No.532691
NEW: A senior Canadian official tells me that Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland has been working the phones since Tuesday to build support for cutting Russia off from its foreign currency reserves.
It looks like the EU has reached consensus on that point tonight.
https://twitter.com/Justin_Ling/status/1497714704327876614?s=20&t=dfAVOtNxpCO0W-7kp7iwSQ No.532693
>>532691day of the rake when?
No.532694
>>532691I seriously hate that nazi whore so much
No.532695
>>532692RIA is owned by russian big booj
No.532696
GIMME A SITREP COMRADES I'M COMIN IN FROM FIELDS OF GRASS
No.532698
So, are liberals going to kill themself when Ukraine surrenders? They are very emotionally invested in this war, especially retards like Voush, and Kharkov, Mariupol and Kiev will like likely fall in the next hours.
No.532699
>>532695It's Russian state information agency, yes
No.532701
>>532697Slavs think they’re white and european. Emphasis on think
No.532703
>>532699Take it with a grain of salt
No.532705
This war has convinced me that American leftists are just liberals that want social policies
Literal social liberals
No.532706
Reminder that Russia has the opposite historical relationship to Nazis that Ukraine has
No.532707
>>532701thank god we're not wh*te
No.532710
>>532698they gonna cope and seethe, then when the investigastions post war debunk the trash they where saying in the war they gonna gaslight their cultists and watchers into believen that they never said that.
No.532714
>>532707Если вы были белыми, я вы вас не уважал
No.532715
>>532705>movie recommendationLa Haine
>snack recommendationKremowka
No.532717
How much will the sanctions hurt Russia? Won’t they still be able to trade with China, India, Iran, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Syria, Venezuela, et cetera?
No.532718
>>532698surrounding the cities wouldn't surprise me, but urban warfare takes time and blood
No.532719
>>532698They will cope massively for about an hour before eventually making up a new worldview where they were right all along. Libtards never admit they were actually wrong
No.532723
>>532717Ukraine literally begged India to talk to Russia and India refused, because apparently ukraine was doing some shit with pakistan
No.532724
>>532723Fun thing is, Russia has relationships with India+Pakistan, kek.
No.532725
>>532698voosh will literally travel to ukraine to join Azov battalion but they reject him for being too fat.
No.532726
>>532718>but urban warfare takes time and bloodPutin will use chechens for that, so no one will care
No.532728
>>532724And you have no idea how much that irritates both of them
No.532731
>>532726I hope he does. Everyone who considers themselves european in europe is a neoliberal scumbag. (Vis-a-vis “french”, “german”, etc.)
No.532732
>>532726Still gonna take more than a day tho
No.532734
>>532701more like europeans think slavs are "white"
t. slav
No.532735
>>532733>internet pollnice try maoautist
No.532736
Guys, post habbening quotes
It didn't have to end like this.
No.532738
>>532733This a online survey on a website that anyone can vote on by visiting the website. It's totally meaningless
A poll done by a pollster that takes into population, age is what matters
No.532739
Russian forces have YET to take Kiev
This might be a hot take so get ready
I think Putler fucked up massively, by "showing his hand" so to speak he has assured the USA and NATO that the Russian army is a joke that can't even take the capital of a backwards state like Ukraine that is using conventional warfare in three days
No.532742
Dugin was right lmao
No.532745
>>532737PUTILLA THE HUN WILL TRAMPLE THE WEAK ATLANTICISTS ARMIES
No.532747
>>532737ASIATIC HORDES
=THROAT SINGING=
No.532748
>>532737VLENGHIS KHATINi need moar
No.532749
>>532734Слава богу, что я индус
No.532750
Will Kiev become Sarajevo, Grozny or Baghdad?
No.532751
>>532722the blitzkrieg against France took 6 weeks to succeed
No.532752
The war is lost boys maybe next time
No.532753
>>532712Explain to me how this dedollarizes?
No.532757
>>532737All hail the fourth political theory
All hail eurasia
All hail dugin
All hail putin
No.532759
BREAKING NEWS HOLY SHIT
RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE GUYS, HAPPENING
No.532761
>>532737I have said about four times in these threads that Putin is a Pan-Mongolist irredentist and y'all still playin'
No.532762
>>532734a mixture of Pyongyang and Kabul
No.532763
>>532753>People don't use the dollar.>Thus the dollar isn't global.>Thus dedollarization.It ain't that hard dude.
No.532764
>>532733no, that's stupid. the ruling class brainwashes the population and shapes the realities it wants through its control of the institutions. it takes a lot for regular people to resist the programming. burgers have been bombarded with one opinion and one point of view over this, and surprise, most of them have that point of view.
No.532769
>>532763>PeopleIsn't it only Russia that is being sanctioned from using the dollar?
No.532770
>>532735>maoautist>not maotistRetard moment
No.532772
>>532759NO WAY RLY PR000000000000FS???????
No.532773
>>532733>we shouldnt punish them with sanctions and whatnot>weyou're glowing
No.532776
>>532739Kiev has over 3 million people, the only way any army takes a city that large that fast is if the other side doesn't fight back. Was hoping it'd fall so this would end, if Ukraine resists this could get seriously long and bloody.
No.532778
>>532776>Kiev has over 3 million peoplenot after so many people escaped
No.532779
>>532769Yes, but that may oush them to more trade with China that uses the Yuan and is looking to expand the usage of the Yuan, which it uses to trade with many other states
No.532780
I just wanted to hug Sabby
No.532782
>>532737GLOBAL RUS YOKE SOON
No.532783
>>532741All i heard was
<uncivilized news pundit hopes for raging conflict No.532785
>>532778Fair, but still. Conquering major cities usually takes a while in modern wars.
t. followed Syria closely
No.532786
Divisions on the left break down two ways
1. This war is caused by the contradiction between liberalism's universal and equal idea of rights, processes, and so on with the arbitrary nature of autocracy
2. This was is caused by how the liberal international order isn't any higher than the history Russia operates on, and under unipolarity actually did the most to reproduce it (creating modern Ukrainian nationalism etc)
Which one is correct?
No.532790
>>532779It would've been better of Germany abstained and continued trading with Russia which would've truly accelerated dedollarization even more so if this is the case. I say this because of Germany's strategic position in the world stage.
No.532791
>>532786Neither, it's just a bog-standard fight over who gets to exploit a particular group of proles justified to both publics with nationalism and "muh clay" stuff
No.532792
Do actuall ukrainians even care about "ghost of iyiv", snake island and the other shit twitter and reddit made up?
To me as a russian, it seems that they are just diselussioned with NATO and EU at this point and euromaidan will never happen again.
No.532793
>>532786Unipolarity also created the sorry state of modern Russia as much as its current oligarchs did
No.532794
>>532792It is just for burger regime change media
No.532795
>>532792Медиа порют эту хуйню для нас в США и вообще в Западе.
No.532796
>>532792>snake island"Russian Warship, go fuck yourself" is basically new "no pasaran", nobody cares if these people died or not though
No.532798
>>532796>"Russian Warship, go fuck yourself" is basically new "no pasaran", nobody cares if these people died or not thoughSay that again and I'll fucking shoot you.
No.532799
>>532792I'm sure the pro-war portion of Ukrainian society (how large it is remains hard to say) wants morale boosting stories as badly as the redditors do, and aces and martyrs are common things to celebrate when you aren't winning any actual battles.
No.532800
>do something the US/the West doesn't like
>get pushed out of the global financial system, being able to do business with most of the world
How is this OK? How is this not imperialism? I know this mostly affects porkies and doesn't really apply to the working class, but still.
No.532801
>>792469
Have you tried not being a faggoty faggot?
No.532802
>2 days post invasion
>2 (two)
<Hehe the invasion is slowing down and Putin is losing
<they havent even taken kiev yet
Why are you ADHD retards like this?
No.532803
>>532786>This war is caused by… idealismno
>This war is caused by… realpolitikno
Read theory
No.532804
>>532798Which part did offend you?
No.532805
>>532803Why did it happen
No.532806
>>532800Except it does affect the working class, because guess who feels the sanctions the hardest?
No.532807
How do you explain to liberals that untargeted sanctions is a form of collective punishment and completely barbaric without being called a putin shill
No.532808
>>532797uyghas was wild back in the day
No.532809
>>532804the part where you defend the nazis in power and pass it off as anti-fascism?
No.532810
>>792476
>Ukrainians
>Fighting fascism
Pick one
No.532812
>>532797Nazis do be projecting
No.532813
>>532811you emotional moron, he was talking about how the phrase was being utilized, it is ANALOGOUS to "No pasaran"
No.532816
>>532807You don't anything away from the NATO line is being a Putin shill to libs good luck!
No.532817
>>532797Did the people who made that painting think it would make me feel sorry for them?
