/lgbt/ - LGBT

ahem

been working on that for years but the whole trying not to end up on the streets or kill myself thing has created some friction with getting writing and research done.

>>9272
gender is identity politics, it cannot be revolutionary by itself only allied with socialism does it get an 'elan vital'

>>9275
Identity would not exist without class. All identity politics is class politics. Unfortunately, the mythology of the general strike is not so useful to trans women. You can take a class angle with the general poverty and precarity of trans women but I think a prostitute or a struggling Uber driver is a very different myth than the typical image of the factory worker.

>>9275
>>9276
>it cannot be revolutionary by itself only allied with socialism does it get an 'elan vital'
this is stupid

communism is strictly concerned with class lol, im trans *and* an immiserated wage worker but im not a retarded larper so i dont have to pretend my struggle is the same as the overall proletarian class struggle

>struggling Uber driver
LMFAO ok i see what you are

>>9277
The overall proletarian class struggle emerges from the material struggles of the actual proletariat: men, women, racialized, disabled and so on.

>>9278
the mere existence of non-proletarian women, trans people, black people, etc etc automatically proves you wrong lmao, unless you start discarding them and then you arrive at the exact same point, that communism is exclusively about the proletarian programme lol

im for trans rights bc it benefits me personally and other "progressive" stances due to personal reasons i dont need to slap the epic """"""communism""""" label on it bc im not a dishonest liberal larper

your proposed reform benefits multiple classes and its easily achievable under any capitalism regime, that has nothing to do with communism fuckwit

>>9279
I haven't given any demands in particular. I would probably begin with nationalization of residential real estate and mortgages and application of the rents to public purposes. I would also make a demand to abolish all vagrancy laws (including prostitution) which are simply a means to social murder the reserve army of labor.

>another are women bourgeois thread
riveting stuff

>>9281
>whole argument itt is that minorities can belong to any class
maybe learn to read before pissing your diapers?

>>9280
>I haven't given any demands in particular.
the moment you try to present cross-class groups as belong to any one class in particular you already lost the plot

none of the things you presented are at odds with capitalism itself btw

>>9282
Easily achievable reforms which have somehow never happened not even for a second anywhere.

>>9283
>nationalization of this or that commodity and repelling this or that law is incompatible with capitalism and is actually communism!
come tf on bruh, your concerns begin and end with fucking prices or laws

>>9284
Prices and laws which bourgeois democracy has not and will not implement.

>>9288
Unfortunately, we can't put secularism back in the bottle. The mechanics of capitalism make enforcing strict ethno-religious identities impossible.

