NEW: A senior Canadian official tells me that Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland has been working the phones since Tuesday to build support for cutting Russia off from its foreign currency reserves.
It looks like the EU has reached consensus on that point tonight.
https://twitter.com/Justin_Ling/status/1497714704327876614?s=20&t=dfAVOtNxpCO0W-7kp7iwSQ>>532705>movie recommendationLa Haine
>snack recommendationKremowka
How much will the sanctions hurt Russia? Won’t they still be able to trade with China, India, Iran, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Syria, Venezuela, et cetera?
>>532701more like europeans think slavs are "white"
t. slav
>>532733This a online survey on a website that anyone can vote on by visiting the website. It's totally meaningless
A poll done by a pollster that takes into population, age is what matters
>>532737ASIATIC HORDES
=THROAT SINGING=
>>532737All hail the fourth political theory
All hail eurasia
All hail dugin
All hail putin
>>532778Fair, but still. Conquering major cities usually takes a while in modern wars.
t. followed Syria closely
>>532786>This war is caused by… idealismno
>This war is caused by… realpolitikno
Read theory
>>532797Did the people who made that painting think it would make me feel sorry for them?
The fascists got what they deserved, no more, no less
>>532824They said they're complying with the Minsk agreements.
Right before they started shelling Donbass.
>>532788>>532791>>532793Thx for replying
>>532803Kek basically
Also isn't the number 2 realist option just an application of Marxism if you see the history as constructed not essential and 'real interest' based
>>532839There were not planning any offensive operations, their actions were purely defensive in character. :^)
t. Ukrainian army brass
>>532831Wouldn't go that far. His main retardation is analyzing current events like this war as if he was analyzing movies. It's his own limitation and pure ideology.
BTW, this directly follows from his break with Althusser, who emphasized the material basis of ideologies (state institutions, family, etc.) while Zizek's "radical" (retrograde, really) step is to completely desubstantialize it.
>>532861I thought you were gonna redpill me on some postmodern hetero shit
Thats pretty basic and ok
>>532689Captured Russian soldier crying.
"I don't want to be here, I don't want to be here!"
>>532835What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in Spetsnaz, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Georgia, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire Russian armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the Serbia and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Russian Naval Infantry and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
>>532892 those were not anti fascists kremlin>>532892
bot
>>532837realpolitik is a bourgeois construct that mystifies the relations between states
"russia is going to war because if ukraine joins NATO that infringes upon russia's security" blah blah blah DOESN'T TELL US ANYTHING ABOUT WHY NATO AND RUSSIA ARE ANTAGONISTIC ENTITIES OR WHY NATO BORDERING RUSSIA IS A BIG DEAL
IT ASSUMES THAT WE "KNOW" BY WAY OF "COMMON SENSE" (WE DON'T)
>>532880>r/genzedongWhat no theory does to a mf: The subreddit.
>ok so what's the anti-imp/ML take on this?Its a senseless slaughter, as most wars are. The only sensible position to take is hope for peace as quickly as possible. As a communist, you dont have a side here. I dont see how either Russian victory or defeat would help bring about the revolution.
>>532951Until one can achieve global hegemony… for science of course!
Realpolitik is bullshit
>>532938>>532929If Putin poker-faced throughout the entire trashing of the Minsk protocols and mass slaughter in Donetsk and Lugansk, well… the US would probably sanction Russia, anyway, and then escalate the situation by urging Ukraine into pushing into Crimea.
Might as well secure Ukraine first.
>>532960>jewishI don't know if you've heard, but the Israeli government is pretty much taking advice from the Nazi Playbook on how to treat the Palestinians.
And there were jewish nazis as well. Some of them even sold out their own people.
>>532965>denazification But that's not the Russian aim.
By Putin's own words, they're aiming for "decomunization".
>>532985Based burger opposing Russian imperialism.
Seethe more.
>>532737This might be the most blatently racist thing msm has printed in a minute.
These motherfuckers literally revoked his whiteness as a punishment.
>>532995I have you blathering moron, you're the one that hasn't.
>>792719That's not what Lenin's book says. Lenin says that imperialism is a stage of capitalism that results from the rule of financial capital in a country; Russia is a financial capital country. It's an imperialist country by Lenin's definition.
>>532995 is just such a low autism score moron that he can't manage to read a sentence more complex than; "putin big dick haha"
>>533008they only had to throw the nazis under the bus, stop venerating bandera and stop killing people
>>533012Tyagnibok
>>533032Nice to see someone who actually has been paying attention and knows what they're talking about.