The fascists got what they deserved, no more, no less
No.532818
>>532807point out that sanctions don't actually produce the desired result (it's a decades-old tactic, they empirically don't work) and amount to impoverishing ordinary people with no say in politics out of spite
No.532822
>>532815Im not reading that sex obsessed socdem
No.532823
>>532811Didn't republicans pull the similar "give guns to the civs" trick in Madrid though?
No.532824
>>792488
Which civilians, now? Also, Zelensky could literally have said they would honor the Minsk agreement and none of this would have happened
No.532825
>>792488
>>Russians killing tens of thousands of civilians
Lol
No.532826
>>532815>rape and castrationvery informative
No.532827
>>532807the liberals would like to clusterbomb Moscow.
No.532828
>>532820 you are wrong Russia is committing war crimes against civilians
No.532831
>>532815Zizek is a liberal at this point. Literally the academic version of Vaaush.
No.532833
>>532824They said they're complying with the Minsk agreements.
Right before they started shelling Donbass.
No.532835
guys stop fighting let's all be friends
No.532836
>>532835shut the fuck up or I'm going to invade you
No.532837
>>532788>>532791>>532793Thx for replying
>>532803Kek basically
Also isn't the number 2 realist option just an application of Marxism if you see the history as constructed not essential and 'real interest' based
No.532839
>>532833Then they shouldn’t have shelled Donbass. Either way, the Ukrainian gov was responsible for what is happening to the country
No.532841
>>792513
I am going to sabotage you
No.532843
>>532840 no you fuck putin. tankie
No.532844
>>532833I get the sense the Ukrainian president doesn't actually control the people shelling Donbass, the situation seems more analogous to Imperial Japan (which also had elections until like 1940) than any states in NATO
No.532845
>>532835Will you be my friend?
No.532847
Bros did Comrade Putler hit the genocide button yet?
No.532848
>>532839There were not planning any offensive operations, their actions were purely defensive in character. :^)
t. Ukrainian army brass
No.532849
>>792513
>No specific examples of dead civilians
I accept your concession
No.532850
>>532831Wouldn't go that far. His main retardation is analyzing current events like this war as if he was analyzing movies. It's his own limitation and pure ideology.
BTW, this directly follows from his break with Althusser, who emphasized the material basis of ideologies (state institutions, family, etc.) while Zizek's "radical" (retrograde, really) step is to completely desubstantialize it.
No.532851
>>792532
>Poland
dont you have refugees to let die from hypothermia?
No.532852
>>532835We're working on it (an end to imperialist wars via worldwide socialist revolution) proles everywhere deserve better
No.532854
>>792532
you bad
No.532856
>>792532
sklej pizde i wypierdalaj
No.532857
>>792532
Excuse me sir, are you advocating for the death of civilians?
No.532858
>>532848Да хватит подъебывать)
No.532859
>>792532
>pooland
No.532860
YOU KNOW WHAT
I'M FUCKING TIRED OF YOUR SHIT
FUCK IT
天上太阳红呀红彤彤诶
心中的太阳是毛泽东诶
他领导我们得解放诶
人民翻身当家做主人
咿呀咿吱呦喂
呀而呀吱呦啊
人民翻身当家做主人
天上太阳红呀红彤彤诶
心中的太阳是毛泽东诶
他领导我们奋勇向前进诶
革命江山一耶一片红诶
咿呀咿吱呦喂
呀而呀吱呦啊
革命江山一片红(诶)
No.532861
>>532805Why does any imperialist war happen? Because there can only be one sitting at the top. Russia does not like the hand it is being dealt, so Russia is rebelling against the American order. Pretty fucking obvious if you read theory.
No.532862
>>532802I think its genuine delusion at this point, they truly believe that the russian leadership planned to take Ukraine in a day and so conclude that russia is losing.
No.532864
>>532844>fucking newfagsZelensky declared they would de-occupy the temporarily occupied territory of Crimea in the following months back in March. Which is the reason for Russian build-up in the first place.
No.532865
>>792532
enjoy being indentured servitude for some german porky you faggot
No.532866
>>792532
you know pooland will end like greece right ?
No.532867
>>532861I thought you were gonna redpill me on some postmodern hetero shit
Thats pretty basic and ok
No.532868
>>792532
Człowiecze twój kraj daj dupę Niemcom. A zaraz mi to mówisz?
No.532869
>>532835How can we? one anons critical support is a little more critical and the other is less critical. This means one anon is a NATO cuck and the other a Putin cuck. while deep down we all just critically support a Russian victory! BIG DIFFERENCES!!!
No.532870
>>792539
That would be the best, but a news report would do nicely
No.532872
>>792556
You already posted this one
No.532873
>>532828 and your committing pro fascist propaganda
No.532874
>>532860defend this dengoids
No.532875
>>532732Light infantry vanguards penetrated very deeply into the city yesterday already, so its not a stretch.
No.532876
>>532873 there were no fascists in Ukraine
No.532877
>>532689Captured Russian soldier crying.
"I don't want to be here, I don't want to be here!"
No.532878
>>792532
When's the last time you won a war again?
No.532881
>>532879 Russian propaganda footage
No.532883
>>792556
Naprawdę myślisz, że czek jest transgendernym?
No.532884
>>792564
Ok but youre still gonna end up like Greece but more racist you western cuck
No.532885
>>532877This guy is Spetznas and crying?
No.532886
>>532835What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in Spetsnaz, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Georgia, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire Russian armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the Serbia and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Russian Naval Infantry and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
No.532887
>>532880It dosent, all you can hope fore is a swift end to this episode of NATO expansion
No.532888
>>532877do ukrops not realize how desperate they seem making fake videos like this
No.532889
>>532880Fuck USA, fuck the EU and fuck NATO. ez
No.532891
>>792556
But (Russian) transhumanists are cheering today because it was their goal all along.
No.532892
>>532881 how retared you have to be I've supported the anti fascists before the war in Ukraine
No.532893
>>532880The ML take is revolutionary defeatism, which is of course wrong as ML is shit as proven by there being no ML states around except revisionist shit like north korea.
No.532895
Just woke up, tldr of happenings in last 14 hours before I check the news, anyone?
No.532896
>>532893too based for some
No.532897
>>532892 those were not anti fascists kremlin>>532892
bot
No.532898
>>532894I mean, was this posted by the Ukrainian MoD on Twitter?
No.532899
>>532893This is a word salad
No.532900
>>532893>>532896What is the correct vein of marxism and that veins correct take?
No.532901
>>532877Am I supposed to believe this? Why are ukrops wasting so much time?
No.532902
nothing is happening I guess
No.532903
>>532899You're in the wrong place, /pol/. You fucking idiot.
No.532904
>>532889is Russia not guilty of imperialism too?
No.532905
>>792587>>532895whad de fug
No.532906
>>532895You are being liberated, stand still
No.532907
>>792590
Seething literal polack
No.532908
>>532767this won't save them from the azov nazis once shit gets really bad unfortunately
No.532909
>>792590
>Being this desperate for (you)
I heard that if you post gore and gay porn people give you (you)'s
No.532912
>>532904To a much lesser and less bloodier extent, sure.
No.532913
>>532877I feel bad for this Russian soldier. Probably some young conscript sent into the fray. Doesn't want to be there. Doesn't want to die for Putin's insane imperialist ambitions. Just wants to be at home with his family. Has a full life ahead of him. At least he's a prisoner now, and away from combat, maybe he'll live thru this and hopefully go home with some anger towards Putin and his imperialist government.
No.532914
>>792590
>murdered civilians
hello where are the proofs
No.532915
>>792590
Why duct-taping this officer?
No.532916
>>532893Revolutionary defeatism is correct, M-L problems are not with that but with what happens afterwards
No.532917
>>792605
Then go back to Plebbit, crying about horseshoes.
No.532918
>>532913>ImperialismYou really gonna refuse to learn what imperialism is, will you?
No.532920
>>532913The same goes for Ukrainian deserters.
No.532921
guys let's be nice now, we can all make communism
No.532922
>>792605
Czy jesteś ten polaczek?
No.532923
>>532880The correct take is revolutionary defeatism. Meaning, Marxist-Leninists should hope for Russia's defeat and Ukraine's victory in the imperialist war, and hope that even further this inspires an anti-Putin revolution (hopefully socialist, but tbh anything to expunge the oligarchical filth, even if its just basic bitch SocDemmery.)
No.532924
Pooland, aka shithole
No.532925
>>532837realpolitik is a bourgeois construct that mystifies the relations between states
"russia is going to war because if ukraine joins NATO that infringes upon russia's security" blah blah blah DOESN'T TELL US ANYTHING ABOUT WHY NATO AND RUSSIA ARE ANTAGONISTIC ENTITIES OR WHY NATO BORDERING RUSSIA IS A BIG DEAL
IT ASSUMES THAT WE "KNOW" BY WAY OF "COMMON SENSE" (WE DON'T)
No.532926
>>532921Would you try to kill me?
