No.554798
Firdsent
No.554799
1rd
No.554800
>>554797The thread subjects get shittier and shitter. kill yourself and rude sage
No.554801
Am I falling for western propaganda or is shit not looking good for russia? Feels like balls deep invasion was a misstep tbqhwyfam. Russia is sanctioned to hell and even china is telling them to quit their shit. Thoughts bros?
No.554803
>>554800I will continue to make it Ukraine thread 3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 and there's nothing you can make of it.
No.554807
Why isn't the free market fixing this?
No.554808
RT banned across all of EU. I can still watch it live on rt.com over Tor.
No.554809
>>554808It opens just fine for me.
No.554810
>>554803what a surprise, OP sucks cocks
No.554812
>>803296
She's 13 Voosh.
No.554814
>>554811Yeah, me. Just want this shit to be over man.
No.554816
>>554812I'm more convinced than ever that there's a stark difference between Evangelion fans and people who actually like Evangelion
No.554819
>>554805hey I recognize him it's the looser who was defeated at Galipolli! Remember the Dardanelles!
No.554820
>>554807Because capitalism has crushed it.
No.554821
>>802702
>ethnonationalist puppet
This is a lie. Donbas is not ethnonationalist and it seeks autonomy or separation on the basis it is oppressed for its nationality. Ukrainian nationalism alienates these people as non-Ukrainian for their ethnicity and history, considering them a disloyal leftover of Russian taint.
Donbas is part of Ukraine because the Bolsheviks combined two revolutions, one Ukrainian and one Russian, and the nationalist desire to divorce them reproduces these people as non-Ukrainian by destroying their ties to the country.
No.554822
Lick my weewee.
No.554823
>>554811Of course we care. But ordinary Ukrainian refugees will be exploited in gray economy, this burst of solidarity across Europe is two-faced.
No.554824
Any news from Mariupol?
No.554825
>>554814We're sending you to Siberia
No.554826
Well, we may have bombed Kharkov with weapons that are technically illegal, but hunting saboteurs is sus, so YOU are the real war criminal.
No.554827
>>554801porky is sweating BULLETS
No.554829
>>554811That's what Kadyrov and Russian state TV are doing now. There are no more talks about "nationalist minority with Nazi president Zelenskyy", they now tell how most of Ukraine was brainwashed by Nazis
No.554830
>>554826I mean, one is killing civilians collaterally and the other is killing your own civilians.
Dunno man.
No.554832
>UKRAINE THREAD 3.1.1.1
OP, Next do one with OVER 9000!!!!!11!!1one!11!!
No.554833
>>554828Because Zelensky is Captain America and Ukraine is basically Hogwarts and Putler is Voldemort
No.554835
>>554811Since the begin of the fighting, some Ukrainian civilians acted retarded, but most were chill and didn't even mind the Russian troops. But in the Ukrainian forces, neo-nazi assholes became more and more prominent since the fighting started. Ukrainian propaganda shamelessly promoted the Azov Batallion as glorious freedom fighters. Azov Batallion controls Mariupol.
No.554836
>>554826phosphorous bombs are illegal by the U.N. charter, yet, most western countries didn't sign the charter, so cope, phagget.
No.554837
>>554801>Stories about how a schizo jingoist Russian general with unironic delusions of restoring the Czarist borders is now saying Russia is on the brink of collapseFace it, its ogre. If the noose comes from a humiliating military defeat or from starving Russians for whom you just recreated Perestroika, you are fucked.
No.554840
>>554811Ukraine objectively used ethnic Ukrainian identity to overcome linguistic and regional divisions, alienating the most Russian parts as non-Ukrainian and not part of the nation's history.
No.554842
>>554811that's too sad to meme about in an epic manner
No.554844
>>554811Most ukrainians are just indiffrent to the invasion. Zelensky won on an pro-russian plattform, only Kiev and Lviv urbanites insist on cucking to the west.
No.554845
>>554811Not only will we brainwash ourselfs that each Nazi hohol deserves death, we will also cheer on Kadyrovs deathsquads killing them all!
No.554846
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1498335037921669125Left-liberal convergence. It's not just happening, it's necessary to survive!
No.554847
>>554828This sounds mightily like manufactured propaganda. I'm very sure that the majority of Marines going into Afghanistan and Iraq I'm 2001-2003 respectively, weren't going in thinking "the locals will welcome us with open arms", what they were thinking is "I'm going to take out as much of these 'camel jockeys' as I can". Any idiot naive enough to believe in propaganda of "liberation" are not soldiers and are most likely middle class nationalist civilians who join the military for "honor" or some dumb ass shit like that.
No.554850
>>803354
Ukrainian or Russian? Don't see a Z. Does the Ukranian army have T-90s?
No.554851
>>803354
>Haha, stupid Frogmen and Germans invading Russia in winter!
>*Invades Ukraine in late winter that is basically spring due to climate fuckery*
No.554853
>>803354
This is good news for whichever side control the air. Which is Ukraine, I've been assured.
No.554854
reminder that you do not have a side, you do not stand with anyone, and your opinions do not matter.
No.554855
>>554808We are The Free World. We are not Autocratic like Vladolf Putler, therefore we must ban news channels and music conductors and chess players who hold disapproved political opinions about unfolding news events.
No.554857
>>803354
so how many of these videos, are the russians back in like one hour
No.554859
>>554854It's time to stop being left and start being liberal. What is the difference? Well, you hold exactly the same positions on everything, but liberals get to be in charge.
No.554860
i want liberals to suffer so fucking bad bros
No.554861
>>554858Petitoon to make this a leftypol banner
No.554862
>>554859>liberals>anti-capitalismlmao
No.554863
>>554858good work, posting on twitter
No.554864
mujahediiiiiiiiiiiin
No.554865
>>554859if you do nothing, you are nothing. reading left-wing books and websites no more makes you "left wing" than playing on furaffinity makes you a dog.
No.554868
Why do we archive these threads?
I would say that they are less useful, more spammy and shitposty than the average leftypol thread even and almost certain this isn't a controversial take.
If people are interested in actually keeping the small amounts of useful new information in these threads it might be better off to write a TL;DR of each thread after they hit cap.
No.554869
>>554862I'm an anti-capitalist, but capitalism is everywhere, and every country in the world is just a form of capitalism. The USSR was probably the most capitalist country in the world at the time, if you think about it, and the US, during the Cold War, the more socialist side. Reminder that Cuba, China, Venezuela, Iran and Russia are all capitalist, imperialist countries.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) No.554870
>>554860Literally poltard mindset. Suport based Israel nuking Gaza because it makes the commies seethe.
No.554873
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTyzDxwOOqYnovara media live, lets tank this shit up please
No.554874
>>554814This is the only pro Hohol civillian standpoint. year long slugfest will have no winners. Kiev, Nato and the west naturally want to turn this into a trap for Russia and Russia wants to keep it short, but I don't think Russia of pussying out now so either Russia wins this relatively quickly or it turns into a slugfest with more civilian deaths and practically a Nato win.
No.554875
>>554873t-14s in the chat
No.554876
>>554848This guy works for Sputnik
Russia state media
No.554878
>>554868it might be funny to look back on in a year
No.554879
>>554869>The USSR was probably the most capitalist country in the world at the time, if you think about it,LMAO
>and the US, during the Cold War, the more socialist side. Reminder that Cuba, China, Venezuela, Iran and Russia are all capitalist, imperialist countries.VERY GOOD BAIT
No.554881
>>554871No. Russian military is a massive meme. It can still win in Ukraine, but its absolutely undersupplied, undertrained and outdated. Its just that hyperonline retards (as well as the liberal fearmongering) inflated their perceived might.
No.554882
>>554868So they don't clutter the catalog. That's about it.
No.554883
>>554874>I'm an anti-capitalist, but capitalism is everywhere, and every country in the world is just a form of capitalism.Correct, which is why supporting anybody except ordinary ukrainians is fucking dumb.
No.554884
>>803384
>Russian/Bealrus motorized forces abandoning their tanks
video just shows random soldier marching
No.554886
>>554870>Suport based Israel nuking Gaza because it makes the commies seethe.People here are already screeching about "human shields" used by evil terrorists and support based
IDF Russian Military in it's glorious operation.
No.554887
>>803389
Exactly. This is why I have decided to cease being leftist and be a liberal, or sometimes cease being liberal and be a leftist. I am able to do both without changing a single idea in my head. I want socialized medicine, a social safety net, independent unions and the destruction of Authoritarian regimes even if that means war.
No.554888
>>554871vid has nothing to do with this conflict btw
No.554889
>>554859They are social democrats so you aren’t really insulting them which kind of makes you look even more pathetic.
No.554890
>>803384
>>803384
>gather most of your army on the border for weeks
>wait so long that everyone thinks you're merely pretending
>invade anyways and get stuck in mud
big huge brains
No.554891
>>554881It warms my heart thinking about the massive cope and seethe when Ukraine, after all the money spent on weapons and propaganda in the West, still unconditionally surrenders, and with the treaty being even more unfriendly to NATO than ever
No.554892
>>554869Fucking glowing as fuck.
No.554893
>>803384
Those do not look like motorized forces though, equipment wise. Also, how can you tell where they are going?
No.554894
>>554870I'm becoming increasingly convinced that imageboards just attract morally erratic weirdos
>inb4 marx laughed at moralitycouldn't care less
No.554895
>>554889I'm not insulting them. I am just acknowledging that, with this war, the left-liberal convergence is complete.
No.554896
>>554887ukkkraine has an authoritarian regime so you're in luck
No.554897
>>554887Unironically based (except for the last part)
No.554899
>>554894>morally erratic what
No.554901
>>554887Honestly I'm slowly edging towards becoming a postie. Fuck everything
No.554903
>>554902hes snaking for victory points
No.554905
>>554881Basically this. Even though liberal media propagandizes much, there is a modicum of truth in their lies and oversimplification. Russia is have trouble but it’s not nearly as bad or as defeating as the liberals make it out to be.
No.554906
>>554902It's like my HOI4 runs on release, wow!
No.554907
https://twitter.com/ckoettl/status/1498353408855715840The existence of this column stretching 17 miles from Kyiv seems to confirm Russia's earlier claims of air superiority over Ukraine.
Question for the doctrine weebs though, are logistic convoys usually this densely packed?
No.554908
>>554900I think they would have if they had found a proper pun for it
Vladseph Putlin just doesn't have the same ring to it
No.554909
Why is there a concerted effort to deny the nationalism of Kiev is incompatible with Crimea and Donbas?
No.554910
>>554887Good. Let's start with the destruction of Western regimes.
