No.578147
Long live the Z
No.578151
death to all /chug/glers
No.578164
>>578152So does this also extend to all the soldiers who defected to Wagner? I mean i assume so right?
No.578169
>>578152Based Luka will put them to proper use, unlike Cucktin.
No.578172
Sigh
No.578176
Newfag here. How do I embed youtube videos?
No.578183
>Italian saves France
>Georgian saves Russia
>Austrian saves Germany
>Belorussian saves Russia
More common than you think!
No.578195
>>578182Prigozhin will retire to Belarus and Wagner will focus on Africa from now on. I think it's the best outcome. Prigozhin might still die from Polonium tea in a few months/years but he will live for now.
No.578201
So what are the consequences for Putin gonna be? You get mutinied, declare them traitors, watch them march onto your doorsteps, get saved by a president of smaller neightouring county, and have to accept mutiniers back into the fold scot-free along with giving into their demands.
No.578204
>>578176go top of the page where you can post. There is embed button that opens a field where you can input your yt-video link or whatever.
No.578208
>>578201peanits locked in the chastity cage for 6 months
No.578221
Blessed Are the Peacemakers for they the President of Belarus
No.578225
We are so back
No.578244
>>578236
Well, one thing is certain that western intelligence agencies did jacksquat.
No.578271
>>578252Prigozhin's angry face engulfed by lighting is the funniest shit i've ever seen
No.578287
>>578284Can you imagine if Lukashenko just gave Prigozhin a media job and he could shitpost 24/7 on national television to his heart's content?
No.578295
>>578273Genuinely deserves it more then the vast majority of actual recipients
No.578299
I fucking can't follow what's going on because I am doing things. What's happening? Is it over? wtf is going on??
No.578302
What kind of sweetheart deal did Wagner get I wonder, I imagine we won't know for a long time
No.578305
>>578299Luka has saved the day
All hail the Union of Russia, Belarus, and soon… Ukraine!!!
No.578314
<luka passed a mad hard speech check and a talking foreskin with a merc company joined his party
waow
No.578317
>>578299It's over, Lukashenko called Prigozhin and got him to stay down and go to Belarus
No.578321
It would be funnier if Prigozhin was adopted by Kadyrov instead, on condition that he converts to Islam
No.578324
>>578299ITS OVER (its only just getting started)
No.578329
>>578299Lukashenko saved the day by negotiating with Prigo, Wagner is returning to Ukraine and allegedly Prigozhin will get exiled to Belarus but not be prosecuted of any crime now.
No.578333
>>578329Is he still technically in command or is he being replaced?
No.578337
>>578333He's going into exile in Belarus.
No.578341
>>578284 (me)
Internally, whatever struggles were had are not gonna be publicized and the part that was ,the coup and the Prigozhin hissyfit, were probably a psyop to cover it up.
No.578349
>>578333I'm assuming he's gonna get replaced if he's being exiled. Not just him but the entire current Wagner leadership too I'd guess.
No.578353
>>578244Yeah, and I'm still gonna assume they did it the next time it happens
No.578358
rip wagner then 2014-2023 had a good run.
No.578361
What was the point of this fucking theatre???
No.578364
>>578345
>He's exiled. Wagner is no more. It's being absorbed into the army.
Wagner had an original role in 2014 like others Russia ended up knocking off. Will parallels be drawn to the original separatists? 🤔
No.578368
>>578349>>578345That's easier said than done, just look at what happened in Sudan as the army tried to absorb the RSF
No.578379
>>1511691
Material reality and geopolitics got your cock, buddy? I know it's upsetting that reality doesn't adjust itself to the purity of your ideology alone.
No.578387
>>578353No I mean they had no contingency for this whole thing, the "coup" or the lukashenko deal
No.578391
>Wagner maoism
fucking cringe
Lukashenko should imvade Russia and execute both Cucktin and Pedozhin. Fuck them both
No.578395
>the only part of the russian forces that actually did something is dissolved
It's over
No.578402
>>578375
He knew that if kept pushing and escalating this thing into actual coup he would be soon calling shoigu to send more shell.
No.578406
>>578375>>578398It was already clear beforehand, but now it's utterly undeniable that Prigozhin is schizophrenic.
No.578414
Reminder, fizzle gang always wins.
No.578417
>>578414You can shut up now.
No.578422
>>578287Prigozhin is gonna become butthurt doomer poster pals with Strelkov after both got told to sit the fuck down by their goverment.
>>578345>He's exiled. Wagner is no more. It's being absorbed into the army.Wagner was being absorbed into the army anyway, and it is just one of his enterprises. Prigo was a Kremlin insider porky decades before he got into the PMC business. That's why none of this made any sense, even if the scheme was such that the MoD was really going to take away his Wagner profits, that's just one , however juicy, of his insider bsns. It's not worth making himself an enemy of the state that still pays his contracts all over.
No.578430
I wonder if Shoigu will resign, I would.
No.578433
/k/ope status?
No.578443
>>578433Still going. For some fucking reason.
No.578463
I now see the contours of the deal Lukashenko negotiated . Priggy is to evacuate to Belarus , where he hopes he is less likely to be killed immediately. What is to happen to the Wagner organization as a whole however? Are they to surrender their arms? Are they to be pardoned, or did Prig sell them out to save his own skin? Putin will want some heads to roll for this. Wagner troops it is clear cannot simply go back to the front as though this never happened. It would ruin cohesion.
The question then becomes: how will Russia fill that gap in their line, and how will Ukraine exploit it? Wagner participated in some of the most intense combat zones, which are now open to Ukrainian advance.
No.578467
>>578440He looks like Giorgio Moroder Lmao.
No.578472
>>578463Wagnerites who didn't side with him will sign contracts with the MoD
No.578481
>>578463Wagner will attack Ukraine from Belarus.
No.578485
>>578463They already replaced Wagner with Chechens, duh.
No.578502
>>578463>The question then becomes: how will Russia fill that gap in their line, and how will Ukraine exploit it?Wagner is officially on vacation and hasn't been in any hot spots for the last few weeks. Bakhmut is garrisoned by RAF atm.
No.578506
> Container = Matroska (mkv)
Poland or anybody else much less likely to fuck with Luka now, no matter what happens
No.578509
The most important questions is, will Wagner continue to exist in the same capacity? Or are they disarming? If the latter, it looks like all the Wagnerites that participated in this gained absolutely nothing.
No.578513
Plot twist:
It was all a ruse to sell Lukashenko to be Putin's successor to the public while the internal arrangements are made to make sure not faction gets too opportunistic and get covered up by the security theater.
No.578517
>>578218>luka is luigi>putin is mario>zelensky is wariowho's waluigi?
No.578521
>>578509No they will be broken down and melted into the rest of the Army I would imagine.
No.578525
So have we gotten confirmation yet about whether the Russian air force actually bombed Wagner or is that just bullshit?
No.578532
>>578525saw videos of wagner vehicles exploding but no actual pic of choppers afaik
No.578536
>>578532 but no actual pic of choppers exploding or wreckage afaik
No.578544
>pringles
No.578547
>>578536>>578532My main assumption right now is that NATO or the CIA bombed Wagner's troops and made it look like Russia did it, i don't see why Putin would do that and i also can't imagine Prigo blowing his own stuff up just for a pretext.
May sound conspiratorial but it's the only thing that makes sense to me rn.
No.578552
>>578383screencapped to repost when he dies >:)
No.578557
>>578430My bet is that they don't want to give an inch, since Prigo said he did this to purge the MoD. it would be a show of weakness and make it look like PMCs can start shit in Russia and get cabinet changes out of it. No matter if Shoigu even is objectively the shitties and worst man for the position, they cant sack him.
