Last time I asked for this nobody seemed to care, but now there has been discussion about it in the thread. There is an appetite for it, so I think you should make one. I know at least one person who would come back to the site if there was a space like that. We could reach an entirely new audience like the kind of hexbear leftoids, leftypol has a bad reputation among a lot of socialists and a board like this would change that perception. I seriously think it would get more people to join the website then you think. But even if it doesn't the people here want it.
I don't have any IT skills so I can't really help and I think I'm too busy to moderate anything rn but I could at least make some threads at the start to liven the place up a bit. Advertise it on bluesky or lemmygrad or hexbear or however the reddit clone works and also maybe tumblr or something.
>>39819Doesn't everyone just use overboard already so adding more boards is pointless? Every board except leftypol and siberia is glacially slow.
I would rather not have 10 separate "im trans btw" threads clogging up the overboard catalog either.
So get to work, then make your formal applications for a board in
>>>/meta/Chop chop!
>>39860Before Mods decide to ban I decided to repost my response to this same lgbt nonsense from an earlier thread that I saved in archive.is
As a reminder "S" has posted about making an lgbt board at minimum 5 times now as a thread, you can find them in archive.is of meta catalog. At one point he even accused Mod Subject of being "queerphobic" (a laughable idea) and ignoring anything they said, even though subject stated very definitely why such a board is a bad idea and shouldn't be made. At this point I have to wonder if this isn't some psyop attempt to wreck leftypol by liberalizing it slowly.
However I digress; the fact of the matter is such a board is idpol - by default anti-socialist - and so does not belong here, let alone as a board. Retards that claim that leftypol is homophobic are lying liberals talking out of their ass; mods already OVERmoderate on idpol issues, so this claim of "homophobia" is hysterical.
Identity politics essentializes identity without regards to the material relations underpinning it. At best, it assimilates identities within the realm of discourse and media (not economic autonomy and security!); at worst it incites intra-class conflicts. As socialists, we fight for the free determination of all individuals and their full emancipation from oppressive power structures. The rights of individuals to liberty is inherent to this.
It is for this reason that identity struggles can only be considered as a particular manifestation of class struggle and only in context of a proletarian member of said identity. This is because identity politics as such are the neoliberal recuperation of particular class struggles at the expense of the whole class struggle, and hence counter-revolutionary. Being against identity politics does not mean that oppression based on personal characteristics does not exist, but rather that fighting for the emancipation of individual identities without a class character ultimately amounts to fighting for token individual emancipation whilst excluding others, rather than emancipating the group as a whole.
Instead, we advocate for the political organization of communities on the grounds of class analysis, class solidarity, to achieve political gains and protection now, with the ultimate goal of full emancipation of all the working class. Intersectionality, in the meantime is a liberal theory about systems of oppressions and how they overlap. For example, it's different being gay and black, than those things separately, which gets misconstrued as meaning solidarity between gays and blacks, when they're 2 separate aspects of identity.
Most idpol discourse is basically nationalism but replace nation with the identity group. That's why the intersectional thing works so well to divide people and why the CIA funded such groups and directed rhetoric (see Gloria Steinem). You get people thinking in terms of "only people like me" and then feed them as many differences as you can so they will cordon themselves off as much as possible.
TL;DR: Creating an /LGBT/ board is identity politics and directly contradicts socialism;
the history of all hitherto existing society is the history of CLASS struggleSee the following
>I am a woman and a human: a Marxist feminist critique of intersectionality theory - Eve Mitchell https://libcom.org/library/i-am-woman-human-marxist-feminist-critique-intersectionality-theory-eve-mitchell >It's A Class Struggle Goddammit! - Fred Hampton >Intersectionality: A Marxist Critique by Barbara Foley https://multiracialunity.org/2018/09/26/intersectionality-a-marxist-critique/ >Privilege politics is reformism http://libcom.org/library/privilege-politics-reformism >>39862>doesn't get how class is intricately related to the oppression of "races", women, and sexual minorities. ngmi
Read Marx.
>>40107Communism isn't concerned with "oppression" in the abstract, much less with identities, which are inherently interclassist. All the proletariat is immiserated, no need to make movements separate from this struggle that only end up adopting non-proletarian elements.