No.554911
>>554907no, they wouldnt be going 4 in a row + without spacing, this is some DEEP BATTLE (TM) major deployment
No.554913
>>554907>Question for the doctrine weebs though, are logistic convoys usually this densely packed?Yes when they do vehicle refueling
No.554914
Zelensky should die for Ukraine or get imprisoned. He will have a legacy for history as a martyr
If he loses and just submits on some "peace deal" he will just be some random comedian who was president for 3 years in a European country
No.554915
>>554900Honestly to some extent the comparison works. Might be fake sources, but more and more I am starting to believe that this war was Putin going loose from his oligarch tardwranglers. And just like Hitler he went for a retarded gamble, but unlike Hitler who got a solid 4-5 win gamble streak before Barbarosa, Putin lost on round 1.
No.554916
>>554907Well Ukraine ran out of drones. So they can just drive in a big like without having to fear an attack.
No.554917
>>554909Because we drew those borders in the 90s and then declared the end of history so they're not allowed to change anymore.
No.554919
>>554887you're just an idiot with no theory
No.554920
>>803384
Russia shows some huge disregard towards their vehicles. It seems like it is a strategy, and it seems like there's pretty few corpses as a result.
West wants Rambos, because they've read too much comic books, but in reality war is waged differently. Russia does very good and devastating artillery/missile strikes, while tanks and infantry seem to be on a clean-up/occupation duties. And it fucking works, with losses around 200-300 people to Ukraine's thousands.
My guess is, tank costs are lower than the training costs of tank drivers, for example. Not even talking about stuff like "lives matter bruh". Moreso, tank engines have a very short lifespan anyway.
No.554921
>>554912Kiddie Diddler of Kyiv
No.554924
>>554895That’s a binary brain thinking based not on fact but feelings. Becoming an obfuscating /pol/tard isn’t communist in the least, rather it’s acting much more like breadtube and pol culture war crap than proper communist analysis.
No.554926
>>554914What are some /his/ cases of guys like Zelensky? I'd imagine at least a few literally who's managed to enter the center of global political atention.
No.554927
>>554922Coomer of Kyiv
Already coomed to 800 Russian thots
No.554929
>>554902I call it the peepee maneuver.
No.554930
>>554920And you have to also consider that their vehicles don't seem modern. They look somewhat old. There must be a reason why they aren't still using their more advanced equipment yet.
No.554931
>>554922fuck i was already asking a question
>>554928 No.554932
>>803449
>They sure as shit are not out on a patrol or setting up an LP/OP
They could be doing shit behind their own lines.
No.554933
>>554922gonna whack it to a russian bird tonight in solidarity
No.554935
>>554934HES LITERALLY SNAKING FOR VICTORY POINTS
No.554936
>>554922>mia khalifa stands with ukraine>8 months ago was suggesting we should deport all the jews to delawarewhat is her ideology?
No.554937
>>554922>>554928I hope Russia blocks and bans OnlyFans
No.554938
>>554934*generic HOI joke*
No.554939
>>554934>>554935when you have air superiority and the enemy is pinned, logistical lines can move far more freely
No.554940
>>554887sounds like you were a liberal all along fren
No.554941
>>554934maybe if you win air superiority (a term i've never heard until three days ago) you can just go straight to each city?
No.554942
DAE HOI4 LOLOLOL
No.554945
>>554936celeb grifting and opportunism?
No.554946
>>554935okay but what if his divisions get encircled and cut off from supply lines?
No.554947
>>554928They will be brought to our progressive Europe as sex slaves, which has been going on since the fall of soviet union. This is the "catching up" transition to capitalism that the West forced upon them.
No.554948
Why don’t people understand that city encirclement sometimes could take weeks or months, sometimes years even to be completed? It all depends on the size of the city and how long it’s able to hold out resource wise. Has no one here even studied Mao?
No.554951
>>554923That was interesting, I wonder how much is planned and how much is just organic redditors being redditors
No.554952
>>554948You think these virgins would at least realize that from Paradox games
No.554953
>>554948>inb4 Kyiv does a Leningrad and hold on for 3yearslol like that's possible
No.554961
>>554956That's because it is. Check out
>>554949 my post. Not even half of the zoomers in the US give a shit either. From presonal experience it seems like the US right is pro-Ukraine more than anything. Just check how pro-ukraine stupidpol and redscare and /pol/ turned into.
No.554962
>>554956>Is this a money war in disguise?It has always been that Anon.
>Why does all the Ukraine support from America feel so manufactured.Because it is, they literally have people who make stuff like that in a day who get paid well.
>It feels like the US has been hoping an invasion would happen so quite some time.The U.S had been making anti-Russian propaganda on the internet for over 2 decades now, it's nothing new.
No.554963
>>554943Predictive programming.
No.554967
>>554956well they've been trying to manufacture a war between ukraine-russia for 8 years (though with a 4 year hiccup in the middle where they had to deal with a retard), so they certainly had time to prepare the narratives and a media strategy for it.
No.554968
>>554964CHECK OUT MY FUCKING POST TO SEE HOW IT IS NOT THAT GOOD
No.554969
How is nationalist rule over Crimea and Donbas a 'democratic' issue?
No.554970
>>554949In my country MSM propaganda is getting hysterical of course. Yet on the websites of these media the comments are split between 50-50. The other half is not necessarily pro-Russian, just criticizing NATO, EU, etc. This is not representative of the general public opinion, but still, at least not everyone is going totally insane.
No.554972
>>554961>Not even half of the zoomers in the US give a shit eitherare u sure? most western tiktok zoomers are using the ukro flag, specially burgers
No.554974
>>803512
keeno in keev
No.554975
>>554970I want to read these please. Linkies?
No.554976
US officials in the media are hammering over and over again "internal political opposition, resistance after occupation," I've heard somebody say that every day. Ukrainian Taliban is coming
No.554977
>>554960It's all a fucking performance to feel good about themselves in a situation where they can realistically do nothing but whine. A Reddit awards and upvotes momentarily push away the existential dread produced by their lack of agency in their life and in the world that is quickly disintegrating in front of their eyes.
No.554978
>>554969They are good Russian nationalists, not these evil Ukrainian nationalists allowing g*ys to organize their vile pride rallies.
No.554979
>>554970here in the shithole, 3rd world
we don't even know where ukraine is, and the media only translate the american newspapers, so there is no contrary position.
Although I saw the case, that with the new of the tank that crushed a car, they mentioned that there was another version circulating saying that the tank was Ukrainian
No.554982
>>554980Thanks Mr. Democrat
No.554983
>>554972they are loud and will downboat you for being contrary to their beliefs as well as the fact that there is massive amounts of astroturfing going on. Peer pressure also exists.
No.554984
>>554953What I believe the idea is that if Kiev holds out for long enough that the Russian forces will exhaust itself and be at a stalemate where they won’t be able to enter the city with the forces and supplies they have. Of course this depends on the reinforcements the city has which as of right now it’s just flooding the entire country with high grade weaponry and apparently ‘merc volunteers’. But even that I don’t think is enough to exhaust Russian forces into a stalemate, this would require much larger forces preparing to move on Russia to reinforce the city but Ukraine is alone and NATO troops are only stationed on the western border and that’s it, they will never cross into the country to engage whatsoever.
No.554985
>>554976Russia stated from the beginning of the operation it's objective was no occupation.
No.554986
>>554980It's based on the Russian naval flag not the Confederate one lmao
No.554987
>>554980this post seems like mal- mis- or dis-information. it should probably be censored from the internet by the authorities.
No.554988
>Poland has announced that no visa will be required for Indian nationals crossing into the Poland from Ukraine. 🇮🇳 🇵🇱
>Thank you so much @PolandMFA, @Adam_Burakowski for your generous support & help to Indians during Russia-Ukraine war.Poland bros i don't know about this idea…
https://twitter.com/AskAnshul/status/1498385680614920193?s=20&t=gBgMiayzZlGJ3M9whTvDgw No.554989
>>554797Where can I get the Chinese and Indian military watchers' perspectives on this conflict?
No.554991
Seems Zelensky is demanding immediate entrance of Ukraine to the EU
To the extent that I could be said to be supporting Putin one could say I support Zelensky they're both playing the best they can in this situation with the hands the odious literal Nazis controlling Ukraine and the disgusting bourgeois dictatorships of the imperialist west have dealt them
No.554993
>>554988good morning sirs
No.554994
>>554985Who cares? Russia may not occupy, may have to police it, may have to keep troops there, it's all dependendent on the events that follow. There's no point in talking about Russia's particular objectives, but general goal is to make Ukraine friendly to Russia.
No.554996
>>554995*ambassador to the UN
No.554997
>>554991It's a ballsy call but he'll never get another chance like this, "if you want us to die to bleed Russia, let us in as full members, no more one-sided trade agreements that only help EU businesses"
No.554998
>>554992If I take Kiev, will you die?
It would be extremely painful.
You're a Z guy.
For you.
No.554999
>>554992lmao, is this real o pol bait?
>>803544lgbt for macron
No.555002
>>554981This is precisely why I don't trust a single goddamn number coming out about Russian or Ukrainian losses. There's so much disinfo I don't think we'll ever get the full story regardless of who wins.
No.555003
>>554994>to make Ukraine friendly to Russia.I doubt that this is how you make people friendly to you…
No.555004
>>554971>urban based>rural cringewas mao wrong????
No.555006
>>554992Dr Pavel, I'm Azov
No.555007
>>554811I care about the ukrainians that are in shelters waiting for this to end.
To the ukrainians that follow Zelensky orders of attacking MBT's with molotovs, I hope they get the bullet.
No.555009
>>554995Now that would be a Vladolf Putler moment I'd like
No.555012
>>554995everyone's a shitposter
No.555014
Here to officially apologize with anons.
At the beginning of all this I did not realize how big the threat facing us it was.
This is getting more and more big than just Ukraine everyday: there are people PUBLICLY stating that Russia shall be broken down and brought back to Yeltsin era, and the aggression by EU and NATO grows by the hour.
While nuance is important in a sense (ESPECIALLY for comrades in Russia), now its not the time for it from us.
It's ALL HANDS ON DECK: If Russia loses, History is over for 30 other years; If Russia wins, everything restarts.
It's THAT important.
No.555015
>>554995He's going to get so much reddit karma, still russia will take over his country but, at least he got dat karma and awards
No.555016
>>554995 (Cheka'd)
Putin respsonds with a "no u"
>>554992now is not the time for sabotage
No.555017
>>555013>via @[generic name + random numbers]certified glow moment
No.555018
>>555012Yeah, in general all these public figures became shitposters in real life once they started using Twitter.
