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File: 1646077019690.mp4 (13.81 MB, 800x500, SABOTEUR.mp4)

 No.554797[Last 50 Posts]

 No.554798

Firdsent

 No.554799

1rd

 No.554800

>>554797
The thread subjects get shittier and shitter. kill yourself and rude sage

 No.554801

Am I falling for western propaganda or is shit not looking good for russia? Feels like balls deep invasion was a misstep tbqhwyfam. Russia is sanctioned to hell and even china is telling them to quit their shit. Thoughts bros?

 No.554802

File: 1646077143165.webm (7.43 MB, 592x590, sussy.webm)

DID YOU JUST STOP US FROM GUNNING DOWN THOSE CHILD-SIZED SABOTEURS? LOOKING SUSSY

 No.554803

>>554800
I will continue to make it Ukraine thread 3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 and there's nothing you can make of it.

 No.554804

File: 1646077149688.jpg (62.36 KB, 1280x720, drago.jpg)

>You will lose

 No.554805

File: 1646077183432.jpg (66.42 KB, 500x1130, r0bc0tdzkmk81.jpg)

nuff said

 No.554806

NTH FOR NUCLEAR WAR

 No.554807

Why isn't the free market fixing this?

 No.554808

RT banned across all of EU. I can still watch it live on rt.com over Tor.

 No.554809

>>554808
It opens just fine for me.

 No.554810

>>554803
what a surprise, OP sucks cocks

 No.554811

File: 1646077291328.jpg (20.81 KB, 360x450, Drhu1.jpg)

Does anybody in this thread actually give a shit about ordinary Ukrainians or are we gonna start brainwashing ourselves into thinking they're all Neo-Nazi secret NATO sleeper agents

 No.554812

>>803296
She's 13 Voosh.

 No.554813

File: 1646077338966.png (335.33 KB, 600x600, saboteur.png)

>>554807
>free market
>free
funny joke anon

 No.554814

>>554811
Yeah, me. Just want this shit to be over man.

 No.554815

File: 1646077356824.jpg (33.1 KB, 683x347, IMG-20220228-WA0011.jpg)

what the fuck? would Putin start a nuclear war?

 No.554816

>>554812
I'm more convinced than ever that there's a stark difference between Evangelion fans and people who actually like Evangelion

 No.554817

>>554814
LOOKING SUSSY THERE ANON

 No.554818


 No.554819

>>554805
hey I recognize him it's the looser who was defeated at Galipolli! Remember the Dardanelles!

 No.554820

>>554807
Because capitalism has crushed it.

 No.554821

>>802702
>ethnonationalist puppet

This is a lie. Donbas is not ethnonationalist and it seeks autonomy or separation on the basis it is oppressed for its nationality. Ukrainian nationalism alienates these people as non-Ukrainian for their ethnicity and history, considering them a disloyal leftover of Russian taint.

Donbas is part of Ukraine because the Bolsheviks combined two revolutions, one Ukrainian and one Russian, and the nationalist desire to divorce them reproduces these people as non-Ukrainian by destroying their ties to the country.

 No.554822

Lick my weewee.

 No.554823

>>554811
Of course we care. But ordinary Ukrainian refugees will be exploited in gray economy, this burst of solidarity across Europe is two-faced.

 No.554824

Any news from Mariupol?

 No.554825

>>554814
We're sending you to Siberia

 No.554826

Well, we may have bombed Kharkov with weapons that are technically illegal, but hunting saboteurs is sus, so YOU are the real war criminal.

 No.554827

>>554801
porky is sweating BULLETS

 No.554828

File: 1646077516396.jpg (254.78 KB, 1080x1200, IMG_20220228_204410.jpg)

Why do liberals believe everything Ukraine says with zero critical thinking?

 No.554829

>>554811
That's what Kadyrov and Russian state TV are doing now. There are no more talks about "nationalist minority with Nazi president Zelenskyy", they now tell how most of Ukraine was brainwashed by Nazis

 No.554830

>>554826
I mean, one is killing civilians collaterally and the other is killing your own civilians.
Dunno man.

 No.554831

>>554830
Btw check' em

 No.554832


>UKRAINE THREAD 3.1.1.1



OP, Next do one with OVER 9000!!!!!11!!1one!11!!

 No.554833

>>554828
Because Zelensky is Captain America and Ukraine is basically Hogwarts and Putler is Voldemort

 No.554834


 No.554835

>>554811
Since the begin of the fighting, some Ukrainian civilians acted retarded, but most were chill and didn't even mind the Russian troops. But in the Ukrainian forces, neo-nazi assholes became more and more prominent since the fighting started. Ukrainian propaganda shamelessly promoted the Azov Batallion as glorious freedom fighters. Azov Batallion controls Mariupol.

 No.554836

>>554826
phosphorous bombs are illegal by the U.N. charter, yet, most western countries didn't sign the charter, so cope, phagget.

 No.554837

>>554801
>Stories about how a schizo jingoist Russian general with unironic delusions of restoring the Czarist borders is now saying Russia is on the brink of collapse
Face it, its ogre. If the noose comes from a humiliating military defeat or from starving Russians for whom you just recreated Perestroika, you are fucked.

 No.554838

>>554833
ong so true

 No.554839

File: 1646077667063.mp4 (8.17 MB, 1920x1080, SoyOfKiev.mp4)


 No.554840

>>554811
Ukraine objectively used ethnic Ukrainian identity to overcome linguistic and regional divisions, alienating the most Russian parts as non-Ukrainian and not part of the nation's history.

 No.554841

>>554833
kek, nice crossover.

 No.554842

>>554811
that's too sad to meme about in an epic manner

 No.554843


 No.554844

>>554811
Most ukrainians are just indiffrent to the invasion. Zelensky won on an pro-russian plattform, only Kiev and Lviv urbanites insist on cucking to the west.

 No.554845

>>554811
Not only will we brainwash ourselfs that each Nazi hohol deserves death, we will also cheer on Kadyrovs deathsquads killing them all!

 No.554846

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1498335037921669125

Left-liberal convergence. It's not just happening, it's necessary to survive!

 No.554847

>>554828
This sounds mightily like manufactured propaganda. I'm very sure that the majority of Marines going into Afghanistan and Iraq I'm 2001-2003 respectively, weren't going in thinking "the locals will welcome us with open arms", what they were thinking is "I'm going to take out as much of these 'camel jockeys' as I can". Any idiot naive enough to believe in propaganda of "liberation" are not soldiers and are most likely middle class nationalist civilians who join the military for "honor" or some dumb ass shit like that.

 No.554848

File: 1646077874967.jpg (339.58 KB, 1080x1442, IMG_20220228_145016.jpg)

Fucking kek, on Twitter if you post pro Russia stuff you might get a 'state affiliated' badge out of nowhere

 No.554849

>>554845
>1 year later
>Azov Battalion has revealed that they were working on a mobile suit the whole time
>they say they're going to fight "western imperialist globalism"
>internet MLs start shrieking BASED AZOV BASED AZOV BASED AZOV as they start glassing entire regions for having too many brown people

 No.554850

>>803354
Ukrainian or Russian? Don't see a Z. Does the Ukranian army have T-90s?

 No.554851

>>803354
>Haha, stupid Frogmen and Germans invading Russia in winter!
>*Invades Ukraine in late winter that is basically spring due to climate fuckery*

 No.554852

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File: 1646077913268-2.png (117.73 KB, 475x475, cope.png)

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>>554803
>I will continue to make it Ukraine thread 3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 and there's nothing you can make of it.

 No.554853

>>803354
This is good news for whichever side control the air. Which is Ukraine, I've been assured.

 No.554854

reminder that you do not have a side, you do not stand with anyone, and your opinions do not matter.

 No.554855

>>554808
We are The Free World. We are not Autocratic like Vladolf Putler, therefore we must ban news channels and music conductors and chess players who hold disapproved political opinions about unfolding news events.

 No.554856

File: 1646077979728.jpg (89.33 KB, 436x600, 1637804123626.jpg)


 No.554857

>>803354
so how many of these videos, are the russians back in like one hour

 No.554858

File: 1646077999186.png (109.9 KB, 1000x360, ClipboardImage.png)

OC

 No.554859

>>554854
It's time to stop being left and start being liberal. What is the difference? Well, you hold exactly the same positions on everything, but liberals get to be in charge.

 No.554860

i want liberals to suffer so fucking bad bros

 No.554861

>>554858
Petitoon to make this a leftypol banner

 No.554862

>>554859
>liberals
>anti-capitalism
lmao

 No.554863

>>554858
good work, posting on twitter

 No.554864

mujahediiiiiiiiiiiin

 No.554865

>>554859
if you do nothing, you are nothing. reading left-wing books and websites no more makes you "left wing" than playing on furaffinity makes you a dog.

 No.554866

>>554854
true facts

 No.554867

>>554860
>being so used to getting fucked by the long dick of The West that you think the second dick about to fuck you just as hard is actually the pragmatic choice

 No.554868

Why do we archive these threads?
I would say that they are less useful, more spammy and shitposty than the average leftypol thread even and almost certain this isn't a controversial take.
If people are interested in actually keeping the small amounts of useful new information in these threads it might be better off to write a TL;DR of each thread after they hit cap.

 No.554869

>>554862
I'm an anti-capitalist, but capitalism is everywhere, and every country in the world is just a form of capitalism. The USSR was probably the most capitalist country in the world at the time, if you think about it, and the US, during the Cold War, the more socialist side. Reminder that Cuba, China, Venezuela, Iran and Russia are all capitalist, imperialist countries.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

 No.554870

>>554860
Literally poltard mindset. Suport based Israel nuking Gaza because it makes the commies seethe.

 No.554871

File: 1646078187702.mp4 (3.53 MB, 464x848, nqcReqZZvRpL6vmS.mp4)

Look at the thing she is trying to drive in the video. It looks kinda outdated. Probably much of the stuff Russians are using now in Ukraine are the same. Don't they have more advanced military hardware at their disposal?

 No.554872

File: 1646078190329.mp4 (146.6 KB, 256x250, 1637307793728.mp4)

>>554858
can you make one like this but with putins head instead of stalin? you can keep the audio as it is

 No.554873

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTyzDxwOOqY

novara media live, lets tank this shit up please

 No.554874

>>554814
This is the only pro Hohol civillian standpoint. year long slugfest will have no winners. Kiev, Nato and the west naturally want to turn this into a trap for Russia and Russia wants to keep it short, but I don't think Russia of pussying out now so either Russia wins this relatively quickly or it turns into a slugfest with more civilian deaths and practically a Nato win.

 No.554875

>>554873
t-14s in the chat

 No.554876

>>554848
This guy works for Sputnik

Russia state media

 No.554877

File: 1646078257413.png (528.46 KB, 586x1967, 1646062119676.png)

>>803384
This is indeed a very interesting conflict, but don't trust everything

 No.554878

>>554868
it might be funny to look back on in a year

 No.554879

>>554869
>The USSR was probably the most capitalist country in the world at the time, if you think about it,
LMAO
>and the US, during the Cold War, the more socialist side. Reminder that Cuba, China, Venezuela, Iran and Russia are all capitalist, imperialist countries.
VERY GOOD BAIT

 No.554880

File: 1646078287148.png (631.41 KB, 406x1280, UkropFake.png)

A worker of Ukrainian psyops ЦИПСО was on the cover of all major Western news outlets posing as a woman whose house damned occupants have levelled

 No.554881

>>554871
No. Russian military is a massive meme. It can still win in Ukraine, but its absolutely undersupplied, undertrained and outdated. Its just that hyperonline retards (as well as the liberal fearmongering) inflated their perceived might.

 No.554882

>>554868
So they don't clutter the catalog. That's about it.

 No.554883

>>554874
>I'm an anti-capitalist, but capitalism is everywhere, and every country in the world is just a form of capitalism.

Correct, which is why supporting anybody except ordinary ukrainians is fucking dumb.

 No.554884

>>803384
>Russian/Bealrus motorized forces abandoning their tanks
video just shows random soldier marching

 No.554885

>>554881
coping litvin

 No.554886

>>554870
>Suport based Israel nuking Gaza because it makes the commies seethe.
People here are already screeching about "human shields" used by evil terrorists and support based IDF Russian Military in it's glorious operation.

 No.554887

>>803389
Exactly. This is why I have decided to cease being leftist and be a liberal, or sometimes cease being liberal and be a leftist. I am able to do both without changing a single idea in my head. I want socialized medicine, a social safety net, independent unions and the destruction of Authoritarian regimes even if that means war.

 No.554888

>>554871
vid has nothing to do with this conflict btw

 No.554889

>>554859
They are social democrats so you aren’t really insulting them which kind of makes you look even more pathetic.

 No.554890

>>803384
>>803384
>gather most of your army on the border for weeks
>wait so long that everyone thinks you're merely pretending
>invade anyways and get stuck in mud
big huge brains

 No.554891

>>554881
It warms my heart thinking about the massive cope and seethe when Ukraine, after all the money spent on weapons and propaganda in the West, still unconditionally surrenders, and with the treaty being even more unfriendly to NATO than ever

 No.554892

>>554869
Fucking glowing as fuck.

 No.554893

>>803384
Those do not look like motorized forces though, equipment wise. Also, how can you tell where they are going?