Reminder to all the low autism score Putin shills: go watch his speech. He hates Lenin. He hates communism. He wants to restore Russian borders to what they were during the Russian Empire days ideally, though he obviously can't do that, so he has to settle for trying to set up a puppet regime in Ukraine.
>>533037You do realize the Russians have Nazi militias in Donbass and Luhansk right? Same guys that helped found Wagner.
Ukrainians are the ones killing Nazis right now. Seethe more, faggot.
>>533050Hey I could have been a femoid.
But it's hardly like Russia is pro gay either, I'd be fucked either way.
>>533052Sure. Obviously this war is a travesty. But just saying there's a few upsides.
>>533029You have to mobilize some degree of popular support to have a war and the way Russia's currently doing that is by putting Donbass refugees on TV and having them talk about Azov/Neo-Nazi atrocities.
Letting them run wild was a horrific own goal that undercuts Ukraine's claims to peacefulness and territorial integrity
>>533051False equivocation. Russia is invading for geopolitical-economic reasons (pro-Russian puppet regimes, overland access to Crimea, they're only warm water port, etc).
U.S invaded for geopolitical-economic reasons as well. You're a moron if you don't see that, the difference is, Putin was honest about why he was invading in his Big Bad speech.
Please grow a brain.
>>533040His speech was about how Ukraine is a failed state that's become a colony defining itself on the repudiation of Russia, so even its idea of decommunizing is contradictory. Bolsheviks had a failed nation building project that's now been used to turn the countries against each other.
He's not really wrong. His solutions are.
>>532906>liberatedBut at what cost? War really hits different when your family is invested in it. Burgers and others on /leftypol/ with cheeto dust on their keyboard and mouse are just cushily observing this spectacle here.
My grandmother is hunkered down in the basement of a hospital where she works for 3 days now, I'm worried that if she steps foot outside the front door she will get instakilled by volkssturm inadequates. Her apartment has a networked alarm that can send a phone notif if looters break in, hopefully nothing happens.
I was walking home today down bayswater road in London past the russian consulate, there were several drunk protestors grunting like chimps and waving signs, the outer walls of the consulate were packed with anti russian memes and news posts. they were guarded by 4 cops on both sides and there was one schizo clutching a bottle of wine and foaming at the mouth at "Vladolf Putler". Never thought I'd hear the phrase said out loud in person but here we are. I asked them "Привіт, хто з вас тут з України?" and they only had blank stares for me, none of them were Ukrainian, just angloid liberals.
It's all the fault of these liberals. These anglo, nato, west, etc etc. They did this to my people. Why? Why do we have to be the punching boy of imperialism? Is it because we have seen so much success in socialism and now we must be punished for it?
I've lived in London for a few years now and I've got the urge to do something adventurous now. Maybe this urge will be gone when I wake up sober, who knows
>>533066They were already a NATO proxy. Ukraine sent troops with the U.S. army to Syria and Iraq.
It wasn't a member, but as Colombia where part of their army are sent to fight in the middle east, they too were the U.S. subservient.
>>533028The Ukrainian side is sounding a lot like the Armenian side during the recent war there where there's a lot of hype about imaginary fighter aces, some individual Russian vehicles being destroyed (ultimately meaningless) and small tactical victories involving what are basically just probes to determine the disposition of the (disorganized) Ukrainian defense while the main Russian force hasn't even arrived yet. Once it does, Kiev is going to be surrounded.
So where is the Ukrainian army? Probably far to the east along the Donbass line of contact where they've been "fixed" in place. If they try to fall back across the country to Kiev, they're going to be exposed on the roads – vulnerable to Russian air attack and prone to being cut off by rapidly moving Russian mechanized forces moving across the countryside.
>>533077>Russia either restores its Russian Empire-USSR borderThis is a glowy talking point
Nata expansion caused this war
>>533066Let Rep. Adam Schiff explain it to you
https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1497593878295236609#m>>533090What an absolutely idiotic take. You're not allowed to open carry an assault rifle in a bank because no one trusts you, even if you promise you won't use it or there are guards that also have assault rifles.
>>533043Nup son, you can argue that there may be fascists on the novorosyian side and I might not disagree with you, but Russian nationalism disallows them from being total literal Nazis in the same way Ukrainian nationalism encourages it
>>533040He was slightly more nuanced than that he equivocated on what whether Lenin did could be justified by the circumstances and got angry when talking about the ukrainians removing Lenin statues which comports with a flustered response he gave to a reporter ambushing him and criticising Lenin in the question a while ago where he responded that; Lenin is like a saint you can't criticise him on human terms and also the ideological education he would have recieved in his youth
ie.
