/meta/ - Ruthless criticism of all that exists (in leftypol.org)

>>40432
Yeah, I was baiting you because you're not here to discuss whever making a new board is actually a good idea or not, you're here just to shit on it with babies first Marxism-Leninism and string people along with /pol/ tier arguments.

I'm very sorry I wasn't arguing in good faith.

My actual position is that Marxists have a duty to lead a democratic front of various minority social struggles because these minorities are not inherently communist. One day trans people might be mostly subsumed into capitalist society like gay people have. It's therefore the communist's work to try to direct the minority struggle against capitalism instead of wasting the revolutionary energy therein without erasing the minority identity. This is the idea of the mass line.

Marxist Leninists understand that things such as Nationalism need to be used rather than scorned. Why are gay people less worthy of representation than nations? I think its the opposite really. An LGBT board would not split people off from Communism but only bring more people in to it.

Posting links to the anarchist library and the kind of writers I buy books for my mum of is not an argument. This is just about your feelings. You feel like its wrong, you feel like it goes against culture or whatever. Chan culture is not sacred. And before you fucking say, I don't give a shit if that is an ad hominem or whatever the fuck, I know its true.

>>40448
Also I fucking hate it when people say anything like this is identity politics. Idpol is putting minority struggles above the class struggle. That's now what anyone is suggesting.

>>40278
Your argument is literally quoting homophobic fallacies from Stalin and Gorky telling to genocide homosexuals, you'd fit better on 4chan not here, fuck off, reactionary scum

>>40278
Since when hetero males would be a majority on an lgbt board? The entire point is to get away from the likes of you

>>40452
Nah, idpol for Stalin spammer is merely not thinking gays, lesbians and trans should be mass genocided for being "bourgeouis decadents" or something, I know the likes of this bastard and he's writing pointless walls of texte while uploading genocidal homophobic quotes from Stalin and Gorky. Clearly a reactionary piece of shit who only deserved to be turned into biomass

>>40278
>Being gay or trans or whatever is a sexuality, it's
Being trans is not a sexaulity

Queer folk HAVE been culturalized due to the creation of a shared identity, tastes and material conditions (hatred, ostracism and general oppression), your ill intented fallacy could also apply to Blacks claiming they're just a """race""" not a culture when clearly they have a distinct culture within the west in general much like queer folk

Again, your """arguments""" consist on delegitimizing queer and women struggles with meaningless and redudsnt appeal to morality and fallacies in your walls of text while uploading blatantly hateful quotes from Gorky and Stalin. Anyone with more than 2 braincells can see you're nothing but a crypto-fascism wrecker who the mods should've banned two weeks ago

>>40278
>Patriarchy hasn't existed in a while
Lol, lmfao even

Even from an hetero male standpoint being against an lgbt board is retarded because it would rid them of our presence in the mainboard and siberia

They'd finally be rid of the thing they hate the most (gays and trans)

But I guess expecting hetero men from using logic is too much

stop being idealistic here for a moment and ask yourselves this practical question: do you really imagine an /lgbt/ board having the pph to engage you? you, not hypothetical other people, you. if the answer is "no" then you're going to ignore it, you're either going to wind up with a dead board and a more cluttered top bar (fuck me that thing's getting full) or worse still, a worse board, a more cluttered top bar, and all attempts to make lgbt threads on /leftypol/ will fail because they'll be moved to /lgbt/ where they promptly die.

unless you've got a serious, actionable plan to bring in 50-100 of 4/lgbt/'s most brainwormed internet addicts to churn through discourse at record speeds, this is a terrible idea. not because a thriving /lgbt/ board would be undesirable, but because this one will not thrive. it will wither. this is not a problem unique to /lgbt/ as a concept, it is a problem universal among the alt boards. everyone wants a new toy, nobody wants to take responsibility when it turns out to be trash.

>>39862
Too bad nobody gives a fuck. Such a brilliant post, reminiscent of leftypol of early 2019 where we had more posters like you, and the sea of shit below you was more like a drip. This board is astroturfed, none of these people are Marxists

>>40517
It's a dogshit post, it slips into nonsensical faux theory-wanking (none of which even pretends to the inane claim that having an /lgbt/ board is, in and of itself, idpol. perhaps /games/ is also idpol for the utterly inane 'gamer' identity?) instead of dealing with the immediate practical issue for what is ultimately an entertainment imageboard: will the board further that purpose by stimulating interesting discussion? hell, will anybody use it?

it invites viewing the discussion in terms of whether or not this site is generally pro-LGBT in its political outlook, ironically increasing the chance such a board is added, rather than arguing on the more meaningful question of whether such a board would work or whether it would be another 1-post-per-month, <20-ips-per-day waste of top banner space.