No.532927
>>532920Sorry delusional Putin bot, there aren't many of those. Usually there aren't many deserters when you're fighting against an imperialist aggressor like Russia.
No.532928
>>792618
Ale ci nie pomoże.
No.532930
>>792615
>Belgorod, Russia
It's not even in, and they're shitting themselves.
No.532931
>>792623
They will probably be shot at the border
No.532932
>>532920They're shooting the ones who flee so yeah
No.532933
>>532923That's not revolutionary defeatism. Still based.
No.532934
>>792623
To replace the polish ones who went abroad, I presume
No.532935
>>5329133/10 should've fit imperialist in there more
No.532936
>>792618
The only people who seem to support it are hyper-online smoothbrained morons who are incapable of admitting that Russia is an imperialist state.
Just a bunch of western Putin shills that would shit their pants if they had to try and justify their beliefs in person to someone.
No.532937
>>532933That's literally revolutionary defeatism tho?
No.532939
>>532905I'm just retarded, I forgot if my trip had one hash or two, it should begin with "/uk"
No.532941
>>532936this tbh, critical support to neonazis against imperial agression
No.532942
>>532926I will buy you dinner, ask you very nicely and if you say yes, fuck you in the ass
No.532944
>>532942I don't want to be fucked!
No.532945
>>792642
Jeszcze wkurwiasz się? Jezu
No.532947
ах ах трахни меня да трахни меня
No.532948
>>532944Then you won’t, but I will buy you dinner and ask you
No.532949
>>792642
Hohols literally bombed Kiev while blaming it on Russia lol
No.532950
@792622
@792642
@792605
@792590
@792570
Meds, take them
No.532951
>>532925Realpolitik does have an opinion as to why, it holds that great powers will always compete until one can achieve global hegemony
No.532952
>>532947куда тебя трахать?
No.532953
>>532880>r/genzedongWhat no theory does to a mf: The subreddit.
>ok so what's the anti-imp/ML take on this?Its a senseless slaughter, as most wars are. The only sensible position to take is hope for peace as quickly as possible. As a communist, you dont have a side here. I dont see how either Russian victory or defeat would help bring about the revolution.
No.532955
>>532929His generals probably told him in a briefing: "its either now or never" and he greenlighted the operation.
No.532956
>>792655
Except for that hole in that building that could only have come from the defending side.
No.532957
really is insane how much one autist can fuck up a thread
No.532958
>>532957that's what lack of info does to a sticky
No.532959
>>532957I feel embarrassed for the polish as a whole, much less our polish comrades, that they breath the same air as him
No.532960
>>532941>the country with an elected Jewish president is neo-naziYou and the people who keep calling Ukraine neo-nazi are so stupid that the only possible cure for it is a 9mm round through the roof of your mouth. You won't die or anything, so this isn't me saying to kill yourself, but the ballistic damage might actually do your brain some good.
No.532961
I would bet ten thousand yuan-backed rubles that Ukraine will call this a genocide eventually
No.532962
>>532957Mods should be more ban happy imo.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) No.532964
>>532951Until one can achieve global hegemony… for science of course!
Realpolitik is bullshit
No.532965
>>532953Well given the Kiev regime doesn't have control of its Nazi militias the quickest way to peace is Ukrainian surrender followed by a quick denazification mop up regime
No.532966
>>532953>I dont see how either Russian victory or defeat would help bring about the revolution.There is a slim chance that a Russian Victory throw the global order and NATO itself in disarray in a revolutionary defeatism sense. Emphasis on "slim", most likely outcome is accelerating tensions for more war.
No.532967
>>532953If Russia gets to make a neutral buffer from Ukraine, it’s a win. If Russia is defeated and this galvanizes antiwar communists against Putin, it’s a win. If somehow both happens, we hit the jackpot
No.532968
>>532957Only if nothing more interesting than tossing (you)s is happening
No.532969
>>532961Zelenskyy already tries to
No.532970
>>532938>>532929If Putin poker-faced throughout the entire trashing of the Minsk protocols and mass slaughter in Donetsk and Lugansk, well… the US would probably sanction Russia, anyway, and then escalate the situation by urging Ukraine into pushing into Crimea.
Might as well secure Ukraine first.
No.532971
Btw for posterity the dead Russian spammer is a nazi from virginia not poland.
No.532973
>>792665
Jeszcze tu płaczesz? Dlaczego?
No.532975
>>532971>burger nazilike a clockwork
No.532976
>>532960>jewishI don't know if you've heard, but the Israeli government is pretty much taking advice from the Nazi Playbook on how to treat the Palestinians.
And there were jewish nazis as well. Some of them even sold out their own people.
No.532977
>>532971Oh is it our WV shitkicker?
No.532978
>>532960>shut up!! pew pew pew die!!cope
No.532981
>>532965>denazification But that's not the Russian aim.
By Putin's own words, they're aiming for "decomunization".
No.532982
>>532960Its elected Jewish president either can't or won't (probably can't desu) control the neo-nazi paramilitaries that control its foreign policy
No.532984
>>532960>4 fucking threads with the same fucking argument.Meds.
No.532985
>>532971The Eternal burger
No.532986
from a bellingcat spook:
>three convoys of tanks - almost 500 in total - approaching the city [Kiev] from different directions. It will be hellish tonight.https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1497716762208522241?s=21 No.532987
>>532982Keep seething Russian imperialist.
No.532988
>>532971>what are proxiesdo jannies really
No.532989
>>532985Based burger opposing Russian imperialism.
Seethe more.
No.532990
>OH NOOOOOO
No.532991
>>532981You talking about a joke he made about ukrainian anticommunism? He’s an anticommunist himself, but in its context that’s what he was going for
No.532992
>>532989You don’t know what imperialism is and america is actually imperialist
No.532993
>>532992You don't know what imperialism is and Russia is actually imperialist (so is America, you retard, both are. Read a book.)
No.532995
>>532993Read lenin’s book on imperialism
No.532997
>>792701
So they are going to throw away the billions that Russia owes them?
No.532998
>>792701
Some folks argue that Putin really believes that he is liberating people from nazis.
No.532999
>>792701
Tell that to the Ukrainians
No.533001
>>532737This might be the most blatently racist thing msm has printed in a minute.
These motherfuckers literally revoked his whiteness as a punishment.
No.533002
>>532972pic 2:
>yeah fuck other people!
>oh wait this will affect me? then maybe not. No.533003
>>532971why is he malding? where are these mass civilian murders by fascist russian thugs but also millions of dead russians
No.533004
>>532996Fascinating document, thanks for sharing. Do you have the full thing by any chance?
No.533005
>>533001Slavs were never white and thank god for that
No.533007
>>532702 Ukraine will fall soon
No.533008
>>532987If Ukraine had restrained the Azov Battalion in the past eight years there wouldn't be Russians in Kiev right now (and I'm not happy about the latter part, it's a stupid escalation), letting Nazis into government always ends in everyone's ruin
No.533009
>>532712>poster is moronic enough to think this will lead to dedollarization>poster is moronic enough to think that the U.S rules through the dollar and not through an ad-hoc association of liberal idealist states>poster probably believes petrodollar conspiracy theoriesGod I forgot how stupid your average leftist is. Room temperature IQs, makes me ashamed to be a leftist myself
No.533011
>>792719
Read Lenin
No.533012
>>533008>letting Nazis into governmentName me the Nazi government members
No.533014
>>792719
bait
No.533015
>>533009>I will provide no support for my assertions and just call people moronsYou’re not leftist, liberal
No.533018
>>532995I have you blathering moron, you're the one that hasn't.
>>792719That's not what Lenin's book says. Lenin says that imperialism is a stage of capitalism that results from the rule of financial capital in a country; Russia is a financial capital country. It's an imperialist country by Lenin's definition.
>>532995 is just such a low autism score moron that he can't manage to read a sentence more complex than; "putin big dick haha"
No.533019
>>792719
Not even trying
No.533020
>>533010my sides this fake uncanny valley shit
No.533021
>>533015Not my job to educate you about how the modern world works, retard.
No.533023
>>533018Is it really? This massive oil exporter?
No.533024
>>533008they only had to throw the nazis under the bus, stop venerating bandera and stop killing people
>>533012Tyagnibok
No.533025
>>533021Literally ticking all the liberal boxes
No.533029
>>533008Yes there would be you room temperature autism score faggot, Russia isn't invading over the Azov Battalion, they're not invading for the people of Luhansk or whatever the fuck imperialist propaganda it is your smooth-brained tiny skull fell for. They're invading precisely for the reason the little dicked imperialist Putin said they're invading for; Russian revanchism.