 No.554894

>>554870
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that imageboards just attract morally erratic weirdos
>inb4 marx laughed at morality
couldn't care less

 No.554895

>>554889
I'm not insulting them. I am just acknowledging that, with this war, the left-liberal convergence is complete.

 No.554896

>>554887
ukkkraine has an authoritarian regime so you're in luck

 No.554897

>>554887
Unironically based (except for the last part)

 No.554898

>>554888
Apparently it's an abandoned Russian military vehicle in Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1498332884121399307?s=20&t=x0jP1gUSMBWhp4H0INjwDg

 No.554899

>>554894
>morally erratic
what

 No.554900

File: 1646078519869-0.png (578.95 KB, 680x801, based stalin smug.png)

File: 1646078519869-1.png (200.64 KB, 1088x536, ClipboardImage.png)

you know what, i like the fact that western propaganda is shifting the image of putin and russia towards hittler and the nazis.
<PUTLER
it would be a real problem if they started using the image of true heroes like Stalin and the USSR.

 No.554901

>>554887
Honestly I'm slowly edging towards becoming a postie. Fuck everything

 No.554902

File: 1646078547057.png (292.98 KB, 472x306, 1.png)

hoi4bros what the fuck is putin thinking here?

 No.554903

>>554902
hes snaking for victory points

 No.554904

>>554849
>>Azov Battalion has revealed that they were working on a mobile suit the whole time
NAZI MECHS????

 No.554905

>>554881
Basically this. Even though liberal media propagandizes much, there is a modicum of truth in their lies and oversimplification. Russia is have trouble but it’s not nearly as bad or as defeating as the liberals make it out to be.

 No.554906

>>554902
It's like my HOI4 runs on release, wow!

 No.554907

File: 1646078608422.jpg (716.3 KB, 1416x704, FMs3zuJWQAU58J9.jpg)

https://twitter.com/ckoettl/status/1498353408855715840
The existence of this column stretching 17 miles from Kyiv seems to confirm Russia's earlier claims of air superiority over Ukraine.
Question for the doctrine weebs though, are logistic convoys usually this densely packed?

 No.554908

>>554900
I think they would have if they had found a proper pun for it
Vladseph Putlin just doesn't have the same ring to it

 No.554909

Why is there a concerted effort to deny the nationalism of Kiev is incompatible with Crimea and Donbas?

 No.554910

>>554887
Good. Let's start with the destruction of Western regimes.

 No.554911

>>554907
no, they wouldnt be going 4 in a row + without spacing, this is some DEEP BATTLE (TM) major deployment

 No.554912

File: 1646078683029.png (2.72 MB, 1788x3090, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.554913

>>554907
>Question for the doctrine weebs though, are logistic convoys usually this densely packed?
Yes when they do vehicle refueling

 No.554914

Zelensky should die for Ukraine or get imprisoned. He will have a legacy for history as a martyr

If he loses and just submits on some "peace deal" he will just be some random comedian who was president for 3 years in a European country

 No.554915

>>554900
Honestly to some extent the comparison works. Might be fake sources, but more and more I am starting to believe that this war was Putin going loose from his oligarch tardwranglers. And just like Hitler he went for a retarded gamble, but unlike Hitler who got a solid 4-5 win gamble streak before Barbarosa, Putin lost on round 1.

 No.554916

>>554907
Well Ukraine ran out of drones. So they can just drive in a big like without having to fear an attack.

 No.554917

>>554909
Because we drew those borders in the 90s and then declared the end of history so they're not allowed to change anymore.

 No.554918

https://t.me/intelslava/21047
>Zelensky is going full Dirlewanger…

 No.554919

>>554887
you're just an idiot with no theory

 No.554920

>>803384
Russia shows some huge disregard towards their vehicles. It seems like it is a strategy, and it seems like there's pretty few corpses as a result.

West wants Rambos, because they've read too much comic books, but in reality war is waged differently. Russia does very good and devastating artillery/missile strikes, while tanks and infantry seem to be on a clean-up/occupation duties. And it fucking works, with losses around 200-300 people to Ukraine's thousands.

My guess is, tank costs are lower than the training costs of tank drivers, for example. Not even talking about stuff like "lives matter bruh". Moreso, tank engines have a very short lifespan anyway.

 No.554921

>>554912
Kiddie Diddler of Kyiv

 No.554922

Coomers for NATO

 No.554923


 No.554924

>>554895
That’s a binary brain thinking based not on fact but feelings. Becoming an obfuscating /pol/tard isn’t communist in the least, rather it’s acting much more like breadtube and pol culture war crap than proper communist analysis.

 No.554925

>>554904
METAL GEAARRRR?

 No.554926

>>554914
What are some /his/ cases of guys like Zelensky? I'd imagine at least a few literally who's managed to enter the center of global political atention.

 No.554927

>>554922
Coomer of Kyiv
Already coomed to 800 Russian thots

 No.554928

File: 1646078847947.png (454.32 KB, 750x422, ClipboardImage.png)

how will this war affect the state of the Ukrainian onlyfans economy?

 No.554929

>>554902
I call it the peepee maneuver.

 No.554930

>>554920
And you have to also consider that their vehicles don't seem modern. They look somewhat old. There must be a reason why they aren't still using their more advanced equipment yet.

 No.554931

>>554922
fuck i was already asking a question
>>554928

 No.554932

>>803449
>They sure as shit are not out on a patrol or setting up an LP/OP
They could be doing shit behind their own lines.

 No.554933

>>554922
gonna whack it to a russian bird tonight in solidarity

 No.554934

File: 1646078932943-0.png (623.07 KB, 644x548, 2.png)

File: 1646078932943-1.png (1.49 MB, 1119x781, 3.png)

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PUTINSISTERS WHAT THE FUCK IS HE DOING

 No.554935

>>554934
HES LITERALLY SNAKING FOR VICTORY POINTS

 No.554936

>>554922
>mia khalifa stands with ukraine
>8 months ago was suggesting we should deport all the jews to delaware
what is her ideology?

 No.554937

>>554922
>>554928
I hope Russia blocks and bans OnlyFans

 No.554938

>>554934
*generic HOI joke*

 No.554939

>>554934
>>554935
when you have air superiority and the enemy is pinned, logistical lines can move far more freely

 No.554940

>>554887
sounds like you were a liberal all along fren

 No.554941

>>554934
maybe if you win air superiority (a term i've never heard until three days ago) you can just go straight to each city?

 No.554942

DAE HOI4 LOLOLOL

 No.554943

File: 1646079066040.jpg (297.05 KB, 1080x1516, IMG_20220228_211044.jpg)

>>554918
>Wow that's literally the suicide squad, go ukraine!

 No.554944

File: 1646079067138.jpg (339.37 KB, 1080x1625, IMG_20220228_195649.jpg)

It's over for Cuckraine

 No.554945

>>554936
celeb grifting and opportunism?

 No.554946

>>554935
okay but what if his divisions get encircled and cut off from supply lines?

 No.554947

>>554928
They will be brought to our progressive Europe as sex slaves, which has been going on since the fall of soviet union. This is the "catching up" transition to capitalism that the West forced upon them.

 No.554948

Why don’t people understand that city encirclement sometimes could take weeks or months, sometimes years even to be completed? It all depends on the size of the city and how long it’s able to hold out resource wise. Has no one here even studied Mao?

 No.554949

Daily reminder that during the invasion 47% of American zoomers thought that Russia's invasion of Ukraine was justified. Just to let you have some food for thought. And how glowies in 8chan tried to steer 8/pol/ in an anti-Russian direction constantly.
I don't even really care much for neo-russia but come on guys. You don't have to pull your punches to appeal to normies. Just call out the Azov Battalian and most of them will get real mum real quick. You don't have to "Own" The tankies. The tankies aren't even fucking evil. Jesus christ.

 No.554950

File: 1646079137512.mp4 (1.51 MB, 480x480, 1645724844458(1).mp4)

>>554934
IT'S REAL

 No.554951

>>554923

That was interesting, I wonder how much is planned and how much is just organic redditors being redditors

 No.554952

>>554948
You think these virgins would at least realize that from Paradox games

 No.554953

>>554948
>inb4 Kyiv does a Leningrad and hold on for 3years
lol like that's possible

 No.554954

File: 1646079193955-0.jpg (88.6 KB, 1125x936, 16460735507180.jpg)

File: 1646079193955-1.jpg (76.09 KB, 1125x925, 16460735507181.jpg)

File: 1646079193955-2.jpg (62.7 KB, 1125x919, 16460735507192.jpg)

Iskander supposedly evaporated Ukrop Army Group North Command HQ, Communications HQ, ammo supplies in Chernigov

 No.554955

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>>554936
>what is her ideology?
Islamo-Nazism with Riefenstahl characteristics.

 No.554956

Why does all the Ukraine support from America feel so manufactured. Hell, it feels like the US has been hoping an invasion would happen so quite some time. Like, it all manages to feel so "corporate sponsored". Muh Onlyfans, SNL, and various other meme shit. Is there a financial endgame to this? Is this a money war in disguise?

 No.554957


 No.554958

>>554944
>NOOOOOO RAND PAUL INSTITUTE IS RUSSIAN AGENT SABOTEUR

 No.554959

>>554950
Omg lmao

 No.554960

File: 1646079350718.png (127.86 KB, 918x435, ClipboardImage.png)

welp, on the good side he got his lifetime supply of Reddit awards

 No.554961

>>554956
That's because it is. Check out >>554949 my post. Not even half of the zoomers in the US give a shit either. From presonal experience it seems like the US right is pro-Ukraine more than anything. Just check how pro-ukraine stupidpol and redscare and /pol/ turned into.

 No.554962

>>554956
>Is this a money war in disguise?
It has always been that Anon.
>Why does all the Ukraine support from America feel so manufactured.
Because it is, they literally have people who make stuff like that in a day who get paid well.
>It feels like the US has been hoping an invasion would happen so quite some time.
The U.S had been making anti-Russian propaganda on the internet for over 2 decades now, it's nothing new.

 No.554963

>>554943
Predictive programming.

 No.554964

File: 1646079414772.jpg (93.49 KB, 852x960, 1642905739959 (1).jpg)

>>554956
The Western propaganda machine is well-oiled and running on all cylinders right now. The effective brainwashing of the entire world is a dystopian marvel to behold.

 No.554965

You just KNOW

Macrons old wife getting CUCKED

 No.554966

>>554956
Because it is. burgers live through consumerism and would probably kill themselves otherwise.

 No.554967

>>554956
well they've been trying to manufacture a war between ukraine-russia for 8 years (though with a 4 year hiccup in the middle where they had to deal with a retard), so they certainly had time to prepare the narratives and a media strategy for it.

 No.554968

>>554964
CHECK OUT MY FUCKING POST TO SEE HOW IT IS NOT THAT GOOD

 No.554969

How is nationalist rule over Crimea and Donbas a 'democratic' issue?

 No.554970

>>554949
In my country MSM propaganda is getting hysterical of course. Yet on the websites of these media the comments are split between 50-50. The other half is not necessarily pro-Russian, just criticizing NATO, EU, etc. This is not representative of the general public opinion, but still, at least not everyone is going totally insane.

 No.554971


 No.554972

>>554961
>Not even half of the zoomers in the US give a shit either
are u sure? most western tiktok zoomers are using the ukro flag, specially burgers

 No.554973

>>554971
Boomerbros…..

 No.554974

>>803512
keeno in keev

 No.554975

>>554970
I want to read these please. Linkies?

 No.554976

US officials in the media are hammering over and over again "internal political opposition, resistance after occupation," I've heard somebody say that every day. Ukrainian Taliban is coming

 No.554977

>>554960
It's all a fucking performance to feel good about themselves in a situation where they can realistically do nothing but whine. A Reddit awards and upvotes momentarily push away the existential dread produced by their lack of agency in their life and in the world that is quickly disintegrating in front of their eyes.

 No.554978

>>554969
They are good Russian nationalists, not these evil Ukrainian nationalists allowing g*ys to organize their vile pride rallies.

 No.554979

>>554970
here in the shithole, 3rd world
we don't even know where ukraine is, and the media only translate the american newspapers, so there is no contrary position.
Although I saw the case, that with the new of the tank that crushed a car, they mentioned that there was another version circulating saying that the tank was Ukrainian

 No.554980

>>554969
Because ukraine, a country that has pride parades, lgbt rights, and doesnt follow white supremacist ideology, is in a war against neo-confederates who idolize slavery and fight for russia, a communist fascist state.

 No.554981

File: 1646079710614-0.mp4 (526.56 KB, 752x848, 16460786946161.mp4)

File: 1646079710614-1.mp4 (706.13 KB, 752x848, 16460786946080.mp4)

Or maybe it's all actually Ukrainian fakes. I mean, what the fuck

 No.554982

>>554980
Thanks Mr. Democrat

 No.554983

>>554972
they are loud and will downboat you for being contrary to their beliefs as well as the fact that there is massive amounts of astroturfing going on. Peer pressure also exists.

 No.554984

>>554953
What I believe the idea is that if Kiev holds out for long enough that the Russian forces will exhaust itself and be at a stalemate where they won’t be able to enter the city with the forces and supplies they have. Of course this depends on the reinforcements the city has which as of right now it’s just flooding the entire country with high grade weaponry and apparently ‘merc volunteers’. But even that I don’t think is enough to exhaust Russian forces into a stalemate, this would require much larger forces preparing to move on Russia to reinforce the city but Ukraine is alone and NATO troops are only stationed on the western border and that’s it, they will never cross into the country to engage whatsoever.