No.555019
>>554976Zelensky won a landslide on a pro-russian plattform and most ukrainians are just indiffrent to the invasion, as you can see in every video of russian soldiers interacting with locals and livestreams of street life. So unless you believe that the city-dwellers in Lviv and Kiev are gorilla fighters, there will be no insurgency.
No.555020
>>554981>ОбоснованныйСмерть yкраине, cмерть нацистам.!
>>554981>who would thought that the people that faked video simulations would fake z across Russian-USSR era equipment. No.555021
>>555014>This is getting more and more big than just Ukraine everyday: there are people PUBLICLY stating that Russia shall be broken down and brought back to Yeltsin era, and the aggression by EU and NATO grows by the hour.Someone post that vid of those Azov guys talking about how NATO was arming them so they could do exactly that to Russia.
No.555022
>>555001never thought i'd look at this video in a different way other than a funny what if, but here we are.
No.555023
>>555020>Смерть yкраине, cмерть нацистам.!Ты слишком суицидальный
No.555024
>>555013I hope Twitter becomes a nuclear target.
No.555025
>>554988Is Poland finally less racist?
No.555026
>>803556
all of this will harm Europe's economy, causing the continent to eventually collapse
No.555027
>>555021>>555014https://twitter.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1498392515262746630?s=20&t=JORZK5NfQnlIyBE1fFLL2gIt took them 5 days to get Starlink for Ukraine. Germany was hesitant to agree on sanctions, now it increased military spending and EU is sending jets to Ukraine. I don't like it, bros. I think there might be something big brewing.
No.555028
>>555019what happened to him
No.555029
>>554992Russkiebros we got too cocky….
>>554999>lmao, is this real o pol bait? Do you think we live in Hollywood that we can hijack planes mid air, sir?
No.555030
>>555026Good. We deserve it. For doing what we did to the peoples of the world. And for failing to implement the communist revolution in the 20th century.
No.555031
>>554988Good. With this they will finally own the Russians.
No.555032
>>554956Atlantic council have been mobilizing for this for years
No.555035
>>555034Zelensky, I'm KGB.
No.555036
>>554986Sorry sweety, im not buying it. Just look at russia's human rights record.
>gassed people in syria under bashar al-assad>genocided black africans in libya under qaddafi, who outright stated that libya didnt want to allow migrants into europe>supports xi jingping, who banned winnie the pooh and is currently genociding wigger muslims in east turkestan>supports evo morales, who killed the first female president of bolivia to keep his native supremacist communist party in power>supports cuba and north korea who are both rogue states which threaten nuclear war constantly>supports donald drumpf, a white supremacist who incited the january 6th coup against the democratically elected government of joe bidenKnowing this, is it SO HARD to believe that russia would back literal neoconfederates like novorossiya and russell bentley, a white supremacist communist from texas? Their end goal is pretty clear: they want to force ukrainians to pick cotton in russian gulags. FUCK OFF, RUSSIAN WAR SHILL!
No.555037
>>555030white guilt moment
No.555039
>>555030Nah, all you have to do is protest against NATO/America.
No.555040
>NEW: Norway says it plans to send 2,000 M72 anti-tank weapons to Ukraine, joining Finland and Sweden in sending lethal weapons-politico
https://twitter.com/paulmcleary/status/1498366394517360646?s=20&t=jJpO5fMSH0XrBqeVOPI5Kw No.555041
>>555033Yes we, even we in ex-yu for example, deserve it. We have been living of the plundering of the peoples of the world. That is why we were able ti industrialize and to establish a non-hellish society for a couple of deacades.
No.555042
>>555027Do you really think that Germany can afford to have a high military spending for years after year? What about the rest of NATO? Most of Europe is bankrupt and can barley fund their social services, and they want to double their military budget. What a joke.
No.555044
>>555039I did. My fellow fountrymen voted 70 % in favor of joining nato in 2004
No.555045
>>555040what are the chances that these weapons get stole by crime syndicates?
No.555046
>>555043Bombing this city. WITH NO SURVIVORS.
No.555047
>>555021i hope they don't reach some ceasefire before the muslims get to wipe out those azov guys
No.555048
>>555030Fuck you, my country was never part of your wars, you invaded us multiple times and surplus-exploit us now within EU. Not whole of Europe deserves it.
No.555049
>>554981inb4 a video with a Comic Sans letter Z
>>554956>Why does all the Ukraine support from America feel so manufactured.Because it is. It's a cargo-cult ramp-up to war, like Porky just hit the emergency button for immediate propaganda with zero falsefieid organicity. People's reactions to it as suitably performative for the same reason. It's simulacra all the way down.
No.555051
>>555047Azov are retarded enough to defy a ceasefire, so don't worry about that part
No.555052
PUTIN BROS WTF!!! SPACE MAN NOT WITH US….
https://twitter.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1498392515262746630?s=20&t=jJpO5fMSH0XrBqeVOPI5Kw
>Starlink — here. Thanks, @elonmusk-Vice Prime Minister of Ukraine and Minister of Digital Transformation of Ukraine
No.555053
>>555048I am ex yu and being exploited by the old EU members as well.
No.555056
>>555044Well but don't be self-flagellating. As long as you don't think like those people, it's more than enough.
No.555057
>>555041Really, so you all personally voted on it? Did you get called to a meeting? A town hall?
Of fucking course you didn't, some porky scumbags did this shit in your name without ever asking, just like everyone else
No.555058
>>555051>Azov are retarded enough to defy a ceasefireI remember when Ukrainian military removed Azov from one settlement while trying to implement Minsk properly and they just assembled there week later. Top-tier retards.
No.555060
>>555053Then you have nothing to feel sad about. You were victims like the rest of the world. The only people to blame here are anglos, especially americans.
No.555061
>>555053Same. I'm afraid they will export their economic sacrifice to us.
No.555063
>>555060anglos make up like 10% of americans though
No.555065
>>555046If I took that SWIFT away from you, would you die?
No.555066
>>555004Urban generally equals black/Hispanic here. Who I think are less likely to go along with imperialist warmongering (maybe not against china but who knows)
No.555068
Is there a way to filter posters by flag?
No.555069
>>555065It would be extremely painful.
No.555071
>>555062kek, based pistoletov
No.555073
>>555063well, especially americans *(who are not predominatly anglos)
Better?
No.555074
>>555070Imperialism is when war
No.555075
>>555070arrested and then let go immediately
No.555076
>>803281
>57.57 MB
bruh
patrician taste tho, I love how they managed to emulate the old cop show feel using literally nothing but a few simple props from a costume shop and good camera work, like they didn't even use studios or anything they just shot in the middle of the street
No.555077
>>554981Found a comment on how to identify these fakes
READ WITH CARE:
Как куются "перемоги". Полезно к прочтению и ознакомлению.
>На видео наглядная демонстрация того, как с помощью нехитрых способов можно превратить свою технику 🇺🇦 в технику своего оппонента 🇷🇺. Так что, буковка "Z" на технике еще не говорит о том, что техника ВС РФ- необходимо смотреть на детали. Например, здесь есть 2 явных признака фальсификации:>- Модификация КРАЗа, применяемого в основном ВСУ.>- Номера (ГРЗ), которые имеют явный формат, применяемый для военных транспортных средств ВСУ.
>How "victories" are forged. Good to read and understand.The video is a clear demonstration of how, using simple methods, you can turn your technique 🇺🇦 into your opponent's technique 🇷🇺. So, the letter "Z" on the equipment does not yet mean that the equipment of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - you need to look at the details. For example, there are 2 clear signs of falsification here:
- Modification of KRAZ, used mainly by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
- Numbers (GRZ), which have an explicit format used for military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
No.555078
>>555069you're a big economy
No.555079
>>555070These are traitors on payroll from the CIA
No.555081
>>555069Is this the birth of our own libtard-inspired memes about Russia = Bane?
No.555082
>>555070Good.
Liberals need maximum possible amount of state terror inflicted to them.
No.555083
It's amazing how the Washington Post wants to peddle the narrative of "OMG TRUMP WAS LITERALLY AMERICAN PUTIN!"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/28/trumps-effort-rewrite-history-his-support-nato-ukraine/One thing is certain, this dystopic liberal worldview has to end, and if Putin is the one who will destroy it, he has my blessing.
No.555084
>>555064>screwing over Russophone Ukrainian hockey fans to own the Russiansor at least I'd make that argument if Ukrainians played hockey
No.555085
>>555081correct, Don't worry, no wars for them. They work for the Zelenskenaryy, the NATO-backed man.
No.555086
>>554869>cuba is doing medical imperialism sending their doctors all over the world !ban worthy take
No.555087
>>555059doctor zelenskyi I'm ex-KGB
No.555088
>>555082Why are you so bloodthirsty when Russians are expressing solidarity with their Ukrainian comrades?
No.555089
>>555070>majority are from St. Petersburg and Moscow the PMC need to be culled
No.555090
>>555083>getting to choose between liberalism and dugin-tier schizo reactionyeah no thanks
No.555091
>>555057We had a referendum.
No.555092
>>555070Libs and trots deserve it, tbh
No.555093
>>555083THISI want nothing but complete defeat of liberals in this.
Its TOO important.
We need revenge on them.
We can't lose other 30 years.
No.555094
>>555070BLM are a bunch of liberals so that had it coming in 2020.
No.555095
>As the world continues to monitor Russia’s continued aggression against Ukraine, I am directing department directors to conduct a complete review of all Miami-Dade County contracts within their purview to confirm that none are connected to Russian business interests of any sort
>In this defining moment, we must always defend democracy and the rights of people to live in peace. Our County must not, in good conscience, continue any business relationship that could directly or indirectly bankroll violence and war against Ukraine.Mayor of Miami, Dade, she's a Jewish Democrat btw
States are going to start doing this cutting all business with Russia
https://twitter.com/MayorDaniella/status/1498387529988558849?s=20&t=jJpO5fMSH0XrBqeVOPI5Kw No.555096
>>803657
I've had a couple of pics with lots confiscated NLAWs, RPGs and such. Today at least 110 Ukrops surrendered to DPR/LPR, and who knows how many to Russian troops proper.
No.555097
>>555070Trots deserve prison tbh
No.555098
>>555086Yeah, like, maybe China, Iran and Russia can be thought as somewhat imperialists, but Cuba and Venezuela? The fuck is he smoking?
No.555099
>>555080anti-war protests always good, what part of "no war but the class war" don't you understand?
No.555100
>>555070these protests only exists because it's putin doing, if the us where doing this, there would not be tears because it would not be in the news.