That said
>>39862 sounds like a larper and there's no reason not to have a queer board, though I'm still against it because it's only going to attract idiots from 4chan's /lgbt/ or faux edgy twitter circles.
>>40105 >>40107>"Die Geschichte aller bisherigen Gesellschaft ist die Geschichte von Klassenkämpfen."- Karl Marx – Friedrich Engels, Manifest der Kommunistischen Partei, I. Bourgeois und Proletarier
Literally the first line of the Communist Manifesto's first chapter
(You) need to read Marx.
>>40113>lynchings>Jim CrowHaven't been relevant in nearly a century, especially outside of the United States. You're being deliberately obtuse.
>Bigotry vague terminology that has lost all meaning, because anything gets labeled as bigotry nowdays.
>gendered domestic labor Retarded lack of historical materialism and again pretty much irrelevant in most of the world other than burger-town and even in the USA it's been a non-issue since before the 90s at minimum. Read Marx and study anthropology outside of your North American Bubble.
>queer homelessness Ah yes, it has to be queer, because other homeless people can get fucked right? homelessness has nothing to do with being queer, its socioeconomics, reading books is a prerequisite for leftypol. Finding housing isn't a matter of "muh anti-gay agendu!" there's roughly 3x the number of empty, unowned houses in the USA as there are of the entire homeless population.
TL;DR: You need to touch grass, you terminally online radlib.
>>40109>there's no reason not to have a queer board, <I'm still against it because it's only going to attract idiots from 4chan's /lgbt/ You already gave a reason of your own
>>40106 What literature of Gorky have you read? What do you even know of him? The quote is legitimate and it was published in Izvestiya for all people to read, the entire article discussed the concept of Socialist ethics compared to the capitalist and fascist socio-economic structures. Your ad hominum is reflexive lashing out, nothing more.
>>40112>e /music/ being merged with hobby, or permantly removed (hate the users there, and generally music fans).Fuck off.
>thread on trans survival filled with transphobic comments on /leftypol/Either you're trolling or being deliberately disingenuous.
>lets push more aesthetics and 'culture'! Literal identity politics, no different from intersectional beminism.
Hetero moids shouldn't have a say on the creation of a queer board
Also the "mud idpol" argument ia laughable considering there's literally a racial based board here
>>39860This scumbag is quoting a vile human being who literally preached for the genocide of gays btw, qhy is this aubhuman allowed to post here? If anything S is right and this board is fundamentally homophobic
>>40229Not that anon, and not a mod.
Son this board has an international audience and
>>>/latam/ is for Latin America, Brazil Mexico etc not hispanics as a race.
It took a lot of pushing, begging, pleading and politicking on my and others part to convince the site administration to create it.
You've made demands for one, but from my perspective it looks more like you want to complain about it not being created than actually work towards it.
>>40241I just told you it's for a language and geographic area.
It took arguing the
benefits for the site and the Communist movement to get it.
Hint hint.
>>40242So idpol is ok whenever is about nationality? Ok got it
No n*ggers, tr**ns and f*gs allowe to have any existance, ok got it
>>40244See you're doing it again.
What are the benefits to the site and the movement of /lgbt/ board?
Keep in mind it took pointing out a potential ready made audience due to social media outages in Latin America before the administration even considered it.
>>40230>objective facts are homophobic Ok liberal wokescold.
>>40229 The latam board isn't about latin identity specifically, it's a linguistic and cultural subsect by region, a region that has more proletarian potential than the First World. And again, that's an actual fullblown culture and identity. Being gay or trans or whatever is a sexuality, it's not a culture, only burgeroids think that and 4/lgbt/ is proof of it.
>>40228 >scumbag>vile human>g-genocideAd hominum. Read a book.
>aubhuman (wordfilter evading nazi rhetoric) >Hetero moids shouldn't have a say on the creation of a queer boardThat's not how a majority works sweetie, and your attitude is just further proof as to why this board is retarded.