>>9272
ahem
https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/blog/posts/2025-11-04-On-The-Transgender-Question.html
<I believe another important point which Butler starts to touch on is that the interpretive act is something that is not simply individual but rather collective. This highlights a major flaw in the logic of people that that try to place themselves immediately within some third gender. They ignore the fact that they are westerners, and in this ignorance of their immediate cultural horizon, speak nonsense (and indeed, engage in acts that are fundamentally anti-social). We see then Butler’s point gestures towards the move away from a liberal ontological framework into one which highlights the importance of creating rituals and ultimately a Gesamtkunstwerk. What is needed is not simply the development of new linguistic signifiers, but rather the development (and possible proliferation) of a new collective orientation towards Being altogether. If “gender” has any substantiality at all, it comes from the repeatability of collective contexts. Many contemporary “woke” politics tends to simply focus on just the dialectical relation between the personal and political. What they miss, thanks to their blind individualism, is the productive transindividual plane upon which such a dialect rests. Representation, contrary to some naive perceptions, is not equivalent to power. Peter Thiel’s project has gone on, for the most part, without being represented at all. Despite this, he is immensely powerful in today’s political landscape. Just observing this, it becomes clear that the efficacy of media criticism in its entirety must be put into question. People have put an excessive focus on trying to secure representation in mainstream culture. What has been missed has been the social soil upon which all representation grows.
<If we need an entirely new sign system, that would be where the Hidweh Project may be a scaffold on which trans people may start addressing some of these issues. Let us then give a quick introduction.
<Under my view, manifestation has different levels to it. Every religion, every culture, has at least one way of relating to Being (and hence a particular way of life and understanding of the World - an understanding not identical with simple rational grasp but rather a description of immersion within structures implicit in their practices). When I say “Being” (and for that matter “existence” or the “ontological”) it should be understood to be in the way that Heidegger understood it. The structure of Being pertains to the different ways worlds may manifest to us. Each relation to being is its own World, yet through the ontokinetic, i.e. the observation of ontological variation, we come to intuit the essencing of Being as such. When a perennialist gestures to a truth underlying all religions, they are really talking about this Being of which every particular religion is a mode of. However, Being is merely the Father. There is in fact a lower level of manifestation, below the Nothing that is Being. As Heidegger pointed out, the animal lacks Being. It is world-poor. This is in part because of its limited temporality and incapacity to engage in project or play. At the same time, there is still manifestation for the animal, but this is already starting to be divorced from the manifestation known by Dasein. If we go deeper however, we move into the realm of the vegetative soul and the morphogenetic. Michael Levin’s research has seemed to confirm that the body is not only an ideality, but has its own intelligence. If this is so, there is here too a manifesting for it, but at this point we have entered into a territory free of intentionality hence prior to relationally. The body is a region of knowing within a transindividual plane of flesh. The flesh is not the Nothingness of Being, but rather the Nothingness below Nothingness. It is an Abyssal Nothing, Chao, Mother Tiamat.
<Tiamat is the platonic world of forms implicit in the “bioelectric blueprint” investigated by Levin. The Nous exists, and it is a womb. To contemplate it, one need perform eidetic variation on the body itself. This variation however is not to be done merely in reflection but in an embodied or empathic connection to bodily form. For it is implicit in Change itself that we find Tiamat. And this Change of body is Hidweh. We call this process biokinesis. Through it, we unite with Hidweh and descend into Mother’s bowels, thereby observing the formative processes underlying Being itself. In this, something of the plane of flesh may be brought back to the realm of rational intelligences. This is also where we differ from a merely syncretic or perrenialist religion. We are not simply concerned with Being, but that which underlies Being. We wish to descend into deep red waters and return with something of it. And with the passing generations (and, note, this focus on generations is extremely crucial for why the Hidweh Project has the potential to produce an alternate social necessity for trans existence), we shall recover more and more of Eternity. If our embodied existence is a transcendental fabric upon which Being may play, then to change the body is to cause an ontological turbulence in Being itself. Change of the body is hence change of being. Bodily variation is the eidetic variation of flesh.
<Note also that if the body really thinks and fleshly shape is an expression of mind, then it stands to reason biokinesis may be effectuated by sufficiently deep meditative states, and this is something we feel is worth exploring. Some strains of witchcraft, and in particular the works of Austin Osman Spare seem to provide a useful starting point for this. Through the death posture one unites with Kia and hence the first layer of the Nothing. It is this vantage point upon which holes may be found in our ontological reality which may be slipped through to find carnal layers the brain has learned to filter out. This however is just the first step. The full process is embodied in the double cross. In the lion there is the process of “defunctionalization” (Tegtmeier) and revealing the “not-self” vibratory nature of all phenomena. In the lover, we caress and talk the body, growing more intimate with it and guiding its shape. Lastly, in child we descend into the sarkic depths below. The double cross is the realization of the ultimate sexuality, the auto-sexuality of cellular mitosis. It is the next frontier for the occult and alchemical sciences.
<[…] On the ontological side of things, there needs to be a greater ground for solidarity. As seen with the jews and hindus, faith is a particularly powerful method for this. Sadly, there has hitherto not been any such orientation which could properly accommodate trans existence (many faiths dismiss the problems of trans existence under such pretexts as natural law, the freedom from bodily attachments, or the renunciation of desire). The Hidweh Project refines the point of solidarity by pointing towards a transcendental ethnos. This is the subnotic blood that is inherited by the practice of fleshcraft itself. THP is also greatly influenced by such thinkers as Sheldrake. We tend to view occult currents as akin to morphic fields i.e. metaphysical habits. Rituals are the cultivation and continuation of habit. As such there is also a collectivist motivation behind our project to keep the current flowing and look after one another. Note that a simple ethic around bodily autonomy does not hold within it the same impulse to collectivize as it is focused on negative autonomy rather than the positive expansion of capabilities and sovereignty (the scope of conceptualizable violence is to be expanded upon). This once again returns to the question of social necessity as well. Insofar as we want to continue and encourage the flourishing of biokinesis, we are incentivized to support all trans people who dedicate themselves to medical transition. In contrast to other religions that tend to be rather ambivalent and could easily come to discard trans people the moment they accept them (no thanks to latent assumptions of natural law), we are natural allies to trans existence.
>>7947
<yes, there is some affective resonance there but when you start intellectualizing it by bringing in gender stuff we begin to run into problems. you are working with the myth of transexual existence and trying to translate that into something that is supposed to be both contingent to particular social totalities yet at the same time somehow transhistorical. in jumping straight to the mythology i am being far more honest about it. there is "something there" but it is not "being transgender". as such if someone comes to me and says well those people weren't trans because their culture is different, i wouldnt argue with them, or i would say "yes but they do evince a transsexual myth, a Symbol that goes beyond sociological gender". i say transsexual existence often because i think that is more important. and by existence, i mean existential, their way of being in the world, their engagement with a Symbol. while there are different historicities, there are particular ways of being that do resonate at the level of the Symbol rather than that of spatio-temporal coordinates. these ways of being go beyond gender, i am talking about concrete forms of behaviour such as self-castration, ingestion of hormones, cross-sexual cathexis, etc