 No.554985

>>554976
Russia stated from the beginning of the operation it's objective was no occupation.

 No.554986

>>554980
It's based on the Russian naval flag not the Confederate one lmao

 No.554987

>>554980
this post seems like mal- mis- or dis-information. it should probably be censored from the internet by the authorities.

 No.554988

>Poland has announced that no visa will be required for Indian nationals crossing into the Poland from Ukraine. 🇮🇳 🇵🇱

>Thank you so much @PolandMFA, @Adam_Burakowski for your generous support & help to Indians during Russia-Ukraine war.


Poland bros i don't know about this idea…

https://twitter.com/AskAnshul/status/1498385680614920193?s=20&t=gBgMiayzZlGJ3M9whTvDgw

 No.554989

>>554797
Where can I get the Chinese and Indian military watchers' perspectives on this conflict?

 No.554990


 No.554991

Seems Zelensky is demanding immediate entrance of Ukraine to the EU
To the extent that I could be said to be supporting Putin one could say I support Zelensky they're both playing the best they can in this situation with the hands the odious literal Nazis controlling Ukraine and the disgusting bourgeois dictatorships of the imperialist west have dealt them

 No.554992

File: 1646079913457.jpg (40.84 KB, 680x365, 1646079462651.jpg)

russiabros…

 No.554993

>>554988
good morning sirs

 No.554994

>>554985
Who cares? Russia may not occupy, may have to police it, may have to keep troops there, it's all dependendent on the events that follow. There's no point in talking about Russia's particular objectives, but general goal is to make Ukraine friendly to Russia.

 No.554995

ukraine's ambassador just told putin to kill himself

 No.554996

>>554995
*ambassador to the UN

 No.554997

>>554991
It's a ballsy call but he'll never get another chance like this, "if you want us to die to bleed Russia, let us in as full members, no more one-sided trade agreements that only help EU businesses"

 No.554998

>>554992
If I take Kiev, will you die?

It would be extremely painful.

You're a Z guy.

For you.

 No.554999

>>554992
lmao, is this real o pol bait?
>>803544
lgbt for macron

 No.555000

>>554995
LMAO Based

 No.555001


 No.555002

>>554981
This is precisely why I don't trust a single goddamn number coming out about Russian or Ukrainian losses. There's so much disinfo I don't think we'll ever get the full story regardless of who wins.

 No.555003

>>554994
>to make Ukraine friendly to Russia.
I doubt that this is how you make people friendly to you…

 No.555004

>>554971
>urban based
>rural cringe
was mao wrong????

 No.555005

>>554995
Обоснованный

 No.555006

>>554992
Dr Pavel, I'm Azov

 No.555007

>>554811
I care about the ukrainians that are in shelters waiting for this to end.

To the ukrainians that follow Zelensky orders of attacking MBT's with molotovs, I hope they get the bullet.

 No.555008

File: 1646080085685.jpg (240.87 KB, 1080x1019, afb.jpg)

>beg EU for instant entrance in the middle of peace talks

Is this 5D backgammon?

 No.555009

>>554995
Now that would be a Vladolf Putler moment I'd like

 No.555010

File: 1646080136665.png (50.44 KB, 194x259, ClipboardImage.png)

>>554992
Dr Pavel im CIA

 No.555011

>>555008
shit joke

 No.555012

>>554995
everyone's a shitposter

 No.555013

File: 1646080175226.jpg (94.22 KB, 1080x995, n54y05cewlk81.jpg)

le epic troll has arrived

 No.555014

Here to officially apologize with anons.
At the beginning of all this I did not realize how big the threat facing us it was.
This is getting more and more big than just Ukraine everyday: there are people PUBLICLY stating that Russia shall be broken down and brought back to Yeltsin era, and the aggression by EU and NATO grows by the hour.

While nuance is important in a sense (ESPECIALLY for comrades in Russia), now its not the time for it from us.
It's ALL HANDS ON DECK: If Russia loses, History is over for 30 other years; If Russia wins, everything restarts.
It's THAT important.

 No.555015

>>554995
He's going to get so much reddit karma, still russia will take over his country but, at least he got dat karma and awards

 No.555016

>>554995 (Cheka'd)
Putin respsonds with a "no u"

>>554992
now is not the time for sabotage

 No.555017

>>555013
>via @[generic name + random numbers]
certified glow moment

 No.555018

>>555012
Yeah, in general all these public figures became shitposters in real life once they started using Twitter.

 No.555019

>>554976
Zelensky won a landslide on a pro-russian plattform and most ukrainians are just indiffrent to the invasion, as you can see in every video of russian soldiers interacting with locals and livestreams of street life. So unless you believe that the city-dwellers in Lviv and Kiev are gorilla fighters, there will be no insurgency.

 No.555020



>>554981
>Обоснованный
Смерть yкраине, cмерть нацистам.!

>>554981
>who would thought that the people that faked video simulations would fake z across Russian-USSR era equipment.

 No.555021

>>555014
>This is getting more and more big than just Ukraine everyday: there are people PUBLICLY stating that Russia shall be broken down and brought back to Yeltsin era, and the aggression by EU and NATO grows by the hour.
Someone post that vid of those Azov guys talking about how NATO was arming them so they could do exactly that to Russia.

 No.555022

>>555001
never thought i'd look at this video in a different way other than a funny what if, but here we are.

 No.555023

>>555020
>Смерть yкраине, cмерть нацистам.!
Ты слишком суицидальный

 No.555024

>>555013
I hope Twitter becomes a nuclear target.

 No.555025

>>554988
Is Poland finally less racist?

 No.555026

>>803556
all of this will harm Europe's economy, causing the continent to eventually collapse

 No.555027

>>555021
>>555014
https://twitter.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1498392515262746630?s=20&t=JORZK5NfQnlIyBE1fFLL2g
It took them 5 days to get Starlink for Ukraine. Germany was hesitant to agree on sanctions, now it increased military spending and EU is sending jets to Ukraine. I don't like it, bros. I think there might be something big brewing.

 No.555028

>>555019
what happened to him

 No.555029

>>554992
Russkiebros we got too cocky….
>>554999
>lmao, is this real o pol bait?
Do you think we live in Hollywood that we can hijack planes mid air, sir?

 No.555030

>>555026
Good. We deserve it. For doing what we did to the peoples of the world. And for failing to implement the communist revolution in the 20th century.

 No.555031

>>554988
Good. With this they will finally own the Russians.

 No.555032


>>554956
Atlantic council have been mobilizing for this for years

 No.555033

>>555030
>a unified imperial "we"
>existing in the first place

 No.555034

File: 1646080435750.png (606.52 KB, 640x713, ClipboardImage.png)

Ukraine, I'm FSB

 No.555035

>>555034
Zelensky, I'm KGB.

 No.555036

File: 1646080452032.png (29.19 KB, 615x366, 1645818204005.png)

>>554986
Sorry sweety, im not buying it. Just look at russia's human rights record.
>gassed people in syria under bashar al-assad
>genocided black africans in libya under qaddafi, who outright stated that libya didnt want to allow migrants into europe
>supports xi jingping, who banned winnie the pooh and is currently genociding wigger muslims in east turkestan
>supports evo morales, who killed the first female president of bolivia to keep his native supremacist communist party in power
>supports cuba and north korea who are both rogue states which threaten nuclear war constantly
>supports donald drumpf, a white supremacist who incited the january 6th coup against the democratically elected government of joe biden
Knowing this, is it SO HARD to believe that russia would back literal neoconfederates like novorossiya and russell bentley, a white supremacist communist from texas? Their end goal is pretty clear: they want to force ukrainians to pick cotton in russian gulags. FUCK OFF, RUSSIAN WAR SHILL!

 No.555037

>>555030

white guilt moment

 No.555038

File: 1646080461106.png (167.5 KB, 680x447, ClipboardImage.png)

>>803384

 No.555039

>>555030
Nah, all you have to do is protest against NATO/America.

 No.555040

>NEW: Norway says it plans to send 2,000 M72 anti-tank weapons to Ukraine, joining Finland and Sweden in sending lethal weapons

-politico

https://twitter.com/paulmcleary/status/1498366394517360646?s=20&t=jJpO5fMSH0XrBqeVOPI5Kw

 No.555041

>>555033
Yes we, even we in ex-yu for example, deserve it. We have been living of the plundering of the peoples of the world. That is why we were able ti industrialize and to establish a non-hellish society for a couple of deacades.

 No.555042

>>555027
Do you really think that Germany can afford to have a high military spending for years after year? What about the rest of NATO? Most of Europe is bankrupt and can barley fund their social services, and they want to double their military budget. What a joke.

 No.555043

File: 1646080507981.png (306.28 KB, 827x465, ClipboardImage.png)

>>555035
Well congratulations, you got yourself sanctioned! Now what's the next step of your master plan?

 No.555044

>>555039
I did. My fellow fountrymen voted 70 % in favor of joining nato in 2004

 No.555045

>>555040
what are the chances that these weapons get stole by crime syndicates?

 No.555046

>>555043
Bombing this city. WITH NO SURVIVORS.

 No.555047

>>555021
i hope they don't reach some ceasefire before the muslims get to wipe out those azov guys

 No.555048

>>555030
Fuck you, my country was never part of your wars, you invaded us multiple times and surplus-exploit us now within EU. Not whole of Europe deserves it.

 No.555049

>>554981
inb4 a video with a Comic Sans letter Z

>>554956
>Why does all the Ukraine support from America feel so manufactured.
Because it is. It's a cargo-cult ramp-up to war, like Porky just hit the emergency button for immediate propaganda with zero falsefieid organicity. People's reactions to it as suitably performative for the same reason. It's simulacra all the way down.

 No.555050

>>554992
>He works for the ghost, a masketta man

>ghost..ghost of Kiev?

 No.555051

>>555047
Azov are retarded enough to defy a ceasefire, so don't worry about that part

 No.555052

File: 1646080615149.jpeg (164.39 KB, 960x1280, FMtcDMwWUAAg96F.jpeg)

PUTIN BROS WTF!!! SPACE MAN NOT WITH US….

https://twitter.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1498392515262746630?s=20&t=jJpO5fMSH0XrBqeVOPI5Kw

>Starlink — here. Thanks, @elonmusk


-Vice Prime Minister of Ukraine and Minister of Digital Transformation of Ukraine

 No.555053

>>555048
I am ex yu and being exploited by the old EU members as well.

 No.555054

>>555038
No more HQs? >>554954

 No.555055

File: 1646080657428.mp4 (8.08 MB, 1280x720, bane_al_qassam.mp4)


 No.555056

>>555044
Well but don't be self-flagellating. As long as you don't think like those people, it's more than enough.

 No.555057

>>555041
Really, so you all personally voted on it? Did you get called to a meeting? A town hall?

Of fucking course you didn't, some porky scumbags did this shit in your name without ever asking, just like everyone else

 No.555058

>>555051
>Azov are retarded enough to defy a ceasefire
I remember when Ukrainian military removed Azov from one settlement while trying to implement Minsk properly and they just assembled there week later. Top-tier retards.

 No.555059

File: 1646080732030.png (253.15 KB, 600x600, ClipboardImage.png)

no one cared who i was until i pit on the mask

if I pull that off will you die?

it would be extremely painful

 No.555060

>>555053
Then you have nothing to feel sad about. You were victims like the rest of the world. The only people to blame here are anglos, especially americans.

 No.555061

>>555053
Same. I'm afraid they will export their economic sacrifice to us.

 No.555062

File: 1646080813197.png (672.08 KB, 890x791, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.555063

>>555060
anglos make up like 10% of americans though

 No.555064

File: 1646080816121.jpeg (209.7 KB, 1284x1888, FMtdaLfXIAUeqyR.jpeg)

No more hockey putinoid

>The NHL is suspending relationships with business partners in Russia and pausing their Russian language social and digital media sites in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.


https://twitter.com/dalter/status/1498394009059930117?s=20&t=jJpO5fMSH0XrBqeVOPI5Kw

 No.555065

>>555046
If I took that SWIFT away from you, would you die?

 No.555066

>>555004
Urban generally equals black/Hispanic here. Who I think are less likely to go along with imperialist warmongering (maybe not against china but who knows)

 No.555067

File: 1646080851122-0.png (574.22 KB, 3000x2210, ukraine map.png)

File: 1646080851122-1.gif (3.16 MB, 1200x902, chinamap.gif)


 No.555068

Is there a way to filter posters by flag?

 No.555069

>>555065
It would be extremely painful.

 No.555070

File: 1646080882452.jpg (202.66 KB, 1024x1280, IMG_20220228_213836_025.jpg)

>Putin good anti-imperialist!
<Apparently 6386 anti-war protesters arrested so far

 No.555071

>>555062
kek, based pistoletov

 No.555072

>>555060
>implying our governments asked our permission to brainwash us while treating the rest of the world like shit

 No.555073

>>555063
well, especially americans *(who are not predominatly anglos)
Better?

 No.555074

>>555070
Imperialism is when war

 No.555075

>>555070
arrested and then let go immediately

 No.555076

>>803281
>57.57 MB
bruh

patrician taste tho, I love how they managed to emulate the old cop show feel using literally nothing but a few simple props from a costume shop and good camera work, like they didn't even use studios or anything they just shot in the middle of the street

 No.555077

>>554981
Found a comment on how to identify these fakes
READ WITH CARE:
Как куются "перемоги". Полезно к прочтению и ознакомлению.