>>40190>if you cant see how patriarchy, racism, and chauvinism generally act as particular methods of domination1) Patriarchy hasn't existed in a while you ninny, unless you mean some fundementalist third-world countries that aren't developed
2) Racism exists but it is not de jure, and certainly not as common as people claim, nor is it one sided, especially outside of your burgerland bubble
3) chauvinism is such a broad and meaningless term at this point that it's interchangeable with the similarly vague "bigot"
Furthermore emphasizing these specific METHODS (without any class character) as you yourself point out is divisive of the working class. Your average layman has NOTHING to do with the perpetuation of any of these things except in sofar as consuming necessities and existing within the system, which is why ethical consumption under capitalism is impossible. This is literally the /pol/ iphone argument inverted.
>you're either literally retarded, completely and utterly without connection to the world, or a wreckerUnironically no u.
You retards are all seething because you have no actual arguments based in actual socialist theory or practise. I not only provided a full argument, but I provided socialist sources from people in the female rights and black rights movements
Alright I'm tired of arguing here and clearly nobody here has a fucking brain in their head.
I'm posting the essentials of socialist thought regarding identity and going. Either read them and learn or continue to prove yourselves sniveling liberals pretending to be socialists and pretending to actually care about anyone's rights.
*** Power Anywhere Where There's People - Fred Hampton
*** The Panthers and the Patriots By Michael McCanne Edit
An article about the black Panthers work with the Young Patriots a group of SDS guys who reached out to white working class people in Appalachia and the Deep South
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https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/black-panthers-young-patriots-fred-hampton*** Footage of the Patriots and Panthers working together to build class consciousness
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https://youtu.be/RPTwDO0sh-E*** Fred Hampton's famous: "We're not going to fight capitalism with black capitalism we're going to fight it with socialism" speech
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https://youtu.be/fJSqZrVjDds*** Paul Robeson (Check out his Wikipage)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y-xfqP6FOE+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmFjjaFNHKo** Identity politics as such
*** Exiting the vampire castle - Mark Fisher
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https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/exiting-vampire-castle/*** Essentialism and the problem of identity politics - Lawrence Jarach
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https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/lawrence-jarach-essentialism-and-the-problem-of-identity-politics*** Against Identity Politics by Lupus Dragonowl
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https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/lupus-dragonowl-against-identity-politics*** White purity by Asad Heider Edit
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https://www.viewpointmag.com/2017/01/06/white-purity/*** Adolph Reed: Identity Politics Is Neoliberalism Edit
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https://bennorton.com/adolph-reed-identity-politics-is-neoliberalism/*** Identity Crisis by Salar Mohandesi Edit
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https://www.viewpointmag.com/2017/03/16/identity-crisis/ *** Michael Parenti
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https://youtu.be/n79kRP5RB2M+
https://youtu.be/ZkttzU86CFE ** Intersectionality
Intersectionality, in summary, is a left liberal theory about the system of oppressions and how they can overlap. For example, it's different being gay and black, than those things separately. It is sometimes misconstrued as meaning solidarity.
*** I am a woman and a human: a Marxist feminist critique of intersectionality theory - Eve Mitchell
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https://libcom.org/library/i-am-woman-human-marxist-feminist-critique-intersectionality-theory-eve-mitchell*** The Communist Case Against Intersectionality by sev_k
+ Intersectional “leftism” is not authentic leftism. It is a bourgeois ideology that must be rejected.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vnLzfRqPS8*** Class is More Intersectional than Intersectionality
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https://imperiumadinfinitum.wordpress.com/2016/11/11/class-is-more-intersectional-than-intersectionality/*** Marxism vs. Intersectionality by Jessica Cassell
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https://www.marxist.com/marxism-vs-intersectionality.htm*** Intersectionality: A Marxist Critique by Barbara Foley
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https://multiracialunity.org/2018/09/26/intersectionality-a-marxist-critique/** Privilege Politics
*** Privilege politics is reformism
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http://libcom.org/library/privilege-politics-reformism*** The poverty of privilege politics
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http://libcom.org/library/poverty-privilege-politics*** Behind the epidemic police killings in America: Class, poverty and race
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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/12/20/kil1-d20.html>>39862Excuse me but I go by she/her pronouns, please respect them.
As for the works you have cited in
>>40280, I am shocked by how bad your sources are. You are using Mark Fisher, Parenti, WSWS, youtube videos, anarchist articles etc.. This isn't scientific work. It is a very flimsy base to be standing on.