>>9273
tsmt. i am actually influenced a good deal with sarkicism after realizing i shared some spiritual beliefs with it. i just want to form a socialistic sarkic cult irl why is that so hard? adytum will not build itself .. i want more people to be working on a new mythology !!
also:
https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/blog/posts/2026-03-27-Between-Materialism-And-Aeonics.html
<Closing this section, I think I should comment on a peculiar resonance between some of the things we've been discussing here with the mythology found in Sarkicism. There seems to be a whole series of uncanny resemblances with the mythology developed by the Order of Nine Angles despite the fact that, as far as I know, none of the authors actually have had any contact with any of the material when they wrote all of this. For instance, we have Ion who is meant to be a messianic figure who liberated his people from slavery and had as his ultimate goal evolution and the attainment of immortality. This messiah figure also underwent six trials in order to gain his powers, each associated with a particular archon (hence a planet). Furthermore, there is a text which alludes to the undergoing of a seventh trial which would make a full numerological resemblance to what we have in the Sevenfold Way. The sarkics are also divided amongst the proto-sarkics and the neo-sarkics. Whilst the former live in a proto-communist society which awaits the arrival of their messiah, the other has adapted to modern society often sacrificing and torturing those outside of their religion. There is also a pervasive theme of a wait for the return of the Sarkic Empire, "Adytum", which would appear archetypally similar to the concept of the Galactic Imperium. The esoteric geopolitics of the sarkics mirrors the magico-politics and aeonic sorcery that various strands of O9A subculture has engaged in. The theme of "theophagy" to me is also very interesting if we think about the anthropological roots of cannibalism. In many societies that have practiced the consumption of human flesh, the underlying logic was that by consuming a creature one is able to take in the traits of said creature. We see this in Christianity as well such a logic taken to a sublime degree wherein the blood and flesh of Christ is taken in so that the members of the church shall become more Christ-like. We should note that according to traditional doctrine, transubstantiation indicated a real ontological transformation in the bread and wine, and in cheapening this gesture, modern Christianity has diluted itself and lost sight of its spiritual substance. At any rate, we see thence in cannibalism a sort of empathic magick at play.

