>>549877he looks tired.
will get a long nap, soon
>>549908You're suffering from selective information. There's nazis everywhere because capitalism is in crisis. Germany also has a serious problem with neonazis in their military and police, but nobody wants to do anything about it - and you know how touchy they are about their history.
t. slav
>>549926On the one hand it's work, on the other you are then missing "useful" enforcers.
Germany is not comparable to Ukraine however, where Azov and similar trash wear their Nazi insignia openly and what have you.
>>549937american official bad geography
please laugh (or cry, whichever applies)
>>549945hey now
don't interrupt your enemy making a mistake
>>549945This, not even /pol/ would volunteer to die for globohomo.
Cuc/k/s on the other hand….
>>549908A) Collapse of USSR led to an explosion in the number of lumpens, and lumpens often tend towards fascism (think of skinhead gangs in the West).
B) Slav Nazis think that Generalplan Ost is a Jewish lie and the Nazis just wanted to free them from communism.
>>549964Sanctions will affect everyone.
Russia will be the slight winner, as they've prepared themselves for this, but everyone will be hit somewhat equally.
>>549964One week in and Ukrainians are losing half the country
Propaganda copes don't win wars
>>549977Everyone posts "I'm in route" shit but apparently no one has ever seen combat yet.
Might all be a very dumb ruse, who knows?
>>549979Almost 1/4 to be precise.
If they keep going on like this they will control all of Ukraine in a month, that is if the entire country doesn't collapse after Kiev falls.
>>549992Anglo individualism makes them a liability. They grow up on hollywood and games and think wars are decided on an individual level by heroes
Even if you are ex spec ops you are not immune to being ambushed or blown apart by artillery or a drone
Suburban westoids that have never even been in a fight before are going to fare even worse
>>549902Chechens speak Russian. And Russian and Ukrainian…
I know some Russians and I can understand Ukrainian… they are tooooo similar. I am a Spanish native speaker and I can't find a way to compare with another language. For example, Spanish and Portuguese aren't even this close.
It's like if you have a Mexican living in a ghetto ho uses only ghetto slang, and you put an Argentinian living in a Guetto that uses only ghetto slang and both tried to communicate. There are words they don't use, but definitively they will understand one to each another.
WHAT IS THIS RETARD ON ABOUT?
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1499418527069093890?s=21⚡️⚡️Zelensky to Putin: Get off our land
"If you don't want to leave now - sit down with me at the negotiating table, I'm free. But not by 30 meters, like with Macron, Scholz - I'm a neighbor! I don't bite. I'm a normal man, sit down with me, talk to me, what are you afraid of?"
>>550013All 4x GS games are shit. All of them.
Read a book instead
>Join military, die in dumb bourgeois warNo
>>550037>The Sanctions haven't been felt yet and will likely hurt the west more than RussiaWhat makes you think that? Is it because Russia is already used to sanctions, and will probably just trade with China anyways?
I've heard from other Anons that the rising gas prices will just be a nothingburger and Westerners will just grind through it. I don't know how accurate that is.
Chernihiv when?
>>550060seems like a geographically strategic position to hold
>>550077Russia doesn't have communism.
North Korea does.
>>550093Sure, but at this point that's nearly impossible
>>550094Westerners aren't well known for thinking of the future
>>550110>Doesn't provide proofCIA s
aboteurhill
>>550113Libs are always one crisis away from fascism
Never forget who put Mussolini and Hitler in power
>>550110well, yes, but those were more in a humorous vein
like, say, some bus station kiosk in fucking chelyabinsk would put up a note about refusing service to obama
>>550106idc, not like these retards have any more influence than i do to influence events. least we can do is have a good consistent position instead of pretending like youre going to help epig putin destroy NATO with meme magic shitposts
predicting that were going to see some insane cope on here in the coming months as putin cracks down on communists & socialists for anti-war civil unrest, assuming theyre western glowies instead of people with enough of a brain to take advantage of domestic discontent to advance revolutionary politics
>>550130Sauce?
>>550136I think a lot of this is operating at a higher ideological level too, where moral absolutism is making it impossible for people to have realistic perceptions about what's going on or how to respond to it. Like, Russia invades Ukraine; Nazis invade Ukraine > Therefore > Russia is Nazi. So if you think what's happening is a Nazi-like war of extermination rather than what it looks like, which is a great power playing power politics with other peoples' lives – then no sacrifice is too great when it comes to resisting the invader. They should burn the whole country to the ground if they have to – sacrifice every man, woman, and child – if it means stopping the Asiatic hordes from beating down the gates of Europa.
The unrealism and unseriousness of it all is astounding. The moral certainty has made any real moral calculus impossible.
>>550146Isn't that because they're pro Russian?
I mean i guess by that logic they should red out Belarus too.
>>550161MOOOODS, khokhols are at it again, spamming demoralization shit
Russia confiscates cell phones from their troops. Try harder next time.