>>40379This isn't reddit, you are an anon. Your pronouns are non-existant. Fuck off.
>Parenti>implying he's bad >nitpicking sources >lecture is on youtube so it's not a source!Yeah you're just going mask off at this point. Unironically do us all a favor and take a long walk on a broken suspension bridge, glowie.
>This isn't scientific work<My rants about how gays are totally oppressed on this anonymous chinese nuke-cooking forum is scientific, but actual arguments and sources regarding socialist thought, practise and theory isn't!I'd ask if you're retarded, but frankly speaking, there's idiots that would take your nonsense at face value.
>>40278>wokescold>sweetie>seethingHey look, he said the thing! Man, you're so funny, how do you do it? Every time I look at a thread I can instantly tell which posts are yours because you're so fucking funny it makes me jizz myself!
>>40279>I find it hystericalI bet you do! Man, you know how to see the humor in everything. I can just see you right now, laughing your head off from how gosh dang funny you find this thread, maybe even wetting yourself a little! I'm jealous!
>>40379>Excuse me but I go by she/her pronouns, please respect them.Grrrrrrrrrrrr! This post makes me so it's just hilarious that I'm going to punch a hole in my monitor from laughter. Thank god we have people like
>>40390 to call you faggots out!
Fight the woke Mind virus with humor 😂! Dab on the haters dab dab on the haters!
>>40390>>40403Leftyxisters… i don't think you understand the significance of pronouns. They don't hold any inalienable truth, their only purpose beyond being a shorthand is reinforcing some preconceived notion of gender, that isn't useful to you in any personal sense
unless you take it as a cue for when to be misogynistic. By going against her wish to use simple she/her pronouns, you're just being petty, like those people who would provoke someone in school by only using their full name or an entirely different name, while also doing conservacuck virtue signaling.
>>40390Parenti isn't a communist. He's just a left social democrat. Just read his work, he doesn't actually defend Communism itself and he only defends the soviet union in the 'it had to be bad' kind of way rather than actually supporting it. He is indicitive of the infantile stain of left social democrats with anti-imperialist and marxist-leninist paint.
By the way, what are your pronouns? Should I call you they/them or it/its, or anon/anons? Sorry, your xenopronouns of non existant pronouns seem quite difficult to use but I'll try my best!
>>40403>>40417So ad hominum, strawman fallacy, projection and liberal handwringing about irrellevant or nonexistant nonsense. Not an argument in sight.
Read a book for once and touch grass.
>>40423>pARENTI ISN'T A COMMUNISTAh yes, a liberal calling someone else a non-communist
I have read his work, I have all of them on my hard-drive.
>he only defends the soviet union in the 'it had to be bad' kind of way rather than actually supporting it Actually you're fundamentally incorrect, What you are referring to are the issues people claim about the USSR that have some grain of truth but have socioeconomic context or are actually non-issues compared to the Capitalist system's problems. Furthermore the videos you clearly didn't watch also go into communist.
The only infantile one here is you and your obsession with spreading idpol. Go back.
>By the way, what are your pronouns? your xenopronouns of non existant pronouns seem quite difficult to useDon't be a retard.
>>40424Posting a laundry list of bad arguments isn't a real counterargument if you don't even put in a iota of effort concerning how they apply.
>>40425I haven't read any parenti aside from inventing reality, so i will just weigh in on the
>Don't be a retard.You do understand your appeal to common sense is tied to the same consensus that gave us capitalist realism, right? In real life people will assume pronouns based on appearance, as opposed to sex, and how they would deal with gender-nonconforming looking people depends on culture war stuff (the neutral position would be using they/them or asking them). You might feel annoyed at people announcing their pronouns, yet how does refering to someone as they wish to be impact you, except for not being able to presumably make them sad? I'd like you to explain why this act of civility is bad somehow.
>>40424>So ad hominum, strawman fallacy, projection and liberal handwringing about irrellevant or nonexistant nonsense.Oh no, you get me wrong, I'm on your side! All of these logical fallacies are going to make me scream, they're just so funny.
>and touch grass.Man, you are soo funny! How do you do it?