>На видео наглядная демонстрация того, как с помощью нехитрых способов можно превратить свою технику 🇺🇦 в технику своего оппонента 🇷🇺. Так что, буковка "Z" на технике еще не говорит о том, что техника ВС РФ- необходимо смотреть на детали. Например, здесь есть 2 явных признака фальсификации:

>- Модификация КРАЗа, применяемого в основном ВСУ.
>- Номера (ГРЗ), которые имеют явный формат, применяемый для военных транспортных средств ВСУ.

>How "victories" are forged. Good to read and understand.


The video is a clear demonstration of how, using simple methods, you can turn your technique 🇺🇦 into your opponent's technique 🇷🇺. So, the letter "Z" on the equipment does not yet mean that the equipment of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - you need to look at the details. For example, there are 2 clear signs of falsification here:
- Modification of KRAZ, used mainly by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
- Numbers (GRZ), which have an explicit format used for military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

 No.555078

>>555069
you're a big economy

 No.555079

>>555070
These are traitors on payroll from the CIA

 No.555080

>>555070
>protesters always good, if you against protests you are not real communist

 No.555081

>>555069
Is this the birth of our own libtard-inspired memes about Russia = Bane?

 No.555082

>>555070
Good.
Liberals need maximum possible amount of state terror inflicted to them.

 No.555083

It's amazing how the Washington Post wants to peddle the narrative of "OMG TRUMP WAS LITERALLY AMERICAN PUTIN!"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/28/trumps-effort-rewrite-history-his-support-nato-ukraine/

One thing is certain, this dystopic liberal worldview has to end, and if Putin is the one who will destroy it, he has my blessing.

 No.555084

>>555064
>screwing over Russophone Ukrainian hockey fans to own the Russians
or at least I'd make that argument if Ukrainians played hockey

 No.555085

>>555081
correct, Don't worry, no wars for them. They work for the Zelenskenaryy, the NATO-backed man.

 No.555086

>>554869
>cuba is doing medical imperialism sending their doctors all over the world !
ban worthy take

 No.555087

>>555059
doctor zelenskyi I'm ex-KGB

 No.555088

>>555082
Why are you so bloodthirsty when Russians are expressing solidarity with their Ukrainian comrades?

 No.555089

>>555070
>majority are from St. Petersburg and Moscow
the PMC need to be culled

 No.555090

>>555083
>getting to choose between liberalism and dugin-tier schizo reaction

yeah no thanks

 No.555091

>>555057
We had a referendum.

 No.555092

>>555070
Libs and trots deserve it, tbh

 No.555093

>>555083
THIS

I want nothing but complete defeat of liberals in this.
Its TOO important.
We need revenge on them.
We can't lose other 30 years.

 No.555094

>>555070
BLM are a bunch of liberals so that had it coming in 2020.

 No.555095

>As the world continues to monitor Russia’s continued aggression against Ukraine, I am directing department directors to conduct a complete review of all Miami-Dade County contracts within their purview to confirm that none are connected to Russian business interests of any sort

>In this defining moment, we must always defend democracy and the rights of people to live in peace. Our County must not, in good conscience, continue any business relationship that could directly or indirectly bankroll violence and war against Ukraine.


Mayor of Miami, Dade, she's a Jewish Democrat btw

States are going to start doing this cutting all business with Russia

https://twitter.com/MayorDaniella/status/1498387529988558849?s=20&t=jJpO5fMSH0XrBqeVOPI5Kw

 No.555096

>>803657
I've had a couple of pics with lots confiscated NLAWs, RPGs and such. Today at least 110 Ukrops surrendered to DPR/LPR, and who knows how many to Russian troops proper.

 No.555097

>>555070
Trots deserve prison tbh

 No.555098

>>555086
Yeah, like, maybe China, Iran and Russia can be thought as somewhat imperialists, but Cuba and Venezuela? The fuck is he smoking?

 No.555099

>>555080
anti-war protests always good, what part of "no war but the class war" don't you understand?

 No.555100

>>555070
these protests only exists because it's putin doing, if the us where doing this, there would not be tears because it would not be in the news.

 No.555101

>>555049
>Because it is. It's a cargo-cult ramp-up to war, like Porky just hit the emergency button for immediate propaganda with zero falsefieid organicity. People's reactions to it as suitably performative for the same reason. It's simulacra all the way down.
Crazy shit. Merely pointing out the insanity of the propaganda makes you a Putin lover too. Very scary. Porky evidently can manufacture consent for whatever it wants. We are nothing more than playthings.

 No.555102

>>555088
Because a Russian defeat means we're back to full multipolarity, Bush-tier.
It means we lose 30 other years.
We cannot accept that.

 No.555103

>>555099
Anti-NATO war is in interests of the workers.

 No.555104

>>555093
we need to blockade military factories in NATO

 No.555105

>>555093
>making a devil's bargain with equally delusional cultural reactionaries

surely this will not backfire at all

 No.555106

>>555099
Hello glowie.

 No.555107

File: 1646081166776.jpg (145.79 KB, 890x580, go back reddit.jpg)

>>555070
do you want a support radlibs and trots?

 No.555108


 No.555109

>>555106
>>555107
>Ukraine has caused MLs to go full rabid schizo

Anarkiddies and trots are looking pretty good now

 No.555110

Nukes by Wednesday if dubs

 No.555111

>>555105
Then it's over for the world, cuz there aren't any good alternatives present.

 No.555112

>>555102
Who are these "you" are you talking about? I just don't want Ukrainians to be denazified to pieces and Russians dying in a pointless war.

 No.555113

>>555105
Whats the alternative, neoliberalism forever?

 No.555114

>>555105
Its not a bargain.
There's no end to be upheld.
Just Us unilateral domination over the world to crush.

Also there's nothing it could backfire over: the socialist movement has close to ZERO power anywhere in the world.
We got nothing to lose from multipolarity.

 No.555115

>>555095
That's a secret code for: Attack any russian small businesses and people.

Liberalism already showing its true colors.

 No.555116

>>555087
The war plan I just filed with the Duma lists Donbas, Crimea, Transnistria here, but only one of you! The first one to talk gets to stay on my puppet government!

 No.555117

File: 1646081253696.jpeg (17.35 KB, 331x329, images.jpeg)

putler this is your last warninf…… leave. ukraine. alone. NOW. or the reddit army will be forced to invade…. we dont forget we dont forgive. YOUVE BEEN WARNED…

 No.555118

>>555110
>>555108
You stole my dubs bastard GIVE THEM BACK!

 No.555119

>>555112
this war is about ending the end of history

 No.555120

>>555113
torch and desert the fucking system is what

 No.555121

>>555099
What part of "Where is the proletariat for itself?" do you not understand?

 No.555122


 No.555123

>>555099
i'm not for russia but against NATO which does much more harm to communists especially in the global south. It's that simple.

 No.555124

>>555107
This. I unirionically would rather have 50 years of Trump than 4 years of Bernie Sanders socdem liberal reformist crap. Someone like Sanders would destroy revolutionary potential whereas someone like Trump can accelerate the conditions to revolution.

 No.555125

>>555120
>torch and desert the fucking system is what
so what Russia is doing

 No.555126

>>555083
also based retard's glorious return in 2024

>>555043
wow I didn't know zelensky has a bust of Obama

>>555042
Oh my sweet and innocent anon. Budget is only a concern when it's for something which improves the lives of people. For everything else, there are a gorillion ways to raise funds. Printing money, credit lines, selling titles and sho on and sho on. Funding is literally never a problem, it's the destination of the funding which might be.

 No.555127

I wonder what comes next, the west ir cornering russia financially ..

 No.555128

File: 1646081347804.jpg (116.03 KB, 1049x675, IMG_20220228_214832.jpg)

Based

 No.555129

>>555120
Good luck doing it if we're back in 1991.

 No.555130

>>555123
THIS
FUCK NATO SHILLS.

 No.555131

>>555070
What's up with redfish? They post this but have the "Russia state-affiliated media" warning on twitter

 No.555132

>>555120
This is literally what Putin is doing, the current system is western liberalism, he's destroying it and I support him for that.

 No.555133

File: 1646081375363.mp4 (Spoiler Image, 22.47 MB, 640x360, 315381658.mp4)

THREAD THEME

 No.555134

>>555114
>people who are just as harsh on anti-capitalist dissent if not worse will be an improvement

at best, the scenario you're outlining is a zero-sum game. And that's the biggest fucking problem I have with the position MLs in this thread are taking: you are all jerking yourselves off silly over a fucking zero sum game

 No.555135

>>555128
Haz is right for once

 No.555136

>>555126
>Printing money, credit lines, selling titles and sho on and sho on.
money is only an abstraction that represents a medium of exchange, if the amount of Euros in circulation baloons then their will be hyperinflation

 No.555137

>>555126
no one cared who i was until i put an Obama bust on the table

 No.555138

>>555123
Being “not for Russia” is basically being a stooge for NATO.

 No.555139

>>803716
Is this your fumo?

 No.555140

>>803716
Here's to a return to pre-1654 borders lmao

 No.555141

You guys got to remember how much user posting has increased since war began, it is inevitable and a certainty that there is several /Pol/ users here posting trying to obscure their language To fit in

 No.555142

>>555132
> the current system is western liberalism, he's destroying it and I support him for that.

>replacing hyper-individualistic neoliberal capitalism with vicious reactionary state capitalism is an improvement and not a lateral move


are you fucking daft

 No.555143

>>555119
This war is a war of aggression and conquest, some people want peace, not epic happenings to go into history books.

 No.555144

>>555133
Fucking kekekek

 No.555145

>>555134
<zero sum game
Imperialism nature FORCES the various blocs to FIGHT among them.
This provides OPENINGS for us, and historically has always been this way.
If we are back to 1991 we can simply forget getting power anywhere significant for other 30 years.

 No.555146

>>555129
>all of the contradictions in the world systems will vanish if russia loses

 No.555147

>>555105
We must be ready to risk the present to be able to win the future. That is what it means to be a revolutionary.

Another few decades of neoliberalism and US hegemony is not the future that anybody wants.

 No.555148


 No.555149

>>555143
Just like all the wars waged by NATO and the West in general.

 No.555150

>>555083
Let's be honest. If Trump makes a public statement, he's going to condem Putin.

 No.555151

>>803729
post picture :D

 No.555152

>>555146
So you want us to cheer for nato? I get the argument about not caring but why should we dickride liberals so hard? Just tell them that Ukraine has a nazi problem, post proof and they will suddenly stop caring. They are all in it cuz of muh poor ukraine but if Ukraine is looking naughty they don't care. It's that fucking simple.

 No.555153

>>555142
At this point replacing neoliberalism with state capitalism would be an improvement yes, we can work from there towards socialism.

Besides Putin has 0 interests on what happens outside the former USSR republics, he wouldn't mind socialist countries as long as they don't mess with his borders.

 No.555154

>>555146
<China cucked and isolated
<Other socialist movements weak AF and practically budding around the world

No, they want vanish.
Simply the openings for us will.
We'll live in another round of Fukuyamaism.

 No.555155

>>555142
>replacing hyper-individualistic neoliberal capitalism with vicious reactionary state capitalism is an improvement and not a lateral move
You really think Russia has the capacity to replace the global imperialist system? The only think g he is doing is creating a pathway for allowing the global south to de-link from the imperialist system and offer an alternative (China) which will allow local socio-economic development, which will destroy Western imperialism

 No.555156

File: 1646081608502.jpg (446.74 KB, 724x1023, 1627941237263.jpg)

How is the actual situation of ukeaine's forces? The release of prisoners indicates massive desperation.

 No.555157

>>555150
Trump did not do anything about Navalny thing not condemn Putin

Go look back at his comments about it

 No.555158

>>555142
>>replacing hyper-individualistic neoliberal capitalism with vicious reactionary state capitalism is an improvement and not a lateral move
I’m not a fascist but I prefer the latter to the former.

 No.555159

>>555154
*Won't not want sorry

 No.555160

File: 1646081626086.jpg (69.59 KB, 640x480, ukraine.jpg)

my wallpaper 9 months ago for no reason

 No.555161

>>555149
And so what? Ukrainian schools being denazified doesn't help to prevent NATO aggression, at this moment it only has consolidated the block.

 No.555162

Being a leftist means living on a different plane as everyone, but this conflict….
I've never felt so gaslit. So strongly like I'm living in a simulation. Amazing how quickly libs chugged the propaganda.

Although, some friends have started to come around and question the narrative….. maybe there's still hope.

 No.555163

>>555146
If Russia wins this war against the Nato block, it will be a step forward for the international proletariat, a major step btw

 No.555164

>>555152
>another ML who thinks that not cheering for russia means cheering for NATO

For people who sperg out about dialectics and contradiction and nuance and whatnot you all seem very incapable of grasping that more than one global threat to the left can exist

 No.555165

>>555152
I want us to mobilize antiwar sentiment on both sides of the conflict in the hopes of ending it faster, through the overthrow of one or both governments if necessary

 No.555166

>>554811
>Does anybody […] give a shit about ordinary Ukrainians
Yeah: Russian soldiers and the Russian high command. See: difference b/w Russian's capturing Ukro soldiers & their treatment vs. Ukranians.