>>550155What the hell? He looks and sounds like an alcoholic uncle.
He should just kill himself already.
>>550161t. the ghost of kiev
or more like the glow of kiev, kekekekekeke
>>550155>No jets>No no fly zone>EU still not letting Ukraine join>Major cities captured and sieged>NATO not sending anything other than infantry weaponsI don't envy him
>>550161I wonder if the plan was to either have them succeed in 48 hours or just let recon units die eating javelins and drone missiles. Not surprised so many have surrendered
>>550161Tell me about the mobile crematoriums that they actually didn't use because they had to cannibalize the dead to survive in-between pushing the tanks to the battlefield because there is no fuel.
And then the tanks ate the men and the rats ate the tanks and then Putinist necromancy brought them all back to fight again.
>>550190He's getting more unhinged and desperate each day. Yesterday he was basically quoting Lord of the Rings.
He knows the West will sacrifice his whole country. I would start drinking too.
>>550193He's head mod of r/hoi4
Sorry Ukrops but in the real world the gamer gets the Mariupol
>>550216>nowI'm fairly sure Biden said early on that there's no way in hell he would send troops.
>>550214What's the background from?
Can anyone get a good screencap of him looking at the camera? I'll try to add the
JUST faace to him.
>>550155>>550220About that…
US says it is still considering India sanctions after it abstained in UN vote on Ukrainehttps://www.independent.co.uk/asia/india/india-ukraine-sanction-biden-unga-b2027646.html
>The US has once again hinted at sanctioning India over the purchase of a missile defence system from Russia as the South Asian nation continues to balance its relations between the west and Moscow.
>[…]The US’s Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) mandates sanctions against those buying arms from Russia, unless certain exceptions apply or the president chooses to waive them. It has already been used to sanction Turkey for a purchase from Russia.>Before the Ukraine conflict, it had been seen as likely the US would waive sanctions over India’s S-400 purchase, with Delhi arguing the equipment was a necessary deterrent against China.You are with us or against us.
>>550230This is turning out to be one hell of a plan alright.
All Zelensky had to do was get on the U.S. offered Bain plain like Ashraf Ghani did when he bailed out of Afghanistan before the women and kids even got to the airport.
But NOOOOO he has to tell Putin to suck his dick, tell the U.S. to stop being such pussies and instead send him ammo.
Monkey in the wrench. Zero contingency planning for the European Dancing With The Stars champion to stay and face down the combined military forces of Russia, two break away regions, Chechnya and Belarus.
Worlds maddest lad confirmed dabbing of Vlad like a little monkey hiding 100 feet down in a Siberian bunker paranoid as shit that the junta is going to come tear down the bunker door any second.
>>550211You know anybody can write a fucking Z on a vehicle, right? Also, this isn't the symbol of the Red Cross, it's simply a symbol for medical equipment, e.g. something that is part of the military.
What spooks me about these videos is that we still haven't seen any evidence of an actual Ukrainian victory in an engagement. I've seen plenty of videos of Russian victories in battle, and I also saw some drone footage by Ukraine. I also don't doubt that in the mud, the Russians certainly have to abandon some of their shit. But I've never ever seen Ukrainian troops
actually winning. I think this type of mentality is dangerous because it encourages Ukrainians to throw their life away in false hope.
>>550241Putin has an article about how Ukrainians are delusional Russians whose identity was invented by Germans
en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181
=AMERICAN-INDIAN SPLIT==
https://twitter.com/sidhant/status/1499433405913899013?t=lBiW5zXcPseURW_-nsOv_A&s=19PUTLER IS DRIVING THE WEDGE BETWEEN INDIA AND USA EVEN FURTHER
>>550248>we still haven't seen any evidence of an actual Ukrainian victory in an engagementBecause there are none. There is no Steinerenko coming to save Kiev. Despite some clumsy opening moves, Russia has this thing in the bag at the operational level - main Ukrainian formation pocketed in the east, capital semi-envelloped, and that's after only a week of relatively restrained attacks by second rate troops.
The only victories for Ukraine are in propaganda guzzling by westoids
>>550249Would you plan for this dude starting a national resistance movement?
If Zelensky had fled, the government would have fallen, and the military command structure would be demoralized and surrender most likely.
>>549897wild how that keeps happening
anyway the swastika is a slavic pagan symbol, nothing to see here, slava ukraini
>>550279Lmao liberals trying to justify that shit like
>What were chinese students doing at Ukraine?Idk uygha, studying???
>>550309Putin:
"I am a Russian man. I have only Ivan and Marya in my family, as they say. But when I see examples of a man like Nurmagomed Ganzhimagomedov, a native of Dagestan, a Lak ethnicity, other warriors of ours, I want to say: I am a Lak, I am a Dagestani, I am a Chechen, an Ingush, a Russian, a Tatar, a Jew, a Mordvin, an Ossetian.”