No.555101
>>555049>Because it is. It's a cargo-cult ramp-up to war, like Porky just hit the emergency button for immediate propaganda with zero falsefieid organicity. People's reactions to it as suitably performative for the same reason. It's simulacra all the way down.Crazy shit. Merely pointing out the insanity of the propaganda makes you a Putin lover too. Very scary. Porky evidently can manufacture consent for whatever it wants. We are nothing more than playthings.
No.555102
>>555088Because a Russian defeat means we're back to full multipolarity, Bush-tier.
It means we lose 30 other years.
We cannot accept that.
No.555103
>>555099Anti-NATO war is in interests of the workers.
No.555104
>>555093we need to blockade military factories in NATO
No.555105
>>555093>making a devil's bargain with equally delusional cultural reactionariessurely this will not backfire at all
No.555109
>>555106>>555107>Ukraine has caused MLs to go full rabid schizoAnarkiddies and trots are looking pretty good now
No.555110
Nukes by Wednesday if dubs
No.555111
>>555105Then it's over for the world, cuz there aren't any good alternatives present.
No.555112
>>555102Who are these "you" are you talking about? I just don't want Ukrainians to be denazified to pieces and Russians dying in a pointless war.
No.555113
>>555105Whats the alternative, neoliberalism forever?
No.555114
>>555105Its not a bargain.
There's no end to be upheld.
Just Us unilateral domination over the world to crush.
Also there's nothing it could backfire over: the socialist movement has close to ZERO power anywhere in the world.
We got nothing to lose from multipolarity.
No.555115
>>555095That's a secret code for: Attack any russian small businesses and people.
Liberalism already showing its true colors.
No.555116
>>555087The war plan I just filed with the Duma lists Donbas, Crimea, Transnistria here, but only one of you! The first one to talk gets to stay on my puppet government!
No.555118
>>555110>>555108You stole my dubs bastard GIVE THEM BACK!
No.555119
>>555112this war is about ending the end of history
No.555120
>>555113torch and desert the fucking system is what
No.555121
>>555099What part of "Where is the proletariat for itself?" do you not understand?
No.555123
>>555099i'm not for russia but against NATO which does much more harm to communists especially in the global south. It's that simple.
No.555124
>>555107This. I unirionically would rather have 50 years of Trump than 4 years of Bernie Sanders socdem liberal reformist crap. Someone like Sanders would destroy revolutionary potential whereas someone like Trump can accelerate the conditions to revolution.
No.555125
>>555120>torch and desert the fucking system is whatso what Russia is doing
No.555126
>>555083also based retard's glorious return in 2024
>>555043wow I didn't know zelensky has a bust of Obama
>>555042Oh my sweet and innocent anon. Budget is only a concern when it's for something which improves the lives of people. For everything else, there are a gorillion ways to raise funds. Printing money, credit lines, selling titles and sho on and sho on. Funding is literally never a problem, it's the destination of the funding which might be.
No.555127
I wonder what comes next, the west ir cornering russia financially ..
No.555129
>>555120Good luck doing it if we're back in 1991.
No.555130
>>555123THISFUCK NATO SHILLS.
No.555131
>>555070What's up with redfish? They post this but have the "Russia state-affiliated media" warning on twitter
No.555132
>>555120This is literally what Putin is doing, the current system is western liberalism, he's destroying it and I support him for that.
No.555134
>>555114>people who are just as harsh on anti-capitalist dissent if not worse will be an improvementat best, the scenario you're outlining is a zero-sum game. And that's the biggest fucking problem I have with the position MLs in this thread are taking: you are all jerking yourselves off silly over a
fucking zero sum game No.555135
>>555128Haz is right for once
No.555136
>>555126>Printing money, credit lines, selling titles and sho on and sho on. money is only an abstraction that represents a medium of exchange, if the amount of Euros in circulation baloons then their will be hyperinflation
No.555137
>>555126no one cared who i was until i put an Obama bust on the table
No.555138
>>555123Being “not for Russia” is basically being a stooge for NATO.
No.555139
>>803716
Is this your fumo?
No.555140
>>803716
Here's to a return to pre-1654 borders lmao
No.555141
You guys got to remember how much user posting has increased since war began, it is inevitable and a certainty that there is several /Pol/ users here posting trying to obscure their language To fit in
No.555142
>>555132> the current system is western liberalism, he's destroying it and I support him for that.
>replacing hyper-individualistic neoliberal capitalism with vicious reactionary state capitalism is an improvement and not a lateral moveare you fucking daft
No.555143
>>555119This war is a war of aggression and conquest, some people want peace, not epic happenings to go into history books.
No.555145
>>555134<zero sum gameImperialism nature FORCES the various blocs to FIGHT among them.
This provides OPENINGS for us, and historically has always been this way.
If we are back to 1991 we can simply forget getting power anywhere significant for other 30 years.
No.555147
>>555105We must be ready to risk the present to be able to win the future. That is what it means to be a revolutionary.
Another few decades of neoliberalism and US hegemony is not the future that anybody wants.
No.555149
>>555143Just like all the wars waged by NATO and the West in general.
No.555150
>>555083Let's be honest. If Trump makes a public statement, he's going to condem Putin.
No.555151
>>803729
post picture :D
No.555152
>>555146So you want us to cheer for nato? I get the argument about not caring but why should we dickride liberals so hard? Just tell them that Ukraine has a nazi problem, post proof and they will suddenly stop caring. They are all in it cuz of muh poor ukraine but if Ukraine is looking naughty they don't care. It's that fucking simple.
No.555153
>>555142At this point replacing neoliberalism with state capitalism would be an improvement yes, we can work from there towards socialism.
Besides Putin has 0 interests on what happens outside the former USSR republics, he wouldn't mind socialist countries as long as they don't mess with his borders.
No.555154
>>555146<China cucked and isolated<Other socialist movements weak AF and practically budding around the worldNo, they want vanish.
Simply the openings for us will.
We'll live in another round of Fukuyamaism.
No.555155
>>555142>replacing hyper-individualistic neoliberal capitalism with vicious reactionary state capitalism is an improvement and not a lateral moveYou really think Russia has the capacity to replace the global imperialist system? The only think g he is doing is creating a pathway for allowing the global south to de-link from the imperialist system and offer an alternative (China) which will allow local socio-economic development, which will destroy Western imperialism
No.555157
>>555150Trump did not do anything about Navalny thing not condemn Putin
Go look back at his comments about it
No.555158
>>555142>>replacing hyper-individualistic neoliberal capitalism with vicious reactionary state capitalism is an improvement and not a lateral moveI’m not a fascist but I prefer the latter to the former.
No.555159
>>555154*Won't not want sorry
No.555161
>>555149And so what? Ukrainian schools being denazified doesn't help to prevent NATO aggression, at this moment it only has consolidated the block.
No.555162
Being a leftist means living on a different plane as everyone, but this conflict….
I've never felt so gaslit. So strongly like I'm living in a simulation. Amazing how quickly libs chugged the propaganda.
Although, some friends have started to come around and question the narrative….. maybe there's still hope.
No.555163
>>555146If Russia wins this war against the Nato block, it will be a step forward for the international proletariat, a major step btw
No.555164
>>555152>another ML who thinks that not cheering for russia means cheering for NATOFor people who sperg out about dialectics and contradiction and nuance and whatnot you all seem very incapable of grasping that more than one global threat to the left can exist
No.555165
>>555152I want us to mobilize antiwar sentiment on both sides of the conflict in the hopes of ending it faster, through the overthrow of one or both governments if necessary
No.555166
>>554811>Does anybody […] give a shit about ordinary UkrainiansYeah: Russian soldiers and the Russian high command. See: difference b/w Russian's capturing Ukro soldiers & their treatment vs. Ukranians.
No.555167
>>555161More power to NATO = NATO has more power.
Does that make more sense to you?
No.555168
Can Putin just get this over with like damn! I get they want to save civilians and all but he's already painted as LITERALLY HITLER. people have made their side they won't get ANY credit from the "international" community for this. Time to finish it before untold billions of dollars make this a multi-month quagmire for Russia.
No.555169
>>555158>being willing to throw groups of people under the bus because you think one form of oppression might give you more leeway than otherchrist almighty
No.555170
Is western media messing with your head also?
I know most of what I read is fake and engineered to make me feel something but still… it kinda works, sometimes I feel like I need to side with NATO or that russia is losing
No.555171
>>554811>Does anybody in this thread actually give a shit about ordinary UkrainiansSometimes members of a class have to take setbacks and make sacrifices, in order for the class to advance as a whole
-Bukharin
No.555172
>>555140Our day will come. Lithuania will once again stretch sea to shining sea!
Germans: hung
Muscovites: seething in the cold
Mongols: need not apply
No.555173
>>555156A lot of those prisoners are neo-nazis that went the mile further, maybe killing some lgtb guy or something like that.
They will be used for controlling the population, can't prove me wrong.
Also you're horny.
No.555174
>>55515660 thousands or more tied in the East, with Russia encircling them all. Total air superiority of Russia makes any open movement incredibly dangerous. So, western parts of Ukraine are virtually defenseless, there's only militias raised via giving them weapons, plus whatever units got cut off by Russian airforces and got stuck in those regions. Basically, whole Ukraine army is a series of dots disconnected from each other.
No.555175
>>554934<How to easily get your troops cut off from eachother by a single ambush per snake columnThis looks mental.
Maybe Ukrop soldiers truly are surrendering en masse, which makes Russia so confident to do something
this reckless.
No.555177
>>555156I want fuck you sex sex sex
No.555178
>>555169isnt that the dialectical process of history though? From Feudalism to Capitalism you would prefer Capitalism no?
No.555179
>>555156No reliable evidence. Russia seems to advance, while Ukraine doesn't show signs of surrendering.
No.555180
>>803756
Based biological warfare
No.555181
>>555164>For people who sperg out about dialectics and contradiction and nuance and whatnot you all seem very incapable of grasping that more than one global threat to the left can existThose struggles are a thing of the past as we’ve seen in the past couple of years. All we have is this geographic struggle between West and East. If the East succeeds maybe something positive will arise but the old struggles of ideology are dead.
No.555182
>>555164Russia's soft power is considerably weaker than the US. Let's be real.
>>555165If Russia falls that would just equal 1991 again. More liberalizatoin and not even the hope of Dengism with Russian characteristics. Putin's approval rating is sky high in Russia now anyways, so what is even the point now?
No.555183
>>555168Oh this is definitely going to go on for years. Get ready for Ukrainian Taliban next door neighbors edition.
No.555184
>>555168Putin doesn't care about what libshits and cuckservatives on twitter thing, he wants to reunite Great Russia. The only people there that take the western narritive serious are the would-be-westcucks in Lviv and Kiev.