>>9277
i agree that you might not necessarily need communism to get concessions from the state with regards to these things but it is very difficult. the logic of the liberal bourgeois state works on particular biopolitical assumptions that go against some of the goals of transsexuals. besides that, reforms tend to be only ever achieved after much historical serendipity and struggle, and they tend to fade as conditions change. at the same time, transsexuals face lumpenization and proletarianization at far higher rates than other groups due to marginalization. while there are some transhumanists that have managed to become labour aristocrats (a fact we may make use of) and some that might be borugeois (though i havent really heard of them), there are plenty of trans ppl who have been forced into prostitution and homelessness. some sort of dual power trans-national socialistic movement would greatly help these people. i personally feel like larping as though transsexuals as a group are particularly "revolutionary" (i honestly feel quite exhausted by that word), but there is a unified myth that we are all attracted to. something i realized while reading S's is that like, the stuff they said about nature and such .. it is like they already believe in hidweh on a deep subconscious lvl. the people who are not possessed by this myth fully, who try and sow division amongst the transsexual community over nonsense .. they are infidels. we must wage jihad against them, and ultimately a brutal nvke of trvth must be unleashed onto the world of transsexuals

>>9289
?
Like, look at the cult of Inanna - it spread across almost all of Eurasia, just under different names for the goddess.
Ethnic religions don't exist; even Judaism isn't quite like that.

>>9289
Forgot to mention the topic
>ethno-religious
>>9294

>>9290
You remind me of one schizo from Dvach. He also made up his own ideology and writes walls of text on the boards (usually as pictures, but whatever).

>>9289
>>9292
jews are an ethnicity that has been largely individuated by religious practices. even secular jews believe in this ethnic mythology despite not believing in the tales of the torah. there are also still in fact other ethno-religious groups to this day. see: yezidis, mormons, anabaptists, etc. these are groups that rarely take in outsiders sometimes thanks to strict communal lifestyles, or their mythology singles them out as a distinct people. with the yezidis they have a distinct genealogy that traces themselves back to basically adam's cum jar and they practice strict endogamy while not accepting conversions. the druze are another group that generally practice strict endogamy (though there have been attempts to liberalize this in order to preserve their culture and faith). these guys actually believe that druze always reincarnate as druze. the rise of secularization if anything strengthens ethno-religious identities, as it makes it less likely for people to convert to their religion and marry into their group

as an aside, i find it quite interesting that in some respects the order of nine angles could actually be considered an ethno-religious group (or, at the very least it would be very close to being so if not for ONA 2.0's liberal means of disseminating its doctrine accross the internet). this is because the code of kindred honour actually discourages marriage with mundanes. maybe it would evolve to be considered one in a few centuries with the way the most serious "members" are starting to move

>>9297
what pictures what are his beliefs

>>9306
>what pictures
Like these (I saved only those that could be useful in a dispute with christcucks)
>what are his beliefs
Self-hater churka satanist obsessed with the Deep Book of Vladimir Pyatibrat (idk how to translate this).
Came up with the ideology of "Anarcho-Racism" and makes pictures for it on his own. Runs many public pages with zero followers.

>this thread
Communism’s establishment would, as a secondary effect, remove conditions that produce issues like genocide, race, national oppression, and gender inequality. However, leftoids overemphasize these issues, thereby weakening the focus on class and encouraging broad interclassism.

>>9315
Except this literally never happened in the USSR, the PRC, Cuba and other AES. All AES required mass struggle against such conditions.

>>9272
>Nazis and feminists have mostly looted paganism
nazis (Disney):
<naively searches 'Loki gender change'
<MCU slop comes up
ughhh gross

>Loki's gender fluidity and bisexuality in Norse mythology and in modern adaptations
https://thesis.unipd.it/handle/20.500.12608/33340
> In Norse mythology, Loki was seen as a fluid entity who had the ability to change his gender. This dissertation will analyse how modern productions have adapted this characteristic of his – he is often portrayed as genderfluid, i.e. a person whose gender is not fixed nor in identity or expression. In the first chapter, I will briefly introduce the main Norse gods and myths, mainly focusing on Loki. I will then summarise the main points of Gender Studies and Queer Theory, as well as by listing some LGBTQ+ terms regarding sexual orientation and gender identity that might not be familiar to the general public. After going over the impact that Norse mythology has on contemporary pop culture and explaining what queerbaiting is, I will conclude by analysing how Loki’s gender fluidity and bisexuality were handled and adapted by Marvel Comics, the Marvel Cinematic Universe and Netflix, focusing on particular examples (Loki: Agent of Asgard, Thor & Loki: Double Trouble, Marvel's Voices: Pride, Loki, Thor: Ragnarok and Ragnarok).