>>550323already planning on using this
soon (tm)
>>550257Nuclear winter probably is not real, but it is disheartening that people believe it matters. The logic is something like this: if the conflict claims every human on Earth, then it cannot be allowed to transpire because then no one will be able to enjoy Freedom and Democracy. But if the conflict only claims, say, a mere 500,000,000 souls, then it is worth it because Freedom and Democracy are worth dying to preserve. It is a backwards, bloodthirsty view: people exist for the sake of ideology, rather than the converse.
It is already being used to justify the insane policies of Zelenskyy: it does not matter if the war is hopeless and the Russians have no interest in eradicating the people of Ukraine, because they want to do something worse in taking away their Freedom and Democracy. So we may as well throw as many souls into the meat grinder as it will take to delay the loss of Freedom and Democracy, the only things worth living for in the first place. Insanity.
>>550324I don't think it's entirely cynical, Putin knows that without it then they'll cleave them all off one by one and have them all fight, and it would be the ruin of them all.
Totally cynical would be like the US where lip service is constantly paid to minorities and diversity to the point of cultish ritual but nothing is actually done to try and fix the issues between them.
>>550331The second pic showing a "burning unknown vessel" might be an old pic from a naval exercise.
>>550340Well we don't know where that video was taken. It could've been off the coast of Crimea. I'm wondering if the Russians will attempt an amphibious landing in Odessa. On the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me if this was a feint to create that appearance to tie up Ukrainian forces in Odessa.
>>550331This has been already discussed:
>Fake: In the area of the Odesa Bay, the Armed Forces of Ukraine flooded a landing ship of Russian troops, according to Ukrainian telegram channels.Truth: We refuted this fake in our channel on March 2. It turned out that the news about the sinking of the Russian ship itself was unreliable. Today, new details have appeared: there is evidence that on March 2, a Panamanian cargo ship HELT was sunk by a missile of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on March 2 in the indicated water area. Ukrainian telegram channels first tried to pass it off as a destroyed Russian amphibious assault ship and then put forward a different version. According to it, the ships of the Russian Federation, under the threat of fire, demanded that the civilian vessel HELT enter the Black Sea in order to hide behind it like a human shield. This information is not true, most likely, the Ukrainian media, using this thesis, are trying to justify their armed forces for the murder of civilians.
Top Editor at Russia-Backed RT Quits in Protest of Ukraine Invasion
https://www.mediaite.com/news/top-editor-at-russia-backed-rt-reportedly-quits-in-protest-of-ukraine-invasion/top editor at Kremlin-backed media conglomerate RT has quit her job in protest of Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.
Maria Baronova, the editor in chief of RT’s Russian-language edition, said she resigned from the outlet in an interview with news outlet Znak.
Baronova told Znak she “has nothing left to talk about” with those who support the invasion of Ukraine, and would not be speaking further about her resignation on social media platforms.
>>550351remember during the 2014 people quit Russian today on air
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thlb_P46LmAand abby Martin from rt america criticized ukraine
>>550370This doesn't even make sense, do you think states aren't capable of keeping secrets or something?
>>550371It's probably because the war is wrecking the already shitty economy in Russia.
>>550366Man, I sure hope
SarumanPutin doesn't have any surprises…
>>550360The world, or isolationism.
Do you think this war will soften the hearts of some world leaders and strike for more unity, alliances, trade pacts and cooperation?
One things for sure, everything will be different after this. the rules have been reset.
>>550258Reminds me of that gif of a CIA server running alone in a bunker in a post-apocalyptic future, posting shit like "nuclear exchange with China was the correct decision" to reddit until the end of time.
Does anyone have it? It doesn't seem to be on the booru.
>>550379
>The level of Russians' confidence in President Vladimir Putin has increased from 60% to 71% in a week, according to a poll by FOM.Other comrades here have posted other polls.
This is the lowest I've found, others raised Putin's popularity to up tp 89%.
>>550378>asks proofs>from a reply to a post without proofsSmells ukrop intensively in this post.
>>550375I think it's disingenuous NATO propaganda that seeks to imply the conflict is caused by Putin's flights of whimsy and throw everything else ,especially NATO's escalation under the rug.
With the characteristic initialization of propaganda.
>>550405>from a reply to a post without proofsI'm sorry that you don't watch any news that doesn't confirm your bias, but the anti-war protests in Moscow were a major story yesterday.
I can't read this poll, but for the sake of argument let's say it's true. It's still doesn't mean there's a strong anti-war movement in Russia. The poster I was responded to said it was completely astroturfed.
>>550407And look how well that worked out for us….
First as TikTok upload, then as Instagram.
>>550395>The world against RussiaBut is it
The Free World(tm)? Or are we talking about those icky brainwashed useful idiots that don't know what's good for them?