>>40426>Posting a laundry list of bad arguments isn't a real counterargument Because there is no argument to counter, just bad tiktokesque sarcasm and blatant dismissal.
>you don't even put in a iota of effort concerning how they apply There are no given arguments, only loose fallacies, I returned the favor.
>In real life people will assume pronouns based on appearance Yes.
S is just being disingenuous, in a thinly veiled manner, it's not civility, just lame bait.
Also this isn't a face to face discussion, this is an anonymous online discussion. S could be a big black guy or some Chinese kid or a crackwhore from LA, anyone on this site could be such, the point is that, until we post proofs as to who we are (which defeats the purpose of anonymous discussion) announcing pronouns outside of an RP thread is stupid.
>>40430 Pic rel
>>40432Yeah, I was baiting you because you're not here to discuss whever making a new board is actually a good idea or not, you're here just to shit on it with babies first Marxism-Leninism and string people along with /pol/ tier arguments.
I'm very sorry I wasn't arguing in good faith.
My actual position is that Marxists have a duty to lead a democratic front of various minority social struggles because these minorities are not inherently communist. One day trans people might be mostly subsumed into capitalist society like gay people have. It's therefore the communist's work to try to direct the minority struggle against capitalism instead of wasting the revolutionary energy therein without erasing the minority identity. This is the idea of the mass line.
Marxist Leninists understand that things such as Nationalism need to be used rather than scorned. Why are gay people less worthy of representation than nations? I think its the opposite really. An LGBT board would not split people off from Communism but only bring more people in to it.
Posting links to the anarchist library and the kind of writers I buy books for my mum of is not an argument. This is just about your feelings. You feel like its wrong, you feel like it goes against culture or whatever. Chan culture is not sacred. And before you fucking say, I don't give a shit if that is an ad hominem or whatever the fuck, I know its true.
>>40278>Being gay or trans or whatever is a sexuality, it's Being trans is not a sexaulity
Queer folk HAVE been culturalized due to the creation of a shared identity, tastes and material conditions (hatred, ostracism and general oppression), your ill intented fallacy could also apply to Blacks claiming they're just a """race""" not a culture when clearly they have a distinct culture within the west in general much like queer folk
Again, your """arguments""" consist on delegitimizing queer and women struggles with meaningless and redudsnt appeal to morality and fallacies in your walls of text while uploading blatantly hateful quotes from Gorky and Stalin. Anyone with more than 2 braincells can see you're nothing but a crypto-fascism wrecker who the mods should've banned two weeks ago
stop being idealistic here for a moment and ask yourselves this practical question: do you really imagine an /lgbt/ board having the pph to engage you? you, not hypothetical other people, you. if the answer is "no" then you're going to ignore it, you're either going to wind up with a dead board and a more cluttered top bar (fuck me that thing's getting full) or worse still, a worse board, a more cluttered top bar, and all attempts to make lgbt threads on /leftypol/ will fail because they'll be moved to /lgbt/ where they promptly die.
unless you've got a serious, actionable plan to bring in 50-100 of 4/lgbt/'s most brainwormed internet addicts to churn through discourse at record speeds, this is a terrible idea. not because a thriving /lgbt/ board would be undesirable, but because this one will not thrive. it will wither. this is not a problem unique to /lgbt/ as a concept, it is a problem universal among the alt boards. everyone wants a new toy, nobody wants to take responsibility when it turns out to be trash.
>>40517It's a dogshit post, it slips into nonsensical faux theory-wanking (none of which even pretends to the inane claim that having an /lgbt/ board is,
in and of itself, idpol. perhaps /games/ is also idpol for the utterly inane 'gamer' identity?) instead of dealing with the immediate practical issue for what is ultimately an entertainment imageboard:
will the board further that purpose by stimulating interesting discussion? hell,
will anybody use it?it invites viewing the discussion in terms of whether or not this site is generally pro-LGBT in its political outlook, ironically increasing the chance such a board is added, rather than arguing on the more meaningful question of whether such a board would work or whether it would be another 1-post-per-month, <20-ips-per-day waste of top banner space.
>>40522> /games/ is also idpol for the utterly inane 'gamer' identity?) False equivalency muddying the water with bad faith.