No.578562
>>578547anon that's dumb
90% RAF did it and it's a perfectly logical thing to do if you have coup forces headed to your capital
10% Prigozhin did it as a false flag
No.578566
>>578562When they got blown up like Prigo said Wagner wasn't in the process of couping anyone, they were just fighting in Ukraine.
No.578571
>>578547I think they just made it up. (or it was Ukraine.)
No.578575
>>578566Oh, I might be stupid.
If you're talking about the initial claim, that was almost certainly a fake pretext by Prigozhin lol. The only proof was a crappy video of nothing happening in the middle of nowhere with one guy laying around.
About on par with Ukrainian "proofs" of warcrimes.
No.578579
>>1511293
>So we have to introduce martial law, we have to announce new waves of mobilisation, we have to get everyone we can producing ammunition.
fuck this may actually have been a psyop all along. that's what i thought at first but then sizzle gang and all the both-sidists and nafo trolls convinced me to buy into it and lose sleep. now i wake up (late) and it's over and prigozler is demanding martial law and mobilize (the very thing i thought the psyop might be for). Damn, if so bravo. They really sold it.
imagine the outcome of this all winds up being russia mobilizes sufficiently to actually win.
No.578582
>>578579that spiel is from May
No.578590
>>578586Liberal mask slipping after all the pretending they have principles is always worth a smirk.
But those that feels smug towards liberals, because they actually have some themselves, need to be reminded that liberals achieved hegemony for a reason.
No.578594
>>578586Wasn't it funny to see us communists do the exact same thing but inverted?
No.578598
>>578594Not really, since you made that part up.
No.578602
>>578594Whataboutism concern trolling fed post
No.578610
>>578594So show me his body.
No.578629
>>578602I don't get it.
>Wagner rightoids are good when they're on our side<Wagner rightoids are bad when they go against our sideLiberals and Z-gang use the same reasoning. I'm not even saying it's bad, it's just ruthless pragmatism which comes naturally in conflicts like this.
>Whataboutismreddit word
No.578633
>>578626Mutiny began and ended.
No.578637
all this was a psyop for Putin setting up Luka as his successor
Union State ascending Patriots in control trust the plan
No.578641
I called that Prig would be exiled. With Wagner dissolved into the MoD, I'd call this a pyhrric Putin win, he was trying to do this for a while. I don't think Prig is going to get polonium tea'd unless he talks too much (a real possibility), his armed base is no more, he looks like a cuck especially is Shoigu stays. He's just a wealthy crank now, in Belarus to boot. No need to waste perfectly good polonium.
No.578650
>>578629Despite the shitposting, nobody actually things Wagner are "good".
No.578655
>>578645I really hate that cunt
No.578670
>>578645Reminder that her husband was the foreign and national defense minister of Poland during the pre-PiS years, that really contextualizes her worldview and what she writes.
No.578681
I wonder what the threat was that made prigo back down. It must have been really fucking scary to make him flee the country and accept no concessions. He literally had the capital in his hands and every force sent to stop him except the Chechens had surrendered.
No.578686
>>578645liberal "Historians" everybody.
No.578692
>>578681They put Lukashenko on the phone with him and he came back a different 👨
No.578697
>>578681I think he found out that his assumed supporters in the state apparatus were not as solid as he thought, which made him question the viability of a coup, and in that indecision he decided to not risk it.
No.578702
>>578629The /ukraine/-multipolarista-zigga position was always that Wagner can be tolerated as long as it is incidentally on the side of multipolarity in Ukraine and Africa
Liberals have been saying Wagner is ontologically evil because of a jpeg of some bald dude with SS tattoos, and if you have four people and a nazi at a table you have five nazis etc
Not really the same
No.578717
>>578681Prigozhin was planning to flee the country from the start because this whole charade was a plan to retire from the war while getting favorable deals for the PMC and forcing a military leadership purge.
No.578722
>>578655>I really hate that cuntNeoconservatism turns people into awful individuals. There's not a war on a non-Western nation that Anne won't apologize for as a battle for liberal democracy. For these people, their transition from bullying very backward 'rogue states' to pushing anti-Russian/Chinese containment is going to cause a reckoning. The slide into that despite Cold War victory represents the complete transformation of liberalism to the logic of global bourgeois dictatorship that divides the world at will to protect 'democracy', i.e. global exploitation.
No.578731
>>578727Lmao kek were ukrops actually baited into a heckin offensyiv?
No.578736
Lukashenka and Prigoshin joining forces seems promising.
No.578741
>>578712He was at the Oka river when they surrendered
No.578746
>>578736>Lukashenka and Prigoshin joining forces seems promising.Prigo leads a post-war coup to form the union state under Luka
No.578752
>>578722does it turn them into cunts or were they attracted to Neo conservatism because they're horrible cunts to begin with 🤔
No.578757
>>578722>Neoconservatism turns people into awful individuals.How do you know it's not awful people being attracted to awful ideologies?
No.578762
>>578741The army let him pass all the way there from Rostov without doing anything?
No.578778
>>578767>ideas create individualsLiberalism to me is like blood in the water for a shark.
No.578783
>>578762There were brief firefights in Voronezh before the city surrendered. Wagner shot down 3+ helicopters on their march north and a plane. The MOD soldiers would surrender quickly because it was mostly police and national guard.
No.578789
>>578645lmao she jumped on this so quick when no one outside of Russia/Belarus could be sure of what was actually happening. Western journalism, folks.
No.578795
>>578783Damn, I thought all the brief fighting took place much closer to the Ukrainian border.
No.578810
Cucktin looks incredibly weak after all this. What part of the army seizes power first and puts tanks on Moscows streets?(One Post IP)
No.578814
>>578783No evidence of the three helicopters
No.578820
>>578702Unless they're Ukrainian ofc.
No.578825
>>578814Not going to dig through all the vids and statements. I've been obsessively following this shit like all night and all day.
No.578830
>>578825Whole lot of words for "I pulled it from my ass"
No.578835
>>578795Yeah there was sporadic fighting all the way north. Nothing like a real battle or anything that seemed to last more than 30 minutes.
No.578841
Imagine being the parents of Russian soldiers killed by Wagner.
No.578846
>>578810Uh oh. Glowie got found out.
No.578851
today I will remind them
>>578661 No.578857
>>578661That's like, just Blanquism, dude.
No.578862
>>578846Not necessarily. There might be a persistent ban evader.
No.578868
>>578862or someone posting from a public wifi in a mcdonalds bathroom or something
No.578878
I guess we'll know if this was all maskirovka if wagner end up on the Belarussian front of Ukraine a few weeks from now
No.578882
You can tell posters on here are getting desperate because they think Lukashenko is the saving grace for Russia's internal problems(One Post IP)
No.578897
>>578882Hello Agent Morales
No.578910
>>5786611) How can you prove that he truly wanted a coup and it wasn't just that he expected wagner to get dissolved anyways so he tried to get some leverage?
2) a couple thousand armed men with tanks and shit is not a small force (especially in a country that's already waging a war), good luck organizing one in a first world country
3) wdym of course a party is possible to create you dingus and no you're not some fucking solid snake type figure, go join a communist party and make it a mass thing or shut the fuck up.
No.578924
>>578661No. What happened is that nobody wanted to escalate and live with through the consequences.
No.578930
>>578882>You can tell posters on here are getting desperate because they think Lukashenko is the saving grace for Russia's internal problemsI doubt Luka acting as a neutral party means he is going to solve an internal crisis nowhere in sight.
No.578935
I wish sabocat had a blog or something, I'd give him all my rubles
No.578939
Can you idiots stop posting hot Lukashenko.