>>550433yeah fuck offffffffffffffffffff
boo you such
>>550422>I'm sorry that you don't watch any news that doesn't confirm your bias>no u
>but the anti-war protests in Moscow were a major story yesterday.>in a country of 145 million, 2k people are decessive.
>I can't read this poll, but for the sake of argument let's say it's true>oh no, because it's in cyrilic it's fakeWhat are you doing here in a thread of Rus/Ukr if you can't understand shit of what's happening? I am translatating the best I can, if you don't like it, go to umod that posts everything in very well written English so it is obvious they are not talking to their Ukraianian popularion anymore.
>It's still doesn't mean there's a strong anti-war movement in RussiaAgain, the popularity of Putin raised, multiple polls has shown.
>The poster I was responded to said it was completely astroturfed.>implying liberals in Russian aren't astroturfed by western liberalsoh wow, it seems you have never been in a country with an U.S. embassy that requires "democracy" urgently.
>>550446I'm not going to take a poll at face value. My opinion of Russian sentiment was informed by the protests yesterday and other activists confirming the same thing.
Like who took this poll and what is their reputation. You can get all butthurt about these reasonable questions. If it's true, it's true and I'll concede the point.
>in a country of 145 million, 2k people are decessive.1400 people were arrested, so the protest was probably a lot bigger. Regardless, that's a lot of people to come to a protest after only a few days. All you tankies operate the same way, any little ambiguity in a point is blowing up to be AN EPIC BTFO! You're coping to the extreme if you think it's crazy to believe potentially causing WWIII might be unpopular.
>oh wow, it seems you have never been in a country with an U.S. embassy that requires "democracy" urgently.>Everything I don't like is astroturfed.*yawn* you guys say this about everything.
>>550454NATO has dumped their entire strategic man portable missile arsenal into the AO including Turkey supplying some really good advanced drone technology. the Swiss, the fucking Swiss are supplying 5000 advanced RPG systems.
The U.S. is probably sending every single Javelin and Stinger manpad they have in their inventory. Fighters are flooding across the border to help without wearing military uniforms.
Elon musk just shipped in a whole bunch of Starlink satellite systems.
>>550453>I'm not going to take a poll at face valueAnd here we are, the idealist liberal who rejects scientific data without giving counter factual scientific evidence to rebuke the point.
>Like who took this poll and what is their reputationI said "without using ad-hominems" kek
>My opinion of Russian sentiment was informed by the protests yesterday and other activists confirming the same thing.yeaaaah totally forming a bias around those 100% legit protests, kek.
>that's a lot of people to come to a protest after only a few days2k in a fucking city of millions
>that's a lotay lmao…. well, seems you have never been in a popular movement that is capable of gather millions.
>*yawn* you guys say this about everything.You are free to go. remember do not cry when zelinsky is arrested/couped by his military junta/killed, and Ukraine isuccumbs.
>>550476I don't think Europe will enjoy having a region flooded with uncontrolled arms, ununiformed soldiers, and thousands of unpaid foreign mercenaries with no declared allegiance occupying a place like Ukraine for any period of time.
The strategy right now is just extremely unclear.
>>550479Looks like a bald filter from tik too
Probably hoping to not end up butchered by an angry Chechen
>>550477Hahahaha
Is the face really from the leader?
>>550473>And here we are, the idealist liberal who rejects scientific data without giving counter factual scientific evidence to rebuke the point.Polls aren't inherently scientific.
>I said "without using ad-hominems" kekThat's not an ad-hominem, just a question.
>yeaaaah totally forming a bias around those 100% legit protests, kek.Russia has worse poverty wealth inequality and poverty than the US. Not sure why you think it's impossible for there to be significant opposition to the war. Especially since it could start WWIII.
>2k in a fucking city of millions You've never organized anyone, that's a lot for such short notice and is a harbinger for larger protests. And it was 1400 ARRESTED, not simply protesting.
>ay lmao…. well, seems you have never been in a popular movement that is capable of gather millions.I have actually.
>You are free to go. remember do not cry when zelinsky is arrested/couped by his military junta/killed, and Ukraine isuccumbs.Couldn't care less about Zelensky and haven't brought him up once. Maybe, just maybe not everyone who argues with you is that liberal strawman you built up in your head.
>>550496No you can get RT here still. There's no mechanism to ban it here. It would get overturned in court super fast.
T. 🍔
>>550482Strategy is simple.
What runs out first, the Javelins, RPG's, and Stingers
The bodies to use them
Or the Russian military hardware from Russia, Belarus and Chechnya
>>550517You better be uploading a good thread music theme for the upcoming Fresh thread
Its your turn
>>550488>Polls aren't inherently scientific. Motherfucker, of course they are, specifically they are used in the qualitative research methodology, lmao. Of course, you can frame a question to twist the results, but in that case you have to bring a counter-poll to dismiss the first one. You aren't doing such thing, retarded idealist, you rather want to look at the protest and believe it is a "Russian people are against the war" lmao STFU.