>>40517
You aint a marxist. Go back to reddit

>>39862
It's just a vent and shitpost topic you dumb autist

>>40522
> /games/ is also idpol for the utterly inane 'gamer' identity?)
False equivalency muddying the water with bad faith.
>aux theory-wanking
<faux-theory is when you provide direct examples of communist theory and practice as well as the written works of actual socialists to back up how identity politics is inherently anti-socialist.
Ok radlib.
>instead of dealing with the immediate practical issue for what is ultimately an entertainment imageboard
<I-it's just entertainment bro
This is how 4chan went from a simple, if mildly edgy imageboard into the stormfront and MAGA colony that it is today. Same thing here except for liberasts instead.
>it invites viewing the discussion in terms of whether or not this site is generally pro-LGBT in its political outlook
No, it directly STATES this and it's an observable fact. /siberia/ is chockful of lgbtalphabetsoup threads and pretty much any criticism gets deleted on the main boards, honestly I'm surprised it's still up on /meta/
>rather than arguing on the more meaningful question of whether such a board would work
Because that argument has already been had several times, which was mentioned at the beginning of the post. The board is a terrible idea, regardless of how many literal fags are on this site, because it attracts the worst sort of scum, just like it does on reddit, facebook, 4chan and other places that added separate "gay boards/subreddits/communities"

Cope harder.

>>40484
>Even from an hetero male standpoint being against an lgbt board is retarded because it would rid them of our presence in the mainboard and siberia
No it wouldn't. You lot would just have a base-board from which to jump into other threads en masse.

>>40452
>That's now what anyone is suggesting.
That's exactly what's going to happen Sage and you know it you bad faith lib.

>>40458
>idpol for Stalin spammer is merely not thinking gays, lesbians and trans should be mass genocided for being "bourgeouis decadents"
<He wants to kill us all because he doesn't like our spammy shit!
LMAO, every fucking time someone calls your shit out consistently, you folks default to "Help, help we're being oppressed" regardless of circumstance. Stop being an overly-dramatic retard.

>>40459
>Being trans is not a sexaulity
I agree since sexaulity isn't a word

>>40459
>Queer folk HAVE been culturalized
Only in the West and that culture consists of liberalism and hyper-focusing on sex as an identity, proving my point. It's not even real culture since it's basically just American Hedonism but turned up to 11.
>a shared identity, tastes and material conditions
Nope. You literally argue this in your first sentence regarding trans not being a sexuality, furthermore the gay movement
If you really were all that unified then we wouldn't have Trans people bitching about lesbian TERFs and gay guys not wanting to have relations with them, we wouldn't have gays blatantly treating bisexuals are lesser because "they can't decide" or trans people harassing effeminate men and tomboy women by spamming "egg". Your entire "culture" is constantly infighting and is based entirely on "oppression olympics" the only time you lot are unified is when some liberal democrat stirs up a hysteria about X person or Y group "comin' for your gunz *cough* I mean your sex" You're about as much of a culture as being a republican is a culture; you're not, it's a loose identity-focused ideology centered around pity-parties and fucking, don't pretend.

Furthermore "queer folk" itself is a misnomer and that's made obvious by the fact that you lump everyone into the same category, it's such a meaningless term it's become an umbrella… which is what ideologues like yourselves want; the more random people under your shell, the more shit to be offended over, the more identarian nonsense you can spew out.
> trans is not a sexaulity
1) I was being broad with my statement because lgbt is a sexuality based grouping, don't be obtuse.
2) while we're on the subject let me point out that technically it's intrinsically linked to sexuality
3) If you're going to be petty about specific words then maybe I should point out that technically transexuality is a mental illness; gender dysphoria, wherein the brain is literally confused about itself, the affliction is similar to disassociative disorders as well.
>your ill intented fallacy could also apply to Blacks claiming they're just a """race""" not a culture when clearly they have a distinct culture within the west in general much like queer folk
<let me bait with "muh blacks"
Every fucking time. Get the fuck out with this shit. Your strawman of my argument doesn't apply to race because race relative to people is a fictional fucking concept, and furthermore, you're an absolute fucking moron who demonstrates your inherent lack of understanding of what "material conditions" are. Blacks are not a singular culture, you ill-informed baizuo. Each country in Africa has massively different cultures, and modern African-American culture is very different from it. Furthermore African-American culture is a result of Western cultural development impacting the descendants of those that were brought to the USA or came there themselves re-interpreting cultural aspects into something new, but the basis of it wasn't "we're BLACK". The basis of it was the socio-economic environment around them and the cultural history they had with them. Their skin-color had little impact on this directly and irrelevant, as seen with other 'races' that came to the USA and developed their own communities based on the above.