I come to this thread to yell at retards, and I can't do that while my dick is diamonds.
No.578944
ВАГНЕРА = БАНДЕРА
No.578953
So does this take the #1 place of the most retarded event of this war or was there something else even dumber that I'm forgetting?
No.578957
>>578935I want Sabo and Intbrig to run a podcast
No.578962
>>578953Does actually launching a counter-offensive and losing most of your Leopard 2's count?
No.578967
>(One Post IP)
Mods do realize this is supposed to be an anonymous imageboard, right? They realize VPNs exist and people don't want to put their home IP addresses on their server, right? Although it kind of does make sense that you're literally not allowed to even post in this thread if you're not one of the "Z gang" regulars.(One Post IP)
No.578971
>>578967Seeth and cope fed
No.578983
u just know zelensky was creaming his pants at this little glimmer of hope just for it to be taken away. it's the little things
No.578987
>>578953ziggas promising to nuke Kiev because Dugin's daughter got killed was pretty funny
No.578992
>>578939Nope. Take out your dick and start jacking off to daddy luka
No.579002
>>578987Nuke Lvov, and I still agree with this
No.579007
Damn, this thread is moving unexpectedly slow. Real nothingburger hours.
No.579011
>>579007abz blew their load and slunk back into the abyss
No.579020
>>579016Father… I kneel (while hiding my raging hardon)
No.579025
>>579016Stop making my dick hard
No.579031
>>579007>counteroffsensyv fizzled>wagner rebellion fizzled>cucktin never even sizzled in the first placefuck I can't believe I have to go back to work on monday
No.579036
>>578645Gotta keep that perfectly wrong track record.
No.579041
>>578967>Although it kind of does make sense that you're literally not allowed to even post in this thread if you're not one of the "Z gang" regulars.Judging by this statement I'm inclined to believe you're one of the spamming shitposters and don't contribute in any way to the discussion and want to hide from the previous abhorrent shitposts you made. You're welcome to disprove this, otherwise STAY BUTTMAD /K/OPER.
No.579056
>>579046He was no doubt
appearing weak when he was strong.
No.579060
>>579046>source: Sun Tzu personnal diaryI hecking love history
No.579064
>>579046>almost entire army killed or capturedGod damn
No.579071
>>579064The meme of Chinese military history where every battle is a massive extinction event has truth to it.
No.579075
>>579053hello fren, what did you post
No.579079
>>579053truly, they need to lurk moar if they are posting glowshit
No.579083
>>579075I didn't post anything, I'm making fun of people whining about the bans lol.
No.579088
Close shave by Cucktin there, but the man is nothing if not a reliable cockblock of /isg/ spectacles.
I notice here a distinct lack of "leftist" chatter concerning "anti-imperialism" and "vatniks." I guess /k/ope are holding consolation sessions about having to return to the grim blunderoffensyiv.
No.579091
>>578681>I wonder what the threat was that made prigo back down.It seems it may have been a carrot rather than a stick. MoD is 'restructuring'.
No.579102
Kasyrov
https://t.me/s/RKadyrov_95I thought some people could be trusted. That they sincerely love their Motherland as real patriots to the marrow of their bones. But it turned out that for the sake of personal ambitions, benefits and because of arrogance, people can not give a damn about affection and love for the Fatherland.
I talked with Prigozhin, urging him to leave his business ambitions and not mix them with matters of national importance. I thought that he heard me, but it turns out that this anger in him has only grown all this time. A chain of unsuccessful deals in entrepreneurship caused a hidden and long-lasting resentment in the businessman, which reached a peak when the authorities of St. Petersburg did not provide his daughter with the desired land. The arrogance of one person could lead to such dangerous consequences and draw a large number of people into the conflict.
I call on all PMC fighters to continue to be sober in their decisions. Think about the future of the country, about your families and children. Such actions can lead to disastrous results. Now everything ended peacefully, without bloodshed, but it could happen. The extreme measure would be the harsh suppression and destruction of anyone who encroaches on the integrity of the Russian Federation.
No.579105
>>579060Paper wasn't even invented at the time. Writing on stone, turtle shell or bamboo are some of the only ways records could have survived. If someone had bamboo scrolls buried with them they weren't ordinary people to begin with.
No.579113
>>579095It would have been funnier if Prigozhin was adopted by Kadyrov instead of Luka, but only on condition that he converts to Islam
Kadyrov, his Big Son Ramzan, and his other Big Son Prigozhin
No.579123
>>578579Should have just trusted me when I told you he was a musician in an orchestra son ;)
No.579134
>>579102Soap opera shit. It's like the war is being microblogged on tumblr.
No.579138
>>579127he did say that though
No.579150
>>579138А сам Пригоджин чем в 80-90е занимался?
No.579170
>>579162All Communists Are Based
No.579175
Wagner twitter timeline:
June 22: nazi murderers and war criminals
June 23: heckin wholesome freedom fighters
June 24: nazi murderers and war criminals
No.579178
>>579158Has it actually been established that Shoigu is bad?
No.579182
>>579178No, its just NAFO looking for cracks
No.579193
why launch the coup now? does he see the end of the the Ukraine crisis on the horizon?
No.579198
>>579166серьёзно
а в 80-х он сидел, короче он не из обоймы выстреливших на прихватизации успешных менеджеров (но с криминалом 100% был замешан)
No.579202
>>579166I doubt that prigozhin would say such a thing for a different reason than getting support, but are you trying to say that someone cannot have these views just because he wasn't an active communist in the past (or ever)? That's fucking idiotic.
No.579225
I didn't pay too much attention to all this so if anybody has some pictures of priz in rostov on the don so I can plaster send more shells shoigu all over them?
No.579229
>>579198лол пиздец, как он вообще в кремле место нашёл.
No.579233
>>579229he ain't called putin's chef for nothing
No.579242
How is Putin going to repair the damage of all the shit that just happened?
No.579245
>>579237I've no idea, I would like to know the game where you can place a battleship turret on an MT-LB too
No.579253
>>579242While Prigozhin was marching on Moscow, Ukraine decided to attack and look what happened
>>578727 No.579256
>>579210this war is breaking my brain. the private corporate mercenaries are being welcomed as liberators. why?
No.579266
>>579256They had actual PR while Russian MoD pretended they're specially operating and kept the hype to a minimum so as not to rock the boat, that's about it
No.579270
>>579266Unrelated but since this whole affair will create western media articles about the instability of the Russian state, what's your opinion on its stability
No.579275
>>578882nah we just love luka
No.579278
>whining about "Z gang"
>absolute dogshit posts
>(One Post IP)
That really puts the cortex in a vortex.
No.579282
>>579256Does China count as "periphery" anymore?
No.579285
The U.S. is set to delay new sanctions on Russian paramilitary group Wagner after its founder and leader launched an uprising against the Kremlin, people familiar with the matter said Saturday, fearing a delay could inadvertently help President Vladimir Putin.
“Washington does not want to appear to be taking sides in this,” a person familiar with the postponement said.
The State Department had planned to announce new designations on Wagner’s gold business in Africa on Tuesday, including on a mining operation set up by the group in the Central African Republic, these people said.
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-wagner-prigozhin-putin/card/u-s-to-delay-new-sanctions-on-wagner-for-fear-of-siding-with-putin-j1EeoFqeLaWE2tO4m6uY No.579288
>>579253Still, this must be a disaster for morale and Putins support.
No.579293
>>579250I'm on the same page as you. I think that one can call pre-khruschev ussr socialist/communist only in the sense that it was striving towards communism. I think that it was highly unlikely that either ussr or china could actually reach lower-stage communism.