No.555185
>>555150>>555157Let's remember that Trump was adamant about attacking Iran (anyone remember Solemiani), despite not caring (apparently) about the Ukraine/Russia conflict. Every US president will always be a warmonger. Always.
No.555186
>>803756
Depending on what's packed in there, it could still be very edible.
No.555187
>>555178>cultural reaction coupled with a backslide towards an earlier stage of capitalism is an advanceeven by your own teleological logic this doesn't make any goddamn sense
No.555188
>>5551821991 for United Russia, communists are the country's strongest opposition movement
No.555190
>>555164There's only two possible outcomes, as of now:
1) Russia wins. NATO suffers defeat. Second Cold War ensues. History is back on track.
2) NATO wins. Russia is crushed and brought to knees. China, being isolated, follows suit and with it DPRK and Cuba.
We're back to 1991 or worse.
As of now,
THERE'S NO FEASIBLE THIRD OPTION Stating otherwise is behaving like thots writing "Manifesting" on Twitter.
No.555192
>>555182>Putin's approval rating is sky high in Russia now anyways, so what is even the point now?Proof for this just curious.
No.555193
>>555185I didn't say anything about trump being anti war. I speak specifically about Russia
Go look up trump reaction to Navalny ordeal. He didn't give a shit or do anything to Russia
It was not till Biden the admin made fuss over it
No.555195
You're either with Putin and multipolarity or with NATO and liberalism, there's no "le based middle ground back to status quo" because that means NATO, fucking decide already.
No.555196
>>555188>He thinks that Nato won't just flat out invade Russia if it got that weak.No fucking chance in hell those commies will get to run anything. You're being very optimistic.
No.555199
>>555187present day Globalization really has not meant better living standards for those involved, not even the social democracies of europe
No.555200
>>803784
Icastic.
No.555201
Maoists do something!
No.555202
>>555195I want both to die, cope
No.555203
>>803756
Yet another proof that Khokhols are staging those videos
No.555206
>>555014>If Russia loses, History is over for 30 other yearsfuck off with your crystal ball, it could as well set up the stage for the next communist movement, your social media lobbying wont amount to shit in this war anyway
No.555208
>>555190Two outcomes:
>Russia wins a limited war and then fucking dies due to sanctions>Russia looses and fucking dies even faster because not only has Putin just unleashed Perestroika 2.0 levels of economic chaos, but also lost all legitimacy as the big strong leaderWhatever happens, China doesn't give a shit and continues outpacing US. All that is happening is Putin impaling himself in a massive retard move.
No.555210
>>554811Yeah, Ukrainians in general shouldn't die in this pointless war, even Russians shouldn't. If there are people who should die horribly, are Westerners.
No.555211
>>555204It's not all that good, and it's not even his, but from a boomer friend of his.
No.555212
>>555206<Unilateral NATO domination everywhere will set the stage fro more revolutionsDude are you ok?
Read back the shit you wrote please
No.555213
>>555182Limited Ukrainian victory (2021 status quo, no government collapse), peace of exhaustion after many years of warfare, and a US-Russia nuclear exchange are also realistic possibilities. I'm trying to avoid the last two of those.
No.555216
>>555189based maxor enjoyer
No.555217
>>555195I just want peace, NATO looks like a better choice
No.555218
>>555209people in the 1970s, at least within the dominant racial/ethnic group, tended to live better
No.555219
>>555213Why would you wanna avoid a nuclear war? It would just make everything stop already. I'm tired Robbie.
No.555222
>>555208>then fucking dies due to sanctionsAre you retarded? Russia is already autark, the west has no leverage anymore and BRICS are supporting russia.
No.555223
>>555101To be honest, I don't think it's that bad. Sure, Porky can get people to bark on command like Pavlov's dog, but it's shallow conditioning. There's no real belief behind it, people remain highly alienated and demobilized. It's not false consciousness so much as mere distraction, much easier to dispell on an individual level. This is a downgrade from, for example, Cold War propaganda and its deeply-ingrained notions of patriotism, freedom-loving etc.
No.555226
>>555219if I wanted to die so badly I could just pull the trigger myself, no need to get 2 billion other people or whatever the number is now vaporized
No.555227
>>555190If Russia fell, in order for shit to go to 1991 levels we’d need actual occupation of the Kremlin by most likely NATO and US troops in which case they will be destroyed by a ruthless reaction insurgency. I wouldn’t call the new insurgency a Russian Federation loyalist remnant but a fractured force most likely looking to protect Russian interests from foreign occupation, basically Russian patriots looking to protect their country so we’d be back to Putin 2.0. So I disagree, if Russia collapsed it’d mostly likely become even more dangerous than it is now and that much more become a truly absolutist power, or be taken over by new working class power(if we were lucky).
No.555228
>>555217For whom? And for what?
No.555229
>>555171We have no horses in this race. We merely need to understand and share in unison how this is 100% NATOs fault. Every single Russian or Ukrainian killed goes to NATOs kill count. I'm not even anti-azov, I'm more anti-them getting funding, training, legitimation by the NATO coup government. FUCK NATO. It's the only true eneny here, of both the Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs and proletariat.
No.555230
>>555220That is no change in their position.
At no point have any countries said will send their troops and no fly zones require that as you have to shoot down the planes.
Many analyst all over said no fly zone not happening cause escalation
No.555231
>>555208Brainlet take, sanctions would have happened regardless
Sanctions can't even collapse a small country with no resources like north korea or cuba, russia will be alright
No.555232
>>555183>>555184If Putin doesn't care why isn't Kiev leveled right now.
No.555233
>>555229fuck azov but otherwise good point.
No.555234
>>555208If Russia gets fucked, China is next and isolated.
China falling would be a nightmare for world socialism, and I say this as very not a Dengist.
No.555235
>>803810
And who’s “us”
No.555236
>>555222Yes I am sure average Russians will be very happy when literally all foreign goods that aren't shit get cut off. Real Russian only survives on his ration of vodka, wheat, pig meat and natural gas!
No.555238
>>555229Another good stance along the other few ones in these threads.
No.555239
>>555227Maybe but that would take a shitton of time and human lives.
No.555240
>>555232They want to capture Zelensky alive and humiliate him publically.
No.555241
>>555230Sure, but the rhetoric was pointed at calming down the public. The press secretary said the Biden admin wants the public to know that there will be no military conflict with Russia. That is at least a very firm statement at the moment when all we've been hearing is about punishment for Russia.
No.555243
>>555218Because they were living on what was left of the keynesian welfare state right as it was entering a crisis and shit's been circling the drain ever since
No.555244
>>555228For people of the world, for Ukraine, for Russia. NATO generally opposes autocracies and genocidal warmongers
No.555245
>>555236And what happens when they’re unhappy?
No.555246
>>555234China is literally on par with us economically and almost geopolitical pull
They can rally dozens of countries to side with them. See the un votes on uighur stuff where like 50 or so side with them.
Russia is little
No.555247
>>555234How the fuck would China be isolated? They are still basically untouchable due to their importance to the world economy. And as long as they don't do something stupid like Taiwan invasion, EU would be neutral or even pro-China.
No.555248
>>555220They were saying the same about swift tho.
No.555249
>>555028Election promises were lies
No.555251
>>555232He almost certainly cares, which is why everything isn't glasses over already. All I'm saying is, decisive victory or not, Putin is going to have to deal with a wave of NATo funded insurgents for the next few years.
No.555252
>>555244>NATO generally opposes autocracies and genocidal warmongersHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No.555253
>>554797>>554944Ron Paul institute is actually being reasonable instead of simping for Western imperialism ??? Unbelievable.
No.555254
>>555099Honestly this is what creeps me out about so many posts here.
Behavior that people here would be quick to condemn as disgusting gets a free pass because "it's different when XYZ political actor does it." Do any of you fuckers have any actual principles or are your brains just fucking fried from resentment
No.555255
>>555225>NATO destroying a Russian convoyYEESSS DO IEEET!
ESCALATE C C E L E R A T E No.555257
>>803756
YOU WILL EAT THE EXPIRED MRE AND YOU WILL LIKE IT
No.555258
>>555247<Implying this is about economicsEconomic reason went out of the window the moment EU decided to nuke Russian Central Bank.
We are on a whole another level.
They're playing for annihilation.
No.555259
>>555253Because they know that this is not a grave, it's the future you chose.
No.555260
>>555239That’s out of our hands. There’s no amount of praying or showing some faggoty ass liberal gesture of support or virtue signal that will help Russia win or lose. The same for Ukraine, no amount to liberal tears or fist pumping will help Ukraine, only guns, soldiers, tanks, fighter planes and bombs.
No.555261
>>555223>>554971eah i mean check out this shit. 3/4th of America is against it but nearly 50% of zoomers and 40% of urbanites say that Russia had the right to invade. That is kind of wild isn't it?
No.555262
>>555253Ron Paul worked for Russia today for years
Idk where you are getting the guy sides with west. This guy has said on western tv Iran should be allowed to have nukes and 9/11 was u.s fault for wars they started
No.555263
>>555190what a childishly simple view of history
No.555264
>>554797Not a single one of these twitter accounts present the Russian side of the narrative. Garbage. Someone give me a better list.
No.555265
>>555244>NATO generally opposes autocracies and genocidal warmongersHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA good one.
What fucking think tank is paying you to write this shit. Hahahahaha
No.555267
>>555262I thought the Von Mises/ Ron Paul institutes, NBER,…. are libertarian and/or pro-West ?
No.555269
>>555244-which is why they are funded by autocracies like salazar and genocidal warmongers like the US and Britain.
No.555270
Can you guys stop praying for nukes? You do understand once that shit starts there will be no internet to shitpost on right?
No ebin leftypol and memes, youll be sent back to analog technology if you even survive
No.555273
>>555164the shitposters with strong opinions and need to announce their support just spam a lot
No.555274
>>555229>I'm not even anti-azov>le based truly neutralFuck off
No.555275
>>803857
The working class are not comrades, studpid agent. Go fuck off CIA. You used to be better read.
No.555277
>>555270>You do understand once that shit starts there will be no internetYes, but as well as that, there might be downsides…
No.555278
>>555260They literally sent Ukraine 10000+ rounds of anti tank missiles.
>>555263Enumerate revolutions worldwide from 1991, i dare you massive faggot.
No.555279
>>555258You do realize the ruling class has for all intents and purposes went lumpen and forgot socialism as a threat, right? The reason EU chimped out is not because Russia decided to overturn the American empire or because it threatens porky. Its because Putin is unironically acting like an unpredictable retard, a mad dog that has to be put down, just like Hitler who united the vying British, French and American empires. Just as there isn't some evil cabal of King Lier imagined porkies, there isn't a cabal of NATO imperialists. I guarantee most of the people in charge of these nations are legitimatelly pissing their pants about how dangerous the situation is for everyones well-being, not thinking "Hmm, need to protect NATO outpost".