>consist on delegitimizing queer and women struggles
Ah now, it's queer AND women struggles? Hmmm. And no, I am not. Read a fucking book >>40280 . Women especially, I have the utmost respect for. Not for flailing twits pretending to be for women's rights because they're middle-class liberals with nothing better to do.

>meaningless and redudsnt appeal to morality
Nowhere did I use morality, you're just making shit up because you've defaulted to spitting out the same shit you say when you're "offended" by criticism
>fallacies
Nope.
>blatantly hateful quotes from Gorky and Stalin
Who were a hundred times the communist you could ever hope to be a fraction of.
>you're nothing but a crypto-fascism wrecke
Everyone I don't like is fash: a butthurt liberal's guide to the internet
>"""arguments"""
Ooooh look I put le quotations!
If you didn't prove yourself a redditor with your radlib rhetoric, then you proved it with this retarded burgershit. Go back

>>40456
>Your argument is literally quoting homophobic fallacies
Actually no. Homosexuality was pretty low among socialist groups, while it was a running joke that nazis were closeted and self-hating hypocritical fags, it even has caricatures from the time, pic rel.
>you'd fit better on 4chan not here, fuck off, reactionary scum
Nope, you'd just fit better on reddit.

>>40457
>Since when hetero males would be a majority on an lgbt board
Since this proposed board is on a larger imageboard and the members can give feedback on what gets made.

>>40552
You are wrong on more or less every point, which you've elegantly ordered by adopting the ugliest possible style of reply, line-by-line quipping. Have a numbered list in return.
1. Whether "identity politics" is fundamentally anti-socialist is of zero relevance to whether we have an /lgbt/ board. If this site is for nothing but self-serious TRUE Marxism, we should delete everything but /edu/. This is an entertainment website. Its purpose is to facilitate entertaining discussion.
2. 4chan does not adequately understood itself as an entertainment site. Both in terms of its own mythology (muh free speech site) and in the well-known fact that its current administration explicitly view it as a political tool (RapeApe is paid to ensure it's a right-wing shithole) and, surprise surprise, 4chan isn't entertaining!
3. An /lgbt/ board isn't terrible "because it would attract "the worst sort of scum"", it's terrible because it won't attract anybody. If you told me the entire populace of /r/transhumanists would jump ship to this place if only we'd give them a board, i'd endorse it wholeheartedly. Websites shape their userbases, not vice versa. (4chan's decline even verifies this thesis! Give me RapeApe's job and I'll give you a leftist site in 5 years.)

>>40563
>ur wrong
not an argument
>line by line quipping
That's called greentext and reply, pretty standard for imageboards; it's specific responses to specific sections of a post
>Whether "identity politics" is fundamentally anti-socialist is of zero relevance
Wrong; as an identity politics focused board is specifically the topic in question, as identity politics are anti-leftist they don't belong on this site any more than right-wing board does.
>4chan does not adequately understood itself as an entertainment site
Are you using google translate? And no shit 4chan isn't just entertainment anymore, given that the same shit youre suggesting is what led to it going from an edgy imageboard to a colony for liberals and stormfront exiles.
>its current administration explicitly view it as a political tool
Perhaps, but that's not how 4chan began nor was its original intent. leftypol on the other hand has ALWAYS been political as it's in the name; leftist politically incorrect.
This specification is why having rightwing or liberal boards is stupid here. There's a million other sites and boards for this on other places, this isn't it.
>it's terrible because it won't attract anybody.
Tell that to /siberia/ which is plagued with /lgbt/ threads full of toxic liberals that seemed to have been plucked straight from 4/lgbt/ and reddit. Culture War threads always get lots of clicks and posts by radical liberals and by retards that either take their bait, or want to bait them, it's a shit show.
>Websites shape their userbases
You're clearly quite young; 4chan wasn't hardcore political until stormfront took over /pol/ which is why 8ch got an uptick in users and why /leftypol/ was created there and why leftists don't post on /pol/ all that much anymore.
>f you told me the entire populace of /r/transhumanists would jump ship to this place if only we'd give them a board, i'd endorse it wholeheartedly
<I want to import liberal redditors
So you admit to being a liberal then. Just post on reddit and stop mucking about.

>>40560
>>40561
>>40564
>literally gigantic walls of pointless texts and pedantic fallacies that can be reduced to basically a homophobe laroucheite coping and seething over the possibility of """le gay board""""

There. Your shitty takes summarized

>>40565
The moment the hazcel above bitches about latam, games, anime or any other identity based board created is the day it will convince me it's not an homophobic cockroach

But considering the creature idolizes Stalin and Gorky I suppose not much effort needs to be done

>>40126
This is the most soy response I've ever gotten, I did not miss anything.
Especially the cultural thing, is there a problem of appreciating lgbt marxist history?