No.579301
>>579270Honestly after this whole affair I don't even know anymore, let's wait and see if Putin actually does any shakeups in the MoD. I mean there is still 0% risk of a liberal color revolution or anything, but it'll show how capable Putin is to break with the ossified remains of 90s elites
No.579305
>>579253Yeah the russian defence is competent but what about the russian government? Putin said earlier that Prigozhin would be punished by the law but now he's free, and that didn't happen because of Putin's efforts but the foreigner Lukashenko. That's for sure not a good thing
No.579314
>>579288Putin cucking isn't even new. Putin swapped Azov nazis for a Ukrainian bourge and avoided targeting Ukrainian powerplants with Russian missile attacks (only substations were struck)
No.579321
>>579282>Does China count as "periphery" anymore?Here's one way of looking at it
I'm guessing it's semi-periphery but at the same time, it is changing so fast that maybe it'll redefine global capitalist relations anyway. When is the last time over a billion people developed so rapidly?
No.579325
>>579305It actually is
Really sincerely I am not playing it up like I was for our new friend NAFO fellows this time
No.579335
>>579325explain how that's a good thing
No.579351
>>579337Sir. Sir. Please put down the shotgun and step away from the barrel of fish. Sir, please, the barrel.
No.579355
>>579337NATO cock suckers rekt
No.579357
>>579335Before I answer that question are you a NAFO fella or a Zigga
No.579361
>”OOOH BOY, IT’S OVER FOR PUTIN”
<walk away from the pc for 24hrs
>”eh, it fizzled”
This news cycle is wild
No.579365
>>579361And so did this thread. Funny how they only show up to gloat only when Russia is inconvenienced.
>cheering for American foreign policy to own the zissies No.579373
>>579344I think technically it's defined by national differences in labor productivity and capital intensity
https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2019/11/14/hm2-the-economics-of-modern-imperialism/ No.579387
>>579382Maybe your priors on what their allegiance to is wrong?
No.579401
>>579382>I didn't get excited for nothing!>I'm not retarded! You're retarded!lol
lmao
Memba Jan.6? I memba.
No.579405
>>579382>shows some deep rifts in Russia's ruling class. It seems to have made Russia look unstable, not divided.
I'd say 2020 and January 6th shows what deep rifts in the ruling class looks like. That's not a country even at war besides with itself
No.579419
My Russian gf gave me a footjob after the Lukashenko deal :3
No.579438
>>579405More like made Prigozhin look unstable.
Wagner did not exist in 2014, and wasn't Putin's personal fascist Praetorian Guard, not was it a loose association of mercenary corporations. It somehow only appeared midway into last year, and restaurant porky at its head went from suing Bellingcat journalist for saying he is associated with a PMC (that did not exist, and only had a single unsourced headshot as proof) to just non-stop, terminally online shitposting. Except it's not a PMC at all, it's Russian black bag special forces, except no, it's where Russian Army rejects go to get a second chance.
No.579442
>>579430Imagine if the 6th january maga boomers had downed half a dozen black hawks and Justin Trudeau had to calm Trump on the phone…
No.579446
>>579430Jan 6 freedom fighters took control of main government building. So it was more powerful yes
No.579450
>>579442exactly, sadly liberals here would say that would be a nothing burger
No.579454
>>579446And only retards thought it would amount to anything, either.
No.579458
>>579446Copium has caused lethal brainrot.
No.579462
>>579382>Why are people acting like this was a nothing burger tho? That's just the social media discourse of "owning" each other. Hopefully we'll get a glimpse of what was going on behind the curtain in the following days or weeks. Rybar is already speculating that Prigozhin actually "won", for example. But, who knows. The only thing that is for sure, is that the worst possible scenario for everyone involved would have been a full military confrontation.
So,for example, it would make sense if, assuming the events had some rooting in internal strife and weren't a full psyop, that the factions were playing chicken,relentlessly escalating and matching each other, brinksmanship with the integrity of the state and, *someone* lost the race and slammed the breaks first.
No.579466
>>579450There were people with ziplock ties in the burger senate looking for them
I don't care why they did it, it was beautiful
No.579471
>>579454It could have amounted to at least Pelosi being hanged. But sadly no fun happened bcuz Trump cucked out in the final moment
No.579476
>>579446>took controlThey literally smeared shit on the walls took selfies and then left. And then got all arrested (and served mostly fines lol) by the feds, not absorbed into the armed forces.
No.579479
Pretty crazy happenigns, so the ukronazis must have made some pretty incredible gains amidst all that shit yesterday right guys? Right?
No.579486
>>579458Just stating the facts and events that happened that day tho
No.579494
>>579476Absolute chads. They scared the shit out of politicians who never worked a day of their life lel
No.579497
>>579430I said January 6th demonstrated a divided ruling class, Wagner mutiny did not.
Keep in mind January 6th was the president of the US leading a protest at the legislature over certifying election results. Wagner didn't actually represent a government fighting itself, Wagner is a state proxy
No.579502
>>579479apparently the line didnt even budge. a probing offensyiv was hastily attempted but had no success.
No.579515
>>579494>>579508they captured nancy pelosi's laptop, but the person who took it tried to sell it like a dumbass rather than attempting to leak everything that was on it and was subsequently caught in the act.
No.579521
>>579494>Absolute chads.They were petty bourgeoise fascists.
>>579497>I said January 6th demonstrated a divided ruling class, Wagner mutiny did not. No I guess it only made a large portion of the ruling class literally shit themselves and high tail it out of Moscow before cutting a deal to keep power. Totally not some major rift going on, especially when the military meant to stop this force just, you know let all by.
No.579530
>>579515Yeah, they were a fucking idiot. If they actually cared about getting that shit out, they should have beelined for Miami, commandeered a boat to Cuba and turned it over at the Russian embassy
No.579534
>>579521How are we discussing whether Wagner represented a divided ruling class if no part of it sided with Prigozhin?
No.579538
>>579521>They were petty bourgeoise fascistscope
No.579543
>>579534We have no info on any of this yet, so its pointless to argue, but what we can see is that there was something going on within the leadership of Russia in the last 24 hours, and that itself cannot just be written off as some minor event.
>>579538What were they then? Enlighten us.
No.579548
>>579534lower capital fascists vs lower and higher capital fascists
No.579552
>>579521>Totally not some major rift going on, especially when the military meant to stop this force just, you know let all by.My god, the dumb libtards repeating this dumb point all day. This situation ended with potentially no one getting killed (imaginary helecopters and airstrikes no one has footage of not-withstanding) and you're trying to take a victory lap of:
>Why didn't Putler just bomb Rostov to the ground! So weak!Btw:
>gachimuchiThis is bloodgasm using a new flag isn't it?
No.579557
>>579538They kinda were. Some of them anyway, the boomers not so much
No.579561
>>579538haz just dropped a new substack, shouldn't you be reading that instead of shitting up this board?
No.579566
>>579543>What were they then? Enlighten uspeople fighting against glowie takeover of gubermint
No.579570
>>579561thanks for the info
No.579578
>>579574yeah bro trust me only 10 people was in capitol
source :my ass
No.579583
>>579574Most of those are prole and below lol.
No.579591
>>579583I just read the article and the guy writing it is one of those retards trying to push the PMC meme
No.579599
>>579552You should be honored that bloodgasn took the time off from his day of watching 18 hours of video essays about the marxism of puss in boots to grace us zigga proles with his presence
No.579603
>>579587See capitol attackers were mostly prols compared to bay of pigs. Told ya
No.579616
>>579521>They were petty bourgeoise fascists. Preferred local term is "based anti-imperialists".
No.579620
>>579603If you count cops as proles, I guess.