No.555280
>>555271>>555272>literally 1 second gapyou two need a girlfriend or a feminine boyfriend.
No.555281
>>555266Nothing. Just have a pro western politician like Navalny that’ll get better trade deals out of Russia and will be a buffer between Europe and China. So not exactly a puppet but enough of an influence that they are “soft powered” by the west like how Germany is soft powered by America.
No.555283
>>555270So mean the internet will be down and I'll have to touch grass? Holy shit NOOOOOOOO de-escalate NOW
No.555284
>>555212<Unilateral NATO domination everywhere>russia failing to seize ukraine = Unilateral NATO domination everywhereyou make so many shortcuts to support your simple view its laughable
No.555285
>>555247>Something stupid>The liberation of TaiwanWhat? when this place became another subreddit?
No.555286
>>555270It's just edgy teens who are either shitposting or hate their lives.
So far Putin has just done "counter sanctions"
I'm beginning to think this is a money war. I hope I'm right.
No.555287
Northeastern pocket is closed, Mariupol is closed, Eastern Ukrainian pocket likely closed tomorrow at some point, the northern and southern wings are only about 100km away from each other. If that's successfully done Ukraine won't have the manpower/equipment to stop a crossing of the Dnieper
Despite some weird tactical blunders, which are probably due to highly restricted ROE(next to no air support, very limited fire support) the Russian rate of advance has been insane. Russian losses have been high, but then again, the Ukrainian Army was very much totally rebuilt over the last 8 years and isn't a pushover. For comparison it took the US a month to take Iraq in 03, and a couple weeks for the major cities. The cities the Russians are cutting off are magnitudes larger and the terrain and distances are far greater.
The really weird aspect is that the Russians aren't using their frontline units for some reason. The only modern equipment we're seeing a lot of is Tigrs(russian humvee equivalent). Everything else is second echelon equipment, no modern air units, no modern cruise missiles, highly limited artillery use.
No.555288
>>555250is r/genzdong pro nato in this conflict? it fits better with the dengist theme
No.555289
>>555270Being against nuclear global annihilation is pro NATO because NATO benefits from “shit as usual”.
No.555290
>>803857
Oh no no! Those bankers and billionaires are national bourgouise (good), unlike those welders who are bankrolled by international bourgoise (bad)
No.555291
>>803857
>On the right
Working class, resistance fighters defending their homeland from invasion, welders, plumbers………comrades
you forgot an important piece that you did not showed, neonazis that go on and on about the holodomor.
No.555292
>>555248Who? I thought the US was pushing for the SWIFT stuff but it was Germany that was like "nah, we don't want Russia to collapse, we've got money there"
No.555293
>>555270What's the downside then?
No.555295
>>555279Naive.
Systematically underestimating how the ruling class is vile anon.
I say this as an estimator of other things you wrote earlier on leftypol.
No.555296
>>555274Nah, i was trying to appeal to the both siders. Fuck the nazi infested Ukraine government. Fuck zelensky, nazi enabler, as good as a nazi.
Like Bandera, their hands are drenched with the blood of the innocents. Enabled by NATO.
May Putin purge every last nazi.
No.555297
>>555261Exactly. When it comes to the informational aspect of social control, Porky's grasp is slipping.
No.555298
>>555279>there isn't a cabal of NATO imperialistsThere very clearly is.
>I guarantee most of the people in charge of these nations are legitimatelly pissing their pants about how dangerous the situation is for everyones well-being, not thinking "Hmm, need to protect NATO outpost".They're thinking both. Fearing Putin's recklessness is not mutually exclusive with wanting to maintain Transatlantic Empire, on the contrary Russia's recent activity only justifies its existence in the minds of the West.
No.555299
>>555279>le putler is an unpredictable actorit was fucking CLEAR that he was going to do this, even US policymakers IN 2014 AND 2015 said trying to include ukraine in NATO is going to lead to this, holy fucking cope litvinoid
No.555301
>>554912is this Agent Kochinski?
No.555302
>>555244certified glow moment
No.555303
>>555266tfw NATO wants to destroy Russian cuties like that.
No.555304
>>555276Are there any objectively sane people without biased opinions in these threads? Seems everyone is either a PUTINshill or a NATOshill.
No.555305
>>555279Yeah we get it tankies are bad and we have to appose them!!!!!!
>>555297kek. The normalfags are wiser than pro-nato leftiods.
No.555306
>>555266New FSB strat to infiltrate Azov
No.555307
>>555284<Implying they will stop at UkraineDude they're literally going out publicly saying their objective is forcing regime change on Russia, swapping anti-NATO Porky with Pro-NATO porky.
No.555308
>>803857
Хватит подъебывать
No.555309
>>555302You are the one glowing
No.555310
>>555183If the dust settles and this doesn't spiral our of control. All those weapons flooded in Ukraine and handed to randos and far right extremist is going to create some terrifying terrorist groups through Europe.
No.555311
>>555288their posters have less Pro-Nato sentiments than this site.
No.555312
>>555278>They literally sent Ukraine 10000+ rounds of anti tank missiles.Exactly and there’s no amount of denouncing these acts will stop weapons being sent. All we can do is observe and report.
No.555313
>>555287>Russian losses have been highAt least 10 times lower than Ukrop ones. Photos and videos put their losses at 100, some leak said 200-300 losses.
No.555314
>>555270being against nuclear annihilation is pro-nato because nato needs civilization to exist
No.555315
>>555304"No war class war" is NATO shilling for these putinists
No.555316
maybe i was just high at the time but i'm interested by the change in dynamic from "oh wow, an actual war" to a pro-Russian consensus in these threads over the last few days. (even if it's a return to the norm from a pro-Russian consensus before the war started.)
No.555317
>>555082still an edgy and infantile right winger I see
No.555318
>>555311>>555294Pity, would be funnier
No.555319
>>555311It is considerably easier to astroturf an image board than it is to astroturf a forum tbf.
No.555320
>>554912HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAGAHAHA
great job
No.555321
>>555225Interesting, so the media went full skitzo over their ruling class. This will trigger some splits. How my fellow comrades in the west can do good gains and bargains in detriment of the power they hold, which is a lot.
No.555322
One more attack against the retard Putinoids ITT. Azov Battalion is a fucking paper tiger designed to whip up concent for intervention, America style. Of course, all the retard hyper online "communists" bite it so good, because they are triggered by the Nazi aesthetic (aka the aesthetic of a dead ideology that never will rise, but which will always live rent-free in a western MLs head).
No.555325
>>555316there was a big pro-Ukraine surge from glowies and tourists which got curbed by mods so now its "returned to the mean" of /leftypol/ opinions
No.555326
>>555316West/NATO/US provoked and pushed Russia to attack by refusing to give guarantees to Russia's safety
No.555327
>>555315No war but class war is a truism that deflects from the actual circumstances put in front of you and the significance that their outcomes will have for the working class of Russia, Ukraine and the world at large.
No.555328
>>555254Putin winning indirectly advances our own objectives, just like Germany not collapsing in the eastern front to the tsarist army advanced Lenin interests.
Is that so difficult to grasp?
No.555329
>>555314You are not gonna sell me on nuclear holocaust but pretty good try.
No.555330
Any news from Mariupol?
No.555331
>>803857
working class is when you wear a baseball cap
No.555332
>>555304There aren't NATOshills here but about 25% of users here seem to be Kremlin sympathizers. That is account on them being absolute idiots in every sense of the word and why organizing against them politically is like taking candy from a baby.
No.555333
>>555307>>555307this has been their policy for literal decades
No.555334
>>555313According to what? What info? Are you corroborating different info and verifying it? I imagine you have a massive team going through all the information and gathering it into one massive compendium that presents a picture of the facts of this conflict right?
No.555335
>>555322Are you trying to re-educate certified bootlickers?
No.555336
>>555312This is true but at least one could maintain one (1) place where people reason and avoid spouting pro-NATO bullshit.
No.555339
>>803924
The only leftist take here
No.555340
>>555271>>555272>>555303>>555306Anwser my question, coomers!!
I did the same question without the qt in the other thread and got ignored. kek>>555281Do you think they would do a "decommunization" like they did in Ukraine? Illegalize communist parties and such?
No.555341
>>555243dirigsme economics in general arent genocidal fuck over anyone else like fascism does
unless you count its explotation of the third world but neoliberalism does the same thing so eh
also we dont know if a return to dirigsme economics would break down again since the system behind the dirigsme were liberal democratic states or states that justified this economics by saying its temporary
in russia and maybe chinas system of dirigsme the state is not at all a liberal democracy, no where in the us spehere, and especially in the case of china dirigsme economics are not seen as temporary but as a long term permanant thing, as the superior economic system to beat the cold war west
No.555342
>>555338The class war is fought through various means
No.555343
>>555210> Yeah, Ukrainians in general shouldn't die in this pointless war, even Russians shouldn't. If there are people who should die horribly, are Westerners.Ok, but the war already started
We are no longer at a stage where we are discussing whether there should be a war
we are discussing is what the results and consequences with the ongoing war
No.555344
>>555236they'll be mad, but they'll be mad at the west and rally around the flag because of it, sanctions always end up working that way
No.555345
>>555332Says the succdem that posted an article saying that leftists should support NATO
Just get out, you should be happier on reddit anyway.
No.555346
>>555313I'm only doing it in comparison to a "western" campaign, but then again we don't have anything comparable. The closest would be Desert Storm/03, but in both of those the Iraqi forces were a joke and basically only existed on paper
mission kills of vehicles are about 100-150
manpower loses are probably 300-400 range so far
No.555347
>>555338The part where it doesn't allow them to support the 2nd Reich invasion of Belgium because it combats Angloid imperialism
No.555348
>>555328>just like Germany not collapsing in the eastern front to the tsarist army advanced Lenin interestsYeah but you didn't see Lenin going around saying the Kaiser was based and that Rosa Luxembourg was an Okhrana agent for opposing the German war effort.
No.555349
>>555326Thanks for sharing, but I think he meant inside leftypol
No.555350
>>555342yes, like "ironically" posting in favor of a nuclear exchange to own the westoids
No.555351
>>555345Braindead poltard I'm not the same socdem flag user.
No.555352
>>555322>designed So Putin created Azov Battalion now? And tricked America and Ukraine into supporting it? What
No.555353
>>555338Class war requires a vanguard ready to take power and turn the guns around on Porky.
Not happening anytime soon in Russia, unthinkable in the West.
We're gonna deal with reality and not wishes.