No.533030
>>792736
Nie rozumiesz, co jest imperializm
No.533031
>>533029Russia isn’t imperialist and this is entirely baseless
No.533032
>>533029TBH this is true, I watched his whole declaration of war statement and he didn't even mention Donbas at all
No.533034
>>792736
2/10 made me respond
No.533036
>>533032He did mention it at least twice
No.533037
>>533029>Cares about why the guy killing Nazis is killing NazisWew lad
No.533039
>>533033>an elected official is not in governmentNice goal post moving, retard. Deputy means member of parliament in Ukrainian:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Deputy_of_Ukraine No.533040
>>533032Nice to see someone who actually has been paying attention and knows what they're talking about.
Reminder to all the low autism score Putin shills: go watch his speech. He hates Lenin. He hates communism. He wants to restore Russian borders to what they were during the Russian Empire days ideally, though he obviously can't do that, so he has to settle for trying to set up a puppet regime in Ukraine.
No.533041
>>533036I mean it was like a 40 minute statement so fair enough, I kinda tuned out after a while (my BF wanted to watch it) but he spent most of the time bitching about how it was terrible that the Russian empire was broken up
No.533042
>>533029>They're invading precisely for the reason the little dicked imperialist Putin said they're invading for;idealism
No.533043
>>533037You do realize the Russians have Nazi militias in Donbass and Luhansk right? Same guys that helped found Wagner.
Ukrainians are the ones killing Nazis right now. Seethe more, faggot.
No.533045
>>533042I know you're an idealist, no need to tell me that.
No.533046
>>533041It isn't declaration of war speech, it's recognition speech. He gets to the point of evil totally not fake Ukrainian shellings at the end of the address
No.533048
>>533043Hey cmon, I think we can all agree that there's Nazis getting killed on both sides
No.533049
>>533043Ok Nazis are killing Russki conscripts and Nazis are also killing Ukrop cosncripts
No.533050
>>533041>GayYou know how they treat gay people in ukraine, right?
No.533051
>>533045So do you think that America invaded Afghanistan because the Taliban are bad guys like they said
No.533052
>>533048Sure, but anyone with a autism score above 10 would realize Nazis on both sides are miniscule in number and irrelevant; the broad mass of Ukrainians and Russians involved in this fighting aren't Nazis. This war has nothing to do with Nazis or neo-Nazis and anyone claiming otherwise is an utter moron.
No.533053
>>533024Damn. Send more of this proofs.
No.533054
>>533049it's an inter-nazi gang war with many military casualties
No.533055
>>533050Hey I could have been a femoid.
But it's hardly like Russia is pro gay either, I'd be fucked either way.
>>533052Sure. Obviously this war is a travesty. But just saying there's a few upsides.
No.533056
>>533043>Panslavist weirdo Militias are the same as actual battalions armed with nato equipmentOh no, that’s terrible.
No.533057
>>533029You have to mobilize some degree of popular support to have a war and the way Russia's currently doing that is by putting Donbass refugees on TV and having them talk about Azov/Neo-Nazi atrocities.
Letting them run wild was a horrific own goal that undercuts Ukraine's claims to peacefulness and territorial integrity
No.533058
>>533046>Ukrainian shellings>fakeok, buddy, retard
No.533060
>>533051False equivocation. Russia is invading for geopolitical-economic reasons (pro-Russian puppet regimes, overland access to Crimea, they're only warm water port, etc).
U.S invaded for geopolitical-economic reasons as well. You're a moron if you don't see that, the difference is, Putin was honest about why he was invading in his Big Bad speech.
Please grow a brain.
No.533061
>>533054I fucking hate this century
No.533062
>>533050The situation was improving since 2014
No.533063
>>533060You conveniently forgot under 'geopolitical reasons' the intentional failure of NATO expansion discussions
No.533064
>>533054>>533061These two posts sum up Eastern Europe and Eastern Europe politics succinctly.
No.533065
>>533055Yes, halting the influence of Nato
No.533066
>>533063Ukraine was rebuffed from joining NATO multiple times. Try again, moron.
No.533067
>>533054Yugoslav wars were closer to this definition honestly
No.533069
>>533040His speech was about how Ukraine is a failed state that's become a colony defining itself on the repudiation of Russia, so even its idea of decommunizing is contradictory. Bolsheviks had a failed nation building project that's now been used to turn the countries against each other.
He's not really wrong. His solutions are.
No.533070
>>532906>liberatedBut at what cost? War really hits different when your family is invested in it. Burgers and others on /leftypol/ with cheeto dust on their keyboard and mouse are just cushily observing this spectacle here.
My grandmother is hunkered down in the basement of a hospital where she works for 3 days now, I'm worried that if she steps foot outside the front door she will get instakilled by volkssturm inadequates. Her apartment has a networked alarm that can send a phone notif if looters break in, hopefully nothing happens.
I was walking home today down bayswater road in London past the russian consulate, there were several drunk protestors grunting like chimps and waving signs, the outer walls of the consulate were packed with anti russian memes and news posts. they were guarded by 4 cops on both sides and there was one schizo clutching a bottle of wine and foaming at the mouth at "Vladolf Putler". Never thought I'd hear the phrase said out loud in person but here we are. I asked them "Привіт, хто з вас тут з України?" and they only had blank stares for me, none of them were Ukrainian, just angloid liberals.
It's all the fault of these liberals. These anglo, nato, west, etc etc. They did this to my people. Why? Why do we have to be the punching boy of imperialism? Is it because we have seen so much success in socialism and now we must be punished for it?
I've lived in London for a few years now and I've got the urge to do something adventurous now. Maybe this urge will be gone when I wake up sober, who knows
No.533071
>>533064I'll never understand what the fuck is up with Eastern Europe, I understand that bad living conditions leads to reactionism but can't they at least just be pro-Slavic fascists? They have to be Nazis that literally tried to exterminate the slavs?
No.533072
>>533040Putin helps anti-imperialist countries like Cuba and Venezuela so as a marxist i support the more "progressive" side. Russians have not devastated my country so i don't care retard
No.533073
>>533066No it hasn't. That changed rapidly after 2019-2021
No.533074
>>533065This is going to make NATO stronger though, USA got exactly what they wanted from this crisis, cutting off Europe from resources and telling everyone why western freedom is needed
No.533075
>>533066>t. MsnbcThen why wouldn't NATO agree to a security treaty guaranteeing it?
No.533077
>>533069His speech was a justification for Russian geopolitical-economic designs on Eastern Europe; Russia either restores its Russian Empire-USSR border and keeps distance from the West, or it becomes liberal-democratic and sometime in the future joins the EU, those are the only two feasible options for Russia ATM and Putin realizes this. He does NOT want the latter, and he realizes he's running out of time for the former, he can no longer play the waiting game. He has to invade post-Soviet states and integrate them as puppet-regimes.
No.533079
>>533074Like this is actually true
No.533081
>>533079Its literally what's happening as we speak moron.
No.533082
>>533066They were already a NATO proxy. Ukraine sent troops with the U.S. army to Syria and Iraq.
It wasn't a member, but as Colombia where part of their army are sent to fight in the middle east, they too were the U.S. subservient.
No.533083
>>533081Because of some twitter posts? Get real
No.533084
>>532737based, Putin reported to the real Golden One
No.533085
>>533081Will Yurop be able to handle the extremely high gas prices from Israel/USA?
No.533086
>>533028The Ukrainian side is sounding a lot like the Armenian side during the recent war there where there's a lot of hype about imaginary fighter aces, some individual Russian vehicles being destroyed (ultimately meaningless) and small tactical victories involving what are basically just probes to determine the disposition of the (disorganized) Ukrainian defense while the main Russian force hasn't even arrived yet. Once it does, Kiev is going to be surrounded.
So where is the Ukrainian army? Probably far to the east along the Donbass line of contact where they've been "fixed" in place. If they try to fall back across the country to Kiev, they're going to be exposed on the roads – vulnerable to Russian air attack and prone to being cut off by rapidly moving Russian mechanized forces moving across the countryside.
No.533087
>>533083Europe will now have to import gas/oil from USA and USA puppets, and the average person thinks 'wow, glad we are in NATO so we are safe from bullies like Russia'
No.533088
>>533077>Russia either restores its Russian Empire-USSR borderThis is a glowy talking point
Nata expansion caused this war
No.533090
>>533088Russia and NATO both have thousands of nukes, 'NATO expansion' is a meaningless concept, neither can attack the other regardless
No.533091
>>533089This fag surely does love PR
No.533093
>>533087I don't know if those geopolitical platitudes will hold up in the general populace if they're unable to heat their homes.
No.533094
>>533085Yurop will become even weaker and that's how burgers want it
No.533095
>>533066Let Rep. Adam Schiff explain it to you
https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1497593878295236609#m>>533090What an absolutely idiotic take. You're not allowed to open carry an assault rifle in a bank because no one trusts you, even if you promise you won't use it or there are guards that also have assault rifles.