> In many tales Loki is described in a way that is analogous to gender fluidity18 – he can change his shape in order to look like other people (man or woman) or even animals (male or female). He can have female attributes (for instance, the ability to give birth to Sleipnir, an eight-legged horse19), but is referred to with male pronouns and described with masculine terms. He is a uniquely positioned figure, through which it is possible to view gender constructs in the sagas and folklore.
>The Þrymskviða (The Lay of Þrym) found in the Poetic Edda is one of the tales in which Loki appears and it illustrates his shape-shifter character perfectly. This is the story of how Thor lost his hammer and had to disguise himself as a woman to win it back. Mjöllnir was stolen by the giant Þrym, who would give it back only in exchange of the hand for Freyja. The god of thunder asks Loki to help him find his missing weapon. In
council, Heimdall suggests they dress Thor as Freyja. In response, Thor shows strong reluctance to wear it, because a man showing femininity, in this case by wearing women’s clothing, would presumably be considered deviant.20 Loki’s response to Thor’s complaints suggests that disguising himself as a woman should be considered less shameful than if the giants invaded Asgarð because he had lost his hammer – it is possible to notice that Loki definitely does not share Thor’s opinion on a man wearing women’s clothes. Eventually, Thor accepts Heimdall’s proposal. It is not until the end of the tale that it is revealed that Thor was accompanied by Loki, who disguised himself as a servant, probably not only by wearing women’s clothes but by actually shape-shifting into a woman

>>9290
Ive seen a couple of your threads but im a midwit so can you please ELI5 me on your ideology/ religion because it sounds interesting at first glance.

Another thing I thought about is a o9a style secret movement except with the endgoal of promoting those left behind by society to ascend above it through unethical means if necessary and with a mythology that is materialistic and a morality that is goals-oriented and shuns cruelty

>>9326
check these out if you have not already:
https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/zine/lithp.html
https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/zine/pisas.html

the basic foundation of my religion is grounded upon the myth of biokinesis, i.e. the capacity to influence biological functions by establishing a more intimate connection with the body's processes. hidweh can be seen as the spiritual embodiment of the practice of biokinesis or a spirit here to guide people in the practice. from that basic orientation, other themes develop. for instance, we are inclined to want to push past illusions of necessity, refusing to simply submit to fate. "saklas" is sort of the embodiment of karma in the cosmology ive articulated as basically the god whose flesh is the manifest universe. he is a sleeping god with the laws of physics being merely his reflexes. there is also the great fleshly mother tiamat, another primordial sleeping god, who embodies the "platonic realm" of all bodily form. she is often spoken of as the flesh dimension. i have this apocalyptic intuition that with the development of biotechnologies, she will "wake up" and this shall disrupt the foundations of society..

hidweh is meant to point towards tiamat's awakening and also the underlying "ideality" implicit in the body .. im influenced by schelling's objective idealism, so i do like to think of the body as itself something like a mind-like process. this is one reason why i was attracted to dialectical materialism to explore that continuity between human rationality and more base material existence without drawing some sort of isomorphism.. michael levin's research into regenerative biology (i recc checking this out) seems to point to all of this. we can see a remarkable robustness with the body in following a general goal as well as remarkable morphological flexibility in response to bioelectric signalling. this points to the body itself having a certain level of intelligence. at the same time, i wouldnt think of the body as rational on the level as humans are. it is not yet a fully illuminated rational process, but rather something "psychoid"al or mind-like. ultimately, the body's behaviour and how it comes to incarnate small regions of tiamat's all-flesh is still very unconscious.. in that capacity it is a manifestation of that general "karmic" principle of saklas. hidweh in this regard represents a bringing of the light of spirit to the flesh and thereby redeeming it