>Lenin lived, Lenin lives, Lenin will live again >>533101They got their asses handed to them by the Chechens at fist too but honestly this is the most succinct explanation of events I've seen ITT.
USSR fell, and now Russia is a burning trash pile of Putinist retardation, and is getting humiliated by Ukrainians of all people.
>>533029seems they're invading for all of the above really.
-The Ukraine regime has reneged on the Minsk peace agreements and declared war to forcibly retake the Donbas and Crimea, which means Russia was already going to be fighting a war with them over these issues anyway.
-The Ukrainian regime (and their DC puppet masters) has dismissed any negotiation over future NATO membership (any such talk is a "non-starter"), which tells Russia that they are going for such membership at some point, which means an explicitly anti-Russian military alliance will move to their borders and install dangerous weapons systems that threaten Russia.
-The Ukraine regime has aligned itself with neo-nazi elements and used them to attack Russian people in the Donbas and elsewhere and have embarked on a 'de-Russification' campaign in language, culture and history.
They invaded to end the war over Donbas and Crimea, to end the NATO threat (their Cuban Missile Crisis), and to end an anti-Russian cleansing campaign spearheaded by neo-Nazi groups that are embraced and/or tolerated by the Ukrainian regime.
The Ukrainian regime made itself a DC puppet regime and was allowing itself to be used as a tool to "fight Russia over there", which meant adopting hardline stances and non-negotiation on all the above issues under the "advice" of DC, which included perpetual war with Russia over the eastern regions that would drag out for years or decades.
They invaded to put an end to the war sooner rather than later.
>>533101It took the storeshitters 3 weeks to conquer Iraq kid, and that was against a sanctioned to hell and back country, go ask donkeytale to confirm this if you don't believe me
Meanwhile It's been a couple of days and the Russians have encircled Kiev
>>533119They should try to link up all the three fronts into one contiguous frontline IMHO.
I hope for further progress in Northern Luhansk and in Mariupol area tomorrow.
>>533126im not even trying to argue anymore
im stating facts
>>533115Haz being sane in his comments. Well, gotta follow the guy, now.
Meanwhile, earlier in Kharkov. (NIGHT)
>>533152Russian MRE
A gift bag would be pretty sweet though
>>533174Russia has a brainless system, that if in case of detecting that the center command is non-existent (i.ex. they were targeted by a suppressive nuke) the system picks all functioning silos across Russia and launches attacks to all possibles points on earth.
It's named Dead Hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_HandComes from the USSR, and the U.S. pretty much has the same.
Very apocalyptic. Enjoy idealization of things.
>>533196And not only that.
U.S had NATO support.
>>532960>while jew_president == true:<print('it's impossible for nazis exist in Ukraine lalalalalala, i refuse to pay attention at reality')Where did you acquire such military grade levels of retadation? Harvested the brains of /pol/ users or something?
You people are unsalvageable.
>>533087>Europe will now have to import gas/oil from USA and USA puppets,Europe will continue importing gas from Russia, this is just real politic, it's cheaper and there is not enough capacity to replace Russian gas. The Swift ban is likely cutting around the gas trade anyway. If that swift ban isn't just a paper tiger it will likely speed up the move away from the dollar being the worlds reserve currency.
>>533090>'NATO expansion' is a meaningless conceptNATO expansion is real, you must be a NATO shill for attempting to deny this. After the dissolution of the Warsaw pact Russia agreed to pull back it's forces and nuclear bases from post soviet countries in exchange for a promise that NATO membership would not be expanded. You can't really blame for Russia reacting to such a blatant breach of trust at some point. This is blowback of US aggression towards Russia.
By the way this war began when the US invaded Ukraine with a coup and government overthrow in Kiev during the Euromaidan color revolution. Since the US has been collaborating with Ukranian Nazis, the Russians could be forgiven for thinking that NATO expansion had similarities with the Nazi eastwards expansion during WW2. Just consider how it looks like from Moscow's perspective to have a swastika-waving force-build-up near your border. They have seen this before and might not want to take any chances.
>Russia and NATO both have thousands of nukes, neither can attack the other regardlessSo if Russia were to overthrow the government of Mexico and build military bases right next to US boarder, there would be nothing to worry about since the US has many nukes ? Do you even realise how crazy and unhinged it is what you are suggesting
>>533213Yeah. Russian doctrine is very aggressive and is designed to withstand higher casualties than U.S. doctrine.
>>792961That video has a very Futurist aesthetic. There's also a video of them doing a full-blown Nuremberg rally LARP on that channel.