No.533096
>>533089how based would it be if russia shot down his sattelite
No.533097
>>533083Uhh, no because of what's happening in the real world you utter moron; German closed down Nordstream, something they never would have dreamed of in a million years before this. Finland said its considering joining NATO. US has managed to get EU aligned behind banning Russia from SWIFT. These are major happenings that show a huge galvanization effect in the West and in U.S led institutions. If you don't see this, you're a moron. Putin gave Washington everything they could have possibly wanted.
No.533099
>>533093USA can't allow Europe and Russia to build a trade relationship that is more important than US domination of Europe - that is why this crisis was allowed to happen. USA and the Eurobourg will allow the poor to freeze if it means there is no chance of Europe shaking off the chains of American control
No.533100
>>533043Nup son, you can argue that there may be fascists on the novorosyian side and I might not disagree with you, but Russian nationalism disallows them from being total literal Nazis in the same way Ukrainian nationalism encourages it
>>533040He was slightly more nuanced than that he equivocated on what whether Lenin did could be justified by the circumstances and got angry when talking about the ukrainians removing Lenin statues which comports with a flustered response he gave to a reporter ambushing him and criticising Lenin in the question a while ago where he responded that; Lenin is like a saint you can't criticise him on human terms and also the ideological education he would have recieved in his youth
ie.
>Lenin lived, Lenin lives, Lenin will live again No.533101
It's hilariously Pathetic that Putinist Russia can't even beat Ukraine, 🤣. This is what happens when you destroy the USSR in order to turn yourself into a Gas Station and Brothel led by a Billionaire Midget who took power by ordering a False Flag Bombing of his own citizens in order to justify the Chechen genocide, LOL.
No.533102
>>533095Nuke launchers in Poland versus nuke launchers in Ukraine, what is the actual strategic difference? Russia would be obliterated within an hour either way
No.533103
>>533098This is an old video, these vehicles are already refueled
No.533104
>>533087>and the average person thinks 'wow, glad we are in NATO so we are safe from bullies like Russia'no, the average person is utterly depoliticized, but they will go to the streets if you squeeze them too much
No.533105
>>533092>I'm an anti-imperialist!>Gives lip service to Russian imperialistsNo, the only correct Marxist position to take is to support neither sides and hope for revolution in both spheres of influence. Multi-polarity is a meme of non-Marxist counter-hegemonic capitalist thinkers. They're your class enemies.
No.533106
This war is about gas, right?
No.533107
>>533101i cant fucking believe it
No.533108
>>533106It's about nationalism for Russia, and gas for NATO
No.533110
>>533096Not very because it would mean WW3. Except if you’re a posadist, then it would be very based.
No.533111
>>533105proletarian revolution in a country where syndicalists are burnt alive by govt-protected nazis, okay
No.533112
>>533101They got their asses handed to them by the Chechens at fist too but honestly this is the most succinct explanation of events I've seen ITT.
USSR fell, and now Russia is a burning trash pile of Putinist retardation, and is getting humiliated by Ukrainians of all people.
No.533113
>>533111Yeah that does happen in Russia
No.533114
>>533029seems they're invading for all of the above really.
-The Ukraine regime has reneged on the Minsk peace agreements and declared war to forcibly retake the Donbas and Crimea, which means Russia was already going to be fighting a war with them over these issues anyway.
-The Ukrainian regime (and their DC puppet masters) has dismissed any negotiation over future NATO membership (any such talk is a "non-starter"), which tells Russia that they are going for such membership at some point, which means an explicitly anti-Russian military alliance will move to their borders and install dangerous weapons systems that threaten Russia.
-The Ukraine regime has aligned itself with neo-nazi elements and used them to attack Russian people in the Donbas and elsewhere and have embarked on a 'de-Russification' campaign in language, culture and history.
They invaded to end the war over Donbas and Crimea, to end the NATO threat (their Cuban Missile Crisis), and to end an anti-Russian cleansing campaign spearheaded by neo-Nazi groups that are embraced and/or tolerated by the Ukrainian regime.
The Ukrainian regime made itself a DC puppet regime and was allowing itself to be used as a tool to "fight Russia over there", which meant adopting hardline stances and non-negotiation on all the above issues under the "advice" of DC, which included perpetual war with Russia over the eastern regions that would drag out for years or decades.
They invaded to put an end to the war sooner rather than later.
No.533116
>>533108FTFY: It's about NATO and gas for Russia, and gas and Russia for NATO
No.533117
>>533112>getting humilatedhow? Russia has taken relatively large amounts of Ukrainian territory and war has been going on for a few days, they can't capitulate the whole country in an hour like in fuckin HOI4
No.533120
>>533114you people are actually hopeless
No.533121
>>533101It took the storeshitters 3 weeks to conquer Iraq kid, and that was against a sanctioned to hell and back country, go ask donkeytale to confirm this if you don't believe me
Meanwhile It's been a couple of days and the Russians have encircled Kiev
No.533122
>>533102It's not just about nukes but with hypersonic nukes, minutes actually do matter
No.533123
4 days
Ukraine slowly losing this much
Yup its ogre
No.533124
>>533113odessa isn't in russia, retard
No.533125
>>533121Coping Putinoid imperialist crying and sharting himself as the hekkin basederinoo "anti-imperialist" Russian army gets humiliated by Ukrainians.
No.533127
>>533122I find that incredibly doubtful, it's the exact same shit as the Iraq war where 'Iraq could strike the UK with WMDs within 45 minutes', completely emply nonsense
No.533129
>>533119>russia taking longer than 3 hours to occupy all of ukraineit's over
No.533130
Leftypol was a mistake
No.533131
>>533119They should try to link up all the three fronts into one contiguous frontline IMHO.
I hope for further progress in Northern Luhansk and in Mariupol area tomorrow.
No.533132
>>533125how is russia losing lol
>>533119 No.533133
>>533000Why do they both type the same way lol
No.533135
>>533126im not even trying to argue anymore
im stating facts
No.533136
>>533119Can someone make to-scale maps with US/western Europe overlays?
No.533137
>>533130Is it really a mistake when it is of no consequence?
No.533138
>>533105I directly said to stand against any imperialism including Russian. I also said that multi-polarism is merely a path to the larger goals. My post was quite clear that capitalism the system behind imperialism is target #1. Whether through peace or war, hegemonic imperialism or multi polar! The goal is to organize, agitate, and educate against what has caused this to begin with.
No.533139
>>533125>getting humiliated is circling the capital in 3 days and never getting pushed off.do azovites really…
No.533140
>>533136what is that gonna prove lol?
No.533141
>>533137Any place that gathers up retards is a mistake
No.533145
>>533141I refuse to believe the universe is a mistake
No.533146
>>533141maybe we're all locked up in a cyber insane asylum
No.533147
>>533142>NOOOOOOOOOO! YOU MUST ENGAGE IN MY LEGENDARY INTERNET ARGUMENTERIO OR YOU ARE A LIB WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHgrow up for fucks sake
No.533148
>>533115Haz being sane in his comments. Well, gotta follow the guy, now.
Meanwhile, earlier in Kharkov. (NIGHT)
No.533149
>>533127You are free to look up hypersonic missiles any time. It's also a silly gotcha, considering that nukes aren't the only military pressure that can be put on a country. Would the US ever accept anything like this? No, but not just because they are le ebil imperialists. The USSR also resisted NATO expansion
No.533150
>>533077His speech did nothing to suggest an old border had to be restored
No.533151
I don’t get why people keep using the argument that Russian forces are close to Kiev as proof that they’re doing well, it’s literally right next to the Belarusian border of course they’re going to be close to it at the start of the invasion.
No.533152
>>533143Are they giving them welcome baskets?
No.533153
>>533144pls stop posting, my misanthropy is bad enough already
No.533154
>>533136Ukraine is the size of Texas
No.533155
>>533144Imagine doing five years of college and thinking international relations are all emotions and not true rational strategy. Should have spent that money on coke and hookers
No.533156
>>533138>Either imperialism or imperialism!So this is the raw brainpower of leftypol….
No.533157
>>533149Just because the US wouldn't allow it doesn't mean anything, I genuinely feel it is meaningless, Russia is under no threat of NATO invasion/attack whether Ukraine is part of it or not
No.533158
>>533151>it’s literally right next to the Belarusian borderthe maps you're seeing aren't 1:1, Ukraine is larger than your screen
No.533159
>>533144Wow now I critically support Putin why did you lie about his motives you leftypolyps?
No.533160
>>533157You can't actually think that the only deterrence a country is allowed to have is the threat of nuclear holocaust. Russia doesn't want that either, nobody does, it's kind of a terrible defense mechanism.
No.533161
>>533156Can you tell the class what imperialism is?