>>40484
This is why I don't like anfem poster and have such negative experiences with feminsits.
Instead of anti-homophobia bans or warnings, instead they see that the small amount of people who're homophobic being men, think all men want to be it, then go on from there.

Here let me apply it to you:
Hey female, stick to the AO3 child porn instead of posting here.

>>40576
Those images do nothing to support your claim. If anything, it only reinforces the rightist theory that marxism is inherently anti-LGBTQIAA+

It's time to make the board

4chan trans girls are fucking insane and need to be contained. I swear If I get called a fucking sneedhon or an agp passloid by one of them if they move over here I’m gonna kms.

>>40758
They're not that bad

>>39819
the lgbt board on libpol is doing numbers so honestly i support it

Wouldn't a humanities board be less idpol feeling while still being a place that you could talk about such things? I feel the issue with /siberia/ is it's a mix of shitposts and quality posts like it needs to be two boards for the different tones.

Creating an lgbtqi board now is recommended due to 4chan going down
Free traffic

>One guy keeps asking for an /lgbt/ board almost weekly
>Large portion of the userbase says its a bad idea
>Add another useless board destined to 3 posts a year like /akm/ and /labor/
>Immediately spammed by the sharty
thank you mods

>>41094 (me)
INB4
>Why are you so homo/trans/queerphobic reeee
I am trans
This should've just stayed as a general for fucks sake.

>>41095
>Why are you so homo/trans/queerphobic reeee
those people are subconsciously cucked by segregation and think its the best option at every avenue

>>41094
>Immediately spammed by the sharty

Idk who the spammers are but it is awkward that they only did it in the lgbt board in the very day it is opened

Whoever's shilling the board on 4chan, please stop. You're just gonna bring in all the shitty people from 4chan and concentrate the same exact cancer from 4/lgbt/ into Leftypol's /lgbt/

>>41097
the way the spamming started only after the board was added to the top bar and the references to nuleftypol make me think some obsessed .net 'jakker remnant, who saw it and organized a raid from their private discord server funnily enough .net added /lgbt/ 10 days ago

>>41100
They posted their board in one of the spam threads, its just some stupid soyjak.party thing. Honestly I don't know why anyone is suprised its getting spammed day one. They are children, they will get bored quickly once the novelty wears off and they see people aren't engaging with them.

I find out about /lgbt/ by coming here to see why cloudflare is on. Guess it did increase PPH.

>>39819
Honestly, would be great, especially in discussing socialist theory and how it intersects with lgbtq people/ activism

Would it be kosher for there to be a /chasergen/ on that board?

>>39838
>under a week
this was proven within a day even

>>41144
>>Leftypol is about reforming Nazis by educating them and bringing them to a socialist enviroment.
No. Literally no and whoever thinks this is a fucking moron and should be banned together with the Nazis.
>>We can tolerate incels because this is a better enviroment than where they would be elsewhere
Absolutely no. Incels are reactionary. They're poorly socialized and isolated. They have no basis on which to become socialists since they have no life experience engaging with the world, and instead have internalized an insane amount of bizarre market ideology regarding sexuality.

>>41144
>reforming Nazis
There is no guarantee that our idea of what nazis like is anywhere near accurate or convincing to them. Their problem with communism isn't that it's full of queers, but that it's communism. If you want to grift while pushing people left, emulate Hasan. Forget about ideological nerd battles

>>41144
>Leftypol is about reforming Nazis by educating them and bringing them to a socialist enviroment.
what are you talking about
>We can tolerate incels because this is a better enviroment than where they would be elsewhere.
what the hell are you talking about
>But we can't reform idiot liberals! They need to go back to /tttt/!
what the fuck are you talking about

>>41337
>LGBT mods should be shot. Yeah, cause they're mods. Not cause they're LGBT.
holy based

>>41144
>>Leftypol is about reforming Nazis
LOL

>>40566
>>40565
>reddit spacing
>everyone I don't like is a "hazcel"
>"muh Stalin!"
>gigantic walls of pointless texts
<I'm an illiterate fag so large posts are "text walls"
There was a time when reading was a requirement for /leftypol/. Clearly this is no longer true
>pedantic fallacies
You're just throwing around buzzwords without understanding what they mean. Pedantic fallacies is fairly oxymoronic, which you'd understand if you were literate.
>homophobe laroucheite
<citing marxist and communist literature and leaders on the topic of identity politics is now "larouchite" and "homophobic"
Unironically blow your brains out. No, not because you're a fag, but because you're an incurably liberal cunt.
>seething over the possibility of """le gay board""""
Yes, it's idpol cancer, it's always been idpol cancer, and looking at /overboard/ leftypol is now just liberal /b/, congratulations, you've won.

TL;DR: KYS KrasMazov

Feel free to actually read any time ignoramuses: >>40280