>That's not an ad-hominem, just a question.And you have the answer who did the research. And the question is evident you are doing an ad-hominem.
>Russia has worse poverty wealth inequality and poverty than the US.This is a lie, Russia has a better GINI coeff than the U.S.
>Not sure why you think it's impossible for there to be significant opposition to the war.Because the polls shows something quite different, you dumbshit.
>Especially since it could start WWIII.>non-sequitur.
>You've never organized anyoneBitch, I am in a party
>And it was 1400 ARRESTED, not simply protesting.Oh wow, in a city of 11.92 million surely Russians do not support the actions of their government.
>Maybe, just maybe not everyone who argues with you is that liberal strawman you built up in your head.>implying that you aren't building strawman in a thread to build a divert action against Russia using liberal idealism.Go fuck yourself.
>>550521That will look great for global metrics, the return of the Soviet Union in Europe. Surely NATO and all of Europe, and anyone in Europe who is not yet a member of NATO and is on the fence about it will want to negotiate and recognize these breakaway regions now right?
If the world was more tolerant of the soviet flag being displayed instead of the swastika, boy have I got news for yall.
Optics are a spook apparently.
Would hate to be a member of AntiFa in the U.S. marching openly in the near future in any western progressive nation. Gonna be bodies splattered with yellow and blue paint with roasties taking selfies over the corpses holding up peace signs saying 'I Stand with Ukraine!"
>>549964Ukraine will win with endless guerilla warfare, being severely damaged in the process
losing to a country "made up by the Bolsheviks" and the sanctions will completely wreck Russia, Venezuela-tier
t. anti-Russia Russian
>>550527>Motherfucker, of course they are,Motherfucker, of course they are,
No they aren't. You can change opinion with polls themselves. There's even a name for them, they're called push polls.
>You aren't doing such thing, retarded idealist, Right, I'm the idealist for not just taking your word for it. All these polls proving everyone loves Putin but no methodology or critical analysis of the polls.
>And you have the answer who did the researchNo I don't. You didn't say who did the poll.
>And the question is evident you are doing an ad-hominem.It's not, checking for bias is not an ad-homiem.
>This is a lie, Russia has a better GINI coeff than the U.S.They have a slumlord crisis and worse poverty that the US. It's widely recognized that the country is run by oligarchs.
>Because the polls shows something quite different, you dumbshit.Which is why I wanted to confirm the methodology. I'm open to being wrong, but I'm not going to just uncritically accept a blurry picture, especially when you say this sentiment is so well established.
>Especially since it could start WWIII.>non-sequitur.I think NATO is right next door if I'm not mistaken.
>Bitch, I am in a party(x) doubt
>Oh wow, in a city of 11.92 million surely Russians do not support the actions of their government.In 4 short days? Yes it's impressive.
>Go fuck yourself.*eyeroll*
>>550545I don't support Putin personally, but I certainly support his military operation to denazify ukraine.
Cope and seethe.
What will the long term consequences of this be? Russia's economy is probably fucked for a long time thanks to the sanctions, but this could lead to it falling under China's sphere of influence, not to mention the effects the EU will feel from losing access to Russian resources they depend on. Now you have the US threatening to sanction any country that isn't against Russia, even neutral nations, which will drive those states away from west.
>>550433Yes, but in the big picture this is unironically America's fault.
Translation:
>I, Lieutenant Colonel Chuikov Andrei Yurievich, appeal to all law enforcement officers of Ukraine, as well as cadets of paramilitary educational institutions and their parents!
>Stop resisting the legitimate people's power immediately! Lay down your weapons and join our liberation march on Kiev! The enemy, who brazenly uses your children in his criminal machinations and scams - does not value them more than a penny, and we consider them our brothers!
>Remember our common heroes! This is Colonel Tonkopiy, who died on the streets of Kharkov at the hands of Banderaevites, remember General Vatutin, who liberated our beloved city! There is enough room in our city for everyone: for Russians, for Ukrainians, Belarusians, and Jews!
>Kharkov is our city and we love it! Let's stop destroying it and make our lives better!
>The enemy will be defeated, the victory will be ours!
>>550560It's really iffy if China keeps trading with Russia. I think everyone forgets what a manufacturing powerhouse the US is because it outsourced everything to China.
But the US could easily bring all that back and sanction China too.
>>550579-americans are not willing to work at the wages the chinese are
-china can just say no and nationalize fireign owned factories
>>550529A lot of stuff, a weird ass to say "do not fight Russians".
First he talks about it's brother being Russian and Ukrainian, but the Ukrainian brothers were killing their brothers children (I guess it DBR talking?), then goes to say that stop reporting to Ukrainian government and report to Russia. Talks about a general leader that fought in the great war (WWII) which he's a like a liberator, Russian, but also Ukrainian by the liberation he did. And finally asks to surrender, because the "enemy will win", means Russia.