No.533162
>>533152Russian MRE
A gift bag would be pretty sweet though
No.533163
>>533157>Nato is a purely defensive organizationget real anon
No.533165
>>533163Invading Russia would be Posadas level of stupid
No.533166
>>533119They seem to be having some difficulty breaking through Kharkov. Each night the volume of fire seems to increase. Tonight seems apocalyptic over there.
No.533167
>>533089Honestly, this is the only thing that can potentially make me sympathetic to Putinist Russia (I still hate the Duginsts/Eurasianists/Vlasovites for destroying the USSR and turning it into a Gas station and Brothel) as I really hate the Fucking piece of shit Musk who is one of the masterminds behind the 4th Industrial Revolution (particularly Self-Driving Cars and Brain-Computer Interfaces) to eliminate the Proles along with being a top Republican donor and NRx advocate who is popular with the MAGAtards and will be even more influential after the 2022 and 2024 Republican Waves. However, Putinist Russia supports all this shit as well (and is popular with many MAGAtards like Cucker Carlson and the Pro-Chinese/Russian "Alternative" Media that turns "Leftists" into Republicans) so my stance is still Neutrality, due to my refusal as a principled Marxist-Leninist-Maoist to take sides in Inter-Imperialist Conflicts.
No.533168
>>533164Russian economist don't know pulling out "maybe this, maybe that" predictions while government just states that everything is under control.
No.533169
>>533167I can't believe it
No.533170
>>533164Government/oligarchs will be fine, its the Russian people that'll get hit worst off. Russia may try to sell their oil and natural gas to China at a loss to keep some money flowing and squeeze some wealth out of the oligarchs for government subsidies with the promise of getting to loot ukraine later
No.533173
>>533158Well people keep comparing this to Iraq and how long it took to take Baghdad, except Baghdad was much further from the initial US/UK invasion point than the Russian one’s distance to Kiev.
No.533174
>>533165If NATO gets close enough, they can surpass Russia's nuclear defense capabilities. Minutes count.
No.533175
>>533164this war is driving up oil prices which benefits Russia
No.533176
>>533165declaration of war is not the only threat that exists
No.533179
>>533156Did you actually think I said use imperialism to overthrow imperialism? NO! I mean whether we overthrow imperialism under hegemonic or multi-polar, the goal is to attack the system that's behind this. We as commies have to fight this fight whether we believe the conditions are right or not. Let's say NATO stays strong (evidence says otherwise this is a hypothetical) we would still have to fight imperialism under hegemonic imperialism; same the other way for multi polar imperialism. The goal is to oppose imperialism, not just fight for a type of imperialism we see is easier to fight imperialism under.
No.533180
>>533174Don’t they have some sort of seismic dead man type system?
No.533181
>>533120Thats all true. Also on Monday Zelensky threatened to restart the nuclear program if he wasn't let into NATO.
No.533182
What's the status of Kiev? How long before Ivan liberates it?
No.533184
>>533167Are you really 16?
No.533185
>>533119This map is outdated as fuck, Odessa and the southern coasts have been occupied and ground forces have surrounded Kiev from most sides already.
No.533186
>>533175Not if nobody can buy it.
No.533188
>>533178Extremely interesting.
No.533189
>>533167>Putinist Russia supports all this shit as well (and is popular with many MAGAtards like Cucker CarlsonCucker Carlson already backtracked and supports the neo-con narrative
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/02/25/tucker-carlson-russia-ukraine-putin/ No.533190
>>533172>good ending>plays a song about how depressing wage-slaving is?
No.533191
>>533182Nobody knowsm hours to weeks
No.533192
>>533186China is still buying, India is still buying, Japan is still buying, and guess who else is still buying? Europe?
No.533193
>>533174Russia has a brainless system, that if in case of detecting that the center command is non-existent (i.ex. they were targeted by a suppressive nuke) the system picks all functioning silos across Russia and launches attacks to all possibles points on earth.
It's named Dead Hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_HandComes from the USSR, and the U.S. pretty much has the same.
Very apocalyptic. Enjoy idealization of things.
No.533194
>>533178If we talk trade and economy, with Ukraine Russia will control a third of worldwide wheat exports. They will have a lot of political hard power on importers.
No.533195
>>533190I'm not getting paid to make sense.
No.533196
>>533173it took them two weeks to take Baghdad, against a poorer country that had been sanctioned and demilitarized for 10 years. It took them a week to take just Falluja in 2004, when the "initial invasion point" was right outside Falluja.
No.533197
>>533164You can live indefinitely in a relatively healthy state almost on potatoes alone, you know.
No.533198
>>533196And not only that.
U.S had NATO support.
No.533199
>>533197I wouldn't be surprised if the average life expectancy of Russia increases if the supply of greasy fast food from America gets cut off.
No.533200
>>532960>while jew_president == true:<print('it's impossible for nazis exist in Ukraine lalalalalala, i refuse to pay attention at reality')Where did you acquire such military grade levels of retadation? Harvested the brains of /pol/ users or something?
You people are unsalvageable.
No.533201
Chaina
No.533203
>>533182Bellingcat glowie said earlier that there are rumors going around on the Russian side that they want it done by Monday, overruling concerns from VDV who said it will be too costly. Take with a fistful of salt obviously.
No.533204
>>533202lest raid the fascist YouTube channel boys
No.533205
>>533197Even if that's possible, the discontent will be massive.
No.533206
It's very funny that ppl still think it's possible for the Ukrainians to win. The Chechens are hopefully going to give Zelensky the Gaddafi treatment.
No.533207
>>533087>Europe will now have to import gas/oil from USA and USA puppets,Europe will continue importing gas from Russia, this is just real politic, it's cheaper and there is not enough capacity to replace Russian gas. The Swift ban is likely cutting around the gas trade anyway. If that swift ban isn't just a paper tiger it will likely speed up the move away from the dollar being the worlds reserve currency.
>>533090>'NATO expansion' is a meaningless conceptNATO expansion is real, you must be a NATO shill for attempting to deny this. After the dissolution of the Warsaw pact Russia agreed to pull back it's forces and nuclear bases from post soviet countries in exchange for a promise that NATO membership would not be expanded. You can't really blame for Russia reacting to such a blatant breach of trust at some point. This is blowback of US aggression towards Russia.
By the way this war began when the US invaded Ukraine with a coup and government overthrow in Kiev during the Euromaidan color revolution. Since the US has been collaborating with Ukranian Nazis, the Russians could be forgiven for thinking that NATO expansion had similarities with the Nazi eastwards expansion during WW2. Just consider how it looks like from Moscow's perspective to have a swastika-waving force-build-up near your border. They have seen this before and might not want to take any chances.
>Russia and NATO both have thousands of nukes, neither can attack the other regardlessSo if Russia were to overthrow the government of Mexico and build military bases right next to US boarder, there would be nothing to worry about since the US has many nukes ? Do you even realise how crazy and unhinged it is what you are suggesting
No.533208
>>533204im gonna raid ur mums womb lol
No.533209
>be NATO
>support right wing retards to prevent russia from constructing bases in donetsk and lugansk
>aggression from retards at your prompting provides cassus belli for russia
>russia overthrows retard government, installs sympathetic ukrainians
>now can build bases right up to the border with NATO
jesus christ how badly can you fuck up
No.533210
>Russia should be pants-on-head retarded about security because they have nukes
i hate Agent Kochinskiites
No.533212
Saudis rubbing their hands together rn
No.533213
>>533196Very different doctrines so it's not that comparable. I'm not extremely well read but Russia basically use deep battle, just take vehicles out of storage to replenish and keep up with the advance. The US uses motor pools and a lot logistic bases while trying to limit their loss the most possible, there's less emphasis on rapid advance.
No.533214
>>533202I see they didn't have any blatant black suns or other suspicious imagery, compared with the last one I saw
No.533215
>>533204im gonna make them gay
No.533216
Occupying Kiev is a nothingburger. Wake me up when the Russian flag flies over Lviv.
No.533217
>>533105What is imperialism
No.533218
Dengists and Anarchists need to take a shower
No.533219
>Western arms flooding into Ukraine
>NATO spookplanes feeding real time target information directly to Ukrainian artillery and SAMs
>NATO special forces almost certainly on the ground "advising" Ukrainian forces
>Musk providing free satellite internet to Ukraine
So how much outside intervention will happen until Putin decides enough is enough and takes things into his own hands?
No.533220
>>533218You mean like, together?
No.533221
>>533217(1) the concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life; (2) the merging of bank capital with industrial capital, and the creation on the basis of this “finance capital”, of a financial oligarchy; (3) the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities acquires exceptional importance; (4) the formation of international monopoly capitalist associations which share the world among themselves, and (5) the territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers is completed. Imperialism is capitalism at that stage of development at which the dominance of monopolies and finance capital is established; in which the export of capital has acquired pronounced importance; in which the division of the world among the international trusts has begun, in which the division of all territories of the globe among the biggest capitalist powers has been completed.