No.579624
ceo of proles
No.579628
>>579616When has anyone on this board called the Ukrainians anti-imperialists?
No.579632
>>579578Sure, cops, jailers, dealers, CEOs and owners of the world unite!
No.579640
>>579552Ok then, so by this logic, since no one died, i guess nothing happened? Totally uneventful 24 hours. C'mon, you guys aren't that bright here but you can't be this stupid to eat up this bullshit.
>Why didn't Putler just bomb Rostov to the ground! So weak!Why would he? That would just cause everything they feared would happen if they did not appease Wagner. So they quickly capitulated.
>>579599I like to check in on the common rabble from time to time.
No.579648
>>579640>appease Wagner. So they quickly capitulated.>I'll let you go with your freedom if you surrender now>Appeasement.I guess to a degree sure. Wouldn't say Wagner got anything out of today they didn't have yesterday.
No.579653
>>579636I agree, and anyone who disagrees is coping massively. That being said, the fact that it is made up mostly of proles is irrelevant, as pretty much every mass of people will be made up "mainly" of proles. If you don't analyze the actual interests of the action, then you are just like Grillpilled arguing that Euromaidan was good because it was "mostly working class"
No.579666
>>579648Well we will see. I mean its either Priz cut the best deal in the world or he's the stupidest man with a death warrant on his head in a den of vipers he just pissed off mighty bad.
No.579670
>>579662Because /isg/ retards won't leave and they are legitimately incapable of thinking of anything outside of their retarded american sideshows
No.579674
>>579662Because Jan 6 was a more successful coup than this nothingburger.
No.579678
>>579674It wasn't even a coup, it was a protest movement for more shells for the frontlines
I suspect without evidence that it was quite succesful
No.579682
>>579662I brought it up specifically to counter the accusation that we would be creaming ourselves over civil unrest in the West. Because it was just as irrelevant as Prigo's stunt.
I don't why others took it to mean anything else, they're retarded. Also /isg/ and /USApol/ are the only two containment threads on the board.
No.579691
>>579657Cope and defelction. I thought communists stood for prols and not idpol. Guess I was wrong
No.579695
>>579628>When has anyone on this board called the Ukrainians anti-imperialists?Ironically Euromaidan was an early form of right wing populism
>>579653>If you don't analyze the actual interests of the action, then you are just like Grillpilled arguing that Euromaidan was good because it was "mostly working class"My understanding is the Ukrainian nationalists are more proletarian than the liberals they worked with
No.579699
*deflection
No.579702
>>579657NOOO I WILL ONLY SUPPORT PROLS WHO ARE ATHIEST INTELLECTUALS NOO
No.579712
>>579691Communists stand for communism. And proles are the only means to achieve it. Doesn't mean proles get to have a bit of reaction as a treat.
No.579716
So just to repeat for our vast audience
The ukranian Nazis offensyivs under the demand on the washington Nazis has not moved forward an inch in all during this happening
No.579719
>>579716They were truly mogged by Prizzy's sideshow. That's for sure.
No.579723
>>579691They might have been proles but it wasn't a prole movement or organization. It's not actually part of the contradiction of labor and capital, it sort of is since this is about globalization and the destruction of the petit bourgeoisie or proletarianization. But the that contradiction manifested in terms of urban and rural more than class
No.579727
>>579712>Doesn't mean proles get to have a bit of reaction as a treat.But boss I have two weddings to attend, one for a workmate
Should I cancel them?
No.579731
There is some posters here who cannot break from the liberal conditioning that have ingrained in their head by western psychological warfare in media. They have it ingrained in them that January 6 was an even that is unrivaled and one of worst days in human history. Even when they try to separate from idea a little they still have to look down upon it harshly because haven't shed their liberalism yet. To others it's just a random event of regards protesting(stop derailing >>>/usapol/)
No.579737
>>579731tbh I don't care about that, it's just funny to see people here who say that J6 was a fascist coup but Euromaidan was not
No.579741
>>579719I actually assumed it was маскировка the entire time, the rest was fun posting turns out I was slightly wrong per →
>>579678 No.579745
>>579530you cant take boats directly to cuba from florida. that was an obama era policy that was overturned by trump i think. you have to go to canada or mexico and then fly.
No.579749
>>579737Who is a poster who said maiden isn't a fascist coup here.
No.579753
>>579734This is literally what Grillpilled believes
No.579757
>>579745If you have a gun, you can go anywhere you want
No.579765
>>579749Grillpilled, Lear, several /isg/ooners
No.579769
>>579712kek
>prols should be a monolith>t.enlightened communist No.579773
Don't let the liberal media trick you into thinking business owners are not proles
No.579777
>>579773Next they will tell us kulaks are not peasants
No.579781
>>579741 (me)
To keep the conversation moving along and flowing
I know everything tankanon knows about wagner and it is accurate, go do the research instead of wasting our time
I assumed priz was under more discipline, because I forgot for a moment he was a civilian
No.579785
>>579773If you go by that measure there are no prols in developed countries since many own shares and own small business ? Its over ?
No.579798
>>579789Ehh no wonder prols hate you lol
No.579803
>>579798The opinions of Westerners is irrelevant to me.
No.579811
>>579807What about people who work and own shares + small business
No.579815
>>579811That's less than ten percent of the population and most are probably uberized contractors who are virtually wage workers with added precarity
No.579820
>>579811Petite booj. The footsoldiers of fascism. Also, more than half of American workers are in debt and have less than 500 dollars in savings. To say "no prols in developed countries since many own shares and own small business" betrays your own experience and class character, rather than reflect a reality.
No.579824
>>579734>>579753Many are proles. Ukraine is very poor. Svoboda vote was pretty proletarian if I remember right
No.579828
As long as things are properly derailed, why was the Belarussian SSR so much more based? Luka was supposedly the only deputy to vote against dissolution at the Belovezha Accords and while they were happening, the Belarussian KGB surrounded the estate and were going to fuck up the traitors but Moscow told them to stand down
No.579831
I was mostly following yesterday's events on 2ch and man russian nationalists love their fucking conspiracy theories almost more than 4channers do.
No.579834
>>579419alright, calm down hinkle
No.579838
>>579781 (me)
I assume the chess masters keeping track already know this
but the funny thing is Priz is indeed under military discipline and just went for this anyway fortunately he hasn't been executed as a mutineer thanks to the intervention of comrade LukashenkoFor those who just still get it in their gut, where in the west can a communist intervene to save the life of a mutineer doing what he thought was right No.579842
>>579838*still don't
My apologies, I should proof read more
No.579847
>>579534probably fair to assume majority of military wants him gone asap but there's no way he's still alive after this weekend without important backing from figures in putin's circle or other siloviki networks, maybe oligarchs who've been sidelined & see prigo as an opportunity. to contrast prigo's antics getting kid gloves treatment, kadyrov had 1 rant on telegram & got neutered, disappeared for awhile and gained like 50 pounds.
igor sechin is widely seen as very close to putin but who knows, he offered to sponsor wagner back in march & last week complained that russia needs to export way more oil. same could be true for gennady timchenko, maybe there are rifts between him & putin now. bunch of other oligarchs have different pmcs, not sure if theyre affected as well by the new order mandating mercs fall under russian mod or they're growing restless with putin, russian military, some broad aspect to the war that's fucking their money/power up.
who knows, everything is too strange & publicly embarrassing for the gov if this was just a feint or op, especially prigo walking free for now & would be a total 180 from the gradual approach to attrition warfare. although at the same time youd think maybe if truly genuine, it wouldve been more of a shitshow with more deaths. id guess this is another case of putin mediating mobbed up factions. also some parallels to the siloviki wars in 2007-2008 when no one knew what was gonna happen at the end of putin's term.
too soon to say. details in the future may give us better ideas. i really doubt prigozhin is able to pull this off on his own. maybe surkov is still on retainer somewhere ghostwriting all of this
No.579851
>>579847I mean it's not an issue to give him some tea later, why would they get rid of him instantly?