>>533231facebook actually just
lifted the band on Ukrainian neonazi propaganda for the purpose of this war
>>533202sentimental slav dance cringe + operator /k/ cringe
yup, it's fashoids
>>533252Zelinskyyyy floated idea of peace talks and ukraine neutrality yesterday.
immediately called a traitor and threatened with coup by azov nazis that he's allowed to infiltrate the gov and sec forces.
But there's no nazi problem there. putler made it up.
>>532705tbh on the contrary it's made me more skeptical of western 'anti-imperialists'. liberals have behaved more or less as expected, and so are easy to ignore.
the ones who take a pro russia line are just sort of ignorable or contrarian (and i mean whatever, we're all watching a war on TV here), but the ones who refuse to endorse russia, or indeed to talk about the war at all, but surreptitiously happen to be going off about how ukranians are nazis or the holodomor didn't happen or whatever just hit me as being on the highest level of cope. they can't bring themselves to endorse the war, but they're clearly too cowardly to get on the pro-ukraine bandwagon either. (you might go "oh, but real wars are nuanced!", but if that's the case they probably shouldn't have been going on about the buildup and then shut the fuck up once the invasion actually happened.)
i don't care what side anyone's on so long as they're not a coward. or an idiot, with some selective tolerance of good natured idiocy.
>>533251Ukraine is like a modern-day Weimar Germany, as Ukraine is getting ripped apart by both Russia and the West. Azov and other fascist paramilitary groups are an extreme reaction to Russia. But it also exists in a paradoxical relationship with the West – since they identify with the West, but they position themselves as "more Western than the Westerners." Obviously, they see the West as decadent and cosmopolitan and faggy and all that. You also have a trend where NATO countries have pushed the Ukrainian government to take a maximalist position vis-a-vis Russia so no compromise is possible and have moved weapons and advisors into the country. In that extreme, polarized environment, the most extreme groups win out. At the same time, Western countries have flooded Ukraine with liberal NGOs that use a lot of "progressive"-sounding language which helps the far-right recruit more people – the liberals provoke the reaction which is then weaponized by the same oligarchs and governments. Like a chemical reaction, these intense contradictions compact together in a manner similar to an explosion to "break out" of the impasse.
The actual result is that they're going to get wrecked by the Russian army. But it's an instructive lesson in fascism. I see it as like the grandiose acceleration of existing contradictions of societies facing a fundamental material-systemic crisis. Like, the 20th century fascist regimes were enthralled by empire-building at a time when old-style empires were falling apart, and they embraced the rush to death as a spiritual pursuit. They attempted to build these empires on a very rapid and sped-up timescale with intense violence which previous empires had built up over centuries. Or you can think of it as liberalism entering into terroristic self-defense mode against genuine revolutionary change (i.e. communism back then) that looms as the old society is breaking down.
>>533086Armenia actually held out territorially for a while, people thought they were repelling attacks but they were just being softened up by bombardment until the real offensive came and the front line collapsed.
Ukraine, OTOH, is seeing large swaths of land occupied day 1 and has no mountains to retreat into.
>>533226cut the phones internet and power instead of letting ukraine get real time updates from nato
but then civvies also dont get info
>>533270>>533276>>533278bruh look at the sorce for that poll
this is evidence that propaganda is not working as well as they expected
>>533286Yes he is.
There's also the fact that the national myth of Ukraine, when faced with Götterdämmerung, will lead to violence directed inwards towards "internal enemies," so that the motherland could be pure in death or some other fascistic nonsense.
By way of example, see the Siege of Königsberg during World War II. The SS and Volkssturm unleashed tremendous violence when the siege started – but not at the Red Army that was besieging them! The crisis of the siege caused an outpouring of internal violence, paradoxically intended to strengthen the defense. It's a very strange, sad contradiction.
In the final year of World War II, as bitter defensive fighting moved to German soil, a wave of intra-ethnic violence engulfed the country. The Wehrmacht's retreat into Germany contributed significantly to the spike of violence which occurred throughout the country immediately prior to defeat. Soldiers arriving with an ingrained barbarized mindset, developed on the Eastern Front, shaped the immediate environment of the area of operations, and of Nazi Germany as a whole.
LOL check out just what the US army published 5 months ago:
https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Journals/Military-Review/English-Edition-Archives/July-August-2021/Stringer-Russian-Occupied-Zone/Yeah even if conventional ops are over soon this will turn into a protracted shit war, thanks DoD
>>533304Protracted Nazi War
The USA are the most successful revolutionaries in history
>>533267>the holodomor didn't happenWait a moment, the holodomor thing, that was the claimthat Stalin created a famine on purpose, this dates back to anti communist Nazi-Germany propaganda from just before World War two. Are you seriously taking that position ?