No.533223
>>533219No way he's attacking the west, no fucking way..
No.533224
The eyes of history turn to Comrade Xi. Will he deliver the death blow to US hegemony
No.533225
>>792961
brave freedom fighters of ukraine!
No.533226
>>533219what can he even do lol
No.533228
>>792961
>that burger music
neonazis are such clowns
No.533229
>>533213Yeah. Russian doctrine is very aggressive and is designed to withstand higher casualties than U.S. doctrine.
>>792961That video has a very Futurist aesthetic. There's also a video of them doing a full-blown Nuremberg rally LARP on that channel.
No.533230
>>533209If Russia wins in the fashion they want to then the US underestimated Russia. Looks like NATO might get Finland tho, huge L for russia
No.533231
>>533202Anyone that says good things about Russia gets demonized, yet a literal terrorist group is allowed to operate their platform for over a year? Just YouTube things.
No.533234
>>533231*on their platform
No.533235
Too many Westoids taking victory laps when it's barely been a few days.
I'll check back when two weeks have passed on March 7, 2022 21:00 UTC.
No.533237
>>533227>trusting google and youtubeliberal detected
No.533238
>>533109Soccer is so funny, like imagine if the San Francisco 49ers had a fascist paramilitary force
No.533240
>>533231facebook actually just
lifted the band on Ukrainian neonazi propaganda for the purpose of this war
No.533243
>>533119Source? Also I really wish a map separated out pre-2022 war borders, Crimea's a peninsula obviously but it can be hard for me (let alone people not following as closely) to tell how much if at all the front line has moved in Donbass
No.533244
>>533232years of propaganda masking the true enemy behind orange man/muh jews
No.533247
>>533231>Nazi terrorists not punished by bourgeois capitalsounds about white
No.533250
>>533231They had a guy on CNN from the holocaust memorial museum saying it was false and disrespectful. He should go for a stroll in Lvov lol
No.533251
Ukraine is the USA of the east.
>Hated by left wingers for being fascist
>Hated by right wingers for having pride parades and Soros backing
No.533253
>>533251it's a Nazlib state
No.533254
>>533251I wonder why does the right hate Soros, he's /theirguy/ in almost every respect.
No.533255
>>533248You are the footsoldiers of capital. You are funded by liberals overseas as cannon fodder.
No.533256
>>533202I didn't know Vauush had a second YouTube channel.
No.533257
r-ruskie bros….
I think its over
No.533258
>>533251when will burgers be liberated by based putin
No.533260
>>533202sentimental slav dance cringe + operator /k/ cringe
yup, it's fashoids
No.533261
>>533254He's too globally and internationally oriented, the right thinks of itself as supporting national capital, not international. Also he's a Jew.
No.533266
>>533252Zelinskyyyy floated idea of peace talks and ukraine neutrality yesterday.
immediately called a traitor and threatened with coup by azov nazis that he's allowed to infiltrate the gov and sec forces.
But there's no nazi problem there. putler made it up.
No.533267
>>532705tbh on the contrary it's made me more skeptical of western 'anti-imperialists'. liberals have behaved more or less as expected, and so are easy to ignore.
the ones who take a pro russia line are just sort of ignorable or contrarian (and i mean whatever, we're all watching a war on TV here), but the ones who refuse to endorse russia, or indeed to talk about the war at all, but surreptitiously happen to be going off about how ukranians are nazis or the holodomor didn't happen or whatever just hit me as being on the highest level of cope. they can't bring themselves to endorse the war, but they're clearly too cowardly to get on the pro-ukraine bandwagon either. (you might go "oh, but real wars are nuanced!", but if that's the case they probably shouldn't have been going on about the buildup and then shut the fuck up once the invasion actually happened.)
i don't care what side anyone's on so long as they're not a coward. or an idiot, with some selective tolerance of good natured idiocy.
No.533269
>>533264the sample size was probably 15 people lol
No.533271
>>533269>38k votesaccording to image
No.533272
>>533251Ukraine is like a modern-day Weimar Germany, as Ukraine is getting ripped apart by both Russia and the West. Azov and other fascist paramilitary groups are an extreme reaction to Russia. But it also exists in a paradoxical relationship with the West – since they identify with the West, but they position themselves as "more Western than the Westerners." Obviously, they see the West as decadent and cosmopolitan and faggy and all that. You also have a trend where NATO countries have pushed the Ukrainian government to take a maximalist position vis-a-vis Russia so no compromise is possible and have moved weapons and advisors into the country. In that extreme, polarized environment, the most extreme groups win out. At the same time, Western countries have flooded Ukraine with liberal NGOs that use a lot of "progressive"-sounding language which helps the far-right recruit more people – the liberals provoke the reaction which is then weaponized by the same oligarchs and governments. Like a chemical reaction, these intense contradictions compact together in a manner similar to an explosion to "break out" of the impasse.
The actual result is that they're going to get wrecked by the Russian army. But it's an instructive lesson in fascism. I see it as like the grandiose acceleration of existing contradictions of societies facing a fundamental material-systemic crisis. Like, the 20th century fascist regimes were enthralled by empire-building at a time when old-style empires were falling apart, and they embraced the rush to death as a spiritual pursuit. They attempted to build these empires on a very rapid and sped-up timescale with intense violence which previous empires had built up over centuries. Or you can think of it as liberalism entering into terroristic self-defense mode against genuine revolutionary change (i.e. communism back then) that looms as the old society is breaking down.
No.533273
>>533086Armenia actually held out territorially for a while, people thought they were repelling attacks but they were just being softened up by bombardment until the real offensive came and the front line collapsed.
Ukraine, OTOH, is seeing large swaths of land occupied day 1 and has no mountains to retreat into.
No.533274
>>533251Do they take in brown people?
No.533275
>>533226cut the phones internet and power instead of letting ukraine get real time updates from nato
but then civvies also dont get info
No.533276
>>533264Consent for war status = Manufactured successfully
No.533277
>>533266can't wait for the wave of r/memes posts about how zelensky is a traitor
No.533278
>>533264Propaganda works. Numbers were reversed when Putin started.
No.533281
>>793022
>Putin is taking his time to force the Ukrainian government to negotiate a surrender.
Some pro-ruski sources have said this, wouldn't be surprised if true
No.533283
>>533253nazional-liberalismus is unironically a real thing in post-socialist states that cucked to the "free world". the term has been seriously used by local marxists to explain the counter-revolution
No.533285
>>533279Tui amar moton ek deshi?
No.533286
>>533245Isn't poroshenko himself an oligarch lol
No.533287
>>533270>>533276>>533278bruh look at the sorce for that poll
this is evidence that propaganda is not working as well as they expected
No.533288
>>533286Yes he is.
There's also the fact that the national myth of Ukraine, when faced with Götterdämmerung, will lead to violence directed inwards towards "internal enemies," so that the motherland could be pure in death or some other fascistic nonsense.
By way of example, see the Siege of Königsberg during World War II. The SS and Volkssturm unleashed tremendous violence when the siege started – but not at the Red Army that was besieging them! The crisis of the siege caused an outpouring of internal violence, paradoxically intended to strengthen the defense. It's a very strange, sad contradiction.
In the final year of World War II, as bitter defensive fighting moved to German soil, a wave of intra-ethnic violence engulfed the country. The Wehrmacht's retreat into Germany contributed significantly to the spike of violence which occurred throughout the country immediately prior to defeat. Soldiers arriving with an ingrained barbarized mindset, developed on the Eastern Front, shaped the immediate environment of the area of operations, and of Nazi Germany as a whole.
No.533289
so what are the implications of Russia being cut off from SWIFT?
No.533290
>Per Reports, Russian Strategic Bomber Morse Code net active on High Frequency at 0120 GMT/UTC.
>K Markers being sent on 8112 Kilohertz CW every 20 minutes for 2 minutes.
Any nerd who knows what this means?
No.533291
>>533267That's That's fair point society a fair point
No.533292
>>533287>smerconish.comno idea what that is
No.533294
>>533281cool if true. would probably mean fewer civilian casualties, excluding those azov and co create
No.533295
Goddammit autocorrect what I meant to say is socdem
No.533300
>>533289afaik the planned exclusion from swift is partial and specific, it doesn't include all banks. maybe russia could just effectively rebrand the targeted banks by formally creating new ones.
No.533302
>>533298Only if you're writing a statement for your communist org, and even then there is plenty criticize of everyone
No.533304
LOL check out just what the US army published 5 months ago:
https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Journals/Military-Review/English-Edition-Archives/July-August-2021/Stringer-Russian-Occupied-Zone/Yeah even if conventional ops are over soon this will turn into a protracted shit war, thanks DoD
No.533305
>>533288post reading material
No.533306
>>533301Yes, I am the curry burger anon who speaks russian
No.533307
>>533289Virtue signaling. They can get around it by making new banks and moving their stuff there, which is of course intentional.