No.579855
>>579753The real question that's burning up the internets is whether Putin is too woke or whether that's Prigozhin.
No.579862
>>579851its just very odd to be singled out as a traitor by putin (if not explicitly named) only to end up with passage to belarus mediated by an old ally of putin. would be interesting to see broadcast coverage in russia of the aftermath. also interesting that cto got rolled back.
No.579866
>>579862It is a weird situation for sure, maybe the play here is to watch him for now. If he runs away from Belarus though that would be crazy.
No.579870
fizzlegang wins again
No.579877
Fizzlegang always wins yet sizzlegang never apologizes. Curious.
No.579881
The whole thing was kayfabe and Prigozhin was the heel.
No.579885
>>579828Belarusian identity became a lot more tied up with the USSR than other republics due in large part to how much they suffered in WW2. If they had been an independent country at the time, they would have lost proportionally more people than anybody else, around a quarter of their whole population. They had more reason than most to see the USSR as the source of their national salvation.
No.579890
Is there a reason the /ukraine/ thread template is such both-sides seething dogshit? I figured it would be corrected after one slip through the cracks, but it persists.
No.579894
>>579838>I assume the chess masters keeping track already know thisI think the 50-move rule kicked in sometime during the Bakhmut attrition shit.
No.579902
>>579595DailyKos was great reading when Bush was in office and much midnight oil was spent on lamenting the Iraq hoax and even American imperialism in general. Being young and dumb, I had no idea that such 'stellar' progressives/liberals would change their tune as soon as their guy got in.
No.579906
>>578156Goddammit, this isn't Deng. This is Patrick Bateman Chinese doppelganger.
No.579913
>>579890Most of the thread is full of glowoids
No.579917
>>579910Good. We ought to reverse engineer these wunderwaffens just like the old times.
No.579929
>>579902My feelings exactly. I used to read alternet and daily kos. Can't pay attention to lib media even it's alternative progressive forms anymore. All it took was a crisis of globalization for them to turn into mindless shills for international capitalism. Left and right populism in the core + stagnated liberal expansion in the periphery = today's brain broken liberal
It happend under Obama's second term. I blame Syria especially with Russian intervention and the refugee crisis then Trump/Brexit.
But when neocons were waging the clash of civilizations with Islam? Libs could be totally different, capable of reflecting on what kind of international order America holds up and how liberal it really is
No.579933
>>579902the berniebro purges of 2016 were something at that place. it hasn't been worth looking at in a long time.
No.579937
>>579933The sad part is Bernie is only 10% less imperialist than someone like Hillary Clinton so wtf was the point lol.
No.579941
>>579870>>579877I was full fizzlegang when it started, but then when prigozhin was in rostov i said I was wrong and that sizzle gang was right, now I regret doing so. damn.
No.579945
>>579881I said that two threads ago and was called a conspiracy theorist but it makes so much sense.
No.579962
>>579347it looks like Bidens trying so hand not to smile lmao does anyone else see this?
No.579966
Last thread was pretty funny. Both siders creaming their pants and soyfacing that "its the end of Ziggers" only for a fizzle
why are both siders always wrong?
No.579972
>>579966Reality has a Marxist bias.
No.579977
Yeltsin not going through with the Union state back in 1999 and leaving things to cucktin was a mistake. Based luka as usual
No.579984
>>579966Yes pmcs rebelling, taking over cities, shooting down allied aircraft and threatening to walk on the capital happen all the time and to the best of us, surely this is a nothingburger
No.579988
>>579890It's some cretin that posts around ironically that nothing matters until it affects him personally. At least I hope it's ironic.
No.580005
>>579966the funny thing is most of us probably won't even remember this happened, next year
No.580013
>>580001hold on let me boot up Arma and fraps
No.580022
>>580010Tekken endings are peak kino.
Bryan never killed anyone btw
No.580026
>>579702Yes, fucker. Are socialists in the Middle East supposed to support all those "proles" (downwardly mobile middle class) that are pro-ISIS, pro female genital circumcison and prayed for Total Christian Death? Fuck this reactionary populism shit
No.580030
Did I just get psy-oped? The psychology of psyops–or rather the suspicion that one got psyoped, that uncertainty itself exploitable as a psyop– is a subject of fascination .
The thing about psyops is that if indeed it was the case that one was the recipient of psychological warfare, the scheme to which one was exposed should be reverse engineerable from the mental consequences it imposed. That is to say, a successful psyop has an intented effect, which is one''s current mental state, as the victim. Though psyops function to exacerbate the victim's ignorance, a perceptive individual can notice an increase in their ignorance, in the same way that one might notice the ambient light in a room decrease as the sun sets. A perceptive individual, once they doubt the received wisdom, can then with effort carefully deduce the entire chain of processes which resulted in that assassination attempt on their consciousness. The evidence is in their minds, much like the bullet casing is on the murder scene.
No.580038
It's crazy how quickly this entire thing resolved in 24 hours and now the threads are almost just as slow now as before the "happening" lmao.
No.580040
>>580038Yeah, really makes you think.
No.580046
>>580038happening isn't over, as more shit emerges activity will be back up again.
No.580050
my pet theory is the 6.2 billion americans announced missing went to prigozhin for his coup, then he decided to go retire in belarus lol
No.580052
This is probably the end for the PMC experiment in Russia.
also
>Wagner crisis brought people together, rallied support for Putin, DPR leader says
>Denis Pushilin noted that this applied to both pro-government and opposition parties
Russia more united than ever.
No.580054
>RU counteroffensive continues – Sinkovka is captured. This might be a grey zone village however
>There is to be a meeting between Putin and military leaders on the 26 June
No.580057
>>580043Do you have the original pic?
No.580060
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1672728662221676547>OMG I LOVE CHILDREN PUTTING THEIR LIVES AT RISK FOR NOTHINGWestoids, are you okay ?
No.580065
>>580060>unironically posting visegradAre YOU okay?
No.580071
>>580060false flagging rightoid
No.580073
Prigozhin is exiled to Belarus and Wagner is disbanded (as was already signed into law by Putin for them to be absorbed by the MoD by July 1st, but now all the mercs who participated can no longer be contracted by the MoD) in exchange for 15 Russian soldiers' lives who were downed from a couple helicopters and transport plane.
No.580074
>>580038/k/ope, /uhg/, NAFO, and (to our chagrin) some sanctimonious leftists are like the opposite of fair-weather friends: bad-weather enemies. They're too embarrassed to show their faces except for three days at a time every two months when things look inconvenient for Russia. Hard to gloat when it's back to the status quo of Cucktin's attrition war and Ukraine's Groundhog Day counteroffensyiv.
No.580078
>>579917Yeah but not to produce them, just put all its specs online.
No.580080
>>578661The hardest part is to organize IRL without gathering attention of [spoiler]psychiatrists[/spoiler] the state
No.580083
>>578924we would want to tho. And on the good side - wed have at least 1 or 2 supporters in other cities.
On the bad one - we dont have T-90s
No.580085
donate weapons here! Totally for Ukraine
yes yes, indeed. No F-35s tho.
No.580087
Does Prig get bumped off in Belarus? I'm usually cocky with my predictions, but this one is a hard read.
No.580088
https://www.youtube.com/live/Fqw3gWMARRQ?feature=shareA Russian liberal informant
The usual liberal brain of course, but some useful information nevertheless
No.580090
>>579966I mean this doesn’t seem like it is over anyway.