 No.555167

>>555161
More power to NATO = NATO has more power.
Does that make more sense to you?

 No.555168

Can Putin just get this over with like damn! I get they want to save civilians and all but he's already painted as LITERALLY HITLER. people have made their side they won't get ANY credit from the "international" community for this. Time to finish it before untold billions of dollars make this a multi-month quagmire for Russia.

 No.555169

>>555158
>being willing to throw groups of people under the bus because you think one form of oppression might give you more leeway than other

christ almighty

 No.555170

Is western media messing with your head also?
I know most of what I read is fake and engineered to make me feel something but still… it kinda works, sometimes I feel like I need to side with NATO or that russia is losing

 No.555171

>>554811
>Does anybody in this thread actually give a shit about ordinary Ukrainians
Sometimes members of a class have to take setbacks and make sacrifices, in order for the class to advance as a whole
-Bukharin

 No.555172

File: 1646081766374.jpg (247.73 KB, 767x952, LDK.jpg)

>>555140
Our day will come. Lithuania will once again stretch sea to shining sea!
Germans: hung
Muscovites: seething in the cold
Mongols: need not apply

 No.555173

>>555156
A lot of those prisoners are neo-nazis that went the mile further, maybe killing some lgtb guy or something like that.
They will be used for controlling the population, can't prove me wrong.
Also you're horny.

 No.555174

>>555156
60 thousands or more tied in the East, with Russia encircling them all. Total air superiority of Russia makes any open movement incredibly dangerous. So, western parts of Ukraine are virtually defenseless, there's only militias raised via giving them weapons, plus whatever units got cut off by Russian airforces and got stuck in those regions. Basically, whole Ukraine army is a series of dots disconnected from each other.

 No.555175

>>554934
<How to easily get your troops cut off from eachother by a single ambush per snake column
This looks mental.
Maybe Ukrop soldiers truly are surrendering en masse, which makes Russia so confident to do something this reckless.

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 No.555177

>>555156
I want fuck you sex sex sex

 No.555178

>>555169
isnt that the dialectical process of history though? From Feudalism to Capitalism you would prefer Capitalism no?

 No.555179

>>555156
No reliable evidence. Russia seems to advance, while Ukraine doesn't show signs of surrendering.

 No.555180

>>803756
Based biological warfare

 No.555181

>>555164
>For people who sperg out about dialectics and contradiction and nuance and whatnot you all seem very incapable of grasping that more than one global threat to the left can exist
Those struggles are a thing of the past as we’ve seen in the past couple of years. All we have is this geographic struggle between West and East. If the East succeeds maybe something positive will arise but the old struggles of ideology are dead.

 No.555182

>>555164
Russia's soft power is considerably weaker than the US. Let's be real.
>>555165
If Russia falls that would just equal 1991 again. More liberalizatoin and not even the hope of Dengism with Russian characteristics. Putin's approval rating is sky high in Russia now anyways, so what is even the point now?

 No.555183

>>555168
Oh this is definitely going to go on for years. Get ready for Ukrainian Taliban next door neighbors edition.

 No.555184

>>555168
Putin doesn't care about what libshits and cuckservatives on twitter thing, he wants to reunite Great Russia. The only people there that take the western narritive serious are the would-be-westcucks in Lviv and Kiev.

 No.555185

>>555150
>>555157
Let's remember that Trump was adamant about attacking Iran (anyone remember Solemiani), despite not caring (apparently) about the Ukraine/Russia conflict. Every US president will always be a warmonger. Always.

 No.555186

>>803756
Depending on what's packed in there, it could still be very edible.

 No.555187

>>555178
>cultural reaction coupled with a backslide towards an earlier stage of capitalism is an advance

even by your own teleological logic this doesn't make any goddamn sense

 No.555188

>>555182
1991 for United Russia, communists are the country's strongest opposition movement

 No.555189

File: 1646081900194.mp4 (2.29 MB, 1920x1080, my source.mp4)

>Ukraine is winning!
<Source?

 No.555190

>>555164
There's only two possible outcomes, as of now:

1) Russia wins. NATO suffers defeat. Second Cold War ensues. History is back on track.

2) NATO wins. Russia is crushed and brought to knees. China, being isolated, follows suit and with it DPRK and Cuba.
We're back to 1991 or worse.


As of now, THERE'S NO FEASIBLE THIRD OPTION
Stating otherwise is behaving like thots writing "Manifesting" on Twitter.

 No.555191

File: 1646081935930.jpg (7.3 KB, 181x279, 1587569831871.jpg)

>>803756
>expired MREs

 No.555192

>>555182
>Putin's approval rating is sky high in Russia now anyways, so what is even the point now?
Proof for this just curious.

 No.555193

>>555185
I didn't say anything about trump being anti war. I speak specifically about Russia

Go look up trump reaction to Navalny ordeal. He didn't give a shit or do anything to Russia

It was not till Biden the admin made fuss over it

 No.555194

File: 1646081953488.png (31.83 KB, 727x405, 1646070419712_01.png)

An updoot is an Ukrainian flag while the downvoot is a cringe Russia flag, we did it

 No.555195

You're either with Putin and multipolarity or with NATO and liberalism, there's no "le based middle ground back to status quo" because that means NATO, fucking decide already.

 No.555196

>>555188
>He thinks that Nato won't just flat out invade Russia if it got that weak.
No fucking chance in hell those commies will get to run anything. You're being very optimistic.

 No.555197

File: 1646081981859.jpg (43.52 KB, 320x240, 10592694.jpg)

>>555171
>Sometimes members of a class have to take setbacks and make sacrifices, in order for the class to advance as a whole

 No.555198

>>555194
>post Russian sources
>to downvote it is to side with Russia
>win

 No.555199

>>555187
present day Globalization really has not meant better living standards for those involved, not even the social democracies of europe

 No.555200

>>803784
Icastic.

 No.555201

Maoists do something!

 No.555202

>>555195
I want both to die, cope

 No.555203

>>803756
Yet another proof that Khokhols are staging those videos

 No.555204

File: 1646082004505.png (402.36 KB, 680x703, cockshott wojak.png)

>>555122
what he says?

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 No.555206

>>555014
>If Russia loses, History is over for 30 other years
fuck off with your crystal ball, it could as well set up the stage for the next communist movement, your social media lobbying wont amount to shit in this war anyway

 No.555207

File: 1646082063361.png (386.03 KB, 572x582, 1646032891010.png)

>>555189
This is much better.

 No.555208

>>555190
Two outcomes:
>Russia wins a limited war and then fucking dies due to sanctions
>Russia looses and fucking dies even faster because not only has Putin just unleashed Perestroika 2.0 levels of economic chaos, but also lost all legitimacy as the big strong leader

Whatever happens, China doesn't give a shit and continues outpacing US. All that is happening is Putin impaling himself in a massive retard move.

 No.555209

>>555199
>backsliding towards a form of capitalism that will give temporary legitimatcy to it in the imperial cores before eventually breaking down again and we're back in the 1970s

 No.555210

>>554811
Yeah, Ukrainians in general shouldn't die in this pointless war, even Russians shouldn't. If there are people who should die horribly, are Westerners.

 No.555211

>>555204
It's not all that good, and it's not even his, but from a boomer friend of his.

 No.555212

>>555206
<Unilateral NATO domination everywhere will set the stage fro more revolutions

Dude are you ok?
Read back the shit you wrote please

 No.555213

>>555182
Limited Ukrainian victory (2021 status quo, no government collapse), peace of exhaustion after many years of warfare, and a US-Russia nuclear exchange are also realistic possibilities. I'm trying to avoid the last two of those.

 No.555214

>>555210
>implying half the people in this thread aren't westerners

 No.555215

>>554991
agreed anon

 No.555216

>>555189
based maxor enjoyer

 No.555217

>>555195
I just want peace, NATO looks like a better choice

 No.555218

>>555209
people in the 1970s, at least within the dominant racial/ethnic group, tended to live better

 No.555219

>>555213
Why would you wanna avoid a nuclear war? It would just make everything stop already. I'm tired Robbie.

 No.555220

File: 1646082154550.png (35.24 KB, 597x321, sleepy joe.PNG)

Finally getting some chill rhetoric from the powers that be.

 No.555221

>>555217
>Hey want to have some basic social democracy?
>Uh…you can't do that

 No.555222

>>555208
>then fucking dies due to sanctions
Are you retarded? Russia is already autark, the west has no leverage anymore and BRICS are supporting russia.

 No.555223

>>555101
To be honest, I don't think it's that bad. Sure, Porky can get people to bark on command like Pavlov's dog, but it's shallow conditioning. There's no real belief behind it, people remain highly alienated and demobilized. It's not false consciousness so much as mere distraction, much easier to dispell on an individual level. This is a downgrade from, for example, Cold War propaganda and its deeply-ingrained notions of patriotism, freedom-loving etc.

 No.555224

>>555070
>6386 anti-war protesters arrested so far
GOOD.

 No.555225

File: 1646082197914.png (280.56 KB, 581x586, ClipboardImage.png)

>>555220
Obama's former fopo advisor kicked a blue tick journo in the balls.

 No.555226

>>555219
if I wanted to die so badly I could just pull the trigger myself, no need to get 2 billion other people or whatever the number is now vaporized

 No.555227

>>555190
If Russia fell, in order for shit to go to 1991 levels we’d need actual occupation of the Kremlin by most likely NATO and US troops in which case they will be destroyed by a ruthless reaction insurgency. I wouldn’t call the new insurgency a Russian Federation loyalist remnant but a fractured force most likely looking to protect Russian interests from foreign occupation, basically Russian patriots looking to protect their country so we’d be back to Putin 2.0. So I disagree, if Russia collapsed it’d mostly likely become even more dangerous than it is now and that much more become a truly absolutist power, or be taken over by new working class power(if we were lucky).

 No.555228

>>555217
For whom? And for what?

 No.555229

>>555171
We have no horses in this race. We merely need to understand and share in unison how this is 100% NATOs fault. Every single Russian or Ukrainian killed goes to NATOs kill count. I'm not even anti-azov, I'm more anti-them getting funding, training, legitimation by the NATO coup government. FUCK NATO. It's the only true eneny here, of both the Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs and proletariat.

 No.555230

>>555220
That is no change in their position.

At no point have any countries said will send their troops and no fly zones require that as you have to shoot down the planes.

Many analyst all over said no fly zone not happening cause escalation

 No.555231

>>555208
Brainlet take, sanctions would have happened regardless

Sanctions can't even collapse a small country with no resources like north korea or cuba, russia will be alright

 No.555232

>>555183
>>555184
If Putin doesn't care why isn't Kiev leveled right now.

 No.555233

>>555229
fuck azov but otherwise good point.

 No.555234

>>555208
If Russia gets fucked, China is next and isolated.
China falling would be a nightmare for world socialism, and I say this as very not a Dengist.

 No.555235

>>803810
And who’s “us”

 No.555236

>>555222
Yes I am sure average Russians will be very happy when literally all foreign goods that aren't shit get cut off. Real Russian only survives on his ration of vodka, wheat, pig meat and natural gas!

 No.555237


 No.555238

>>555229
Another good stance along the other few ones in these threads.

 No.555239

>>555227
Maybe but that would take a shitton of time and human lives.

 No.555240

>>555232
They want to capture Zelensky alive and humiliate him publically.

 No.555241

>>555230
Sure, but the rhetoric was pointed at calming down the public. The press secretary said the Biden admin wants the public to know that there will be no military conflict with Russia. That is at least a very firm statement at the moment when all we've been hearing is about punishment for Russia.

 No.555242

>>555099
sane position

 No.555243

>>555218
Because they were living on what was left of the keynesian welfare state right as it was entering a crisis and shit's been circling the drain ever since

 No.555244

>>555228
For people of the world, for Ukraine, for Russia. NATO generally opposes autocracies and genocidal warmongers

 No.555245

>>555236
And what happens when they’re unhappy?

 No.555246

>>555234
China is literally on par with us economically and almost geopolitical pull

They can rally dozens of countries to side with them. See the un votes on uighur stuff where like 50 or so side with them.

Russia is little

 No.555247

>>555234
How the fuck would China be isolated? They are still basically untouchable due to their importance to the world economy. And as long as they don't do something stupid like Taiwan invasion, EU would be neutral or even pro-China.

 No.555248

>>555220
They were saying the same about swift tho.

 No.555249

>>555028
Election promises were lies

 No.555250

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 No.555251

>>555232
He almost certainly cares, which is why everything isn't glasses over already. All I'm saying is, decisive victory or not, Putin is going to have to deal with a wave of NATo funded insurgents for the next few years.

 No.555252

>>555244
>NATO generally opposes autocracies and genocidal warmongers
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 No.555253

>>554797
>>554944
Ron Paul institute is actually being reasonable instead of simping for Western imperialism ??? Unbelievable.

 No.555254

>>555099
Honestly this is what creeps me out about so many posts here.

Behavior that people here would be quick to condemn as disgusting gets a free pass because "it's different when XYZ political actor does it." Do any of you fuckers have any actual principles or are your brains just fucking fried from resentment

 No.555255

>>555225
>NATO destroying a Russian convoy

YEESSS DO IEEET!