No.533308
>>533292A retarded CNN host who is a smug centrist. The kind that talks about bipartisanship and is proud of their compromising nature.
No.533309
>>533303omg this is just like my Hooy Foor game!
No.533311
Banning Vodka is the most lib thing ever
No.533314
I'm going to play some gta story mode and go on a mass shooting
No.533317
>>533304Protracted Nazi War
The USA are the most successful revolutionaries in history
No.533318
>>533311Who's banning vodka?
No.533322
Do you think the Azov Battalion watches The West Wing, drinks craft beer and listens to the Hamilton soundtrack?
No.533323
>>533319sounds fake honestly
No.533326
>>533267>the holodomor didn't happenWait a moment, the holodomor thing, that was the claimthat Stalin created a famine on purpose, this dates back to anti communist Nazi-Germany propaganda from just before World War two. Are you seriously taking that position ?
Stalin paid the clouds not to rain and caused a crop failure with a plight. What the fuck man ?
No.533327
>>533318Some liquor stores in the US and canada
No.533328
>>533323all this shit is fake
No.533329
>>533319I don't understand how Russians wouldn't be able to pronounce that. Going by the transliteration, it doesn't have any sounds they don't have in their native language.
No.533330
>>533319lmao the media is actually pushing the saboteur angle as volkstrum retards open fire on each other and small nuclear families every night
No.533331
>>533327So it's like burgers pouring away french wine because of warmongering again
No.533332
Reposting
Divisions on the left break down two ways
1. This war is caused by the contradiction between liberalism's universal and equal idea of rights, processes, and so on with the arbitrary nature of autocracy
2. This was is caused by how the liberal international order isn't any higher than the history Russia operates on, and under unipolarity did the most to reproduce it because imperialism was exploiting it (through national divisions etc). This forces Russia to act on the same terms.
Which one is correct?
No.533334
>>533330More dead civilians to blame on Russia. they want as much destruction as possible
No.533335
>>533310 Так, ми ліга легенд як форма навчання
No.533337
>>533329video game logic, they haven't unlocked the skill tree yet
No.533339
>>533297it's not so much about picking a side as people who've obviously got a side, or some instincts towards a side, but are too cowardly to show it or to revise their prejudices in light of new information. as i say: it's one thing to say "actually, this is a nuanced situation" and another to run your mouth about how this is actually very simple right up until the moment of invasion, then go very quiet once the tanks actually roll in.
there are people who've bothsides'd it i've not said anything about. Corbyn comes to mind as having made both anti-NATO and anti-Invasion statements, which is a position essentially consistent with everything he's said in the past.
>>533319that's not what dyslexia is
>>533323in fairness, it's a perfectly valid tactic in human communication:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth(keep an eye out for it on imageboards. pronunciation might not be available as a test, but there are plenty of other stylistic differences in text that people will try to make use of.)
>>533326the point isn't whether the holodohoax happened or not, it's that when you're going on about it right now, after having talked about the buildup to the invasion and then suddenly saying nothing about the actual war, it's more obvious than not that you're a coward who wants to say "ukraine bad" without actually saying it.
i don't care about the holodomor either way, supposing it was literally true stalin was still based. my one regret is not remembering to include a disclaimer making that clear. it's not about the holodomor, it's about the obvious sublimation of anti-ukraine posting.
No.533340
>>533319This better not be real, there's going to be a lot of people shot as suspected "moskals" by nazoid retards because their first language was Russian.
No.533341
>>533311What else do they import from Russia? They're not exactly known for luxuries.
No.533342
>>533328this
there's no war going on
nothing burger
No.533346
>>533343boys its conformed azovs battalion play league of legends
No.533347
>>533342Putin is merely 'going for a stroll in his own backyard'
No.533348
>>533324stop being gamerist
No.533349
>>533339/leftypol/ has very impenetrable shibboleths when it comes to imageboards as a whole, honestly.
No.533352
>>533339tbh, at least for the eternally online, everyone gets polarized, often just for banter's sake
No.533353
>>533340And said saboteurs are likely to be of Ukrainian descent all things considered.
No.533354
>>533349?
You mean it's very obvious when someone knows dick about history, socialism, or Marxist theory?
No.533355
New thread, pls
No.533358
>>532979The guy saying "it's very sad for me because i'm seeing blonde blu eyed people being killed" is a former deputy prosecutor-general
reactoids are monsters who will infiltrate everywhere and debase civilization from its core
No.533359
>>533339>that's not what dyslexia isYep sorry my bad dyslexia is a reading disorder. Should have said apraxia or aphasia or any speech disorder.
>>533351But wait, there's more!
No.533360
>>533319hmm, i guess watch out if you're a russian-speaking ukrainian, you're a "foe".
No.533361
This is all Vicky Nuland’s fault. You think she feels even a little guilty right now?
No.533362
>>533360Ironic because like a third of Azov are russian-as-first-language speakers
No.533363
>>533319The fact that a blue-check liberal might retweet shows imo how poorly they understand the roots of this conflict.
No.533364
>>533300People who enforce financial sanctions go apeshit when things like this happen and immediately roll out new, wider sanctions. I suspect this partial SWIFT ban is just going to end up as a complete SWIFT ban relatively soon.
No.533365
>>533364You can see this with Huawei sanctions which kept getting wide and wider until they issued something called the "Foreign Direct Product Rule"
No.533366
>>533361I don't think there is a single US policymaker that is even a little bit upset about what's happening.
No.533367
>>533330Reminds me a lot of the "undercovers" paranoia widely seen in Hong Kong. Probably same dynamics…
No.533368
>>533361no, she doesn't think it's her fault at all. the only one at fault is putler, of course.
but she's just a bit player. it's the whole obama/clinton world. they are all fucking lunatics and chaos agents. every time they have power they run around setting different parts of the world on fire and leaving chaos and strife in their wake. it's not a coincidence that nobody gave af about Ukraine for four years, and a year after they're back in power it's potential WW3 over it. This won't be the last chaos either. They might fire up the Syria war again, or somewhere else, who knows.
Trump/Repub foreign policy is shit too but nobody holds a candle to these nuts.
No.533369
>>533339>the point isn't whether the holodohoax happened or not, it's that when you're going on about it right now, after having talked about the buildup to the invasion and then suddenly saying nothing about the actual war, it's more obvious than not that you're a coward who wants to say "ukraine bad" without actually saying it.I don't know what you mean, or how the Ukraine happening is related to pre WW2 propaganda from Nazi Germany. Should i tell you my opinion about Ukraine now ? It was regular shit before and when the US installed a puppet regime that funneled money, weapons and cia training instructors to unironic swastika wearing Hitler saluting neo-nazis it got a lot shittier. It also got shittier because of all the neoliberal economics. Before the US shitting CIA crap into Ukraine, these people were mostly just lumpen that got hired by oligarchs as goons, the neo-nazi shit took off after the US got involved.
>i don't care about the holodomor either way, supposing it was literally true stalin was still based. Why would you even entertain the possibility ? taking propaganda designed to manufacture consent for war at face value is nuts. I don't get it, the source for this was literally called propaganda ministry of the third Reich.
>my one regret is not remembering to include a disclaimer making that clear. it's not about the holodomor, why bring it up in the first place
>it's about the obvious sublimation of anti-ukraine posting.what does that mean ?
Are you sublimating anti-Ukraine with anti-us-puppet-regime -posting ?
No.533370
>>533369>I don't know what you mean, or how the Ukraine happening is related to pre WW2 propaganda from Nazi Germanythe simplified version: i have seen people who instinctively want ukraine to lose the war but aren't brave enough to admit that, so when war broke out and was condemned they pivoted to a series of things - such as "debunking the holodomor" - which are clearly being done to sublimate the desire to say something vaguely negative about ukraine without mentioning the war that's happening today. (were they just coincidental, one would expect people who talked a lot about the buildup to war might have something to say about the actual
war!) I think that such a stance is more embarrassing than falling entirely in line with mainstream liberal public opinion and just waving Ukraine flags until something else comes along, because it's cowardly.
i mention the holodomor only because it's one of the things they did - if they were going back over Eurovision entries in years when Ukraine's were shit I'd have said that instead, but alas it's easier to get the sparknotes on the holodomor from someone else than it is for Eurovision.
No.533371
>>533223if he did he would need to use nuclear weapons
No.533372
i may have placed a $450 bet on kyiv (formerly kiev) falling in 26 hours based on info i read in a previous thread. is it safe to save that i'll win it?
No.533373
>>533372what's the thread? does it comment on the supply line issues? I'm inclined to say no, the russian military isn't exactly known for it's logistics capabilities.
No.533374
>>533372I think that was too optimistic. This war can go 2 weeks or even months. Of cause there can be positive surprised but you should never count on it,
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