>>550582It's really not, the US manufacturing base was in even worse shape during the 1930's and they brought it all back up for WWII.
The US didn't even outsource it's most valuable stuff like airliners. Everyone crows about how China played the US but it's really the other way around.
>>550576all these retards got permanent marks on them that they are nazis
holy fuck they are all going to die lmao
>>550583>-americans are not willing to work at the wages the chinese areWhy would they have to?
>-china can just say no and nationalize fireign owned factoriesSure, but China still does not have a strong enough domestic market. Or manufacturing base, it can't build several big ticket items like a internationally competitive car. If China could build world competitive commodities without the US they would be doing it already. If the US left, a lot of China's manufacturing capability would leave with it.
>>550590Responsible Statecraft is like the left side of The Blob but I haven't read them on this yet.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/Here's Breakthrough news + The Socialist Program talking about it, reposted on PSL's news site
https://www.liberationnews.org/ukraine-war-whos-to-blame-and-whats-the-solution-a-socialist-view/ >>550611>Nowadays they would have to compete with China.If China were a manufacturing peer, they'd be making their own airliners and internationally sold cars. China relies on the US for tech and processes because it cannot do it on it's own.
>The historical position US now finds itself in is that of Europe in the 1950s, except with the privilege of finance capital allowing them to reap profit from industrial production they no longer possess.You're really delusional if you think the US will give up it's hegemony because it's hard to bring back factories to the US. It will be done, it was done in the Cold War, it will be done again.
>>550575>>550587 (me)
Ah, this sounds more likely.
>>550552
>No they aren't. You can change opinion with polls themselves. There's even a name for them, they're called push polls.Jesus, why I waste time arguing with a psued:
(picrel, book: Statistical Analysis for Education and Psychology Researchers Tools for researchers in education and psychology by Ian Peers, Chapter 1 Statistics and Research Design, page 6)
>dr the rest, IFAG The right is going to use this as an excuse to target leftists globally.
The left will now be associated with supporting the Russian bombing of innocent cute white children in major capitols unless they openly and publicly denounce Russian and the communist flag they are openly flying, as well as AntiFa, any militant leftist organizations (think john Brown gun Club).
The right will align successfully with an AZOV position and go full mask off, and utilize the lefts support of the war to drag them over towards the grill pill center for discussion.
>>550585Does Agent Kochinski really command that large of a following to turn pissing into a sea of piss meaningful in any way?
>@RT_com's account has been withheld in Belgium, Austria, Bulgaria, Sweden, Croatia, Spain, Slovenia, Cyprus, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Romania, Portugal, Poland, Denmark, Netherlands, Estonia, Malta, Luxembourg, Finland, France, Lithuania, Germany, Greece, Latvia, Hungary, Italy, Ireland in response to a legal demand.
>>550613>It does, exports only amount to 20% of chinese GDPIt's been trying and failing to create a domestic market forever. I know because every business magazine will not shut up about it.
>They already do,most of the third world drives chinese cars, chinese trucks, etcLol no, Chinese cars are not sold internationally except in 3rd world markets where they still struggle against Japanese imports.
>They already do.They don't, if they did there'd be Chinese branded cars and computers in stores, not US branded ones.
>>550635>noooooo history will go back in its box and i will go back to hamburger and onlyfans!!lol
cope
>>550624> The left will now be associated with supporting the Russian bombing of innocent cute white children in major capitolsno, only morons from here and r/GenZedong
communist parties are siding with Ukrainian people, anarchists are siding with Ukrainian people
http://solidnet.org/article/Urgent-Joint-Statement-of-Communist-and-Workers-Parties-No-to-the-imperialist-war-in-Ukraine/ >>550604HAAH WAAW
Seriously, can't they see how absurd this is? Sanctions are horrible because they're a form of collective punishment. Now they're going and sanctioning people
outside of their own country, and even bafflingly, erasing their existence.
>>550623Push polls along with a whole suite of techniques that are shown to manipulate public sentiment scientifically proven to be effective.
You have to be really disciplined to get something approaching an objective poll. I didn't even question the validity of Putin's polls, just asked who did the poll and what their reputation was and you sperged out. Really speaks volumes about the poll really.
What you posted doesn't debunk anything about push polls.