>>555333Of course, but they cranked up the aggression to the max.
No.555354
>>555324Although in the case of reddit it's advantages as a depot for social control is much more powerful than image boards, it's upboat system and modfaggotry (Who all share the same mods and the fact that the CEO of reddit is a literal fed) means that it's basically a glow zone and constantly bombarding image boards is a pain in the ass. There is little to no real damage to people who resist the astroturf either so reddit is generally stronger and likely what every other website envies on that front.
>>555325It helps that they started to post gore porn when it was clear that Ukraine isn't going to really win.
No.555355
>>555247https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/02/18/us-russia-china-war-nato-quadrilateral-security-dialogue/They have already planned to go to war, they will do it, regardless you can see it or not. If Russia falls China's next.
To be "grilled" and say incoherent things…
CURIOUS.
No.555356
>>803857
here's who actually sits on the right:
militia leaders, neonazis, and government politicians trying to look cool and hip and careless in comparison to the stuck up suits sitting opposite them
No.555357
>>555102I'm assuming you mean monopolarity, which is just untrue, since China exists. And even without China, the economic conditions have changed massively after 2008 and the coming economic crsis. You lack any dialectical thinking, understanding of the moment and you're just a bloodthirsty edge lord.
No.555358
>>555350nobody here really wants nuclear war shitposting is shitposting please calm down
No.555360
>>555287>Russian losses have been highsource ?
>>555313>At least 10 times lower than Ukrop onessource ?
has anybody seen sources ?
No.555361
>>555316>pro-Russian consensus no such thing. But we recognize the west is at fault for the crisis and hypocritical in its denunciation. And many people here are just anti NATO before anything
putin is still a bitch and some retards just cant handle nuance
No.555362
>>555355You forget I am also a Schizo
No.555364
>>555360trust me bro
t. knower
No.555365
>>555332>25%Explain then why posters who give their analysis that even hints at a “both sides” argument get all the (You)s and pure propagandizing for Russia posters don’t get any (You)s? I’m sure that it’s more accurate to say that 70 percent of posters are as you say “putinshills” and the other 30 are the “both sides” posters.
No.555367
>>555352I think he's talking more about how its being portrayed by Russia's narrative. The reality is that Ukraine is probably closer to Germany in 1920 than 1940, ie it has a Freikorps but these people aren't exactly running the country.
No.555368
>>555353things change fast in wartime anon, the bolsheviks were marginal as hell in 1914
No.555369
Will they allow haz on RT set with a tank top
No.555370
>>555327No it doesn't. Russian soldiers should drive right back home and shoot Putin and his oligarchis friends, then establish a socialist government. Of course the Communist party of the russian federation is an even worse piece of shit than Unite Russia so we are all fucked
No.555371
What does gun ownership among the proletariat look like in Russia?
No.555372
>>555323Your refusal to pick a side Russia because of a state which is subclinically “imperialist” vs the existing imperialist threat solidifying its hegemony further is well-reasoned, but you cannot reject the circumstances presented to you. I agree that Russia’s “not imperialism” is only a product of it not yet having the material capabilities, despite the ambition for it well existing in it. However, assuming that it crossed the threshold in the future is like stage 1 vs stage 4 cancer. The metaphor is a little iffy, sure (especially cancer fighting cancer), but one of these sides represents the better outcome and one of them represents the worse, however it may be
No.555373
>>555348It was clear that a russian win in the eastern front was bad news for Lenin, he never went as far as supporting the Kaiser but he certainly used the fact that germany was winning to further his own interests.
We should do the same, the worst thing that could happen is a NATO victory, so we should support the opposite of that, a Russian victory.
No.555374
>>555345I was the one posting an article saying that leftists should support Ukrainian people. You are literally supporting everything aimed at attacking NATO, you would support genocide if it was based anti-Western anti-imperialist genocide.
No.555375
>>555372Basically this shit. I doubt we have any real pro-putin people. People like Maupin and Haz are mocked here
No.555376
>>555336>spouting proNATO shitI don’t know what this even means uygha.
No.555377
>>555357China alone is an easy target to fight.
Its the two front logic that is straining Us Empire,otherwise they're still superior to China, vastly so if including allies.
>>555363That split second would be a split second more than what we got for the last 30 years.
Lenin already did it once this way.
No.555378
>>555332bold of you to assume anyone organizes
No.555379
>>555371Gun ownership never fucking mattered. What matters is how pissed (or dysfunctional) the power structures become in order for a revolution to happen. Either that, or economic/social chaos on such scale that literally almost everyone walks out into the streets.
No.555380
>>555315>"No war class war" is NATO shilling for these putinistsCan you explain the practical differences between wanting Russia to retreat and wanting NATO to own Ukraine?
Surely bourgeois war was just as bad when NATO was pumping Ukraine full of weapons and ramping up warmongering propaganda in preparation for their own abandonment of Minsk2. As well as the 8 years of shelling the Donbass republics.
No? Only need to stop war now that NATO is on the losing side? ok.
No.555381
>>555276cont.
This is why I push the "both sides [Russia - Nato] are bad" line, my dear followers!
Please like, subscribe, and lick my boots!
No.555382
>all these NATO shills accusing everybody of being putinoids
so much for "no war but class war"…
No.555383
>>555368That is right but Zyuganov is a MASSIVE cuck retard, and worth 0,00000001% Lenin.
No.555384
>>555365>pure propagandizing for Russia posters don’t get any (You)sbecause we know they're retarded shitposters that wont change their opinion. And we're more used to calling out libs. We spend all days immersed in west propaganda, so it get more pushback. Russia propaganda is basically just seen here.
No.555385
>>555370I do think a defeat could deliver us the worker movement to replace Putin, but a victory would give us that AND a possible neutral territory that may be able to pursue communism
No.555386
>>555268Wikipedia also says socialism is genocidal and guialdo is the president of venezuela
No.555387
>>555380>No? Only need to stop war now that NATO is on the losing side? okWhat the fucking fuck does this sentence even mean? Am I retarded because I sure as shit don’t understand it.
No.555388
>>555384Russia's soft power is actually kind of shit tbh. I never got that complaint from well anyone really.
No.555389
half of these threads is people saying "go putin!!! get em! it will be much better if russia wins!" and then when theres any criticism of the simplicity & general retardation of that position someone says "no one here SUPPORTS russia, stupid"
just own it fuckers. we get it, your pea brain isnt sufficiently entertained by the horror of inter-imperialist wars & the possibility of nuclear annihilation and you need a team to root for, stop backpedaling and pretending like you can couch you epin putin memes in any sensible communist position
No.555390
>>555304Are you aware of the crimes of the Ukrainian government? Are you aware of the provocations NATO did to incite the invasion? It's hard to blame Russia when Russia has been trying for peace and stability for 8 straight years while the Ukrainian government commited crimes against humanity. Where was your bleeding heart during those 8 years???
Above all, THERE IS NO WORKING CLASS FOR ITSELF. Neither in Russia nor Ukraine (except maybe Lugansk and Donesk). So supporting the working class or whatever bullshit you conjure is pure idealistic garbage (not idealist, idealistic).
It's literally "thoughts and prayers" tier. You don't give a fuck about the affected. You only want everyone to hold hands and sing kumbaya. Unfortunately the real world is nothing like your liberal fantasy world and shit fucking sucks and is complicated as hell. There is no working class to sing kumbaya for itself.
Exit your fantasy world and enter reality.
No.555391
>>555374>>555374"Leftists should support ukrainian people" is what I would expect from a liberal to continue with, "that's why we must support NATO and sanctions"
OUT No.555392
>>555372>but one of these sides represents the better outcome and one of them represents the worse, however it may beI agree, and I've said multiple times that barring a collapse of the Russian state which favours the Russian communists, a Russian victory in Ukraine is the best possible outcome. However I don't think that this requires us to approve of the invasion per say, and certainly not to voice such approval in public.
>>555373>he never went as far as supporting the Kaiser but he certainly used the fact that germany was winning to further his own interestsYes, because Lenin understood the distinction between tactics and strategy. He would denounce the Kaiser and lend every possible effort to the cause of revolutionary defeatism in both Germany and Russia, and he would do so while taking the Kaiser's money and train rides.
No.555393
>>555365I like to be conservative in guessing how many users of a particular site are evil. Counting lurkers, it's possible the Kremloids are a sizable, vocal minority. Who knows what their motivations are, not to imply they're capable of conscious thought.
No.555394
>>555383I don't at all disagree, my hope is that when shit hits the fan the Russian commies kick him out and replace him with a Lenin. Mensheviks once dominated the Russian socialist movement.
(this doesn't mean rooting for NATO though, the right move is to stoke antiwar sentiment on both sides)
No.555395
>>555133 why are there Russian porn stars singing in green a screen background video
No.555396
>>555394how are we even doing that though? Like, having a "Good" opinion and actually doing anything is two different things.
No.555397
>>555394>the right move is to stoke antiwar sentiment on both sidesSo back to status quo, so NATO.
No.555398
>>555397Tell me how stoking anti-NATO sentiment in NATO countries helps NATO.
No.555400
>>804000
pure fucking lib projection.
No.555401
>>555387NATO nazi puppets getting fucked. Russia invaded ukraine a few days ago.
No.555402
>>555361people in general are poorly trained for nuance. ultimately, one instinctively wants either russia or ukraine to 'win', or perhaps russia or NATO to win, depending on one's framing of the question.
one can come up with all sorts of reasons and rationales for picking a side, but ultimately the only way to not have one is to not care at all, or perhaps to want everyone to lose.
>>555389tbh i'm constantly disappointed by the ratio of webms of shit exploding and maps that slowly get redder to wordy self-justification, doomerism, and militaristic wank-fantasy.
>>804000this would be a very interesting explanation if true.
No.555403
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No.555404
>>555380WGYYXRNV
YOU SUBHUMAN UYGHUR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND YOU ARE A FUCKIGN AGRESSOR MURDERER YOU PIECE OF FUKGAIPJT FIGLTYJH
YOU A RE A SUBHUMAN SUBHUMAN SUBHUMAN
WOW WOW WOW NATO BAD SO NUKE NATO STATES
LETS LET FUCKING PSYCHO MURDERERS OF CHECHNYA GO INTO URBAN CENTERS
LETS USE PHJSOPHORUS BOMSB
LETS FUCKING DEMAND PEOPLE TO TAKE OUT THERIR OWN GOVERNMENT JUST SO YOU WOULD STOP COKMITING WAR CRIMES ON THEM
BECAUSE NATO IS PURE EVIL AND ANYTHIGN AGAINST IT IS PURE GOOD
EVEN WHILE THE HUMAN FILTH PUTIN SENDS MURDERERS TO STOMP OUT REAL SOCIALISTS REVOLUTIONS IN CSTO STATES
WHILE SUPPORTING MURDERERS LIKE KADYROV WHO ARE NO BETTER THAN COLOMBIAN REGIME
ALL BECAUSE YOU LISTENED TO AN AUTISTIC GINGER RETARD WHO READ OUTDATED SHITTY SOVIET PAMPHLETS AND NEVER READ A BOOK IN HIS LIFE SAID DUGHH AZOV NADZIES XDDDD
BECAUSE NATO IS BIG EMPIRE AND RUSSIA IS A SMOL WANNA BE EMPIRE
BECASUE BIG EMPIRE BAD
FUCK YOU RETARD
KILL YOURSELF
No.555405
>>555315Thank you for your sloganeering anon. You're doing god's work.