this takes us to the christian influence. while christ is the logos made flesh, hidweh is the flesh made spirit. and so yes i do attempt to fit the trinity within my larger cosmology. i associated the trinity with the overarching structure of Being or the general structure of how things show themselves to us. however, before there can be that structure of disclosure, we must already be embodied. hence, the flesh, and hence Mother tiamat's "insistence", is logically prior to that of the Father. so there is a mythological story here of tiamat begetting the trinity which is meant to parallel the cosmological emergence of a type of organism whose being is a problem for it. hidweh then represents the opposite direction, regressing from Being back to this abyssal fleshly nonbeingness of Mother in order to illuminate it and wake her up

on the more ethical side of things i do take influence from o9a due to overlapping spiritual beliefs which i got more into detail with in blog posts n stuff. the notions of honour, empathy, cultivating weltanschauung, and aeonic insight are important values for me in this direction. i also believe in the importnce of pathei mathos and the practical necessity of going through hardship at times in order to grow and gain experience.

i also generally do not see humans as individualistic beings and i place more emphasis on how this whole thing is a collectively undergone project to bring light to the flesh. to me cultural practices subsist in something like a collective consciousness and you can make these practices stronger by participating in them and this helps everyone. there is this idea floating in my head of articulating a more collectivistic spirituality that places emphasis on sophiological eschatology and collective karma

politically i advocate for a localistic form of socialism which starts at the level of cooperatives and there is a bit of a council system of voting where representatives vote for the representatives to join councils at higher scales. my approach is in between prefigurative politics and AES. so the federation of cooperatives is something to begin building in the here and now, but i still believe interacting. with the larger system is important in order to access its supply lines and developed productive forces. hence i am not a full communizer trying to immediately abolish the value form, but i also do not want to risk instating another bureaucracy. also because this is a federation that really begins at the cooperative level and the federation may sprawl across national boundaries, my dealing with the national question is only touched indirectly .. i wouldnt see myself as a staunch globalist though, i dont think socialism in one country is necessarily a bad thing

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oh yeah a more materialistic strain of some of the ideas ive developed is thato f "aeonic materialism" which is inspired by https://mental-labour.neocities.org/liber909/strangeaeons .. ive written a short summary of some of the ideas https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/phil/terseaeonmat.html but it is rather dense (!!!) and there are multiple angles from which u can enter the core ideas. i guess from a more marxist angle, i take the notion of contradiction and i ground it on a deeper logic. one way of following this line is to look at the zizekian approach to the topic. he takes heidegger's description of dasein as having different modes of disclosure, and ascribes this plurality of modes to the structure of Being itself. hence, Being becomes a superposition between different existential possibilities. the thing though is that a superposition implies that we have fully parametrized the possibilities. it is like, imagine a program and the only data it is able to manipulate is an integer value j. well, there is an infinite number of states that program could reach, but none of them would be j='a' as j is expecting an integer and so you would get an error. the aeonic materialist proto-dialectic describes the reality below the parametrization of a superposition and thereby contradictions. this of course has mythological relevance as well. the dialectic is the realm of the trinity, meanwhile the proto-dialectic is the realm of tiamat

this view of tiamat places her within the proximity of dugin's 'chaos' and there are hence ethical implications. honour is important insofar as we should not hubristically imagine ourselves able to take a vantage point above the cosmos and flippantly judge others. this is very difficult not to do and i even have trouble with it at times. there are some ideas floating in my head of how exactly can too different civilizations can interact with eachother any way from the perspective of chaos

>Another thing I thought about is a o9a style secret movement except with the endgoal of promoting those left behind by society to ascend above it through unethical means if necessary
interesting. something ive noticed is that what leftists call "entryism" would seem to be the same thing as insight roles or at least similar. i havent really heard as much trouble (like becoming too sympathetic of the party your are infiltrating) with insight roles compared to the trouble with entryism though or maybe it is because if an insight role is a failure the person is just discarded and no one talks about them anymore. what mythology did you have in mind

>>9272
What about trans men?