No.580092
>>580087I think he will be okay, I guess we cant know unless it happens.
No.580094
>>580087Luka will not put his own name in the dirt
No.580096
>>580050He just had to start marching into Moscow so the wire transfer would clear.
No.580102
>>579250Socialist until Gorbachev
Communist until Khrushchev
Marxist until Stalin
No.580104
>>580102Excuse me? What was that last one?
No.580106
>>579250>>"The USSR was socialist until Gorbachev's dissolution in 1991.">>"The USSR was socialist until Khrushchev's secret speech."Both of these are true.
No I will not elaborate.
No.580112
>>578661This just shows that USSR 2 is possible
No.580118
>>580117wow he's literally me :)
No.580121
>>580108>Joseph Stalin>Lev TrotskyRight there.
No.580123
>>580121Neither are, but at least Stalin was a genuine Communist
No.580126
>>580123An ultra position. Those tasked with actually implementing, rather than theorizing are better Marxists than the theorists.
No.580130
>>580125Nobel Peace Prize when?
No.580132
>>580130*Stalin Peace Prize
Nobels are for bourgeois swines.
No.580134
>>580126"Ultra" or "Left-Communism" is the historical opposition to Lenin
No.580136
>>580132Imagine how much libs minds would explode if there was a powerful socialist country that handed out the "Stalin Peace Prize".
No.580141
>>580138Here is a riddle for "Stalinists", if the CPSU was Marxist until his passing, how come it was immediately overrun by his close associates and unpologetic opportunists of the likes of Khrushchev? Lenin died prematurely during the course of a civil war, but Stalin had decades to set things straight. Even Furr in his "Khrushchev Lied" book admits this was an issue among the party well before then.
No.580143
>>580117But it's not even a tank!
No.580145
>have six helis and an expensive surveillance plane destroyed>pardon the man responsible for itLMAO
And also LMAO @ the audacity to paint this as a Russian victory.
>>579337Putin will punish the traitors after the war is over, if he lives, otherwise he triggers another mutiny.
No.580148
>>580141>immediately overrun Was not, took 30 years to ruin it.
No.580153
I think being an Ultra comes down to just wanting to be a debatebro, they pick the "side" which only requires them memorise and regurgitate quotes to win internet debates, the problem they have with AES leaders is that they couldn't solely rely on the theory to implement Marxism in their nations that were often far less developed than what Marx had imagined. It's hard to defend pragmatic and practical decisions made by actual revolutionaries and people who actually built Socialist nations, but it's easy to criticise them if you treat nation building like a college debating society by throwing academic quotes at the problem.
That's the reason why Ultras will never achieve anything, they're just too scared to think for themselves and be responsible for their own actions and theories, everything needs to be restricted to specifically what Marx wrote and because he is still the highest authority (and ultimately the responsible one) for revolution even when he has been dead for well over a century now. One presumes he would have stopped writing if a communist nation actually rose in his lifetime, since his previous works leaves no question about implementation unanswered, right? The point where Marx passed away and where he stopped writing is pure coincidence I am sure.
No.580155
>>580141How come the SDP was immediately over run by opportunists after the passing of Marx and Engels?
The quality of being "Marxist" doesn't protect an institution from opportunists because neither Marx or Engels had a theory for stopping that.
No.580158
>>580150Status: There are more tanks in /ukraine/ than in Ukraine.
No.580161
>>580148De-Stalinization began officially with the 20th Congress, 3 years after the death of Stalin, where was the opposition then? If the "Trosky option" was successfully avoided during the 15th Congress, not so much this time.
Only complain I have is not the Stalin "purged too much" or "not enough", but simply that in the end it made very little difference.
No.580167
>>580125Really like Wide Luka With Kalash. I mean, just look at him go.
No.580169
>>580153Try taking a look at "The civil war in France"
No.580172
>>580153Marx had no coherent theory for implementing socialism in even the most industrialised nations. He had a few notes on improvements after looking at the Paris Commune.
No.580174
>>580155the SPD was never Marxist, it always was mostly Lassallean
No.580179
>>580161Nah "destalinisation" began with the military-Khrushchevite coup after Koba died
No.580184
>>580153The problem with your bullshit theory is that ultras overwhelmingly embrace Lenin and the Bolshevik revolution, it doesn't systematically comes down to Marx and the rejection of anything "that works". You should probably study the tendency you wish to criticize beforehand.
No.580186
>>580174Motherfucker you just don't know what line struggle is.
No.580192
>>580184>overwhelmingly embrace Lenin and the Bolshevik revolutionNo they don't lol
And they just end up sounding like Trots and anarchists with the "revolution betrayed!" mentality.
Ultralefts don't want a revolution that actually succeeds and defends itself.
No.580196
>>580192>"revolution betrayed"Nowhere have I implied anything of the sort
>sounding like Trots and anarchistsNo need to be insulting
No.580198
>>580196That's what all "leftcoms" say, that the "revolution ended by 1921/1924/1928" (pick your date).
No.580200
>>580198As I initally posited
>>580102 the "revolution" ended in 1989 along with the Soviet State, you are only mad since I mentioned Stalin set himself up for failure.
No.580202
>>580198So you're telling us "leftcoms"… embrace something that worked?
No.580204
>>579237>>579245Yeah, it's ArmA III with music from Workers & Resources: Soviet Republic.
No.580207
>>580205This is so more accurate than people think
Trots are masters of entryism
They are absolutely everywhere and sometimes they cause havoc like egging glowies into assassinating social fascist politicians
Gotta admire them but dear god they scare me sometimes
No.580209
>>580207Shut up they're a good thing
No.580213
>>580202The USSR worked far better after the Five Year Plans.
>>580200Your insinuation that Stalin wasn't a Marxist won't fly here.
No.580214
>>580207A Trot just entered me.
No.580216
Oh yeah and ultralefts are also cowards since they don't want to have to defend all the icky mean things the USSR had to do.
<WAHHHHHH THE HECKING MOLOTOV RIBBENTROP PACT
<WAHHHHHH GULAG
No.580218
>>580216For the record real trots will do this, especially some of the ones you'd think wouldn't
No.580219
>>580216The Marxist thing to do was to get wiped out in 1917 instead of doing an authoritarianism.
No.580221
>>580213Have you even read his post-Lenin (like "Marxists and the National Question") works like "Dialectical and Historical Materialism"? It reads like a parody
No.580223
>>580216Who are you quoting?
No.580226
Why do Stalinists always melt down when encoutering criticism of Stalin (especially considering the only one I mentioned is that his party purging work were only half-measures) that is not some sort of Trotskyite parody?
No.580232
>>580219It's the same reason they fetishise Rosa Luxemburg
No.580234
>>580230Stalin for being the great man that he was being kind and merciful and not killing enough people.
No.580236
>>580232But Rosa Luxemburg was literally anti-Bolshevik? So again, who are you quoting if not the strawman in your head? See
>>580226 No.580238
>>580236>Rosa Luxemburg was literally anti-Bolshevikmeds
No.580240
>>580232I read a graphic novel from Verso books about Rosa and even in that she dies because they didn't follow evil authoritarian Lenin in actually planning the uprising enough to have a messenger.
No.580244
>>580236There is no meltdown you are just getting mocked for saying Stalin wasn't "Marxist".
No.580246
>>580244Where? I can only see left-com strawmen?
No.580247
>>580246The talk about left-coms was in response to this rubbish
>>580141.
No.580249
>>580236Rosa had criticisms of the bolsheviks, but she was far from their enemy.
No.580251
>>580247What does iner-party class struggle has to do with anything related to…. "Rosa Luxemburg", "Authoritorianism", "Germano-Soviet pact", or whatnot?