ESCALATE
C
C
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L
E
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 No.555256

>>555070
cringe as fuck

 No.555257

>>803756
YOU WILL EAT THE EXPIRED MRE AND YOU WILL LIKE IT

 No.555258

>>555247
<Implying this is about economics

Economic reason went out of the window the moment EU decided to nuke Russian Central Bank.
We are on a whole another level.
They're playing for annihilation.

 No.555259

>>555253
Because they know that this is not a grave, it's the future you chose.

 No.555260

>>555239
That’s out of our hands. There’s no amount of praying or showing some faggoty ass liberal gesture of support or virtue signal that will help Russia win or lose. The same for Ukraine, no amount to liberal tears or fist pumping will help Ukraine, only guns, soldiers, tanks, fighter planes and bombs.

 No.555261

>>555223
>>554971
eah i mean check out this shit. 3/4th of America is against it but nearly 50% of zoomers and 40% of urbanites say that Russia had the right to invade. That is kind of wild isn't it?

 No.555262

>>555253
Ron Paul worked for Russia today for years

Idk where you are getting the guy sides with west. This guy has said on western tv Iran should be allowed to have nukes and 9/11 was u.s fault for wars they started

 No.555263

>>555190
what a childishly simple view of history

 No.555264

>>554797
Not a single one of these twitter accounts present the Russian side of the narrative. Garbage. Someone give me a better list.

 No.555265

>>555244
>NATO generally opposes autocracies and genocidal warmongers
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA good one.
What fucking think tank is paying you to write this shit. Hahahahaha

 No.555266

File: 1646082595598.webm (1.97 MB, 540x960, 166308359-1-64.webm)

What's the US-NATO endgoal with Russia? Kill Putler and then what? Install a puppet democracy? Balkanization? Make the entire federation a NATO colony?

 No.555267

>>555262
I thought the Von Mises/ Ron Paul institutes, NBER,…. are libertarian and/or pro-West ?

 No.555268

>>555252
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NATO_operations
Most of them were against autocrats or genocidal warmongers

 No.555269

>>555244
-which is why they are funded by autocracies like salazar and genocidal warmongers like the US and Britain.

 No.555270

Can you guys stop praying for nukes? You do understand once that shit starts there will be no internet to shitpost on right?
No ebin leftypol and memes, youll be sent back to analog technology if you even survive

 No.555271


 No.555272

>>555266
what a cute boy

 No.555273

>>555164
the shitposters with strong opinions and need to announce their support just spam a lot

 No.555274

>>555229
>I'm not even anti-azov
>le based truly neutral
Fuck off

 No.555275

>>803857
The working class are not comrades, studpid agent. Go fuck off CIA. You used to be better read.

 No.555276

File: 1646082683119.jpg (89.86 KB, 1200x675, controller.jpg)

>>555244
>NATO generally opposes autocracies and genocidal warmongers
The US and NATO have toppled more elected governments than anybody else in the world. Even for professed supporters of liberal democracy the US is objectively a greater threat than Russia.

 No.555277

>>555270
>You do understand once that shit starts there will be no internet
Yes, but as well as that, there might be downsides…

 No.555278

>>555260
They literally sent Ukraine 10000+ rounds of anti tank missiles.

>>555263
Enumerate revolutions worldwide from 1991, i dare you massive faggot.

 No.555279

>>555258
You do realize the ruling class has for all intents and purposes went lumpen and forgot socialism as a threat, right? The reason EU chimped out is not because Russia decided to overturn the American empire or because it threatens porky. Its because Putin is unironically acting like an unpredictable retard, a mad dog that has to be put down, just like Hitler who united the vying British, French and American empires. Just as there isn't some evil cabal of King Lier imagined porkies, there isn't a cabal of NATO imperialists. I guarantee most of the people in charge of these nations are legitimatelly pissing their pants about how dangerous the situation is for everyones well-being, not thinking "Hmm, need to protect NATO outpost".

 No.555280

>>555271
>>555272
>literally 1 second gap
you two need a girlfriend or a feminine boyfriend.

 No.555281

>>555266
Nothing. Just have a pro western politician like Navalny that’ll get better trade deals out of Russia and will be a buffer between Europe and China. So not exactly a puppet but enough of an influence that they are “soft powered” by the west like how Germany is soft powered by America.

 No.555282

File: 1646082767508.png (351.02 KB, 684x867, communist skel.png)

>>555270
you are only further selling me on the idea

 No.555283

>>555270
So mean the internet will be down and I'll have to touch grass? Holy shit NOOOOOOOO de-escalate NOW

 No.555284

>>555212
<Unilateral NATO domination everywhere
>russia failing to seize ukraine = Unilateral NATO domination everywhere
you make so many shortcuts to support your simple view its laughable

 No.555285

>>555247
>Something stupid
>The liberation of Taiwan
What? when this place became another subreddit?

 No.555286

>>555270
It's just edgy teens who are either shitposting or hate their lives.
So far Putin has just done "counter sanctions"
I'm beginning to think this is a money war. I hope I'm right.

 No.555287

File: 1646082799099.jpg (340.38 KB, 1530x862, kotel'd.jpg)

Northeastern pocket is closed, Mariupol is closed, Eastern Ukrainian pocket likely closed tomorrow at some point, the northern and southern wings are only about 100km away from each other. If that's successfully done Ukraine won't have the manpower/equipment to stop a crossing of the Dnieper

Despite some weird tactical blunders, which are probably due to highly restricted ROE(next to no air support, very limited fire support) the Russian rate of advance has been insane. Russian losses have been high, but then again, the Ukrainian Army was very much totally rebuilt over the last 8 years and isn't a pushover. For comparison it took the US a month to take Iraq in 03, and a couple weeks for the major cities. The cities the Russians are cutting off are magnitudes larger and the terrain and distances are far greater.
The really weird aspect is that the Russians aren't using their frontline units for some reason. The only modern equipment we're seeing a lot of is Tigrs(russian humvee equivalent). Everything else is second echelon equipment, no modern air units, no modern cruise missiles, highly limited artillery use.

 No.555288

>>555250
is r/genzdong pro nato in this conflict? it fits better with the dengist theme

 No.555289

>>555270
Being against nuclear global annihilation is pro NATO because NATO benefits from “shit as usual”.

 No.555290

>>803857
Oh no no! Those bankers and billionaires are national bourgouise (good), unlike those welders who are bankrolled by international bourgoise (bad)

 No.555291

>>803857
>On the right
Working class, resistance fighters defending their homeland from invasion, welders, plumbers………comrades
you forgot an important piece that you did not showed, neonazis that go on and on about the holodomor.

 No.555292

>>555248
Who? I thought the US was pushing for the SWIFT stuff but it was Germany that was like "nah, we don't want Russia to collapse, we've got money there"

 No.555293

>>555270
What's the downside then?

 No.555294


 No.555295


>>555279
Naive.
Systematically underestimating how the ruling class is vile anon.
I say this as an estimator of other things you wrote earlier on leftypol.

 No.555296

>>555274
Nah, i was trying to appeal to the both siders. Fuck the nazi infested Ukraine government. Fuck zelensky, nazi enabler, as good as a nazi.

Like Bandera, their hands are drenched with the blood of the innocents. Enabled by NATO.
May Putin purge every last nazi.

 No.555297

>>555261
Exactly. When it comes to the informational aspect of social control, Porky's grasp is slipping.

 No.555298

>>555279
>there isn't a cabal of NATO imperialists
There very clearly is.
>I guarantee most of the people in charge of these nations are legitimatelly pissing their pants about how dangerous the situation is for everyones well-being, not thinking "Hmm, need to protect NATO outpost".
They're thinking both. Fearing Putin's recklessness is not mutually exclusive with wanting to maintain Transatlantic Empire, on the contrary Russia's recent activity only justifies its existence in the minds of the West.

 No.555299

>>555279
>le putler is an unpredictable actor
it was fucking CLEAR that he was going to do this, even US policymakers IN 2014 AND 2015 said trying to include ukraine in NATO is going to lead to this, holy fucking cope litvinoid

 No.555300

File: 1646082880699.mp4 (7.94 MB, 992x688, 16460824778160.mp4)

Ukrainian POWs getting denazified. They got toured to the Alley of Angels, where 91 children killed in Donbass by Ukrops lie

 No.555301

>>554912
is this Agent Kochinski?

 No.555302

>>555244
certified glow moment

 No.555303

>>555266
tfw NATO wants to destroy Russian cuties like that.

 No.555304

>>555276
Are there any objectively sane people without biased opinions in these threads? Seems everyone is either a PUTINshill or a NATOshill.

 No.555305

>>555279
Yeah we get it tankies are bad and we have to appose them!!!!!!
>>555297
kek. The normalfags are wiser than pro-nato leftiods.

 No.555306

>>555266
New FSB strat to infiltrate Azov

 No.555307

>>555284
<Implying they will stop at Ukraine
Dude they're literally going out publicly saying their objective is forcing regime change on Russia, swapping anti-NATO Porky with Pro-NATO porky.

 No.555308

>>803857
Хватит подъебывать

 No.555309

>>555302
You are the one glowing

 No.555310

>>555183
If the dust settles and this doesn't spiral our of control. All those weapons flooded in Ukraine and handed to randos and far right extremist is going to create some terrifying terrorist groups through Europe.

 No.555311

>>555288
their posters have less Pro-Nato sentiments than this site.

 No.555312

>>555278
>They literally sent Ukraine 10000+ rounds of anti tank missiles.
Exactly and there’s no amount of denouncing these acts will stop weapons being sent. All we can do is observe and report.

 No.555313

>>555287
>Russian losses have been high

At least 10 times lower than Ukrop ones. Photos and videos put their losses at 100, some leak said 200-300 losses.

 No.555314

>>555270
being against nuclear annihilation is pro-nato because nato needs civilization to exist

 No.555315

>>555304
"No war class war" is NATO shilling for these putinists

 No.555316

maybe i was just high at the time but i'm interested by the change in dynamic from "oh wow, an actual war" to a pro-Russian consensus in these threads over the last few days. (even if it's a return to the norm from a pro-Russian consensus before the war started.)

 No.555317

>>555082
still an edgy and infantile right winger I see

 No.555318

>>555311
>>555294
Pity, would be funnier

 No.555319

>>555311
It is considerably easier to astroturf an image board than it is to astroturf a forum tbf.

 No.555320

>>554912
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAGAHAHA
great job

 No.555321

>>555225
Interesting, so the media went full skitzo over their ruling class. This will trigger some splits. How my fellow comrades in the west can do good gains and bargains in detriment of the power they hold, which is a lot.

 No.555322

One more attack against the retard Putinoids ITT. Azov Battalion is a fucking paper tiger designed to whip up concent for intervention, America style. Of course, all the retard hyper online "communists" bite it so good, because they are triggered by the Nazi aesthetic (aka the aesthetic of a dead ideology that never will rise, but which will always live rent-free in a western MLs head).

 No.555323

File: 1646083042281.jpg (1.18 MB, 1242x1491, WWLD.jpg)

>>555304
>Are there any objectively sane people without biased opinions in these threads?
Revolutionary defeatists.

 No.555324


 No.555325

>>555316
there was a big pro-Ukraine surge from glowies and tourists which got curbed by mods so now its "returned to the mean" of /leftypol/ opinions

 No.555326

>>555316
West/NATO/US provoked and pushed Russia to attack by refusing to give guarantees to Russia's safety

 No.555327

>>555315
No war but class war is a truism that deflects from the actual circumstances put in front of you and the significance that their outcomes will have for the working class of Russia, Ukraine and the world at large.

 No.555328

>>555254
Putin winning indirectly advances our own objectives, just like Germany not collapsing in the eastern front to the tsarist army advanced Lenin interests.

Is that so difficult to grasp?

 No.555329

>>555314
You are not gonna sell me on nuclear holocaust but pretty good try.

 No.555330

Any news from Mariupol?

 No.555331

>>803857
working class is when you wear a baseball cap

 No.555332

>>555304
There aren't NATOshills here but about 25% of users here seem to be Kremlin sympathizers. That is account on them being absolute idiots in every sense of the word and why organizing against them politically is like taking candy from a baby.

 No.555333

>>555307
>>555307
this has been their policy for literal decades

 No.555334

>>555313
According to what? What info? Are you corroborating different info and verifying it? I imagine you have a massive team going through all the information and gathering it into one massive compendium that presents a picture of the facts of this conflict right?

 No.555335

>>555322
Are you trying to re-educate certified bootlickers?

 No.555336

>>555312
This is true but at least one could maintain one (1) place where people reason and avoid spouting pro-NATO bullshit.

 No.555337

File: 1646083128776.mp4 (3.41 MB, 784x1280, 7524071921076957246.MP4)

Ukrainians set themselves on fire throwing a molotov

 No.555338

>mfw all these putinoids accusing everybody of being NATO shills
what part of "no war but class war" do you irony-poisoned nihilists not understand

 No.555339

>>803924
The only leftist take here

 No.555340

>>555271
>>555272
>>555303
>>555306
Anwser my question, coomers!!
I did the same question without the qt in the other thread and got ignored. kek

>>555281
Do you think they would do a "decommunization" like they did in Ukraine? Illegalize communist parties and such?