>aux theory-wanking <faux-theory is when you provide direct examples of communist theory and practice as well as the written works of actual socialists to back up how identity politics is inherently anti-socialist. Ok radlib.
>instead of dealing with the immediate practical issue for what is ultimately an entertainment imageboard<I-it's just entertainment broThis is how 4chan went from a simple, if mildly edgy imageboard into the stormfront and MAGA colony that it is today. Same thing here except for liberasts instead.
>it invites viewing the discussion in terms of whether or not this site is generally pro-LGBT in its political outlook No, it directly STATES this and it's an observable fact. /siberia/ is chockful of lgbtalphabetsoup threads and pretty much any criticism gets deleted on the main boards, honestly I'm surprised it's still up on /meta/
>rather than arguing on the more meaningful question of whether such a board would work Because that argument has already been had several times, which was mentioned at the beginning of the post. The board is a terrible idea, regardless of how many literal fags are on this site, because it attracts the worst sort of scum, just like it does on reddit, facebook, 4chan and other places that added separate "gay boards/subreddits/communities"
Cope harder.
>>40459>Queer folk HAVE been culturalized Only in the West and that culture consists of liberalism and hyper-focusing on sex as an identity, proving my point. It's not even real culture since it's basically just American Hedonism but turned up to 11.
>a shared identity, tastes and material conditions Nope. You literally argue this in your first sentence regarding trans not being a sexuality, furthermore the gay movement
If you really were all that unified then we wouldn't have Trans people bitching about lesbian TERFs and gay guys not wanting to have relations with them, we wouldn't have gays blatantly treating bisexuals are lesser because "they can't decide" or trans people harassing effeminate men and tomboy women by spamming "egg". Your entire "culture" is constantly infighting and is based entirely on "oppression olympics" the only time you lot are unified is when some liberal democrat stirs up a hysteria about X person or Y group "comin' for your gunz *cough* I mean your sex" You're about as much of a culture as being a republican is a culture; you're not, it's a loose identity-focused ideology centered around pity-parties and fucking, don't pretend.
Furthermore "queer folk" itself is a misnomer and that's made obvious by the fact that you lump everyone into the same category, it's such a meaningless term it's become an umbrella… which is what ideologues like yourselves want; the more random people under your shell, the more shit to be offended over, the more identarian nonsense you can spew out.
> trans is not a sexaulity1) I was being broad with my statement because lgbt is a sexuality based grouping, don't be obtuse.
2) while we're on the subject let me point out that technically it's intrinsically linked to sexuality
3) If you're going to be petty about specific words then maybe I should point out that technically transexuality is a mental illness; gender dysphoria, wherein the brain is literally confused about itself, the affliction is similar to disassociative disorders as well.
>your ill intented fallacy could also apply to Blacks claiming they're just a """race""" not a culture when clearly they have a distinct culture within the west in general much like queer folk <let me bait with "muh blacks" Every fucking time. Get the fuck out with this shit. Your strawman of my argument doesn't apply to race because race relative to people is a fictional fucking concept, and furthermore, you're an absolute fucking moron who demonstrates your inherent lack of understanding of what "material conditions" are. Blacks are not a singular culture, you ill-informed baizuo. Each country in Africa has massively different cultures, and modern African-American culture is very different from it. Furthermore African-American culture is a result of Western cultural development impacting the descendants of those that were brought to the USA or came there themselves re-interpreting cultural aspects into something new, but the basis of it wasn't "we're BLACK". The basis of it was the socio-economic environment around them and the cultural history they had with them. Their skin-color had little impact on this directly and irrelevant, as seen with other 'races' that came to the USA and developed their own communities based on the above.
>consist on delegitimizing queer and women struggles Ah now, it's queer AND women struggles? Hmmm. And no, I am not. Read a fucking book
>>40280 . Women especially, I have the utmost respect for. Not for flailing twits pretending to be for women's rights because they're middle-class liberals with nothing better to do.
>meaningless and redudsnt appeal to morality Nowhere did I use morality, you're just making shit up because you've defaulted to spitting out the same shit you say when you're "offended" by criticism
>fallaciesNope.
>blatantly hateful quotes from Gorky and StalinWho were a hundred times the communist you could ever hope to be a fraction of.
