chronicle of the UPA” found a new friend in the notoriously problematic Volodymyr Viatrovych, who is affiliated with the present-day OUN(b). If not already, he was soon made the deputy director of a “Litopys UPA Publishing House” in Lviv, and in 2002 became the director of an OUN(b) “Center for Research of the Liberation Movement,” also in Lviv. As it were, the archives of the zpUHVR’s Prolog Research Corporation, which shut down in 1992, are today at the OUN(b) Research Center. From 2008 to 2010, Viatrovych directed the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU)’s archives, after which Harvard University’s Ukrainian Research Institute invited him to study Mykola Lebed’s papers. Following the 2013–2014 “Revolution of Dignity,” Viatrovych was appointed to head the Ukrainian Institute of National Remembrance. In 2015, he participated in several events with Ukrainian-American leaders honoring Stepan Bandera and the OUN-UPA in the United States.[…] >>529252Yes. As I said actual brain disease.
>>529251Didn't take them long to come up with a new propaganda figurehead after the so called Ghost of Kiev supposedly got shot down, didn't they?
>>529267Seems interesting. While fascism in Russia is
born in Russia because (some, small section) people lose faith in communism, the Ukrainian fascism born abroad, as a result of NATO.
>>529292Author said it was a joke in /uhg/ Somebody had a screencap posted in this thread
They already made a wiki, ffs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_of_Kyiv What the fuck
>>529302Share it.
And remember - the same westerners that didn't want to die for Danzig or Prague, were perfectly willing to die for Helsinki.
>WHY HASN'T RUSSIA TAKEN OVER KIEV YET?!
it took 16 days for american troops to enter baghdad in their invasion of iraq, a country half the size of ukraine. also putin has forbidden the army from using anything other than high-precision attacks and to solely attack confirmed military targets, while the us military had virtually no restrictions on prevent collateral damage on the civilian population as they steamrolled through the country. stop with this fantasy that russia can occupy kiev in a few days especially under these circumstances, a huge city with countless high-rise buildings where snipers can hide in residential apartment windows which gives a massive defensive advantage against a military forbidden from potentially causing any civilian casualties, and stop believing CNN chyrons blaring in capital letters that "russia will take kiev in 72 hours", it's not physically possible, they are for-profit entertainers and political stenographers not military experts.
putin is not stalin, he is a liberal, he does not want to be known in the history books for causing enormous casualties, and he's economically a neoliberal who believes one of the mistakes of the USSR was controlling so much territory and subsidizing several countries and that you can't financially sustain occupying and rebuilding such a massive territory like ukraine with a hostile population. to successfully occupy all of ukraine for the long term would require martial law and war communism, which putin opposes because he is ideologically a liberal, he denounced both lenin and stalin for being "totalitarian" in his recent speech. don't get the wrong idea about putin, the dude's not a "kgb agent looking to restore the soviet union" like the american neo-cons, poles and lithuanians profess
>>529302Ironically every single liberal shitty take is making me support Putin even more.
If it wasn't for the libs I wouldn't give a shit about 2 horrible oligarch countries going to war, but now I want Putin to win just to see libs crying.
Cuckraine should be part of Russia again.
>>529318We have higher expectations of Russia than we do of NATOuighurs.
I want "Russian Bias" to disappear.
>>529318I don't understand this calling putin a neoliberal
The guy nationalized a lot of private buisness and believed in a strong state led economic policy
He's a dirigsme guy which is quite different than neoliberal
>>529293NOT CLOSE ENOUGH
I NEED RUSSIAN TANKS IN MAIDAN SQUARE NAO
>>529330He's been nationalizing since way back in the way early 2010s and I think even before that
And his economic hero im not fucking joking is park chung hee, the literal dirigsme guy
Maybe some privatization but other than that as long as he lives I'm not surprised if russia remains dirigsme
>>529273the dnieper augur, 69 kills (confirmed), 420 (unconfirmed), new record for a half-blood (muggle on mother's part)
the jedi from karkhiv: unknown amount of kills (not enough midichlorians to confirm)
>>529322Based
Arm yourselves with nuclear weapons if you don't want superpowers to invade you
Good on Putin for advancing the dialectic
>>529023Good lord, these retards compare everything with fiction.
This is what happens when someone doesn't read Marx. Or even non-fiction in general.
>>529343What kind of brainlet take is that? How does recognizing DNR and LNR
prevent war?
>>529325will they allow it?
>>529334boost morale. They are trying hard to have a mix in between to portray the oppressed weak Ukrainian that needs your help and the strong macho Ukrainian. Pure idealism.
>>529343Bot account, from 2014 no activity, and literally started to post from Feb 8.
https://cprf.ru/2022/02/the-people-of-ukraine-must-not-be-a-victim-of-world-capital-and-oligarchic-clans-statement-of-the-cprf-cc-presidium%ef%bf%bc/Real statement of the KPFR. Don't bite bot accounts.
>>529362>>529366>Bot account, from 2014 no activity, and literally started to post from Feb 8.Retard you can google the quote: "Голосуя за признание ДНР/ЛНР я голосовал за мир, а не за войну."
It's on Russian/Ukrainian news right now.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2022/02/26/7325997/https://tvrain.ru/news/golosuja_za_priznanie_dnrlnr_ja_golosoval_za_mir_esche_odin_deputat_gosdumy_vystupil_protiv_vojny_s_ukrainoj-548699/ >>529360Ukraine was already emboldened by NATO, nbody else recognizes the separatists, the West is perfectly fine with dead Ruskis,
any help they give to them will be considered an act of aggression regardless of what Russia says or does, anything short of complete submission to the West will be labeled as Russian aggression and imperialism no matter what.