No.555406
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No.555407
See the problem is the Putinoids don't get that Ukranians that side with NATO are worthy victims and those who side against it are warlike barbarians.
Ugh
No.555408
>>555236Can you fucking shut up? Their fucking balance economy has shifted towards China for years, they will be doing just fine. Of course not better with western markets, but fuck off with that rhetoric.
No.555409
>>555393I honestly could give a shit less because I know I’m not personally responsible for the death of both Russians and Ukrainians, nor am I responsible for fascist NATO sending weapons and egging this conflict on. Therefore I’m content in the fact that I can give a shit less about this conflict cuz it has nothing to do with my general interest as a working class person. As an individual I have zero power in getting rid of NATO and I’m not liberal enough to believe I can “make a difference”. I’m not a zoomer brain either who spends his time on twitter debates and having le takes. I spend my time here only for shitposting, memeing and discussion. This pathetic NEET filled autistic sperg of a website is not praxis and to think it means anything is one big cope. Peace.
No.555410
>>555404>REAL SOCIALISTS REVOLUTIONSwhere
No.555411
>>804000
>Like every U.S. soldier I know criticized our government, and our military command structure publicly over the horrifically planned and executed evacuation from the AO of Afghanistan.
Hahahhahahahahhahahah
Not the inavsion. Not the current genocide Biden is doing. Not the civilian killings. Not the drone program. Not the rapes. Not the torture. Not the installation of an american puppet. Not the refugee crisis. Not the flattening of cities. The true crime was how quickly they pulled out.
Hahahahahahahaha americans are truly psychopathic.
No.555413
>>555070>Putin bootlickers seethingWow, I didn't expect such a sperg out. I get that people a furious at the Ukrop government for all of its new crimes since the war started, but remember this is not the USSR "liberating" Cuckraine. How many times does it need to be proven that Putin is bourgeios scum like the rest?
>Obsessing over Trosky out of nowhereLOL rentfree
No.555414
>>804000
I don't know, most phrases in Russian here are Russians telling putinoids to shut the fuck up.
No.555416
>>555404Мне нравится этот шизофреник
No.555417
>>555412How did you get that from what I wrote? Americans dont get to have an opinon. They don't get to protest about anything. Their failure to build an anti-imperialist left, let alone a communist left, is what led to the genocide of the international working class. Their failure is directly responsible for this conflict too.
If you're american, shut the fuck up and apologize to Russians and Ukranians.
No.555418
>>555409If this site is trash due to its popularity then humanity is fucked because this is a somewhat fringe place. Not giving a shit about anything isn't enlightened it's just a cope. Hiding behind layers of irony ("just shitposting") is Rick and Morty tier and you'd be better off doing something else.
No.555419
>>555392Valid. But personally, I’m not ashamed to say that I support Russia because, as a person of Indian ancestry, I know which side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict thinks of themselves more like the people that subjugated the subcontinent and which side thinks of themselves more like people like me.
No.555421
>>555418becoming too invested in something you cannot control is also rick and morty tier. the answer, for once, lies in the middle. in a buddhist kind of way or something, not in a centrist kind of way.
No.555423
>>555419>I know which side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict thinks of themselves more like the people that subjugated the subcontinent and which side thinks of themselves more like people like me.I understand the sentiment, but I'm thinking tactically in terms of what best maximizes the chance for Western comrades to turn the prevailing opinions against NATO. When everybody is upset that Ukraine is getting torn apart by foreign powers, the quickest way to win their support is to denounce all foreign intervention, which in the West amounts to a denunciation of NATO. I'm also thinking of the best way for Russian communists to leverage the internal contradictions created by this war to the benefit of their movement. When this shit inevitably immiserates the Russian people, any "communist" supported the bourgeois warmongers will not be left in a strong political position.
No.555424
>>555417>he was asleep for all of 2020an angry mob of burgers literally tried to storm the white house during the george floyd protests lmao
No.555425
>>555421True. I became worked up about Kremlin sympathizers when I realized rightoids are sympathetic to Putin taking bites out of the West. To see leftists being this way is more of an absurdity than anything else.
No.555426
>>555322Back then the NSDAP was also considered just a paper tiger.
No.555428
>>555427I see "When Soviet SOCIALISM imploded (1991)," I don't read anymore.
No.555429
>>555399they arent nuanced opinions and reasonable arguments, theyre mental acrobatics about how rooting for putin is justified and how he's better than NATO and not imperialist but also believing this doesnt count as actually supporting putin because it doesnt count as support if you only support him on the condition that it will ensure your very particular vision of a future revolution that involves like a thousand different unrelated and indeterminable variables, but lets just pretend that putin accomplishing his revanchist goals in a limited war is worth cheering on because you have a hunch it will turn out better down the line
all these retards act like leninists, as if what didnt make lenin & the bolsheviks the last good socialists standing after the outbreak of ww1 is that they REFUSED TO TAKE A SIDE. granted the difference is most people here are westerners choosing the side of their countrys enemy which is at least admirable, but this isnt afghanistan or vietnam where you can correctly support the enemy and hope the empire bleeds out in a quagmire, this is probably the closest thing you can get to direct contemporary inter-imperial conflict without a nuclear war. yes, in this case its between a much weaker regional imperial power trying to retain what little influence it has in a fight against the global hegemon, so its tempting to choose the global underdog, but the global underdog is still the regional imperialist. its not unlike saying you support apartheid south africa because while theyre not perfect theyre a bulwark against western hegemons imposing sanctions on them
my personal hope is that on one hand russia gets bogged down in ukraine & it creates a crisis for the russian bloc of eastern european and central asian countries. hopefully the russian communist party and working class in general will be rejuvenated by this and take advantage of the economic chaos and the inevitable decline in putins domestic support and legitemacy.
on the other hand i hope that the economic upset caused by sanctions on russia has major economic repercussions in the west, and hastens the decline of the US to an extent that the global south can recognize such decline and take advantage of it, with everywhere from latin america to africa to asia being given some room to test the water on taking bolder moves than they could in previous years when the US was not so occupied. if the US tried another war of intervention in such a weakened state it would probably be another nail in the coffin of its total hegemony.
of course this is all speculation as well, but a far weakened and isolated russia does not necessarily equal the west thriving or benefitting. russia & its regional sphere are a very important piece of the global economic puzzle, and if that link breaks due to military defeat & domestic chaos, nobody will come out unscathed
US warhawks want another cold war, they want proxy wars to pour money into, they dont want putin to blow his load on ukraine and then be couped for unpopularity and open up a much more politically and economically unpredictable situation
No.555430
>>555427Despite the systematic campaign of lies by the bourgeois disinformation media, it is clear that the conflict in Ukraine is part of a secular war of aggression of Western imperialism against Russia and China, which began in 1918 with the US military invasion against the Russian Revolution, which was defeated by the Red Army in Siberia.
based and history pilled
No.555431
>>555427This cockshott guy keeps some good company. Very smart people. We should let him design the economy.
No.555432
>>555431I presume you are being sarcastic ?
No.555434
>>555427>as President Eisenhower had defined the supreme objectives of U.S. foreign policy in 1961, in the Single Integrated Operational Plan (SIOP): a surprise nuclear attack on the urban centers and industrial targets of Russia and China.Wtf… these people are insane.
No.555435
>>555433Oh really ? Are you aware of his bad opinions about LGBT and he literally thinks that "unequal exchange" cannot happen ?
His "proposals" are just
1) Utopian socialist talking points
2) Apply big computers. I believe that if a revolutionary party comes to power they can do it themselves without needing Mr Dickblast reactionary utopian drivels.
No.555436
>>555417Yeah, my parents are indian. My partner’s parents fled antisemites from ukraine. I won’t apologize to Russia, since I, like many of the people who can trace their lineage to colonized and imperialized countries, fully support it
No.555437
European countries will now have to buy Russian gas in Yuans/RMB instead of US Dollars.
No.555438
>>555435>Are you aware of his bad opinions about LGBT he literally thinks that "unequal exchange" cannot happen ? 1. bait and switch fallacy, topic was geo-politics not social values, or economic theory
2. Cockshott attacked specifically Judith Butler's version of gender theory on theoretical grounds, he did not push for social discrimination, learn to accept that some people have opinions that are very different from yours, without demanding to "burn the heretic". (Personally I'm undecided on the issue of gender theory, I'm holding out for evidence from brain research before i make up my mind, but if you do anything to imply that this theory is unquestionable doctrine, you are signalling a faith based believe system that will convince me to file it under highly improbable. I'm very allergic to anything that gives off religious zeal vibes)
3. unequal exchange theory is likely wrong, nobody has been able to challenge Cockshott's on a theoretical level on that. Some Marxist say that unequal exchange and profit equalization can be rescued when you restrict it to the realm of pure finance capital. I haven't drawn my conclusions about that yet, because it's dense theory that takes time to process.
>His "proposals" are just >1) Utopian socialist talking pointsCybernetic socialism is a realistic economic system for creating an economic system that could plausibly deliver on money-less economy.
Sortition democracy with democratic issue polling, is probably going to solve socialist problems with party politics, ie remove the need for purges..
>2) Apply big computers. I believe that if a revolutionary party comes to power they can do it themselves without needing Mr Dickblast reactionary utopian drivels.<Noo you can't think about possible ways how to construct a better future beforehand.I'm pretty sure that this hostility towards thinking about technical details about how to build a better future comes from an internalized desire to maintain the status quo, because if people can imagine how a better world could look like, they might actually change something.
TLDR you did not critique anything about the geo-political Article that Cockshott re-posted on his blog, you just attacked Cockshott's character, ad-hom attacks are type of social approval, congrats you just gave him a metaphorical upvote.
No.555439
>send in a column with no infantry to back it up
>it gets destroyed
>repeat 5x
russia is dogshit at war
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