>you're nothing but a crypto-fascism wrecke Everyone I don't like is fash: a butthurt liberal's guide to the internet
>"""arguments""" Ooooh look I put le quotations!
If you didn't prove yourself a redditor with your radlib rhetoric, then you proved it with this retarded burgershit. Go back
>>40456>Your argument is literally quoting homophobic fallaciesActually no. Homosexuality was pretty low among socialist groups, while it was a running joke that nazis were closeted and self-hating hypocritical fags, it even has caricatures from the time, pic rel.
>you'd fit better on 4chan not here, fuck off, reactionary scum Nope, you'd just fit better on reddit.
>>40457>Since when hetero males would be a majority on an lgbt board Since this proposed board is on a larger imageboard and the members can give feedback on what gets made.
>>40552You are wrong on more or less every point, which you've elegantly ordered by adopting the ugliest possible style of reply, line-by-line quipping. Have a numbered list in return.
1. Whether "identity politics" is fundamentally anti-socialist is of zero relevance to whether we have an /lgbt/ board. If this site is for nothing but self-serious TRUE Marxism, we should delete everything but /edu/. This is an entertainment website. Its purpose is to facilitate entertaining discussion.
2. 4chan
does not adequately understood itself as an entertainment site. Both in terms of its own mythology (muh free speech site) and in the well-known fact that its current administration explicitly view it as a political tool (RapeApe is paid to ensure it's a right-wing shithole) and, surprise surprise,
4chan isn't entertaining! 3. An /lgbt/ board isn't terrible "because it would attract "the worst sort of scum"", it's terrible because
it won't attract anybody. If you told me the entire populace of /r/transhumanists would jump ship to this place if only we'd give them a board, i'd endorse it wholeheartedly. Websites shape their userbases, not vice versa. (4chan's decline even verifies this thesis! Give me RapeApe's job and I'll give you a leftist site in 5 years.)
>>40563>ur wrong not an argument
>line by line quippingThat's called greentext and reply, pretty standard for imageboards; it's specific responses to specific sections of a post
>Whether "identity politics" is fundamentally anti-socialist is of zero relevanceWrong; as an identity politics focused board is specifically the topic in question, as identity politics are anti-leftist they don't belong on this site any more than right-wing board does.
>4chan does not adequately understood itself as an entertainment site Are you using google translate? And no shit 4chan isn't just entertainment anymore, given that the same shit youre suggesting is what led to it going from an edgy imageboard to a colony for liberals and stormfront exiles.
>its current administration explicitly view it as a political tool Perhaps, but that's not how 4chan began nor was its original intent. leftypol on the other hand has ALWAYS been political as it's in the name; leftist politically incorrect.
This specification is why having rightwing or liberal boards is stupid here. There's a million other sites and boards for this on other places, this isn't it.
>it's terrible because it won't attract anybody. Tell that to /siberia/ which is plagued with /lgbt/ threads full of toxic liberals that seemed to have been plucked straight from 4/lgbt/ and reddit. Culture War threads always get lots of clicks and posts by radical liberals and by retards that either take their bait, or want to bait them, it's a shit show.
>Websites shape their userbases You're clearly quite young; 4chan wasn't hardcore political until stormfront took over /pol/ which is why 8ch got an uptick in users and why /leftypol/ was created there and why leftists don't post on /pol/ all that much anymore.
>f you told me the entire populace of /r/transhumanists would jump ship to this place if only we'd give them a board, i'd endorse it wholeheartedly <I want to import liberal redditorsSo you admit to being a liberal then. Just post on reddit and stop mucking about.
>>40565The moment the hazcel above bitches about latam, games, anime or any other identity based board created is the day it will convince me it's not an homophobic cockroach
But considering the creature idolizes Stalin and Gorky I suppose not much effort needs to be done
>>40126This is the most soy response I've ever gotten, I did not miss anything.
Especially the cultural thing, is there a problem of appreciating lgbt marxist history?
>>40484This is why I don't like anfem poster and have such negative experiences with feminsits.
Instead of anti-homophobia bans or warnings, instead they see that the small amount of people who're homophobic being men, think all men want to be it, then go on from there.
Here let me apply it to you:
Hey female, stick to the AO3 child porn instead of posting here.
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