It's a bit late for "bissful indernashnul cooperation".
>>529371>com.uathe real pravda is
https://www.pravda.ru/Well, the comments came from
https://web.telegram.org/z/#-1363547346But seems weird. The first time he posted was in 2019, and doesn't seem to be an account from the rael owner they claim it is.
Read the first post in 2019:
>Happy red calendar day! Sitting on the couch in the State Duma, and reading telegrams, I came to the final decision to launch my own author's telegram channel. There are several reasons. One of them is that in the Samara segment, several channels exploit my last name at once, misleading some of the readers with my authorship. One of them even offered to buy himself for me. With 500 subscribers :) What's the point, if you can start your own, gaining twice as much in a couple of days? (well, I'm so presumptuous).
>The main thing is that Telegram has taken place as a special segment of the free Russian Internet, not replacing Twitter, Facebook, LiveJournal and other platforms. It has its own life, and the interpenetration of information.
>I wanted to call the channel Comment Matveev. Or Matveev comments. But the experienced telegrammer @obuhovpro cut off: "Matveev's comment". In short, subscribe!Don't over-hype. We are in war time and everything might be fed. Only when public statements are published is when you react.
>>529361>>529361So I Looked at your source and its kinda eh it mentions nationalization from 2004 to 2008 and then mentions privatization from only the 2011 to 2015 period
Meanwhile if I google it the nationalization or increase of state control seems to have resumed starting from the 2015 or 2016
So the only period where massive privatization happened was 4 years under what was basically putins long ass reign
Idk I will research this further out of good faith to see if you are right
>>529408lul wut
No seriously I haven't been on leftypol in ages what the fuck happened?
>>529395 (me)
being said this, if in that telegram channel you find a video of the guy saying his name, the name of his account, you may prove me wrong. But def, seems fed posting. Smells it.
>>529414 (me)
>>529395 (me)
The last reasoning is the number of followers. If communists are highly popular, you don't expect one Douma deputy of the communist party to have 2k followers only in a country of 145kk.
>>529425Isn't edrogan a putin style dictator
And don't a. Lot of turks still support him
>>529406TWENTY EIGHT CHECHEN MACHINES
COMING TO FUCK AZOV BUTTS
>>529417>he was literally one of our most prolific namefags for the first year or two of the boardaw I never saw anymore christ-com.
Source?
I feel we have poltards pretending to be communists with a higher level of training for months now.
>>529412Nah, that doesn't mean too much. I know a leaf boy in Canada, high friend of mine, and he has critical support for Russia. He was a Bernie fan. He is litearlly the meme of radicalized by Bernie but in ML direction, not Maoist direction.
His confession is that he found a guy named something-something don't remember, in Moon of Alabama and that changed his life.
>>529433Doubtful. Found and executed, maybe.
The fact that we keep getting footage, and no actual infrastructure has been really damaged really shows how much restraint Russian military is under.
>>529429>>529429Ah well, seems more legit. Fair enough. Well, let's see how this ends because it's one deputy. Either the party might split or it is this one alone, he might just jump off the wagon.
This his bio:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B5%D0%B2,_%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BB_%D0%9D%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
>He does not attribute himself to any political movements, emphasizing his own independence and non-partisanship [19] , in Samara he is considered a left-wing politician, according to a number of statements[ what? ] can be attributed to the social democrats with some influence of national democratic views.
>At the end of 2017, he joined the Communist Party [36]. He explained his decision with the desire to "strengthen the party and turn it into an influential political force in the region and an instrument for solving the tasks that our many supporters set before us." However, despite the assumptions of experts that "joining the party makes him the number one candidate for the position of the first secretary of the Samara Regional Committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation", the politician very quickly faced noticeable opposition to his advancement within the party both from the party bureaucracy and from business structures. and the authorities that have interests and influence on the internal processes in the party, who tried to challenge his leadership by blocking the receipt of any status in the regional party branch. As a result, Matveev did not take any posts in the regional branch, remaining an ordinary member of the party. [37]> >>529468…like liberals?
>>529466Bring me that source >3
>>529474have you seen communists protesting and taking the streets? the only thing I saw was liberals.
>kysOk radlib.
>>529475>>529476Aw, what a downer.
Anyway, seems nothingburger until the central committee actually changes posture.
>>529478>have you seen communists protesting and taking the streets?A coalition of socialist parties (including some actually principled KPRF members) have already issued a statement in opposition to the war, so presumably they have a presence among the antiwar demonstrations.
>the only thing I saw was liberalsHow did you acquire this amazing power to know people's political opinions just by looking at them?
>>529481mmmm meh seems a weird statement, to put it mildly: It's a weak statement.. To put it mildly, he didn't oppose the war, but says he wishes that this thing arrived at this point. Seems very… normal? like no one in here approves this war, and all in here we don't like it, but reached to this point, move on? that kinda point.
>>529484>How did you acquire this amazing power to know people's political opinions just by looking at them?by not seeing red flags, no Lenin shirts, and purely blu/yellow dried hair and harry potter books?
>>529488<Russia is fighting neither Ukraine or Ukrainians>What did they mean by this?The Russian position is that their military operations are not for territorial conquest.
I'm not sure what de-nazification means in practical terms exactly, but my guess is that they are targeting the factions that are unironic Ukranian neonazis alongside with everybody that aligned too closely with the pro US coup in the euromaidan. They are basically promising that after this is over, the Ukraine will remain intact as a country minus the republics like in Donetsk and Luhansk.
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