Stalin paid the clouds not to rain and caused a crop failure with a plight. What the fuck man ?
>>533297it's not so much about picking a side as people who've obviously got a side, or some instincts towards a side, but are too cowardly to show it or to revise their prejudices in light of new information. as i say: it's one thing to say "actually, this is a nuanced situation" and another to run your mouth about how this is actually very simple right up until the moment of invasion, then go very quiet once the tanks actually roll in.
there are people who've bothsides'd it i've not said anything about. Corbyn comes to mind as having made both anti-NATO and anti-Invasion statements, which is a position essentially consistent with everything he's said in the past.
>>533319that's not what dyslexia is
>>533323in fairness, it's a perfectly valid tactic in human communication:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth(keep an eye out for it on imageboards. pronunciation might not be available as a test, but there are plenty of other stylistic differences in text that people will try to make use of.)
>>533326the point isn't whether the holodohoax happened or not, it's that when you're going on about it right now, after having talked about the buildup to the invasion and then suddenly saying nothing about the actual war, it's more obvious than not that you're a coward who wants to say "ukraine bad" without actually saying it.
i don't care about the holodomor either way, supposing it was literally true stalin was still based. my one regret is not remembering to include a disclaimer making that clear. it's not about the holodomor, it's about the obvious sublimation of anti-ukraine posting.
>>533328this
there's no war going on
nothing burger
>>533349?
You mean it's very obvious when someone knows dick about history, socialism, or Marxist theory?
>>532979The guy saying "it's very sad for me because i'm seeing blonde blu eyed people being killed" is a former deputy prosecutor-general
reactoids are monsters who will infiltrate everywhere and debase civilization from its core
>>533339>that's not what dyslexia isYep sorry my bad dyslexia is a reading disorder. Should have said apraxia or aphasia or any speech disorder.
>>533351But wait, there's more!
>>533361no, she doesn't think it's her fault at all. the only one at fault is putler, of course.
but she's just a bit player. it's the whole obama/clinton world. they are all fucking lunatics and chaos agents. every time they have power they run around setting different parts of the world on fire and leaving chaos and strife in their wake. it's not a coincidence that nobody gave af about Ukraine for four years, and a year after they're back in power it's potential WW3 over it. This won't be the last chaos either. They might fire up the Syria war again, or somewhere else, who knows.
Trump/Repub foreign policy is shit too but nobody holds a candle to these nuts.
>>533339>the point isn't whether the holodohoax happened or not, it's that when you're going on about it right now, after having talked about the buildup to the invasion and then suddenly saying nothing about the actual war, it's more obvious than not that you're a coward who wants to say "ukraine bad" without actually saying it.I don't know what you mean, or how the Ukraine happening is related to pre WW2 propaganda from Nazi Germany. Should i tell you my opinion about Ukraine now ? It was regular shit before and when the US installed a puppet regime that funneled money, weapons and cia training instructors to unironic swastika wearing Hitler saluting neo-nazis it got a lot shittier. It also got shittier because of all the neoliberal economics. Before the US shitting CIA crap into Ukraine, these people were mostly just lumpen that got hired by oligarchs as goons, the neo-nazi shit took off after the US got involved.
>i don't care about the holodomor either way, supposing it was literally true stalin was still based. Why would you even entertain the possibility ? taking propaganda designed to manufacture consent for war at face value is nuts. I don't get it, the source for this was literally called propaganda ministry of the third Reich.
>my one regret is not remembering to include a disclaimer making that clear. it's not about the holodomor, why bring it up in the first place
>it's about the obvious sublimation of anti-ukraine posting.what does that mean ?
Are you sublimating anti-Ukraine with anti-us-puppet-regime -posting ?
>>533369>I don't know what you mean, or how the Ukraine happening is related to pre WW2 propaganda from Nazi Germanythe simplified version: i have seen people who instinctively want ukraine to lose the war but aren't brave enough to admit that, so when war broke out and was condemned they pivoted to a series of things - such as "debunking the holodomor" - which are clearly being done to sublimate the desire to say something vaguely negative about ukraine without mentioning the war that's happening today. (were they just coincidental, one would expect people who talked a lot about the buildup to war might have something to say about the actual
war!) I think that such a stance is more embarrassing than falling entirely in line with mainstream liberal public opinion and just waving Ukraine flags until something else comes along, because it's cowardly.
i mention the holodomor only because it's one of the things they did - if they were going back over Eurovision entries in years when Ukraine's were shit I'd have said that instead, but alas it's easier to get the sparknotes on the holodomor from someone else than it is for Eurovision.
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