No.580253
>>580052>>Wagner crisis brought people together, rallied support for Putin, DPR leader says>>Denis Pushilin noted that this applied to both pro-government and opposition parties>Russia more united than ever.Big cope. People in Rostov rallied for Wagner and the general sentiment is that Putin is dragging his feet and he is too soft.
The Russian ground forces lost their dirty work storm units yesterday and the MoD convict PMC voiced support for Wagner.
No.580255
>>580251Saying that not only wasn't the CPSU Marxist but that Stalin wasn't Marxist is obviously a dumbass ultra(ultra-ultra-ultra) position.
No.580257
>>580255Okay but where is the argument? Since all of the examples of "ultra" positions you mentionned I disagree with?
No.580259
See all you people care about is meaningless ideological positioning, same outlook you have on what "Marxism" is, or relates to
No.580261
>Riddle me this "Stalinists", why did the opportunist wait for his opportunity after Stalin died to commit his opportunist revisionism hmmm?
No.580262
>>580257We aren't arguing, just mocking.
No.580264
>>580262So, crude ideological work, not theorical, and certainly not "dialectical"
No.580266
>>580264Why would you consider such idiocy was worthy of work?
No.580269
>>580266You mean the idiocy that the "Stalin" status-quo self-imploded within a few years and ended up ruining the SU? Quite the idiocy indeed
No.580272
>>580269Please enlighten us master Marxist of an example of a Marxist revolution that didn't implode.
No.580275
An ultra-leftist anarcho-liberal zionist professor and trotskyite wrecker was teaching a class on Amadeo Bordiga, a known revisionist.
"Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Bordiga and accept that he was the the greatest communist theorist the world has ever known, even greater than Lenin!”
At this moment, a brave, nationalistic Red Army tank commander who had killed 1500 Kronstadt Sailors and understood that famines happen all the time because of material conditions and fully supported all military actions by Stalin stood up and held up an AK-47.
”Who uses this weapon, ultra?”
The arrogant professor smirked quite revisionistly and smugly replied: “State capitalist imperialists, you stupid tankie”
”Wrong. It’s a weapon used by freedom fighters the world over. From the DPRK to our comrades in the Islamic Republic of Iran, this gun is a symbol of REAL AND ACTUALLY EXISTING socialist movements”
The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of The Conquest of Bread. He stormed out of the room crying those bourgeois crocodile tears. The same tears ultras cry for the “Kulaks" (who lived in such bourgeois luxury that they had bread to eat) when they jealously try to claw justly earned labour vouchers from the deserving vanguard. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, Leon Trotsky, wished he had learned the importance of dialectics and become more than a sophist leftcom professor. He wished so much that he had a gun to shoot himself in embarrassment, but his undialectic anarchist commune forbid weapons!
The students applauded and all registered CPGB-ML that day and accepted Lenin as their lord and savoir. An eagle named “The Dictatorship of the Proletariat” flew into the room and perched atop the Soviet flag and shed a tear on the chalk. Several saying were read aloud from Maos book, and Stalin himself showed up and gave them extra bread rations for a week.
The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He got arrested by the NKVD and was tossed in a Gulag for the rest of his life.
And the name of that student? Yevgeny Prigozhin
No.580277
>>580273I love how leaky the CIA is when trying to cover their ass.
No.580279
>>580275Another strawman? Keep them coming.
No.580281
>>580272But that's still not the point I am even trying to make
"Actually Existing Socialism" ended with the SU, it would be a better use of your time to ask yourself "why did it?", rather than "why should it not have?"
No.580283
>>580277Caught In the Act.
No.580285
>>580281>But that's still not the point I am even trying to makeYour point was that there was some undefinable quality of being "Marxist" that would have preserved the USSR had Stalin (or Trotsky) possessed it. As you can't actually define what this is by showing an example where a MarxistTM revolution prevailed against reaction and opportunism then you have no point except typical ultra whining.
No.580287
>>580281I'm really wishing I'd saved The People's McDonalds may may now
No.580289
>>580052Failed coup's dont happen. The more rational explanation is that they did all this as a stunt (including killing pilots and blowing up a oil reserve in voronezh) to move wagner to belarus.
WHAT THE FUCK is wrong with twitter ziggers
No.580291
>>580285Maxism is not undefinable, it's very well-defined within a well-known "body of work" by someone of the same name. It's easy to point out how the theorical works of Stalin pale in comparison with Lenin, and how it ended up influencing who he unded up entrusting the Soviet state to
>you can't actually define what this is by showing an example where a MarxistTM revolution prevailedDid Marx when he criticized the civil war in France? Marxism is not a positive theory neither is it "empirically falsifiable"
No.580293
>>580291>Maxism is not undefinable, it's very well-defined within a well-known "body of work" by someone of the same name. Strange then how Stalin tricked the majority of the worlds self-proclaimed Marxists for decades.
>It's easy to point out how the theorical works of Stalin pale in comparison with LeninBeing a lesser theoretician doesn't make one not a Marxist. Otherwise by your standard only a few dozen Marxists have existed.
>Did Marx when he criticized the civil war in France? Marx, never claimed the Commune failed due to not being advanced theoreticians. Where are your specific criticisms of Stalin that prove he wasn't a Marxist? You should be able to produce them after just whining about the lack of theoretical work put into debunking your one-liner.
No.580295
>>580052Zigger cope. Wagner won and has intimidated a great power. The only thing Russia has on its future is instability and possibly a military junta.
No.580297
>>580295There is now white ziggas (Putin) and red ziggas (Wagner).
No.580299
>>580297>There is now white ziggas (Putin) and red ziggas (Wagner)."Patriots in control" tier cope, sorry.
There is just various brightness of white.
No.580301
>>580299No, one of the Wagner tanks literally had a red Z on it.
No.580303
>>580289A fighterbomber connected channel reported six helicopters and one plane lost.
Ziggers still think it's a PSYOP.
No.580305
>>580299Then why Belarus?
No.580308
>>580303Remote controlled drones.
No.580309
>>580303Not to mention the still burning oil depot.
Sun Tzu said. "Burn some of your fuel reserves in order to trick your enemies into believing…something"
No.580311
>>580150Ukraine tried to exploit the chaos and this was the result…
No.580314
>>580301That was drawn on by angry civilians. They also wrote "Siberia" on it, aluding to the place where the mutineers may end.
No.580316
>>580305But why male models?
No.580318
>>580207You know I heard something similar from an old timer.
No.580322
>>580301Half of the UPA flag is red.
>>580305>Then why Belarus?Because Cucktin can't act against Wagner without risking more anger and possible mutinies. It's Belarus and not outside of the Moscow sphere of influence that western glowies can't reach and meddle with Wagner.
No.580324
>>580289This has literally nothing to do with what I wrote, which means you're reading a script.
No.580329
>>>/leftypol/1512613
NEW BREAD
No.580333
>>580331where does it show it being written on by civilians? lol
No.580335
>>580333It literally says Siberia. Put one and one together, faggot
No.580336
>>580335So you pulled it from your ass.
No.580338
>>580335maybe the tank crew is from Siberia? Lol
No.580348
>>580293>only a few dozen Marxists have existedyes, the point of Maxism is to find something revelant to say that has not already been said, try counting how many that makes
No.580351
>>580087Can Russia afford to lose Wagner?
No.580353
>>580351Due to the loss of efficiency the estimated time to take the next Ukrainian city has been increased to three weeks.
No.580355
Y'all cowards don't even smoke Prigozhinism
No.580357
>>580336kek, you're trembling
>>580338sure, lol
No.580360
>>579190It's so over for the yankees
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