>>550646Also I have an word file documenting examples of fascism I saw in 2014
Fascists in important Ukrainian goverment positions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ihor_Tenyukhhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andriy_Parubiyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleksandr_Sychhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andriy_Mokhnykhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ihor_Shvaikahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleh_MakhnitskyiBandera holds Hero of Ukraine status:
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/parubiy-asks-european-parliament-to-reconsider-its-60550.htmlImpressively high double digit results for Svoboda in Galicia:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Svoboda-2012.pngRadical actions in the west during Maidan, including gun seizures from armories:
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/party-of-regions-communist-party-banned-in-ivano-frankivsk-and-ternopil-regions-335655.htmlhttp://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/20/world/europe/ukraine.html?_r=2
>Protesters, he said, had also stormed the offices of the regional governor, a Yanukovych appointee, resuming an occupation that had ended just three days earlier, and raided the local headquarters of the state prosecutor, the state security service and several district police stations. Around 140 guns were seized from a police armory.>Beyond Lviv, antigovernment activists besieged or seized police stations and administrative buildings in Uzhgorod, Lutsk, Khmelnitsky and Poltava.Posturing towards separatism in the west during maidan:
http://ukrainianpolicy.com/did-lviv-just-declare-independence/So, there's at least one article on Right Sector violence:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-two-dead-in-kharkiv-shootout-ahead-of-crimea-referendum-9194291.htmlThe attack on the communist party HQ in Kiev (btw the party is going to be banned, at least so Turchinov says):
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/ukrainian-communist-party-leader-suspects-right-sector-freedom-activists-of-setting-fire-to-communist-party-office-looting-342946.htmlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FW4xirM48 the nationalist attack on the KPU's leader in the Rada
Political alliance between Svoboda, Tymoshenko's party, and UDAR:
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/politics/batkivschyna-udar-svoboda-to-coordinate-their-actions-at-presidential-election-324495.htmlWho voted for the repeal of the 2012 language law back in February? Notice the Party of Regions absences, and the aligning of Svoboda and the 'moderate' parties.
http://w1.c1.rada.gov.ua/pls/radan_gs09/ns_golos?g_id=3894Right Sector to have patrolled Kiev's streets to prevent looting:
http://www.friatider.se/swede-patrols-ukraines-streets-with-right-wing-paramilitaries'Maidan Self-Defense units' and other nationalist militia being sent east, as announced by the Svoboda co-founder Andriy Parubiy himself:
http://uacrisis.org/maidan-self-defense/Fascists flags, bandera portrait, confederate flag & celtic cross in the Kiev city council:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-dHVZTtTxQ#t=12http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73421000/jpg/_73421594_council.jpghttp://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26468720http://img.ntv.ru/home/news/20140114/___.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1463592_466421783478899_2134410469_n.jpgList of nazi attacks
https://oruin.livejournal.com/15965.html >>550641I mean the UK Is already calling UK union members who are striking in the british railway Saboteurs but I Feel like it might actually backfire. If their own countries are so shit, might as well stab them in the back.
>>550642Why would you fags want nato around?
>>550645I do, having a bunch of infrastructure like rail doesn't mean you can build jets and a car on par with Toyotas.
Every product in the first world is from a Anglo corp, and really just the labor comes from China. You tankies think you pulled the wool over the eyes of the Western bourgeois by *checks notes* fantastically letting them exploit both their workers and environment for 40 years. You didn't fool anyone, and now you'll pay the price with Sino-Soviet split 2, electric boogaloo.
>>550668OHG NO NO NO NO NO NO HOW WILL I OWN THE TANKIES WITH THIS
Fucking admit it, half you Agent Kochinski uyghurs only want to be smug to internet tankies. Well I will be fucking smug back to you once Nato bends it's knee.
>>550668China, Cuba and Vietnam didn't even vote against the anti-invasion resolution
> Nazis in Ukrainekeep repeating the RT.com narrative, you're about for a rude awakening about the desire of Ukrainian proles to be finally free from Russian imperialism after all the centuries
>>550679They aren't sanctioning Russian gas yet, and in the meantime you can bet the EU will be looking for alternatives as quickly as possible.
>>550668Out of those countries only the DPRK voted against condemnation of Russia. I
>>550639You're going to be waiting a long time.
>>550640Uh…history isn't on Putin's side homeboy. Have you ever heard of Vietnam, Afghanistan, Return of Afghanistan, The Iraq trilogy?
>>550684> You know that we are on leftypol, right?yeah
> you think I'm a Russian nationalist or some shit, don't you, retard?high probability of this, I'm Russian and I'm in shock from the numbers of the Russian govt's simps here
>>550686>Out of those countries only the DPRK voted against condemnation of Russia. IDude, it's UN. Serbia explained away why they didn't openly voted against - due to the threat of enraged West sanctioning them. While explaining, the guy put forward Serbia's red lines on the issue - no sanctions for Russia's banking sector and such.
In other words, vote on words passed in West's favor because it was WORDS.
>>550666Ukraine isn't even a NATO member. They've been trying to join for years
and I can't say I blame them now.
>>550665>>550669The entire argument is over who is to blame and thus whether we should side with the West and Ukraine in the name of a liberal lesser evil
If it's the fault of Western imperialism and Ukrainian nationalism, then we can't. This position is strawmanned as saying putin is rationally reacting (true) which justifies invasion (untrue)
>>550697I was more thinking about Europe than America on that statement. It seems as if Yankistan is already barely involved in anything anymore
>>550696How do you feel that your brothers in the global south think that you're an idiot for supporting the people who have been raping their lands for years? You fucking Agent Kochinskiit uyghur.