 No.555341

>>555243
dirigsme economics in general arent genocidal fuck over anyone else like fascism does

unless you count its explotation of the third world but neoliberalism does the same thing so eh

also we dont know if a return to dirigsme economics would break down again since the system behind the dirigsme were liberal democratic states or states that justified this economics by saying its temporary

in russia and maybe chinas system of dirigsme the state is not at all a liberal democracy, no where in the us spehere, and especially in the case of china dirigsme economics are not seen as temporary but as a long term permanant thing, as the superior economic system to beat the cold war west

 No.555342

>>555338
The class war is fought through various means

 No.555343

>>555210
> Yeah, Ukrainians in general shouldn't die in this pointless war, even Russians shouldn't. If there are people who should die horribly, are Westerners.

Ok, but the war already started
We are no longer at a stage where we are discussing whether there should be a war
we are discussing is what the results and consequences with the ongoing war

 No.555344

>>555236
they'll be mad, but they'll be mad at the west and rally around the flag because of it, sanctions always end up working that way

 No.555345

>>555332
Says the succdem that posted an article saying that leftists should support NATO

Just get out, you should be happier on reddit anyway.

 No.555346

>>555313
I'm only doing it in comparison to a "western" campaign, but then again we don't have anything comparable. The closest would be Desert Storm/03, but in both of those the Iraqi forces were a joke and basically only existed on paper
mission kills of vehicles are about 100-150
manpower loses are probably 300-400 range so far

 No.555347

>>555338
The part where it doesn't allow them to support the 2nd Reich invasion of Belgium because it combats Angloid imperialism

 No.555348

>>555328
>just like Germany not collapsing in the eastern front to the tsarist army advanced Lenin interests
Yeah but you didn't see Lenin going around saying the Kaiser was based and that Rosa Luxembourg was an Okhrana agent for opposing the German war effort.

 No.555349

>>555326
Thanks for sharing, but I think he meant inside leftypol

 No.555350

>>555342
yes, like "ironically" posting in favor of a nuclear exchange to own the westoids

 No.555351

>>555345
Braindead poltard I'm not the same socdem flag user.

 No.555352

>>555322
>designed
So Putin created Azov Battalion now? And tricked America and Ukraine into supporting it? What

 No.555353

>>555338
Class war requires a vanguard ready to take power and turn the guns around on Porky.
Not happening anytime soon in Russia, unthinkable in the West.

We're gonna deal with reality and not wishes.

>>555333
Of course, but they cranked up the aggression to the max.

 No.555354

>>555324
Although in the case of reddit it's advantages as a depot for social control is much more powerful than image boards, it's upboat system and modfaggotry (Who all share the same mods and the fact that the CEO of reddit is a literal fed) means that it's basically a glow zone and constantly bombarding image boards is a pain in the ass. There is little to no real damage to people who resist the astroturf either so reddit is generally stronger and likely what every other website envies on that front.
>>555325
It helps that they started to post gore porn when it was clear that Ukraine isn't going to really win.

 No.555355

>>555247
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/02/18/us-russia-china-war-nato-quadrilateral-security-dialogue/

They have already planned to go to war, they will do it, regardless you can see it or not. If Russia falls China's next.

To be "grilled" and say incoherent things…
CURIOUS.

 No.555356

>>803857
here's who actually sits on the right:
militia leaders, neonazis, and government politicians trying to look cool and hip and careless in comparison to the stuck up suits sitting opposite them

 No.555357

>>555102
I'm assuming you mean monopolarity, which is just untrue, since China exists. And even without China, the economic conditions have changed massively after 2008 and the coming economic crsis. You lack any dialectical thinking, understanding of the moment and you're just a bloodthirsty edge lord.

 No.555358

>>555350
nobody here really wants nuclear war shitposting is shitposting please calm down

 No.555359

>>555220
Rachel Maddow wouldn't let this happen if she was still with msmbc

 No.555360

File: 1646083293791.jpg (26.71 KB, 996x675, fog of war.jpg)

>>555287
>Russian losses have been high
source ?

>>555313
>At least 10 times lower than Ukrop ones
source ?

has anybody seen sources ?

 No.555361

>>555316
>pro-Russian consensus
no such thing. But we recognize the west is at fault for the crisis and hypocritical in its denunciation. And many people here are just anti NATO before anything
putin is still a bitch and some retards just cant handle nuance

 No.555362

>>555355
You forget I am also a Schizo

 No.555363

>>555353
>if I simp for one capitalist system of power over another then that will create an opening for the left and not a power vacuum that immediately gets filled in by competing imperial interests within a fucking microsecond

 No.555364

>>555360
trust me bro
t. knower

 No.555365

>>555332
>25%
Explain then why posters who give their analysis that even hints at a “both sides” argument get all the (You)s and pure propagandizing for Russia posters don’t get any (You)s? I’m sure that it’s more accurate to say that 70 percent of posters are as you say “putinshills” and the other 30 are the “both sides” posters.

 No.555366

Pretty good analysis, why India and China choose neutrality towards Russia's invasion

 No.555367

>>555352
I think he's talking more about how its being portrayed by Russia's narrative. The reality is that Ukraine is probably closer to Germany in 1920 than 1940, ie it has a Freikorps but these people aren't exactly running the country.

 No.555368

>>555353
things change fast in wartime anon, the bolsheviks were marginal as hell in 1914

 No.555369

Will they allow haz on RT set with a tank top

 No.555370

>>555327
No it doesn't. Russian soldiers should drive right back home and shoot Putin and his oligarchis friends, then establish a socialist government. Of course the Communist party of the russian federation is an even worse piece of shit than Unite Russia so we are all fucked

 No.555371

What does gun ownership among the proletariat look like in Russia?

 No.555372

>>555323
Your refusal to pick a side Russia because of a state which is subclinically “imperialist” vs the existing imperialist threat solidifying its hegemony further is well-reasoned, but you cannot reject the circumstances presented to you. I agree that Russia’s “not imperialism” is only a product of it not yet having the material capabilities, despite the ambition for it well existing in it. However, assuming that it crossed the threshold in the future is like stage 1 vs stage 4 cancer. The metaphor is a little iffy, sure (especially cancer fighting cancer), but one of these sides represents the better outcome and one of them represents the worse, however it may be

 No.555373

>>555348
It was clear that a russian win in the eastern front was bad news for Lenin, he never went as far as supporting the Kaiser but he certainly used the fact that germany was winning to further his own interests.

We should do the same, the worst thing that could happen is a NATO victory, so we should support the opposite of that, a Russian victory.

 No.555374

>>555345
I was the one posting an article saying that leftists should support Ukrainian people. You are literally supporting everything aimed at attacking NATO, you would support genocide if it was based anti-Western anti-imperialist genocide.

 No.555375

>>555372
Basically this shit. I doubt we have any real pro-putin people. People like Maupin and Haz are mocked here

 No.555376

>>555336
>spouting proNATO shit
I don’t know what this even means uygha.

 No.555377

>>555357
China alone is an easy target to fight.
Its the two front logic that is straining Us Empire,otherwise they're still superior to China, vastly so if including allies.

>>555363
That split second would be a split second more than what we got for the last 30 years.
Lenin already did it once this way.

 No.555378

>>555332
bold of you to assume anyone organizes

 No.555379

>>555371
Gun ownership never fucking mattered. What matters is how pissed (or dysfunctional) the power structures become in order for a revolution to happen. Either that, or economic/social chaos on such scale that literally almost everyone walks out into the streets.

 No.555380

>>555315
>"No war class war" is NATO shilling for these putinists
Can you explain the practical differences between wanting Russia to retreat and wanting NATO to own Ukraine?

Surely bourgeois war was just as bad when NATO was pumping Ukraine full of weapons and ramping up warmongering propaganda in preparation for their own abandonment of Minsk2. As well as the 8 years of shelling the Donbass republics.

No? Only need to stop war now that NATO is on the losing side? ok.

 No.555381

>>555276
cont.

This is why I push the "both sides [Russia - Nato] are bad" line, my dear followers!

Please like, subscribe, and lick my boots!

 No.555382

>all these NATO shills accusing everybody of being putinoids
so much for "no war but class war"…

 No.555383

>>555368
That is right but Zyuganov is a MASSIVE cuck retard, and worth 0,00000001% Lenin.

 No.555384

>>555365
>pure propagandizing for Russia posters don’t get any (You)s
because we know they're retarded shitposters that wont change their opinion. And we're more used to calling out libs. We spend all days immersed in west propaganda, so it get more pushback. Russia propaganda is basically just seen here.

 No.555385

>>555370
I do think a defeat could deliver us the worker movement to replace Putin, but a victory would give us that AND a possible neutral territory that may be able to pursue communism

 No.555386

>>555268
Wikipedia also says socialism is genocidal and guialdo is the president of venezuela

 No.555387

>>555380
>No? Only need to stop war now that NATO is on the losing side? ok
What the fucking fuck does this sentence even mean? Am I retarded because I sure as shit don’t understand it.

 No.555388

>>555384
Russia's soft power is actually kind of shit tbh. I never got that complaint from well anyone really.

 No.555389

half of these threads is people saying "go putin!!! get em! it will be much better if russia wins!" and then when theres any criticism of the simplicity & general retardation of that position someone says "no one here SUPPORTS russia, stupid"

just own it fuckers. we get it, your pea brain isnt sufficiently entertained by the horror of inter-imperialist wars & the possibility of nuclear annihilation and you need a team to root for, stop backpedaling and pretending like you can couch you epin putin memes in any sensible communist position

 No.555390

>>555304
Are you aware of the crimes of the Ukrainian government? Are you aware of the provocations NATO did to incite the invasion? It's hard to blame Russia when Russia has been trying for peace and stability for 8 straight years while the Ukrainian government commited crimes against humanity. Where was your bleeding heart during those 8 years???

Above all, THERE IS NO WORKING CLASS FOR ITSELF. Neither in Russia nor Ukraine (except maybe Lugansk and Donesk). So supporting the working class or whatever bullshit you conjure is pure idealistic garbage (not idealist, idealistic).

It's literally "thoughts and prayers" tier. You don't give a fuck about the affected. You only want everyone to hold hands and sing kumbaya. Unfortunately the real world is nothing like your liberal fantasy world and shit fucking sucks and is complicated as hell. There is no working class to sing kumbaya for itself.

Exit your fantasy world and enter reality.

 No.555391

>>555374
>>555374
"Leftists should support ukrainian people" is what I would expect from a liberal to continue with, "that's why we must support NATO and sanctions"

OUT

 No.555392

>>555372
>but one of these sides represents the better outcome and one of them represents the worse, however it may be
I agree, and I've said multiple times that barring a collapse of the Russian state which favours the Russian communists, a Russian victory in Ukraine is the best possible outcome. However I don't think that this requires us to approve of the invasion per say, and certainly not to voice such approval in public.
>>555373
>he never went as far as supporting the Kaiser but he certainly used the fact that germany was winning to further his own interests
Yes, because Lenin understood the distinction between tactics and strategy. He would denounce the Kaiser and lend every possible effort to the cause of revolutionary defeatism in both Germany and Russia, and he would do so while taking the Kaiser's money and train rides.

 No.555393

>>555365
I like to be conservative in guessing how many users of a particular site are evil. Counting lurkers, it's possible the Kremloids are a sizable, vocal minority. Who knows what their motivations are, not to imply they're capable of conscious thought.

 No.555394

>>555383
I don't at all disagree, my hope is that when shit hits the fan the Russian commies kick him out and replace him with a Lenin. Mensheviks once dominated the Russian socialist movement.

(this doesn't mean rooting for NATO though, the right move is to stoke antiwar sentiment on both sides)

 No.555395

>>555133 why are there Russian porn stars singing in green a screen background video

 No.555396

>>555394
how are we even doing that though? Like, having a "Good" opinion and actually doing anything is two different things.

 No.555397

>>555394
>the right move is to stoke antiwar sentiment on both sides
So back to status quo, so NATO.

 No.555398

>>555397
Tell me how stoking anti-NATO sentiment in NATO countries helps NATO.

 No.555399

>>555389
>oh no when i scratch the shitposting surface I actually get reasonable views and nuanced opinions, meaningful arguments even
>that just means they're hiding their true colors !

 No.555400

>>804000
pure fucking lib projection.

 No.555401

>>555387
NATO nazi puppets getting fucked. Russia invaded ukraine a few days ago.

 No.555402

>>555361
people in general are poorly trained for nuance. ultimately, one instinctively wants either russia or ukraine to 'win', or perhaps russia or NATO to win, depending on one's framing of the question.

one can come up with all sorts of reasons and rationales for picking a side, but ultimately the only way to not have one is to not care at all, or perhaps to want everyone to lose.

>>555389
tbh i'm constantly disappointed by the ratio of webms of shit exploding and maps that slowly get redder to wordy self-justification, doomerism, and militaristic wank-fantasy.

>>804000

this would be a very interesting explanation if true.