>>550695this
>>550592Russia said they were going to de-nazify the country (who consider Russians ethnically inferior because they bred with Mongols blah blah)
These neonazis have collaborated with American imperialism and brought Russia dn Ukraine into war (two brother nations…in fact I don't even really think Ukraine is a separate nation to Russia)
My guess is they're going to made an absolute example of so theyre probably going to end up in a basement whilst a Chechen takes pieces off them with a meat cleaver
>>550692They will catch blue and yellow bullets from their peers for supporting the destruction of white families and white cities by the 'mongrel" Asiatic hordes.
These battle lines have already been drawn up, just a matter of time before the shooting begins.
>>550603And read why Apple took their manufacturing to China
They said nmthey had a serious problem with a piece of the phone and needed to make an adjustment. In the same day the factory managing Apple products took it down the road to another factory the size of a small city and re-tooled the widget they needed and were mass producing it by end of day
US cant do anything close to that
>>550702Yes I agree. I said similar in 2015 too. Imo the socialist position is
1. Peace settlement and autonomy for Donbas and Galicia, one neutral and federalized Ukraine
2. Unity of Ukrainians and Russian proles against the imperialism that exploits their historical divisions. No more small nation enmity and great nation chauvinism
3. Korenization of one socialist Ukraine, the east becomes Ukrainian and the west repudiates nationalism
>>550718>Those parties denounce a country boxed into a corner as an aggressor.No they don't. In fact the only time the statement mentions aggression is in relation to NATO.
>I bet you also fucked up enough to think that DPRK's war against USA's puppet regime wasn't justified.You'd be wrong then.
>>550717>US cant do anything close to thatYES, THEY, CAN.
It's China that can't build a ton of stuff that the US can. The only reason why the US builds things in China is lax environmental regulation and labor protections. That's it. And the US has far and away greater construction capacity than China. It would not take long at all to build "city sized factories" here in the US.
>>550731No, it's you that thinks that building factories is beyond the largest economy on earth.
>>550732Regardless, labor costs more in the 1st world than it does in China.
>>550700>How do you feel that your brothers in the global south think that you're an idiot for supporting the peopleOh, the Ukrainians did that?
The Ukrainians were more scared of Russia than they were NATO. That doesn't make NATO good, but
given what Russia is doing right now it at least makes Ukraine's position understandable. They aren't in a position to hold NATO morally accountable when Russia is an eminent threat. From where I'm sitting Russia and NATO are both bad, but if I was a Ukrainian I would probably feel differently.
>>550603>If China could build world competitive commodities without the US they would be doing it already.Huawei Phones are technologically competitive with Samsung and Apple phones. Massive quantities of low quality crap is manufactured in China but that's not all they do, they also do very high end stuff as well.
>>550717>And read why Apple took their manufacturing to China>They said nmthey had a serious problem with a piece of the phone and needed to make an adjustment. In the same day the factory managing Apple products took it down the road to another factory the size of a small city and re-tooled the widget they needed and were mass producing it by end of day >US cant do anything close to thatThe US could achieve such industrial integration as well, not right away but over some time that would be possible. I think this is more a problem of attitude than ability. The US is not willing to look at China as a place that can innovate or people you can learn from. There is a burned in opinion that Chinese people are bugmen whose only successes are derived from copying American greatness and that's that. It's the people that make knockoffs and nothing else.
>>549874Blue: Countries supporting Ukraine
Yellow: not offiicially supporting either side but has condemned the invasion somewhat
Orange: supporting Russia
Russiabros, it seems most of the world is against you. Why is this?
>>550754>Most of the world sides against RussiaIn this map the majority of the world population is in areas that are red yellow or grey, so even your own map contradicts your statement.
Your map is also wrong, because people in countries like Brazil and India side more with Russia.
Most people in the blue countries are being misinformed by a propaganda blitz, people don't support arming Ukrainian neonazis and they don't supports attempts of aggressive military encirclement. No body is expressing consent for the things that the US is actually doing, and they are expressing opposition to a fictional version of Russia that only exists in this insane propaganda parallel universe.
The question you have to ask your self is how far can you go with separating the narrative from material reality, until this shit backfires against you.
The US is already talking about sanctioning India for not towing the line hard enough. If you look at the rate, the US is kicking countries out of the global financial system that they control, how long will it take until it's not a global system anymore because the US is the only one left that's in it.
>>550758>And kekraine will be free and independent if they win this war, are they?Russia is most likely going to win. They will probably absorb the Russian speaking regions into the Russian Federation and make a neutral Ukraine out of the rest of the Country. That new country will be more independent and free than before, but they will still be a small country stuck in between big blocks, and they will get locked into geopolitical non-alignment politics.
>>550759kek, here comes the back paddling
your first post : who against Russia
your second post : who for Russia
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