 No.555403

next thread????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 No.555404

>>555380
WGYYXRNV
YOU SUBHUMAN UYGHUR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND YOU ARE A FUCKIGN AGRESSOR MURDERER YOU PIECE OF FUKGAIPJT FIGLTYJH
YOU A RE A SUBHUMAN SUBHUMAN SUBHUMAN
WOW WOW WOW NATO BAD SO NUKE NATO STATES
LETS LET FUCKING PSYCHO MURDERERS OF CHECHNYA GO INTO URBAN CENTERS
LETS USE PHJSOPHORUS BOMSB
LETS FUCKING DEMAND PEOPLE TO TAKE OUT THERIR OWN GOVERNMENT JUST SO YOU WOULD STOP COKMITING WAR CRIMES ON THEM
BECAUSE NATO IS PURE EVIL AND ANYTHIGN AGAINST IT IS PURE GOOD
EVEN WHILE THE HUMAN FILTH PUTIN SENDS MURDERERS TO STOMP OUT REAL SOCIALISTS REVOLUTIONS IN CSTO STATES
WHILE SUPPORTING MURDERERS LIKE KADYROV WHO ARE NO BETTER THAN COLOMBIAN REGIME
ALL BECAUSE YOU LISTENED TO AN AUTISTIC GINGER RETARD WHO READ OUTDATED SHITTY SOVIET PAMPHLETS AND NEVER READ A BOOK IN HIS LIFE SAID DUGHH AZOV NADZIES XDDDD
BECAUSE NATO IS BIG EMPIRE AND RUSSIA IS A SMOL WANNA BE EMPIRE
BECASUE BIG EMPIRE BAD
FUCK YOU RETARD
KILL YOURSELF

 No.555405

>>555315
Thank you for your sloganeering anon. You're doing god's work.

 No.555406

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 No.555407

See the problem is the Putinoids don't get that Ukranians that side with NATO are worthy victims and those who side against it are warlike barbarians.

Ugh

 No.555408

>>555236
Can you fucking shut up? Their fucking balance economy has shifted towards China for years, they will be doing just fine. Of course not better with western markets, but fuck off with that rhetoric.

 No.555409

>>555393
I honestly could give a shit less because I know I’m not personally responsible for the death of both Russians and Ukrainians, nor am I responsible for fascist NATO sending weapons and egging this conflict on. Therefore I’m content in the fact that I can give a shit less about this conflict cuz it has nothing to do with my general interest as a working class person. As an individual I have zero power in getting rid of NATO and I’m not liberal enough to believe I can “make a difference”. I’m not a zoomer brain either who spends his time on twitter debates and having le takes. I spend my time here only for shitposting, memeing and discussion. This pathetic NEET filled autistic sperg of a website is not praxis and to think it means anything is one big cope. Peace.

 No.555410

>>555404
>REAL SOCIALISTS REVOLUTIONS
where

 No.555411

>>804000
>Like every U.S. soldier I know criticized our government, and our military command structure publicly over the horrifically planned and executed evacuation from the AO of Afghanistan.
Hahahhahahahahhahahah
Not the inavsion. Not the current genocide Biden is doing. Not the civilian killings. Not the drone program. Not the rapes. Not the torture. Not the installation of an american puppet. Not the refugee crisis. Not the flattening of cities. The true crime was how quickly they pulled out.
Hahahahahahahaha americans are truly psychopathic.

 No.555412

>>555390
>IF YOU DON'T VOOT FOR BIDEN TO GET TRUMP OUT OF OFFICE YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT BROWN PEOPLE

 No.555413

File: 1646083989723.jpg (47.93 KB, 680x621, ed9.jpg)

>>555070
>Putin bootlickers seething
Wow, I didn't expect such a sperg out. I get that people a furious at the Ukrop government for all of its new crimes since the war started, but remember this is not the USSR "liberating" Cuckraine. How many times does it need to be proven that Putin is bourgeios scum like the rest?

>Obsessing over Trosky out of nowhere

LOL rentfree

 No.555414

>>804000
I don't know, most phrases in Russian here are Russians telling putinoids to shut the fuck up.

 No.555415

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>>555404
>WGYYXRNV
>YOU SUBHUMAN UYGHUR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND YOU ARE A FUCKIGN AGRESSOR MURDERER YOU PIECE OF FUKGAIPJT FIGLTYJH
>YOU A RE A SUBHUMAN SUBHUMAN SUBHUMAN
>WOW WOW WOW NATO BAD SO NUKE NATO STATES
>LETS LET FUCKING PSYCHO MURDERERS OF CHECHNYA GO INTO URBAN CENTERS
>LETS USE PHJSOPHORUS BOMSB
>LETS FUCKING DEMAND PEOPLE TO TAKE OUT THERIR OWN GOVERNMENT JUST SO YOU WOULD STOP COKMITING WAR CRIMES ON THEM
>BECAUSE NATO IS PURE EVIL AND ANYTHIGN AGAINST IT IS PURE GOOD
>EVEN WHILE THE HUMAN FILTH PUTIN SENDS MURDERERS TO STOMP OUT REAL SOCIALISTS REVOLUTIONS IN CSTO STATES
>WHILE SUPPORTING MURDERERS LIKE KADYROV WHO ARE NO BETTER THAN COLOMBIAN REGIME
>ALL BECAUSE YOU LISTENED TO AN AUTISTIC GINGER RETARD WHO READ OUTDATED SHITTY SOVIET PAMPHLETS AND NEVER READ A BOOK IN HIS LIFE SAID DUGHH AZOV NADZIES XDDDD
>BECAUSE NATO IS BIG EMPIRE AND RUSSIA IS A SMOL WANNA BE EMPIRE
>BECASUE BIG EMPIRE BAD
>FUCK YOU RETARD
>KILL YOURSELF

 No.555416

>>555404
Мне нравится этот шизофреник

 No.555417

>>555412
How did you get that from what I wrote? Americans dont get to have an opinon. They don't get to protest about anything. Their failure to build an anti-imperialist left, let alone a communist left, is what led to the genocide of the international working class. Their failure is directly responsible for this conflict too.

If you're american, shut the fuck up and apologize to Russians and Ukranians.

 No.555418

>>555409
If this site is trash due to its popularity then humanity is fucked because this is a somewhat fringe place. Not giving a shit about anything isn't enlightened it's just a cope. Hiding behind layers of irony ("just shitposting") is Rick and Morty tier and you'd be better off doing something else.

 No.555419

>>555392
Valid. But personally, I’m not ashamed to say that I support Russia because, as a person of Indian ancestry, I know which side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict thinks of themselves more like the people that subjugated the subcontinent and which side thinks of themselves more like people like me.

 No.555420

>>555391
>If I'm getting skullfucked by a barbed dick, and another dick comes to fuck my other eye socket, the anti-skullfucking thing to do is to welcome the second dick

 No.555421

>>555418
becoming too invested in something you cannot control is also rick and morty tier. the answer, for once, lies in the middle. in a buddhist kind of way or something, not in a centrist kind of way.

 No.555422

>>555417
>everybody in an imperial core is a subhuman cartoon villain because they didn't do what I, the based chad, imagine I would do when faced with one of the most efficient propaganda industries in the world, some of the most brutal and merciless domestic and foreign intelligence agencies in the world, all while being bribed from birth by the spoils of empire

 No.555423

>>555419
>I know which side in the Russia-Ukraine conflict thinks of themselves more like the people that subjugated the subcontinent and which side thinks of themselves more like people like me.
I understand the sentiment, but I'm thinking tactically in terms of what best maximizes the chance for Western comrades to turn the prevailing opinions against NATO. When everybody is upset that Ukraine is getting torn apart by foreign powers, the quickest way to win their support is to denounce all foreign intervention, which in the West amounts to a denunciation of NATO. I'm also thinking of the best way for Russian communists to leverage the internal contradictions created by this war to the benefit of their movement. When this shit inevitably immiserates the Russian people, any "communist" supported the bourgeois warmongers will not be left in a strong political position.

 No.555424

>>555417
>he was asleep for all of 2020
an angry mob of burgers literally tried to storm the white house during the george floyd protests lmao

 No.555425

>>555421
True. I became worked up about Kremlin sympathizers when I realized rightoids are sympathetic to Putin taking bites out of the West. To see leftists being this way is more of an absurdity than anything else.

 No.555426

>>555322
Back then the NSDAP was also considered just a paper tiger.

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 No.555428

>>555427
I see "When Soviet SOCIALISM imploded (1991)," I don't read anymore.

 No.555429

>>555399
they arent nuanced opinions and reasonable arguments, theyre mental acrobatics about how rooting for putin is justified and how he's better than NATO and not imperialist but also believing this doesnt count as actually supporting putin because it doesnt count as support if you only support him on the condition that it will ensure your very particular vision of a future revolution that involves like a thousand different unrelated and indeterminable variables, but lets just pretend that putin accomplishing his revanchist goals in a limited war is worth cheering on because you have a hunch it will turn out better down the line

all these retards act like leninists, as if what didnt make lenin & the bolsheviks the last good socialists standing after the outbreak of ww1 is that they REFUSED TO TAKE A SIDE. granted the difference is most people here are westerners choosing the side of their countrys enemy which is at least admirable, but this isnt afghanistan or vietnam where you can correctly support the enemy and hope the empire bleeds out in a quagmire, this is probably the closest thing you can get to direct contemporary inter-imperial conflict without a nuclear war. yes, in this case its between a much weaker regional imperial power trying to retain what little influence it has in a fight against the global hegemon, so its tempting to choose the global underdog, but the global underdog is still the regional imperialist. its not unlike saying you support apartheid south africa because while theyre not perfect theyre a bulwark against western hegemons imposing sanctions on them

my personal hope is that on one hand russia gets bogged down in ukraine & it creates a crisis for the russian bloc of eastern european and central asian countries. hopefully the russian communist party and working class in general will be rejuvenated by this and take advantage of the economic chaos and the inevitable decline in putins domestic support and legitemacy.

on the other hand i hope that the economic upset caused by sanctions on russia has major economic repercussions in the west, and hastens the decline of the US to an extent that the global south can recognize such decline and take advantage of it, with everywhere from latin america to africa to asia being given some room to test the water on taking bolder moves than they could in previous years when the US was not so occupied. if the US tried another war of intervention in such a weakened state it would probably be another nail in the coffin of its total hegemony.

of course this is all speculation as well, but a far weakened and isolated russia does not necessarily equal the west thriving or benefitting. russia & its regional sphere are a very important piece of the global economic puzzle, and if that link breaks due to military defeat & domestic chaos, nobody will come out unscathed

US warhawks want another cold war, they want proxy wars to pour money into, they dont want putin to blow his load on ukraine and then be couped for unpopularity and open up a much more politically and economically unpredictable situation

 No.555430

>>555427
Despite the systematic campaign of lies by the bourgeois disinformation media, it is clear that the conflict in Ukraine is part of a secular war of aggression of Western imperialism against Russia and China, which began in 1918 with the US military invasion against the Russian Revolution, which was defeated by the Red Army in Siberia.

based and history pilled

 No.555431

>>555427
This cockshott guy keeps some good company. Very smart people. We should let him design the economy.

 No.555432

>>555431
I presume you are being sarcastic ?

 No.555433

>>555432
I'm not.

 No.555434

>>555427
>as President Eisenhower had defined the supreme objectives of U.S. foreign policy in 1961, in the Single Integrated Operational Plan (SIOP): a surprise nuclear attack on the urban centers and industrial targets of Russia and China.
Wtf… these people are insane.

 No.555435

>>555433
Oh really ? Are you aware of his bad opinions about LGBT and he literally thinks that "unequal exchange" cannot happen ?
His "proposals" are just
1) Utopian socialist talking points
2) Apply big computers. I believe that if a revolutionary party comes to power they can do it themselves without needing Mr Dickblast reactionary utopian drivels.

 No.555436

>>555417
Yeah, my parents are indian. My partner’s parents fled antisemites from ukraine. I won’t apologize to Russia, since I, like many of the people who can trace their lineage to colonized and imperialized countries, fully support it

 No.555437

European countries will now have to buy Russian gas in Yuans/RMB instead of US Dollars.

 No.555438

>>555435
>Are you aware of his bad opinions about LGBT he literally thinks that "unequal exchange" cannot happen ?
1. bait and switch fallacy, topic was geo-politics not social values, or economic theory
2. Cockshott attacked specifically Judith Butler's version of gender theory on theoretical grounds, he did not push for social discrimination, learn to accept that some people have opinions that are very different from yours, without demanding to "burn the heretic". (Personally I'm undecided on the issue of gender theory, I'm holding out for evidence from brain research before i make up my mind, but if you do anything to imply that this theory is unquestionable doctrine, you are signalling a faith based believe system that will convince me to file it under highly improbable. I'm very allergic to anything that gives off religious zeal vibes)
3. unequal exchange theory is likely wrong, nobody has been able to challenge Cockshott's on a theoretical level on that. Some Marxist say that unequal exchange and profit equalization can be rescued when you restrict it to the realm of pure finance capital. I haven't drawn my conclusions about that yet, because it's dense theory that takes time to process.

>His "proposals" are just

>1) Utopian socialist talking points
Cybernetic socialism is a realistic economic system for creating an economic system that could plausibly deliver on money-less economy.
Sortition democracy with democratic issue polling, is probably going to solve socialist problems with party politics, ie remove the need for purges..
>2) Apply big computers. I believe that if a revolutionary party comes to power they can do it themselves without needing Mr Dickblast reactionary utopian drivels.
<Noo you can't think about possible ways how to construct a better future beforehand.
I'm pretty sure that this hostility towards thinking about technical details about how to build a better future comes from an internalized desire to maintain the status quo, because if people can imagine how a better world could look like, they might actually change something.

TLDR you did not critique anything about the geo-political Article that Cockshott re-posted on his blog, you just attacked Cockshott's character, ad-hom attacks are type of social approval, congrats you just gave him a metaphorical upvote.

 No.555439

>send in a column with no infantry to back it up
>it gets destroyed
>repeat 5x
russia is dogshit at war


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